February 2, 2025 • 62 mins
Embodying the Divine Feminine: A Journey with Kat Tovar
In this episode, I sit down with the inspiring Kat Tovar (human design sacral authority generator), a women's group facilitator specializing in somatic healing, energy work, and intuitive practices. We delve deep into women's work, shadow work & human design. Kat shares her personal journey from her time in the Peace Corps in Costa Rica to becoming a holistic health coach and trauma-informed facilitator. We discuss the importance of nurturing your sacral center, building a relationship with your intuition, and the power of women's circles. Kat also provides practical tips and exercises for tapping into your intuition and trusting your body. Join us as we explore the profound and often magical nature of the feminine experience. Don't miss out on this enlightening conversation!
00:00 - Introduction
02:30 - Kat Tovar's Background
09:50 - The Importance of Women's Circles
14:15 - Somatic Work and Intuition
22:30 - NLP and Subconscious Programming
30:45 - The Role of the Sacral Center
45:20 - Practical Tips for Trusting Your Intuition
54:00 - Mirror Chakras and Voice Activation
01:00:30 - Final Thoughts and Inspiration
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome to the podcast Journey to Well.
I am with Kat Tovar today.
She honestly I'm super excitedto have this conversation
because I don't know about youand I want to hear this
perspective.
But I don't come across a lotof people that do women's work
and hold women's circles and allof these things, especially in
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the North, which I know.
You're in the West, so maybeyou have a little bit more if
you're in your community.
But I'm super excited to chatwomen's work, shadow work,
always.
We're going to talk humandesign.
Before I let you introduceyourself, kat, I like to try to
remember to introduce my humandesign, your human design
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profile.
So Kat is a 6'3 sacralgenerator, so we'll talk a
little bit about that.
But before we get into thewomen's work, the shadow work,
your story, I would love for youjust to introduce yourself.
Who is Kat?
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Incredible.
Well, I'm so excited to be herewith you, hannah, and you hit
the nail on the head regardingthe women's work and it being
actually present in the Westmore than it is maybe in the
North or the East.
I'm originally from the EastCoast and moved to Colorado
about five years ago in pursuitof my heart and soul and spirit
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guiding me this way, but I am awomen's group facilitator.
I do a lot of somatic work,body-based healing.
I reprogram and repatternwomen's bodies at a cellular
level through energy work,channeling and a lot of really
intuitive holding space in thesetypes of gatherings, and my
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gatherings are very diverse.
A woman was just texting metoday.
She's going to be at my nextin-person gathering here in
Boulder, colorado, and she waslike I have no idea what to
expect.
And I was like me neither, andI think that's the most
beautiful part of this work thatI do is it's so emergent in
nature and how I facilitatethese circles.
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I've been doing it since 2018.
I've been in women's work sinceeven before that almost a decade
now but facilitating thesegatherings since 2018.
These gatherings since 2018.
And what I've realized is thatthe more attuned and the more of
a clear channel I can be, andless about needing a structure,
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because women, we are so fluidand we are so intuitive.
That's when the magic occurs,and so that's really how I
facilitate my spaces.
Now Maybe I do tune in day ofor day before and really listen
to my guides, my spirit team,and tap into the collective
energy to become informed aboutwhat's going to be the most
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supportive for the women thatcome into the spaces.
But it's such a beautifulemergent space that I hold and
it's been a progression.
Like you mentioned before, westarted recording too.
You're like I used to havequestions and I used to have
structure and now I just flow,and I think that comes on
cultivating that sense ofconfidence and trust with
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yourself over time.
And that's been a practice aswell when it comes to women's
work, because at the beginning Iwas like, oh, I don't know,
like looking for all the answersoutside of me, and the truth is
we do know, and so it's been areally cool evolution to realize
like, hey, you know my sacral,she knows right, and to tune
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into more of like the womb spaceand the intuition to guide.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Yeah, I love that you brought up the sacral.
Of course you're a sacralauthority, but just that sacral
center and really bringing upthat conversation of trust,
because we don't.
We don't trust our bodies, wedon't trust our intuition for so
many reasons, whether that'sjust like societally, or we lost
trust with our bodies at somepoint in time.
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So I want to start at thebeginning.
I want one of the biggest goalsof my podcast and my channel is
really to bring these possiblycomplex or deep topics and
really bring them down to likebasic level and make them very
easily digestible.
That's one of my biggest goalswith human design specifically.
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But for people that arelistening that maybe have heard
the term women's work or women'scircles or, hopefully, if you
follow me on Instagram, you knowthat I will hold women's
circles and new moon circles butwhat?
What is that definition to you?
What is women's work to you?
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Oh my gosh, it's so funny Cause I was just recording
a training.
I have, uh, an academy where Icertify and provide tools and
resources and really supportwomen that are desiring to hold
these sort of these gatheringswith the tools that they need.
And in the last training Irecorded was like what is
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women's work?
There can be such a variety andI think that's a beautiful part
of the feminine is it is soundefined and it is so
spirit-based and it is such afelt experience, and so I think
that's like part of the beautyof women's work is it is this
experience to be had and feltversus defined um, and when we
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want to like really ground thatum definition and understand a
little bit better like what thata space like that could be.
Like women's work could beanywhere from bringing sadhana,
which is the, the sanskrit termfor like a spiritual talk,
typically there's a teacher or amentor or a guide bringing a
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theme or a topic to the groupand there gets to be this
collaborative, co-creativeconversation that happens and
education around what thatspecific topic is.
That's one type.
I actually started, similarlyto you, doing this work around
the full moon is really what Iwas guided towards, and then I
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realized this was when I waslike in my earlier mid-20s, and
then I was like, wait a minute,there's all these other moon
cycles and there's like the newmoon and what about you know,
like the waiting and the waxing,and so realizing like there's
so many energies that you canwork with.
And I started with that anchorof the lunar cycle and the moon
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and I integrated a little bit ofastrology.
I'm no astrology buff by anymeans, but that was a really
beautiful way to like inviteother women in the space online
if they had anything tocontribute as well, because I do
believe like this is aco-creative space, we're
learning from one another.
Like this is a co-creativespace, we're learning from one
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another.
There's often like that poleand that guide and that leader
who is you or I, and everyonehas their own gifts that they're
bringing into this space.
And so women's work is often,you know, there's no real
hierarchy, there's nopedestalling, it's everyone has
their own gifts to offer.
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Now, the work that I do is moretherapeutic in nature.
It's quite somatic, which Imentioned.
I practice timeline therapy.
I'm certified in subconsciousreprogramming through the lens
of NLP, neurolinguisticprogramming, programming, and
the somatic body-based energywork that I do, very intuitive
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and typically there will be.
My last group was called theCoven.
There's a coven and gathering agroup of women that come
together.
This work sometimes can get alittle bit witchy, which is
actually going back to trustingyour body and intuition.
Women have been robbed of thatand women have been judged or
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burned and criticized for thesetypes of gatherings.
So I feel like there is thisresurrection and this
reclamation of the witch, thewise, intuitive, healer, channel
, teacher, right, there's.
That goes in a certain orderthat I just, you know, botched,
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but you know, using that framefor women as witches, calling
ourselves back to the earth,back to our bodies, back to our
intuition.
And, yeah, the gatherings thatI do, like I mentioned, I never
know what's going to happen andthen I just tune in, I resource
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myself and tune into what mychannel and my guides are
telling me, and that's been apractice cultivated over time.
So so many different types ofgatherings, some more relational
in nature, some moretherapeutic in nature, and I
find mine they fall on theentire spectrum, depending on
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really what is being felt andneeded collectively as well.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Yeah, I love that.
That's been a huge piece of myjourney is just learning to
trust and not do as muchpreparation and it's really.
It's really this whole ritualof like getting ready in the
morning and just beginning totune in before you even get to
the space and then creating thelunar cycle as well.
I always share this in my mooncircles.
(09:40):
I said I'm kind of a little bitrebellious, like very low key,
I'm not really a rebelliousperson, but when I started my
women's circle I felt everyonedid stuff on the full moon
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Because I mean, obviously thefull moon really lends itself
the full moon energy, lendsitself to celebration, to
gratitude, to like gettingtogether and communing together.
And obviously, if you dosomething outside, I mean it's
so gorgeous to have the new moonunder being under the new moon,
the full moon.
I keep saying new moon becauseI'm like I always say it's
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beautiful to be under the fullmoon, but for me I was like I
want to do the opposite to beunder the full moon, but for me
I was like I want to do theopposite.
Actually, I don't want to hostsomething on the full moon, I
want to host something on thenew moon because I've never seen
anything on the new moon.
And then fast forward.
One day I came across one ofthose like Facebook ads or
whatever of you can get yourlike.
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You can get like the phase ofthe moon that you were, that you
that you met your partner under, or that you were born under,
or your mom was born under, orwhatever.
And so I looked up the phase ofthe moon that I was born under
and it was a new moon.
Maybe this is why, because Iwas born under a new moon, and
that's why I'm drawn to the newmoon energy.
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But it's honestly, I love theintuition, I love the leaning
into trusting your body and thesomatic work.
So I'd love to talk a littlebit of somatic work.
I'd love to talk, like NLP, alittle bit of your journey.
What led you to this?
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Yeah, such a good question.
And okay, I just want to say,before I go on to often this
tangent, the moon, the new moon,is also such a beautiful time,
that darkness and like howbright you can see the stars and
the galaxies, and so I thinkjust wanted to say that that's a
really beautiful time to be outunder the moon and in nature as
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well, because it's justdifferent, right.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
It's different.
It's a nice time to get quietand we don't really spend a lot
of time getting quiet withothers.
We oftentimes were thinkinglike, if I'm going to be quiet,
or you think of like yourmenstrual phase and you're like
I don't want to see anyone,don't want to do anything, but
it's this cool juxtaposition ofand obviously in the circle,
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like we spend a lot of timegoing inward and journaling and
spending time with ourselves,but we're with other women,
which is different.
It's a different perspective tohold, I love it.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
I love it, yeah.
So, okay, your question about,yeah, nlp and somatics and
really how I got here so I wasin the Peace Corps this was back
in 2016 was when I went andserved in the Peace Corps and I
got to my site, got my siteassignment moved down to this
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rural town on a dirt road inSouthwest Costa Rica 200-person
town.
The closest grocery store wastwo hours away.
The closest internet cafe wastwo hours away.
You had to get up at 4 am tocatch a buseta on a bumpy road,
drive through rivers thatsometimes were flooded, and it
was just a wild time to be alivein my body and I was living
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with this pastor and his wifeand I just had so many judgments
towards myself.
There was a previous volunteerthat lived in the town, a man,
and he was revered by everyone.
Mark this Markos.
Mark this mark that he did allthe things.
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He's so amazing and thereseemed to be this pedestalizing
that was happening, and even forme, I was like putting this man
on a pedestal and making myselffeel less than, and all of a
sudden, I had stressors andanxieties that I'd never felt
before, because I'm a very chillperson and so when I do feel
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stressed or anxious, like mywhole system gets disrupted, and
that's what happenedunconsciously was I was making
myself ill.
A lot of those emotions arestored and worked through our
digestive tract, and there'sthis very visceral.
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Now science is starting to findthe data of the gut-brain
connection and my gut started torebel.
I have a couple of autoimmunedisorders.
I was diagnosed with celiacsabout six months into my service
, and that led me into holistichealth.
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I started listening to podcastslike a mad woman.
I found this book on healingyour celiacs, how to deal with
it, and I came upon becoming aholistic health coach.
I heard that in one of thepodcasts that I was listening to
and I was like this is itbecause I am rebellious in
nature?
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I'm a wild woman, I justembrace it.
I'm like you're here becauseyou break the rules, you live
outside of the boxes, youquestion everything that society
has programmed into us.
That's really the women that Iwork with and call forward, and
so I never wanted to becorporate.
I was raised by entrepreneursand I did have this rebellious
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nature in me, and so when Iheard about this holistic health
path, I was like this is it?
This is the key to my queendom.
I get to pursue that and so Ibecame a holistic health coach
and I became a certified yogateacher.
I got my 200 hour in Costa Rica, became a trauma-informed
facilitator and started down therabbit hole.
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And I noticed with my healthcoaching clients they weren't
getting the results that theywanted, nor I desired to see for
them as their guide, because weweren't working with the root
cause.
And oftentimes, in what I'veseen within myself and my
experience and journey into myspirit and purpose is that we
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are brought to this work throughthe body.
The body is a very tangiblevisceral.
You can feel it, you can touchit, you can measure it, object,
and it's often our gateway tothe intangible, the ethereal,
the immeasurable, theinnumerable, your spirit realm.
And so that's what reallybrought me into the more subtle
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reprogramming and working withthe body in this really
beautiful, like subtle,energetic way.
And so the woman that I wasworking with at the time she was
starting an academy for NLPcertifying coaches to become
certified success and lifecoaches and use NLP as a
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framework.
So I went through that becauseI felt like that was another key
working with the subconscious.
Over 95% of your thoughts,values, beliefs and identity are
underneath your consciousawareness, are subconscious, and
so if you want to become ahealthy person, well, how are
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you showing up and what do youbelieve and what are you telling
yourself is true day in and dayout.
That creates your reality.
And so that was like really mydoorway into more of this
subconscious kind of the unseenrealms.
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Because for me, thesubconscious it's feminine,
right, it's emotional, it'semotionally driven, it is in
that sacral area, driven byintuition, and for me it's like
it's the shadow realm.
And so I started to realize,through the deeper curiosity and
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embodiment of my work, like,okay, this is all actually, like
it's all feminine, it's allfeminine.
And then, doing the trauma workand the trauma healing and the
energy healing and therepatterning of bodies at a
cellular level, energeticrepatterning, that that sort of
like lens of somatic healingstarted to come very intuitively
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for myself.
And so, yeah, it's just beenlike this beautiful unfolding.
I have no idea where I'm going.
Like I mentioned the womanthat's coming to my circle next
week.
She's like what are we doing?
I was like I don't know, Icouldn't tell you.
Yeah, I couldn't tell you, I'lltell you when you're there, but
even then, like we might shiftand yeah, it's just been this
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really exciting becoming.
Yeah, it's just been thisreally exciting becoming.
And my mentor talks about notneeding to know the final
destination, just needing toknow the next step, and that
feels like that's been.
My process is like I'm justtaking the next step and it
doesn't even need to be theright step, like I could take a
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left step, I could take a backstep, I could go up, I could do
it Like it's like there's somuch flexibility there, but just
taking the next step so thatthe next thing reveals itself
along the way.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Yeah, there's been a lot of my journey in releasing
that right or wrong, what's theright choice?
Because we get so stuck there,we get so in our heads over that
, and what if I make the wrongdecision?
That's come up, releasing that,that there's no right or wrong,
there's always just a choice.
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It's just a choice.
I'm curious.
You said something superintriguing and I want you to
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dive more into it.
Lives, or part of oursubconscious lives in our sacral
center, and having thatsubconscious or unconscious
programming being actually avery visceral and somatic
experience, rather than all inour mind.
What did you mean by that?
What is your perspective onthat?
Speaker 2 (20:25):
yeah, so the subconscious is often governed
by emotion, sensation, and forchakra that is associated with
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water is the womb, it's thesacral chakra.
And so when you kind of likeblend all of these different
themes and topics and plus, likethe subconscious, is the
underworld, it, it's the void,it's the doorway to infinite
possibility and potential, whichalso feels so related to the
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womb, space, the sacral.
And so, again, your emotions.
Those emotions are very watery,cyclical in nature.
It's like the tides are alwayschanging, they always come back.
It's like the tides are alwayschanging, uh, they always come
back.
You can just rely on the factthat your emotions, energy and
motion, it's always moving andshifting, and so that is the
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thing that you can at leastsoften and rely on.
Kind of going back to there'sno right or wrong.
It's like the only constant ischange and that's a universal
law.
And so, with the subconsciousand that feminine nature, that
watery nature, that space intoinfinite possibility and
potential, when you think aboutthe ocean, right, and an iceberg
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kind of jutting down intowhoever, nobody knows how far
those icebergs go down, nobodyknows what's underneath the
surface of the ocean, right,like it's infinitely expanding.
Like we could, we can't findthe end of it, because we can't
measure it, like that's what thesubconscious feels, like I
guess you could try to measureit right, but like we don't have
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the technology or the resourcesor the tools to go that far
into what seems to be in yeah,absolutely yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
It's super interesting.
Yeah, I love all of that.
I've always kind of thought ofour subconscious just in that
like heady space and not so muchin a somatic way.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Yeah, and when you think about like the heady, it's
like, okay.
Well, what governs your beliefsystem?
Typically it's your emotions.
What governs your nervoussystem is whether you feel
flighty or safe and that, likesafety right, that
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parasympathetic nervous systemresponse is also governed again
by your emotions.
It is reigned too by yourexperiences.
So, through the lens of nlp, wehave the communication model and
through the communication model, you have your five senses your
sight, your sound, you'rehearing, your taste and your
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touch, your kinesthetic sensescoming through and you're kind
of like bringing them throughthis filing system in your mind.
Because at any point, at anymoment, we're actually taking in
2.9 million bits of informationper second.
That's a lot of information.
It's way too much to to try toto understand or consciously
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organize.
Right, like, in the backgroundthere's avocado oil, on the like
there's a stocking, but none ofthat's actually really relevant
to me right now.
So, even though there's all ofthis information that I'm taking
in, we only consciouslyregister anywhere from seven to
nine bits of that informationper second and then the rest
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gets deleted, distorted andgeneralized, depending on your
mood, your time, like the timingof the day, your environment,
and then those, like thatorganization of information
influences and informs yourstate.
That is influenced by yourphysiology, or, like your body
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and the internal representation.
What I mean by that is, likeyour previous experience
associated with the water that'ssitting in front of you, right,
like, oh, did I drink likewater with a worm in it?
Then maybe I might be likeafraid to drink that water and
first it's like, okay, water islike a nurturing, healthy thing,
so I'm gonna drink it.
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Right, so your state isinfluenced by these, like past
experiences and your body'swell-being, your physiology,
which affects your, yourthoughts, your beliefs, which
creates your results and thereality that you live.
So it is very much like acognitive process, but your
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state and your physiology isvery much influencing your
reality, right?
So it is determining theresults and your life too,
depending on your mood, the timeof day and these other
influences.
So it's a blend.
It's a blend, but, yeah, whenyou think about like the
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physiology in your body reallyhaving an impact on your life,
then she's also informing thedecisions that you make.
Your body is.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Mm-hmm, that's one of the things you make your body
is.
That's one of the things.
So one of my tools I use issomatic breathwork, and it's
really rooted in trauma healingas well, and one of the things
that I always share in mybreathwork journeys is we don't
always have to know the reasonbehind.
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We don't always have to knowthe story behind.
Maybe what we're experiencingon a physical level, especially
with breath work, we're reallybringing all that energy down
into our bodies.
So sometimes we find like weneed to shake or move or make a
noise or cry or yell, and wehave all of these physical
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reactions and in my mind I tendto be label myself as an
overthinker.
So when I started thisbreathwork journey, I was like
why is my body doing this?
Why is my body asking to like,shake, or why is my body asking
to make noise or whatever it is?
And I had this moment where itwas like it doesn't necessarily
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matter.
We can sometimes get the story.
We can sometimes.
Sometimes the story will cometo us.
But in processing whatever isbeing processed and allowing the
body to just experiencewhatever it needs to experience,
that was always a verydifferent, or that still is a
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very different perspective forme, because we get so stuck in
the stories of everything.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
I know it's so true, but that brings you back to how
you opened the space, too, today.
It was like women haveforgotten how to trust their
bodies, we've forgotten how totrust our intuition, and like
that connection to our intuitionand this is just an invitation
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back home like the body is,feels like home to me.
Without the breath, withoutthis physical body, we wouldn't
get to have this experience.
And a client of mine she's beenworking corporate accounting
for her entire career and shedid the thing.
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She pursued the certificate,she got the degrees and she came
to me because she's like, Idon't even really know why I
want to work with you.
I just feel the call.
I want to cultivate more of myfeminine, I want to cultivate my
spiritual relationship to thedivine and you feel like you're
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able to support me in that.
Now, anything else beyond this,I'm not really sure why I'm
here, but on our first call thatwe had, she was like I don't,
what is intuition?
How do I resource my intuition?
Like, how do?
Like I don't, I don't know.
And I said, babe, I'm so gladyou're here.
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This is actually what broughtme to this spiritual healing
path that I do now is my needand desire to connect to my
intuition.
This was back in 2017, where Istarted to cultivate that
relationship with my body again,after years of societal
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programming and familialprogramming, and I say that I
work with women coming home tothemselves and helping them
remember who they are.
Before, the programs and thedisembodied patriarchy told you
that you needed to be somethingdifferent.
And I say disembodiedpatriarchy because that's very
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different than the patriarchy.
The patriarchy isn't bad.
It's not a bad thing, same withthe matriarchy.
It's not a bad thing.
We need the masculine, we needour men, we need those poles and
that structure and we need thatfoundation and that holding.
We need the patriarchy, need itand the disembodied, toxic
masculinity and the disembodiedpatriarchy that we collectively,
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being women in the westernworld, have grown up in.
There's this forgetting of whatit means to trust your body and
your intuition, to trust in theprocess that's happening without
needing to have any fuckingclue what is happening.
You know, the other night Iwoke up at four in the morning.
I couldn't go back to sleep.
I prayed to God.
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I was like please don't justhelp me, like I need help, like
I can't go to sleep.
And then, all of a sudden, Ihad this massive emotional purge
and breakthrough and I wasdoing this like weird convulsive
, nonlinear movement andclearing like so much just
subtle, repressed grief from mysystem and I passed out and I
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could finally rest, and it'samazing how your body is
constantly informing you andproviding opportunity and
information for you to alchemizeand heal and transmute the pain
and the shame and therepression and the trauma that
we've been carrying around.
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But, really, truly, how often dowomen actually give themselves
the space?
Because it's, you know it, itdoes create upheaval.
There was another time, acouple weeks ago, I was
facilitating a workshop calledthe Holding Space.
It was with men and women.
The masculine was holding thefeminine in a really platonic,
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loving way.
Because how often do we actuallyallow ourselves to get held and
do it with somebody wherethere's no sexual energy?
Yeah, held and do it withsomebody where there's no sexual
energy.
And you know, that night I camehome and I had this really big
emotional process and purge andrelease and was like no one's
holding me and just like, yeah,like moving through all of this,
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like repressed grief that Ihadn't allowed myself to feel,
and that process was over anhour long.
And so we do have to create thespace, absolutely we have to,
and that's that masculine iseven giving ourselves the space,
providing creating the spacethat allows you to feel.
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But then, once you do, you feelso clear For me.
It's like I'll come out of asession that I might have held
for myself or somebody elsemight have held for me, and I
just like all I can do is sleepand my body is like feel so
loosey, goosey because I like Ijust upheaved so much of that
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stagnant energy from the body,like upheaved so much of that
stagnant energy from the body.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
I love that thing and thank you for sharing all those
personal stories.
I love that you held that.
You're inspiring me now.
I'm like maybe I should do someevent with like the masculine
and the feminine, just becausewe don't.
And that was one of my againlike going through my breathwork
journey, that was one of themost profound moments was when
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you do a one-on-one breathworkjourney with someone and they
are just holding space for youand they're just holding you,
sometimes physically, most ofthe time not even physically,
just emotionally, spiritually,but you just know that they're
there and they're holding spacefor you.
And I did one of my journeyswith now a good friend, but a
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male, and I had the sameexperience.
I was like nobody does this,like this doesn't happen.
It's always with that sexualenergy and oftentimes it's not
even the holding that we're kindof talking about.
Yeah, super interesting, superinteresting.
Yeah, I'm curious if you willshare some tips, some ideas,
(33:43):
some places to start withbeginning that connection and
building that relationship withyour intuition, because that's
one of the questions I get allthe time is how do I trust my
intuition?
What does that even mean?
How do I build that connectionwith my body?
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Okay, yeah, I love this question.
I'm laughing because it's likeeven those questions are so
masculine, like we need to havethe answers Like we need to have
the reason and the logic forwhat the fuck the intuition is
and exactly how we're going todo it and the steps that we're
going to do it in.
And so I just love like that.
(34:26):
That.
I love it.
I love it.
It's so perfect and what I howI have invited my intuition
online and how I've supported myclients too is something so
simple as like taking your dogfor a walk and asking your body
do you want to go right?
Do you want to go left?
Do you want to go right?
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Do you want to go left?
It's like there's no realscience behind it, and then you
just choose, and then you'd makethe next choice.
And then you make the nextchoice and you actually don't
need to know what the result is.
And so it's really just aboutlike, what is the choice in
front of you, making thatdecision and just continuing to
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like, follow the seeds of liketo like, follow the seeds of
like inspiration and on thatwalk that you might be on with
your dog.
Another way to nurture theintuition and cultivate your
connection to your body is usingyour five senses.
So you know, looking at theflowers that are blooming in
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early spring with awe and wonder, and noticing the subtle shift
in scents in the air that happenbetween one block and the next,
and feeling the cool, you knowfresh air on your skin, I love
to leave my phone behind,because how often are we with
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our heads down, connected online, and so that feels like a
really important piece too isjust setting aside all
distractions, going out intonature, putting your feet on the
earth, letting your body guideyou, just asking.
You can't really fuck up a walkyou know it's like okay, do I
go right.
Or left, like there's no, youjust go right.
Yeah, there's like low, okay,do I go right or left Like
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there's no, you just go right,yeah, there's like low risk
associated with that.
And so, yeah, like justcultivating that inner compass
little by little, and then youcan bring that into your meals,
you can bring that into whereyou want to go at night, the
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people that you want to be, youknow, in association with and
it's oftentimes the firstthought I always remind my
clients like we'll do again,like subconscious work, and the
first thought is the bestthought, like whatever came
through needs to come through,don't overthink it, it doesn't
make sense.
It's okay, it's not supposed tomake sense.
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Just tell me what the firstthing was.
And that is also informing youof your intuition and your inner
compass.
And so, when it comes to foodand like intuitive eating,
that's been a process that I'veexplored myself, typically like
in the winter, the winter, youknow, listen to your body.
(37:14):
What does she want?
Probably it's like warm foodsin a cup of soup and cooked
vegetables.
Like I don't want an effingsalad in the middle of winter,
like I don't want a caesar saladlike get it away from me, yeah,
yeah, like.
Maybe I'll like eat like asalad, at least like dark, leafy
greens, because it feels likeearthy and nourishing and full
of like nutrient dense.
(37:35):
But, yeah, like starting tojust ask your body.
You know you can place yourhands on your womb and be like,
hey, mama, you know, like, whatdo you need today?
What do you want today?
What feels good for you today,for you today, and just starting
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to open up that conversation.
It's really a lot less aboutcertain steps and really just
about cultivating thatrelationship again with your
body, with your womb.
And if we want to get more intolike other tangible tools and
modalities Alternate nostrilbreathing, that's great to open
and activate your third eye.
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You can do some work around yourthird eye energy clearing.
The color associated with yourthird eye is violet and so you
can meditate with kind of likethat color, violet circulating
and clearing and opening yourthird eye.
And the seed sound for thethird eye is Aum, so you can
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even like chant Aum.
You can put on frequencies thathelp to stimulate your third
eye.
There are certain foods Rappeiwould be a good medicine to open
up your third eye as well, andso there, yeah, there's like
infinite things that I would say.
Those latter ones are a littlebit more advanced than some of
the earlier ones that Imentioned.
(39:02):
Uh, but I mean, I love.
This is like my, my work and mybread and butter, so I teaching
on this.
I'm so glad that you asked.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
Yeah, I'm always.
I'm always curious to hear whatother people's perspective is
and what their answer is.
Because it's just such, it issuch a individual answer.
At the same time there's likeno answer and like there's no
right answer, there's no wronganswer.
It's truly, it's truly for me,it's truly just reconnecting.
(39:34):
I word it as learning thecommunication of your body,
because our body doesn't speakin words, it speaks in
sensations or feelings oremotions or like that intuition,
just kind of like that vibe.
You know that kind of feelingthat you have, or like that
inner knowing.
And I would always say you knowwe could talk feeling that you
have, or like that inner knowing, and I would always say you
know we could talk human designand see what like your strongest
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senses, and see how that senseis communicating with you, and
that those are ways that you canbegin.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
Totally and I want to mention too like.
So we have mirror chakras, andyour womb and your third eye are
the mirror chakra.
Your crown and your root aremirror chakras, your throat and
your solar plexus are mirrorchakras and then your heart is
kind of like the center point.
So you know, your intuition isvery much associated with, like,
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your womb.
When I talked about a lot ofthose exercises earlier, that
was a lot of like womb based,body based work and then a lot
of that like third eyeactivation.
Your vocal cords are alsophysiologically look very
similar to your womb space andso activating your voice, like
you just said, is a reallyimportant like communication is
(40:48):
also a really important piece ofsupporting and activating your
intuition.
Speaking, your needs speakingyour desires putting voice to
what it is that you want.
And for me, like I'm always inthat dojo and in that edge of
like cultivating a stronger, youmight believe it, you might not
(41:08):
, because I love to talk andhave a lot to say.
You might believe it, you mightnot, because I love to talk and
have a lot to say.
And I have a lot of trauma inmy womb that I'm continuing to
work on and alchemize, as domany women, and my voice feels
like I'm still working on thatconnection of womb to voice and
speaking and communicating mydesires, because it goes back to
(41:29):
early childhood.
But oftentimes, when I hademotion arise, right, that
emotion that lives in the wombspace and I needed, like I
communicated the emotion, likemy, the masculine in my life
couldn't hold it.
He told me to stop crying.
You know why are you feelingthat way?
And so often you know like,little by little, my voice
became smaller and smaller andit's been uh, it's been, yeah,
(41:54):
just such a beautifulopportunity to reactivate and
cultivate that relationshipbetween womb and and throat, and
that's such an important pieceof this work not only knowing
what your intuition is tellingyou, but now acting on speaking
on intuition.
The throat's very masculine innature.
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The womb is very, it's veryfeminine in nature, and so it's
like supporting the femininethrough the voice.
Activation Kirtan greatpractice.
I'm going to start going toKirtan next week.
I'm so excited, but that's adevotional practice through the
voice and spoken Sanskrit andsinging Sanskrit, chanting
(42:41):
Sanskrit another great way toactivate the voice and also
activate your intuition throughthis devotional practice of love
.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
Wow, I love that.
You taught me something Ididn't know we had mirror
chakras.
I've never heard that before.
That was really cool.
I like that, and I mean so muchmakes sense, of course, like,
even when we talk about ourhistory of like silencing women
and then all of that like makesso much much sense.
(43:13):
Oh man, all right, so let'slet's do something potentially
interesting.
We didn't plan this out.
It might not be interesting atall, but this is interesting in
my mind.
So I'm going to talk a littlebit about your human design
chart.
I'm just going, since we'retalking so much about the Sacral
Center, I want to talk aboutthe Sacral Center in terms of
(43:35):
human design, not everythingthat I would, you know.
Talk about the Sacral Centerlike, which is with all of my
knowledge, but I'm going to tryto keep it pretty human design
focused.
And then I want to hear yourperspective and anything that
you would add, change, shiftabout this.
So in human design, we all havea sacral center.
(43:58):
It's either going to be definedor undefined.
So defined would be colored in,undefined would be white or not
colored in.
And if you have a definedsacral center, that's what makes
you a generator, or amanifesting generator.
If you are a manifestor,reflector, projector, you are
not, you're not going to have adefined sacral center.
(44:20):
So I love talking about thesacral center, probably because
I also am a sacral authority,but so the sacral center is
actually like our biggest.
We have four motor centers.
It's the biggest, most powerfulmotor center in human design,
so it's like our powerhouse cell.
It's our powerhouse center.
(44:42):
The sacral center is one of ourliteral centers where we gain
energy, so like our physicalenergy centers, where we gain
energy so like our physicalenergy.
So that's kind of where we,when we talk about human design,
we say manifesting generatorsand generators tend to have a
little bit more consistentaccess to their physical energy
(45:05):
because it's coming from thatsacral center.
The sacral center also is ourcenter for pleasure, and one of
the things that I always like tokind of caveat that with is
it's not just sexual pleasure.
I think when we talk aboutpleasure we always think about
like sexual pleasure, but it'snot always that.
(45:27):
And it's our center ofsatisfaction, which is where,
when we're talking again in likeenergy types, your self theme
as a generator is satisfaction,the emotion, the felt sense of
satisfaction.
So our sacral center typicallylike shadow sides of our sacral
(45:48):
center, or when we know thatwe're not living in alignment,
that sacral center will askquestions like okay, do, like I
am, I'm not.
Maybe they'll feel like Ialways have to be doing.
Or, or when, when do I know thatenough is enough or I just have
to push through this?
Because, whatever I said, adeadline or somebody's um
(46:12):
leaning on me or or depending onme, um, it tends to be like
pretty fast.
Like okay, let's go on to thenext thing.
Like what's it tends to?
It can have the shadow side,can have that, what's the word?
Like the masculine energy, butlike just disturbed masculine
(46:34):
energy, like not in alignment ofvery much.
Like let me just pull myself upby my bootstraps and I'll just
do it myself, because nobodyelse is going to do it for me.
Like those are some shadowsides of the sacral center, um,
so that's, that's, that's what Ihave to say about the sacral
center in terms of human design.
(46:55):
But I'm curious what you wouldadd, what you would change, how
that all landed.
Speaker 2 (47:01):
I love it, this is so perfect, it's spot on.
Yeah, oh, my gosh.
Okay.
So absolutely, your sacral asbeing your energy centers, right
?
And so women it's sointeresting, women, when we get
turned on, when we start tobecome engaged sexually, we have
(47:23):
more craving, more desire toenjoy sex.
Yeah, comes from your sacralchakra.
And so when it comes to likewomen's ability to and desire to
(47:44):
be sensual, to be sexual, to becreative, to feel activated,
like the more that you nurturethat energy, the more that
energy will come online Like,the more creative you are when
you're nurturing your creativecenters, the more sexual and
like in pleasure and desire andcravings of connection you'll be
(48:06):
when you're becoming sexualwith somebody.
I know, like last year I wentthrough a period of abstinence
and I was just like nothing,like I didn't want to be like
touched, I didn't want to likeeven think about men.
I was just like so turned off.
I didn't touch myself for likemonths, like my self-pleasure
(48:28):
practice was like so offline.
And then now, you know, I wentoff to freaking Asia for two
months and I come back and likeI get like felt these shifts in
my body, these energetic, subtleshifts in my body, and then all
of a sudden I go out and fourmen ask for my phone number
tonight.
I'm like what's happening, likeshe is online, she is ready,
(48:51):
like she is like, activated, andyou may or may not need to sit
in a 10-day vipassana to do that.
I don't know.
That's the question, um, but Itotally believe, like for women,
it's when your sacral isengaged, when you're nurturing
that creative essence, thatsensual, that sexual pleasure
center, that like, we crave itmore and so that is like this
(49:14):
kind of like self, self umfulfilling.
I I kind of see it as like a dam, like the water stops flowing.
There's like no energy ismoving through that space.
But when there's like energymovement and flow, it's kind of
like this naturalself-sustaining process that
happens.
(49:34):
Men are a little bit different,because when they have an
orgasm, when they ejaculate,they actually lose a lot of
their life force.
And so that's where men and Idon't want to get too deep into
this because I'm not like superknowledgeable myself but that's
when men get to start topractice orgasm without
(49:57):
ejaculation, because they cansustain their energy for long,
for a long time, right, versuslike ejaculation and then their
energy kind of like falls.
Yeah, so it's interesting towork with like the masculine,
the feminine energies in thatspace.
I 100 agree too.
It's like it can be sexual,doesn't need to be sexual
(50:18):
Pleasure.
I find in so many things I'mlike can you feed me?
Like that will make me happy.
Yeah, you can pick me up, likeI will do my pleasure, like
please.
And so there's so manydifferent ways that we can work
with pleasure and, like Imentioned to, women in
(50:40):
particular do have a lot ofsexual trauma and so to like
lovingly work with some of theseenergies and maybe, like your
art, gets to be your creativeoutlet for some of those
repressed emotions and sexualtrauma that you might have had
to heal, your pleasure centers,and there's, yeah, like so many
lenses and kind of angles thatyou can take on that.
(51:03):
I definitely 100% agree aboutthe shadow aspect of the sacral
and overdoing and checkingthings off of the list.
And I was listening to a podcastor not a podcast, an audio book
actually recently about thewomb.
It's like a 10-hour audio bookon the womb and maybe I'm a
little bit in over my head on itbecause I'm like, okay, I've
(51:25):
learned enough, but it's talkingabout the left ovary and the
right ovary and the left side ofthe body reigns the feminine,
the right is the masculine andthe left ovary is really about
like creation and like internalnurturing.
And then the right ovary, eventhough it is obviously like a
female body part, that'sactually about a lot of like
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action and doing and likeputting out into the world.
And you know, there may be someimbalance there.
If that shadow side of likeoverachieving, over-efforting,
forcing, trying energy is reallyonline, then there is probably
some balancing and somenurturing towards the masculine
(52:11):
or even like your right ovary,your right side body, to help to
nurture that.
And I know, like last year,which it's all making sense now
because last year I did a lot ofwork around my inner masculine,
a lot of work around like myfather wound, a lot of work
around my trauma and myrelationships to drugs and
(52:33):
alcohol and sex and like clearedit all from my system.
And that was also when I finallyjust cleared all of the trying,
the forcing, the doing, thelike efforting from my system
too, because last year I wasworking and I was holding a lot
(52:53):
and I needed to take amulti-month pause to fill my cup
back up because it was like somuch forcing energy and there
was like this recalibration thathappened through that latter
half of last year which reallyallowed my system, through the
healing of the masculine andthrough the healing of even that
right ovary which I haveexperienced trauma to my right
(53:17):
ovary that I know through a bodywork session that I discovered
through healing and nurturing,that actually kind of unlocked
and released that effort andthat toxic masculine, shadowy
aspect of the sacral from mysystem.
And it's, of course, alwayslike a cycle and processing and
(53:41):
deepening in that.
But yeah, I love it.
Speaker 1 (53:45):
Super interesting.
Yeah, there's so much I thinkthere's so much that we can talk
about with just the sacralcenter.
Speaker 2 (53:54):
This is why I can't study human design.
I'm like I can't go down thathole, like I'm in the earth,
like yeah, yeah.
So I love to turn to it and Ilove learning about it.
Yeah, um, yeah, it's fantasticand it's so aligned.
It's like, yeah, it's all.
It all goes and blends togetheryeah, it really does.
Speaker 1 (54:18):
And you said something very early on in our
conversation and you saidsomething about, like I wanted
to explore the root cause withyour holistic coaching or
holistic health coaching, Like Iwanted, like I was realizing
that I wasn't addressing theroot, and that's really
something that's important to metoo.
And there's so many ways that wecan get to that root cause or
(54:40):
that root problem or that rootwhatever, like the root issue.
I use human design as one ofthose tools, I use somatic
breath work as one of thosetools and cycle work, but
there's so many differentavenues that we can find and
explore and then you find whatworks for you.
And that's one of the reasons Ihave this podcast is because I
(55:02):
realized that my tools are notthe only tools and they're not
the quote right tools.
They may be the right tools forsomeone, but women's work or
shadow work or, you know,embodying more feminine energy
or really exploring the feminineand exploring the masculine
embodiment work.
(55:23):
I mean there's so many things.
There's so many ways that wecan walk this journey of life
and healing and embodiment andreally coming home you said that
too coming home to our bodiesand coming home to ourselves.
I think that's that's our,that's my life mission, that's
(55:44):
that's like.
One of the biggest journeysthat we can take in this
lifetime is rediscoveringourselves, rediscovering our
power and coming home to ourbodies.
Speaker 2 (55:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (55:55):
Amazing.
Speaker 2 (55:56):
I love it and that's what it's all about.
It's like we're sharing thesame mission, right?
It's like leading people backhome to the truth of who they
are, and we just have differentmedicines and different
vibrations that get to supporteach other, and they're both
beautiful and perfect in theirwildly imperfect ways, and
(56:20):
perfect in their wildlyimperfect ways.
Speaker 1 (56:23):
I love it.
So thank you.
That was the human design piece, so I'm not going to pull more,
and I know that we're kind ofgetting towards time.
So last question is if you werestanding on a stage and you had
one minute to share a message,what would that message be?
Speaker 2 (56:38):
Oh my gosh.
Hmm, what would that message be?
(57:07):
Oh my gosh, I think it'sactually a lot easier than
people have made made this lifeout to be, and when you follow
your intuition and say yes toyour life path, it gets to be
fulfilling and nourishing andyou get to have fun along the
way.
And if things are feelingdifficult, if you're feeling
like you're forcing, you'reprobably doing the wrong thing.
You can't do the wrong thing,but you're probably doing the
wrong thing.
You can't do the wrong thing,but you're probably doing the
wrong thing.
And yeah, you, you get to havefun.
And yeah, yeah, you don't likejust trust, trust in life and
(57:39):
everything's working out.
Speaker 1 (57:42):
Yeah, I love that.
Thank you so, as people want toconnect with you, where can
they find you?
Where do you hang out?
Speaker 2 (57:52):
oh my gosh, instagram is.
It's a fine place to connectwith me definitely send me a
message.
It's I am Kat Tovar, with twot's k-a-t-t-o-v-a-r.
Um, it's been interesting.
I've been like weaving andnavigating how I'm connecting
(58:13):
and showing up in that space.
Even now, um, I've got aretreat coming up in at the end
of april.
I'm super excited about it's.
In guatemala.
Um, yeah, the, the feminine,untamed retreat, seven days.
It's gonna be incredible.
We're gonna be doing sweatlodge, ecstatic dance, we're
(58:36):
gonna be drinking cacao, singingkirtan, we're going to be
hiking at sunrise.
And then I have my women'sgroup that I'm enrolling in the
temple of the jaguar and thatretreat is actually included in
the enrollment.
So three places to connect, andinstagram is a great place to
(58:57):
send a message.
If you're, if anything camethrough, I love hearing from you
guys.
It's like such a, such a, sucha treat to know like, oh, my god
, the stalker, what did you meanwhen you said this?
You know like that feels reallygood to to connect.
Um, and thank you, hannah, somuch.
This has been so much fun.
I love the opportunity to behere and, yeah, just excited to
(59:24):
share with your community.
Speaker 1 (59:26):
Thank you.
Thank you for coming.
This has been so fun.
Speaker 2 (59:29):
Yes my pleasure.
Welcome to the podcast Journey to Well.
I am with Kat Tovar today.
She honestly I'm super excitedto have this conversation
because I don't know about youand I want to hear this
perspective.
But I don't come across a lotof people that do women's work
and hold women's circles and allof these things, especially in
(00:26):
the North, which I know.
You're in the West, so maybeyou have a little bit more if
you're in your community.
But I'm super excited to chatwomen's work, shadow work,
always.
We're going to talk humandesign.
Before I let you introduceyourself, kat, I like to try to
remember to introduce my humandesign, your human design
(00:47):
profile.
So Kat is a 6'3 sacralgenerator, so we'll talk a
little bit about that.
But before we get into thewomen's work, the shadow work,
your story, I would love for youjust to introduce yourself.
Who is Kat?
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Incredible.
Well, I'm so excited to be herewith you, hannah, and you hit
the nail on the head regardingthe women's work and it being
actually present in the Westmore than it is maybe in the
North or the East.
I'm originally from the EastCoast and moved to Colorado
about five years ago in pursuitof my heart and soul and spirit
(01:27):
guiding me this way, but I am awomen's group facilitator.
I do a lot of somatic work,body-based healing.
I reprogram and repatternwomen's bodies at a cellular
level through energy work,channeling and a lot of really
intuitive holding space in thesetypes of gatherings, and my
(01:49):
gatherings are very diverse.
A woman was just texting metoday.
She's going to be at my nextin-person gathering here in
Boulder, colorado, and she waslike I have no idea what to
expect.
And I was like me neither, andI think that's the most
beautiful part of this work thatI do is it's so emergent in
nature and how I facilitatethese circles.
(02:11):
I've been doing it since 2018.
I've been in women's work sinceeven before that almost a decade
now but facilitating thesegatherings since 2018.
These gatherings since 2018.
And what I've realized is thatthe more attuned and the more of
a clear channel I can be, andless about needing a structure,
(02:32):
because women, we are so fluidand we are so intuitive.
That's when the magic occurs,and so that's really how I
facilitate my spaces.
Now Maybe I do tune in day ofor day before and really listen
to my guides, my spirit team,and tap into the collective
energy to become informed aboutwhat's going to be the most
(02:56):
supportive for the women thatcome into the spaces.
But it's such a beautifulemergent space that I hold and
it's been a progression.
Like you mentioned before, westarted recording too.
You're like I used to havequestions and I used to have
structure and now I just flow,and I think that comes on
cultivating that sense ofconfidence and trust with
(03:18):
yourself over time.
And that's been a practice aswell when it comes to women's
work, because at the beginning Iwas like, oh, I don't know,
like looking for all the answersoutside of me, and the truth is
we do know, and so it's been areally cool evolution to realize
like, hey, you know my sacral,she knows right, and to tune
(03:39):
into more of like the womb spaceand the intuition to guide.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Yeah, I love that you brought up the sacral.
Of course you're a sacralauthority, but just that sacral
center and really bringing upthat conversation of trust,
because we don't.
We don't trust our bodies, wedon't trust our intuition for so
many reasons, whether that'sjust like societally, or we lost
trust with our bodies at somepoint in time.
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So I want to start at thebeginning.
I want one of the biggest goalsof my podcast and my channel is
really to bring these possiblycomplex or deep topics and
really bring them down to likebasic level and make them very
easily digestible.
That's one of my biggest goalswith human design specifically.
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But for people that arelistening that maybe have heard
the term women's work or women'scircles or, hopefully, if you
follow me on Instagram, you knowthat I will hold women's
circles and new moon circles butwhat?
What is that definition to you?
What is women's work to you?
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Oh my gosh, it's so funny Cause I was just recording
a training.
I have, uh, an academy where Icertify and provide tools and
resources and really supportwomen that are desiring to hold
these sort of these gatheringswith the tools that they need.
And in the last training Irecorded was like what is
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women's work?
There can be such a variety andI think that's a beautiful part
of the feminine is it is soundefined and it is so
spirit-based and it is such afelt experience, and so I think
that's like part of the beautyof women's work is it is this
experience to be had and feltversus defined um, and when we
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want to like really ground thatum definition and understand a
little bit better like what thata space like that could be.
Like women's work could beanywhere from bringing sadhana,
which is the, the sanskrit termfor like a spiritual talk,
typically there's a teacher or amentor or a guide bringing a
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theme or a topic to the groupand there gets to be this
collaborative, co-creativeconversation that happens and
education around what thatspecific topic is.
That's one type.
I actually started, similarlyto you, doing this work around
the full moon is really what Iwas guided towards, and then I
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realized this was when I waslike in my earlier mid-20s, and
then I was like, wait a minute,there's all these other moon
cycles and there's like the newmoon and what about you know,
like the waiting and the waxing,and so realizing like there's
so many energies that you canwork with.
And I started with that anchorof the lunar cycle and the moon
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and I integrated a little bit ofastrology.
I'm no astrology buff by anymeans, but that was a really
beautiful way to like inviteother women in the space online
if they had anything tocontribute as well, because I do
believe like this is aco-creative space, we're
learning from one another.
Like this is a co-creativespace, we're learning from one
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another.
There's often like that poleand that guide and that leader
who is you or I, and everyonehas their own gifts that they're
bringing into this space.
And so women's work is often,you know, there's no real
hierarchy, there's nopedestalling, it's everyone has
their own gifts to offer.
(07:25):
Now, the work that I do is moretherapeutic in nature.
It's quite somatic, which Imentioned.
I practice timeline therapy.
I'm certified in subconsciousreprogramming through the lens
of NLP, neurolinguisticprogramming, programming, and
the somatic body-based energywork that I do, very intuitive
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and typically there will be.
My last group was called theCoven.
There's a coven and gathering agroup of women that come
together.
This work sometimes can get alittle bit witchy, which is
actually going back to trustingyour body and intuition.
Women have been robbed of thatand women have been judged or
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burned and criticized for thesetypes of gatherings.
So I feel like there is thisresurrection and this
reclamation of the witch, thewise, intuitive, healer, channel
, teacher, right, there's.
That goes in a certain orderthat I just, you know, botched,
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but you know, using that framefor women as witches, calling
ourselves back to the earth,back to our bodies, back to our
intuition.
And, yeah, the gatherings thatI do, like I mentioned, I never
know what's going to happen andthen I just tune in, I resource
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myself and tune into what mychannel and my guides are
telling me, and that's been apractice cultivated over time.
So so many different types ofgatherings, some more relational
in nature, some moretherapeutic in nature, and I
find mine they fall on theentire spectrum, depending on
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really what is being felt andneeded collectively as well.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Yeah, I love that.
That's been a huge piece of myjourney is just learning to
trust and not do as muchpreparation and it's really.
It's really this whole ritualof like getting ready in the
morning and just beginning totune in before you even get to
the space and then creating thelunar cycle as well.
I always share this in my mooncircles.
(09:40):
I said I'm kind of a little bitrebellious, like very low key,
I'm not really a rebelliousperson, but when I started my
women's circle I felt everyonedid stuff on the full moon
(10:01):
Because I mean, obviously thefull moon really lends itself
the full moon energy, lendsitself to celebration, to
gratitude, to like gettingtogether and communing together.
And obviously, if you dosomething outside, I mean it's
so gorgeous to have the new moonunder being under the new moon,
the full moon.
I keep saying new moon becauseI'm like I always say it's
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beautiful to be under the fullmoon, but for me I was like I
want to do the opposite to beunder the full moon, but for me
I was like I want to do theopposite.
Actually, I don't want to hostsomething on the full moon, I
want to host something on thenew moon because I've never seen
anything on the new moon.
And then fast forward.
One day I came across one ofthose like Facebook ads or
whatever of you can get yourlike.
(10:41):
You can get like the phase ofthe moon that you were, that you
that you met your partner under, or that you were born under,
or your mom was born under, orwhatever.
And so I looked up the phase ofthe moon that I was born under
and it was a new moon.
Maybe this is why, because Iwas born under a new moon, and
that's why I'm drawn to the newmoon energy.
(11:01):
But it's honestly, I love theintuition, I love the leaning
into trusting your body and thesomatic work.
So I'd love to talk a littlebit of somatic work.
I'd love to talk, like NLP, alittle bit of your journey.
What led you to this?
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Yeah, such a good question.
And okay, I just want to say,before I go on to often this
tangent, the moon, the new moon,is also such a beautiful time,
that darkness and like howbright you can see the stars and
the galaxies, and so I thinkjust wanted to say that that's a
really beautiful time to be outunder the moon and in nature as
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well, because it's justdifferent, right.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
It's different.
It's a nice time to get quietand we don't really spend a lot
of time getting quiet withothers.
We oftentimes were thinkinglike, if I'm going to be quiet,
or you think of like yourmenstrual phase and you're like
I don't want to see anyone,don't want to do anything, but
it's this cool juxtaposition ofand obviously in the circle,
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like we spend a lot of timegoing inward and journaling and
spending time with ourselves,but we're with other women,
which is different.
It's a different perspective tohold, I love it.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
I love it, yeah.
So, okay, your question about,yeah, nlp and somatics and
really how I got here so I wasin the Peace Corps this was back
in 2016 was when I went andserved in the Peace Corps and I
got to my site, got my siteassignment moved down to this
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rural town on a dirt road inSouthwest Costa Rica 200-person
town.
The closest grocery store wastwo hours away.
The closest internet cafe wastwo hours away.
You had to get up at 4 am tocatch a buseta on a bumpy road,
drive through rivers thatsometimes were flooded, and it
was just a wild time to be alivein my body and I was living
(13:05):
with this pastor and his wifeand I just had so many judgments
towards myself.
There was a previous volunteerthat lived in the town, a man,
and he was revered by everyone.
Mark this Markos.
Mark this mark that he did allthe things.
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He's so amazing and thereseemed to be this pedestalizing
that was happening, and even forme, I was like putting this man
on a pedestal and making myselffeel less than, and all of a
sudden, I had stressors andanxieties that I'd never felt
before, because I'm a very chillperson and so when I do feel
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stressed or anxious, like mywhole system gets disrupted, and
that's what happenedunconsciously was I was making
myself ill.
A lot of those emotions arestored and worked through our
digestive tract, and there'sthis very visceral.
(14:07):
Now science is starting to findthe data of the gut-brain
connection and my gut started torebel.
I have a couple of autoimmunedisorders.
I was diagnosed with celiacsabout six months into my service
, and that led me into holistichealth.
(14:27):
I started listening to podcastslike a mad woman.
I found this book on healingyour celiacs, how to deal with
it, and I came upon becoming aholistic health coach.
I heard that in one of thepodcasts that I was listening to
and I was like this is itbecause I am rebellious in
nature?
(14:48):
I'm a wild woman, I justembrace it.
I'm like you're here becauseyou break the rules, you live
outside of the boxes, youquestion everything that society
has programmed into us.
That's really the women that Iwork with and call forward, and
so I never wanted to becorporate.
I was raised by entrepreneursand I did have this rebellious
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nature in me, and so when Iheard about this holistic health
path, I was like this is it?
This is the key to my queendom.
I get to pursue that and so Ibecame a holistic health coach
and I became a certified yogateacher.
I got my 200 hour in Costa Rica, became a trauma-informed
facilitator and started down therabbit hole.
(15:35):
And I noticed with my healthcoaching clients they weren't
getting the results that theywanted, nor I desired to see for
them as their guide, because weweren't working with the root
cause.
And oftentimes, in what I'veseen within myself and my
experience and journey into myspirit and purpose is that we
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are brought to this work throughthe body.
The body is a very tangiblevisceral.
You can feel it, you can touchit, you can measure it, object,
and it's often our gateway tothe intangible, the ethereal,
the immeasurable, theinnumerable, your spirit realm.
And so that's what reallybrought me into the more subtle
(16:25):
reprogramming and working withthe body in this really
beautiful, like subtle,energetic way.
And so the woman that I wasworking with at the time she was
starting an academy for NLPcertifying coaches to become
certified success and lifecoaches and use NLP as a
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framework.
So I went through that becauseI felt like that was another key
working with the subconscious.
Over 95% of your thoughts,values, beliefs and identity are
underneath your consciousawareness, are subconscious, and
so if you want to become ahealthy person, well, how are
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you showing up and what do youbelieve and what are you telling
yourself is true day in and dayout.
That creates your reality.
And so that was like really mydoorway into more of this
subconscious kind of the unseenrealms.
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Because for me, thesubconscious it's feminine,
right, it's emotional, it'semotionally driven, it is in
that sacral area, driven byintuition, and for me it's like
it's the shadow realm.
And so I started to realize,through the deeper curiosity and
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embodiment of my work, like,okay, this is all actually, like
it's all feminine, it's allfeminine.
And then, doing the trauma workand the trauma healing and the
energy healing and therepatterning of bodies at a
cellular level, energeticrepatterning, that that sort of
like lens of somatic healingstarted to come very intuitively
(18:17):
for myself.
And so, yeah, it's just beenlike this beautiful unfolding.
I have no idea where I'm going.
Like I mentioned the womanthat's coming to my circle next
week.
She's like what are we doing?
I was like I don't know, Icouldn't tell you.
Yeah, I couldn't tell you, I'lltell you when you're there, but
even then, like we might shiftand yeah, it's just been this
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really exciting becoming.
Yeah, it's just been thisreally exciting becoming.
And my mentor talks about notneeding to know the final
destination, just needing toknow the next step, and that
feels like that's been.
My process is like I'm justtaking the next step and it
doesn't even need to be theright step, like I could take a
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left step, I could take a backstep, I could go up, I could do
it Like it's like there's somuch flexibility there, but just
taking the next step so thatthe next thing reveals itself
along the way.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Yeah, there's been a lot of my journey in releasing
that right or wrong, what's theright choice?
Because we get so stuck there,we get so in our heads over that
, and what if I make the wrongdecision?
That's come up, releasing that,that there's no right or wrong,
there's always just a choice.
(19:35):
It's just a choice.
I'm curious.
You said something superintriguing and I want you to
(20:10):
dive more into it.
Lives, or part of oursubconscious lives in our sacral
center, and having thatsubconscious or unconscious
programming being actually avery visceral and somatic
experience, rather than all inour mind.
What did you mean by that?
What is your perspective onthat?
Speaker 2 (20:25):
yeah, so the subconscious is often governed
by emotion, sensation, and forchakra that is associated with
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water is the womb, it's thesacral chakra.
And so when you kind of likeblend all of these different
themes and topics and plus, likethe subconscious, is the
underworld, it, it's the void,it's the doorway to infinite
possibility and potential, whichalso feels so related to the
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womb, space, the sacral.
And so, again, your emotions.
Those emotions are very watery,cyclical in nature.
It's like the tides are alwayschanging, they always come back.
It's like the tides are alwayschanging, uh, they always come
back.
You can just rely on the factthat your emotions, energy and
motion, it's always moving andshifting, and so that is the
(21:34):
thing that you can at leastsoften and rely on.
Kind of going back to there'sno right or wrong.
It's like the only constant ischange and that's a universal
law.
And so, with the subconsciousand that feminine nature, that
watery nature, that space intoinfinite possibility and
potential, when you think aboutthe ocean, right, and an iceberg
(21:54):
kind of jutting down intowhoever, nobody knows how far
those icebergs go down, nobodyknows what's underneath the
surface of the ocean, right,like it's infinitely expanding.
Like we could, we can't findthe end of it, because we can't
measure it, like that's what thesubconscious feels, like I
guess you could try to measureit right, but like we don't have
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the technology or the resourcesor the tools to go that far
into what seems to be in yeah,absolutely yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
It's super interesting.
Yeah, I love all of that.
I've always kind of thought ofour subconscious just in that
like heady space and not so muchin a somatic way.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Yeah, and when you think about like the heady, it's
like, okay.
Well, what governs your beliefsystem?
Typically it's your emotions.
What governs your nervoussystem is whether you feel
flighty or safe and that, likesafety right, that
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parasympathetic nervous systemresponse is also governed again
by your emotions.
It is reigned too by yourexperiences.
So, through the lens of nlp, wehave the communication model and
through the communication model, you have your five senses your
sight, your sound, you'rehearing, your taste and your
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touch, your kinesthetic sensescoming through and you're kind
of like bringing them throughthis filing system in your mind.
Because at any point, at anymoment, we're actually taking in
2.9 million bits of informationper second.
That's a lot of information.
It's way too much to to try toto understand or consciously
(23:48):
organize.
Right, like, in the backgroundthere's avocado oil, on the like
there's a stocking, but none ofthat's actually really relevant
to me right now.
So, even though there's all ofthis information that I'm taking
in, we only consciouslyregister anywhere from seven to
nine bits of that informationper second and then the rest
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gets deleted, distorted andgeneralized, depending on your
mood, your time, like the timingof the day, your environment,
and then those, like thatorganization of information
influences and informs yourstate.
That is influenced by yourphysiology, or, like your body
(24:32):
and the internal representation.
What I mean by that is, likeyour previous experience
associated with the water that'ssitting in front of you, right,
like, oh, did I drink likewater with a worm in it?
Then maybe I might be likeafraid to drink that water and
first it's like, okay, water islike a nurturing, healthy thing,
so I'm gonna drink it.
(24:52):
Right, so your state isinfluenced by these, like past
experiences and your body'swell-being, your physiology,
which affects your, yourthoughts, your beliefs, which
creates your results and thereality that you live.
So it is very much like acognitive process, but your
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state and your physiology isvery much influencing your
reality, right?
So it is determining theresults and your life too,
depending on your mood, the timeof day and these other
influences.
So it's a blend.
It's a blend, but, yeah, whenyou think about like the
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physiology in your body reallyhaving an impact on your life,
then she's also informing thedecisions that you make.
Your body is.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Mm-hmm, that's one of the things you make your body
is.
That's one of the things.
So one of my tools I use issomatic breathwork, and it's
really rooted in trauma healingas well, and one of the things
that I always share in mybreathwork journeys is we don't
always have to know the reasonbehind.
(26:11):
We don't always have to knowthe story behind.
Maybe what we're experiencingon a physical level, especially
with breath work, we're reallybringing all that energy down
into our bodies.
So sometimes we find like weneed to shake or move or make a
noise or cry or yell, and wehave all of these physical
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reactions and in my mind I tendto be label myself as an
overthinker.
So when I started thisbreathwork journey, I was like
why is my body doing this?
Why is my body asking to like,shake, or why is my body asking
to make noise or whatever it is?
And I had this moment where itwas like it doesn't necessarily
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matter.
We can sometimes get the story.
We can sometimes.
Sometimes the story will cometo us.
But in processing whatever isbeing processed and allowing the
body to just experiencewhatever it needs to experience,
that was always a verydifferent, or that still is a
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very different perspective forme, because we get so stuck in
the stories of everything.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
I know it's so true, but that brings you back to how
you opened the space, too, today.
It was like women haveforgotten how to trust their
bodies, we've forgotten how totrust our intuition, and like
that connection to our intuitionand this is just an invitation
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back home like the body is,feels like home to me.
Without the breath, withoutthis physical body, we wouldn't
get to have this experience.
And a client of mine she's beenworking corporate accounting
for her entire career and shedid the thing.
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She pursued the certificate,she got the degrees and she came
to me because she's like, Idon't even really know why I
want to work with you.
I just feel the call.
I want to cultivate more of myfeminine, I want to cultivate my
spiritual relationship to thedivine and you feel like you're
(28:31):
able to support me in that.
Now, anything else beyond this,I'm not really sure why I'm
here, but on our first call thatwe had, she was like I don't,
what is intuition?
How do I resource my intuition?
Like, how do?
Like I don't, I don't know.
And I said, babe, I'm so gladyou're here.
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This is actually what broughtme to this spiritual healing
path that I do now is my needand desire to connect to my
intuition.
This was back in 2017, where Istarted to cultivate that
relationship with my body again,after years of societal
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programming and familialprogramming, and I say that I
work with women coming home tothemselves and helping them
remember who they are.
Before, the programs and thedisembodied patriarchy told you
that you needed to be somethingdifferent.
And I say disembodiedpatriarchy because that's very
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different than the patriarchy.
The patriarchy isn't bad.
It's not a bad thing, same withthe matriarchy.
It's not a bad thing.
We need the masculine, we needour men, we need those poles and
that structure and we need thatfoundation and that holding.
We need the patriarchy, need itand the disembodied, toxic
masculinity and the disembodiedpatriarchy that we collectively,
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being women in the westernworld, have grown up in.
There's this forgetting of whatit means to trust your body and
your intuition, to trust in theprocess that's happening without
needing to have any fuckingclue what is happening.
You know, the other night Iwoke up at four in the morning.
I couldn't go back to sleep.
I prayed to God.
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I was like please don't justhelp me, like I need help, like
I can't go to sleep.
And then, all of a sudden, Ihad this massive emotional purge
and breakthrough and I wasdoing this like weird convulsive
, nonlinear movement andclearing like so much just
subtle, repressed grief from mysystem and I passed out and I
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could finally rest, and it'samazing how your body is
constantly informing you andproviding opportunity and
information for you to alchemizeand heal and transmute the pain
and the shame and therepression and the trauma that
we've been carrying around.
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But, really, truly, how often dowomen actually give themselves
the space?
Because it's, you know it, itdoes create upheaval.
There was another time, acouple weeks ago, I was
facilitating a workshop calledthe Holding Space.
It was with men and women.
The masculine was holding thefeminine in a really platonic,
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loving way.
Because how often do we actuallyallow ourselves to get held and
do it with somebody wherethere's no sexual energy?
Yeah, held and do it withsomebody where there's no sexual
energy.
And you know, that night I camehome and I had this really big
emotional process and purge andrelease and was like no one's
holding me and just like, yeah,like moving through all of this,
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like repressed grief that Ihadn't allowed myself to feel,
and that process was over anhour long.
And so we do have to create thespace, absolutely we have to,
and that's that masculine iseven giving ourselves the space,
providing creating the spacethat allows you to feel.
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But then, once you do, you feelso clear For me.
It's like I'll come out of asession that I might have held
for myself or somebody elsemight have held for me, and I
just like all I can do is sleepand my body is like feel so
loosey, goosey because I like Ijust upheaved so much of that
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stagnant energy from the body,like upheaved so much of that
stagnant energy from the body.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
I love that thing and thank you for sharing all those
personal stories.
I love that you held that.
You're inspiring me now.
I'm like maybe I should do someevent with like the masculine
and the feminine, just becausewe don't.
And that was one of my againlike going through my breathwork
journey, that was one of themost profound moments was when
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you do a one-on-one breathworkjourney with someone and they
are just holding space for youand they're just holding you,
sometimes physically, most ofthe time not even physically,
just emotionally, spiritually,but you just know that they're
there and they're holding spacefor you.
And I did one of my journeyswith now a good friend, but a
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male, and I had the sameexperience.
I was like nobody does this,like this doesn't happen.
It's always with that sexualenergy and oftentimes it's not
even the holding that we're kindof talking about.
Yeah, super interesting, superinteresting.
Yeah, I'm curious if you willshare some tips, some ideas,
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some places to start withbeginning that connection and
building that relationship withyour intuition, because that's
one of the questions I get allthe time is how do I trust my
intuition?
What does that even mean?
How do I build that connectionwith my body?
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Okay, yeah, I love this question.
I'm laughing because it's likeeven those questions are so
masculine, like we need to havethe answers Like we need to have
the reason and the logic forwhat the fuck the intuition is
and exactly how we're going todo it and the steps that we're
going to do it in.
And so I just love like that.
(34:26):
That.
I love it.
I love it.
It's so perfect and what I howI have invited my intuition
online and how I've supported myclients too is something so
simple as like taking your dogfor a walk and asking your body
do you want to go right?
Do you want to go left?
Do you want to go right?
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Do you want to go left?
It's like there's no realscience behind it, and then you
just choose, and then you'd makethe next choice.
And then you make the nextchoice and you actually don't
need to know what the result is.
And so it's really just aboutlike, what is the choice in
front of you, making thatdecision and just continuing to
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like, follow the seeds of liketo like, follow the seeds of
like inspiration and on thatwalk that you might be on with
your dog.
Another way to nurture theintuition and cultivate your
connection to your body is usingyour five senses.
So you know, looking at theflowers that are blooming in
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early spring with awe and wonder, and noticing the subtle shift
in scents in the air that happenbetween one block and the next,
and feeling the cool, you knowfresh air on your skin, I love
to leave my phone behind,because how often are we with
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our heads down, connected online, and so that feels like a
really important piece too isjust setting aside all
distractions, going out intonature, putting your feet on the
earth, letting your body guideyou, just asking.
You can't really fuck up a walkyou know it's like okay, do I
go right.
Or left, like there's no, youjust go right.
Yeah, there's like low, okay,do I go right or left Like
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there's no, you just go right,yeah, there's like low risk
associated with that.
And so, yeah, like justcultivating that inner compass
little by little, and then youcan bring that into your meals,
you can bring that into whereyou want to go at night, the
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people that you want to be, youknow, in association with and
it's oftentimes the firstthought I always remind my
clients like we'll do again,like subconscious work, and the
first thought is the bestthought, like whatever came
through needs to come through,don't overthink it, it doesn't
make sense.
It's okay, it's not supposed tomake sense.
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Just tell me what the firstthing was.
And that is also informing youof your intuition and your inner
compass.
And so, when it comes to foodand like intuitive eating,
that's been a process that I'veexplored myself, typically like
in the winter, the winter, youknow, listen to your body.
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What does she want?
Probably it's like warm foodsin a cup of soup and cooked
vegetables.
Like I don't want an effingsalad in the middle of winter,
like I don't want a caesar saladlike get it away from me, yeah,
yeah, like.
Maybe I'll like eat like asalad, at least like dark, leafy
greens, because it feels likeearthy and nourishing and full
of like nutrient dense.
(37:35):
But, yeah, like starting tojust ask your body.
You know you can place yourhands on your womb and be like,
hey, mama, you know, like, whatdo you need today?
What do you want today?
What feels good for you today,for you today, and just starting
(37:55):
to open up that conversation.
It's really a lot less aboutcertain steps and really just
about cultivating thatrelationship again with your
body, with your womb.
And if we want to get more intolike other tangible tools and
modalities Alternate nostrilbreathing, that's great to open
and activate your third eye.
(38:18):
You can do some work around yourthird eye energy clearing.
The color associated with yourthird eye is violet and so you
can meditate with kind of likethat color, violet circulating
and clearing and opening yourthird eye.
And the seed sound for thethird eye is Aum, so you can
(38:41):
even like chant Aum.
You can put on frequencies thathelp to stimulate your third
eye.
There are certain foods Rappeiwould be a good medicine to open
up your third eye as well, andso there, yeah, there's like
infinite things that I would say.
Those latter ones are a littlebit more advanced than some of
the earlier ones that Imentioned.
(39:02):
Uh, but I mean, I love.
This is like my, my work and mybread and butter, so I teaching
on this.
I'm so glad that you asked.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
Yeah, I'm always.
I'm always curious to hear whatother people's perspective is
and what their answer is.
Because it's just such, it issuch a individual answer.
At the same time there's likeno answer and like there's no
right answer, there's no wronganswer.
It's truly, it's truly for me,it's truly just reconnecting.
(39:34):
I word it as learning thecommunication of your body,
because our body doesn't speakin words, it speaks in
sensations or feelings oremotions or like that intuition,
just kind of like that vibe.
You know that kind of feelingthat you have, or like that
inner knowing.
And I would always say you knowwe could talk feeling that you
have, or like that inner knowing, and I would always say you
know we could talk human designand see what like your strongest
(39:56):
senses, and see how that senseis communicating with you, and
that those are ways that you canbegin.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
Totally and I want to mention too like.
So we have mirror chakras, andyour womb and your third eye are
the mirror chakra.
Your crown and your root aremirror chakras, your throat and
your solar plexus are mirrorchakras and then your heart is
kind of like the center point.
So you know, your intuition isvery much associated with, like,
(40:24):
your womb.
When I talked about a lot ofthose exercises earlier, that
was a lot of like womb based,body based work and then a lot
of that like third eyeactivation.
Your vocal cords are alsophysiologically look very
similar to your womb space andso activating your voice, like
you just said, is a reallyimportant like communication is
(40:48):
also a really important piece ofsupporting and activating your
intuition.
Speaking, your needs speakingyour desires putting voice to
what it is that you want.
And for me, like I'm always inthat dojo and in that edge of
like cultivating a stronger, youmight believe it, you might not
(41:08):
, because I love to talk andhave a lot to say.
You might believe it, you mightnot, because I love to talk and
have a lot to say.
And I have a lot of trauma inmy womb that I'm continuing to
work on and alchemize, as domany women, and my voice feels
like I'm still working on thatconnection of womb to voice and
speaking and communicating mydesires, because it goes back to
(41:29):
early childhood.
But oftentimes, when I hademotion arise, right, that
emotion that lives in the wombspace and I needed, like I
communicated the emotion, likemy, the masculine in my life
couldn't hold it.
He told me to stop crying.
You know why are you feelingthat way?
And so often you know like,little by little, my voice
became smaller and smaller andit's been uh, it's been, yeah,
(41:54):
just such a beautifulopportunity to reactivate and
cultivate that relationshipbetween womb and and throat, and
that's such an important pieceof this work not only knowing
what your intuition is tellingyou, but now acting on speaking
on intuition.
The throat's very masculine innature.
(42:16):
The womb is very, it's veryfeminine in nature, and so it's
like supporting the femininethrough the voice.
Activation Kirtan greatpractice.
I'm going to start going toKirtan next week.
I'm so excited, but that's adevotional practice through the
voice and spoken Sanskrit andsinging Sanskrit, chanting
(42:41):
Sanskrit another great way toactivate the voice and also
activate your intuition throughthis devotional practice of love
.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
Wow, I love that.
You taught me something Ididn't know we had mirror
chakras.
I've never heard that before.
That was really cool.
I like that, and I mean so muchmakes sense, of course, like,
even when we talk about ourhistory of like silencing women
and then all of that like makesso much much sense.
(43:13):
Oh man, all right, so let'slet's do something potentially
interesting.
We didn't plan this out.
It might not be interesting atall, but this is interesting in
my mind.
So I'm going to talk a littlebit about your human design
chart.
I'm just going, since we'retalking so much about the Sacral
Center, I want to talk aboutthe Sacral Center in terms of
(43:35):
human design, not everythingthat I would, you know.
Talk about the Sacral Centerlike, which is with all of my
knowledge, but I'm going to tryto keep it pretty human design
focused.
And then I want to hear yourperspective and anything that
you would add, change, shiftabout this.
So in human design, we all havea sacral center.
(43:58):
It's either going to be definedor undefined.
So defined would be colored in,undefined would be white or not
colored in.
And if you have a definedsacral center, that's what makes
you a generator, or amanifesting generator.
If you are a manifestor,reflector, projector, you are
not, you're not going to have adefined sacral center.
(44:20):
So I love talking about thesacral center, probably because
I also am a sacral authority,but so the sacral center is
actually like our biggest.
We have four motor centers.
It's the biggest, most powerfulmotor center in human design,
so it's like our powerhouse cell.
It's our powerhouse center.
(44:42):
The sacral center is one of ourliteral centers where we gain
energy, so like our physicalenergy centers, where we gain
energy so like our physicalenergy.
So that's kind of where we,when we talk about human design,
we say manifesting generatorsand generators tend to have a
little bit more consistentaccess to their physical energy
(45:05):
because it's coming from thatsacral center.
The sacral center also is ourcenter for pleasure, and one of
the things that I always like tokind of caveat that with is
it's not just sexual pleasure.
I think when we talk aboutpleasure we always think about
like sexual pleasure, but it'snot always that.
(45:27):
And it's our center ofsatisfaction, which is where,
when we're talking again in likeenergy types, your self theme
as a generator is satisfaction,the emotion, the felt sense of
satisfaction.
So our sacral center typicallylike shadow sides of our sacral
(45:48):
center, or when we know thatwe're not living in alignment,
that sacral center will askquestions like okay, do, like I
am, I'm not.
Maybe they'll feel like Ialways have to be doing.
Or, or when, when do I know thatenough is enough or I just have
to push through this?
Because, whatever I said, adeadline or somebody's um
(46:12):
leaning on me or or depending onme, um, it tends to be like
pretty fast.
Like okay, let's go on to thenext thing.
Like what's it tends to?
It can have the shadow side,can have that, what's the word?
Like the masculine energy, butlike just disturbed masculine
(46:34):
energy, like not in alignment ofvery much.
Like let me just pull myself upby my bootstraps and I'll just
do it myself, because nobodyelse is going to do it for me.
Like those are some shadowsides of the sacral center, um,
so that's, that's, that's what Ihave to say about the sacral
center in terms of human design.
(46:55):
But I'm curious what you wouldadd, what you would change, how
that all landed.
Speaker 2 (47:01):
I love it, this is so perfect, it's spot on.
Yeah, oh, my gosh.
Okay.
So absolutely, your sacral asbeing your energy centers, right
?
And so women it's sointeresting, women, when we get
turned on, when we start tobecome engaged sexually, we have
(47:23):
more craving, more desire toenjoy sex.
Yeah, comes from your sacralchakra.
And so when it comes to likewomen's ability to and desire to
(47:44):
be sensual, to be sexual, to becreative, to feel activated,
like the more that you nurturethat energy, the more that
energy will come online Like,the more creative you are when
you're nurturing your creativecenters, the more sexual and
like in pleasure and desire andcravings of connection you'll be
(48:06):
when you're becoming sexualwith somebody.
I know, like last year I wentthrough a period of abstinence
and I was just like nothing,like I didn't want to be like
touched, I didn't want to likeeven think about men.
I was just like so turned off.
I didn't touch myself for likemonths, like my self-pleasure
(48:28):
practice was like so offline.
And then now, you know, I wentoff to freaking Asia for two
months and I come back and likeI get like felt these shifts in
my body, these energetic, subtleshifts in my body, and then all
of a sudden I go out and fourmen ask for my phone number
tonight.
I'm like what's happening, likeshe is online, she is ready,
(48:51):
like she is like, activated, andyou may or may not need to sit
in a 10-day vipassana to do that.
I don't know.
That's the question, um, but Itotally believe, like for women,
it's when your sacral isengaged, when you're nurturing
that creative essence, thatsensual, that sexual pleasure
center, that like, we crave itmore and so that is like this
(49:14):
kind of like self, self umfulfilling.
I I kind of see it as like a dam, like the water stops flowing.
There's like no energy ismoving through that space.
But when there's like energymovement and flow, it's kind of
like this naturalself-sustaining process that
happens.
(49:34):
Men are a little bit different,because when they have an
orgasm, when they ejaculate,they actually lose a lot of
their life force.
And so that's where men and Idon't want to get too deep into
this because I'm not like superknowledgeable myself but that's
when men get to start topractice orgasm without
(49:57):
ejaculation, because they cansustain their energy for long,
for a long time, right, versuslike ejaculation and then their
energy kind of like falls.
Yeah, so it's interesting towork with like the masculine,
the feminine energies in thatspace.
I 100 agree too.
It's like it can be sexual,doesn't need to be sexual
(50:18):
Pleasure.
I find in so many things I'mlike can you feed me?
Like that will make me happy.
Yeah, you can pick me up, likeI will do my pleasure, like
please.
And so there's so manydifferent ways that we can work
with pleasure and, like Imentioned to, women in
(50:40):
particular do have a lot ofsexual trauma and so to like
lovingly work with some of theseenergies and maybe, like your
art, gets to be your creativeoutlet for some of those
repressed emotions and sexualtrauma that you might have had
to heal, your pleasure centers,and there's, yeah, like so many
lenses and kind of angles thatyou can take on that.
(51:03):
I definitely 100% agree aboutthe shadow aspect of the sacral
and overdoing and checkingthings off of the list.
And I was listening to a podcastor not a podcast, an audio book
actually recently about thewomb.
It's like a 10-hour audio bookon the womb and maybe I'm a
little bit in over my head on itbecause I'm like, okay, I've
(51:25):
learned enough, but it's talkingabout the left ovary and the
right ovary and the left side ofthe body reigns the feminine,
the right is the masculine andthe left ovary is really about
like creation and like internalnurturing.
And then the right ovary, eventhough it is obviously like a
female body part, that'sactually about a lot of like
(51:48):
action and doing and likeputting out into the world.
And you know, there may be someimbalance there.
If that shadow side of likeoverachieving, over-efforting,
forcing, trying energy is reallyonline, then there is probably
some balancing and somenurturing towards the masculine
(52:11):
or even like your right ovary,your right side body, to help to
nurture that.
And I know, like last year,which it's all making sense now
because last year I did a lot ofwork around my inner masculine,
a lot of work around like myfather wound, a lot of work
around my trauma and myrelationships to drugs and
(52:33):
alcohol and sex and like clearedit all from my system.
And that was also when I finallyjust cleared all of the trying,
the forcing, the doing, thelike efforting from my system
too, because last year I wasworking and I was holding a lot
(52:53):
and I needed to take amulti-month pause to fill my cup
back up because it was like somuch forcing energy and there
was like this recalibration thathappened through that latter
half of last year which reallyallowed my system, through the
healing of the masculine andthrough the healing of even that
right ovary which I haveexperienced trauma to my right
(53:17):
ovary that I know through a bodywork session that I discovered
through healing and nurturing,that actually kind of unlocked
and released that effort andthat toxic masculine, shadowy
aspect of the sacral from mysystem.
And it's, of course, alwayslike a cycle and processing and
(53:41):
deepening in that.
But yeah, I love it.
Speaker 1 (53:45):
Super interesting.
Yeah, there's so much I thinkthere's so much that we can talk
about with just the sacralcenter.
Speaker 2 (53:54):
This is why I can't study human design.
I'm like I can't go down thathole, like I'm in the earth,
like yeah, yeah.
So I love to turn to it and Ilove learning about it.
Yeah, um, yeah, it's fantasticand it's so aligned.
It's like, yeah, it's all.
It all goes and blends togetheryeah, it really does.
Speaker 1 (54:18):
And you said something very early on in our
conversation and you saidsomething about, like I wanted
to explore the root cause withyour holistic coaching or
holistic health coaching, Like Iwanted, like I was realizing
that I wasn't addressing theroot, and that's really
something that's important to metoo.
And there's so many ways that wecan get to that root cause or
(54:40):
that root problem or that rootwhatever, like the root issue.
I use human design as one ofthose tools, I use somatic
breath work as one of thosetools and cycle work, but
there's so many differentavenues that we can find and
explore and then you find whatworks for you.
And that's one of the reasons Ihave this podcast is because I
(55:02):
realized that my tools are notthe only tools and they're not
the quote right tools.
They may be the right tools forsomeone, but women's work or
shadow work or, you know,embodying more feminine energy
or really exploring the feminineand exploring the masculine
embodiment work.
(55:23):
I mean there's so many things.
There's so many ways that wecan walk this journey of life
and healing and embodiment andreally coming home you said that
too coming home to our bodiesand coming home to ourselves.
I think that's that's our,that's my life mission, that's
(55:44):
that's like.
One of the biggest journeysthat we can take in this
lifetime is rediscoveringourselves, rediscovering our
power and coming home to ourbodies.
Speaker 2 (55:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (55:55):
Amazing.
Speaker 2 (55:56):
I love it and that's what it's all about.
It's like we're sharing thesame mission, right?
It's like leading people backhome to the truth of who they
are, and we just have differentmedicines and different
vibrations that get to supporteach other, and they're both
beautiful and perfect in theirwildly imperfect ways, and
(56:20):
perfect in their wildlyimperfect ways.
Speaker 1 (56:23):
I love it.
So thank you.
That was the human design piece, so I'm not going to pull more,
and I know that we're kind ofgetting towards time.
So last question is if you werestanding on a stage and you had
one minute to share a message,what would that message be?
Speaker 2 (56:38):
Oh my gosh.
Hmm, what would that message be?
(57:07):
Oh my gosh, I think it'sactually a lot easier than
people have made made this lifeout to be, and when you follow
your intuition and say yes toyour life path, it gets to be
fulfilling and nourishing andyou get to have fun along the
way.
And if things are feelingdifficult, if you're feeling
like you're forcing, you'reprobably doing the wrong thing.
You can't do the wrong thing,but you're probably doing the
wrong thing.
You can't do the wrong thing,but you're probably doing the
wrong thing.
And yeah, you, you get to havefun.
And yeah, yeah, you don't likejust trust, trust in life and
(57:39):
everything's working out.
Speaker 1 (57:42):
Yeah, I love that.
Thank you so, as people want toconnect with you, where can
they find you?
Where do you hang out?
Speaker 2 (57:52):
oh my gosh, instagram is.
It's a fine place to connectwith me definitely send me a
message.
It's I am Kat Tovar, with twot's k-a-t-t-o-v-a-r.
Um, it's been interesting.
I've been like weaving andnavigating how I'm connecting
(58:13):
and showing up in that space.
Even now, um, I've got aretreat coming up in at the end
of april.
I'm super excited about it's.
In guatemala.
Um, yeah, the, the feminine,untamed retreat, seven days.
It's gonna be incredible.
We're gonna be doing sweatlodge, ecstatic dance, we're
(58:36):
gonna be drinking cacao, singingkirtan, we're going to be
hiking at sunrise.
And then I have my women'sgroup that I'm enrolling in the
temple of the jaguar and thatretreat is actually included in
the enrollment.
So three places to connect, andinstagram is a great place to
(58:57):
send a message.
If you're, if anything camethrough, I love hearing from you
guys.
It's like such a, such a, sucha treat to know like, oh, my god
, the stalker, what did you meanwhen you said this?
You know like that feels reallygood to to connect.
Um, and thank you, hannah, somuch.
This has been so much fun.
I love the opportunity to behere and, yeah, just excited to
(59:24):
share with your community.
Speaker 1 (59:26):
Thank you.
Thank you for coming.
This has been so fun.
Speaker 2 (59:29):
Yes my pleasure.
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