March 30, 2025 • 46 mins
Ever wondered why you still wake up exhausted after a full night's sleep? The answer might lie not in how long you're sleeping, but in the quality of that sleep—and darkness plays a crucial role.
Sleep isn't just about logging hours in bed; it's about reaching those deep, restorative stages where your body can truly heal. Founder of Sia Silk, Evalee, a former professional dancer who learned firsthand how sleep dramatically affected her performance abilities, shares game-changing insights about optimizing sleep quality through simple environmental adjustments.
One surprising revelation is the significant difference between men's and women's sleep needs. Research shows men typically get more deep sleep than women in the same amount of time, and women generally need closer to nine hours of quality rest for proper hormonal regulation. This disparity explains why many women feel chronically exhausted despite seemingly adequate sleep—our bodies simply require more restorative rest than we're giving them.
The conversation explores practical, accessible ways to transform your sleep experience, from creating a brief but effective wind-down routine to understanding how light exposure affects your melatonin production. Even small changes—like using red light in the evening (which mimics ancestral firelight) or wearing a quality sleep mask—can dramatically improve your sleep quality, affecting everything from weight management to mental health.
For those with specific energy types like manifesting generators, physical activity throughout the day proves essential for quality rest. As Evalee explains, "If I don't actually do even just a few minutes of physical activity, I really can't sleep." These personalized insights demonstrate how understanding your unique body can transform your relationship with rest.
Ready to revolutionize your sleep? Start with one small adjustment tonight. Your mind, body, and future self will thank you for prioritizing this fundamental pillar of health that affects literally everything else in your life.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome back to the podcast Journey to Well.
So today is a good one becauseI talk about sleep often on my
Instagram channel with myfriends.
I am joined today with Eva Lee.
She's a 3-5 emotionalmanifesting generator, so kind
(00:22):
of get into human designthroughout, kind of just linked
throughout the podcast.
But today we're going to betalking about the importance of
sleep, also how to create thebest environment for sleep,
because there's actually somethings that we can do that
really benefit the quality ofour sleep, not just the amount
(00:44):
of time that we're laying in bed, right.
So I'm super excited to haveyou on the podcast Evilly.
If you could give a littleintro it doesn't have to be
anything specific, honestly,just who is Evilly?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Let's start just kind of making some connections and
then we'll get into the niceconversation of sleep
connections and then we'll getinto the nice conversation of
sleep, sure, so, um, I guessI'll give you a little
background on me.
I, uh, I used to live in LA, Iwas a yoga teacher and
(01:18):
eventually became a professionaldancer.
So I always was reallyconnected to my body and really
aware of how, you know, healthand wellness affected my
performance and how I felt in mybody in a day to day.
So I got really interested inall the health and wellness
things like nutrition and, youknow, exercise and obviously as
a yoga instructor.
But I realized pretty quicklythat sleep was kind of the
(01:39):
cornerstone of all of it, of howyou look, how you feel and
definitely how you perform.
Like, if I didn't get a goodnight's sleep and I had an
audition or performance the nextday, I really felt it Like I
probably wasn't going to bookthat job, so, um.
So I got really interested inhow to optimize my sleep,
because I've never been a greatsleeper and as I dug in on
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research, I realized thatsleeping in total darkness is
one of the most key componentsto getting really restorative
sleep.
There are so many benefits toit that range from everything
like metabolic health andhormone regulation and longevity
and even lowering your risk ofdepression and obesity.
So you know the list goes on.
(02:24):
It's really important to sleepin total darkness and you know,
as a starving artist, I didn'thave the money to like outfit my
house with blackout curtainsand things like that, and you
know I'd be on tour andtraveling or working late nights
.
So I realized very quickly thata sleep mask is one of the best
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tools to maximize your sleepquality and you know it's such a
great return investment becausesleep masks are really cheap
and affordable and convenientand you can travel with them and
so and you really it reallydoes affect your sleep quality
in a big, big way.
But I tried a million differentmasks.
I tried all the masks on themarket, all the kinds of masks,
(03:08):
and they were either, you know,like cheap synthetic that fell
apart when you wash them andmade me break out when I wore
them, or they had nice silkmasks that just didn't stay on
and didn't work and didn't fitand weren't very comfortable.
So I eventually decided tocreate my own sleep mask.
So I created a design, a uniquedesign.
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It's a little bit larger thanyour average sleep mask, you
have a little bit bettercoverage and it has extra thick
padding, so it's thicker andmore cushiony and has larger
than standard eye cups.
Because I have really longlashes and I found that my
eyelashes were always gettinglike smashed and real wonky, and
so I created a mask that hadmore room for your eyes and that
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also helps it conform to yourface and just like get that real
blackout seal.
And it's adjustable too,because I have a tiny head and I
could never find masks that fit.
I'm like all over sewing.
You know you spend a bunch ofmoney in a silk mask, so I'm
over to sew it to fit my head.
So it was important to me tomake sure that people could get
like a custom fit, and then thewhole mask is made out of really
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high quality silk, so it'sreally, really good for your
skin.
It has anti-aging qualities,it's also better for the
environment and all the things.
So that's been my journey andthat's you know kind of where.
What got me to here and now Ijust like to spend my time
helping people understand whygetting better sleep is so
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important and helping them dothat.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
So I love that.
I love the classic manifestinggenerator, like, oh, this
doesn't exist in the world yet,let me just create it.
No big deal Like that'sdefinitely in human design.
Manifesting generators are kindof that bridge between bringing
things that don't exist yetinto reality, and I'm also a
(05:03):
manifesting generator.
So if I like see something thatis it doesn't exist, or if
there's something that's in myworld that I want that I don't
know how to get it, I oftentimesjust create it as well.
So that's the classic Manny Jenenergy.
Right there.
I'm curious.
In the beginning you said Ihave always been a bad sleeper.
(05:25):
What can you?
Can you expound upon that,expand upon that a little bit of
what do you mean by bad sleeper?
And and like, what had, um,what, what happens or what had
been happening?
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Yeah, I, I always tease my husband and say I'm
like the princess and the pea.
I have to be in my own bed.
I have to.
You know, I don't know, I justI never was good at falling
asleep.
I was never great at stayingasleep.
I think I struggled withinsomnia and, you know, learning
to meditate and yoga likereally helps with that, but yeah
(06:03):
, I just never was good.
Like you know, some people,like my husband, can fall asleep
anywhere in minutes, and thatis not me.
I can't sleep on an airplane orin a car, you know, like I'm
I'm not a great sleeper, buthaving a sleep mask, you know,
it helps me kind of create mylittle cocoon and my little like
(06:24):
perfect sleep environmentanywhere.
So that's also really reallyhelped me get better sleep.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Yeah, yeah, and it's something that you can carry
with you too.
Which I know you and I talkedabout before is we don't know
like I travel a lot too, so wedon't know if there's going to
be nice shades at the Airbnbthat you're staying at.
Hotels tend to have pretty goodcurtains, but still if they
have that like crack that youcan't cover with the curtain,
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then you're just getting blindedwith sunlight, and I used to
spend a lot of time in New Yorkand I would sleep in kind of
like this um top floor room thatthey didn't have any curtains
on the windows, and so it wouldjust be, you know, city lights
at night and then sunlight inthe morning, and having a sleep
(07:16):
mask would really help me getthat like consistent sleep as
well.
I think it does.
It really does help with theconsistency of the quality of
your sleep.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
I totally agree.
And traveling really is a goodpoint, because even if your
hotel does have blackoutcurtains, there's often a smoke
detector or an air conditionerand like little green or blue
lights on them and you know wedon't think about the light
pollution.
You know like our our roommight feel dark, but even if
there's like a little bit of aglow from the street lamp
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outside or there's a nightlightin your hall or something and
just that little crack of light.
Our eyelids really aren't madeto filter the light, so we
really do see it and it reallydoes affect the quality of our
sleep, and without getting tothose really specific levels you
know there's four levels ofsleep and without getting to the
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REM or that deep sleep, thenyour hormones can't really
restart and regulate, your cellsdon't regenerate like.
You just can't get into thatsame restorative space.
And so, even if you're one ofthose people that can sleep
anywhere and doesn't have aproblem like, you're still going
to wake up, not that refreshed,you're still going to feel it
and you're just feeling sluggishor brain fog or you know
(08:33):
whatever it's also have apossibility of, you know,
gaining more weight because yourwhole metabolism isn't working
as well and your heart rate ishigher.
So, yeah, it really.
You know, unless you want to, Iknew somebody that used to
travel stickers and they wouldgo put stickers on all the
little lights and hotel room butlike, what a pain in the butt.
(08:55):
You know like.
Or you can just grab a sleepmask and take it with you.
Ours comes with like a littletravel pouch and you know it
doesn't weigh anything, you justthrow it in your bag and it's
just makes all the difference inthe world.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Super easy and I definitely do want to kind of
dive into the sleep mask.
But I'm curious if just kind ofhaving that conversation of
sleep for people that areresonating with oh, I feel like
I've always been a terriblesleeper.
I don't necessarily think thatI've been a terrible sleeper.
I am probably a little bit morelike your husband Like I can
sleep on planes and I can fallasleep relatively quickly.
(09:28):
But there's a lot of thingsthat I have done in my life,
especially in my daily eveningroutine, that support better
quality sleep.
So I'm curious what otherthings you have learned and that
you've developed along yoursleep journey that might be
beneficial to try.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Yeah, there's lots of things and and this and a
nighttime routine is definitelysomething that we don't think
about that much, but yeah, I do.
You know I learned to meditatewhen I was 19 and that that like
changed my life, especially interms of my sleep and my ability
to like turn my brain off andgo to sleep.
So, you know, having a goodnighttime routine is really
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important and it could beanything like from having your
nighttime tea or taking a bathbefore bed, or, you know, some
people read.
I often read before bed, but youknow, I always will turn the
lights off and take you know,five minutes to just take some
deep breaths, get centered,quiet my mind.
Um, we also sell some other kindof nighttime routine products
(10:35):
that we have this really nicearomatherapy roll on it's
lavender oil and it's infusedwith amethyst crystals which are
good for, you know, spiritualwellbeing and just calming, and
the lavender obviously is reallygreat stress relief.
So that can help you just kindof start to unwind.
That you take some nice deepbreaths, put your mask on.
That can just help you driftoff to sleep a little faster.
(10:58):
We also have a sleep kit andit's like everything you need to
get your best night's sleep.
So it comes with like bathsalts and nighttime tea and lip
balm and earplugs and thearomatherapy and the mask all
together in like one little giftbox.
So it's like a really greatself-care gift and it helps you
kind of cultivate that nighttimeroutine of just letting,
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helping signal your brain andyour body that it's time to wind
down and get ready to sleep,which can be hard.
You know we live in such ahustle culture.
The other thing that's reallyimportant is light and it not
just to be in darkness whenyou're sleeping, but like to
actually start to limit thequality of light in your
environment for the few hoursleading up to bed.
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So like we're surrounded byscreens you know we have blue
light and and led lights and ourTVs, our computers and our
phones all are putting off acertain frequency of light that
actually suppresses ourmelatonin production and kind of
stresses out the brain.
Like that's fine in the morningwhen you want the cortisol to
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start pumping and to wake you upand get you going for the day,
but you don't want that cortisolgoing when you're trying to go
to sleep.
That's a stress hormone and youwant that melatonin to start
pumping so it regulates all yourother horm hormonal processes
so you can really go to sleepand get that restorative rest.
So limiting your screen timebefore bed or, you know, turning
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off your LEDs and using likeincandescent bulbs or candles
before bed can really help youcalm down and prepare to get
much better sleep you calm downand prepare to get much better
sleep.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Yeah, I don't know where I read this or really what
it said, but when you'retalking about amethyst, I
actually have an amethystcrystal by my bed and I must've
read somewhere that it was goodto have amethyst by your bed
because that's why it's there.
But lavender is a really greatone.
I definitely use lavender.
You can also diffuse it.
I've diffused lavender foryears now.
(12:59):
But the red light, or thereducing light, is so important.
I talk all the time about redlight.
I actually just had a podcastepisode about red light therapy,
which is different than justred light.
But I've done in the past.
I've done, um, the smart bulbsyou can get in.
(13:20):
Like, if you have a bedroomlamp, exchange it with a smart
bulb, if you have an Alexa or asmart home, and I would always
just do red light at night andjust have that light change.
Um, you know, once the sun goesdown.
There's also glasses.
I mean you look a little sillywearing like red, red glasses,
but yes, those, I have them bymy bed.
(13:42):
So if I'm reading at night too,or or if I'm watching TV,
honestly it makes such adifference.
You don't know until you know.
But you can get those redglasses on Amazon for relatively
cheap.
I think mine are like moneybags or whatever.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Yeah, and they do.
They make a really bigdifference.
I didn't know about the smartbulbs, but that's really cool.
We have incandescent bulbswhich not recently had been
banned in America and they'vejust been re put back on the
market.
But they were banned for thelast like four years and now
they're legal again, which isgreat, because LEDs the theory
(14:24):
about LEDs that they're use lessenergy, but they do put off
blue light and they flicker,which causes stress to your eyes
and your brain, so they'reactually really harmful and
they're bad for the environmenttoo.
They're bad for animals andstuff.
So it's really great thatincandescent bulbs are making a
comeback, because they actuallyput off the same frequency as
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light as like fire does, whichis calming and good.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
That's the whole.
I did a deep dive a couple ofyears ago when I started doing
red light at night and I heardthis on a podcast, but they kind
of went into the history behind.
The red light actually is kindof mimicking, like a candlelight
or a fire.
So when we were like back intribal times, when we didn't
have electricity, we didn't havelight at night.
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The only thing that we had wascandles or fires and that's how
we would light our homes orlight, you know, the tent or
whatever, and that's why ourbrains they assimilate that with
okay, it's time to sleep.
And that's where, like, themelatonin production comes in.
And there's so many simplethings that we can do that we
(15:31):
don't even realize like this, oreven just limiting the light,
like you're saying, or the typeof light.
I didn't actually know thatabout incandescent versus LED.
I don't even know what mylights are at home or my lamp
lights, but there's so manythings that we can do to help,
like you're saying, like ourhormone production and the
stress hormones.
(15:52):
I think a lot of peopleobviously, like we live in such
a fast paced society that it'sreally hard for us to slow down
and a lot of us are just kind ofcoming to the end of the day
exhausted and we fall into bedand then we just pass out, but
then we're still having that,like I think I saw.
(16:13):
Do you have an aura ring?
I do, yeah.
So like it's so interesting totrack your sleep and track how
much movement and REM you'regetting and deep sleep and like
the latency of your sleep, howfast you fall asleep, and that
was really interesting to me,because aura will tell you you
can fall asleep too fast andthat means that you're too tired
(16:35):
, too exhausted, that you needto create a little bit more Well
, you need to invitation tocreate a little bit more balance
.
And that's really where thatnighttime routine could come in,
which could be five minutes,like I like that you said just
five minutes doing breathing atnight.
I think sometimes we think ofnighttime routines like they
have to be an hour.
(16:57):
They don't really.
It can be five minutes ofbreathing or five minutes like
rolling on some lavender,something like that.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Yeah, exactly Anything that just helps you
kind of get centered and calmdown and, you know, quiet your
mind.
That was one of the things likemy racing thoughts, so like that
.
That's's where, when I learnedto meditate, it made a big, big
difference for me of just, youknow, connecting to my breath
and kind of turning my brain off.
But that's such a good pointwhat you said.
(17:26):
Like I do think that people areburnt out and so you just kind
of fall into bed and you'resleeping from this exhaustion
place and, again, that may notbe the most restorative place to
be sleeping Like, have you everbeen so tired?
And you just like crash out andyou sleep like 10 hours and you
wake up exhausted, like, andit's just like well, that means
(17:47):
that you're too tired and you'renot really getting the quality
of sleep that you should begetting.
And I think it's such a goodpoint.
We live in such a crazy society,like it it really is.
There's such a focus to kind ofbeing hectic, the hectic
lifestyle and the go, go, go, go, go and do a million things and
, um, you know, especially forwomen, I think we're a bit kind
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of taught to be people pleasers,so we're kind of always putting
everyone above ourselves andand it can be really hard to
prioritize our rest and our selfcare because we feel bad about
feel guilty and, unfortunately,like you can't give from an
empty well, like you have totake time and give yourself
permission to prioritize yourrest, and sometimes that means
(18:33):
you know you have to take a napor something.
Your rest and sometimes thatmeans you know you have to take
a nap or something Time out ofyour day.
You have to just, you know,slow down because it is there's
a lot of pressure to just keepgoing.
And the other interesting thingis that men can function on a
lot less sleep than women can.
Yes, yeah, there's someinteresting stays.
One is that in the same amountof time, men tend to get more
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time in the REM and deep sleep,so that really restorative
levels sleep than women do.
Women tend to like go in andout of it and not stay there as
long.
And so, just if we were to likego to bed at the same time and
get up at the same time, we havesignificantly less quality of
sleep than men.
So that's interesting.
But the other interesting thingis that men can function a lot
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less sleep, so they can functionon six to eight hours of sleep
and be fine and not necessarilyfeel that sleep deprivation, but
because of our much morecomplex hormonal systems, we
just can't do that.
So most women need closer tolike nine hours of sleep a night
in order to get the samerestoration and because our
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hormones get so depleted if wetry to function on less sleep
than we need, like we reallyjust can't, like we just don't
function as well, you know.
That's, I think, where some ofthose negative taboos about
women, about.
You know.
That's I think where some ofthose negative taboos about
women, about, you know, hysteriaor whatever comes in is that
it's like we're sleep deprived,you know, and we take on the
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role we take on.
We're taking care of the babiesand cleaning the house and
trying to be career people anddoing 8 million things for 8
million people and you know wejust we can't do it, especially
if we're not taking the time tolike really get good sleep and
not at least the way men can.
So it's it's really interestingto dig into that stuff yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
I had not heard that you, that men can in the same
amount of sleep.
They spend more time in REM.
I had heard well, REM and deepsleep.
I had heard that women when Ifirst heard yeah, it was like
women need like eight to 10hours, I'm like, oh my gosh,
that is so much.
But honestly, if I've alsospent the past maybe year or two
(20:49):
on well longer than that, Idon't like alarm clocks and I
know that that's obviously notan option for some people.
If you have to be at work by9am, you I mean actually that's
a whole conversation because onecould argue, if you're taking
more time for your nighttimeroutine and you're getting
(21:10):
better quality sleep, that youwould possibly be able to wake
up at, you know, 6am every dayif you're getting the same
amount of sleep and you're notwaking up in exhaustion.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
I think you hit the nail on the head about the
consistency.
If you go to the same time, youactually will train your body
to be on a schedule.
I don't use an alarm clock andI do get up at 730 every day.
Yeah, it's just, my body isjust as trained to wake up at
that time.
But consistency is importantwith the quality of your sleep
as well.
So I'm about that a lot likegoing to bed at the same time
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and staying on the same scheduleis really good for you.
I didn't mean to cut you off,though.
No, that's okay.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
No good, good point, but yeah, so I was just saying I
, I, I've been practicing, butfor more than a couple of years.
I mean, this has been basicallysince I left corporate America,
where I had to wake up at like6am every day.
Uh, I, I don't wake up to analarm, and it's very helpful to
allow, like, but you're right, Ido wake up.
(22:13):
I wake up between like six, 30and seven every day, Naturally,
um, there was something that Iwas going to say about that,
though, but it's, it's just.
Oh, that's what I was going tosay.
Obviously, a big part of mybusiness is cycle alignment and,
like, cycle syncing.
So another very interestingthing is we actually need a
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little bit more sleep in ourluteal phase, because our body,
if you think about it, ourbodies, are preparing to shed,
which is like going through thedeath process, or I mean, you
could get like very likespiritually into this, but like,
physically, we're we'reshedding, we're like shedding
the egg from our liner, um, andso your body is preparing for
that, so it needs a little bitmore sleep.
(22:55):
So it's also interesting for me, and you can track this just by
yourself, or, if you have anaura ring, start noticing.
When you're in the luteal phase, I always sleep like I'll
always sleep closer to seven,versus when I'm in my follicular
or ovulation phase.
I like wake up like 615, 630,and I'm ready to go.
(23:15):
It's not dramatic, but it isinteresting to notice the
differences.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
That is really interesting.
I did not know that.
Thank you for sharing that.
That makes a lot of sense,though, because I know I mean
I'm pregnant now, but before,when I would be in my ludo phase
, I would just feel more tired,like I just needed more rest.
I didn't have the same energylevels whenever, so that makes
feel more tired, like I justneeded more rest.
I didn't have the same energylevels, whatever.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
That makes a lot of sense.
That's so interesting, Superinteresting.
Yeah, yeah, I love not.
I feel like we're just talking.
I'm talking a lot about OuraRing, but but when we talk about
sleep, I feel like I am a verydata-driven person.
I have a one line in humandesign which is the investigator
, and they tend to be like very,very data driven.
They want to know their, yourresources and where you got that
information.
So using something that has thebiometric data is very helpful
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for me.
To see what my score is, to seehow much movement I have.
Alcohol, I mean, oh my gosh, weall know that we sleep worse
with alcohol.
There's there's no way that youcan convince me that you think
that you sleep better.
You don't, Um.
But to see the reflection onyour aura ring.
I mean I go from like a 92sleep score to like a 70 or a 60
(24:27):
sleep score and you're outside.
I mean you don't really feellike you feel more tired and you
feel hung over right, it's kindof the wording that we use, but
if you're looking at the databehind it, your heart rate is
elevated, your temperature oftenis elevated.
You have more movement.
You have way more disturbedsleep.
(24:47):
Same with eating before bed,Like have you ever explored that
eating, stopping eating?
Speaker 2 (24:54):
like three hours before bed.
I have that eating.
Stopping eating, like threehours before bed I have, um, I'm
one of those freak people,though, that I think I have like
blood sugar crashes.
So I'll like wake up in themiddle of the night starving,
and then I want to go back tosleep and that's really annoying
to have to get up and eat.
I mean, I do now that I'mpregnant.
I can't make it through thenight.
I have to get up and eat, butbefore I would eat something
(25:15):
before bed so that I couldthrough the night.
But it is true, like I wouldn'teat anything heavy, I would
usually do like a, you know,like a hot chocolate with
protein in it or something thatwould be like calming and
relaxing but would have proteinthat would keep me satiated
through the night.
But yeah, it's true, like theysay, you should not eat anything
at least two hours before bedbecause it does disturb it.
(25:37):
And you know, also, we werelike coffee addicts.
Yeah, that's another point Morethan like your one or two cups
of coffee and drinking coffeelater in the day, because coffee
actually has a half-life oflike 12 hours.
Yeah, if you drink coffee atnoon it's not really going to
(25:58):
wear out Like the effects ofthat caffeine aren't really
going to wear off until likemidnight.
So if you're trying to go tobed at like nine or 10 o'clock
at night, that's going toprevent you from getting good
sleep and falling asleep early.
So, yeah, those are all thingsto consider when you're trying
to get better sleep.
But you're so right about thealcohol I don't drink.
But partly why I don't drink isthat when I was younger and
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would drink, I just I couldn'tsleep at all.
I just, you know, I'd pass outfor like an hour or two and then
I would just toss and turn therest of the night and then I'd
wake up feeling like absolutegarbage and I was like there's,
this isn't worth it, don't drink.
But yeah, it really does affectthe quality of your sleep in a
big way.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Yeah, I've significantly reduced, uh, how
much I drink and how often Idrink, but I'll still have like
a glass of wine, even just oneone glass of wine still affects
negatively affects my sleepscore, which is just affects
negatively affects my sleepscore, which is just, I mean,
it's.
it's so interesting just tobegin to pay attention.
(27:01):
I think one of the reasons Ireally wanted to have this
conversation is that there's notreally anything profoundly new
that we're saying right Like.
This is all science, this hasbeen researched for years.
There's a lot of talk aboutlet's get better sleep, but I
think why I wanted to have thisconversation is because I wanted
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to send the invitation to openthe door, to begin to think
about your sleep, to begin tothink about the quality of your
sleep, how you're approachingyour evening, your evening
routine again, whether that'sfive minutes or an hour, or even
if it's just trying a sleepmask and seeing how that
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improves your sleep.
You don't have to do everysingle thing that we're
suggesting or giving ideas about, but oftentimes we do overlook
sleep.
We do overlook like oh well, Igot, I gave myself seven hours
to sleep tonight, but I stillfeel exhausted or I still slept
(28:03):
like shit.
Okay, what did you do beforebed?
What did you do during bed?
There's there's a lot of thingsthat we can add to our routine
and our daily practices that arenot time consuming, they're not
really that expensive andthey're not that difficult to
incorporate, but it's going tomake such a big difference.
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I mean everything that you said, like in our hormone levels and
the way that we look in holdingonto weight, if our body is
always in that stress state.
That's why our bodies hold ontoweight.
It's not that you're eating toomuch fast food.
Maybe it is that you're eatingtoo much fast food, but if
you're eating healthy, if you'redoing all the other things, you
have to look at your stresslevels, and sleep plays a huge
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role in that.
So there's so many differentways that we can approach this,
but that's why I really wantedto have this conversation with
sleep.
So I want to briefly touch uponthis face mask, this sleep mask
, and then we'll kind of closehow we normally close.
So you obviously introed thisin the beginning, but can you go
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over what the differences arein your sleep mask, um, and then
we'll kind of go from there.
I love that it has deeper holes, because I too have long
eyelashes.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Yeah, yeah, so, um, yeah again.
So it's, it's a unique design.
It looks kind of like youraverage you know contoured silk
mask, but when you actually holdit in your hands or hold them
next to each other, you canreally see the difference.
It's it's a little bit larger,so you really get full coverage,
and it has, like I said, extrathick padding.
So the eye cups are, on average, like a centimeter to a
centimeter and a half deeperthan your average eye cup.
(29:53):
Um, we use really soft lowresistance foam so it does
compress the eye cup a bit, butit that just makes it extra
cushiony.
It's like sleeping on a cloud.
It just conforms your face.
It's so comfortable and the eyecups are larger round as well
because of the bigger coverage.
So there's more for eyes and theeye cup is deeper.
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And I did that because I dohave long lashes and even though
I tried you know the kind ofaverage cookie cutter design
that's out there it just I stillfelt like it wasn't very
comfortable, it didn't reallystay in place and then my lashes
still were getting smashed,even with the eye cups.
So I was like, how do we makethis as deep as possible?
I would have made them evendeeper, but you know, has to fit
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, because it's silk.
It has to fit through thesewing machine.
So it was like we can do it.
But that's also.
We don't use any chemicaladhesives, we don't use any
synthetic fabrics, so it'sreally good for your skin.
And and silk is, um, it looksamazing, it's.
So we use really really highquality silk.
It's unbelievably soft andsmooth, so there's less friction
(30:58):
, so that creates less pull onyour skin.
But it also absorbs lessmoisture than like cotton or
synthetic matte uh fabrics do,so like, if you put.
You know, I'm in my 40s, I useexpensive face creams and I
don't want it to like suck offinto my sleep mask.
I want to like absorb into myskin and so like absorb it as
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much.
So that's really good.
So it helps your skin and yourhair maintain its moisture.
And they have even done studiesthat show if you have, like, a
wound and you bind it in silkinstead of cotton, it will heal
faster.
So what that shows thatactually speeds up the cell
turnover of your skin.
So it's literally anti-aging.
Wow, yeah, so it's really goodfor your skin and, like, like I
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said, it's adjustable.
So it's the only mask.
Like I said, I tried a lot ofmasks and it's the only mask
I've ever had that stayed inplace, was really comfortable,
blocked all light and didn'tsmash my lashes.
It didn't cause me to break out.
So it's naturally antimicrobial.
So it's all the good things.
(32:02):
Obviously, it's a little bitmore expensive because because
we use a lot of really highquality silk, which is expensive
.
But you know, again, if you'relooking at like oh, I could
outfit my house with blackoutcurtains, whatever, like no,
invest in a really good sleepmask.
And yeah, it's.
I think it's the single mosthelpful tool to increase your
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sleep quality.
And then, of course, we'vetalked about some of the other
tools are very inexpensive andsome of the other things that
don't cost anything.
Just take a little disciplinethat can really increase your
sleep quality.
But if you're going to investin one thing, I would say invest
in sleep masks, because thereturn on investment is so high.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Yeah, I would agree it took me a while to find a
mask, but I enjoy.
I do have light that comes in,like under my eyes.
So it's not exactly like yours,obviously, but it took me a
while to find one that I likedand it has improved my sleep for
sure, and it continues toimprove my sleep.
(33:04):
We were at dinner the othernight and who knows why, we were
talking about sleep masks.
I don't know, but the couplethat we were having dinner with,
he didn't.
He was.
We were talking about sleepmouse and I think he has one or
something or I don't know whathe was saying, but he didn't
even know that they had sleepmasks that have the holes for
your eyes because he wascommenting on but he didn't even
(33:24):
know that they had sleep masksthat have the holes for your
eyes because he was commentingon how his like, he's like I
can't blink and like the sleepmasks that are flat are like, so
out, don't try those, becausethey also are flat and they
don't like help your nose.
I have a larger nose or maybe alarge, the higher bridge.
Yeah, I don't know.
But yeah, I've tried the flatones and they don't do anything
(33:48):
because you have that like allof the light coming in under.
But I was like no, they makeones that have eye holes, you
know.
So maybe people don't even knowthat.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
I don't know.
I mean we do have a lot of menthat buy our masks.
We have some really nice, moremasculine colors and we have,
you know, more girly colors too,but um, and we do, ours has
like a slightly higher nose cutout for that reason.
I mean, everybody's face isdifferent, everyone's nose is
different and so, you know, somepeople aren't going to get
total blackout.
(34:19):
It's, you know, some peopleit's going to be more
comfortable for than others, youknow.
But I think overall, it's, it'sbetter than what is out there
at least in my experience so.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Absolutely.
Yeah Well, and the adjustablestrap, I think is very helpful
too, because then then you'reable to tighten it a little bit,
which would also maybe helpwith with kind of solidifying it
to your face.
But anyway, super funconversation, thank you.
Thank you for coming on.
I have two more, two morepieces.
I would like to chat a littlebit of your human design.
(34:53):
We've already kind of talkedabout this, but in in regards to
sleep, I'll kind of align thisto sleep, and we've already
talked a little bit aboutmanifesting generators.
But one other point that Iwanted to bring up about human
design and yours specifically,your what's called a manifesting
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generator, energy type, whichwe have five different energy
types.
We could be a manifestinggenerator, a manifester, a
generator, a reflector or aprojector, and manifesting
generators and generators arewhat makes them that specific
energy type is.
You have what's called adefined sacral center, and our
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sacral center is our life force,energy.
It's like our powerhouse center, it's where we get a lot of our
physical energy from.
If you think also in terms oflike the chakra system, you can
think in terms of like thesacral chakra and because of
that fact, mgs and generators,one of the things that we kind
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of invite in these energy typesis make sure that you're
physically expanding, expelling,expelling your energy
throughout the day, where you'reactually physically exerting
yourself to help bring like kindof drain that battery.
If you think of of energy typesin terms of batteries,
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generators, manifestinggenerators have like one large
battery and that their job is todrain that battery throughout
the day.
So when you come to the end ofthe day with an empty battery,
that does not mean that yourbattery is like completely
depleted and over emptied, likewe talked about, kind of falling
into bed like just fuckingexhausted.
(36:42):
Um, but to drain the battery tolike 20%, 10%, right,
projectors, manifestors andreflectors, they have little
batteries that their job is tokind of drain throughout the day
and then once they drain thatbattery, they need to take a
break, they need to get out ofpeople's energy to recharge that
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battery and then eventuallycome back to whatever they're
doing.
So projectors, reflectors,manifestors, they tend to do a
little bit better.
They tend to thrive more,optimize their energy when
they're taking those breaksthroughout the day.
So for you being a manifestinggenerator, and any MGs or
generators out there that arelistening, one of the tips that
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I would add to this conversationis making sure that you're
physically using your bodythroughout the day, whether
that's going for a walk, whetherthat's working out for you,
maybe dancing, right, make surethat you're using your energy
throughout the day, even if it's10, 15 minutes.
I follow an MG on on Instagramand she talks a lot about that.
(37:49):
She's like, even if I just workout for 15, 20 minutes, she has
some you know workout videothat she enjoys doing.
She always says she sleeps somuch better and I know that that
makes a really big difference.
For me is to make sure that I'musing my body.
So then you're coming to theend of the day and again that
battery is is drained, you know,10, 20% like physically,
(38:12):
emotionally, spiritually, um,you're just making sure that
that that battery is is drained.
So then overnight, when you'relaying down which is how we kind
of recharge our sacral center,that battery is going to be um,
built back up.
But that might also affect yoursleep too.
If you're someone that's verysedentary I mean, this is
general, right, you don't haveto be a manifesting generator or
(38:35):
generator but it would affectthose energy types more.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
That's so interesting .
Thank you for sharing that,because you know I run a
business so I do often feel likesuper exhausted at the end of
the day, like mentally,emotionally.
But if I don't actually do evenjust a few minutes of some
physical activity, I reallycan't sleep, and if I do that
like for three days in a row,like it will really affect my
sleep.
So I have to like work outreally regularly.
(39:02):
Even if it is, like you said,just going for a walk or just
doing 15 minutes of highintensity exercise or something,
it will make such a bigdifference in my sleep quality
and I didn't know that, but thatI'm like that's connecting the
dots for me.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
Yeah, yeah, I think I don't know.
I don't know about you, but Itend to be like a zero to 100
person or an all or nothingperson.
So with working out I'd be like, well, if I can't go to the gym
for an hour, then I'm not doinganything.
And that's not the case.
We can.
We can introduce this newperspective of oh what if I just
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saw how I felt if I moved mybody for 15 minutes, even if
it's just like dancing aroundyour kitchen when you're cooking
, my body for 50 minutes, evenif it's just like dancing around
your kitchen when you'recooking.
We don't have to do thisstructured drive all the way to
the gym, lift weights for anhour and then go home.
It can be creative and see whatbrings you more energy.
I mean, being outside for mealways brings me more energy.
(40:00):
So if I can exercise outside, Iwill.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
But yeah, like squats while you're watching TV or
something.
So yeah, absolutely, I've heardthat do squats every commercial
break.
Yeah, they're especially goodif you're pregnant.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
Oh loud, I bet, I bet .
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Do squats.
Just you can't do enough squats.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
Yeah, oh my gosh.
Well, there you go, do somesquats while you're watching TV
or waiting for your dinner tocook, or something like that,
absolutely.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
I love that.
Well, thank you so much forsharing.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
Oh, you're welcome.
Yeah, super fun.
So I like to end with thisquestion, and it can be sleep
related or not, it doesn't haveto be.
But if you were standing on astage and you had one message to
share 30 seconds a minute withthe world, what would you share?
Speaker 2 (40:56):
I'm like I immediately just got anxious.
I hate being on stage unlessI'm dancing.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
You're just, you're not standing on stage, but um.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
No, I think it's just to have more grace and to have
more permission.
Like you know, we talked about,you can't give from an empty
well, and we're just soconditioned not to give to
ourselves.
So it's really just to bekinder to yourself, to take time
for yourself, to have grace.
You know everybody has gooddays and has bad days, and you
(41:27):
know sometimes it's just notyour day and so instead of being
hard on yourself, just beinglike, okay, well, today's not my
day, I'm gonna come backtomorrow and just try to show up
as my best self.
So I just, yeah, I thinkthere's just so much pressure on
all of us in today's world andI just want people to be kinder
to themselves and also becausepermission for yourself is
(41:50):
permission for others, and sothe kinder you are for to
yourself, then that reflects inyour interactions out in the
world, and then you're justspending kindness and you're
influencing that, that kindnessto spread.
So I just it makes the world abetter place.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
I love that.
Thank you, I love that message.
So, where can people find you?
I forgot to do that.
Where can people find you?
Where do you hang out?
And also, if they're curious toexplore the sleep mask, where
can they find that?
Speaker 2 (42:23):
Yeah, I don't really do social media personally, but
we do have social media for thebrand.
So it's Sia Silk which is S-I-ASilk, and that's pretty much
TikTok Instagram meta all thethings interests.
Yeah, all the things.
So you can find us there and ifyou want to shop our products,
(42:45):
we also have lots of great blogsand resources on our website,
so just go to see a silkcom.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
Yay, and I'll put all those links down below so
there'll be clickable and wayeasier to to find.
But for people that just listenand they don't like to read the
description, it's nice to sayyeah, this was such a fun
conversation evilly.
Thank you for coming on oh mygosh.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
Thank you so much for having me.
This was really fun and apleasure, so thank you.
Welcome back to the podcast Journey to Well.
So today is a good one becauseI talk about sleep often on my
Instagram channel with myfriends.
I am joined today with Eva Lee.
She's a 3-5 emotionalmanifesting generator, so kind
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of get into human designthroughout, kind of just linked
throughout the podcast.
But today we're going to betalking about the importance of
sleep, also how to create thebest environment for sleep,
because there's actually somethings that we can do that
really benefit the quality ofour sleep, not just the amount
(00:44):
of time that we're laying in bed, right.
So I'm super excited to haveyou on the podcast Evilly.
If you could give a littleintro it doesn't have to be
anything specific, honestly,just who is Evilly?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Let's start just kind of making some connections and
then we'll get into the niceconversation of sleep
connections and then we'll getinto the nice conversation of
sleep, sure, so, um, I guessI'll give you a little
background on me.
I, uh, I used to live in LA, Iwas a yoga teacher and
(01:18):
eventually became a professionaldancer.
So I always was reallyconnected to my body and really
aware of how, you know, healthand wellness affected my
performance and how I felt in mybody in a day to day.
So I got really interested inall the health and wellness
things like nutrition and, youknow, exercise and obviously as
a yoga instructor.
But I realized pretty quicklythat sleep was kind of the
(01:39):
cornerstone of all of it, of howyou look, how you feel and
definitely how you perform.
Like, if I didn't get a goodnight's sleep and I had an
audition or performance the nextday, I really felt it Like I
probably wasn't going to bookthat job, so, um.
So I got really interested inhow to optimize my sleep,
because I've never been a greatsleeper and as I dug in on
(02:02):
research, I realized thatsleeping in total darkness is
one of the most key componentsto getting really restorative
sleep.
There are so many benefits toit that range from everything
like metabolic health andhormone regulation and longevity
and even lowering your risk ofdepression and obesity.
So you know the list goes on.
(02:24):
It's really important to sleepin total darkness and you know,
as a starving artist, I didn'thave the money to like outfit my
house with blackout curtainsand things like that, and you
know I'd be on tour andtraveling or working late nights
.
So I realized very quickly thata sleep mask is one of the best
(02:45):
tools to maximize your sleepquality and you know it's such a
great return investment becausesleep masks are really cheap
and affordable and convenientand you can travel with them and
so and you really it reallydoes affect your sleep quality
in a big, big way.
But I tried a million differentmasks.
I tried all the masks on themarket, all the kinds of masks,
(03:08):
and they were either, you know,like cheap synthetic that fell
apart when you wash them andmade me break out when I wore
them, or they had nice silkmasks that just didn't stay on
and didn't work and didn't fitand weren't very comfortable.
So I eventually decided tocreate my own sleep mask.
So I created a design, a uniquedesign.
(03:32):
It's a little bit larger thanyour average sleep mask, you
have a little bit bettercoverage and it has extra thick
padding, so it's thicker andmore cushiony and has larger
than standard eye cups.
Because I have really longlashes and I found that my
eyelashes were always gettinglike smashed and real wonky, and
so I created a mask that hadmore room for your eyes and that
(03:53):
also helps it conform to yourface and just like get that real
blackout seal.
And it's adjustable too,because I have a tiny head and I
could never find masks that fit.
I'm like all over sewing.
You know you spend a bunch ofmoney in a silk mask, so I'm
over to sew it to fit my head.
So it was important to me tomake sure that people could get
like a custom fit, and then thewhole mask is made out of really
(04:15):
high quality silk, so it'sreally, really good for your
skin.
It has anti-aging qualities,it's also better for the
environment and all the things.
So that's been my journey andthat's you know kind of where.
What got me to here and now Ijust like to spend my time
helping people understand whygetting better sleep is so
(04:37):
important and helping them dothat.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
So I love that.
I love the classic manifestinggenerator, like, oh, this
doesn't exist in the world yet,let me just create it.
No big deal Like that'sdefinitely in human design.
Manifesting generators are kindof that bridge between bringing
things that don't exist yetinto reality, and I'm also a
(05:03):
manifesting generator.
So if I like see something thatis it doesn't exist, or if
there's something that's in myworld that I want that I don't
know how to get it, I oftentimesjust create it as well.
So that's the classic Manny Jenenergy.
Right there.
I'm curious.
In the beginning you said Ihave always been a bad sleeper.
(05:25):
What can you?
Can you expound upon that,expand upon that a little bit of
what do you mean by bad sleeper?
And and like, what had, um,what, what happens or what had
been happening?
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Yeah, I, I always tease my husband and say I'm
like the princess and the pea.
I have to be in my own bed.
I have to.
You know, I don't know, I justI never was good at falling
asleep.
I was never great at stayingasleep.
I think I struggled withinsomnia and, you know, learning
to meditate and yoga likereally helps with that, but yeah
(06:03):
, I just never was good.
Like you know, some people,like my husband, can fall asleep
anywhere in minutes, and thatis not me.
I can't sleep on an airplane orin a car, you know, like I'm
I'm not a great sleeper, buthaving a sleep mask, you know,
it helps me kind of create mylittle cocoon and my little like
(06:24):
perfect sleep environmentanywhere.
So that's also really reallyhelped me get better sleep.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Yeah, yeah, and it's something that you can carry
with you too.
Which I know you and I talkedabout before is we don't know
like I travel a lot too, so wedon't know if there's going to
be nice shades at the Airbnbthat you're staying at.
Hotels tend to have pretty goodcurtains, but still if they
have that like crack that youcan't cover with the curtain,
(06:54):
then you're just getting blindedwith sunlight, and I used to
spend a lot of time in New Yorkand I would sleep in kind of
like this um top floor room thatthey didn't have any curtains
on the windows, and so it wouldjust be, you know, city lights
at night and then sunlight inthe morning, and having a sleep
(07:16):
mask would really help me getthat like consistent sleep as
well.
I think it does.
It really does help with theconsistency of the quality of
your sleep.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
I totally agree.
And traveling really is a goodpoint, because even if your
hotel does have blackoutcurtains, there's often a smoke
detector or an air conditionerand like little green or blue
lights on them and you know wedon't think about the light
pollution.
You know like our our roommight feel dark, but even if
there's like a little bit of aglow from the street lamp
(07:48):
outside or there's a nightlightin your hall or something and
just that little crack of light.
Our eyelids really aren't madeto filter the light, so we
really do see it and it reallydoes affect the quality of our
sleep, and without getting tothose really specific levels you
know there's four levels ofsleep and without getting to the
(08:09):
REM or that deep sleep, thenyour hormones can't really
restart and regulate, your cellsdon't regenerate like.
You just can't get into thatsame restorative space.
And so, even if you're one ofthose people that can sleep
anywhere and doesn't have aproblem like, you're still going
to wake up, not that refreshed,you're still going to feel it
and you're just feeling sluggishor brain fog or you know
(08:33):
whatever it's also have apossibility of, you know,
gaining more weight because yourwhole metabolism isn't working
as well and your heart rate ishigher.
So, yeah, it really.
You know, unless you want to, Iknew somebody that used to
travel stickers and they wouldgo put stickers on all the
little lights and hotel room butlike, what a pain in the butt.
(08:55):
You know like.
Or you can just grab a sleepmask and take it with you.
Ours comes with like a littletravel pouch and you know it
doesn't weigh anything, you justthrow it in your bag and it's
just makes all the difference inthe world.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Super easy and I definitely do want to kind of
dive into the sleep mask.
But I'm curious if just kind ofhaving that conversation of
sleep for people that areresonating with oh, I feel like
I've always been a terriblesleeper.
I don't necessarily think thatI've been a terrible sleeper.
I am probably a little bit morelike your husband Like I can
sleep on planes and I can fallasleep relatively quickly.
(09:28):
But there's a lot of thingsthat I have done in my life,
especially in my daily eveningroutine, that support better
quality sleep.
So I'm curious what otherthings you have learned and that
you've developed along yoursleep journey that might be
beneficial to try.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Yeah, there's lots of things and and this and a
nighttime routine is definitelysomething that we don't think
about that much, but yeah, I do.
You know I learned to meditatewhen I was 19 and that that like
changed my life, especially interms of my sleep and my ability
to like turn my brain off andgo to sleep.
So, you know, having a goodnighttime routine is really
(10:11):
important and it could beanything like from having your
nighttime tea or taking a bathbefore bed, or, you know, some
people read.
I often read before bed, but youknow, I always will turn the
lights off and take you know,five minutes to just take some
deep breaths, get centered,quiet my mind.
Um, we also sell some other kindof nighttime routine products
(10:35):
that we have this really nicearomatherapy roll on it's
lavender oil and it's infusedwith amethyst crystals which are
good for, you know, spiritualwellbeing and just calming, and
the lavender obviously is reallygreat stress relief.
So that can help you just kindof start to unwind.
That you take some nice deepbreaths, put your mask on.
That can just help you driftoff to sleep a little faster.
(10:58):
We also have a sleep kit andit's like everything you need to
get your best night's sleep.
So it comes with like bathsalts and nighttime tea and lip
balm and earplugs and thearomatherapy and the mask all
together in like one little giftbox.
So it's like a really greatself-care gift and it helps you
kind of cultivate that nighttimeroutine of just letting,
(11:21):
helping signal your brain andyour body that it's time to wind
down and get ready to sleep,which can be hard.
You know we live in such ahustle culture.
The other thing that's reallyimportant is light and it not
just to be in darkness whenyou're sleeping, but like to
actually start to limit thequality of light in your
environment for the few hoursleading up to bed.
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So like we're surrounded byscreens you know we have blue
light and and led lights and ourTVs, our computers and our
phones all are putting off acertain frequency of light that
actually suppresses ourmelatonin production and kind of
stresses out the brain.
Like that's fine in the morningwhen you want the cortisol to
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start pumping and to wake you upand get you going for the day,
but you don't want that cortisolgoing when you're trying to go
to sleep.
That's a stress hormone and youwant that melatonin to start
pumping so it regulates all yourother horm hormonal processes
so you can really go to sleepand get that restorative rest.
So limiting your screen timebefore bed or, you know, turning
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off your LEDs and using likeincandescent bulbs or candles
before bed can really help youcalm down and prepare to get
much better sleep you calm downand prepare to get much better
sleep.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Yeah, I don't know where I read this or really what
it said, but when you'retalking about amethyst, I
actually have an amethystcrystal by my bed and I must've
read somewhere that it was goodto have amethyst by your bed
because that's why it's there.
But lavender is a really greatone.
I definitely use lavender.
You can also diffuse it.
I've diffused lavender foryears now.
(12:59):
But the red light, or thereducing light, is so important.
I talk all the time about redlight.
I actually just had a podcastepisode about red light therapy,
which is different than justred light.
But I've done in the past.
I've done, um, the smart bulbsyou can get in.
(13:20):
Like, if you have a bedroomlamp, exchange it with a smart
bulb, if you have an Alexa or asmart home, and I would always
just do red light at night andjust have that light change.
Um, you know, once the sun goesdown.
There's also glasses.
I mean you look a little sillywearing like red, red glasses,
but yes, those, I have them bymy bed.
(13:42):
So if I'm reading at night too,or or if I'm watching TV,
honestly it makes such adifference.
You don't know until you know.
But you can get those redglasses on Amazon for relatively
cheap.
I think mine are like moneybags or whatever.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Yeah, and they do.
They make a really bigdifference.
I didn't know about the smartbulbs, but that's really cool.
We have incandescent bulbswhich not recently had been
banned in America and they'vejust been re put back on the
market.
But they were banned for thelast like four years and now
they're legal again, which isgreat, because LEDs the theory
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about LEDs that they're use lessenergy, but they do put off
blue light and they flicker,which causes stress to your eyes
and your brain, so they'reactually really harmful and
they're bad for the environmenttoo.
They're bad for animals andstuff.
So it's really great thatincandescent bulbs are making a
comeback, because they actuallyput off the same frequency as
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light as like fire does, whichis calming and good.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
That's the whole.
I did a deep dive a couple ofyears ago when I started doing
red light at night and I heardthis on a podcast, but they kind
of went into the history behind.
The red light actually is kindof mimicking, like a candlelight
or a fire.
So when we were like back intribal times, when we didn't
have electricity, we didn't havelight at night.
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The only thing that we had wascandles or fires and that's how
we would light our homes orlight, you know, the tent or
whatever, and that's why ourbrains they assimilate that with
okay, it's time to sleep.
And that's where, like, themelatonin production comes in.
And there's so many simplethings that we can do that we
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don't even realize like this, oreven just limiting the light,
like you're saying, or the typeof light.
I didn't actually know thatabout incandescent versus LED.
I don't even know what mylights are at home or my lamp
lights, but there's so manythings that we can do to help,
like you're saying, like ourhormone production and the
stress hormones.
(15:52):
I think a lot of peopleobviously, like we live in such
a fast paced society that it'sreally hard for us to slow down
and a lot of us are just kind ofcoming to the end of the day
exhausted and we fall into bedand then we just pass out, but
then we're still having that,like I think I saw.
(16:13):
Do you have an aura ring?
I do, yeah.
So like it's so interesting totrack your sleep and track how
much movement and REM you'regetting and deep sleep and like
the latency of your sleep, howfast you fall asleep, and that
was really interesting to me,because aura will tell you you
can fall asleep too fast andthat means that you're too tired
(16:35):
, too exhausted, that you needto create a little bit more Well
, you need to invitation tocreate a little bit more balance
.
And that's really where thatnighttime routine could come in,
which could be five minutes,like I like that you said just
five minutes doing breathing atnight.
I think sometimes we think ofnighttime routines like they
have to be an hour.
(16:57):
They don't really.
It can be five minutes ofbreathing or five minutes like
rolling on some lavender,something like that.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Yeah, exactly Anything that just helps you
kind of get centered and calmdown and, you know, quiet your
mind.
That was one of the things likemy racing thoughts, so like that
.
That's's where, when I learnedto meditate, it made a big, big
difference for me of just, youknow, connecting to my breath
and kind of turning my brain off.
But that's such a good pointwhat you said.
(17:26):
Like I do think that people areburnt out and so you just kind
of fall into bed and you'resleeping from this exhaustion
place and, again, that may notbe the most restorative place to
be sleeping Like, have you everbeen so tired?
And you just like crash out andyou sleep like 10 hours and you
wake up exhausted, like, andit's just like well, that means
(17:47):
that you're too tired and you'renot really getting the quality
of sleep that you should begetting.
And I think it's such a goodpoint.
We live in such a crazy society,like it it really is.
There's such a focus to kind ofbeing hectic, the hectic
lifestyle and the go, go, go, go, go and do a million things and
, um, you know, especially forwomen, I think we're a bit kind
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of taught to be people pleasers,so we're kind of always putting
everyone above ourselves andand it can be really hard to
prioritize our rest and our selfcare because we feel bad about
feel guilty and, unfortunately,like you can't give from an
empty well, like you have totake time and give yourself
permission to prioritize yourrest, and sometimes that means
(18:33):
you know you have to take a napor something.
Your rest and sometimes thatmeans you know you have to take
a nap or something Time out ofyour day.
You have to just, you know,slow down because it is there's
a lot of pressure to just keepgoing.
And the other interesting thingis that men can function on a
lot less sleep than women can.
Yes, yeah, there's someinteresting stays.
One is that in the same amountof time, men tend to get more
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time in the REM and deep sleep,so that really restorative
levels sleep than women do.
Women tend to like go in andout of it and not stay there as
long.
And so, just if we were to likego to bed at the same time and
get up at the same time, we havesignificantly less quality of
sleep than men.
So that's interesting.
But the other interesting thingis that men can function a lot
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less sleep, so they can functionon six to eight hours of sleep
and be fine and not necessarilyfeel that sleep deprivation, but
because of our much morecomplex hormonal systems, we
just can't do that.
So most women need closer tolike nine hours of sleep a night
in order to get the samerestoration and because our
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hormones get so depleted if wetry to function on less sleep
than we need, like we reallyjust can't, like we just don't
function as well, you know.
That's, I think, where some ofthose negative taboos about
women, about.
You know.
That's I think where some ofthose negative taboos about
women, about, you know, hysteriaor whatever comes in is that
it's like we're sleep deprived,you know, and we take on the
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role we take on.
We're taking care of the babiesand cleaning the house and
trying to be career people anddoing 8 million things for 8
million people and you know wejust we can't do it, especially
if we're not taking the time tolike really get good sleep and
not at least the way men can.
So it's it's really interestingto dig into that stuff yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
I had not heard that you, that men can in the same
amount of sleep.
They spend more time in REM.
I had heard well, REM and deepsleep.
I had heard that women when Ifirst heard yeah, it was like
women need like eight to 10hours, I'm like, oh my gosh,
that is so much.
But honestly, if I've alsospent the past maybe year or two
(20:49):
on well longer than that, Idon't like alarm clocks and I
know that that's obviously notan option for some people.
If you have to be at work by9am, you I mean actually that's
a whole conversation because onecould argue, if you're taking
more time for your nighttimeroutine and you're getting
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better quality sleep, that youwould possibly be able to wake
up at, you know, 6am every dayif you're getting the same
amount of sleep and you're notwaking up in exhaustion.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
I think you hit the nail on the head about the
consistency.
If you go to the same time, youactually will train your body
to be on a schedule.
I don't use an alarm clock andI do get up at 730 every day.
Yeah, it's just, my body isjust as trained to wake up at
that time.
But consistency is importantwith the quality of your sleep
as well.
So I'm about that a lot likegoing to bed at the same time
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and staying on the same scheduleis really good for you.
I didn't mean to cut you off,though.
No, that's okay.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
No good, good point, but yeah, so I was just saying I
, I, I've been practicing, butfor more than a couple of years.
I mean, this has been basicallysince I left corporate America,
where I had to wake up at like6am every day.
Uh, I, I don't wake up to analarm, and it's very helpful to
allow, like, but you're right, Ido wake up.
(22:13):
I wake up between like six, 30and seven every day, Naturally,
um, there was something that Iwas going to say about that,
though, but it's, it's just.
Oh, that's what I was going tosay.
Obviously, a big part of mybusiness is cycle alignment and,
like, cycle syncing.
So another very interestingthing is we actually need a
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little bit more sleep in ourluteal phase, because our body,
if you think about it, ourbodies, are preparing to shed,
which is like going through thedeath process, or I mean, you
could get like very likespiritually into this, but like,
physically, we're we'reshedding, we're like shedding
the egg from our liner, um, andso your body is preparing for
that, so it needs a little bitmore sleep.
(22:55):
So it's also interesting for me, and you can track this just by
yourself, or, if you have anaura ring, start noticing.
When you're in the luteal phase, I always sleep like I'll
always sleep closer to seven,versus when I'm in my follicular
or ovulation phase.
I like wake up like 615, 630,and I'm ready to go.
(23:15):
It's not dramatic, but it isinteresting to notice the
differences.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
That is really interesting.
I did not know that.
Thank you for sharing that.
That makes a lot of sense,though, because I know I mean
I'm pregnant now, but before,when I would be in my ludo phase
, I would just feel more tired,like I just needed more rest.
I didn't have the same energylevels whenever, so that makes
feel more tired, like I justneeded more rest.
I didn't have the same energylevels, whatever.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
That makes a lot of sense.
That's so interesting, Superinteresting.
Yeah, yeah, I love not.
I feel like we're just talking.
I'm talking a lot about OuraRing, but but when we talk about
sleep, I feel like I am a verydata-driven person.
I have a one line in humandesign which is the investigator
, and they tend to be like very,very data driven.
They want to know their, yourresources and where you got that
information.
So using something that has thebiometric data is very helpful
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for me.
To see what my score is, to seehow much movement I have.
Alcohol, I mean, oh my gosh, weall know that we sleep worse
with alcohol.
There's there's no way that youcan convince me that you think
that you sleep better.
You don't, Um.
But to see the reflection onyour aura ring.
I mean I go from like a 92sleep score to like a 70 or a 60
(24:27):
sleep score and you're outside.
I mean you don't really feellike you feel more tired and you
feel hung over right, it's kindof the wording that we use, but
if you're looking at the databehind it, your heart rate is
elevated, your temperature oftenis elevated.
You have more movement.
You have way more disturbedsleep.
(24:47):
Same with eating before bed,Like have you ever explored that
eating, stopping eating?
Speaker 2 (24:54):
like three hours before bed.
I have that eating.
Stopping eating, like threehours before bed I have, um, I'm
one of those freak people,though, that I think I have like
blood sugar crashes.
So I'll like wake up in themiddle of the night starving,
and then I want to go back tosleep and that's really annoying
to have to get up and eat.
I mean, I do now that I'mpregnant.
I can't make it through thenight.
I have to get up and eat, butbefore I would eat something
(25:15):
before bed so that I couldthrough the night.
But it is true, like I wouldn'teat anything heavy, I would
usually do like a, you know,like a hot chocolate with
protein in it or something thatwould be like calming and
relaxing but would have proteinthat would keep me satiated
through the night.
But yeah, it's true, like theysay, you should not eat anything
at least two hours before bedbecause it does disturb it.
(25:37):
And you know, also, we werelike coffee addicts.
Yeah, that's another point Morethan like your one or two cups
of coffee and drinking coffeelater in the day, because coffee
actually has a half-life oflike 12 hours.
Yeah, if you drink coffee atnoon it's not really going to
(25:58):
wear out Like the effects ofthat caffeine aren't really
going to wear off until likemidnight.
So if you're trying to go tobed at like nine or 10 o'clock
at night, that's going toprevent you from getting good
sleep and falling asleep early.
So, yeah, those are all thingsto consider when you're trying
to get better sleep.
But you're so right about thealcohol I don't drink.
But partly why I don't drink isthat when I was younger and
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would drink, I just I couldn'tsleep at all.
I just, you know, I'd pass outfor like an hour or two and then
I would just toss and turn therest of the night and then I'd
wake up feeling like absolutegarbage and I was like there's,
this isn't worth it, don't drink.
But yeah, it really does affectthe quality of your sleep in a
big way.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Yeah, I've significantly reduced, uh, how
much I drink and how often Idrink, but I'll still have like
a glass of wine, even just oneone glass of wine still affects
negatively affects my sleepscore, which is just affects
negatively affects my sleepscore, which is just, I mean,
it's.
it's so interesting just tobegin to pay attention.
(27:01):
I think one of the reasons Ireally wanted to have this
conversation is that there's notreally anything profoundly new
that we're saying right Like.
This is all science, this hasbeen researched for years.
There's a lot of talk aboutlet's get better sleep, but I
think why I wanted to have thisconversation is because I wanted
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to send the invitation to openthe door, to begin to think
about your sleep, to begin tothink about the quality of your
sleep, how you're approachingyour evening, your evening
routine again, whether that'sfive minutes or an hour, or even
if it's just trying a sleepmask and seeing how that
(27:43):
improves your sleep.
You don't have to do everysingle thing that we're
suggesting or giving ideas about, but oftentimes we do overlook
sleep.
We do overlook like oh well, Igot, I gave myself seven hours
to sleep tonight, but I stillfeel exhausted or I still slept
(28:03):
like shit.
Okay, what did you do beforebed?
What did you do during bed?
There's there's a lot of thingsthat we can add to our routine
and our daily practices that arenot time consuming, they're not
really that expensive andthey're not that difficult to
incorporate, but it's going tomake such a big difference.
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I mean everything that you said, like in our hormone levels and
the way that we look in holdingonto weight, if our body is
always in that stress state.
That's why our bodies hold ontoweight.
It's not that you're eating toomuch fast food.
Maybe it is that you're eatingtoo much fast food, but if
you're eating healthy, if you'redoing all the other things, you
have to look at your stresslevels, and sleep plays a huge
(28:47):
role in that.
So there's so many differentways that we can approach this,
but that's why I really wantedto have this conversation with
sleep.
So I want to briefly touch uponthis face mask, this sleep mask
, and then we'll kind of closehow we normally close.
So you obviously introed thisin the beginning, but can you go
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over what the differences arein your sleep mask, um, and then
we'll kind of go from there.
I love that it has deeper holes, because I too have long
eyelashes.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Yeah, yeah, so, um, yeah again.
So it's, it's a unique design.
It looks kind of like youraverage you know contoured silk
mask, but when you actually holdit in your hands or hold them
next to each other, you canreally see the difference.
It's it's a little bit larger,so you really get full coverage,
and it has, like I said, extrathick padding.
So the eye cups are, on average, like a centimeter to a
centimeter and a half deeperthan your average eye cup.
(29:53):
Um, we use really soft lowresistance foam so it does
compress the eye cup a bit, butit that just makes it extra
cushiony.
It's like sleeping on a cloud.
It just conforms your face.
It's so comfortable and the eyecups are larger round as well
because of the bigger coverage.
So there's more for eyes and theeye cup is deeper.
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And I did that because I dohave long lashes and even though
I tried you know the kind ofaverage cookie cutter design
that's out there it just I stillfelt like it wasn't very
comfortable, it didn't reallystay in place and then my lashes
still were getting smashed,even with the eye cups.
So I was like, how do we makethis as deep as possible?
I would have made them evendeeper, but you know, has to fit
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, because it's silk.
It has to fit through thesewing machine.
So it was like we can do it.
But that's also.
We don't use any chemicaladhesives, we don't use any
synthetic fabrics, so it'sreally good for your skin.
And and silk is, um, it looksamazing, it's.
So we use really really highquality silk.
It's unbelievably soft andsmooth, so there's less friction
(30:58):
, so that creates less pull onyour skin.
But it also absorbs lessmoisture than like cotton or
synthetic matte uh fabrics do,so like, if you put.
You know, I'm in my 40s, I useexpensive face creams and I
don't want it to like suck offinto my sleep mask.
I want to like absorb into myskin and so like absorb it as
(31:19):
much.
So that's really good.
So it helps your skin and yourhair maintain its moisture.
And they have even done studiesthat show if you have, like, a
wound and you bind it in silkinstead of cotton, it will heal
faster.
So what that shows thatactually speeds up the cell
turnover of your skin.
So it's literally anti-aging.
Wow, yeah, so it's really goodfor your skin and, like, like I
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said, it's adjustable.
So it's the only mask.
Like I said, I tried a lot ofmasks and it's the only mask
I've ever had that stayed inplace, was really comfortable,
blocked all light and didn'tsmash my lashes.
It didn't cause me to break out.
So it's naturally antimicrobial.
So it's all the good things.
(32:02):
Obviously, it's a little bitmore expensive because because
we use a lot of really highquality silk, which is expensive
.
But you know, again, if you'relooking at like oh, I could
outfit my house with blackoutcurtains, whatever, like no,
invest in a really good sleepmask.
And yeah, it's.
I think it's the single mosthelpful tool to increase your
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sleep quality.
And then, of course, we'vetalked about some of the other
tools are very inexpensive andsome of the other things that
don't cost anything.
Just take a little disciplinethat can really increase your
sleep quality.
But if you're going to investin one thing, I would say invest
in sleep masks, because thereturn on investment is so high.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Yeah, I would agree it took me a while to find a
mask, but I enjoy.
I do have light that comes in,like under my eyes.
So it's not exactly like yours,obviously, but it took me a
while to find one that I likedand it has improved my sleep for
sure, and it continues toimprove my sleep.
(33:04):
We were at dinner the othernight and who knows why, we were
talking about sleep masks.
I don't know, but the couplethat we were having dinner with,
he didn't.
He was.
We were talking about sleepmouse and I think he has one or
something or I don't know whathe was saying, but he didn't
even know that they had sleepmasks that have the holes for
your eyes because he wascommenting on but he didn't even
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know that they had sleep masksthat have the holes for your
eyes because he was commentingon how his like, he's like I
can't blink and like the sleepmasks that are flat are like, so
out, don't try those, becausethey also are flat and they
don't like help your nose.
I have a larger nose or maybe alarge, the higher bridge.
Yeah, I don't know.
But yeah, I've tried the flatones and they don't do anything
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because you have that like allof the light coming in under.
But I was like no, they makeones that have eye holes, you
know.
So maybe people don't even knowthat.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
I don't know.
I mean we do have a lot of menthat buy our masks.
We have some really nice, moremasculine colors and we have,
you know, more girly colors too,but um, and we do, ours has
like a slightly higher nose cutout for that reason.
I mean, everybody's face isdifferent, everyone's nose is
different and so, you know, somepeople aren't going to get
total blackout.
(34:19):
It's, you know, some peopleit's going to be more
comfortable for than others, youknow.
But I think overall, it's, it'sbetter than what is out there
at least in my experience so.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Absolutely.
Yeah Well, and the adjustablestrap, I think is very helpful
too, because then then you'reable to tighten it a little bit,
which would also maybe helpwith with kind of solidifying it
to your face.
But anyway, super funconversation, thank you.
Thank you for coming on.
I have two more, two morepieces.
I would like to chat a littlebit of your human design.
(34:53):
We've already kind of talkedabout this, but in in regards to
sleep, I'll kind of align thisto sleep, and we've already
talked a little bit aboutmanifesting generators.
But one other point that Iwanted to bring up about human
design and yours specifically,your what's called a manifesting
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generator, energy type, whichwe have five different energy
types.
We could be a manifestinggenerator, a manifester, a
generator, a reflector or aprojector, and manifesting
generators and generators arewhat makes them that specific
energy type is.
You have what's called adefined sacral center, and our
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sacral center is our life force,energy.
It's like our powerhouse center, it's where we get a lot of our
physical energy from.
If you think also in terms oflike the chakra system, you can
think in terms of like thesacral chakra and because of
that fact, mgs and generators,one of the things that we kind
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of invite in these energy typesis make sure that you're
physically expanding, expelling,expelling your energy
throughout the day, where you'reactually physically exerting
yourself to help bring like kindof drain that battery.
If you think of of energy typesin terms of batteries,
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generators, manifestinggenerators have like one large
battery and that their job is todrain that battery throughout
the day.
So when you come to the end ofthe day with an empty battery,
that does not mean that yourbattery is like completely
depleted and over emptied, likewe talked about, kind of falling
into bed like just fuckingexhausted.
(36:42):
Um, but to drain the battery tolike 20%, 10%, right,
projectors, manifestors andreflectors, they have little
batteries that their job is tokind of drain throughout the day
and then once they drain thatbattery, they need to take a
break, they need to get out ofpeople's energy to recharge that
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battery and then eventuallycome back to whatever they're
doing.
So projectors, reflectors,manifestors, they tend to do a
little bit better.
They tend to thrive more,optimize their energy when
they're taking those breaksthroughout the day.
So for you being a manifestinggenerator, and any MGs or
generators out there that arelistening, one of the tips that
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I would add to this conversationis making sure that you're
physically using your bodythroughout the day, whether
that's going for a walk, whetherthat's working out for you,
maybe dancing, right, make surethat you're using your energy
throughout the day, even if it's10, 15 minutes.
I follow an MG on on Instagramand she talks a lot about that.
(37:49):
She's like, even if I just workout for 15, 20 minutes, she has
some you know workout videothat she enjoys doing.
She always says she sleeps somuch better and I know that that
makes a really big difference.
For me is to make sure that I'musing my body.
So then you're coming to theend of the day and again that
battery is is drained, you know,10, 20% like physically,
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emotionally, spiritually, um,you're just making sure that
that that battery is is drained.
So then overnight, when you'relaying down which is how we kind
of recharge our sacral center,that battery is going to be um,
built back up.
But that might also affect yoursleep too.
If you're someone that's verysedentary I mean, this is
general, right, you don't haveto be a manifesting generator or
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generator but it would affectthose energy types more.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
That's so interesting .
Thank you for sharing that,because you know I run a
business so I do often feel likesuper exhausted at the end of
the day, like mentally,emotionally.
But if I don't actually do evenjust a few minutes of some
physical activity, I reallycan't sleep, and if I do that
like for three days in a row,like it will really affect my
sleep.
So I have to like work outreally regularly.
(39:02):
Even if it is, like you said,just going for a walk or just
doing 15 minutes of highintensity exercise or something,
it will make such a bigdifference in my sleep quality
and I didn't know that, but thatI'm like that's connecting the
dots for me.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
Yeah, yeah, I think I don't know.
I don't know about you, but Itend to be like a zero to 100
person or an all or nothingperson.
So with working out I'd be like, well, if I can't go to the gym
for an hour, then I'm not doinganything.
And that's not the case.
We can.
We can introduce this newperspective of oh what if I just
(39:37):
saw how I felt if I moved mybody for 15 minutes, even if
it's just like dancing aroundyour kitchen when you're cooking
, my body for 50 minutes, evenif it's just like dancing around
your kitchen when you'recooking.
We don't have to do thisstructured drive all the way to
the gym, lift weights for anhour and then go home.
It can be creative and see whatbrings you more energy.
I mean, being outside for mealways brings me more energy.
(40:00):
So if I can exercise outside, Iwill.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
But yeah, like squats while you're watching TV or
something.
So yeah, absolutely, I've heardthat do squats every commercial
break.
Yeah, they're especially goodif you're pregnant.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
Oh loud, I bet, I bet .
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Do squats.
Just you can't do enough squats.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
Yeah, oh my gosh.
Well, there you go, do somesquats while you're watching TV
or waiting for your dinner tocook, or something like that,
absolutely.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
I love that.
Well, thank you so much forsharing.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
Oh, you're welcome.
Yeah, super fun.
So I like to end with thisquestion, and it can be sleep
related or not, it doesn't haveto be.
But if you were standing on astage and you had one message to
share 30 seconds a minute withthe world, what would you share?
Speaker 2 (40:56):
I'm like I immediately just got anxious.
I hate being on stage unlessI'm dancing.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
You're just, you're not standing on stage, but um.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
No, I think it's just to have more grace and to have
more permission.
Like you know, we talked about,you can't give from an empty
well, and we're just soconditioned not to give to
ourselves.
So it's really just to bekinder to yourself, to take time
for yourself, to have grace.
You know everybody has gooddays and has bad days, and you
(41:27):
know sometimes it's just notyour day and so instead of being
hard on yourself, just beinglike, okay, well, today's not my
day, I'm gonna come backtomorrow and just try to show up
as my best self.
So I just, yeah, I thinkthere's just so much pressure on
all of us in today's world andI just want people to be kinder
to themselves and also becausepermission for yourself is
(41:50):
permission for others, and sothe kinder you are for to
yourself, then that reflects inyour interactions out in the
world, and then you're justspending kindness and you're
influencing that, that kindnessto spread.
So I just it makes the world abetter place.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
I love that.
Thank you, I love that message.
So, where can people find you?
I forgot to do that.
Where can people find you?
Where do you hang out?
And also, if they're curious toexplore the sleep mask, where
can they find that?
Speaker 2 (42:23):
Yeah, I don't really do social media personally, but
we do have social media for thebrand.
So it's Sia Silk which is S-I-ASilk, and that's pretty much
TikTok Instagram meta all thethings interests.
Yeah, all the things.
So you can find us there and ifyou want to shop our products,
(42:45):
we also have lots of great blogsand resources on our website,
so just go to see a silkcom.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
Yay, and I'll put all those links down below so
there'll be clickable and wayeasier to to find.
But for people that just listenand they don't like to read the
description, it's nice to sayyeah, this was such a fun
conversation evilly.
Thank you for coming on oh mygosh.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
Thank you so much for having me.
This was really fun and apleasure, so thank you.
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