January 19, 2025 • 57 mins
What if your health story was a journey to self-love & transformation? Today, I'm joined by Justin Nault, a nutritional therapist and former musician, to share his inspiring story of overcoming body dysmorphia and embracing authenticity. From growing up in the 90s under the influence of iconic action heroes to navigating the pressures of the music industry, Justin reveals how using food as medicine helped him develop a healthier relationship with his body. His unique perspective provides valuable insights into the power of embracing one's true self for lasting personal transformation.
We explore the intriguing parallels between dietary choices and addiction, dismantling the flawed foundations of conventional health advice. Discover how simplifying complex concepts like human design and cycle alignment can make them accessible to everyone, while emphasizing the critical role of self-love in breaking unhealthy eating habits. This episode challenges societal norms and encourages aligning lifestyles with true aspirations, offering practical strategies for transforming habits and reframing health perspectives.
Take charge of your health journey with the transformative power of self-love and authentic self-expression. From practical food swaps to the benefits of understanding your unique human design, we share personal experiences and client success stories that illustrate how a balanced lifestyle can be both rewarding and empowering.
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Speaker 1 (01:11):
Okay, welcome back to the podcast journey to well, I
am super excited to have JustinNault.
I didn't ask you how to sayyour last name, is that right?
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Nailed it.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Hey, there we go.
We have Justin on the podcast.
Today we're doing a little bitof a different conversation.
We're talking about nutritionand food as medicine and energy,
and I don't think that I havetalked to this topic on my
podcast, although I certainlytalk about it a lot on my social
(01:42):
media channels and my community, my coaching clients, I mean.
Everything is so connected.
So, justin, super excited tohave you on.
I start every podcast lettingmy guests introduce themselves
and share what they would liketo share about themselves.
So who is Justin?
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Oh man, that's a great question For me.
The most honest way for me toanswer that is that I am Justin.
You know it's like, honestly,my entire journey and the thing
that I try to teach more thananything else in my content we
can talk about nutrition, we cantalk about all the things is my
(02:23):
life's work has been becomingmore authentically me.
It's the single most importantthing I've ever done.
It's taken me 38 years to getto this version of self.
That is the one that I'm themost happy with the one that I'm
the most happy with, the onethat I love the most, the one
that experiences the most joyand depth of intimacy and
connection with others.
But it wasn't always that way,you know.
So with my coaching, I reallythink of myself I'm technically
(02:45):
a nutritional therapist, right,but I think of myself as an
architect of freedom is helpingpeople design the life that they
want to live, not the life thatthey were told that they should
.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Yeah, I love that.
It's true.
I think that's a lot of that'swhat we have in common.
A lot of what we have in commonis um, I think that's actually
I think I have it pulled upright now, cause I was just
sending someone a blurb aboutmyself.
I'm starting to teach inanother studio and part of my
(03:15):
little blurb, or bio, is justtalking about like, we spend so
much time being told who weshould be, being told how we
should eat, being told how weshould work out, being told what
we should do for work andwhat's successful and what the
meaning of success even is, andwe don't spend a lot of time
actually digging into who am I,who do I want to be, what's
(03:38):
important to me, what are mycore values?
So I like that that was theshortest intro but maybe the
most profound, so I love it.
Before I forget, I know I toldyou, but I love to interweave
human design, which is a hugetool of unearthing our
authenticity and who we reallyare.
(03:59):
So Justin is, excuse me, a 1-3sacral generator, so I like to
kind of give the top three.
We're going to talk a littlebit about human design at the
end, maybe I'll interweave it,but I really want to get into
the conversation of nutrition.
So I like to hear a little bitof backstory.
(04:20):
What got you here?
What brought you into learningabout nutrition?
Learning about food as medicine, using food for energy and
eating whole foods all of thosegood things.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, I couldn't function as a
generator without energy.
But you know, the whole storyis, I think a lot of influencers
today like the term influencer,whatever it means are mostly
just sharing their own story,right, there are like
entertainment influencers thatare like dancing or whatever,
and then there are those of usthat are actually sharing a
transformation story that is ourown, that's impacted us.
(04:56):
And now for me, right, I'vegotten to see the ripple effects
of me sharing what worked forme and that, having worked for
thousands of people.
Now, you know, but for me, Ithink it was similar to a lot of
people's journey is that I grewup in the nineties, so, uh, the
politically incorrect term wasI was a fat kid, it's what they
call me you know, and I got kindof teased by my brother and his
friends and stuff.
But it was also and I was bornin 86.
(05:18):
So my childhood was really likethe glory days of action films
like Arnold Schwarzenegger,sylvester Stallone, jean-claude
Van Damme, and I was obsessedman.
I was like I'm just gonna bethe shredded hero I will save
everyone.
But I was.
I was a chubby kid, you know.
So I just developed tremendousbody dysmorphia at a very and it
followed me, no problem.
(05:38):
It followed me through, youknow, high school, which was
very challenging, but then I wasa performer.
I played my first, you know,really large local talent show.
I was playing piano and singingwhen I was 16 and the town went
crazy.
I ended up on the news.
I became a professionalmusician at age 17, getting paid
to play, and then that led meto go into Berkeley College of
(05:58):
Music in Boston and I got adegree in songwriting.
And then I went down toNashville and I had a 15 year
music career and I played 300shows a year, right?
So if you just picture like ateenager with body dysmorphia
now literally living under thespotlight, you know.
So it followed me into my 20sin a really in a bad way and for
me it was just always fitness.
I was like I will outwork thisbody of mine.
(06:20):
That's the most common thingthat I see today is people
really look at their body as anenemy.
It's like, why won't this bodydo what I want to do?
I want to cooperate.
Why doesn't it look the way Iwant it to look?
I'm doing all the hard work andI'm constantly punishing myself
and no pain, no gain, and Ijust can't get the six pack
right.
It's like you're never workingwith your body, you're working
directly against it, like it'san enemy.
So in Boston I was bodybuildingin the morning before class and
(06:44):
then I'd leave class and then Iwas training boxing and then
when I got to Nashville, it wastwice a day CrossFit and I
started powerlifting and then Igot certified in kettlebells and
I became a purple belt injujitsu and it was just like, no
matter what, it was alwaysthrough the fitness angle, just
like punishing my body duringthe day and then basically
working graveyard shift, likeI'm getting on stage at 9 PM and
(07:04):
going to bed at 6 AM, right.
So it's like my circadianrhythm was trash, Like
everything was just it wasworking directly against my
health and I'm also punishingmyself during the day.
So it's like the catastrophiclike impact that was having on
my energy levels and my mentalhealth and all these things.
And that was when I ended up,you know, hiring my first talk
therapist in my late twenties.
But really the catalyst for thenutrition stuff was I had found
(07:25):
the paleo diet and felt amazing,like very quickly I started
dropping body fat and I was likewhoa, this is like a cheat code
, like there's something to thisnutrition thing.
And at right around that sametime my niece was born
terminally disabled.
So she was having over 300seizures a day and she went
straight into the pediatric ICU.
They gave her less than threeyears to live, they hooked her
(07:47):
up to all these differentmachines and stuff and
eventually they had to installwhat's called a G tube.
If a child can't eat or drink,they put a G tube in their
stomach and feed them through atube.
So that was when I wasintroduced to the ketogenic diet
.
In in a medical situation, theketogenic diet is used to
suppress symptoms in infants,children, toddlers there's a
whole foundation called theCharlie foundation that
specializes in this.
(08:08):
Um Savannah did not turn out tobe epileptic, but across the
board they're like, if you'rehaving seizures and we can't
diagnose this, we're going toput you on a keto diet.
So, there's a baby formulacalled KetoCal that is, Gerber
makes this baby formula andthey're owned by Nestle and all
the beautiful governmentcorruption that goes into that.
Our tax dollars subsidize it togive it to these little babies.
And I had already become anutrition, a nutritional
(08:30):
therapist at that point and Ihad a client of one and it was
me.
I was just like I'm going tolearn the depths of this for
myself, you know, and um, I knewjust enough to annoy the
doctors, Right.
And I asked the doctor.
I said look at theseingredients.
It's, it's high fat, low carb,it's technically keto, but it's.
The fat is all hydrogenatedvegetable oils.
And then it's artificial flavorsand sweeteners, synthetic
(08:50):
versions of vitamins that thebody can't use well or even
blocks receptors in some cases.
So I brought up the attentionof like a world renowned
neurologist and he looks at meand he goes huh, I never thought
to check that and that was it.
That's literally like how wegot here, cause I was so angry,
like it.
Just the level of rage.
I can't even listen to my, myoriginal podcasts, like the
first hundred podcasts.
(09:11):
I where I am.
Just like everyone needs toknow the truth.
You know, and I startedstudying, you know, human
metabolism, biochemistry andbiology.
I started just orderingtextbooks to my house, like
training myself on textbooks,and then I created a baby
formula for Savannah in mykitchen using alio friendly
superfoods, food dehydrators andprocessors, and I eventually
(09:32):
worked with a food and beverageconsulting company and released
my first product online.
I basically turned that babyformula into a protein powder
that I started selling toCrossFitters.
And I just started going onFacebook live and sharing what I
was learning about, like thehorrors of mainstream medicine
and the truth about food versuspoison and the corruption
between big food and big pharmaand all these things like
mainstream medicine being thethird leading cause of death in
(09:52):
America Right, and that's how wegot here.
You know, I started reallydoing the thing online about
eight years ago and now I'm herewith you, with you know 650,000
followers and thousands oftransformation stories that I'm
unbelievably grateful for.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Wow, I love that.
Now I'm going to have to goback and listen to your first
100 podcasts.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Oh man, be prepared.
It's like a power lifting, justlike alpha.
I will take down the wholesystem.
It was crazy A lot of personaldevelopment between then and now
.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Man.
I mean, of course, when youhave something that hits so
close to home, of course there'sgonna be so much anger.
I think also whenever wefinally realize something like
it might be common knowledge toother people, but stuff that we
don't know or we're not educatedon, I think, unfortunately, a
lot of people don't understand alot of these things that you're
(10:46):
taught not understand.
I'm sorry, don't know a lot ofthese things that you're talking
about, but whenever we learnsomething that we figure out
that we've been taught the exactopposite our whole lives, of
course there's so much anger andthere's so much frustration,
and behind that, of course, is alot of sadness, and there's
always.
There's always a lot of sadnessin nutrition.
(11:06):
For me, part of my story is Igrew up my mom has her
undergraduate degree innutrition, her master's degree
in counseling, and so I grew up.
My mom has her undergraduatedegree in nutrition, her
master's degree in counseling,and so I grew up knowing how to
read a nutrition label and youknow miles more than I do, but I
know enough.
You know, like I know enough ofif it says nonfat there's, you
(11:29):
know what else is in it, likethere's something that's making
it nonfat.
They probably don't want to beeating.
Or if it says you know, nosugar, diet coke is better than
regular coke, like all of thesethings.
And I didn't realize how much Iknew because I grew up that way
.
And then I go off to collegeand I see how the average
american eats college in thesouth too, mind you.
(11:52):
So you know we love the sweettea, we love the like fried
chicken, all of that, and I loveit.
Um, but seeing how these people, the average American, is
eating and and seeing how youknow people do go for the nonfat
things because it says no fatin in the label, um, I'm seeing
(12:12):
the manipulation.
I mean so much, so much sadnessthere.
So it's so interesting.
So I'm curious.
One of my biggest what's theword?
One of the things that's mostimportant to me on this platform
, on my platform, is makingthese really big topics like
human design, like cyclealignment, really easily
(12:34):
digestible and very easy to biteoff and chew.
For the person that doesn'tknow anything, because you've
spent how long did you say 20years, 15, 10 years, however
long studying this and all thetextbooks and all the books and
podcasts and education, and tosomeone that is listening to
this.
It's like I need to eathealthier.
(12:56):
I know that, but is sooverwhelmed because they don't
even know where to start.
Where do we start?
Speaker 2 (13:03):
I love this question.
I fundamentally believe like ifyou can't explain something in
a way that clicks for a thirdgrader, then you don't fully
understand the thing you'retalking about Right, and it's I
I did.
There was 10 years of intenserabbit holing how to read
scientific studies, like so Iwouldn't just read an abstract,
like I needed to learn howstudies were conducted, and all
these things.
Over time it became where I'velanded now.
(13:25):
The reason why my my content isso simple is because I think
the entire industry is built ona foundation of error.
The randomized control trial,built on a foundation of error.
It literally can't provecausation, the way that it's
designed, and we hold it up asthe holy grail of the scientific
community, right.
So I had to go deeper anddeeper and deeper and deeper to
be able to realize oh, if it'sbuilt on a foundation of error,
(13:48):
then the results of that systemare going to be catastrophically
bad.
If we take a look at the last 70years of human health, right,
90% of the population has atleast one marker of clinical
metabolic dysfunction.
The average person in their 50sis on 12 prescription
medications.
75% of the population is eitheroverweight or obese.
45% of children are obese.
(14:09):
Mainstream medicine is thethird leading cause of death in
America.
We spent tens of trillions ofdollars on a war on cancer and
survival rates are exactly thesame, we have made no progress,
right?
So when you really start tolook at the thing, you're like
oh okay, what I have to do toget healthy is the exact
opposite of what the entiremainstream is telling me to do.
And it turns out that's true innutrition, it's true in fitness
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, it's true in romanticrelationships, it's true in
parenting, it's true in makingmoney, it's true in everything.
So the last 10 years of my lifewere a journey of undoing all
of society's programming on myown human psyche.
Right?
It's like I was raised in apublic school system.
I have to raise my hand to goto the bathroom and if someone
tells me no, I now need tosuppress suppress my body's
(14:53):
intuition survival mechanism touse the restroom Cause someone
else told me I'm not allowed,right?
So this is where we get intothe illusion of authority.
Now, I just gave you this reallycomplex, convoluted answer.
To bring it back to simplicity,which is the people that don't
understand because they haven'tbeen exposed to this stuff.
They've just taught the foodpyramid when they were growing
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up.
The simple litmus test is foodversus poison.
I teach everyone food versuspoison, because if you only eat
food and you don't consumepoison all of the complicated
stuff goes out the window.
You do not have to countcalories, you don't need to
punish yourself in the gym forhours per day.
You don't need to takemedications.
You don't need to takesupplements.
I own two supplement companiesand I'm telling you you don't
(15:36):
need to take supplements if youget this stuff right.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
I was going to ask you about that.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Exactly Like if you're not getting it right.
I make supplements that canhelp you start to get it right.
But, supplements are only meantto supplement the perfect things
you're already doing in yourlifestyle, right?
So I always say this like if Isay if I could take you know
children and ask them thisquestion, any adult will pass
this test.
If I say there are two foods,one has to be called food and
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the other has to be calledpoison, you have to pick one
Food.
Number one is steak.
Option number two is strawberrypop tarts.
Tell me which one is food andtell me which one is poison.
They can't both be food andthey can't both be poison.
You have to choose.
Nobody fails that test.
100% of people will say the poptarts are poison and the steak
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is food.
Right?
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
That's it, You're done.
I have nothing else to teachyou Right?
So 99% of my coaching is tryingto figure out why people won't
do it.
Why they won't get rid of thepop tarts, why they won't get
rid of the wonder bread, whythey won't get rid of the
Doritos and the Diet Coke, whythey won't stop pulling into the
drive-thru on the way home fromwork, right?
(16:48):
So, ironically, I became anutritional therapist as a title
, because I was studyingepigenetics.
Turns out, most of my work islife coaching and therapy.
Trying to help people understandwhy they choose things that
they know are terrible forthemselves, and trying to help
them understand that they'vebuilt a life for themselves that
is completely out of alignmentwith the person that they
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actually want to be in the world.
So using food like adissociative drug.
It's the same way that somebodywho has been deeply traumatized
or comes from a horrible placewith poverty and violence, they
may choose to use something likemeth or heroin because why, why
not?
Why do they care?
Right Now it seems extreme tojump to that like meth versus
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food, but that's literally whatwe're dealing with here is like
people are finding a way todissociate from their lives with
food, and the mainstream hasgiven them this idea that if
they just restrict calories,they'll be healthy.
What they're doing is strippingaway energy from their body,
and we see it all the time I didan Instagram reel on this the
other day where, like peoplewake up and the first two, three
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meals of the day it's like I'mgoing to have a hard boiled egg
for breakfast or I'm going toskip breakfast, or at lunch I'm
going to have like a light saladand a diet Coke, and it's like
this constant starvation,starvation, starvation.
Then 10 PM rolls around andthey're trying to figure out why
they just ate a full pint ofBen and Jerry's and they blame
themselves.
Oh, I'm realizing.
(18:13):
They have starved themselvesfor an entire day.
They need calories and food tosurvive.
They're never going tooverpower the lizard brain
inside of them that says we havea very calorically dense and
energy dense food in front of us.
That is this Ben and Jerry's.
I'm going to send a signal toyour brain I'm going to
overpower you and you're goingto eat the whole thing.
Right?
You blame yourself instead ofblaming the terrible information
(18:35):
that you've been given aboutdiet and nutrition.
Does that make sense?
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Absolutely there's so much like there's so much.
But I love that you justbrought up that point and I love
that you brought up that it'slike a neurological thing
because we do, we have so muchshame and guilt and we can I
mean, like you said, we can godown all of the rabbit holes
right, like relationship guiltand shame and parenting guilt
(19:02):
and shame.
But just talking aboutnutrition and bringing up the
point of it's, it's kind of thethe your brain, it's your brain.
So how do we go about andchange that?
I would love to talk aboutbreakfast specifically.
Are you a like breakfastsupporter?
Start your day off.
(19:22):
That's where my brain's going.
But how do we go about startingto change that so we don't find
ourselves coming to the end ofthe day having that pint of Ben
and Jerry's?
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Yeah, I'm gonna go simple and then a little more
complex, because I think it'simportant for people to
understand what's happening atthe level of your neurology and
why this is happening so you canstop blaming yourself for it.
Right, it's like the idea ofbreakfast being the most
important meal of the day wasmarketing, right, but it was
only marketing post the 1950sand the advent of hyperpalatable
, ultra processed foods likemapo and cereal and this kind of
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stuff right, because prior, inthe 1930s and 20s and I can tell
you amazing statistics aboutthat time when humans were
eating more than 4 000 caloriesa day and it was all like red
meat, whole milk, homemade bread, all these things right.
So the idea of breakfast beingimportant is very true, but it's
not very true, like if, if theif the option is like I'm either
going to skip breakfast or I'mgoing to eat a whole wheat,
(20:17):
whole wheat bagel and a and abowl of special K cereal with
milk, right.
Like if that's your breakfastoption, skip it.
But I have a rule within all myprograms is 30, 30 grams of
protein within 30 minutes ofwaking up.
So you get an approved foodslist.
For me it's over 110 foods youcan choose from.
But if something's not on thatlist, you don't eat it, period.
We don't do cheat days, wedon't do cheat meals, none of
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that right.
Within 30 minutes of waking up,you're consuming 30 grams of
protein.
And I coach people how can youdo it?
How can you make it moreconvenient?
Blah, blah, blah.
Because protein is the let'sget to work right.
So the protein is incrediblyimportant and the reason for
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this when you talked about, likeat the level of your brain, the
hypothalamus, is what controlswhether or not you're hungry.
It's called your satietyhormones, right, like whether
you're feeling hungry or whetheryou're feeling satiated.
So in the past there's a flavoron your tongue called umami.
There are taste buds thatrecognize the umami flavor, this
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kind of salty, savory, kind ofsweet flavor, right?
Historically, the only place wewould have found that in nature
is animal blood.
So the moment that taste bud isactivated, it's sending a
signal to your body that we areabout to receive protein and the
body gets to work.
Before you've even swallowedyour first bite of food.
It's creating the perfectamount of stomach acid and bile
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that's going to break downprotein and then amino acids are
going to enter your bloodstreamand your body knows what to do
just from what it's tasting onyour tongue.
Wow and your body knows what todo just from what it's tasting
on your tongue.
Fast forward to today and wehave food engineers who are
salaried scientists, who designfood to taste like umami.
This is like a bag of potatochips, like kind of a sweet,
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salty, savory flavor.
So the brain is getting asignal that you're eating
protein.
The next thing you know you'veconsumed 500 calories of potato
chips and there's no protein inthe system, no protein.
Body goes yeah.
So your body says something iswrong, we're not getting enough
protein and sends a signal toeat more.
(22:25):
So this is why you can.
You can look up.
10 minutes have passed andyou've eaten a full bag of lay's
potato chips and you're likewhat just happened?
Right, whereas if I said, goeat a pound of boneless,
skinless chicken breast and tellme how easy that is for you to
do, it's going to be nearimpossible.
But the potato chips are a cinchbecause they are designed by
engineers to be as hyperpalatable and addictive as
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possible.
So people are blamingthemselves when they're actually
consuming foods that aredesigned to hijack their brain
to make them eat.
It's astonishing.
It's very powerful stuff.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Yeah, wild.
So here's my next question then.
Okay, I imagine and I've hadthese conversations with clients
, with friends, I imagine peoplelistening they're like I can't
eat Lay's potato chips.
Like if I talk to Justin, he'sgoing to tell me I can't eat Ben
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and Jerry's and you alreadysaid no cheat days.
Like how do we do that?
Used to consuming fast food,you're used to having a
croissant in the morning forbreakfast or what did he say?
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Special K?
How do we go from that to wholefoods?
So step one is self-love, right, it's one of the more I would
say.
Some people call itcontroversial opinions.
I have, but the obesityepidemic is really a self-love
epidemic.
Wow.
It's very difficult for you toconsistently choose to poison
yourself every day and to lookin a mirror and hate your own
body and still continue to makethe same choices every day.
It's very difficult to do that.
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If you deeply love yourself,you will want what's best for
yourself and you will choosewhat's best for yourself.
So every program that I havestarts with self-love.
I'm going to ask you to standin a mirror, look yourself in
the eyes and say I love you outloud 10 times.
And I don't care if you'refaking it in the beginning,
you're going to do it every dayIf you don't do it every day.
I'm going to hold youaccountable, Right.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Can we pause?
Can I say something?
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Of course.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
I don't typically share like a lot of it.
Keep going with the steps.
But I have to say somethingabout this.
I don't typically share like somuch of my vulnerability.
But uh, I was just.
You know, we go down rabbitholes, whatever.
Everyone has bad days.
Let's just say that.
So I was just talking to one ofmy friends and I was like I feel
(24:48):
like I am so rigid on what Ieat, like I I went to my
sister's house for dinner andshe had peppermint gluten-free
Oreos and I'm gluten-free mostly.
So she's like, do you want someOreos?
I was like fuck, yeah, ofcourse.
Like love, I used to eat Oreos.
I haven't had Oreos in years.
And so I was reflecting on thatand I was like I think that I'm
(25:08):
just so rigid, like I don'treally have.
I allow myself to eat ice cream.
That's like my favorite food,but otherwise, like I don't
really eat a lot of junk food.
I don't keep junk food in thehouse for my consumption because
I don't like it.
And I'm like being so hard onmyself.
I'm like I'm so rigid and myfriend goes she's like how I see
(25:29):
it is that you love yourself somuch that you won't feed your
body that junk.
You don't want to feed yourbody that junk and you
appreciate your body and you'retaking care of your body.
And I was like, of course Icried.
So I'm like, of course that'swhere it's rooted in and that's
where it stems from and that'swhat I have said in the past.
You're saying like, you'respeaking my mind like literal
(25:52):
words that I've said in the pastof I love myself so much that
I'm not going to do this.
And it's not about restriction,it's actually about I love
myself and I feel better.
Like once you do this, you dofeel better.
And then you kind of get to thepoint where you're like why am I
going to go get blackout drunk?
Why am I going to eat a pint ofBen and Jerry's when I
literally feel like dying thenext day?
(26:14):
What's the point?
So, anyway, I had to share thatbecause I that's just like a
realistic, because I do thinkpeople get a little like oh yeah
, I love myself, though, like I,I do love myself and I
appreciate myself, and and Ilook in the mirror and I tell
myself, you know, and like, wekind of just like, brush it off,
but we all struggle withself-love.
(26:36):
We all do from time to time andto different degrees, and you
can still come back and likehopefully you have friends, like
like my beautiful friend, tolike check you and remind you of
how much you love yourself andremind you of the things that
you do, so continue.
I love that you and remind youof how much you love yourself
and remind you of the thingsthat you do, so continue I love
(26:56):
that you shared.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
It's important that you share that right because,
like, the most powerful thingswe have are the stories of our
own transformation and whatworks for us, you know so so
many people are going to feelseen in what you just said and
it's like self-love is not like.
It's like six-pack abs, right,like.
People come to me I wantsix-pack abs and I'm like okay,
when you achieve six-pack abs,what happens next?
What's the rest of your life?
Look like, do you just go backto doing the daily actions you
(27:20):
were taking when you didn't havesix-pack abs and you just erase
the six-pack like, or do youcontinue?
Like what?
What does what changes in yourlife?
What comes next?
Right?
So this is the thing withself-love is people will walk
around.
Oh, yeah, I, yeah, I lovemyself, right, it's like no,
because these people are makingcommitments.
It's like we're in January.
We're right around the timewhere 85 percent of people's New
Year's resolutions fail.
(27:48):
Yeah, it's like if you're aparent and you tell your child
hey, soccer practice ends at 3o'clock, by 3.05,.
I'm going to pull up in the carand you'll be sitting on the
curb and you're going to hop inthe car.
I'll be there, kiddo, and I'lltake you home.
We'll have dinner and then youjust don't show up, you just
leave the kid there all night,right?
No, you wouldn't do that.
You'd be a total fucking rightbarring.
(28:14):
You got in a car accident andcalled a family member and they
went and picked up the kid.
You would go out of your way tomake sure that that little kid
is the commitment is kept tothat kid and he's picked up from
soccer practice and driven homein a safe way.
Right, yeah.
But you'll tell yourself like,oh, I'm gonna eat clean for the
next 30 days and a weekend.
You break that commitment toyourself yeah we are all little
children in grownup bodies.
That's it.
Not a single one of us is agrownup, all right.
(28:36):
And this is where we go back intime, like your, your ego, your
shadow, the way you feel aboutyourself.
Again, you have to raise yourhand to go to the bathroom.
This is all programming fromchildhood that carries us into
adulthood, right?
So I understand when people arelike, oh, what do you mean?
I can't eat Lay's potato chips?
Right, I'm like, yeah, where.
Like, oh, what do you mean?
I can't eat Lay's potato chips?
Right, I'm like, yeah, whereare you at?
You're coming to me and you'resaying I hate my body, I hate
the way I feel, I'm insecure.
(28:57):
It's ruining my romanticrelationship, I have no libido,
I'm snappy with my kids,everything is just like doom and
gloom.
And I'm like, yeah, we'reprobably going to give up the
Lay's.
You tell me that you wantchange, but you don't actually
want to change any of youractions.
Then the change is never goingto happen.
(29:19):
So we start with self-lovefirst, but step two, the light
at the end of the tunnel here isI am yet to find a junk food
that I have not been able toreplace with a version of that
food that has no poison in it.
So again, we're talking aboutfood versus poison.
So my foods list has 110 singleingredient.
Whole foods to choose from?
Yeah, but then I give theexample of, like a chocolate sea
(29:41):
salt RX bar or a Boulder Canyonpotato chips.
Right, the ingredients inBoulder Canyon potato chips are
potatoes, avocado oil, sea salt.
All three of those singleingredients are on my foods list
, which makes that packaged foodan approved food.
If you go to Lay's potato chips, it's going to be canola oil.
(30:04):
That is not an approved food.
Don't eat that seed oil.
So just swap for Boulder Canyonpotato chips, right?
If you usually eat Snickersbars, I'm going to direct you to
Unreal Candy, which is aversion of a Snickers bar that
doesn't have artificial foodcolorings and dyes and seed oils
in it.
If you like tortilla chips,we're going to switch you to
Siete brand tortilla chips,right?
(30:25):
Like?
There are all these differentthings that we can do.
But then again people slipimmediately into victimhood and
they say, well, the Unreal candyis three times more expensive
than the Snickers bar.
And I say okay.
So now you're saying that thedifference in $4 or price or
whatever is worth more than yourhealth.
And then we go down the rabbithole of the average 40 year old
(30:46):
woman with one chronic healthcondition is going to spend
$300,000 more out of pocket onmedical care than someone who
doesn't have that chroniccondition.
So if you want to pretend thatthe Snickers bar is less
expensive, than the one withoutpoison in it.
Again, like I teach philosophy,I don't teach nutrition.
(31:07):
Right, I'm asking people toadopt a philosophy that I have
created, that I've come up withover 20 years of doing this, and
it's simple, right.
The same way, all of myprograms are guaranteed right.
Do this for 90 days.
If your life doesn't get better, come tell me about it.
I have no fear.
I guarantee you, if you do it,your life is going to get better
.
Right, but it does requirechange, and it's just focused in
(31:30):
a different direction, rightLike change.
And it's just focused in adifferent direction, right Like
the beginning of my career withClovis, my first company.
I was still playing 300 shows ayear as a musician.
So the difference is am I goingto pull into Chick-fil-A or am
I going to pull into the Krogeror the HEB or the Aldi?
Speaker 1 (31:47):
that's right.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Next door and get myself like a chocolate, sea
salt RX bar and an organicbanana and a coconut water for
my travel snack?
Or am I going to get friedchicken and Chick-fil-A Like why
one is poison and one is food?
Why would I do that to myself?
It's the same amount of time.
It takes me five minutes towalk into the grocery store.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
You see what I'm saying so.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
It's just like where your focus goes.
It's not any more difficult.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
It's just different.
I think that we make it.
What I'm thinking of is like,how cool is it that we live in a
time where we can go get thatRX bar, where we can go get that
banana at a grocery store thatis?
I mean, I've never seen, youknow, a grocery store that's
like less accessible than a fastfood joint.
I, of course, I mean, of coursethere's going to be like ones
that's a little bit closer, butyeah, what is it worth to you?
And I think that we do use thatexcuse a lot, that it's more
(32:40):
time consuming.
That's what I've always heard.
Because my brain, when you'relike you can't have Lay's potato
chips, I'm like, oh, just makeyour own potato chips, buy the
potato, slice it up, fry potatochips.
Like, buy the potato, slice itup, fry it in your avocado or
olive oil or whatever you wantto fry it in.
And you're like, oh, just goget these, like Boulder.
I'm like what a world we livein.
(33:02):
Like you don't have to go makeyour own Snickers bar, which I
also have done.
Like, made my own little peanutbutter cups and I mean they're
amazing, I love them.
But you also do spend an hourin the kitchen, you know, and
with potato chips, gosh youwould make, you'd make quite the
mess, but you can do it.
But what a world we live inwhere we can make those easy
(33:23):
switches and it's not super timeconsuming and, yeah, sure, it's
an investment.
That was another thing.
Like my mom, that's a corevalue of mine is food is an
investment, and I'm investing inmy body, like that's what's
been drained into my brain.
So I will go to Whole Foods, Iwill go to the grocery store,
(33:46):
easily spend however much I needto spend, because I will buy,
you know, the Whole Foods,whatever the organic which I'm,
the whatever, um, the organicwhich I'm sure we could have a
whole conversation about.
But I buy, I buy the wholefoods, um, and it's not like I'm
.
I'm so thankful that that is myperspective and you don't have
(34:06):
to be born into a family likethat.
You can make that yourperspective, you can choose.
You know even just a littlemantra Like I, I am woo, woo and
I am crunchy.
So I would say like thank you,thank you for whatever, thank
you God, thank you universe,thank you Whoever you want to
thank, thank you my bank accountfor being able to afford this
(34:27):
money and bless it before you gospend that money and it will
come back to you either in goodhealth or or or money.
Uh, it always does.
It always comes back to youwhen we're buying things, when
we're investing in things withthat intention.
It will always the abundancemindset right.
(34:47):
It'll always come back to you.
That's what you're trying tosee in the world yeah, it's the
difference between.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
I try to help shift people out of the.
There's a concept called learnhelplessness, um throughout like
scientific research literaturethroughout the last hundred
years or whatever right andlearn helplessness is the way
that animals will just stoptrying right.
It's like if you have a littlebaby elephant in the circus.
It's a little baby and they tieits leg up and they put a post
in the ground and it's likepulling at the post.
It's trying to get away.
It can't get away.
(35:13):
It can't get away.
For years it can't get awayfrom this thing.
It then grows into a three tonelephant and they put the same
little stake in the ground withthe rope around its arm and it
doesn't even try to escape.
That giant animal could popthat thing out of the out of the
ground, destroy the entirecircus and run away and nobody
could do anything about it.
Doesn't even try.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Haven't there been studies where it's
generationally too?
It's like that offspring theydo it with the offspring, and
the offspring who never likelearned that it couldn't get
away, still won't try to getaway.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Yes, they've done studies on that with rodents.
They've done it with monkeys,they've done it with all sorts
of animals.
Right, it's like, yes, theywill learn generation to
generation.
It's the same way too.
Like people love to say that,like diabetes, obesity runs in
my family.
No, it doesn't.
Habits run in your family.
The way you were taught to eatmonkey, see, monkey, do.
You did what mom did.
You did what dad did.
(36:05):
Right, like a family dinner toyou might look the way that it
looked when you were a kid, andnow you're feeding that to your
kids.
Right, it's just.
It's monkey, see, monkey, do.
It's this, it's thegenerational stuff.
So I'm trying to shift peopleout of learned helplessness and
to get into the actual woo-wooor what is legit, just quantum
mechanics.
You are the creator of your ownreality, period.
So this whole thing oh, what doyou mean?
(36:26):
I can't have laser.
Well, it's too expensive.
If every single way that I tellyou you can transform your life
for the better is immediatelymet with an objection in your
mind, you are living invictimhood.
You're living in learnedhelplessness Because if I can do
it, you can do it.
Right?
When I left the music industry,I walked away from 95% of my
income.
I left a whole identity.
I have a program now called theIdentity Upgrade.
(36:47):
Because I did this, 95% of myincome evaporated overnight.
It was broker than I'd beensince I was 18 years old.
I left an entire industry andan identity behind Right and I
started over here I am, if you,if I can do it, you can do it.
There's a blueprint to do itRight and that's like.
People come into my programsand I present them with a
blueprint.
I spent all of my coaching timetrying to figure out why they
(37:11):
won't follow the blueprint.
They will continue to chooselearned helplessness and choose
victimhood right.
It's astonishing.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
It's not an easy thing to change and I
acknowledge that it's not,especially if you are raised.
We actually talk about this inhuman design.
It's conditioning.
Actually I'm going to betalking about this, uh, next
month is looking at your opencenters in human design and
looking at where theconditioning came in, where I
(37:42):
mean we can just talk about this, not in human design terms of
yeah, like how, how I was raised.
When we're raised with thismoney mindset that there's never
enough because our parentsnever had enough money, we adopt
that and that's exactly whatyou're talking about.
But it doesn't have to be yourreality.
I think is what I'm hearing yousay.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
Yeah, and this is huge, right, because I love the
example of New Year'sresolutions.
Like the reason why New Year'sresolutions fail, right, like if
somebody has not done anyphysical activity for the last
year, they've eating.
They don't know how manycalories they're eating.
They're eating junk food andfast food and whatever.
And then january 1st comes andthey say I'm gonna go to the gym
five days a week, I'm gonna eat1200 calories, I'm gonna eat
super clean, right?
This is an example of very lowself-worth and very low
(38:28):
self-love.
Reason being you are settingyourself up for failure on
purpose so you can fulfill abunch of false beliefs.
The first false belief that youalways fail, no matter what.
No diet ever works for you.
I've tried everything andnothing works for me.
I've tried everything.
No, you haven't.
You've tried the same thingwith a thousand different names.
It's all restriction.
We're going to teach you how tostop restricting and feed
(38:48):
yourself enough food to be ahealthy person right.
But the second part of that isthat getting healthy sucks.
People believe getting healthysucks our whole life.
We've heard no pain, no gain,right, it's a caloric
restriction, calorie deficit,you need to exercise more, right
.
All these things.
It's like constantself-punishment, constant
(39:10):
restriction, constant sacrifice.
We have a story from themainstream directly that we've
all been taught since we werelittle kids Getting healthy
sucks.
You don't get to eat yourfavorite foods, you got to go to
the gym.
The whole process sucks, right.
And I try to flip that on itshead and help people see, like
if you are part of a programthat is telling you it's going
(39:31):
to make you healthy and it'smaking you miserable and it's
painful, fire that person andget someone who knows what
they're doing, because gettinghealthy should only feel good,
period.
It's like you said, once youadopt this right.
I've had people that'll followmy foods list for 30 days and
then they're like yeah, I'mgoing to see.
I know Justin talks about cheatdays, whatever.
(39:52):
Like I'm going to my friend'shouse.
I'm going to like I'm going tosee.
I know Justin talks about cheatdays, whatever.
Like I'm going to my friend'shouse.
I'm going to like I'm going todrink a couple of beers and have
some Domino's pizza.
Right, they text me the nextday.
Dude, I feel like I am dying.
I can't get out of bed.
My head is throbbing.
Like I've been in the bathroomall morning, like what is going
on yesterday, and I'm likethrowing up blah, blah, blah.
And I'm like, yeah, becauseyour entire life you have been
(40:14):
poisoning yourself every singleday.
And this is the first 30 daysin your whole life where we
removed all the poison andhelped your body recover.
And then you went and picked upthe poison and tried it again
and your body was like oh hell,no, we're not going back to this
, you know, and that's reallylike all.
All chronic disease is like all.
Chronic disease is metabolic atits core.
(40:35):
And it's all the direct resultof your body not having a long
enough period of time with zeropoison on its face.
That's the truth about healthand wellness.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
Yeah, it's super interesting when you shift your
diet, your body also stopscraving it, and I think that we
don't realize that and we don'ttalk about it enough.
I mean, you did a beautiful jobtouching on how addictive these
foods are and so, of course, ifyou have it, you're going to.
(41:07):
Maybe you'll have more Lay'schips in that one sitting.
But I remember, like when Ireally took a lot of time, a lot
of mindfulness, to like cutsugar out of refined sugar out
of my diet, and then I'm like,huh, I haven't had ice cream or
whatever the Oreos in months andI don't actually want them,
(41:30):
like I don't, I think you doneed to give yourself.
I don't.
I think you do need to giveyourself.
I don't think you, I know youneed to give yourself time to
maybe it's that 30 days.
I'm sure you would have abetter timeline, but you need to
give yourself that time foryour body to let it go out of
your entire system.
And then, uh, yeah, maybe giveit.
(41:52):
Give yourself that time to liketry it again, see how you feel,
but you will feel shitty, itwill be terrible, and then you
get to that point of and Ireally believe, aside in
addition to that self-love.
I really do believe that changecomes from.
What is that quote?
Like you change when beinguncomfortable surpasses living
(42:14):
in that comfortable state.
And when you get souncomfortable, whether you hate
yourself, like you realize thatit really is a self-love issue,
whether you're just like I'mlike way too fucking fat and
like I am just uncomfortable allthe time, whether it's pain,
whether it's hatred, whetherit's a diagnosis, whether it's,
you know, a change in your life.
Like you get pregnant or youget married or somebody dies and
(42:36):
you really have that wake upcall.
That's when we change.
Typically, it doesn't have tobe that way.
That's a big part of myphilosophy is like we don't have
to wait.
But honestly, that kind of isthe root of what I've
experienced in my life is when,when that uncomfortability
surpasses us, wanting to stay inour comfort zone, that's when
(43:00):
we'll, that's when we'll start,that's when we're like, or when
we say you know, I've triedeverything else, might as well,
just try what Justin is spewingout, might as well, like who
cares.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
No, you're spot on it .
The way that I describe it'sjust another way to say it, but
I tell every client you chooseyour rock bottom.
Rock bottom is completelysubjective, right.
There are some people we hearthe horror stories, right, and
if I'm in Austin and I drive bya tent city or see some like
situation like that, it's likethere are some people where
their rock bottom is theirentire family no longer speaks
(43:31):
to them.
They lost all their money andthey live under a bridge and
they put needles in their arm.
For some people that is theirrock bottom.
For some people, with food,their rock bottom is their 600
pounds and the doctor's like ifyou don't get this sleeve
surgery, you're going to die,and that's the first time that
they take it seriously.
Or they get a stage two cancerdiagnosis.
Wait, what just happened?
You know what I'm saying.
Like it's, it's.
(43:52):
You choose your rock bottom andif you're listening to this
right now and this is resonatingwith you or some of it felt
like a gut punch or like yournerve endings are tingling or
whatever it's like, now's thetime.
Don't sleep on that there.
You don't need to go furtherdownhill before you make the
decision that you're going tocreate a new reality for
yourself.
It's up to you.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
I love that, I love that.
So we're going to wrap up.
I want to give a really helpfultool, a human design tool.
But before I we talk, humandesign.
Last question if you werestanding on a stage and you had
one minute, two minutes, toshare the most important thing,
the most important message toyou, what would it be?
Speaker 2 (44:39):
it would have to be radical, authentic
self-expression more thananything else.
Right, that is actually themost common thing that I see in
people who are dealing withreally serious chronic health
conditions or like significant,like clinical obesity.
I start to poke around theirlife and they are just
self-betraying, self-betraying,self-betraying.
(45:01):
They're saying yes when theywant to say no, mommy.
Martyrdom is another one.
Everyone else's needs comebefore me because that makes me
a good mother.
Where, like, actually, thatleads to you know, being beaten
down and resentful of the peoplethat you love the most.
Right, it's like we need tofigure out a way to speak our
truth into the world.
Like your authentic version ofyou, there's a consciousness
(45:22):
experience.
Authentic version of you,there's a consciousness
experience.
I view reality like a mirror.
Right, this is a mirror.
This is Justin talking toJustin through a mirror named
Hannah.
Right, but it is through youand your very special, unique,
authentic magic.
You are one of a kind.
There is no one else like you.
The things that I can learnabout myself through your unique
mirror can only happen if youare being authentically you, if
(45:47):
you're being a make-believeversion of self, because you
think this is what a good momlooks like, or you think this is
what a good podcaster lookslike, or you think this is what
a good coach looks like and it'snot actually authentic to you.
You're just like regurgitatingwhat you think you should be
doing.
You're robbing me of theexperience that is you of the
experience that is you.
Speaker 1 (46:06):
That's deep.
I love that.
I needed to let that settle infor a second.
I love it.
And we spend so much time right, we spend so much time.
How do I grow my podcast?
This is what you have to do tobe successful.
I'm like I'm just going to dome.
I just want to do what I wantto do?
Speaker 2 (46:21):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
Okay, so we're gonna.
We're gonna end with humandesign.
I always pick one piece of mypodcast guests chart and I talk
about it, which you know alittle bit about human design.
We talked about this already.
I don't know, did you ever diveinto your digestion type?
Speaker 2 (46:41):
No.
Speaker 1 (46:41):
Okay, so we have what's called a digestion type,
and in human design it's notjust how you digest food.
Think of it as how I digest theworld, how I process information
, how I take in information mosteasily, how I'm able to like,
process and assimilate that intomy body.
It also relates to food and wehave six digestion types.
(47:07):
Don't quote me, might be eight,I'm pretty sure it's six.
Yours is called open taste.
So open taste is and thedigestion type comes from.
If you're familiar with humandesign, it comes from like these
arrows that are near your crownand your Ajna center in human
design, and so it's eitherpointing left or right.
(47:28):
Your digestion arrow ispointing left, so structure is
pretty helpful with yourdigestion type.
So like eating around the sametime of day with open taste.
Actually, it's one of the olderdigestive systems in the world,
so you do really well and it'sso cool.
(47:50):
And I was reading this becausewe had this conversation when we
were chatting about having youon the podcast and what we were
talking about eating seasonallyand the importance of eating
seasonally and that's actuallypart of your digestion type is
eating like the same foods untilyou feel like I'm kind of done
with that.
So like you might be someonethat does really well, you know,
(48:14):
having the same, maybe the sametype of protein for breakfast,
or definitely eating breakfastaround the same time every
morning, but eating like thesame thing, and then maybe you
change it up when you feel doneand then you eat that.
Like you eat eggs for a weekand then you eat I don't know
(48:34):
shrimp for a week.
I don't know.
I'm thinking of like when Iwould break my fast.
Or you have a protein shake eachmorning, and so part of the
open taste is one of the thingsthat we say is like we talk a
lot about variety in thenutrition world, like variety is
so important and with you it'slike shifting that perspective
(48:56):
just a little bit of more.
Like maybe variety seasonallyrather than variety each day, or
maybe variety monthly versusvariety each week, or something
like that.
Um, and another cool thing itsays another cool thing about
open taste is like you canreally recognize and this is
where I'm like you just decide,like you'll know, open taste.
(49:19):
People will know like okay, I'mkind of done with that food,
like I did it, and now I'm likenow I just don't feel like it's
serving me anymore.
Um, so this is also we can talkabout that in terms of like
life as well and just havingthat like pretty structured.
I actually didn't look at allof your arrows.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
Let me see I mean on so far yeah.
Speaker 1 (49:45):
Oh good, yeah, Like pretty structured, sorry, go
ahead.
What were you going to?
Speaker 2 (49:50):
say I strive like I want you to continue, but like I
, I thrive in structure.
For sure I do way better withstructure.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (49:57):
Yeah, yeah and so, like this is this is where
another place that we can start,like, when you're on this
health journey, when you feelreally inspired by this podcast,
you start following Justin andyou dive into all of his things.
Also.
I would just add also pull upyour human design chart.
(50:17):
Look at it.
It's the top left arrow in yourchart is either gonna be facing
left or right.
That doesn't mean if it's leftyou're open taste, because
there's three uh digestion typeson for the left arrow, three
for the right, um, but, like,definitely the structure would
be the same for you, um, butjust pull it up and pull up your
(50:37):
digestion type and see how ithits for you, because every and
this is where, like, we get backinto the authenticity, where
you and I we're going to haveslightly different, um, slightly
different flavors of how weapproach food.
I'm also a left-facing arrow,so I'm also very structured Um,
but my digestion type is directlight, so I need to eat when
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it's light out.
I eat dinner at like 5 pm inthe winter because I need to eat
when it's still at least alittle bit light out and I best
take in information in the light.
So, like when I'm searching fora house, a new house to move
into.
I'm like it needs to have a lotof direct light, not
fluorescent lighting, not likeall that shit, and that's how I
(51:22):
best take in information.
So look up your digestion type,see how you assimilate most
easily, and that's another waythat we're using.
We're working with our body,we're working with our design
rather than, like you said, Imean all the diets and all the
like.
Some, some people, right-facingarrows actually do better eating
(51:44):
when they're hungry.
So maybe they would do betternot eating.
Checking in, checking in withthemselves, because I do agree,
eat like at least within thefirst hour of you waking, but
check in with yourself.
Are you hungry?
Do you want a big breakfast?
Do you want a small breakfast?
Do you want to just eat, youknow, like a protein shake that
has those 30 grams of protein or20?
(52:07):
Mine has 24.
I mean, we're close enough, butdo you want to have that big
breakfast or do you want to havea smaller one and play around
with that?
And then, do you want to eatlunch at noon or do you want to
wait until you feel hungry?
And of course, we, we're stilleating whole foods, but anyway.
So that's the little tip abouthuman design, but let me hear
(52:33):
how that like settled with you.
Speaker 2 (52:35):
Yeah, I mean one.
It's spot on for me and likethe accuracy of how I live my
life for sure, because I'veeaten this way in 20 different
countries.
Like literally.
It's like it's not hard to notdeviate, but the chaos of travel
and stuff is like very hard onme over time and I crave getting
back to my home and my routinesand my structures and
(52:56):
everything.
The other thing that I'll addis like really what all my
programs are doing are trying tomake your body generate the
most energy possible.
So you have this idea of likeenergy balance.
But if you look at people whoare like significantly
overweight, they don't have highenergy symptoms.
Speaker 1 (53:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (53:12):
They have low energy symptoms, right, their hair is
falling out, they're cold allthe time, they have no libido,
their teeth are sensitive,they're moody, they're depressed
, whatever right, we need tocreate more energy in their body
.
So the one piece I want tospeak to you said of like in the
beginning if someone is dealingwith significant metabolic
dysfunction, we cannot trusttheir hunger cues.
Speaker 1 (53:29):
Oh good point.
Speaker 2 (53:30):
I have people wake up first thing in the morning
before they even get out of bed,before they've even like rolled
over, and we have a thermometernext to their bed and they put
it under their tongue and theytake their core body temperature
.
Yeah, some clients come to me,me, their core body temperature,
waking, is like 94 degrees.
(53:51):
This is like a walking corpse,yeah, and they're like, well, I
just I don't eat a lot becauseI'm not hungry.
I'm like because your body is infull-blown energy conservation
starvation mode for too long andit's like you're catabolizing
you're you're basicallycannibalizing your own tissue
yeah it's called catabolism so Itry to help them.
See is like the first week mayfeel like a chore of getting
that 30 grams of protein in.
And then day eight, they'relike Justin, I'm starving.
(54:11):
Oh my God, I've been starvingall day, Like what is going on?
I need so much food and we'rechecking their body temperature
and now they're 95 degrees 95and a half degrees Right, and
we're actually bringing theirmetabolism back to life.
(54:46):
No-transcript, so I just wantedto add that a little bit.
Speaker 1 (54:50):
Thank you.
No, thank you, because a lot ofmine is with the assumption
that we have that mind-bodyconnection.
We have that balance already,so thank you for bringing that
up.
I appreciate that.
So where can people find you?
Where do you hang out the mostif they want to continue
learning from you and soaking upall this beautiful information?
Speaker 2 (55:11):
Sure, the most is Instagram.
My handle is at Justin AltOfficial everywhere, but I
always tell people like theeasiest way to learn more or get
in touch, just go to Justin AltOfficial on Instagram and send
me a message it will be me thatresponds and tell me that you
want the foods list or you wantdaily mirror work or whatever,
and I'll send you anything youwant for free and then I'll just
ask you some questions and if Ican help, we'll dive in.
Speaker 1 (55:33):
Awesome.
Thank you so much for coming on.
This was such a funconversation.
Speaker 2 (55:37):
Yeah, thank you, it's been a pleasure.
Okay, welcome back to the podcast journey to well, I
am super excited to have JustinNault.
I didn't ask you how to sayyour last name, is that right?
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Nailed it.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Hey, there we go.
We have Justin on the podcast.
Today we're doing a little bitof a different conversation.
We're talking about nutritionand food as medicine and energy,
and I don't think that I havetalked to this topic on my
podcast, although I certainlytalk about it a lot on my social
(01:42):
media channels and my community, my coaching clients, I mean.
Everything is so connected.
So, justin, super excited tohave you on.
I start every podcast lettingmy guests introduce themselves
and share what they would liketo share about themselves.
So who is Justin?
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Oh man, that's a great question For me.
The most honest way for me toanswer that is that I am Justin.
You know it's like, honestly,my entire journey and the thing
that I try to teach more thananything else in my content we
can talk about nutrition, we cantalk about all the things is my
(02:23):
life's work has been becomingmore authentically me.
It's the single most importantthing I've ever done.
It's taken me 38 years to getto this version of self.
That is the one that I'm themost happy with the one that I'm
the most happy with, the onethat I love the most, the one
that experiences the most joyand depth of intimacy and
connection with others.
But it wasn't always that way,you know.
So with my coaching, I reallythink of myself I'm technically
(02:45):
a nutritional therapist, right,but I think of myself as an
architect of freedom is helpingpeople design the life that they
want to live, not the life thatthey were told that they should
.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Yeah, I love that.
It's true.
I think that's a lot of that'swhat we have in common.
A lot of what we have in commonis um, I think that's actually
I think I have it pulled upright now, cause I was just
sending someone a blurb aboutmyself.
I'm starting to teach inanother studio and part of my
(03:15):
little blurb, or bio, is justtalking about like, we spend so
much time being told who weshould be, being told how we
should eat, being told how weshould work out, being told what
we should do for work andwhat's successful and what the
meaning of success even is, andwe don't spend a lot of time
actually digging into who am I,who do I want to be, what's
(03:38):
important to me, what are mycore values?
So I like that that was theshortest intro but maybe the
most profound, so I love it.
Before I forget, I know I toldyou, but I love to interweave
human design, which is a hugetool of unearthing our
authenticity and who we reallyare.
(03:59):
So Justin is, excuse me, a 1-3sacral generator, so I like to
kind of give the top three.
We're going to talk a littlebit about human design at the
end, maybe I'll interweave it,but I really want to get into
the conversation of nutrition.
So I like to hear a little bitof backstory.
(04:20):
What got you here?
What brought you into learningabout nutrition?
Learning about food as medicine, using food for energy and
eating whole foods all of thosegood things.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, I couldn't function as a
generator without energy.
But you know, the whole storyis, I think a lot of influencers
today like the term influencer,whatever it means are mostly
just sharing their own story,right, there are like
entertainment influencers thatare like dancing or whatever,
and then there are those of usthat are actually sharing a
transformation story that is ourown, that's impacted us.
(04:56):
And now for me, right, I'vegotten to see the ripple effects
of me sharing what worked forme and that, having worked for
thousands of people.
Now, you know, but for me, Ithink it was similar to a lot of
people's journey is that I grewup in the nineties, so, uh, the
politically incorrect term wasI was a fat kid, it's what they
call me you know, and I got kindof teased by my brother and his
friends and stuff.
But it was also and I was bornin 86.
(05:18):
So my childhood was really likethe glory days of action films
like Arnold Schwarzenegger,sylvester Stallone, jean-claude
Van Damme, and I was obsessedman.
I was like I'm just gonna bethe shredded hero I will save
everyone.
But I was.
I was a chubby kid, you know.
So I just developed tremendousbody dysmorphia at a very and it
followed me, no problem.
(05:38):
It followed me through, youknow, high school, which was
very challenging, but then I wasa performer.
I played my first, you know,really large local talent show.
I was playing piano and singingwhen I was 16 and the town went
crazy.
I ended up on the news.
I became a professionalmusician at age 17, getting paid
to play, and then that led meto go into Berkeley College of
(05:58):
Music in Boston and I got adegree in songwriting.
And then I went down toNashville and I had a 15 year
music career and I played 300shows a year, right?
So if you just picture like ateenager with body dysmorphia
now literally living under thespotlight, you know.
So it followed me into my 20sin a really in a bad way and for
me it was just always fitness.
I was like I will outwork thisbody of mine.
(06:20):
That's the most common thingthat I see today is people
really look at their body as anenemy.
It's like, why won't this bodydo what I want to do?
I want to cooperate.
Why doesn't it look the way Iwant it to look?
I'm doing all the hard work andI'm constantly punishing myself
and no pain, no gain, and Ijust can't get the six pack
right.
It's like you're never workingwith your body, you're working
directly against it, like it'san enemy.
So in Boston I was bodybuildingin the morning before class and
(06:44):
then I'd leave class and then Iwas training boxing and then
when I got to Nashville, it wastwice a day CrossFit and I
started powerlifting and then Igot certified in kettlebells and
I became a purple belt injujitsu and it was just like, no
matter what, it was alwaysthrough the fitness angle, just
like punishing my body duringthe day and then basically
working graveyard shift, likeI'm getting on stage at 9 PM and
(07:04):
going to bed at 6 AM, right.
So it's like my circadianrhythm was trash, Like
everything was just it wasworking directly against my
health and I'm also punishingmyself during the day.
So it's like the catastrophiclike impact that was having on
my energy levels and my mentalhealth and all these things.
And that was when I ended up,you know, hiring my first talk
therapist in my late twenties.
But really the catalyst for thenutrition stuff was I had found
(07:25):
the paleo diet and felt amazing,like very quickly I started
dropping body fat and I was likewhoa, this is like a cheat code
, like there's something to thisnutrition thing.
And at right around that sametime my niece was born
terminally disabled.
So she was having over 300seizures a day and she went
straight into the pediatric ICU.
They gave her less than threeyears to live, they hooked her
(07:47):
up to all these differentmachines and stuff and
eventually they had to installwhat's called a G tube.
If a child can't eat or drink,they put a G tube in their
stomach and feed them through atube.
So that was when I wasintroduced to the ketogenic diet
.
In in a medical situation, theketogenic diet is used to
suppress symptoms in infants,children, toddlers there's a
whole foundation called theCharlie foundation that
specializes in this.
(08:08):
Um Savannah did not turn out tobe epileptic, but across the
board they're like, if you'rehaving seizures and we can't
diagnose this, we're going toput you on a keto diet.
So, there's a baby formulacalled KetoCal that is, Gerber
makes this baby formula andthey're owned by Nestle and all
the beautiful governmentcorruption that goes into that.
Our tax dollars subsidize it togive it to these little babies.
And I had already become anutrition, a nutritional
(08:30):
therapist at that point and Ihad a client of one and it was
me.
I was just like I'm going tolearn the depths of this for
myself, you know, and um, I knewjust enough to annoy the
doctors, Right.
And I asked the doctor.
I said look at theseingredients.
It's, it's high fat, low carb,it's technically keto, but it's.
The fat is all hydrogenatedvegetable oils.
And then it's artificial flavorsand sweeteners, synthetic
(08:50):
versions of vitamins that thebody can't use well or even
blocks receptors in some cases.
So I brought up the attentionof like a world renowned
neurologist and he looks at meand he goes huh, I never thought
to check that and that was it.
That's literally like how wegot here, cause I was so angry,
like it.
Just the level of rage.
I can't even listen to my, myoriginal podcasts, like the
first hundred podcasts.
(09:11):
I where I am.
Just like everyone needs toknow the truth.
You know, and I startedstudying, you know, human
metabolism, biochemistry andbiology.
I started just orderingtextbooks to my house, like
training myself on textbooks,and then I created a baby
formula for Savannah in mykitchen using alio friendly
superfoods, food dehydrators andprocessors, and I eventually
(09:32):
worked with a food and beverageconsulting company and released
my first product online.
I basically turned that babyformula into a protein powder
that I started selling toCrossFitters.
And I just started going onFacebook live and sharing what I
was learning about, like thehorrors of mainstream medicine
and the truth about food versuspoison and the corruption
between big food and big pharmaand all these things like
mainstream medicine being thethird leading cause of death in
(09:52):
America Right, and that's how wegot here.
You know, I started reallydoing the thing online about
eight years ago and now I'm herewith you, with you know 650,000
followers and thousands oftransformation stories that I'm
unbelievably grateful for.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Wow, I love that.
Now I'm going to have to goback and listen to your first
100 podcasts.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Oh man, be prepared.
It's like a power lifting, justlike alpha.
I will take down the wholesystem.
It was crazy A lot of personaldevelopment between then and now
.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Man.
I mean, of course, when youhave something that hits so
close to home, of course there'sgonna be so much anger.
I think also whenever wefinally realize something like
it might be common knowledge toother people, but stuff that we
don't know or we're not educatedon, I think, unfortunately, a
lot of people don't understand alot of these things that you're
(10:46):
taught not understand.
I'm sorry, don't know a lot ofthese things that you're talking
about, but whenever we learnsomething that we figure out
that we've been taught the exactopposite our whole lives, of
course there's so much anger andthere's so much frustration,
and behind that, of course, is alot of sadness, and there's
always.
There's always a lot of sadnessin nutrition.
(11:06):
For me, part of my story is Igrew up my mom has her
undergraduate degree innutrition, her master's degree
in counseling, and so I grew up.
My mom has her undergraduatedegree in nutrition, her
master's degree in counseling,and so I grew up knowing how to
read a nutrition label and youknow miles more than I do, but I
know enough.
You know, like I know enough ofif it says nonfat there's, you
(11:29):
know what else is in it, likethere's something that's making
it nonfat.
They probably don't want to beeating.
Or if it says you know, nosugar, diet coke is better than
regular coke, like all of thesethings.
And I didn't realize how much Iknew because I grew up that way
.
And then I go off to collegeand I see how the average
american eats college in thesouth too, mind you.
(11:52):
So you know we love the sweettea, we love the like fried
chicken, all of that, and I loveit.
Um, but seeing how these people, the average American, is
eating and and seeing how youknow people do go for the nonfat
things because it says no fatin in the label, um, I'm seeing
(12:12):
the manipulation.
I mean so much, so much sadnessthere.
So it's so interesting.
So I'm curious.
One of my biggest what's theword?
One of the things that's mostimportant to me on this platform
, on my platform, is makingthese really big topics like
human design, like cyclealignment, really easily
(12:34):
digestible and very easy to biteoff and chew.
For the person that doesn'tknow anything, because you've
spent how long did you say 20years, 15, 10 years, however
long studying this and all thetextbooks and all the books and
podcasts and education, and tosomeone that is listening to
this.
It's like I need to eathealthier.
(12:56):
I know that, but is sooverwhelmed because they don't
even know where to start.
Where do we start?
Speaker 2 (13:03):
I love this question.
I fundamentally believe like ifyou can't explain something in
a way that clicks for a thirdgrader, then you don't fully
understand the thing you'retalking about Right, and it's I
I did.
There was 10 years of intenserabbit holing how to read
scientific studies, like so Iwouldn't just read an abstract,
like I needed to learn howstudies were conducted, and all
these things.
Over time it became where I'velanded now.
(13:25):
The reason why my my content isso simple is because I think
the entire industry is built ona foundation of error.
The randomized control trial,built on a foundation of error.
It literally can't provecausation, the way that it's
designed, and we hold it up asthe holy grail of the scientific
community, right.
So I had to go deeper anddeeper and deeper and deeper to
be able to realize oh, if it'sbuilt on a foundation of error,
(13:48):
then the results of that systemare going to be catastrophically
bad.
If we take a look at the last 70years of human health, right,
90% of the population has atleast one marker of clinical
metabolic dysfunction.
The average person in their 50sis on 12 prescription
medications.
75% of the population is eitheroverweight or obese.
45% of children are obese.
(14:09):
Mainstream medicine is thethird leading cause of death in
America.
We spent tens of trillions ofdollars on a war on cancer and
survival rates are exactly thesame, we have made no progress,
right?
So when you really start tolook at the thing, you're like
oh okay, what I have to do toget healthy is the exact
opposite of what the entiremainstream is telling me to do.
And it turns out that's true innutrition, it's true in fitness
(14:33):
, it's true in romanticrelationships, it's true in
parenting, it's true in makingmoney, it's true in everything.
So the last 10 years of my lifewere a journey of undoing all
of society's programming on myown human psyche.
Right?
It's like I was raised in apublic school system.
I have to raise my hand to goto the bathroom and if someone
tells me no, I now need tosuppress suppress my body's
(14:53):
intuition survival mechanism touse the restroom Cause someone
else told me I'm not allowed,right?
So this is where we get intothe illusion of authority.
Now, I just gave you this reallycomplex, convoluted answer.
To bring it back to simplicity,which is the people that don't
understand because they haven'tbeen exposed to this stuff.
They've just taught the foodpyramid when they were growing
(15:15):
up.
The simple litmus test is foodversus poison.
I teach everyone food versuspoison, because if you only eat
food and you don't consumepoison all of the complicated
stuff goes out the window.
You do not have to countcalories, you don't need to
punish yourself in the gym forhours per day.
You don't need to takemedications.
You don't need to takesupplements.
I own two supplement companiesand I'm telling you you don't
(15:36):
need to take supplements if youget this stuff right.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
I was going to ask you about that.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Exactly Like if you're not getting it right.
I make supplements that canhelp you start to get it right.
But, supplements are only meantto supplement the perfect things
you're already doing in yourlifestyle, right?
So I always say this like if Isay if I could take you know
children and ask them thisquestion, any adult will pass
this test.
If I say there are two foods,one has to be called food and
(16:03):
the other has to be calledpoison, you have to pick one
Food.
Number one is steak.
Option number two is strawberrypop tarts.
Tell me which one is food andtell me which one is poison.
They can't both be food andthey can't both be poison.
You have to choose.
Nobody fails that test.
100% of people will say the poptarts are poison and the steak
(16:25):
is food.
Right?
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
That's it, You're done.
I have nothing else to teachyou Right?
So 99% of my coaching is tryingto figure out why people won't
do it.
Why they won't get rid of thepop tarts, why they won't get
rid of the wonder bread, whythey won't get rid of the
Doritos and the Diet Coke, whythey won't stop pulling into the
drive-thru on the way home fromwork, right?
(16:48):
So, ironically, I became anutritional therapist as a title
, because I was studyingepigenetics.
Turns out, most of my work islife coaching and therapy.
Trying to help people understandwhy they choose things that
they know are terrible forthemselves, and trying to help
them understand that they'vebuilt a life for themselves that
is completely out of alignmentwith the person that they
(17:09):
actually want to be in the world.
So using food like adissociative drug.
It's the same way that somebodywho has been deeply traumatized
or comes from a horrible placewith poverty and violence, they
may choose to use something likemeth or heroin because why, why
not?
Why do they care?
Right Now it seems extreme tojump to that like meth versus
(17:29):
food, but that's literally whatwe're dealing with here is like
people are finding a way todissociate from their lives with
food, and the mainstream hasgiven them this idea that if
they just restrict calories,they'll be healthy.
What they're doing is strippingaway energy from their body,
and we see it all the time I didan Instagram reel on this the
other day where, like peoplewake up and the first two, three
(17:51):
meals of the day it's like I'mgoing to have a hard boiled egg
for breakfast or I'm going toskip breakfast, or at lunch I'm
going to have like a light saladand a diet Coke, and it's like
this constant starvation,starvation, starvation.
Then 10 PM rolls around andthey're trying to figure out why
they just ate a full pint ofBen and Jerry's and they blame
themselves.
Oh, I'm realizing.
(18:13):
They have starved themselvesfor an entire day.
They need calories and food tosurvive.
They're never going tooverpower the lizard brain
inside of them that says we havea very calorically dense and
energy dense food in front of us.
That is this Ben and Jerry's.
I'm going to send a signal toyour brain I'm going to
overpower you and you're goingto eat the whole thing.
Right?
You blame yourself instead ofblaming the terrible information
(18:35):
that you've been given aboutdiet and nutrition.
Does that make sense?
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Absolutely there's so much like there's so much.
But I love that you justbrought up that point and I love
that you brought up that it'slike a neurological thing
because we do, we have so muchshame and guilt and we can I
mean, like you said, we can godown all of the rabbit holes
right, like relationship guiltand shame and parenting guilt
(19:02):
and shame.
But just talking aboutnutrition and bringing up the
point of it's, it's kind of thethe your brain, it's your brain.
So how do we go about andchange that?
I would love to talk aboutbreakfast specifically.
Are you a like breakfastsupporter?
Start your day off.
(19:22):
That's where my brain's going.
But how do we go about startingto change that so we don't find
ourselves coming to the end ofthe day having that pint of Ben
and Jerry's?
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Yeah, I'm gonna go simple and then a little more
complex, because I think it'simportant for people to
understand what's happening atthe level of your neurology and
why this is happening so you canstop blaming yourself for it.
Right, it's like the idea ofbreakfast being the most
important meal of the day wasmarketing, right, but it was
only marketing post the 1950sand the advent of hyperpalatable
, ultra processed foods likemapo and cereal and this kind of
(19:55):
stuff right, because prior, inthe 1930s and 20s and I can tell
you amazing statistics aboutthat time when humans were
eating more than 4 000 caloriesa day and it was all like red
meat, whole milk, homemade bread, all these things right.
So the idea of breakfast beingimportant is very true, but it's
not very true, like if, if theif the option is like I'm either
going to skip breakfast or I'mgoing to eat a whole wheat,
(20:17):
whole wheat bagel and a and abowl of special K cereal with
milk, right.
Like if that's your breakfastoption, skip it.
But I have a rule within all myprograms is 30, 30 grams of
protein within 30 minutes ofwaking up.
So you get an approved foodslist.
For me it's over 110 foods youcan choose from.
But if something's not on thatlist, you don't eat it, period.
We don't do cheat days, wedon't do cheat meals, none of
(20:42):
that right.
Within 30 minutes of waking up,you're consuming 30 grams of
protein.
And I coach people how can youdo it?
How can you make it moreconvenient?
Blah, blah, blah.
Because protein is the let'sget to work right.
So the protein is incrediblyimportant and the reason for
(21:04):
this when you talked about, likeat the level of your brain, the
hypothalamus, is what controlswhether or not you're hungry.
It's called your satietyhormones, right, like whether
you're feeling hungry or whetheryou're feeling satiated.
So in the past there's a flavoron your tongue called umami.
There are taste buds thatrecognize the umami flavor, this
(21:24):
kind of salty, savory, kind ofsweet flavor, right?
Historically, the only place wewould have found that in nature
is animal blood.
So the moment that taste bud isactivated, it's sending a
signal to your body that we areabout to receive protein and the
body gets to work.
Before you've even swallowedyour first bite of food.
It's creating the perfectamount of stomach acid and bile
(21:45):
that's going to break downprotein and then amino acids are
going to enter your bloodstreamand your body knows what to do
just from what it's tasting onyour tongue.
Wow and your body knows what todo just from what it's tasting
on your tongue.
Fast forward to today and wehave food engineers who are
salaried scientists, who designfood to taste like umami.
This is like a bag of potatochips, like kind of a sweet,
(22:05):
salty, savory flavor.
So the brain is getting asignal that you're eating
protein.
The next thing you know you'veconsumed 500 calories of potato
chips and there's no protein inthe system, no protein.
Body goes yeah.
So your body says something iswrong, we're not getting enough
protein and sends a signal toeat more.
(22:25):
So this is why you can.
You can look up.
10 minutes have passed andyou've eaten a full bag of lay's
potato chips and you're likewhat just happened?
Right, whereas if I said, goeat a pound of boneless,
skinless chicken breast and tellme how easy that is for you to
do, it's going to be nearimpossible.
But the potato chips are a cinchbecause they are designed by
engineers to be as hyperpalatable and addictive as
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possible.
So people are blamingthemselves when they're actually
consuming foods that aredesigned to hijack their brain
to make them eat.
It's astonishing.
It's very powerful stuff.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Yeah, wild.
So here's my next question then.
Okay, I imagine and I've hadthese conversations with clients
, with friends, I imagine peoplelistening they're like I can't
eat Lay's potato chips.
Like if I talk to Justin, he'sgoing to tell me I can't eat Ben
(23:22):
and Jerry's and you alreadysaid no cheat days.
Like how do we do that?
Used to consuming fast food,you're used to having a
croissant in the morning forbreakfast or what did he say?
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Special K?
How do we go from that to wholefoods?
So step one is self-love, right, it's one of the more I would
say.
Some people call itcontroversial opinions.
I have, but the obesityepidemic is really a self-love
epidemic.
Wow.
It's very difficult for you toconsistently choose to poison
yourself every day and to lookin a mirror and hate your own
body and still continue to makethe same choices every day.
It's very difficult to do that.
(24:06):
If you deeply love yourself,you will want what's best for
yourself and you will choosewhat's best for yourself.
So every program that I havestarts with self-love.
I'm going to ask you to standin a mirror, look yourself in
the eyes and say I love you outloud 10 times.
And I don't care if you'refaking it in the beginning,
you're going to do it every dayIf you don't do it every day.
I'm going to hold youaccountable, Right.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Can we pause?
Can I say something?
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Of course.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
I don't typically share like a lot of it.
Keep going with the steps.
But I have to say somethingabout this.
I don't typically share like somuch of my vulnerability.
But uh, I was just.
You know, we go down rabbitholes, whatever.
Everyone has bad days.
Let's just say that.
So I was just talking to one ofmy friends and I was like I feel
(24:48):
like I am so rigid on what Ieat, like I I went to my
sister's house for dinner andshe had peppermint gluten-free
Oreos and I'm gluten-free mostly.
So she's like, do you want someOreos?
I was like fuck, yeah, ofcourse.
Like love, I used to eat Oreos.
I haven't had Oreos in years.
And so I was reflecting on thatand I was like I think that I'm
(25:08):
just so rigid, like I don'treally have.
I allow myself to eat ice cream.
That's like my favorite food,but otherwise, like I don't
really eat a lot of junk food.
I don't keep junk food in thehouse for my consumption because
I don't like it.
And I'm like being so hard onmyself.
I'm like I'm so rigid and myfriend goes she's like how I see
(25:29):
it is that you love yourself somuch that you won't feed your
body that junk.
You don't want to feed yourbody that junk and you
appreciate your body and you'retaking care of your body.
And I was like, of course Icried.
So I'm like, of course that'swhere it's rooted in and that's
where it stems from and that'swhat I have said in the past.
You're saying like, you'respeaking my mind like literal
(25:52):
words that I've said in the pastof I love myself so much that
I'm not going to do this.
And it's not about restriction,it's actually about I love
myself and I feel better.
Like once you do this, you dofeel better.
And then you kind of get to thepoint where you're like why am I
going to go get blackout drunk?
Why am I going to eat a pint ofBen and Jerry's when I
literally feel like dying thenext day?
(26:14):
What's the point?
So, anyway, I had to share thatbecause I that's just like a
realistic, because I do thinkpeople get a little like oh yeah
, I love myself, though, like I,I do love myself and I
appreciate myself, and and Ilook in the mirror and I tell
myself, you know, and like, wekind of just like, brush it off,
but we all struggle withself-love.
(26:36):
We all do from time to time andto different degrees, and you
can still come back and likehopefully you have friends, like
like my beautiful friend, tolike check you and remind you of
how much you love yourself andremind you of the things that
you do, so continue.
I love that you and remind youof how much you love yourself
and remind you of the thingsthat you do, so continue I love
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that you shared.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
It's important that you share that right because,
like, the most powerful thingswe have are the stories of our
own transformation and whatworks for us, you know so so
many people are going to feelseen in what you just said and
it's like self-love is not like.
It's like six-pack abs, right,like.
People come to me I wantsix-pack abs and I'm like okay,
when you achieve six-pack abs,what happens next?
What's the rest of your life?
Look like, do you just go backto doing the daily actions you
(27:20):
were taking when you didn't havesix-pack abs and you just erase
the six-pack like, or do youcontinue?
Like what?
What does what changes in yourlife?
What comes next?
Right?
So this is the thing withself-love is people will walk
around.
Oh, yeah, I, yeah, I lovemyself, right, it's like no,
because these people are makingcommitments.
It's like we're in January.
We're right around the timewhere 85 percent of people's New
Year's resolutions fail.
(27:48):
Yeah, it's like if you're aparent and you tell your child
hey, soccer practice ends at 3o'clock, by 3.05,.
I'm going to pull up in the carand you'll be sitting on the
curb and you're going to hop inthe car.
I'll be there, kiddo, and I'lltake you home.
We'll have dinner and then youjust don't show up, you just
leave the kid there all night,right?
No, you wouldn't do that.
You'd be a total fucking rightbarring.
(28:14):
You got in a car accident andcalled a family member and they
went and picked up the kid.
You would go out of your way tomake sure that that little kid
is the commitment is kept tothat kid and he's picked up from
soccer practice and driven homein a safe way.
Right, yeah.
But you'll tell yourself like,oh, I'm gonna eat clean for the
next 30 days and a weekend.
You break that commitment toyourself yeah we are all little
children in grownup bodies.
That's it.
Not a single one of us is agrownup, all right.
(28:36):
And this is where we go back intime, like your, your ego, your
shadow, the way you feel aboutyourself.
Again, you have to raise yourhand to go to the bathroom.
This is all programming fromchildhood that carries us into
adulthood, right?
So I understand when people arelike, oh, what do you mean?
I can't eat Lay's potato chips?
Right, I'm like, yeah, where.
Like, oh, what do you mean?
I can't eat Lay's potato chips?
Right, I'm like, yeah, whereare you at?
You're coming to me and you'resaying I hate my body, I hate
the way I feel, I'm insecure.
(28:57):
It's ruining my romanticrelationship, I have no libido,
I'm snappy with my kids,everything is just like doom and
gloom.
And I'm like, yeah, we'reprobably going to give up the
Lay's.
You tell me that you wantchange, but you don't actually
want to change any of youractions.
Then the change is never goingto happen.
(29:19):
So we start with self-lovefirst, but step two, the light
at the end of the tunnel here isI am yet to find a junk food
that I have not been able toreplace with a version of that
food that has no poison in it.
So again, we're talking aboutfood versus poison.
So my foods list has 110 singleingredient.
Whole foods to choose from?
Yeah, but then I give theexample of, like a chocolate sea
(29:41):
salt RX bar or a Boulder Canyonpotato chips.
Right, the ingredients inBoulder Canyon potato chips are
potatoes, avocado oil, sea salt.
All three of those singleingredients are on my foods list
, which makes that packaged foodan approved food.
If you go to Lay's potato chips, it's going to be canola oil.
(30:04):
That is not an approved food.
Don't eat that seed oil.
So just swap for Boulder Canyonpotato chips, right?
If you usually eat Snickersbars, I'm going to direct you to
Unreal Candy, which is aversion of a Snickers bar that
doesn't have artificial foodcolorings and dyes and seed oils
in it.
If you like tortilla chips,we're going to switch you to
Siete brand tortilla chips,right?
(30:25):
Like?
There are all these differentthings that we can do.
But then again people slipimmediately into victimhood and
they say, well, the Unreal candyis three times more expensive
than the Snickers bar.
And I say okay.
So now you're saying that thedifference in $4 or price or
whatever is worth more than yourhealth.
And then we go down the rabbithole of the average 40 year old
(30:46):
woman with one chronic healthcondition is going to spend
$300,000 more out of pocket onmedical care than someone who
doesn't have that chroniccondition.
So if you want to pretend thatthe Snickers bar is less
expensive, than the one withoutpoison in it.
Again, like I teach philosophy,I don't teach nutrition.
(31:07):
Right, I'm asking people toadopt a philosophy that I have
created, that I've come up withover 20 years of doing this, and
it's simple, right.
The same way, all of myprograms are guaranteed right.
Do this for 90 days.
If your life doesn't get better, come tell me about it.
I have no fear.
I guarantee you, if you do it,your life is going to get better
.
Right, but it does requirechange, and it's just focused in
(31:30):
a different direction, rightLike change.
And it's just focused in adifferent direction, right Like
the beginning of my career withClovis, my first company.
I was still playing 300 shows ayear as a musician.
So the difference is am I goingto pull into Chick-fil-A or am
I going to pull into the Krogeror the HEB or the Aldi?
Speaker 1 (31:47):
that's right.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Next door and get myself like a chocolate, sea
salt RX bar and an organicbanana and a coconut water for
my travel snack?
Or am I going to get friedchicken and Chick-fil-A Like why
one is poison and one is food?
Why would I do that to myself?
It's the same amount of time.
It takes me five minutes towalk into the grocery store.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
You see what I'm saying so.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
It's just like where your focus goes.
It's not any more difficult.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
It's just different.
I think that we make it.
What I'm thinking of is like,how cool is it that we live in a
time where we can go get thatRX bar, where we can go get that
banana at a grocery store thatis?
I mean, I've never seen, youknow, a grocery store that's
like less accessible than a fastfood joint.
I, of course, I mean, of coursethere's going to be like ones
that's a little bit closer, butyeah, what is it worth to you?
And I think that we do use thatexcuse a lot, that it's more
(32:40):
time consuming.
That's what I've always heard.
Because my brain, when you'relike you can't have Lay's potato
chips, I'm like, oh, just makeyour own potato chips, buy the
potato, slice it up, fry potatochips.
Like, buy the potato, slice itup, fry it in your avocado or
olive oil or whatever you wantto fry it in.
And you're like, oh, just goget these, like Boulder.
I'm like what a world we livein.
(33:02):
Like you don't have to go makeyour own Snickers bar, which I
also have done.
Like, made my own little peanutbutter cups and I mean they're
amazing, I love them.
But you also do spend an hourin the kitchen, you know, and
with potato chips, gosh youwould make, you'd make quite the
mess, but you can do it.
But what a world we live inwhere we can make those easy
(33:23):
switches and it's not super timeconsuming and, yeah, sure, it's
an investment.
That was another thing.
Like my mom, that's a corevalue of mine is food is an
investment, and I'm investing inmy body, like that's what's
been drained into my brain.
So I will go to Whole Foods, Iwill go to the grocery store,
(33:46):
easily spend however much I needto spend, because I will buy,
you know, the Whole Foods,whatever the organic which I'm,
the whatever, um, the organicwhich I'm sure we could have a
whole conversation about.
But I buy, I buy the wholefoods, um, and it's not like I'm
.
I'm so thankful that that is myperspective and you don't have
(34:06):
to be born into a family likethat.
You can make that yourperspective, you can choose.
You know even just a littlemantra Like I, I am woo, woo and
I am crunchy.
So I would say like thank you,thank you for whatever, thank
you God, thank you universe,thank you Whoever you want to
thank, thank you my bank accountfor being able to afford this
(34:27):
money and bless it before you gospend that money and it will
come back to you either in goodhealth or or or money.
Uh, it always does.
It always comes back to youwhen we're buying things, when
we're investing in things withthat intention.
It will always the abundancemindset right.
(34:47):
It'll always come back to you.
That's what you're trying tosee in the world yeah, it's the
difference between.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
I try to help shift people out of the.
There's a concept called learnhelplessness, um throughout like
scientific research literaturethroughout the last hundred
years or whatever right andlearn helplessness is the way
that animals will just stoptrying right.
It's like if you have a littlebaby elephant in the circus.
It's a little baby and they tieits leg up and they put a post
in the ground and it's likepulling at the post.
It's trying to get away.
It can't get away.
(35:13):
It can't get away.
For years it can't get awayfrom this thing.
It then grows into a three tonelephant and they put the same
little stake in the ground withthe rope around its arm and it
doesn't even try to escape.
That giant animal could popthat thing out of the out of the
ground, destroy the entirecircus and run away and nobody
could do anything about it.
Doesn't even try.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Haven't there been studies where it's
generationally too?
It's like that offspring theydo it with the offspring, and
the offspring who never likelearned that it couldn't get
away, still won't try to getaway.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Yes, they've done studies on that with rodents.
They've done it with monkeys,they've done it with all sorts
of animals.
Right, it's like, yes, theywill learn generation to
generation.
It's the same way too.
Like people love to say that,like diabetes, obesity runs in
my family.
No, it doesn't.
Habits run in your family.
The way you were taught to eatmonkey, see, monkey, do.
You did what mom did.
You did what dad did.
(36:05):
Right, like a family dinner toyou might look the way that it
looked when you were a kid, andnow you're feeding that to your
kids.
Right, it's just.
It's monkey, see, monkey, do.
It's this, it's thegenerational stuff.
So I'm trying to shift peopleout of learned helplessness and
to get into the actual woo-wooor what is legit, just quantum
mechanics.
You are the creator of your ownreality, period.
So this whole thing oh, what doyou mean?
(36:26):
I can't have laser.
Well, it's too expensive.
If every single way that I tellyou you can transform your life
for the better is immediatelymet with an objection in your
mind, you are living invictimhood.
You're living in learnedhelplessness Because if I can do
it, you can do it.
Right?
When I left the music industry,I walked away from 95% of my
income.
I left a whole identity.
I have a program now called theIdentity Upgrade.
(36:47):
Because I did this, 95% of myincome evaporated overnight.
It was broker than I'd beensince I was 18 years old.
I left an entire industry andan identity behind Right and I
started over here I am, if you,if I can do it, you can do it.
There's a blueprint to do itRight and that's like.
People come into my programsand I present them with a
blueprint.
I spent all of my coaching timetrying to figure out why they
(37:11):
won't follow the blueprint.
They will continue to chooselearned helplessness and choose
victimhood right.
It's astonishing.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
It's not an easy thing to change and I
acknowledge that it's not,especially if you are raised.
We actually talk about this inhuman design.
It's conditioning.
Actually I'm going to betalking about this, uh, next
month is looking at your opencenters in human design and
looking at where theconditioning came in, where I
(37:42):
mean we can just talk about this, not in human design terms of
yeah, like how, how I was raised.
When we're raised with thismoney mindset that there's never
enough because our parentsnever had enough money, we adopt
that and that's exactly whatyou're talking about.
But it doesn't have to be yourreality.
I think is what I'm hearing yousay.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
Yeah, and this is huge, right, because I love the
example of New Year'sresolutions.
Like the reason why New Year'sresolutions fail, right, like if
somebody has not done anyphysical activity for the last
year, they've eating.
They don't know how manycalories they're eating.
They're eating junk food andfast food and whatever.
And then january 1st comes andthey say I'm gonna go to the gym
five days a week, I'm gonna eat1200 calories, I'm gonna eat
super clean, right?
This is an example of very lowself-worth and very low
(38:28):
self-love.
Reason being you are settingyourself up for failure on
purpose so you can fulfill abunch of false beliefs.
The first false belief that youalways fail, no matter what.
No diet ever works for you.
I've tried everything andnothing works for me.
I've tried everything.
No, you haven't.
You've tried the same thingwith a thousand different names.
It's all restriction.
We're going to teach you how tostop restricting and feed
(38:48):
yourself enough food to be ahealthy person right.
But the second part of that isthat getting healthy sucks.
People believe getting healthysucks our whole life.
We've heard no pain, no gain,right, it's a caloric
restriction, calorie deficit,you need to exercise more, right
.
All these things.
It's like constantself-punishment, constant
(39:10):
restriction, constant sacrifice.
We have a story from themainstream directly that we've
all been taught since we werelittle kids Getting healthy
sucks.
You don't get to eat yourfavorite foods, you got to go to
the gym.
The whole process sucks, right.
And I try to flip that on itshead and help people see, like
if you are part of a programthat is telling you it's going
(39:31):
to make you healthy and it'smaking you miserable and it's
painful, fire that person andget someone who knows what
they're doing, because gettinghealthy should only feel good,
period.
It's like you said, once youadopt this right.
I've had people that'll followmy foods list for 30 days and
then they're like yeah, I'mgoing to see.
I know Justin talks about cheatdays, whatever.
(39:52):
Like I'm going to my friend'shouse.
I'm going to like I'm going tosee.
I know Justin talks about cheatdays, whatever.
Like I'm going to my friend'shouse.
I'm going to like I'm going todrink a couple of beers and have
some Domino's pizza.
Right, they text me the nextday.
Dude, I feel like I am dying.
I can't get out of bed.
My head is throbbing.
Like I've been in the bathroomall morning, like what is going
on yesterday, and I'm likethrowing up blah, blah, blah.
And I'm like, yeah, becauseyour entire life you have been
(40:14):
poisoning yourself every singleday.
And this is the first 30 daysin your whole life where we
removed all the poison andhelped your body recover.
And then you went and picked upthe poison and tried it again
and your body was like oh hell,no, we're not going back to this
, you know, and that's reallylike all.
All chronic disease is like all.
Chronic disease is metabolic atits core.
(40:35):
And it's all the direct resultof your body not having a long
enough period of time with zeropoison on its face.
That's the truth about healthand wellness.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
Yeah, it's super interesting when you shift your
diet, your body also stopscraving it, and I think that we
don't realize that and we don'ttalk about it enough.
I mean, you did a beautiful jobtouching on how addictive these
foods are and so, of course, ifyou have it, you're going to.
(41:07):
Maybe you'll have more Lay'schips in that one sitting.
But I remember, like when Ireally took a lot of time, a lot
of mindfulness, to like cutsugar out of refined sugar out
of my diet, and then I'm like,huh, I haven't had ice cream or
whatever the Oreos in months andI don't actually want them,
(41:30):
like I don't, I think you doneed to give yourself.
I don't.
I think you do need to giveyourself.
I don't think you, I know youneed to give yourself time to
maybe it's that 30 days.
I'm sure you would have abetter timeline, but you need to
give yourself that time foryour body to let it go out of
your entire system.
And then, uh, yeah, maybe giveit.
(41:52):
Give yourself that time to liketry it again, see how you feel,
but you will feel shitty, itwill be terrible, and then you
get to that point of and Ireally believe, aside in
addition to that self-love.
I really do believe that changecomes from.
What is that quote?
Like you change when beinguncomfortable surpasses living
(42:14):
in that comfortable state.
And when you get souncomfortable, whether you hate
yourself, like you realize thatit really is a self-love issue,
whether you're just like I'mlike way too fucking fat and
like I am just uncomfortable allthe time, whether it's pain,
whether it's hatred, whetherit's a diagnosis, whether it's,
you know, a change in your life.
Like you get pregnant or youget married or somebody dies and
(42:36):
you really have that wake upcall.
That's when we change.
Typically, it doesn't have tobe that way.
That's a big part of myphilosophy is like we don't have
to wait.
But honestly, that kind of isthe root of what I've
experienced in my life is when,when that uncomfortability
surpasses us, wanting to stay inour comfort zone, that's when
(43:00):
we'll, that's when we'll start,that's when we're like, or when
we say you know, I've triedeverything else, might as well,
just try what Justin is spewingout, might as well, like who
cares.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
No, you're spot on it .
The way that I describe it'sjust another way to say it, but
I tell every client you chooseyour rock bottom.
Rock bottom is completelysubjective, right.
There are some people we hearthe horror stories, right, and
if I'm in Austin and I drive bya tent city or see some like
situation like that, it's likethere are some people where
their rock bottom is theirentire family no longer speaks
(43:31):
to them.
They lost all their money andthey live under a bridge and
they put needles in their arm.
For some people that is theirrock bottom.
For some people, with food,their rock bottom is their 600
pounds and the doctor's like ifyou don't get this sleeve
surgery, you're going to die,and that's the first time that
they take it seriously.
Or they get a stage two cancerdiagnosis.
Wait, what just happened?
You know what I'm saying.
Like it's, it's.
(43:52):
You choose your rock bottom andif you're listening to this
right now and this is resonatingwith you or some of it felt
like a gut punch or like yournerve endings are tingling or
whatever it's like, now's thetime.
Don't sleep on that there.
You don't need to go furtherdownhill before you make the
decision that you're going tocreate a new reality for
yourself.
It's up to you.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
I love that, I love that.
So we're going to wrap up.
I want to give a really helpfultool, a human design tool.
But before I we talk, humandesign.
Last question if you werestanding on a stage and you had
one minute, two minutes, toshare the most important thing,
the most important message toyou, what would it be?
Speaker 2 (44:39):
it would have to be radical, authentic
self-expression more thananything else.
Right, that is actually themost common thing that I see in
people who are dealing withreally serious chronic health
conditions or like significant,like clinical obesity.
I start to poke around theirlife and they are just
self-betraying, self-betraying,self-betraying.
(45:01):
They're saying yes when theywant to say no, mommy.
Martyrdom is another one.
Everyone else's needs comebefore me because that makes me
a good mother.
Where, like, actually, thatleads to you know, being beaten
down and resentful of the peoplethat you love the most.
Right, it's like we need tofigure out a way to speak our
truth into the world.
Like your authentic version ofyou, there's a consciousness
(45:22):
experience.
Authentic version of you,there's a consciousness
experience.
I view reality like a mirror.
Right, this is a mirror.
This is Justin talking toJustin through a mirror named
Hannah.
Right, but it is through youand your very special, unique,
authentic magic.
You are one of a kind.
There is no one else like you.
The things that I can learnabout myself through your unique
mirror can only happen if youare being authentically you, if
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you're being a make-believeversion of self, because you
think this is what a good momlooks like, or you think this is
what a good podcaster lookslike, or you think this is what
a good coach looks like and it'snot actually authentic to you.
You're just like regurgitatingwhat you think you should be
doing.
You're robbing me of theexperience that is you of the
experience that is you.
Speaker 1 (46:06):
That's deep.
I love that.
I needed to let that settle infor a second.
I love it.
And we spend so much time right, we spend so much time.
How do I grow my podcast?
This is what you have to do tobe successful.
I'm like I'm just going to dome.
I just want to do what I wantto do?
Speaker 2 (46:21):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
Okay, so we're gonna.
We're gonna end with humandesign.
I always pick one piece of mypodcast guests chart and I talk
about it, which you know alittle bit about human design.
We talked about this already.
I don't know, did you ever diveinto your digestion type?
Speaker 2 (46:41):
No.
Speaker 1 (46:41):
Okay, so we have what's called a digestion type,
and in human design it's notjust how you digest food.
Think of it as how I digest theworld, how I process information
, how I take in information mosteasily, how I'm able to like,
process and assimilate that intomy body.
It also relates to food and wehave six digestion types.
(47:07):
Don't quote me, might be eight,I'm pretty sure it's six.
Yours is called open taste.
So open taste is and thedigestion type comes from.
If you're familiar with humandesign, it comes from like these
arrows that are near your crownand your Ajna center in human
design, and so it's eitherpointing left or right.
(47:28):
Your digestion arrow ispointing left, so structure is
pretty helpful with yourdigestion type.
So like eating around the sametime of day with open taste.
Actually, it's one of the olderdigestive systems in the world,
so you do really well and it'sso cool.
(47:50):
And I was reading this becausewe had this conversation when we
were chatting about having youon the podcast and what we were
talking about eating seasonallyand the importance of eating
seasonally and that's actuallypart of your digestion type is
eating like the same foods untilyou feel like I'm kind of done
with that.
So like you might be someonethat does really well, you know,
(48:14):
having the same, maybe the sametype of protein for breakfast,
or definitely eating breakfastaround the same time every
morning, but eating like thesame thing, and then maybe you
change it up when you feel doneand then you eat that.
Like you eat eggs for a weekand then you eat I don't know
(48:34):
shrimp for a week.
I don't know.
I'm thinking of like when Iwould break my fast.
Or you have a protein shake eachmorning, and so part of the
open taste is one of the thingsthat we say is like we talk a
lot about variety in thenutrition world, like variety is
so important and with you it'slike shifting that perspective
(48:56):
just a little bit of more.
Like maybe variety seasonallyrather than variety each day, or
maybe variety monthly versusvariety each week, or something
like that.
Um, and another cool thing itsays another cool thing about
open taste is like you canreally recognize and this is
where I'm like you just decide,like you'll know, open taste.
(49:19):
People will know like okay, I'mkind of done with that food,
like I did it, and now I'm likenow I just don't feel like it's
serving me anymore.
Um, so this is also we can talkabout that in terms of like
life as well and just havingthat like pretty structured.
I actually didn't look at allof your arrows.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
Let me see I mean on so far yeah.
Speaker 1 (49:45):
Oh good, yeah, Like pretty structured, sorry, go
ahead.
What were you going to?
Speaker 2 (49:50):
say I strive like I want you to continue, but like I
, I thrive in structure.
For sure I do way better withstructure.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (49:57):
Yeah, yeah and so, like this is this is where
another place that we can start,like, when you're on this
health journey, when you feelreally inspired by this podcast,
you start following Justin andyou dive into all of his things.
Also.
I would just add also pull upyour human design chart.
(50:17):
Look at it.
It's the top left arrow in yourchart is either gonna be facing
left or right.
That doesn't mean if it's leftyou're open taste, because
there's three uh digestion typeson for the left arrow, three
for the right, um, but, like,definitely the structure would
be the same for you, um, butjust pull it up and pull up your
(50:37):
digestion type and see how ithits for you, because every and
this is where, like, we get backinto the authenticity, where
you and I we're going to haveslightly different, um, slightly
different flavors of how weapproach food.
I'm also a left-facing arrow,so I'm also very structured Um,
but my digestion type is directlight, so I need to eat when
(51:02):
it's light out.
I eat dinner at like 5 pm inthe winter because I need to eat
when it's still at least alittle bit light out and I best
take in information in the light.
So, like when I'm searching fora house, a new house to move
into.
I'm like it needs to have a lotof direct light, not
fluorescent lighting, not likeall that shit, and that's how I
(51:22):
best take in information.
So look up your digestion type,see how you assimilate most
easily, and that's another waythat we're using.
We're working with our body,we're working with our design
rather than, like you said, Imean all the diets and all the
like.
Some, some people, right-facingarrows actually do better eating
(51:44):
when they're hungry.
So maybe they would do betternot eating.
Checking in, checking in withthemselves, because I do agree,
eat like at least within thefirst hour of you waking, but
check in with yourself.
Are you hungry?
Do you want a big breakfast?
Do you want a small breakfast?
Do you want to just eat, youknow, like a protein shake that
has those 30 grams of protein or20?
(52:07):
Mine has 24.
I mean, we're close enough, butdo you want to have that big
breakfast or do you want to havea smaller one and play around
with that?
And then, do you want to eatlunch at noon or do you want to
wait until you feel hungry?
And of course, we, we're stilleating whole foods, but anyway.
So that's the little tip abouthuman design, but let me hear
(52:33):
how that like settled with you.
Speaker 2 (52:35):
Yeah, I mean one.
It's spot on for me and likethe accuracy of how I live my
life for sure, because I'veeaten this way in 20 different
countries.
Like literally.
It's like it's not hard to notdeviate, but the chaos of travel
and stuff is like very hard onme over time and I crave getting
back to my home and my routinesand my structures and
(52:56):
everything.
The other thing that I'll addis like really what all my
programs are doing are trying tomake your body generate the
most energy possible.
So you have this idea of likeenergy balance.
But if you look at people whoare like significantly
overweight, they don't have highenergy symptoms.
Speaker 1 (53:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (53:12):
They have low energy symptoms, right, their hair is
falling out, they're cold allthe time, they have no libido,
their teeth are sensitive,they're moody, they're depressed
, whatever right, we need tocreate more energy in their body
.
So the one piece I want tospeak to you said of like in the
beginning if someone is dealingwith significant metabolic
dysfunction, we cannot trusttheir hunger cues.
Speaker 1 (53:29):
Oh good point.
Speaker 2 (53:30):
I have people wake up first thing in the morning
before they even get out of bed,before they've even like rolled
over, and we have a thermometernext to their bed and they put
it under their tongue and theytake their core body temperature
.
Yeah, some clients come to me,me, their core body temperature,
waking, is like 94 degrees.
(53:51):
This is like a walking corpse,yeah, and they're like, well, I
just I don't eat a lot becauseI'm not hungry.
I'm like because your body is infull-blown energy conservation
starvation mode for too long andit's like you're catabolizing
you're you're basicallycannibalizing your own tissue
yeah it's called catabolism so Itry to help them.
See is like the first week mayfeel like a chore of getting
that 30 grams of protein in.
And then day eight, they'relike Justin, I'm starving.
(54:11):
Oh my God, I've been starvingall day, Like what is going on?
I need so much food and we'rechecking their body temperature
and now they're 95 degrees 95and a half degrees Right, and
we're actually bringing theirmetabolism back to life.
(54:46):
No-transcript, so I just wantedto add that a little bit.
Speaker 1 (54:50):
Thank you.
No, thank you, because a lot ofmine is with the assumption
that we have that mind-bodyconnection.
We have that balance already,so thank you for bringing that
up.
I appreciate that.
So where can people find you?
Where do you hang out the mostif they want to continue
learning from you and soaking upall this beautiful information?
Speaker 2 (55:11):
Sure, the most is Instagram.
My handle is at Justin AltOfficial everywhere, but I
always tell people like theeasiest way to learn more or get
in touch, just go to Justin AltOfficial on Instagram and send
me a message it will be me thatresponds and tell me that you
want the foods list or you wantdaily mirror work or whatever,
and I'll send you anything youwant for free and then I'll just
ask you some questions and if Ican help, we'll dive in.
Speaker 1 (55:33):
Awesome.
Thank you so much for coming on.
This was such a funconversation.
Speaker 2 (55:37):
Yeah, thank you, it's been a pleasure.
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