May 14, 2025 • 18 mins
You are capable of radical change. If you aren't convinced that you can create change in your life, take Aimee's story about how her hen became a rooster (seriously, just listen in and it'll make sense). Beyond that chicken talk, this episode is focused on our human potential for change and healing. We'll touch on neuroplasticity, epigenetics, and the motivational role of hope. We think you'll come away with a better understanding of how you're wired for change and can intentionally steer it towards greater wellbeing.
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Sources and Notes:
- Joy Lab Program: Take the next leap in your wellbeing journey with step-by-step practices to help you build and maintain the elements of joy in your life.
- Emotional Inertia: Feeling Dull & Disconnected [Joy Lab ep. 207]
- Zhang, X., et al. (2023). Overview of Avian Sex Reversal. International journal of molecular sciences, 24(9), 8284. https://doi.org/10.3390/ijms24098284
- Bian, Z., et al. (2024). Genetic predisposition, modifiable lifestyles, and their joint effects on human lifespan: evidence from multiple cohort studies. BMJ evidence-based medicine, 29(4), 255–263. https://doi.org/10.1136/bmjebm-2023-112583
- Weger, U. W., & Loughnan, S. (2013). Mobilizing unused resources: using the placebo concept to enhance cognitive performance. Quarterly journal of experimental psychology (2006), 66(1), 23–28. https://doi.org/10.1080/17470218.2012.751117
- Head to YouTube to see Haley's new spurs (16:28)
- Closing poem excerpt: Emily Dickinson, "Hope is the Thing With Feathers."
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(00:00):
Welcome to the Joy Lab podcast,where we help you uncover and
(00:03):
foster your most joyful self.
Your hosts, Dr. Henry Emmons and Dr.Aimee Prasek, bring you the ideal mix of
soulful and scientifically sound tools tospark your joy, even when it feels dark.
When you're ready to experiment withmore joy, combine this podcast with the
full Joy Lab program over at JoyLab.coach
(00:27):
Hello, I am Henry Emmonsand welcome back to Joy Lab.
And I am Aimee Prasek.
Today we are talkingabout our element of hope.
And I'm gonna start us offwith kind of a crazy story.
Hang with me folks.
We'll see if I can tie it tohope, which I, it is in my
(00:47):
head completely tied to hope.
All right, so as many of you might know,my husband and I have nine children.
We have one human.
We have two dogs and we have sixtiny raptors as we like to call them.
Those are our chickens.
Raptors.
I know We love our little raptors.
(01:08):
So it was summertime and we wereawakened to a rooster crowing.
Now female chickens donot crow, just males.
So we thought, "Oh man, someone'sgonna get their bird taken away."
'Cause our city doesn't allowbackyard roosters for good reason.
And there's like three other familiesaround us that have, raptors as well.
(01:29):
So chickens.
So the next morning we heard it again, butthis time our window was open and it was
loud, like coming from our backyard loud.
And we had just gotten four new chicksabout five months prior and thought,
(01:50):
"oh, no one must be a rooster." And wedidn't realize it, which can happen.
They don't show all their sortof like rooster characteristics
until some months old.
Anyway, we knew we had tofigure out who the rooster was.
Was it bluey?
Fluffy, puffy, Bruno, or Barrette,and you'd guess Bruno based on
(02:12):
the name, but these are the namesyou get when your 4-year-old is
in charge of naming the chickens.
And there's a Disney movie that'shot at the time Encanto, Bruno.
Anyway, we, we planned it out.
We were gonna get up early and peer outof the windows to catch the rooster.
We knew it wasn't Hailey or Mina,our other two ladies, because
(02:36):
they were five years old at thetime, old gals in retirement.
So there we were waiting as thechickens are out early in the
morning, were just waiting withbated breath to see who crows.
And then we hear it, the crowing.
We look to each of the new chickensand they're just pecking around.
(02:59):
And then we look to Hailey.
Our 5-year-old female chickenis standing on a log crowing.
We were stunned.
It's not a thing.
Hens do not crow.
So we went out there and wealso noticed the bumps we saw
growing on the back of her legs.
(03:19):
We just thought were like old agebumps or something, were not bumps.
They were spurs.
So spurs are these like bones ortalon kind of things that grow on
the back of a rooster's leg so thatroosters can attack, protect the hens.
And she had been growing theseover the last six weeks or so,
(03:42):
and they had grown bigger since.
So our five-year-old female chickenwas becoming a male chicken or a
phenotypical male chicken, you know,developing these male characteristics.
First, I'd like to say that Hailey hasstopped crowing and is still with us.
We did not have to,pass her off to a farm.
(04:04):
She's as feisty andfantastic as you can imagine.
But now, okay, so this may seem like atopic completely outside of mental health.
Well.
There's a lot of threads here, but theone I'm gonna pull right now, when this
happened, after I did some research tofigure out what the heck was going on,
(04:27):
the thing that really rang true forme was how capable, how wired we are
to create big changes in our lives.
And it was mainly after I read,this passage from an article
on avian sex reversal, which iswhat what Hailey experienced.
Here's what it said.
"When there is a no rooster in a chickenflock, a hen may experience sex reversal
(04:53):
to maintain the reproduction of thepopulation." Think about that in response
to a community need, the flock, in thiscase, a chicken can change its sex.
So things that we think are fixed,concrete, certain, even biological
sex in this case, can be changedto support the wellbeing of the
(05:16):
individual and the community.
That's my thread.
So to me, right to me, in times whenwe may feel helpless, overwhelmed,
defeated, this is a science.
This is the kind of message Iwanna hold front and center.
Even if you feel like changeis impossible, there is an
(05:38):
immense space for change.
We are wired for it, fortransformation, for healing.
Wow.
Isn't that wild?
I did not see
that coming,
I'm setting you up fora really weird episode
that that is an unforgettable imageabout how adaptable nature is.
(05:59):
Yes.
Amazing.
And we are part of nature, of course.
That's right.
That's right.
And we are incredibly adaptable.
I love it.
I love this topic of radical change.
Yeah.
And I like that it comes sosoon after we talked about
emotional inertia and homeostasis.
Yes.
Because those concepts focus on reallyon how we tend to resist change, even
(06:25):
if change might be for the better.
Right.
Once a system is stable,it tends to stay as it is.
But this stories suggests that whenthere is a real need for things
to change, it's not only possible,but it can be in a really big way.
(06:46):
Yeah.
So I, I, like to put this conversationin the context of neuroplasticity.
It helps me to remember that ourbrains are changing all the time.
All the time.
Whether we know it or not, our brains arein a constant state of transformation.
(07:10):
Yeah.
That's not a question.
The question is, to me at least, whatdirection is this transformation going?
And what, if anything, can we doto influence it toward greater
health and wellbeing and, and joy?
So I also take heart inthe science of epigenetics.
(07:35):
You know, we tend to think of ourgenes as being immutable, unchanging,
and that they have the last wordwhen it comes to our bodies, or even
the illnesses that we are prone to.
And of course the research says thatour genes do have a big influence.
But remember, when it comes tomental health, at most genetics
(07:59):
accounts for about 50% of why somepeople get sick and others don't.
So, epigenetics is a way of understandingthat our DNA is not the only game in town.
There are other mechanisms that arelayered on top of the DNA and they have a
lot to say about whether the informationin our genes becomes manifest or not.
(08:28):
And more so even if an illnessis activated and let's say even
something as as strongly genetic asbipolar illness or certain forms of
depression, strong genetic influences,even if that illness is present,
those genes have been activated.
(08:49):
It is possible to turnthose genes off again.
Yes.
We have so much power to create change.
There's this recent study thatanalyzed data from a bunch of
cohorts over multiple time periods.
I think it, it emphasizes whatyou're saying here, Henry, there
were over 350,000 participantsover 13 years, and the researchers
(09:15):
were looking at how genetic andlifestyle factors influenced lifespan.
And broadly they found that healthylifestyle factors were more impactful
to lifespan-- nearly four times moreimpactful, actually-- than genetic
predisposition to a short lifespan.
(09:37):
amazing.
So healthy diet, physical activity,adequate sleep, not smoking.
Those were like four of the big factors.
those powerful lifestylefactors that could help
nearly turn off thatgenetic predisposition.
So I think what we're saying here is thatwe are wired for change, hope for change.
(10:02):
And the way this relates,to hope is, is important.
Here's kind of a dry buthelpful definition of hope.
"Hope is a motivational factorthat helps initiate and sustain
action toward long-term goals,including flexible management of
obstacles that get in the way of goalattainment." So there are the facts.
(10:28):
We can change.
Healthy changes will benefit us, andhope can help us make those changes.
It is a motivational force, andI think it's even more than that.
I wanna highlight one morestudy that I really love to
hopefully drive this point home.
This is research from doctors, UlrichWeger and Stephen Loughnan, I think
(10:50):
I'll, I'll put it in the show notes.
So they had two groups of folks whowere told they would be answering
questions that were on a screen,one by one, question after question.
One group was told that before eachquestion would appear, the answer would
be flashed on the screen super quick,like too quick to actually consciously
(11:15):
recognize the answer, but slow enoughso that they could unconsciously get it.
The other group was told that theflashes on the screen just signaled the
next question were come, was coming.
Now here's the really important point.
Both groups received the sameexact flashes, which were just
random strings of letters.
(11:37):
They were not answers.
Neither group got the answer.
But the group that was told they got theanswer, they did significantly better.
They answered more questionsright compared to the other group.
So that group who was told theywere getting the answers, you
(11:57):
could say they got a boost of hope.
They had some extra hope andexpectation that they could do this.
That they could get those answers right.
I don't see that as any different asexpecting that we have the ability
to do something, to create change.
And when we have that belief, it givesus the intention and it adds fuel,
(12:21):
motivation to help us create change.
That's a belief anchored by hope.
Wow.
Isn't that cool?
I love it.
It also reminds me howtricky researchers can be,
I love it.
Love it when they do those trickingstudies, they have confederates in the
room who are telling you different stuff.
Yes.
(12:41):
But isn't that something?
Expecting to know the answers helpsyou to actually know the answers.
Yep.
You know, expecting to move in a directionof greater wellbeing, maybe we are more
likely to create greater wellbeing.
So I think, one lesson to takefrom this is that we, we can be
(13:05):
intentional, purposeful about howwe work with the forces of change.
And I think we also want to be patientbecause in order for that change
to be lasting, it can take a while.
Yeah.
So, this is, this kind of goes back tothat conversation of homeostasis and how
(13:29):
hard it is to change something even forthe better that it, you know, organisms
in our physiology resist that change.
So we have to, we have to be persistent.
That's kind of my point.
So here, this is just a very approximateway to measure this that I wanna, I just
wanna share something I've observed overthe years, and that is that when someone
(13:54):
goes on a new medication, for example,as a treatment for some condition,
like just standard antidepressants.
I think that it takes roughly sixmonths for the brain to have really
adapted to that medication and itseffects on physiology and to create
(14:15):
a new normal, roughly six months.
And, you know, in the literature andthe protocols for treating something
like depression, they always say stayon the medication for six months.
And I think there's a, something tothat length of time that it takes
that long to have adapted and tohave that change be the new normal.
(14:36):
Okay.
Likewise, when it's time to come offa medication, even sometimes people
have trouble doing that because it isa change, and I believe that it takes,
again, roughly six, or let's say sixto nine months for the brain to have
adapted to being off the medication andthen kind of being left with another
(14:58):
new normal that's medication free.
So, at least in my mind, I find thatto be a good timeframe to work with.
And I think it's, it's somethingthat helps me to recognize
that I am not the same personexactly as I was six months ago.
And to ask myself, you know,this question, who will
(15:20):
I be six months from now?
Now of course, I look more or less thesame and probably think and act more
or less the same, but not entirely.
So I can't say this for sure, butI believe that I can influence this
process, I think I do that throughthe choices that I am making.
(15:44):
Right now, today and tomorrow andthe next day, these thousand little
choices through which I am creatingthe brain that I am going to have and
the life
I am going to have six months andfurther down the road, the, the
future me is being created right now.
(16:04):
Yes.
We kind of hit on thisa couple episodes ago.
Brick by brick, we'rebuilding our lives day by day.
That is our life.
If Hailey would've looked in themirror six months before getting her
Spurs, would she have thought I'mgonna be a rooster in six months?
No, she could have never predicted that.
(16:24):
It took some time.
They look great now on her.
I'll put a picture in the show notesto show off my fantastical chicken.
Give ourselves that time tochange too, like you're saying.
Yeah, we can create little and radicalchanges in our lives day by day,
(16:46):
minute by minute, hour by hour, and ofcourse, actually making those changes.
Believing we can makethose changes can be hard.
So we'll tackle some of those obstaclesin the next several episodes for
our element of hope this month.
We'll raise some of those obstacles up.
We'll talk about how we can overcome them.
(17:07):
To close our time today, I have to sharesome lines from Emily Dickinson's poem
called Hope is the Thing With Feathers.
Here are the first few lines (17:16):
"Hope is the thing with feathers that perches
in the soul and sings the tune withoutthe words and never stops at all."
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(17:38):
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and educational purposes only.
It is not intended to provide medicaladvice and is not a replacement for advice
and treatment from a medical professional.
Please consult your doctor orother qualified health professional
(18:00):
before beginning any diet change,supplement, or lifestyle program.
Please see our terms for more information.
Welcome to the Joy Lab podcast,where we help you uncover and
(00:03):
foster your most joyful self.
Your hosts, Dr. Henry Emmons and Dr.Aimee Prasek, bring you the ideal mix of
soulful and scientifically sound tools tospark your joy, even when it feels dark.
When you're ready to experiment withmore joy, combine this podcast with the
full Joy Lab program over at JoyLab.coach
(00:27):
Hello, I am Henry Emmonsand welcome back to Joy Lab.
And I am Aimee Prasek.
Today we are talkingabout our element of hope.
And I'm gonna start us offwith kind of a crazy story.
Hang with me folks.
We'll see if I can tie it tohope, which I, it is in my
(00:47):
head completely tied to hope.
All right, so as many of you might know,my husband and I have nine children.
We have one human.
We have two dogs and we have sixtiny raptors as we like to call them.
Those are our chickens.
Raptors.
I know We love our little raptors.
(01:08):
So it was summertime and we wereawakened to a rooster crowing.
Now female chickens donot crow, just males.
So we thought, "Oh man, someone'sgonna get their bird taken away."
'Cause our city doesn't allowbackyard roosters for good reason.
And there's like three other familiesaround us that have, raptors as well.
(01:29):
So chickens.
So the next morning we heard it again, butthis time our window was open and it was
loud, like coming from our backyard loud.
And we had just gotten four new chicksabout five months prior and thought,
(01:50):
"oh, no one must be a rooster." And wedidn't realize it, which can happen.
They don't show all their sortof like rooster characteristics
until some months old.
Anyway, we knew we had tofigure out who the rooster was.
Was it bluey?
Fluffy, puffy, Bruno, or Barrette,and you'd guess Bruno based on
(02:12):
the name, but these are the namesyou get when your 4-year-old is
in charge of naming the chickens.
And there's a Disney movie that'shot at the time Encanto, Bruno.
Anyway, we, we planned it out.
We were gonna get up early and peer outof the windows to catch the rooster.
We knew it wasn't Hailey or Mina,our other two ladies, because
(02:36):
they were five years old at thetime, old gals in retirement.
So there we were waiting as thechickens are out early in the
morning, were just waiting withbated breath to see who crows.
And then we hear it, the crowing.
We look to each of the new chickensand they're just pecking around.
(02:59):
And then we look to Hailey.
Our 5-year-old female chickenis standing on a log crowing.
We were stunned.
It's not a thing.
Hens do not crow.
So we went out there and wealso noticed the bumps we saw
growing on the back of her legs.
(03:19):
We just thought were like old agebumps or something, were not bumps.
They were spurs.
So spurs are these like bones ortalon kind of things that grow on
the back of a rooster's leg so thatroosters can attack, protect the hens.
And she had been growing theseover the last six weeks or so,
(03:42):
and they had grown bigger since.
So our five-year-old female chickenwas becoming a male chicken or a
phenotypical male chicken, you know,developing these male characteristics.
First, I'd like to say that Hailey hasstopped crowing and is still with us.
We did not have to,pass her off to a farm.
(04:04):
She's as feisty andfantastic as you can imagine.
But now, okay, so this may seem like atopic completely outside of mental health.
Well.
There's a lot of threads here, but theone I'm gonna pull right now, when this
happened, after I did some research tofigure out what the heck was going on,
(04:27):
the thing that really rang true forme was how capable, how wired we are
to create big changes in our lives.
And it was mainly after I read,this passage from an article
on avian sex reversal, which iswhat what Hailey experienced.
Here's what it said.
"When there is a no rooster in a chickenflock, a hen may experience sex reversal
(04:53):
to maintain the reproduction of thepopulation." Think about that in response
to a community need, the flock, in thiscase, a chicken can change its sex.
So things that we think are fixed,concrete, certain, even biological
sex in this case, can be changedto support the wellbeing of the
(05:16):
individual and the community.
That's my thread.
So to me, right to me, in times whenwe may feel helpless, overwhelmed,
defeated, this is a science.
This is the kind of message Iwanna hold front and center.
Even if you feel like changeis impossible, there is an
(05:38):
immense space for change.
We are wired for it, fortransformation, for healing.
Wow.
Isn't that wild?
I did not see
that coming,
I'm setting you up fora really weird episode
that that is an unforgettable imageabout how adaptable nature is.
(05:59):
Yes.
Amazing.
And we are part of nature, of course.
That's right.
That's right.
And we are incredibly adaptable.
I love it.
I love this topic of radical change.
Yeah.
And I like that it comes sosoon after we talked about
emotional inertia and homeostasis.
Yes.
Because those concepts focus on reallyon how we tend to resist change, even
(06:25):
if change might be for the better.
Right.
Once a system is stable,it tends to stay as it is.
But this stories suggests that whenthere is a real need for things
to change, it's not only possible,but it can be in a really big way.
(06:46):
Yeah.
So I, I, like to put this conversationin the context of neuroplasticity.
It helps me to remember that ourbrains are changing all the time.
All the time.
Whether we know it or not, our brains arein a constant state of transformation.
(07:10):
Yeah.
That's not a question.
The question is, to me at least, whatdirection is this transformation going?
And what, if anything, can we doto influence it toward greater
health and wellbeing and, and joy?
So I also take heart inthe science of epigenetics.
(07:35):
You know, we tend to think of ourgenes as being immutable, unchanging,
and that they have the last wordwhen it comes to our bodies, or even
the illnesses that we are prone to.
And of course the research says thatour genes do have a big influence.
But remember, when it comes tomental health, at most genetics
(07:59):
accounts for about 50% of why somepeople get sick and others don't.
So, epigenetics is a way of understandingthat our DNA is not the only game in town.
There are other mechanisms that arelayered on top of the DNA and they have a
lot to say about whether the informationin our genes becomes manifest or not.
(08:28):
And more so even if an illnessis activated and let's say even
something as as strongly genetic asbipolar illness or certain forms of
depression, strong genetic influences,even if that illness is present,
those genes have been activated.
(08:49):
It is possible to turnthose genes off again.
Yes.
We have so much power to create change.
There's this recent study thatanalyzed data from a bunch of
cohorts over multiple time periods.
I think it, it emphasizes whatyou're saying here, Henry, there
were over 350,000 participantsover 13 years, and the researchers
(09:15):
were looking at how genetic andlifestyle factors influenced lifespan.
And broadly they found that healthylifestyle factors were more impactful
to lifespan-- nearly four times moreimpactful, actually-- than genetic
predisposition to a short lifespan.
(09:37):
amazing.
So healthy diet, physical activity,adequate sleep, not smoking.
Those were like four of the big factors.
those powerful lifestylefactors that could help
nearly turn off thatgenetic predisposition.
So I think what we're saying here is thatwe are wired for change, hope for change.
(10:02):
And the way this relates,to hope is, is important.
Here's kind of a dry buthelpful definition of hope.
"Hope is a motivational factorthat helps initiate and sustain
action toward long-term goals,including flexible management of
obstacles that get in the way of goalattainment." So there are the facts.
(10:28):
We can change.
Healthy changes will benefit us, andhope can help us make those changes.
It is a motivational force, andI think it's even more than that.
I wanna highlight one morestudy that I really love to
hopefully drive this point home.
This is research from doctors, UlrichWeger and Stephen Loughnan, I think
(10:50):
I'll, I'll put it in the show notes.
So they had two groups of folks whowere told they would be answering
questions that were on a screen,one by one, question after question.
One group was told that before eachquestion would appear, the answer would
be flashed on the screen super quick,like too quick to actually consciously
(11:15):
recognize the answer, but slow enoughso that they could unconsciously get it.
The other group was told that theflashes on the screen just signaled the
next question were come, was coming.
Now here's the really important point.
Both groups received the sameexact flashes, which were just
random strings of letters.
(11:37):
They were not answers.
Neither group got the answer.
But the group that was told they got theanswer, they did significantly better.
They answered more questionsright compared to the other group.
So that group who was told theywere getting the answers, you
(11:57):
could say they got a boost of hope.
They had some extra hope andexpectation that they could do this.
That they could get those answers right.
I don't see that as any different asexpecting that we have the ability
to do something, to create change.
And when we have that belief, it givesus the intention and it adds fuel,
(12:21):
motivation to help us create change.
That's a belief anchored by hope.
Wow.
Isn't that cool?
I love it.
It also reminds me howtricky researchers can be,
I love it.
Love it when they do those trickingstudies, they have confederates in the
room who are telling you different stuff.
Yes.
(12:41):
But isn't that something?
Expecting to know the answers helpsyou to actually know the answers.
Yep.
You know, expecting to move in a directionof greater wellbeing, maybe we are more
likely to create greater wellbeing.
So I think, one lesson to takefrom this is that we, we can be
(13:05):
intentional, purposeful about howwe work with the forces of change.
And I think we also want to be patientbecause in order for that change
to be lasting, it can take a while.
Yeah.
So, this is, this kind of goes back tothat conversation of homeostasis and how
(13:29):
hard it is to change something even forthe better that it, you know, organisms
in our physiology resist that change.
So we have to, we have to be persistent.
That's kind of my point.
So here, this is just a very approximateway to measure this that I wanna, I just
wanna share something I've observed overthe years, and that is that when someone
(13:54):
goes on a new medication, for example,as a treatment for some condition,
like just standard antidepressants.
I think that it takes roughly sixmonths for the brain to have really
adapted to that medication and itseffects on physiology and to create
(14:15):
a new normal, roughly six months.
And, you know, in the literature andthe protocols for treating something
like depression, they always say stayon the medication for six months.
And I think there's a, something tothat length of time that it takes
that long to have adapted and tohave that change be the new normal.
(14:36):
Okay.
Likewise, when it's time to come offa medication, even sometimes people
have trouble doing that because it isa change, and I believe that it takes,
again, roughly six, or let's say sixto nine months for the brain to have
adapted to being off the medication andthen kind of being left with another
(14:58):
new normal that's medication free.
So, at least in my mind, I find thatto be a good timeframe to work with.
And I think it's, it's somethingthat helps me to recognize
that I am not the same personexactly as I was six months ago.
And to ask myself, you know,this question, who will
(15:20):
I be six months from now?
Now of course, I look more or less thesame and probably think and act more
or less the same, but not entirely.
So I can't say this for sure, butI believe that I can influence this
process, I think I do that throughthe choices that I am making.
(15:44):
Right now, today and tomorrow andthe next day, these thousand little
choices through which I am creatingthe brain that I am going to have and
the life
I am going to have six months andfurther down the road, the, the
future me is being created right now.
(16:04):
Yes.
We kind of hit on thisa couple episodes ago.
Brick by brick, we'rebuilding our lives day by day.
That is our life.
If Hailey would've looked in themirror six months before getting her
Spurs, would she have thought I'mgonna be a rooster in six months?
No, she could have never predicted that.
(16:24):
It took some time.
They look great now on her.
I'll put a picture in the show notesto show off my fantastical chicken.
Give ourselves that time tochange too, like you're saying.
Yeah, we can create little and radicalchanges in our lives day by day,
(16:46):
minute by minute, hour by hour, and ofcourse, actually making those changes.
Believing we can makethose changes can be hard.
So we'll tackle some of those obstaclesin the next several episodes for
our element of hope this month.
We'll raise some of those obstacles up.
We'll talk about how we can overcome them.
(17:07):
To close our time today, I have to sharesome lines from Emily Dickinson's poem
called Hope is the Thing With Feathers.
Here are the first few lines (17:16):
"Hope is the thing with feathers that perches
in the soul and sings the tune withoutthe words and never stops at all."
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