April 27, 2025 • 46 mins
Grief isn't just about death—it's about lost dreams, identities & versions of ourselves we thought we'd become. In this raw and profound conversation, Hope Rose ( 5/1 Manifesting Generator) shares her harrowing journey through domestic violence, family court battles, and having her son "trafficked" through a broken legal system.
Hope Rose opens up about how grief manifests physically—losing her appetite, hair falling out & struggling with digestion—revealing the often-overlooked connection between our emotional processing and physical health. "In order to process grief properly," she explains, "we need to be able to physically digest our experiences, not just emotionally."
The conversation moves beyond personal trauma to examine how the coaching industry sometimes creates harmful expectations around healing. We explore the danger of formulaic approaches that promise transformation without acknowledging individual journeys and timelines. Hope beautifully articulates the concept of "stages of alchemy"—those small moments of light that happen long before dramatic breakthroughs—and why it's essential to honor these incremental shifts rather than fixating on end results.
Most powerfully, Hope challenges the notion that we must immediately transform our pain into something productive or profitable. Sometimes the most healing thing we can do is simply be present with ourselves exactly where we are, allowing our grief the space it needs without rushing to reframe it or find a silver lining.
Whether you're processing trauma, navigating loss, or supporting someone who is, this episode offers a refreshingly honest look at what healing actually entails—not the Instagram highlight reel, but the messy, nonlinear journey of uncovering the masterpiece that already exists within you.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hello, welcome back to the podcast Journey to Well.
So today I am joined with HopeRose from, founder of the Hope
Rose movement, an ultraendurance athlete passionate
about health, healing and hopefor humanity.
Hope, thank you so much forcoming on.
It's really good to have you.
(00:23):
I feel like we're going to havea really good conversation.
One of the things that we weretalking about before we hit
record was grief and talkingabout those deep emotions that a
lot of us run away from andcertainly don't talk about
publicly.
So I'm excited to get therewith you.
She's also a 5-1, I don't wantto forget this 5.1 manifesting
(00:47):
generator, so we'll talk alittle bit about human design
throughout or at the end of thepodcast, but thank you so much
for coming on and I'm going tolet you introduce yourself.
Who is Hope?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Rose.
Thank you, hannah, it is apleasure to be here.
Hope Rose is a name Source gaveto me about three years ago, at
this point of the recording,and you know, source God,
whatever you want to call it andit was such a divine experience
that I just, you know, embodiedit and kind of, you know,
channeling as Hope Rose and Ihad gone through some very
(01:21):
trying, deep circumstances, likeliterally weeks after Source
gave me Hope Rose.
And to not make this podcasthours long, the brief 411
version is I was involved in adomestic violence relationship,
had a little baby who turnedinto a little boy and went
(01:42):
through the whole, you know,court process.
There was no marriage in thisparticular story, just custody,
and when you are dealing with anabusive individual, it is just
a very trying time.
And so he, you know, attemptedto take out a life insurance
policy on me and my baby nothingon him when I was a month
(02:04):
postpartum.
So that will give you some ideaof what I was, what I was
dealing with.
On that, several other closeattempted um, death, death times
.
I will.
I will say to that eventually,at seven months old, um, my son
was seven months old, he walkedout on us, changed the locks in
our house, closed our jointchecking account, took the car
(02:26):
away and, like, literally leftme with barely a penny and a
newborn in the middle of winterand it was a really horrific
time and then took me to courtfor custody and child support
Fast forward four years later.
What most people are not awareof is that our court system is
not.
It's a.
It's not a judicial system, itis simply a system and it's a
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trafficking system.
And he had a lot of money andbackdoors and money and
attorneys, and I did not, and Iwas a mama bear fighting for,
fighting really to protect meand my son and ultimately my
little boy, who had lived withme his entire life, at four
years old, was literally rippedout of my arms at gunpoint and
he was trafficked.
And when I say traffic, I usethat word very deliberately,
(03:11):
because that is exactly whathappened in.
It's happening all day long,every every day in our country
and people are not realizingwhat is happening, and so that's
part of like the Hope Rosemovement is to shed light on
that.
And I did not know where my sonwas.
I still don't know exactlywhere he is, but we had zero
(03:32):
contact for almost three years,and so this is why grief is
definitely a topic I know a lotabout.
And then subsequently, I wasarrested and jailed for what
they call custodial interference.
Again, it's the made up lawcode for really protective
parents, for just being, forbeing a parent.
(03:53):
And there was just a caseyesterday, or over the last
couple of days, a month, a monthold baby was ripped out of her
mother's arms due to anotherjust you know angry ex spouse.
So this is happening all thetime and you're listening to my
(04:13):
story and it's you know, it'shappening to me, and so you know
, the more that I share my storyand be on podcast, I think
people will be like, oh, this is, this is real.
It's not just, you know,children not just being
trafficked across Mexico border,this is happening in America.
So that is kind of the recentjourney I have been on, and
(04:34):
through my healing process ofall of this, I was really
wondering, like, how do I useHope Rose?
And a really good friend saidit's a brand, it's a movement.
I was like, oh my gosh, you'reso right.
So it's the Hope Rose movement.
Of course, it's a metaphorrising from the ashes and it
just has such a deep meaningthat I'm kind of like the
lighthouse for people who aregoing through dark situations,
(04:57):
whether it's really deep trauma,like I've been through, or more
subtle trauma, whether it'slike a relationship or a job
ending like.
All of these things still havebig, big impact, and not to
downplay one person's traumafrom from another's.
But, um, really hope rose is togive light in the darkness when
you're going through.
(05:17):
You know health issues or youknow trouble with your children.
Parenting life is difficult.
You know life throws us a lotof different lessons and so Hope
Rose is there to kind of, youknow, as a metaphor, but also as
a tangible reminder that youcan come through the darkness.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
And don't we all need that reminder?
I love that you pointed outlike trauma is trauma.
We all experience trauma.
I think that's something reallyimportant to know, and we
always think of your situations,which is huge, and I can't even
imagine going through anythinglike that.
And that's really what we dothink about when we think of
(06:01):
trauma is like these big, whatwe call big T trauma right, big
T trauma situations.
But there's also little Ttraumas that we go through and
we still need that lighthouse.
We still need that rising fromthe ashes reminder and the
reminders that we need toprocess our grief, that we need
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to find our people, our tribe,our community that maybe has
gone through something similar,or something that you can
resonate with and feel safeenough to hold yourself and be
held in this healing journey.
Because it is a journey, isn'tit?
(06:45):
Like we were talking about?
Like there you've gone througha lot, as as have I, a lot of
different.
It's not just processing ouremotions, it's what are we
eating, how are we sleeping, howis our stress level Right, like
all of these things that umplay into healing, play into
(07:06):
into into alchemizing, really.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Yeah, that's so beautiful and I think you know
grief.
Grief is not just like you know, the grief of like a death or
losing a loved one, you knowit's.
It's divorce.
If you're like on the spiritualpath which I think probably you
know most listeners are, it isdeath of the life you thought
you were going to have andgrieving that, grieving the
(07:32):
person you were when you madechoices that you were
unconscious to, grieving thataspect.
And so grief is more, it's morelayered than just surface level
of like oh you know, a familymember died, a friend died,
absolutely that, oh, you know, afamily member died, a friend
died, absolutely that's their.
You know, that's grief.
I feel like I need to createlike the um, like a wheel of
(07:52):
grief, and people can be like oh, I identify with that grief
because grief is just not, it'snot singular, it's plural.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
And so there's all different kinds, and so I've
even, you know, through, like mypersonal spiritual
transformation, the grief has,like sure, I mean it's it's
coupled with, you know, like theloss of, you know, my child,
and it's also coupled with goingthrough this tremendous, you
know, dark years of the soul.
It's not days of, it's not anight, it is definitely years.
(08:23):
At this point, and yeah, it's,you know, grieving the versions
of you that you thought you were, and it's like, oh, I am, so,
not that, I am this and likegrieving that.
And so, in order you know, wewere talking about this off air
as well in order to and I amjust learning this recently Like
I've really been strugglingwith grief, like I've had health
(08:43):
symptoms like losing my hair,um, and not being able to digest
food.
I don't have an appetite, like Ijust literally I could go days
without eating.
I really do not want to eat.
So like I had to like forcemyself to eat.
But then I was reading on, likeyou don't want to force
yourself to eat Cause then youget, you know, get bad habits,
and I'm like, oh my God.
(09:04):
And so I've been working with anAyurvedic practitioner and she
was like we need to get yourdigestion right so you can
actually process grief, and Ijust want to share that with the
listeners.
I think that was so helpful forme of like and even to process
any type of grief, whether it'scapital G grief or a little
grief or whatever it is.
(09:24):
We have to be able tophysically digest our food and
have that appetite.
And so that is something I'mpersonally working on and that's
a really in step.
That's a really important stepin grieving like um, properly, I
guess is the word that's comingto mind but really grieving
like holistically, like mind,body, spirit, because you know,
(09:46):
if we're just crying all thetime and our body is not able to
actually release and processthat grief, is just going to
keep coming back over and overagain and it's just going to
like compound.
So really important to have areally good digestive system so
you can actually, like you know,process the grief and then be
able to go on with your life.
You don't have to, you know, becrying all day, every day, or,
(10:07):
you know, whatever the griefsymptoms you know show up for
you.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Yeah, grief is such an interesting thing to
experience, if we can call itinteresting and talk about,
because we have all of thesethoughts about grief, right Like
you've already kind of debunkeda few of them is we really can.
Only I'm putting that in quoteswe can only grieve people that
(10:33):
have died, which is not true.
We can only grieve someone else, not true?
We can grieve these pastversions of ourselves or past,
or what we thought that our lifewas going to be or how we
thought our life was going tolook, and we can only grieve,
again, in quotes, for a certainamount of time, right, like we
(10:56):
always think it's been a month.
I actually talked to clientsabout this and they're like it's
, you know, it's been like 10years or five years and I still
feel these waves of grief comeover me and we think that
something is wrong with usbecause we're told societally
(11:17):
that you know, you have, like atbest, a year to grieve someone
that died, not even yourself.
Um, and then another thing thatyou're bringing up too is how
are we grieving?
It's not.
We have to allow ourselves tofeel the emotion, but one thing
that you're bringing up that'sinteresting is it's not just
(11:40):
feeling the emotion.
It's not just crying, it's alsohow am I digesting food, but
also then how that thatindicates how I'm digesting this
grief.
And like I guess digestinganother synonym would be
processing Like how am Iactually processing and allowing
the grief to be moved through,rather than I'm just going to
(12:08):
allow myself to cry about itwhich I'm not saying is not what
we do, because we do need to beable to cry about it.
Or however you process grief,sometimes anger is grief for
people.
Sometimes we start there andthen move down to sadness.
But all of these I call themdense emotions, but like anger,
frustration, sadness, maybe likeyelling or crying, like these
(12:34):
are ways that those emotionsmight be expressed.
But how are we then processingthrough that?
And I think that you can alsoalmost reverse engineer of like
I'm having a lot of digestiveissues, or I have this diagnosis
right, of like SIBO or what'sthe other one, all of the
(12:58):
digestive issues that we have,is there something, some emotion
that I'm not moving through?
Or I mean I?
You probably know more aboutAyurveda than I do.
My mom is very into Ayurveda, Ihave explored the doshas, but
for listeners, I don't know thatI've ever talked about Ayurveda
(13:19):
.
So tell us what that is.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
And then also, I'd love to hear your experience and
your takeaways there, yeah, soI I'm not an expert in Ayurvedic
um modalities I probably willbe eventually, cause I just love
that stuff Um, I will say theword that comes to mind is
metabolizing our grief, Like,how can we like metabolize and I
(13:42):
guess that's what I mean, likeby digesting?
Like you know, we digest food.
We have to like, digest andmetabolize, like whatever it
goes in our body, same withemotions, and that's why most of
society and humanity, andthat's why we see all this abuse
just continually cyclingthrough generations, it's
because nobody's metabolizingtheir events in their life,
(14:05):
whether you know, events, trauma, like whatever you want, their
stories, their history nobody'sreally doing with.
You know, like doing anythingwith it, and so it's literally
constipation.
You know like energeticconstipation and it's just it's
being passed down energeticallythrough generations and through
cycles, so you can kind of maybethat word can kind of joggle
(14:26):
some people's like, oh, I seehow that's in my life family
lineage, yeah, and so it'sreally metabolizing.
You know, giving yourself thepermission to metabolize your
grief, whatever it is.
You know, the other thing I wasgoing to.
You know like another grieftopic would be like identity,
(14:49):
like I've had to grieve the likethe loss of motherhood, like my
motherhood, like I had dreamedof being a mom for years, like
that's all I wanted to do washave kids homeschool, live on a
you know homestead and a farmand go barefoot, and like that
was my dream and that is not mylife.
And so grieving like my mypregnancy was hijacked, my
(15:12):
entire motherhood was just insurvival mode.
And so just recently I've beenkind of sitting with that.
I've like, okay, I need to sitwith the loss of that motherhood
.
How can you know just how can Iacclimatize that to, okay, I
get to be a mom in other ways oflike nurturing and caring for
people on an even larger scale.
You know so.
(15:33):
But it's just, you know, kind ofreframing and it takes a while
to do that, because if you'resitting with the initial, like
I've just lost, you know, mymother, you know motherhood for
me was a dream, whatever a dreamis for you, and it's like not
happening, you have to sit withit before you can, like, reframe
it, cause I think some coachesare so quick to like we're just
going to reframe it and it'slike whoa, whoa, whoa, like
that's great, maybe you're.
(15:55):
You know, you're a littlefurther ahead in the path.
Let me catch up to it, let meprocess what I'm going through,
and then I can reframe it.
So there's, there's stages toreframing, cause I did not come,
you know I did not come to theconclusion of like I can be a
(16:16):
nurturing and caring person tomillions of people.
You know what I mean.
It was like, no, I wanted to bea mom to my child, yeah, um,
anyway.
So back to the Ayurvedic stuff.
The three doshas are kapta,kappa, k-a-p-h-a, pitta and
vasha, I want to say, and sothey're all just different
constitutions of like hot andcold and fire.
And what I have been personallyworking on is like I don't have
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a fire in like my digestivesystem, like you know, like lack
of appetite, lack of fire, andso using, like you know, lots of
spices.
Spices is kind of the the go-tonutritional modality for
Ayurvedic stuff, and then eating, you know, easily digestible
foods.
Um, so that's kind of.
(17:01):
That's kind of what I've, I'vepersonally been working on in in
that aspect.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Yeah, it's super interesting.
It's it's more of thislifestyle as well.
Like, ayurveda is very holisticbecause it's not just looking
at what you're eating, it's howyou're eating, and we talk about
this, I mean, all the time.
With like sleep too, it's notjust how much you're sleeping,
it's what is the quality of yoursleep.
(17:26):
So Ayurveda is very similar inthat aspect of like, where am I
eating?
How am I eating?
How am I eating?
How is really focusing on howthe food is being digested, not
just, you know, maybe if we wentand saw a nutritionist, it
would be focusing on what theactual food is that you're
consuming Super interesting.
(17:47):
But you said something very coolum, oh my gosh, I lost it.
What was it Very cool about?
Um, focusing on, ah, shoot,what was it?
Now I lost it Metabolizing.
Say it again, was itmetabolizing?
(18:07):
No, you're, you're talkingabout like.
I think I'm trying to get intotalking about the like.
Oh, you, about coaching, that'swhat it was.
Okay, you said that I was like Icouldn't just reframe or rewire
like, like, right off the bat,and that's such a good point.
I think that's something thatwe get.
(18:30):
We all get in the habit ofsharing the arrival, like where,
where we have arrived at andbreathing past what we have
experienced.
So, oh, I like I was reallystruggling with this, but then
this happened and I arrived atthis moment and this is how I
alchemized it and this, you know, this is like where I'm at
right now and I arrived at thismoment and this is how I
(18:51):
alchemized it and this, you know, this is like where I'm at
right now and I'm okay with life.
And, you know, life is easy,breezy, and like.
These are the lessons that Ilearned and all of that is so,
so great to share and soimportant.
And the point of, for sure,working with a coach, working
with a guide, working with atherapist, whatever it is, but
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we don't spend a lot of time notthat we need to publicly
talking about the process, ofhow we got there.
I think there's a balance rightbetween, like, airing out our
dirty laundry and actually, youknow, kind of sharing the
process and normalizing.
Again, talking about grief ornormalizing like how I arrived
at this final place in my well,the next step, because we don't
(19:42):
actually arrive anywhere.
We're always on a journey, butI love that you pointed that out
of, like some coaches.
Just, you know, here.
Let's just rewire that rightaway.
And again, there's nothing.
There's nothing inherentlywrong with that.
Like I don't want this to comeacross that we're saying that
(20:03):
that's wrong or that we're likeshitting on all over that.
But there is a lot of benefitlong term, of going through the
process of allowing ourselves tofeel it and we talk about
feeling it often, especially onthis podcast and especially in
(20:23):
my, in my containers but howoften do we really allow
ourselves to feel it and like,allow ourselves to be in that
ugly of the ugly cry and theactually not eating and the?
You know all of that.
We don't really spend a lot oftime there because it's really
uncomfortable, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Oh yeah, so many great things I want to say on
all of that.
I mean it's, it's reallyinteresting.
I think most people, when theythink about this is maybe
another um grief misconceptionis that you're going to be like
overeating, you just want to eateverything, and I felt like
that.
I haven't really shared muchabout like my personal, like
(21:06):
physical symptoms of grief alittle bit, and it's just like.
You know, I'm like losingweight.
I'm like what size comes after?
Extra small.
You know what I mean and mostpeople are like on the opposite
side is like I'm just bingingand I've, you know, gained all
this weight and I'm like great,I don't want to offend people by
being like, oh, I'm the skinnychick, you know, and so feeling
(21:28):
I'll just keep quiet becauseit's almost more like socially
acceptable to talk about griefof like I'm overeating versus
the opposite.
That's just how I have, that'show I, I guess how I'm holding
it in my consciousness of justlike you know, people, they
don't think of it of like oh youlost your appetite versus oh, I
can just, I just can't stopeating and I don't.
(21:50):
I can't identify with that andyou know, and that might be some
people's story, which isobviously totally fine.
But I think again, that'sanother like very grief specific
thing.
Like most people just think, oh, they're gaining weight,
they're, you know, drinkingalcohol, they're doing all these
things, and for me it's like no, I'm like huddled in my cocoon,
healing and you know what Imean, and maybe maybe I need to
(22:12):
shed more light on that.
Like, this is what, this is howmy grief process looks like,
and maybe it gives permissionfor somebody else to be like oh,
like, maybe I'm forcing myselfto eat when I, when I really
need to like tune into my body,my body's actually not hungry.
So, yeah, so just some thingsthere.
Um, I would like to touch on.
(22:32):
It was funny as you were talking, this was like, again, I'm
channeling this whole bros, butthis was, like you know, coming
to me, the coaching like ingeneralized, the generalizing
coaching space, I think, haskind of and I love it Like it's,
you know, so many people aregetting access to so many things
that you know, decades agopeople didn't have access to.
(22:54):
I think that I, I feel like ithas been almost Hollywoodized,
disney-ized, you know, if I cansay it made up, made up words,
but it's like people see likethese, like famous coaches and I
was, you know.
Like you know they were down ontheir last dollar and they
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listened to this, you knowmeditation tape or whatever, and
all of a sudden they hadbillions of dollars in the
private jets and they have, likeof course anybody can do this.
Why aren't you doing it?
And we've like idolized, likeif you go through the coaching
and if you do the process, thenyou're going to have X, y, z and
that's not always true.
Like just because you are in,like you know, healing, personal
(23:39):
growth work, like it's not afairy tale.
Like you know we can likerewire things and you know heal
lineage, you know like all thosethings which are super
important.
But I think if our, if ouroverarching goal is to like
chase the dream, we're not free.
We're still in the system.
It's like a coaching systemjust like the government system.
(24:02):
Like you go to school K through12, and then you go to college
and then you get the jobcoaching.
Can you know some coachingspaces can kind of be like that,
like if you go through myprogram, if you do this, then
this is going to happen, and ifyou don't put in the work or you
didn't put in the work, thenthat's why you failed.
Am I making sense?
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Yes, no, absolutely.
And and I think for me one ofthe reasons that I use human
design, cycle alignment.
You know these many reach outs,or you're consistent this, this
(24:55):
amount of time, then you willautomatically get whatever is
being promised.
That doesn't work for me, uh,and I have found that everyone
is so different and learning myhuman design, how I'm created,
how my energy is created to movethrough this world, how I'm
(25:16):
supposed to make decisions, howI know what's a right decision
for me and not for me, and thenleaning into my cycle, like my
monthly cycle, the moon phases,a little bit of astrology, and
then, of course, somatic breathwork, any somatic work, getting
back in your body, havingcreating that container to have
the time to reflect and look atthe insides and sit with your
(25:41):
emotions.
All of those things for me, havebeen so much of a permission
slip and less of this formulafollowing.
And if we follow, sometimes,when we follow the formula
perfectly and it still doesn'thappen, then it's leads to us
feeling like, oh so something'swrong with me, like I did it
(26:05):
right, I followed all of thedirections and something's still
wrong with me because it didn'twork, and that must mean that X
, y, z, that I'm a failure, orthat I'm not enough, or that
it's never going to work for me,or you know, oh, I'm just not
meant to be in this field orthis area of my life, and that
(26:26):
may not be true.
You probably, and you arefollowing someone else's formula
that works for them and goodfor them, like they're sharing
it because it works for them andthat's that's great, that's not
a bad thing, but that doesn'tmean that it will work for you.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Right, and I mean that's so beautiful.
Thank you for articulating that.
I think you know coaching thatencompasses a variety of
modalities, like you do yourself.
You know other, you know I havecoaching friends, um, energetic
work, like spirituality,energetic is really beneficial.
Um, and I also say, like theother thing I kind of you know,
(27:05):
observe, and there's some of it.
You know these, you know highinfluencer coaches, I guess, and
they're so successful they haveforgotten the humanity of
people.
Yeah, and everybody.
You know if somebody is in, likelike there's one coach in
(27:28):
particular I'm thinking of as Isay this, and he has a lot of
lives, it's a guy and you knowthat person is on the call.
You know when people come onlive calls, like they generally,
like I want to improve my life,like what am I doing wrong?
Like you know, guide me.
And I remember, like I, I wason one of those like you know
Instagram lives and I, you knowthey, you know, brought me on or
(27:50):
whatever.
One of those, like you knowInstagram lives and I, you know
they, you know brought me on orwhatever.
And I think it's really prudentto know the person's story
because your system that youthink yes, that got you, the you
know the multi-millions and theyou know the 20 fancy cars is
going to work for me where I'mat right now.
That's misaligned.
Yeah, maybe this person youknow, myself or someone else
(28:12):
just to know needs to know thatwhat you're going through is
really, really difficult and I'mhere for you, instead of saying
, follow this process and get upat 3 45 AM and, you know, do
your cold plunge and do thiswork.
And it's like maybe this personreally needs to rest.
And it's like how can I supportyou tomorrow?
And so, again, coming back tothat humanity of just like oh,
(28:34):
what is this person goingthrough?
Like what's behind this?
And I think that gets lost.
As I know, just as I observesome of the coaches, you know,
having a lot of money andsuccess is just like well, this
system worked for me, so it'sautomatically going to work for
any, everyone, blanket percent.
If you work the pro, you knowlike if you work the program,
the program works for you.
(28:55):
And it's like no, because weall had, we all had different
human designs.
You know what I mean.
Like we're all differentindividuals.
It can all work for us indifferent ways, and I think
that's what needs to be said.
It's like here is a system, howcan it be modified for your
human design, for your biology,for the situation you're going
(29:18):
through?
That's where true coaching is,and so you know it's harder in
big, you know group, you knowgroup coaching spaces, you know,
where there's thousands ofpeople and it's just blanket
coaching, like very different.
And so, anyway, you know just,there's a lot to say on this
topic for sure, because I thinka lot of people are just like,
oh, they're being the carrot isdangling in front of them and
(29:44):
they want that carrot.
You know they want the Disney,you know fairy tale wedding and
the white picket fence and the2.4 kids, you know the in the
lake house and the boat.
And I'm just, I'm just nervousthat the coaching industry has
kind of strayed that, strayedthat direction a little bit of
just like giving people likefalse hope, of like there are
tragedies, can we rise from them?
(30:04):
Absolutely, and we don't alwayshave to like make a mess out of
our pain or, like you know,mess out of our message, like
there's all these cliche things.
It's like maybe I will, maybe Iwon't.
How can I make a difference inmy life, in my home, in my
community.
Maybe that's what I'm called todo, maybe I'm called to do
something big.
(30:24):
And so I think, you know,getting wrapped up in like
having a purpose for everysingle thing that happens is
like a bit of spiritualbypassing, Kind of like reaching
for, like I have to alchemizethis and then you're just caught
in, um, in a very likeseductive trap of just I need to
alchemize everything, I need to.
(30:45):
You know, like everything Ihave some very it's for a reason
, something's just happened.
You know what I mean.
Like maybe you know pastgenerations didn't heal
something and so now you'rechosen to deal with it.
Okay, great.
So I think, really givingpeople permission to like pause,
be with yourself, you areyourself, don't compare yourself
(31:06):
to somebody else who's, youknow, transform their story into
, you know, magnificence andyou're not as worthy as them.
So, yeah, there's, I don't knowthere's a lot to say in that.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
I feel there is so much and it's really going back
to like, where are you on yourjourney?
Going back to like, where areyou on your journey?
Maybe you're still in thatfeeling and healing stage and
there's not that moment ofalchemy yet.
You know, like, maybe that willcome, or maybe it is just this.
(31:38):
This is just going on.
We learn, we learn.
We have sorry, we have theopportunity to learn something
from every situation that we'rein.
It doesn't have to be this hugelife lesson.
It can be a small life lessonthat we share or we don't share,
and it can be this big thing.
(31:59):
It can be this, this momentthat really alters your entire
life, or it can be this momentthat alters the inside of you
that you don't need to have.
You know you're, you don't needto switch your entire business
or your entire lifestyle orwhatever it is.
I mean, yeah, I, I, I totallyagree.
There's so, there's so much tosay in the coaching industry.
(32:22):
But the last thing that I wantto add is also, we can apply
this to our healing, just justour healing journey, with or
without a coach, with or without, um, you know, following people
, um, how, yeah, how much gracecan I give myself, how much can
I allow myself just to simply gothrough this process and how
(32:44):
how much can I be with myselfgoing through this process and
instead of jumping to thealchemy, which I mean there's so
much behind that we don't we'readverse to feeling
uncomfortable, we want to get tothe alchemy because that means,
you know, we've made it to theother side.
Like there's so many reasonsthat we do that.
But allowing ourselves,allowing ourselves just to be be
(33:08):
here, right, isn't it like RamDass or something like be here
now, just just be here.
Can I allow myself to be.
And if it's a difficult season,can I allow myself to be in
this season.
If it's a nice season and andbutterflies are flying around,
can I let myself be in thatseason too?
Speaker 2 (33:27):
eyes are flying around.
Can I let myself be in thatseason too?
Yeah, I mean.
And there's also like stages ofalchemy, as you know.
I'm sitting here even thinkingof, like you know, I was
actually asked this questionyesterday of, like it was
something along kind of on thelines of just like you know,
what are you doing with yourstory, and it was almost like
they wanted me to say all thesegreat things I'm doing, you know
(33:48):
, like, like you know, I havetheir Mercedes, or you know
whatever it is which I don't, um, or the, you know the, the, all
the material things, or youknow I've spoken on, you know,
stages.
You know, with 5,000 people or10, you know, like the big,
grandiose things that you knowreally get, wow, it's amazing.
(34:12):
And I was sitting here thinkingof like alchemy can be in stages
, cause I think the universealso is like can I?
I don't like the word test,it's too hard.
I like the frequency is toohard.
The universe wants to see can Ialchemize this at a very minor
stage, so, like when I was injail.
I still can't believe.
I'm saying that every time Isay it I'm like, oh my gosh,
like I was just praying with thewomen in jail.
That's alchemy, yeah, and likebeing with them and like hearing
(34:37):
their stories and like stillshedding my you know, you know
shining my light.
Yeah, that was alchemy in avery dark situation.
Now, you know, some peoplethink I think people also maybe
like they was alchemy in a verydark situation.
Now, you know, some peoplethink I think people also maybe
like they think alchemy is like,yeah, you have this really
terrible situation.
Then all of a sudden you're aNew York times bestseller.
It's like we jump, it's likewhoa, to get to that New York
(34:57):
times bestseller, a lot like alot of little alchemies had to
happen to the big a.
Yeah, and so it.
It's like right now, my alchemylooks like doing a lot of
podcast and sharing what I canon social media.
Have I spoken on stages andgotten paid, you know, triple
eight figures?
No, I don't even.
You know, I don't, I don't.
(35:17):
I guess that's why I wantpeople like I'm very real of
like, no, at the time of thisrecording I haven't even been
asked to speak for free and Ithink a lot of people kind of
see just the highlight reels oflike, oh, they went through this
really traumatic time and nowthey're doing fantastic.
Well, I'm here to let you knowI'm in the middle of this
alchemy process, and so thealchemy process, like everything
(35:40):
else, it is a journey, it's astep by step, and the universe
is like, oh, I gave that to herand she took that step.
What else can I, you know, nowI can, like entrust her with the
next bigger step.
Maybe it's a speaking, you knowa paid speaking arrangement.
Maybe it's a, you know, a bookoffer, like those things like
they come in steps as you healand as you process and as you're
(36:01):
like you're ready for them.
That that's how I kind of viewit.
I guess as stages of alchemy itdoesn't happen zero to a
hundred.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
I love that.
Stages of alchemy, yeah, and itdoesn't.
We always see the highlightreel and there's not a lot of.
I think it's really beautifulto spend time sharing the
process, because we all gothrough it and I think we need
to start normalizing that more,that we all have a process and
(36:35):
the process is just as importantas the highlight reel, as
getting to you know those high.
Whatever the success is for you.
It doesn't even matter what itis whatever the success is for
you.
So I love that.
I want to say a little bit aboutyour human design, because we
(36:57):
always kind of close with somehuman design.
I'm just going to bring up yourchart.
I want to say a little bitabout your human design and then
I'm going to give you a lastquestion and then a second to
kind of where can, where can wefollow up with you and all of
that.
So one of the things that Ireally like, I really love
(37:19):
actually the, the five oneprofile, which is your profile.
It's called the challengesolver and I've explained this
on podcasts before, but, likeour the numbers, they're called
lines.
The first line is the liberator.
The five line is called theliberator, the one line is the
(37:40):
knowledge seeker, or like theresearcher there's all these
different names for them um, sothe five line is really
interesting.
That's typically how we seeourselves.
So the five line is kind ofthis like um, save the day
energy.
We're here, like our five lines, typically five, one profile,
(38:02):
specifically, typically kind ofexude this, um like energy.
I don't want to, I don't wantto take it, take this kind of
with a grain of salt, cause it'snot like you're here to solve
everyone's problems, but you cansolve problems.
We'll say that.
And one of one of the five line, especially one of their
lessons in life, I say, is howto set boundaries.
(38:25):
I think we all have that lessonin life, but the five line a
little bit more is how to setboundaries, how to say no, like
just because I can do it,doesn't mean I have to do it and
help everyone.
And then that one line is theknowledge seeker.
So really I mean this comesthrough in our conversation very
clearly with you but learningnew modalities like Ayurveda and
(38:49):
all of these things and I alsocall them like the lifelong
learners I'm a one three, so Ihave the one line and I just
know like these are the pillarsof my business, but I'm always
going to be exploring otherwellness and healing modalities
and and I mean things outside of, outside of my business as well
(39:11):
Um, but it's a really, it's areally beautiful, it's a really
fun profile and it reallyhonestly it just kind of
encapsulates, like this HopeRose movement as well.
I feel like that.
Like that five one profile isis really um, supportive
(39:33):
supporter.
Supporter, supportive profileuh, personality traits.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
Yeah, I'm following it, I guess yeah, so, yeah, it's
so interesting to.
Yeah, I, I've done a littleresearch on it.
I is five that is the five linealso disruptive.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
I thought I had they could be for sure, disruptive
yeah.
Yeah, because it's more um theycould be disruptive.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Yeah, so I guess I'm thinking about like, the
liberation of like.
In order to liberate, we haveto like disrupt.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
Shift the way that we are doing things.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
Yeah, like shift, you know shift people's thinking of
like, oh, didn't know, I didn'tknow I had a choice, whatever
it might be.
You know, like mandates aren'ta law, there's just simply a
word.
You know I won't get toopolitical here.
Or, yeah, you know, settingboundaries, like I didn't know I
could set a boundary.
It's just like, I think,liberating.
(40:35):
I think, thank you for, yeah,sure, I didn't really realize
that about the five line, but Ithink that really fits in with
like my personality and like myoverall work.
Yeah, like I say, like mylife's purpose, you know, it was
like my work, like my passionof just like liberating people
from like the chains and thestructures and the confines of
(40:56):
whatever what they're you know,whether it's systems or
childhood, or you know, society,like whatever it is, like the
boxes we put ourselves in, right, the boxes we put ourselves in,
that the limitations we giveourselves of like no, that's not
possible.
Um and so, yeah, that's whatI'm really going to sit with
that.
So, thank you?
Speaker 1 (41:15):
Yay, oh, you're welcome.
So before the last questionwhere can people find you if
they want to continue followingyour story?
Where do you hang out the most?
Speaker 2 (41:26):
As you watch the alchemy and process along with
me.
Uh, I usually hang out onInstagram.
Uh, hope Rose speaks and that'slike across the platforms um,
as well as website, hope Rosespeakscom, so it's easy to find
me there.
I'm not sure what your nextquestion is, but the?
Um, the other website you cando new product I'm launching and
it helps people build healthyhabits and it's called heal by,
(41:48):
and that website is we healthyselfcom.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
Oh yeah, I know we didn't even get there, but
definitely check out thatwebsite and I will link
everything down below so peoplecan easily click on it.
Um, last question is if youwere standing on your stage that
you're going to someday and youhad one message to share with
the world, what would you share?
Speaker 2 (42:13):
No matter what you've been through, you're loved.
I see you, you are cared forand you're here for a purpose,
here for a reason, reason.
And everyone has a masterpieceinside them and it's covered up
(42:34):
by shame and fear and guilt andgrief and suppressed emotions
and systems and protocols andchains.
And my role is to reveal thatmasterpiece so that way everyone
can see that and benefit fromit, whether it be in their
family or their community.
And every masterpiece is unique.
So only you can paint yourmasterpiece, and so you know if
(42:56):
I was standing on the stage,it's like let's unearth your
masterpiece.
How can we paint you today?
Like what is the first step?
You need to kind of uncoveryour masterpiece so that way you
can benefit from it, but theworld gets to benefit from it as
well.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
Oh, I love that.
Thank you so much.
This was a really funconversation and thank you so
much for your time.
Thank you for coming on.
It was really great to chatwith you.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
Thank you, I really enjoyed being here.
Hello, welcome back to the podcast Journey to Well.
So today I am joined with HopeRose from, founder of the Hope
Rose movement, an ultraendurance athlete passionate
about health, healing and hopefor humanity.
Hope, thank you so much forcoming on.
It's really good to have you.
(00:23):
I feel like we're going to havea really good conversation.
One of the things that we weretalking about before we hit
record was grief and talkingabout those deep emotions that a
lot of us run away from andcertainly don't talk about
publicly.
So I'm excited to get therewith you.
She's also a 5-1, I don't wantto forget this 5.1 manifesting
(00:47):
generator, so we'll talk alittle bit about human design
throughout or at the end of thepodcast, but thank you so much
for coming on and I'm going tolet you introduce yourself.
Who is Hope?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Rose.
Thank you, hannah, it is apleasure to be here.
Hope Rose is a name Source gaveto me about three years ago, at
this point of the recording,and you know, source God,
whatever you want to call it andit was such a divine experience
that I just, you know, embodiedit and kind of, you know,
channeling as Hope Rose and Ihad gone through some very
(01:21):
trying, deep circumstances, likeliterally weeks after Source
gave me Hope Rose.
And to not make this podcasthours long, the brief 411
version is I was involved in adomestic violence relationship,
had a little baby who turnedinto a little boy and went
(01:42):
through the whole, you know,court process.
There was no marriage in thisparticular story, just custody,
and when you are dealing with anabusive individual, it is just
a very trying time.
And so he, you know, attemptedto take out a life insurance
policy on me and my baby nothingon him when I was a month
(02:04):
postpartum.
So that will give you some ideaof what I was, what I was
dealing with.
On that, several other closeattempted um, death, death times
.
I will.
I will say to that eventually,at seven months old, um, my son
was seven months old, he walkedout on us, changed the locks in
our house, closed our jointchecking account, took the car
(02:26):
away and, like, literally leftme with barely a penny and a
newborn in the middle of winterand it was a really horrific
time and then took me to courtfor custody and child support
Fast forward four years later.
What most people are not awareof is that our court system is
not.
It's a.
It's not a judicial system, itis simply a system and it's a
(02:49):
trafficking system.
And he had a lot of money andbackdoors and money and
attorneys, and I did not, and Iwas a mama bear fighting for,
fighting really to protect meand my son and ultimately my
little boy, who had lived withme his entire life, at four
years old, was literally rippedout of my arms at gunpoint and
he was trafficked.
And when I say traffic, I usethat word very deliberately,
(03:11):
because that is exactly whathappened in.
It's happening all day long,every every day in our country
and people are not realizingwhat is happening, and so that's
part of like the Hope Rosemovement is to shed light on
that.
And I did not know where my sonwas.
I still don't know exactlywhere he is, but we had zero
(03:32):
contact for almost three years,and so this is why grief is
definitely a topic I know a lotabout.
And then subsequently, I wasarrested and jailed for what
they call custodial interference.
Again, it's the made up lawcode for really protective
parents, for just being, forbeing a parent.
(03:53):
And there was just a caseyesterday, or over the last
couple of days, a month, a monthold baby was ripped out of her
mother's arms due to anotherjust you know angry ex spouse.
So this is happening all thetime and you're listening to my
(04:13):
story and it's you know, it'shappening to me, and so you know
, the more that I share my storyand be on podcast, I think
people will be like, oh, this is, this is real.
It's not just, you know,children not just being
trafficked across Mexico border,this is happening in America.
So that is kind of the recentjourney I have been on, and
(04:34):
through my healing process ofall of this, I was really
wondering, like, how do I useHope Rose?
And a really good friend saidit's a brand, it's a movement.
I was like, oh my gosh, you'reso right.
So it's the Hope Rose movement.
Of course, it's a metaphorrising from the ashes and it
just has such a deep meaningthat I'm kind of like the
lighthouse for people who aregoing through dark situations,
(04:57):
whether it's really deep trauma,like I've been through, or more
subtle trauma, whether it'slike a relationship or a job
ending like.
All of these things still havebig, big impact, and not to
downplay one person's traumafrom from another's.
But, um, really hope rose is togive light in the darkness when
you're going through.
(05:17):
You know health issues or youknow trouble with your children.
Parenting life is difficult.
You know life throws us a lotof different lessons and so Hope
Rose is there to kind of, youknow, as a metaphor, but also as
a tangible reminder that youcan come through the darkness.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
And don't we all need that reminder?
I love that you pointed outlike trauma is trauma.
We all experience trauma.
I think that's something reallyimportant to know, and we
always think of your situations,which is huge, and I can't even
imagine going through anythinglike that.
And that's really what we dothink about when we think of
(06:01):
trauma is like these big, whatwe call big T trauma right, big
T trauma situations.
But there's also little Ttraumas that we go through and
we still need that lighthouse.
We still need that rising fromthe ashes reminder and the
reminders that we need toprocess our grief, that we need
(06:24):
to find our people, our tribe,our community that maybe has
gone through something similar,or something that you can
resonate with and feel safeenough to hold yourself and be
held in this healing journey.
Because it is a journey, isn'tit?
(06:45):
Like we were talking about?
Like there you've gone througha lot, as as have I, a lot of
different.
It's not just processing ouremotions, it's what are we
eating, how are we sleeping, howis our stress level Right, like
all of these things that umplay into healing, play into
(07:06):
into into alchemizing, really.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Yeah, that's so beautiful and I think you know
grief.
Grief is not just like you know, the grief of like a death or
losing a loved one, you knowit's.
It's divorce.
If you're like on the spiritualpath which I think probably you
know most listeners are, it isdeath of the life you thought
you were going to have andgrieving that, grieving the
(07:32):
person you were when you madechoices that you were
unconscious to, grieving thataspect.
And so grief is more, it's morelayered than just surface level
of like oh you know, a familymember died, a friend died,
absolutely that, oh, you know, afamily member died, a friend
died, absolutely that's their.
You know, that's grief.
I feel like I need to createlike the um, like a wheel of
(07:52):
grief, and people can be like oh, I identify with that grief
because grief is just not, it'snot singular, it's plural.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
And so there's all different kinds, and so I've
even, you know, through, like mypersonal spiritual
transformation, the grief has,like sure, I mean it's it's
coupled with, you know, like theloss of, you know, my child,
and it's also coupled with goingthrough this tremendous, you
know, dark years of the soul.
It's not days of, it's not anight, it is definitely years.
(08:23):
At this point, and yeah, it's,you know, grieving the versions
of you that you thought you were, and it's like, oh, I am, so,
not that, I am this and likegrieving that.
And so, in order you know, wewere talking about this off air
as well in order to and I amjust learning this recently Like
I've really been strugglingwith grief, like I've had health
(08:43):
symptoms like losing my hair,um, and not being able to digest
food.
I don't have an appetite, like Ijust literally I could go days
without eating.
I really do not want to eat.
So like I had to like forcemyself to eat.
But then I was reading on, likeyou don't want to force
yourself to eat Cause then youget, you know, get bad habits,
and I'm like, oh my God.
(09:04):
And so I've been working with anAyurvedic practitioner and she
was like we need to get yourdigestion right so you can
actually process grief, and Ijust want to share that with the
listeners.
I think that was so helpful forme of like and even to process
any type of grief, whether it'scapital G grief or a little
grief or whatever it is.
(09:24):
We have to be able tophysically digest our food and
have that appetite.
And so that is something I'mpersonally working on and that's
a really in step.
That's a really important stepin grieving like um, properly, I
guess is the word that's comingto mind but really grieving
like holistically, like mind,body, spirit, because you know,
(09:46):
if we're just crying all thetime and our body is not able to
actually release and processthat grief, is just going to
keep coming back over and overagain and it's just going to
like compound.
So really important to have areally good digestive system so
you can actually, like you know,process the grief and then be
able to go on with your life.
You don't have to, you know, becrying all day, every day, or,
(10:07):
you know, whatever the griefsymptoms you know show up for
you.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Yeah, grief is such an interesting thing to
experience, if we can call itinteresting and talk about,
because we have all of thesethoughts about grief, right Like
you've already kind of debunkeda few of them is we really can.
Only I'm putting that in quoteswe can only grieve people that
(10:33):
have died, which is not true.
We can only grieve someone else, not true?
We can grieve these pastversions of ourselves or past,
or what we thought that our lifewas going to be or how we
thought our life was going tolook, and we can only grieve,
again, in quotes, for a certainamount of time, right, like we
(10:56):
always think it's been a month.
I actually talked to clientsabout this and they're like it's
, you know, it's been like 10years or five years and I still
feel these waves of grief comeover me and we think that
something is wrong with usbecause we're told societally
(11:17):
that you know, you have, like atbest, a year to grieve someone
that died, not even yourself.
Um, and then another thing thatyou're bringing up too is how
are we grieving?
It's not.
We have to allow ourselves tofeel the emotion, but one thing
that you're bringing up that'sinteresting is it's not just
(11:40):
feeling the emotion.
It's not just crying, it's alsohow am I digesting food, but
also then how that thatindicates how I'm digesting this
grief.
And like I guess digestinganother synonym would be
processing Like how am Iactually processing and allowing
the grief to be moved through,rather than I'm just going to
(12:08):
allow myself to cry about itwhich I'm not saying is not what
we do, because we do need to beable to cry about it.
Or however you process grief,sometimes anger is grief for
people.
Sometimes we start there andthen move down to sadness.
But all of these I call themdense emotions, but like anger,
frustration, sadness, maybe likeyelling or crying, like these
(12:34):
are ways that those emotionsmight be expressed.
But how are we then processingthrough that?
And I think that you can alsoalmost reverse engineer of like
I'm having a lot of digestiveissues, or I have this diagnosis
right, of like SIBO or what'sthe other one, all of the
(12:58):
digestive issues that we have,is there something, some emotion
that I'm not moving through?
Or I mean I?
You probably know more aboutAyurveda than I do.
My mom is very into Ayurveda, Ihave explored the doshas, but
for listeners, I don't know thatI've ever talked about Ayurveda
(13:19):
.
So tell us what that is.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
And then also, I'd love to hear your experience and
your takeaways there, yeah, soI I'm not an expert in Ayurvedic
um modalities I probably willbe eventually, cause I just love
that stuff Um, I will say theword that comes to mind is
metabolizing our grief, Like,how can we like metabolize and I
(13:42):
guess that's what I mean, likeby digesting?
Like you know, we digest food.
We have to like, digest andmetabolize, like whatever it
goes in our body, same withemotions, and that's why most of
society and humanity, andthat's why we see all this abuse
just continually cyclingthrough generations, it's
because nobody's metabolizingtheir events in their life,
(14:05):
whether you know, events, trauma, like whatever you want, their
stories, their history nobody'sreally doing with.
You know, like doing anythingwith it, and so it's literally
constipation.
You know like energeticconstipation and it's just it's
being passed down energeticallythrough generations and through
cycles, so you can kind of maybethat word can kind of joggle
(14:26):
some people's like, oh, I seehow that's in my life family
lineage, yeah, and so it'sreally metabolizing.
You know, giving yourself thepermission to metabolize your
grief, whatever it is.
You know, the other thing I wasgoing to.
You know like another grieftopic would be like identity,
(14:49):
like I've had to grieve the likethe loss of motherhood, like my
motherhood, like I had dreamedof being a mom for years, like
that's all I wanted to do washave kids homeschool, live on a
you know homestead and a farmand go barefoot, and like that
was my dream and that is not mylife.
And so grieving like my mypregnancy was hijacked, my
(15:12):
entire motherhood was just insurvival mode.
And so just recently I've beenkind of sitting with that.
I've like, okay, I need to sitwith the loss of that motherhood
.
How can you know just how can Iacclimatize that to, okay, I
get to be a mom in other ways oflike nurturing and caring for
people on an even larger scale.
You know so.
(15:33):
But it's just, you know, kind ofreframing and it takes a while
to do that, because if you'resitting with the initial, like
I've just lost, you know, mymother, you know motherhood for
me was a dream, whatever a dreamis for you, and it's like not
happening, you have to sit withit before you can, like, reframe
it, cause I think some coachesare so quick to like we're just
going to reframe it and it'slike whoa, whoa, whoa, like
that's great, maybe you're.
(15:55):
You know, you're a littlefurther ahead in the path.
Let me catch up to it, let meprocess what I'm going through,
and then I can reframe it.
So there's, there's stages toreframing, cause I did not come,
you know I did not come to theconclusion of like I can be a
(16:16):
nurturing and caring person tomillions of people.
You know what I mean.
It was like, no, I wanted to bea mom to my child, yeah, um,
anyway.
So back to the Ayurvedic stuff.
The three doshas are kapta,kappa, k-a-p-h-a, pitta and
vasha, I want to say, and sothey're all just different
constitutions of like hot andcold and fire.
And what I have been personallyworking on is like I don't have
(16:39):
a fire in like my digestivesystem, like you know, like lack
of appetite, lack of fire, andso using, like you know, lots of
spices.
Spices is kind of the the go-tonutritional modality for
Ayurvedic stuff, and then eating, you know, easily digestible
foods.
Um, so that's kind of.
(17:01):
That's kind of what I've, I'vepersonally been working on in in
that aspect.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Yeah, it's super interesting.
It's it's more of thislifestyle as well.
Like, ayurveda is very holisticbecause it's not just looking
at what you're eating, it's howyou're eating, and we talk about
this, I mean, all the time.
With like sleep too, it's notjust how much you're sleeping,
it's what is the quality of yoursleep.
(17:26):
So Ayurveda is very similar inthat aspect of like, where am I
eating?
How am I eating?
How am I eating?
How is really focusing on howthe food is being digested, not
just, you know, maybe if we wentand saw a nutritionist, it
would be focusing on what theactual food is that you're
consuming Super interesting.
(17:47):
But you said something very coolum, oh my gosh, I lost it.
What was it Very cool about?
Um, focusing on, ah, shoot,what was it?
Now I lost it Metabolizing.
Say it again, was itmetabolizing?
(18:07):
No, you're, you're talkingabout like.
I think I'm trying to get intotalking about the like.
Oh, you, about coaching, that'swhat it was.
Okay, you said that I was like Icouldn't just reframe or rewire
like, like, right off the bat,and that's such a good point.
I think that's something thatwe get.
(18:30):
We all get in the habit ofsharing the arrival, like where,
where we have arrived at andbreathing past what we have
experienced.
So, oh, I like I was reallystruggling with this, but then
this happened and I arrived atthis moment and this is how I
alchemized it and this, you know, this is like where I'm at
right now and I arrived at thismoment and this is how I
(18:51):
alchemized it and this, you know, this is like where I'm at
right now and I'm okay with life.
And, you know, life is easy,breezy, and like.
These are the lessons that Ilearned and all of that is so,
so great to share and soimportant.
And the point of, for sure,working with a coach, working
with a guide, working with atherapist, whatever it is, but
(19:18):
we don't spend a lot of time notthat we need to publicly
talking about the process, ofhow we got there.
I think there's a balance rightbetween, like, airing out our
dirty laundry and actually, youknow, kind of sharing the
process and normalizing.
Again, talking about grief ornormalizing like how I arrived
at this final place in my well,the next step, because we don't
(19:42):
actually arrive anywhere.
We're always on a journey, butI love that you pointed that out
of, like some coaches.
Just, you know, here.
Let's just rewire that rightaway.
And again, there's nothing.
There's nothing inherentlywrong with that.
Like I don't want this to comeacross that we're saying that
(20:03):
that's wrong or that we're likeshitting on all over that.
But there is a lot of benefitlong term, of going through the
process of allowing ourselves tofeel it and we talk about
feeling it often, especially onthis podcast and especially in
(20:23):
my, in my containers but howoften do we really allow
ourselves to feel it and like,allow ourselves to be in that
ugly of the ugly cry and theactually not eating and the?
You know all of that.
We don't really spend a lot oftime there because it's really
uncomfortable, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Oh yeah, so many great things I want to say on
all of that.
I mean it's, it's reallyinteresting.
I think most people, when theythink about this is maybe
another um grief misconceptionis that you're going to be like
overeating, you just want to eateverything, and I felt like
that.
I haven't really shared muchabout like my personal, like
(21:06):
physical symptoms of grief alittle bit, and it's just like.
You know, I'm like losingweight.
I'm like what size comes after?
Extra small.
You know what I mean and mostpeople are like on the opposite
side is like I'm just bingingand I've, you know, gained all
this weight and I'm like great,I don't want to offend people by
being like, oh, I'm the skinnychick, you know, and so feeling
(21:28):
I'll just keep quiet becauseit's almost more like socially
acceptable to talk about griefof like I'm overeating versus
the opposite.
That's just how I have, that'show I, I guess how I'm holding
it in my consciousness of justlike you know, people, they
don't think of it of like oh youlost your appetite versus oh, I
can just, I just can't stopeating and I don't.
(21:50):
I can't identify with that andyou know, and that might be some
people's story, which isobviously totally fine.
But I think again, that'sanother like very grief specific
thing.
Like most people just think, oh, they're gaining weight,
they're, you know, drinkingalcohol, they're doing all these
things, and for me it's like no, I'm like huddled in my cocoon,
healing and you know what Imean, and maybe maybe I need to
(22:12):
shed more light on that.
Like, this is what, this is howmy grief process looks like,
and maybe it gives permissionfor somebody else to be like oh,
like, maybe I'm forcing myselfto eat when I, when I really
need to like tune into my body,my body's actually not hungry.
So, yeah, so just some thingsthere.
Um, I would like to touch on.
(22:32):
It was funny as you were talking, this was like, again, I'm
channeling this whole bros, butthis was, like you know, coming
to me, the coaching like ingeneralized, the generalizing
coaching space, I think, haskind of and I love it Like it's,
you know, so many people aregetting access to so many things
that you know, decades agopeople didn't have access to.
(22:54):
I think that I, I feel like ithas been almost Hollywoodized,
disney-ized, you know, if I cansay it made up, made up words,
but it's like people see likethese, like famous coaches and I
was, you know.
Like you know they were down ontheir last dollar and they
(23:16):
listened to this, you knowmeditation tape or whatever, and
all of a sudden they hadbillions of dollars in the
private jets and they have, likeof course anybody can do this.
Why aren't you doing it?
And we've like idolized, likeif you go through the coaching
and if you do the process, thenyou're going to have X, y, z and
that's not always true.
Like just because you are in,like you know, healing, personal
(23:39):
growth work, like it's not afairy tale.
Like you know we can likerewire things and you know heal
lineage, you know like all thosethings which are super
important.
But I think if our, if ouroverarching goal is to like
chase the dream, we're not free.
We're still in the system.
It's like a coaching systemjust like the government system.
(24:02):
Like you go to school K through12, and then you go to college
and then you get the jobcoaching.
Can you know some coachingspaces can kind of be like that,
like if you go through myprogram, if you do this, then
this is going to happen, and ifyou don't put in the work or you
didn't put in the work, thenthat's why you failed.
Am I making sense?
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Yes, no, absolutely.
And and I think for me one ofthe reasons that I use human
design, cycle alignment.
You know these many reach outs,or you're consistent this, this
(24:55):
amount of time, then you willautomatically get whatever is
being promised.
That doesn't work for me, uh,and I have found that everyone
is so different and learning myhuman design, how I'm created,
how my energy is created to movethrough this world, how I'm
(25:16):
supposed to make decisions, howI know what's a right decision
for me and not for me, and thenleaning into my cycle, like my
monthly cycle, the moon phases,a little bit of astrology, and
then, of course, somatic breathwork, any somatic work, getting
back in your body, havingcreating that container to have
the time to reflect and look atthe insides and sit with your
(25:41):
emotions.
All of those things for me, havebeen so much of a permission
slip and less of this formulafollowing.
And if we follow, sometimes,when we follow the formula
perfectly and it still doesn'thappen, then it's leads to us
feeling like, oh so something'swrong with me, like I did it
(26:05):
right, I followed all of thedirections and something's still
wrong with me because it didn'twork, and that must mean that X
, y, z, that I'm a failure, orthat I'm not enough, or that
it's never going to work for me,or you know, oh, I'm just not
meant to be in this field orthis area of my life, and that
(26:26):
may not be true.
You probably, and you arefollowing someone else's formula
that works for them and goodfor them, like they're sharing
it because it works for them andthat's that's great, that's not
a bad thing, but that doesn'tmean that it will work for you.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Right, and I mean that's so beautiful.
Thank you for articulating that.
I think you know coaching thatencompasses a variety of
modalities, like you do yourself.
You know other, you know I havecoaching friends, um, energetic
work, like spirituality,energetic is really beneficial.
Um, and I also say, like theother thing I kind of you know,
(27:05):
observe, and there's some of it.
You know these, you know highinfluencer coaches, I guess, and
they're so successful they haveforgotten the humanity of
people.
Yeah, and everybody.
You know if somebody is in, likelike there's one coach in
(27:28):
particular I'm thinking of as Isay this, and he has a lot of
lives, it's a guy and you knowthat person is on the call.
You know when people come onlive calls, like they generally,
like I want to improve my life,like what am I doing wrong?
Like you know, guide me.
And I remember, like I, I wason one of those like you know
Instagram lives and I, you knowthey, you know, brought me on or
(27:50):
whatever.
One of those, like you knowInstagram lives and I, you know
they, you know brought me on orwhatever.
And I think it's really prudentto know the person's story
because your system that youthink yes, that got you, the you
know the multi-millions and theyou know the 20 fancy cars is
going to work for me where I'mat right now.
That's misaligned.
Yeah, maybe this person youknow, myself or someone else
(28:12):
just to know needs to know thatwhat you're going through is
really, really difficult and I'mhere for you, instead of saying
, follow this process and get upat 3 45 AM and, you know, do
your cold plunge and do thiswork.
And it's like maybe this personreally needs to rest.
And it's like how can I supportyou tomorrow?
And so, again, coming back tothat humanity of just like oh,
(28:34):
what is this person goingthrough?
Like what's behind this?
And I think that gets lost.
As I know, just as I observesome of the coaches, you know,
having a lot of money andsuccess is just like well, this
system worked for me, so it'sautomatically going to work for
any, everyone, blanket percent.
If you work the pro, you knowlike if you work the program,
the program works for you.
(28:55):
And it's like no, because weall had, we all had different
human designs.
You know what I mean.
Like we're all differentindividuals.
It can all work for us indifferent ways, and I think
that's what needs to be said.
It's like here is a system, howcan it be modified for your
human design, for your biology,for the situation you're going
(29:18):
through?
That's where true coaching is,and so you know it's harder in
big, you know group, you knowgroup coaching spaces, you know,
where there's thousands ofpeople and it's just blanket
coaching, like very different.
And so, anyway, you know just,there's a lot to say on this
topic for sure, because I thinka lot of people are just like,
oh, they're being the carrot isdangling in front of them and
(29:44):
they want that carrot.
You know they want the Disney,you know fairy tale wedding and
the white picket fence and the2.4 kids, you know the in the
lake house and the boat.
And I'm just, I'm just nervousthat the coaching industry has
kind of strayed that, strayedthat direction a little bit of
just like giving people likefalse hope, of like there are
tragedies, can we rise from them?
(30:04):
Absolutely, and we don't alwayshave to like make a mess out of
our pain or, like you know,mess out of our message, like
there's all these cliche things.
It's like maybe I will, maybe Iwon't.
How can I make a difference inmy life, in my home, in my
community.
Maybe that's what I'm called todo, maybe I'm called to do
something big.
(30:24):
And so I think, you know,getting wrapped up in like
having a purpose for everysingle thing that happens is
like a bit of spiritualbypassing, Kind of like reaching
for, like I have to alchemizethis and then you're just caught
in, um, in a very likeseductive trap of just I need to
alchemize everything, I need to.
(30:45):
You know, like everything Ihave some very it's for a reason
, something's just happened.
You know what I mean.
Like maybe you know pastgenerations didn't heal
something and so now you'rechosen to deal with it.
Okay, great.
So I think, really givingpeople permission to like pause,
be with yourself, you areyourself, don't compare yourself
(31:06):
to somebody else who's, youknow, transform their story into
, you know, magnificence andyou're not as worthy as them.
So, yeah, there's, I don't knowthere's a lot to say in that.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
I feel there is so much and it's really going back
to like, where are you on yourjourney?
Going back to like, where areyou on your journey?
Maybe you're still in thatfeeling and healing stage and
there's not that moment ofalchemy yet.
You know, like, maybe that willcome, or maybe it is just this.
(31:38):
This is just going on.
We learn, we learn.
We have sorry, we have theopportunity to learn something
from every situation that we'rein.
It doesn't have to be this hugelife lesson.
It can be a small life lessonthat we share or we don't share,
and it can be this big thing.
(31:59):
It can be this, this momentthat really alters your entire
life, or it can be this momentthat alters the inside of you
that you don't need to have.
You know you're, you don't needto switch your entire business
or your entire lifestyle orwhatever it is.
I mean, yeah, I, I, I totallyagree.
There's so, there's so much tosay in the coaching industry.
(32:22):
But the last thing that I wantto add is also, we can apply
this to our healing, just justour healing journey, with or
without a coach, with or without, um, you know, following people
, um, how, yeah, how much gracecan I give myself, how much can
I allow myself just to simply gothrough this process and how
(32:44):
how much can I be with myselfgoing through this process and
instead of jumping to thealchemy, which I mean there's so
much behind that we don't we'readverse to feeling
uncomfortable, we want to get tothe alchemy because that means,
you know, we've made it to theother side.
Like there's so many reasonsthat we do that.
But allowing ourselves,allowing ourselves just to be be
(33:08):
here, right, isn't it like RamDass or something like be here
now, just just be here.
Can I allow myself to be.
And if it's a difficult season,can I allow myself to be in
this season.
If it's a nice season and andbutterflies are flying around,
can I let myself be in thatseason too?
Speaker 2 (33:27):
eyes are flying around.
Can I let myself be in thatseason too?
Yeah, I mean.
And there's also like stages ofalchemy, as you know.
I'm sitting here even thinkingof, like you know, I was
actually asked this questionyesterday of, like it was
something along kind of on thelines of just like you know,
what are you doing with yourstory, and it was almost like
they wanted me to say all thesegreat things I'm doing, you know
(33:48):
, like, like you know, I havetheir Mercedes, or you know
whatever it is which I don't, um, or the, you know the, the, all
the material things, or youknow I've spoken on, you know,
stages.
You know, with 5,000 people or10, you know, like the big,
grandiose things that you knowreally get, wow, it's amazing.
(34:12):
And I was sitting here thinkingof like alchemy can be in stages
, cause I think the universealso is like can I?
I don't like the word test,it's too hard.
I like the frequency is toohard.
The universe wants to see can Ialchemize this at a very minor
stage, so, like when I was injail.
I still can't believe.
I'm saying that every time Isay it I'm like, oh my gosh,
like I was just praying with thewomen in jail.
That's alchemy, yeah, and likebeing with them and like hearing
(34:37):
their stories and like stillshedding my you know, you know
shining my light.
Yeah, that was alchemy in avery dark situation.
Now, you know, some peoplethink I think people also maybe
like they was alchemy in a verydark situation.
Now, you know, some peoplethink I think people also maybe
like they think alchemy is like,yeah, you have this really
terrible situation.
Then all of a sudden you're aNew York times bestseller.
It's like we jump, it's likewhoa, to get to that New York
(34:57):
times bestseller, a lot like alot of little alchemies had to
happen to the big a.
Yeah, and so it.
It's like right now, my alchemylooks like doing a lot of
podcast and sharing what I canon social media.
Have I spoken on stages andgotten paid, you know, triple
eight figures?
No, I don't even.
You know, I don't, I don't.
(35:17):
I guess that's why I wantpeople like I'm very real of
like, no, at the time of thisrecording I haven't even been
asked to speak for free and Ithink a lot of people kind of
see just the highlight reels oflike, oh, they went through this
really traumatic time and nowthey're doing fantastic.
Well, I'm here to let you knowI'm in the middle of this
alchemy process, and so thealchemy process, like everything
(35:40):
else, it is a journey, it's astep by step, and the universe
is like, oh, I gave that to herand she took that step.
What else can I, you know, nowI can, like entrust her with the
next bigger step.
Maybe it's a speaking, you knowa paid speaking arrangement.
Maybe it's a, you know, a bookoffer, like those things like
they come in steps as you healand as you process and as you're
(36:01):
like you're ready for them.
That that's how I kind of viewit.
I guess as stages of alchemy itdoesn't happen zero to a
hundred.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
I love that.
Stages of alchemy, yeah, and itdoesn't.
We always see the highlightreel and there's not a lot of.
I think it's really beautifulto spend time sharing the
process, because we all gothrough it and I think we need
to start normalizing that more,that we all have a process and
(36:35):
the process is just as importantas the highlight reel, as
getting to you know those high.
Whatever the success is for you.
It doesn't even matter what itis whatever the success is for
you.
So I love that.
I want to say a little bit aboutyour human design, because we
(36:57):
always kind of close with somehuman design.
I'm just going to bring up yourchart.
I want to say a little bitabout your human design and then
I'm going to give you a lastquestion and then a second to
kind of where can, where can wefollow up with you and all of
that.
So one of the things that Ireally like, I really love
(37:19):
actually the, the five oneprofile, which is your profile.
It's called the challengesolver and I've explained this
on podcasts before, but, likeour the numbers, they're called
lines.
The first line is the liberator.
The five line is called theliberator, the one line is the
(37:40):
knowledge seeker, or like theresearcher there's all these
different names for them um, sothe five line is really
interesting.
That's typically how we seeourselves.
So the five line is kind ofthis like um, save the day
energy.
We're here, like our five lines, typically five, one profile,
(38:02):
specifically, typically kind ofexude this, um like energy.
I don't want to, I don't wantto take it, take this kind of
with a grain of salt, cause it'snot like you're here to solve
everyone's problems, but you cansolve problems.
We'll say that.
And one of one of the five line, especially one of their
lessons in life, I say, is howto set boundaries.
(38:25):
I think we all have that lessonin life, but the five line a
little bit more is how to setboundaries, how to say no, like
just because I can do it,doesn't mean I have to do it and
help everyone.
And then that one line is theknowledge seeker.
So really I mean this comesthrough in our conversation very
clearly with you but learningnew modalities like Ayurveda and
(38:49):
all of these things and I alsocall them like the lifelong
learners I'm a one three, so Ihave the one line and I just
know like these are the pillarsof my business, but I'm always
going to be exploring otherwellness and healing modalities
and and I mean things outside of, outside of my business as well
(39:11):
Um, but it's a really, it's areally beautiful, it's a really
fun profile and it reallyhonestly it just kind of
encapsulates, like this HopeRose movement as well.
I feel like that.
Like that five one profile isis really um, supportive
(39:33):
supporter.
Supporter, supportive profileuh, personality traits.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
Yeah, I'm following it, I guess yeah, so, yeah, it's
so interesting to.
Yeah, I, I've done a littleresearch on it.
I is five that is the five linealso disruptive.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
I thought I had they could be for sure, disruptive
yeah.
Yeah, because it's more um theycould be disruptive.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Yeah, so I guess I'm thinking about like, the
liberation of like.
In order to liberate, we haveto like disrupt.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
Shift the way that we are doing things.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
Yeah, like shift, you know shift people's thinking of
like, oh, didn't know, I didn'tknow I had a choice, whatever
it might be.
You know, like mandates aren'ta law, there's just simply a
word.
You know I won't get toopolitical here.
Or, yeah, you know, settingboundaries, like I didn't know I
could set a boundary.
It's just like, I think,liberating.
(40:35):
I think, thank you for, yeah,sure, I didn't really realize
that about the five line, but Ithink that really fits in with
like my personality and like myoverall work.
Yeah, like I say, like mylife's purpose, you know, it was
like my work, like my passionof just like liberating people
from like the chains and thestructures and the confines of
(40:56):
whatever what they're you know,whether it's systems or
childhood, or you know, society,like whatever it is, like the
boxes we put ourselves in, right, the boxes we put ourselves in,
that the limitations we giveourselves of like no, that's not
possible.
Um and so, yeah, that's whatI'm really going to sit with
that.
So, thank you?
Speaker 1 (41:15):
Yay, oh, you're welcome.
So before the last questionwhere can people find you if
they want to continue followingyour story?
Where do you hang out the most?
Speaker 2 (41:26):
As you watch the alchemy and process along with
me.
Uh, I usually hang out onInstagram.
Uh, hope Rose speaks and that'slike across the platforms um,
as well as website, hope Rosespeakscom, so it's easy to find
me there.
I'm not sure what your nextquestion is, but the?
Um, the other website you cando new product I'm launching and
it helps people build healthyhabits and it's called heal by,
(41:48):
and that website is we healthyselfcom.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
Oh yeah, I know we didn't even get there, but
definitely check out thatwebsite and I will link
everything down below so peoplecan easily click on it.
Um, last question is if youwere standing on your stage that
you're going to someday and youhad one message to share with
the world, what would you share?
Speaker 2 (42:13):
No matter what you've been through, you're loved.
I see you, you are cared forand you're here for a purpose,
here for a reason, reason.
And everyone has a masterpieceinside them and it's covered up
(42:34):
by shame and fear and guilt andgrief and suppressed emotions
and systems and protocols andchains.
And my role is to reveal thatmasterpiece so that way everyone
can see that and benefit fromit, whether it be in their
family or their community.
And every masterpiece is unique.
So only you can paint yourmasterpiece, and so you know if
(42:56):
I was standing on the stage,it's like let's unearth your
masterpiece.
How can we paint you today?
Like what is the first step?
You need to kind of uncoveryour masterpiece so that way you
can benefit from it, but theworld gets to benefit from it as
well.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
Oh, I love that.
Thank you so much.
This was a really funconversation and thank you so
much for your time.
Thank you for coming on.
It was really great to chatwith you.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
Thank you, I really enjoyed being here.
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