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Hello, I'm Henry Emmons,and welcome to Joy Lab.
and I'm Aimee Prasek.
So today we are diving intoour element of savoring.
That's what we're working on this monthhere at the podcast and the program.
So savoring is that importantpractice of giving our attention to,
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amplifying, and soaking in what is good.
And we wanted to talk about how wecan practice more savoring amidst
a common experience that happensin late January and early February,
speaking from personal experience,which is essentially we get defeated
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by the resolutions we've set.
So if you can relate, pleasedo not be so hard on yourself.
The majority of us, atleast 50 percent of folks
I can't believe it's not higher.
it is definitely higher.
The other 49 percent lied andthen there's 1 percent who
did everything that they said.
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The research is lacking, sowe can assume it's way higher.
So, it's so common.
This is not a rare thing.
Give yourself some grace.
and I, but I do think it's important tonote why it may be the case that we miss
those resolutions we set, those goals.
And most often it's because we've setunrealistic and overly rigid goals,
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very common, and because we don't havea connection to the goals we've set.
So we don't have a clear why,that we can savor along the way,
and that can support us when theobstacles come up, because they will.
I like that way ofthinking about savoring.
That's, that's awesome.
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It's a way different way of,helping to use that to propel us.
Let's plan to savor.
Yes, yes.
But when you mentioned how we getdefeated by the resolutions we've set,
I could not help but think of thispoem by Rilke that I often refer to.
Let's see if I can get it right,winning doesn't tempt that man, this
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is how he grows, by being defeateddecisively by constantly greater foes.
So winning doesn't tempt that man,winning doesn't tempt that woman, this
is how he or she grows, by being defeateddecisively by constantly greater foes.
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I just love that reminder tome to not make too big of a
deal about winning or losing.
About being right versus, being wrong.
Not to let it be about the resolutionsthemselves, in other words, or to
get too down on ourselves for notmeasuring up, being defeated by them.
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Because that's not the point.
According to the poem,the point is to grow.
So, if we're being defeated decisivelyby our resolutions, maybe the
way to grow is by stepping backand doing something different.
Maybe we're not facing the right foes.
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Or the standards that we'veset for ourselves aren't
the best way to motivate us.
Maybe we're not thinking big enoughand we need something greater in
order to get our juices flowing.
Or maybe we just need something that wecan actually savor, that makes us feel
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good, get pleasure, enjoy, you know, sortof really get the full experience of it.
Yeah, resolutions that we can savor.
It's like, oh, they don'thave to all be terrible.
But, I think the point as well thatyou're saying here, Henry, instead of
beating ourselves up and just soakingin the failure or brushing it off as
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yet another example of our inabilityto follow through with something, the
real message is that we can step back.
We can do something different.
Try another path.
Because the point isn't perfection.
We talk about that a lot here.
It's more about moving a bitmore northward than before.
Mm hmm.
Let's remember that.
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So the strategy we'll get intotoday is best described by something
called the overview effect.
Also the big picture effect,
it's known as, we'll use overview effect.
This is a term coined by authorand philosopher Frank White.
I think he considers himself a spacephilosopher, which I think is very cool.
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Hmm.
I know.
That's a niche, a niche practice.
It
was
an open market for
Frank to really put his face in.
It links up to
our, our element this month ofsavoring this overview effect, but
also inspiration and awe, whichare two of our other Elements.
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So this is, this is atrifecta, I would say.
So I want to set the stagehere to describe this effect.
Back in 1968, Apollo 8 went to the moon.
And it got there, it didn't land, but itgot there and it circled about 10 times.
Now, of course, the point of thatjourney was to get to the moon.
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That was the singular goal, really.
But after that journey, one of theastronauts had a different idea about
what the real purpose may have been.
So, after getting to the moon, again,with that total focus on that end
point, the astronaut realized it wasactually when he looked back, looking
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at the earth from that vantage ofspace, that that may have been the most
important reason to go to the moon.
To see the Earth from a new perspective.
And not just see it, but savorin it, to take it all in.
So, space philosopher, Frank White, loveit, had interviewed all these astronauts
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beyond just Apollo 8 folks and found thesame theme that when these astronauts go
into space, and as they kind of sit inthis dark landscape around them, we can
kind of all imagine this in our head.
They see the earth bright againstthis dark landscape, this dark
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background, and then they seeearth, this one little planet in
the midst of so much more around it.
And in that moment of savoring, theyhave this overwhelming feeling of awe.
This understanding that we areall connected and each of us
part of something much bigger.
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And it stirs up a lot of inspirationas well for these astronauts.
Here's a quote from one ofthem, Mohammed Ahmad Farris.
He said, "from space I saw earth,indescribably beautiful, with the
scars of national boundaries gone."
love that.
The scars of national boundaries.
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Wow.
So I think importantly, you don'thave to be an astronaut to have this
experience, to step back, this kindof effect, this shift in, in being
really where you feel deeply connectedand you tap into a more full sense
of meaning and purpose in your life.
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And here, like, just to bring thespaceship back to Earth, as we're talking
about the overview effect for our monthof savoring, we're looking into how
we can tap into this effect in such away that just doesn't feel good, which
is good though, but it also fuels usto take care of ourselves better and
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in a way that nurtures our inner life.
So, whether you're orbiting theearth or sitting in your bedroom,
the idea really is the same.
We can get a bigger perspective.
We can zoom out.
We can zoom out from the messydetails that might be snagging us
or keeping our perspective kind ofsmall and stuck in what's going wrong.
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We can zoom out with theintention of seeing more.
And we can open up to savor more andstep into our powers so we can make
better choices and set meaningfulgoals that can help us grow.
So Henry, why don't youtake a swing at this?
How can we do that?
How can we zoom out and set goals thatwe can really savor, that we really
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align with and that we can achieve?
All right.
Well, let me try this by playingwith kind of a common, maybe a little
mundane example of a resolution.
Okay.
So, let's just say the resolution islosing five pounds, not 10 pounds.
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Five pounds just feels more realistic.
Most of us would see this as doable.
And many people apparently believethat this is something worth doing.
At least enough worth itenough to set that is a goal.
So I want to try to dotwo things at once here.
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I want to try to talk about how to usethe power of our observing self to,
to work with this and zoom out and useit, you know, get a better overview.
So the observing self, and thenI want to practice this concept
you're talking about, Aimee, thezooming out in order to get a bigger
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perspective.
So a reminder that the, what we callthe observing self, is our built in
capacity to see what's happening insideof us, especially without getting caught
up by our emotions or our judgments.
So we're just seeingwhat is purely observing.
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You might say that this is what actuallygives us the power, the ability to
zoom out in the first place and getthis perspective on our inner life.
It's, this is this built in capacity orsuperpower to, to be able to do this.
So here's a, I'll just give youa really simple way to experience
what we mean by the observing self.
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Just take a moment right now.
Unless you're driving, well, youcan do this, I guess, while you're
driving, you can keep your, justkeep your eyes open, all you
need to do is take, yeah, if, yeah, goodpoint, take a moment just to tune into
your breath, that's all you need to do,just a part of your mind, not all of it,
but just part of your mind that's justaware of the fact that you're breathing,
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no big deal, nothing fancy here.
All you need to do is notice thein and the out, of your breath.
Do it for two or three breathsand you get a sense for it.
You are using yourobserving self to do that.
Now, let's say then that you seta goal of losing five pounds.
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So, just hold that thought in your mindfor a moment and with your observing
self, ask, "what am I feeling right now?"
Just tune into your chest and your belly
and see if you notice anything.
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For me, it's kind of, meh, you know,that's not going to get me very far.
I can tell you that's not goingto get me to lose five pounds.
So it is time for me to zoom out.
So you can do that very simply justby asking yourself a question such
as, why is it important to lose fivepounds, what would it do for me?
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So I might say, well, maybe I'dlook a little better if I lost
just a little of that belly fat.
So, I can check in with what I'mfeeling right now by this observing
of what's going on in the middle partof my body when I hold that question.
It's still, meh, for me.
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Nothing much.
Not good nor bad, really.
So, zoom out a little further.
I might ask myself, well,why would I do that?
What does it matter ifI look a little better?
I'm actually not so sure about that.
For me, I don't know thatit matters that much.
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Well, maybe people would likeme more, I might say to myself.
And when I check in on that, that makesme just feel a little bad, you know.
What?
Don't people like me now,or am I not okay as I am?
That's not the right path for me, clearly.
That feels more like negativemotivation, which I have found over
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many tries, that does not work.
It's just not going to do it for me.
By the way, so far, none of those thingsget at any aspect of savoring or pleasure
or how is this really you know, going toenhance not what I think about me and my
life, but my actual experience of my life.
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So now I'm going to takea couple of steps back.
If I'm going to keep this asa goal, I decided I clearly
need a better reason to do it.
So what about health or longevity?
I mean, there's plenty of evidencethat, you know, our abdominal
fat is not good for our, ouroverall health and well being.
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Or even how I feel day to day.
So if I made some changes and cut backon some of the heavier foods I eat,
you know, I might actually have theexperience of more energy, feeling
lighter, and that might do it for me.
That might be enough for me.
If I'm able to notice that feeling andhave the capacity to get pleasure from
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it, savor it, just know, feel betterand know that I'm feeling better.
And use that as motivation.
So for me personally, I have entertainedthis particular resolution several times,
and it has just never caught on for me.
And so when I zoom out like this, I kindof realize I personally need something
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bigger, something juicier, somethingthat actually inspires me, which is
not necessarily the same kind of thingas it would have been at another time
in my life, 10, 20, 30 years ago.
It changes over time.
So it's back to the drawingboard for me, Aimee.
I'm going to take this overview thingto heart though, and ask a bigger
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question of myself and, and then reallytry to apply not so much my objective,
logical, thinking mind to it, but moreof my physical sense that's capable
sensory experience and pleasure andenjoyment and some of the elements
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that we consider to be savoring.
Yeah, I think that has tomake its way in the equation.
I love, thank you for that example,because I think also what you demonstrated
is that as we zoom out, we're able tostep back from what really are just
so often messages that we're bombardedwith, especially when it has to do
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with weight loss or things like that.
You know, just these messages,these self defeating, unnecessary,
unhelpful, often ineffective messagesthat, that just don't make a lot of
sense for any of us, quite honestly.
And that don't steer us towardmotivation and savoring in any good way.
It just makes goal setting andachieving nearly impossible.
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I think zooming out is, isreally powerful practice.
We can really then tapinto, why am I doing this?
Why is this somethingthat's important to me?
Because that really matters.
And as you said then as well, howcan I savor this along the way?
That'll continue to reinforcethe fuel for motivation.
I love this quote fromastronomer Fred Hoyle.
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He said, "Once a photograph of theearth taken from outside is available,
a new idea as powerful as any inhistory will be let loose." I think
we can do that in our own lives.
We can step back into that observingself, as you noted, and see and savor
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something profound that we are a part of.
And it can not just help us set ourgoals, but it can ignite a new idea,
a new way of caring for ourselves moredeeply, and caring for others as well.
And those ideas and those actions, thosekind actions are as powerful as any other
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in history, just like Fred Hoyle said.
Let's let those influence ourgoals and our resolutions.
So in the next episode, we'll actuallyhave a zooming out practice for you to do.
You'll play astronaut for a bit, and Iguarantee you, it'll be worth the trip.
But I do want to, before we go, I wantto send you all off with another quote.
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This one's from Sally Ride,astronaut and physicist.
She was also the first U. S. woman inspace, and when she looked out into space,
she famously said, "The stars don't lookbigger, but they do look brighter." And
for me, when I kind of sit with that,it's a reminder not to just incessantly
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sort of chase these goals that we thinkare bigger, but to shift perspectives
so that we can see and savor what'sbrighter, because that really matters.
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