#248 | Conspiracy Cults, Consciousness Control, & Dream Recall with Cult of Conspiracy - Juan on Juan

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Welcome to the one on one podcast with your host
one on Yala.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Welcome back to another episode is probably a soft cast.
I don't know what this is gonna be, but here
we are. What's up, boys? We got the cult of
conspiracy boys with us. How you guys doing. It's been
a little minute since we last got together and had
a little chat. Awesome man, we uh we.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
Love talking with you because it's nice to be around
other conspiracy theorist with that third eye all the way
open is.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
What we like to say. But how you been, brother?
I've been okay.

Speaker 3 (01:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
So for those tuning in, we did get demonetized off YouTube.
So if you're listening to this anywhere I don't know where,
check out the Patreon, Patreon dot com slash though one
on one podcasts support the show because they are trying
to so. I was always called the feder. I you
always get called the fed whenever you have like a
certain audience. Hey, what a fed get demonetized? I think not.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
That's a good point.

Speaker 4 (01:38):
I get called a fed all the time because I'm
just the resonance sticking the mug when it comes to
certain topics. I'm down with a lot of conspiracies. There's
some that I'm I have no problem pointing the finger
out and being like, Okay, that's kind of bullshit here, dude,
clearly I'm the fed.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
Yeah, let's talk about that. Let's talk about bullshit conspiracies,
because there are some conspiracies that are retarded and dumb.
And here's the thing about this, uh uh, the community,
if you want to call it, that there is a
lot of reality people in reality tunnels. And my issue

(02:13):
and Jonathan was asking me like, oh, TikTok. The reason
I stopped doing green screens. One of the reasons was
because my green screens were not so much me pushing
my ideas of like what I think about the subject,
but it was like a more it would leave it.
I would present both sides, right. The problem with that is,
you know, to let people speculate, right, and then they

(02:34):
start typing on the comments calling you a dumb ass
or whatever it is that they do. You know, the
comments as always know best. But my issue with it
is that I was promoting some conspiracies, right, and I
believe that there are people who are truly sick who
listen to our shows to get a confirmation bias and somehow.
If I'm going to complain about conspiracies being dumb and stupid,

(02:57):
but I am spreading conspiracy that same time, that makes
me a hypocrite.

Speaker 3 (03:02):
And well that's the right way to go right there, though,
Like you have to present all sides, and that's something
that we learned along the way too, because you know,
like it or not, things get turned into cults all
the time, and just people start thinking that, you know,
the group that they're involved in, they're absolutely one hundred
percent correct about every single little thing. And you have

(03:25):
to present both sides. You have to weigh both sides,
and maybe even a third side if you you know,
if you can think of one to add in there.
But like you know, you can't just go full on,
oh you don't believe in flat earth, you're a fed.
It's like maybe you know, it's like the truther or
community is more than just one thought form. You know,

(03:45):
it's a it's it's supposed to be open minded. It's
not supposed to be narrow minded. So if you're a
flat earther and you're calling everybody who isn't a flat
earther a fed or something like that, then it seems
like you've joined a cult, which.

Speaker 4 (03:59):
Is why I actually refer to the flat earth community
in more of a cult like way. I'm not saying
every single person who believes in the flat earth is
a member of a cult.

Speaker 3 (04:07):
No, there's defining lines between the two.

Speaker 4 (04:10):
Right, There's somebody who has found some information and it
jives with what they believe in, and there's some some
rabbit holes they've gone down and they have a belief.
All right, dope, that's one. That's fine, good things. But
then you have the people to take it on as
if it's like a new religion. And once you understand it,
your whole perspective changes and it's like, all right, that
now we're delving into the cult like side of things,

(04:32):
because that's it's even being a conspiracy head, all right, Yes, granted,
once you understand the government is doing everything they can
to fuck you, yes, your perspective does change a bit.
It doesn't change you clocking into work Monday morning. It
doesn't change you parenting your child when they come home
with an F on a test.

Speaker 3 (04:49):
You see what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
It's like, yes, it's flat dude. It's meant to make
you feel in insignificant in the voidness of space. That's
also bacon gay and all this other stuff. But yeah,
you still got to clock in at seven am, sharp, motherfucker.
You know you gotta you gotta gotta make sure to
be there on time. Brother, Like, yeah, it's And here's

(05:12):
the thing, dude, you know in hermeticism, Uh, there's something
known as as sleepers. Right, the sleepers, which are those
that haven't achieved or obtained the nooses to be awakened. Right,
to be a nosis is this enigmatic thing that you
achieve that you acquire through again research and reading, but
we don't really know how you get it. You just

(05:33):
get it and then you transcend. Right, You're supposed to
leave the sleepers alone because they're supposed to find their
own way. You're not supposed to push it upon them
and try and wake them up. They're gonna find their way.
And it feels like a lot of these ideas and
it's not just flatters, like there's a ton. The other
one is the one where all the chicks in Hollywood

(05:54):
are dudes and all the dudes are chicks.

Speaker 3 (05:58):
Okay, okay, there's a lot of trans out there.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
According to her, then I'm gay because I think Megan
Fox is hot, right, I'm gay, she's a little weird.
But the people that are saying that she's like a man,
I mean, look, you know there's this whole meme going
on around Jennifer Maniston, right because Barry was allegedly hooking
up with her behind Big Mike's back, and so could

(06:23):
it be possible that she is a man? Then you
start to see the Adams apple, the more broader shoulders,
a little peach fuzz on the face. Look, I mean,
some women just start to look a little bit different
whenever they get older.

Speaker 3 (06:35):
Everybody does. It's not even just a woman thing. It's
like not everybody's always going to be one hundred and
twenty pounds and looking like they're twenty one.

Speaker 4 (06:41):
You know, we also acknowledge that that's also a fucking
massive step up.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
For Barack Obama.

Speaker 4 (06:46):
You're leaving Big microm for Jennifer Aniston, man or not?

Speaker 3 (06:50):
Like Yo, that's taking some player moves there, My.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
Boy, You mean this one has two holes?

Speaker 4 (06:56):
Whoa no, even if she has a dick, even if
that's the case, that's still a come up.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
Hey, dude, if you're into chicks with Dix, hey you're
you're into what you're into, dude, Like, I have no
proles with that, but again, you know, you gotta let
people live their life. But that's another one that's almost
on par with the whole flat Earth group because it's
like this hive mind in my and in my opinion,

(07:22):
they if you're the one that is in my DMS,
in my reviews, in my email, in my comments and
all that stuff, NASA is not in my comments and
in my DMS telling me that it's a globe, it's
you who's telling me the opposite. So the more you
tell me it's flat, the less I'm gonna believe because
you're being pushy as fuck. You ever see those pictures

(07:45):
of Judah's like all up against Jesus, and Jesus like,
bro back the fuck up.

Speaker 3 (07:49):
Man. He gave him a little kiss before he died though,
right it was like the kiss of death or the
scorpion kiss or some.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
People say so, yeah, I think Judas might have been
a little gay for Jesus.

Speaker 3 (07:59):
He was also just kind of a piece of shit.
There's multiple examples of that one in the gospels.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
But yeah, but again that whole thing of like, hey, man,
give me some room, to breathe and I will look
into it. And bro, we've looked into it. Your podcast
literally the cult of conspiracy. You guys talk about this
all the time. But again, I feel like some people
are sick and they listen to the show and they go,

(08:25):
I want my confirmation bias confirmed. And when they when
you don't confirm their bias, that's when you become a fed.
Wait a minute. You just agreed with me a couple
of minutes ago when I was saying what you wanted
me to say. But as soon as I present a
more logical perspective or a different perspective, which this is
what this is all about, looking at things from a
different perspective, right, why is that then a problem?

Speaker 3 (08:45):
Look, the thing is is that you know anything that
you do just because your group deems it correct or
write or necessary. You're not making your own action, you're
not making your own move. You are a follower at
that point, and you haven't been able to look at
things subjectively without being swayed one way or another. And

(09:08):
that's the opposite of opening up your third eye. You
should we always tell everybody, like you know, we have
our opinions for sure, and most of the time, our
opinions are are differing. Like me and Jacob, we disagree
on a lot of stuff, which you know, I think
is important for the conspiracy realm. That way, you don't
form that echo chamber and you don't have a bunch
of people coming to listen just because they agree with

(09:29):
every word that you say. You're not learning that way.
You need to have a little bit of you know,
yin and yang, and you know if that if that
bothers some people. You know, it's like it's like a
like political cults, you know, like, oh my my president
said this, and that's that's what I'm going to follow it.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
And he said it, so it must be good.

Speaker 3 (09:49):
It's like, you know, we can sit over here and
praise Trump all day, Like I love what we're seeing
out of Doge and all the people that are being
put into place, But to absolutely just blind I only
followed the guy that just created a fucking AI vaccine thing. No,
I don't, like, I'm not one hundred percent he's he

(10:12):
created or he is working with uh the the crypto
and AI people to create personalized AI vaccines for each individual,
saying look, Musk, for.

Speaker 4 (10:25):
Instance, I love what he is uncovering with Doge. Yes,
one hundred percent. He is still a crazy motherfucker right
and he is still trying. We cannot take away the
quantum computers that he is dealing with, we can't sidestep
the AI that he is trying to get involved with.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
It's like he's still a chaotic neutral.

Speaker 4 (10:46):
He is still just he could wake up tomorrow and
decide he's a super villain and there's nothing stopping him
from doing that. Like, just because he's doing good shit
right now doesn't mean he's the greatest guy ever. We've
said that about Trump a million times. Yeah, he's doing
great things right now. He's still a piece of shit.
He's ball businessman from New York City Like that hasn't
gone anywhere, right.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
So it's it's just dangerous to blindly follow. You know.
We got to keep everybody you know in check and
make sure you keep the receipts and shit like that. Like,
I mean, dude, I know that some people were like, well,
he had to create the COVID vaccine or else the
deep state was going to create something worse. And maybe
that's the case. Of course, you had Kamala Harris and

(11:24):
Joe Biden saying I'm not gonna take a Trump vaccine,
and then soon as they get office, they're pushing vaccine.
So maybe something was changed. We don't know, you know,
like there's no way of knowing these kind of things.
I just don't vaccinate, you know, It's just pretty simple
for me.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
Yeah. How the famous and wise Kanye West said one time,
he said, I just tell the truth, and telling the
truth is crazy in a world full of lies, right
because nowadays this is news to me, that whole AI vaccine.
So I'm trying to look it up here and I'm
not having my AI powered cancer vaccines.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
Bro. What Yeah.

Speaker 4 (12:02):
Oh, Also, when you're talking about Jesus himself, we gotta
keep in mind this is the same guy that after
Katrina said George Bush doesn't care about black people. Right now,
he is selling swastika T shirts. That that's Kanye selling
these things and.

Speaker 3 (12:15):
Allows his woman to go out. I'm not gonna be
a bigot and say that he allows his woman to
draw it. He's like going out in public with his
nude woman.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
Some dude.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
Scenary spinning image show of Kim Kardashian after he just
dropped a gospel album three years ago.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
Okay, see the the stuff of her looking like Kardashian,
that's weird. And also it doesn't matter though, because all
the Kardashians are men anyways. But also the.

Speaker 4 (12:46):
Seen the video of ray J at one point in time,
Kim K had of a jage.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
I don't know, bro, the testes are on the inside.
Whatever the the some I was gonna say, some some
dudes like being cooked, Like some dudes want other dudes
to look at their chick and like they get off
on that, right, So maybe he likes that. It's it's
the world of Hollywood, bro, you don't think they're swinging
into they're doing all this other stuff. So hey that

(13:12):
she's naked and showing her body to the whole world,
that ain't nothing to him, bro.

Speaker 3 (13:17):
Hollywood wrror, There's no doubt about that.

Speaker 4 (13:20):
Look at what cash Pttel is doing right now. Just
got confirmed today and he said that on day one
he was going to be releasing the entire Diddy list
and the entire Epstein list. Now we're still on that
twenty four hour clock to see if that's gonna come
through to fruition or not. But he is on record
saying that that was going to go down the second
he gets in the office, so we shall.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
See which is a confirmation from Q from.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
Old here we go, Oh dude, c.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
Oh, look t me saying they were right about some shit,
you know, And so you know what.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
I think Q is, bro, let's go there is the
weirdest thing I've ever seen, right because they first of all,
I have no idea what they're talking about. But usually
when they go, you see, Q had already referenced this,
and they referenced some message from like three years ago
on like some forum that kind of sort of resembles

(14:20):
what they're trying to confirm. You see, you see he
had it right here, and it's like, bro, I get it.

Speaker 3 (14:27):
Some of them are definitely stretches. But the Cash Ptel
one is is especially strange because what people will do
because they look at the Q andon drops as like
little breadcrumbs you know, down like prophecy essentially, or you know,
somebody's a psychic or somebody has a looking glass. I
don't know what the fuck is going on.

Speaker 2 (14:46):
Maybe it was.

Speaker 3 (14:47):
Traveler, could have just been a plan all along, who knows.
But in regards to Cash Pattel, dude, the day that
he gets like put into that position was the same
eight that they made the Q post of telling people
about cash Betel. So it was like, I don't know, well,

(15:08):
I don't even know what today's date is or yesterday
or whatever twenty first, but yeah, okay, so the twenty first.
I think that that actual drop was on February twenty
first of like twenty seventeen, eighteen or something like that.
Oh what twenty seventeen.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
Listen, man, listen, listen. If the big you know, the big,
the big conspiracy, that there's this cabal ruling everything and
that there's all these people in power and they like
to fuck kids and they like to do all this
stuff behind closing, right, like all these guys run running
the world, running reality itself, but yet a group of

(15:49):
skitzos are able to piece it together from some forum
posts about bro. I could be cue. You know what,
I've thought about doing.

Speaker 3 (15:59):
Some twenty to keep that up.

Speaker 4 (16:00):
Man, you got demonetized off of YouTube.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
Listen, listen, bro listen. I've thought sometimes about just making
shit up and just posting it on the internet just
to see where it goes, just to see some crazy
story like anyone, like anyone can make up a story
about an alien abduction. Let's be real, like anyone can
make that up. Steven Greer is just Steve Greer whatever

(16:25):
his name is. That dude's probably alien. He he's just
famous for talking about it. Bob Lazaar, like the blood cell.
The blood cell stuff is kind of weird too, like
that whole thing. And it's like sometimes, Bro, I think
that a lot of this stuff that we consume, it's cool, right,
it's cool, it's it's it's fun to think about, but
it might be bullshit, you know what I'm saying, Like

(16:47):
this Cash Betell guy, that's a dead man walking if
he's gonna any perfect example. So I've been I've had
this developing new theory that within the occult right, and
everyone knows that Crowley was an agent. We know that
John d was the original Double seven. If we stick
to that sort of thinking, the most powerful information that

(17:12):
you could have on anybody is blackmail. They don't care
if you can summon Cthulhu himself. I can tell I
can be like yo, I can summon Cthulhu and I
can do it. They're not gonna care. But as soon
as you say that, hey, I have the Diddy List
and the Epstein list, Oh, they're gonna come for you,
because that's the true real information. So in my opinion,

(17:33):
I think that the occult and a lot of these
other things that are connected to it, it's more about espionage.
And now in the occult terms, I think that a
lot of the occult stuff and the initiates in these
in these circles was about the passing of information, real
information like blackmail in an occulted way, in a shrouded way,
and only those who could read it could pull the

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information out. The guy who created the modern day cryptography Emetheis,
he wrote a book about how to communicate with angels,
but it was actually a book about how to hide
codes within a text that looks like a regular text,
but he teaches you how to pick it up. That's
the secret society.

Speaker 4 (18:15):
But then you also, like you said, there's a lot
of it that's entertainment, right, or at least like you
could hear these crazy fantastical stories about things and you
can take it as entertainment. But then you also have
people that take it as this is clearly facts, right, Like, uh,
look at old Billy Carson, right, he got high on
his own supply way too many times and then went
up to bat against a real one and got shut

(18:38):
the fuck down. Then he did everything wrong possible. But
he's like, Okay, fine, maybe he was wrong about the Bible,
but he's clearly right about the Samerian tablets and the scrolls.
And it's like, no, no, you understand he's equally as
validated in those things as he was saying about this
same thing with like a Bob Lazar is another example
of that. And I'm not saying he's full of shit
by any means, but some of his story checks out.

Speaker 3 (18:59):
Some of his story not so much.

Speaker 4 (19:01):
Richard Greer, what's that other guy that's always on rogan
to do with the British accent?

Speaker 3 (19:06):
Oh, I know who you're talking about.

Speaker 4 (19:08):
He wrote between him and an archaeologist who's like an
actual cost that's the one Graham Hancock.

Speaker 3 (19:15):
He's entertaining. He's entertaining to listen to one hundred percent,
but like any actual historian would be able to dissect
it very quickly, right what the theorizes a lot too.
It's not saying that like he's looking back and he's
you know, looking back at certain comments and asteroids that
are that were possibly coming here and and I love

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those kind of people because instead of just saying, oh, well,
here's the facts, and I don't have an imagination or
a curiosity as to how it happened or anything. Because
it hasn't been confirmed in science doesn't necessarily make make
him just an entertainer. He could just be a theorizer,
I mean storyteller. Thing.

Speaker 4 (19:53):
The storytelling is entertainment. Theorizing is entertainment unless you turn
out onto the scientific method.

Speaker 3 (19:58):
But it's just modern to thinking man at that point.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
But here's the thing. Some people, no matter what information
you present to them, they're not gonna care it's coming
from a mainstream source, even if it's right, because they
want to be against the mainstream source no matter what.
So you can present to them the information and they
will completely deny it only because it comes from a

(20:21):
mainstream source. But if they get it from somebody like
Graham Hancock, hey man, you know a lot of the
stuff that he's saying makes a lot of sense. Yeah,
it makes a lot of sense. But the mainstream and
I'm not saying the mainstream could be right. I think
that they have a lot of things wrong. But the
mainstream says is you think that, Uh yeah, the Egyptians
levitating the rocks into place is pretty crazy, right, Yeah,

(20:44):
that's crazy. But also is the idea that they might
have used a ramp to put up the stones up
at the pyramid. That's ludicrous, that's wild. Like, bro, what
you just said that they levitated the stones in place,
but the fact that they could have had a ramp,
that's even crazier to suggest you're smoking some shit, bro.

Speaker 3 (21:08):
Like anything is possible with that. You know, I've heard
the whole the levitation via what was it like sound
frequency or something like.

Speaker 4 (21:15):
That, or magnets and like that, there is some weight
to be hell with that. We can in fact levitate
objects and make water defy gravity with sound waves.

Speaker 3 (21:24):
Like there is that kernel of truth there, and given
the credence for it.

Speaker 4 (21:28):
We also know that Egypt had a massive slave population
for like over a millennia.

Speaker 3 (21:34):
So I mean, it's I'm with you on that.

Speaker 4 (21:36):
But it's also the fact that we still don't know
how the Great Pyramids were built or who built them.
There's there's records to say that, well, this person did it,
but they actually pre date those written records and those
hieroglyphs and so that's because there's no concrete evidence to
say one or another. That leads it open to the interpretation, which, again,
it's fun to theorize and fun to bounce back ideas.

Speaker 3 (21:58):
But then you have these people that take that to
the nth.

Speaker 4 (22:01):
Degree on either side of that argument, and then they
start belittling the other side for having different beliefs, and
it's like, Okay, that's not even entertaining to listen to.

Speaker 3 (22:11):
You know, I don't think that there's any problem in
coming up with your own theories. But whenever you call
somebody a fucking idiot or a FED or you know,
retarded or something like that because they don't believe what
you believe, who's learning from that at that point? Like,
if you're calling me a FED or somebody stupid and
you're trying to present a point to me, I'm going

(22:31):
to neglect your opinion out of spite, not because I've
looked into it, but now I'm just looking into you,
and the fruit is fucking spoiled, And if that fruit
is spoiled, I'm not looking into it. I really don't care.
That's the way I look at it.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
That's why I like having caught. I think the baits
are really gay, Like can you imagine wanting to convince
another man like how you think and what you think
and why you think it and try to change their mind.
That's kind of gay, Like you want to kiss him
tube Like I think that I like having conversations, have
a conversation and just talk it out and present your

(23:07):
ideas and that's it and at the end of the day,
you don't change your mind. Again the sleeper aspect, they're
gonna find their way eventually if it is. But these
people how you're saying, they go. It's like the craziest thing.
And the fact that we even have ideas, right, Like
the concept of an idea is even whif you really

(23:29):
or do ideas even come? Are they even your ideas?

Speaker 3 (23:32):
Right? Really?

Speaker 2 (23:33):
Probably they come from this area and you're just like, man,
that made sense or I just got this crazy idea.
It just like manifests from like another dimension into this
reality and then you take that and you do other
things with it. Belief systems are crazy to me, Like
all that stuff is crazy to me. And the way
that people attach themselves to it's almost like the human

(23:53):
experience is, you know, wanting to associate with something and
it's been like that through all of history that we
know of. And my issue is, you know, the first
forty eight this show where it's modern day, they can't
even figure out who the hell murdered a person. But

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yet you're gonna tell me that you figured out who
built the pyramids and how they built it.

Speaker 3 (24:19):
You got to take a lot of that shit on
faith at that point. I mean, at a certain point
you got to say, you know what, I don't know
one hundred percent, but it's my working theory. Like, but
to be so sure that everybody else is stupid as
a result of that, it's like you're missing the entire point.
But that being said, I will say that I do
love flat earthers, and I do love you know, other

(24:43):
conspiracies and theories out there. I may not agree with them,
but I think that they are actually pretty important. For example,
I mean, if it wasn't for you know, my rabbit
hole dive into flat Earth initially, I don't know if
the cult of conspiracy would have ever and created. It
was because the concept so amazing. It was the first

(25:06):
conspiracy that I really looked into and latched onto and
not gonna lie, dude, I was addicted to that shit.
I was going, they have this live YouTube channel for
flat Earth twenty four to seven, and I was just like,
I'm not watching the Steelers today. I'm not watching you know,
wrestling or whatever I would normally watch, like I'm watching this,

(25:26):
and I just found it so fascinating. Not necessarily because,
you know, because it's true. I mean, I played with
the idea of what if it is true? But what
it does is is that it allows you to shift perspective.
And that's what I think is the most important part
about all conspiracies, because I mean, think about it, most

(25:47):
of our lives, we go through it assuming that we're
pretty much correct about everything. Like you kind of have
to have that attitude, right, Like whenever you're driving, you
have to you have to be sure about every turn
that you're gonna make, if you're merging into a lane,
you have to be sure that you're right about the
certain things. And so after a while, you know, your

(26:07):
brain just starts to imagine, well, I'm sure, and you know,
the the concept of the world and the reality that
we live in. I know what it is, and therefore
nobody can tell me what it isn't. And that's a
dangerous place to be. So whenever you do have flat
earthers or the Tartaria people or the Epstein flight log
people or the q Andon whatever, these are literally like

(26:30):
they are hammers to like corroded pinial glands in my opinion,
But also I think depends on I'm with you.

Speaker 4 (26:40):
I'm with you to that, And to be honest, I
have never heard this story about how flat earth is
the reason why the culture conspiracy was births, So I uh,
so on I don't know if you know this. This
show existed for about six months before I came on, right,
And so it was Jonathan and his hat and they
were running it and it was fun, good things. Me
and him got together and it just kind of blossom
than to what it is today, slowly but surely.

Speaker 3 (27:04):
It's a great thing.

Speaker 4 (27:05):
We discovered accidentally that we were like did we catch
lightning in a bottle? Because he and I are so different,
but we also jive on these important topics but are
so different in others.

Speaker 3 (27:16):
And it's like, is this what we're doing now? Bro?
And so it kind of it worked out.

Speaker 4 (27:20):
Right, Jonathan, I had no fucking idea that flat Earth
was your big one, right, So For me, it was yeah,
growing up in a household where JFK's assassination was being discussed.

Speaker 3 (27:31):
At the daring table of how that was bullshit? Right.

Speaker 4 (27:33):
The first conspiracy that I on my own started digging
into is nine to eleven. I was a freshman in
high school and I first heard something about how there
was a conspiracy behind this, and I'm like, wait what.

Speaker 3 (27:43):
That was a thing that.

Speaker 4 (27:44):
Just shattered my existence. I still went and joined the
military over it, though, because you know, war is good.
I'm just saying it's the only system that works. System like,
over and over again. The only thing that settles differences
on a large scale is bloodshed. I don't like it,
but I'm just happy to live in the country that spoke.

Speaker 3 (28:04):
Yes exactly for that reason why jacobs a fed exactly
what I was getting ready to say. But I also
don't want wars just for no reason. Yo.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
Yeah, I interviewing this guy this week. But Jonathan, uh,
where do you stand with the flat earth? My My
issue isn't with flat earth. That's with flat earthers and
the way that they portray their ideas very obnoxious and
just annoying. But where do you stand why?

Speaker 3 (28:27):
Because they're always on the defense. I've I've had to
learn that too.

Speaker 4 (28:30):
They are always defending their beliefs against people who are
calling them idiots. It's very rare that you'll meet a
flat Earther that will like conversate about it.

Speaker 3 (28:40):
That are like that one of them. Josh Monday is
one of them that you can talk to have a
regular conversation with about flat Earth, and I love that. Yeah,
But most of them, confirmation comes from, you know, certain
Bible interpretations.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
And that's a problem too, because then they take religion
and then you get conspiracies that clump in. Like the
latest what I've seen is like the Little Season theory
and Tartaria getting on and flat Earth get all all
put because all the the resurrected Saints live in the
North Pole and that's why you can't go. So it's
taken Tartaria, a Little Season and flat Earth and just

(29:15):
like Boom put it like that, and it's like they
got like the the holy Grail of conspiracies in their
ahead and they've got it all for. But what are
you now, Johnny, Like, do you believe Globe? Do you
believe hollow I'm a hollow earth, dude.

Speaker 3 (29:30):
I actually I and this sounds like a crazy theory,
but it has been confirmed by multiple sources within you know, yeah,
YouTube and TikTok has confirmed it. No, I'm just kidding,
but like if you look back at a lot of
the the old CIA papers that you know, they were

(29:51):
allowing to come out over the past couple of years,
which I'm not gonna sit here and say that I'm
one hundred percent believing that the CIA is spreading truthful
information either, but start somewhere, right. I believe that we
are living in some kind of holographic simulation, and I
think that it's entirely possible that, Like, so we all right,

(30:14):
we we think that we're physical beings, but that's actually
not even the case. We are not to get woo
woo here, but we are spiritual beings living in human existence.
Like that's not that crazy to say, right, I think
that that's absolutely what it is. This is kind of
like a dream. I'll give you an example. This is
gonna blow your mind. Okay, so uh it was, I

(30:37):
don't know. Two three weeks ago, I have another podcast
called Meta Mysteries, and we had a guest on there.
His name is Optimistic Banks. Really cool, dude. But and
he he brought up the idea of Okay, so there's
there's people that the dream all the time. Jacob never dreams,
but I dream all the time, dude. And uh, you know,

(30:58):
whenever you wake up from a dream, it might be
so embolic and you don't really know the meaning behind it,
like those people that for example, like if you have
a dream and all your teeth are falling out, like
the old wives tale is that somebody close to you
is going to die. I don't know how those two correlate,
but that's what the that's what they say. But if
you go into a dream interpreter, like you go to

(31:18):
a dream interpreter, they have dream interpreter ais and shit
like that, and you can always get your dream interpreted. Well,
you can use that on the other side too, because
there are some people that speculate that this reality is
a dream. The Hindus and the Buddhists, they have terms
for this. They believe that this is just another facet

(31:39):
of the dream world. And so the idea is is
that if something crazy happens to you and you're in
real physical life and waking life, something crazy happens to you,
then what you can do is is you can plug
that into a dream interpreter, bro, and this is gonna
blow your fucking mind. You can even go to a
dream interpreter and just say, oh, this was a dream

(32:00):
that I had. You can look up at like the
meaning behind it and possibly why it happened, and it's
usually like a spiritual kind of thing. So I just
recently had something crazy happened. And so like a few
weeks ago, my dog bit somebody and it was horrific, bro,

(32:20):
Like I it was like the worst I'd ever felt.
Like this, this poor person got like got bit. And
my dog is not aggressive at all. No, he's actually
like a mix between a boxer and a wiener dog
like not aggressive, right, he has a boxer head and
then a wiener body.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
And well keep in.

Speaker 4 (32:39):
Mind now Docsin's are in the top five most aggressive
dog breeds.

Speaker 3 (32:43):
Little known fact. I didn't know that. So anyway, my
dog bit somebody, and so what I did, I was like,
all right, let me try and see this, you know,
trying to take my mind off of it somehow, And
I plugged it into a dream interpreter, And wouldn't you
believe I'm not going to get too specific, and wouldn't
you believe that it completely correlated with what was going
on in my life at that moment, Like it was

(33:06):
almost like it was such an epiphany moment for me
that I instantly understood that we are absolutely living in
some kind of dream realm. And you know, you look
down at the atom and then down to the quark,
and it's not really anything physical anyway, Like atoms are
completely empty outside of the energy and the light that

(33:27):
are within them. I mean, every single thing that you
think is physical isn't at all. It is. It is
fucking coding. Like whenever you go and you stub your
I always say this, but whenever you go and stub
your toe on the corner of the wall, right, like
we think that our toe is hurting, but it's actually not.
It's just some kind of censor that's sending it back
up to our brain that's saying that your toe is hurting, right,
And so it's like your existence is being interpreted through

(33:53):
your mind, like your mind is literally tricking you. And
something that something that the Hindus say, I think it's
a Hindu thing. It could be Buddhist, but I'm pretty
sure it's a Hindu thing. They have this thing where
it's called Maya, and they believe that the Maya is
the dream reality that is trying to fool you into
believing that this is a real thing. And it's quite crazy, dude,

(34:18):
because the Maya, you know, you could look at that
as like, it's the serpent, it's the snake, it's the devil,
it's the deceit. It's it's keeping you connected to like
this physical uh, this physical world and getting you addicted
to this or or whatever, like whenever you got that
animalistic need, that's the Maya. It's it's fucking with your mind.
And so I don't know, I look at this world

(34:41):
completely different. And if it wasn't for my other podcast,
Meta Mysteries, I probably would be stuck on like maybe
it's still a double toroid Earth, which is still kind
of crazy.

Speaker 4 (34:52):
And I'll say that as far as the flat Earth
community goes, the ones that are of the UH simulation
slash matrix theory, right, which is not exactly what Jonathan's
on right at this moment, but at the same time,
it's of the same flavoring. I guess you're the same
kind of family. Even though I'm a ball earther simulation
slash matrix theory.

Speaker 3 (35:14):
It checks out, and that's the problem.

Speaker 4 (35:16):
It's like you, there's no way of testing that to
see if there's something beyond that, Like we wouldn't know
about it in the reality we currently reside in. That
that's one of those that's like, all right, I see
where you're going with this.

Speaker 3 (35:27):
I get it. So whenever in Jacob, I know you
don't dream very often, but you have before. And then one,
are you somebody that dreams semi frequently?

Speaker 2 (35:35):
Yes, frequently? And also if I if I indulge in cannabis,
I won't. But if I don't, which I'm usually you know,
I'll smoke a bowl once every few months. Maybe if
that I will dream. And I do have vivid dreams.
And I've also tried. Have I told you guys about
my skullfunk method?

Speaker 3 (35:57):
Skull fucking I'm all about it. What is it?

Speaker 2 (36:00):
So? It's not my method, but it's a method. You
guys want to hear about it, all right? For those
my people have heard about it before. But I'm gonna
tell it to you guys because you guys seem like, well, Jacob,
you try this. I'm gonna give you two. I'm gonna
give you two ways to have very very good dream recollection.

(36:21):
The first one is called the Pythagorean method. And what
you do is, when you're laying down, you're tired of
getting ready to go to bed, you're gonna think about
your day backwards. Everything you did. Start small, right, Sometimes
you're not gonna remember your whole age because that's just
the way it is. You know, we're busy people and
we do stuff right, So think of your day backwards
and you walk through your day backwards all the way

(36:42):
to when you woke up. I do that every night
and then just drift off to sleep. And it's supposed
to again. This is something that Manly p Hall taught
Ronnie Pontiac. Will shout out to Ronnie.

Speaker 3 (36:54):
And sak, I love that guy.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
He's awesome, dude, shout out to him. And for me,
it's worked. I can have up to ninety person one
time I had a crazy dream and I can like
remember everything. I'm like, this is crazy. So the skull
fuck method, let me pull it up here.

Speaker 3 (37:16):
Do you have trouble getting to sleep? That's my next question.
Oh see, that's the difference, bro. When my head. It
is the pillow.

Speaker 4 (37:21):
We have a solid five to six seconds before I'm
in a coma.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
But are you do you do the the Navy seal
method to go to sleep? Do you do that?

Speaker 4 (37:32):
I know the method you're talking about, and no, My
method is my head.

Speaker 3 (37:36):
It's the pillow. I shut my eyes, I'm out dog
like method.

Speaker 4 (37:40):
So it's a breathing technique that you do, and it
essentially like puts you it it. I'm not saying like
causes your brain to hyperventilate and go dark, so to speak.
But that's the oversimplification of what's happening. You hold your breath,
deep breath, you hold it for like four seconds, you
slow release, you do something.

Speaker 3 (37:58):
There's a method to it, and it works tons of guys.

Speaker 4 (38:01):
And this is how like Navy seals train themselves to
be able to sleep instantly. But uh, even when I
went to the VA, I had to go for a
sleep apnea study, so they hooked my head up to
diodes and all this shit. Bro, when I go down,
I am in a coma, Like there there's little to
no brain acts. It's not that I'm not remembering my dreams.
I'm not fucking dreaming.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
Bro, and little to no brain activity when you wake
up too, Bro, you got it on when you're sleeping,
I'm just oh.

Speaker 4 (38:25):
When I wake up, I have about sixty seconds of
like trying to catch my bearings of where I'm at
and what's going on.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
And then like yeah, and I'm a morning person.

Speaker 4 (38:34):
No, when I wake up, man again, you give me
about a minute or two to like get my muscles moving,
and like we in it.

Speaker 3 (38:40):
We locked in. Let's go get some caffeine, let's get
after it.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
Here's my thing one to get up horrible. But once
I'm up, I'm going. I'm going. I'm going, and I
can go for a long time. But then when I
go down to wake back up, bro, I'm done. Like
it's I'm a Taurus, guys, you know it's just Taurus
and me. Right, let's go. So we got the skull

(39:07):
fuck an exercise and dream recall. Now it's gonna sound
a little gay. Bear with me.

Speaker 3 (39:14):
With a name like skullfuck, I mean, yeah, you're not.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
You don't have to use the symbology that we're gonna
speak of, but you can use you know, a key
and a hole, you can use a ring and a finger.
You can use anything you want if you don't want
to feel a little gad, you know, laying down next serious.

Speaker 3 (39:32):
Trade it whatever we're about to talk about.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
Yeah, So purpose And I found this on I have
this USB drive with the Sacred Texts. You know that
website that's got a ton of books like Esoteric and
or could books. So I had gotten this drive. It's
got like thirty thousand books or something like that. And
I was looking for an episode topic and I was
on the randomized butte just randomize, just reading different books,

(39:57):
and it came across this for whatever reason. So purpose
this is is an exercise to aid in the recollection
of dreams through the use of visualization and tactical imagery.
It is best performed at times at the times that
one begins to fall asleep. And I've tried this a
few times, guys, it works. It's so Number one, relax,
take a few deep breaths, and concentrate on the present

(40:19):
sensation of your extremities. So you start to focus on
your hands and your feet and everything. Allow yourself to
feel the gradual decrease in sensitivity of the limbs as
you drop off to sleep, so you know when you
get that feeling where you don't feel your arms anymore
because you haven't moved them in so long, and your
body's like, hey, it's your nose. It's ignore that. Do
you just stay there and you don't feel your arms,

(40:40):
you don't feel your legs. Switch your attention rapidly from
limb to limb, but block out extraneous thoughts as completely
as possible. When nearly all sensation is lost in the extremities,
switch your attention to your spine so where it gets
a little gay, Localize your attention to the sensation at
each vertebrate. Gonna go each individual vertebringing to concentrate on

(41:03):
going all the way up. Uh, send a current of
energy up from the base very slowly to the top.
When the current reaches the top, visual so you're gonna
send this.

Speaker 3 (41:15):
The fact that you're stopping says it was about to get.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
It's gonna yeah, it's gonna get.

Speaker 3 (41:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
You visualize this light coming up from like your you know,
your the bottom of your of your spine all the
way to the top. Right when the current reaches the top,
visualized the entire spine as a penis. And I like
to visualize like a huge avatar dick, like a huge
blue dick right at the point where it enters the

(41:41):
skull as this sexually oriented orifice of your choice. So
you can if you like butts, you can do above
you like you know whatever, you do that. So you
have a huge light penis stroking, yeah, and going into
that hole. Right, you're gonna You're gonna focus on that, right,
Concentrate now on the sensations of the spine penis entering

(42:02):
the Foreman magnum orphice, which is the hole at the
bottom of your of your skull. When bringing the sensation
to the conscious level where call that it is your
penis and your and or your orifice, a great deal
of sensation is being generated. Now what I mean if
you're gonna be uh doing this, doing this next to

(42:23):
your lady at night or your dude whatever. Just again,
I've never felt like the orgasm stuff of it. But
this is like a sexual nosis sort of like magic
or something whatever they call it. Hold you can come
from this, hey, dude, I don't know, I've never I've never.

Speaker 4 (42:41):
I mean you specifically want They're saying that, like you
can uh mind fuck yourself into or.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
Even dude, there's some dudes who can come without coming?
You know that, right, Like some dudes practice coming without
You can do that? Oh yeah, dude, that's crazy.

Speaker 3 (43:01):
I've been doing. Dude, that's since I was like, I'm
not gonna say what age.

Speaker 2 (43:06):
Jonathan's been magical, magically masturbating since he was a little boy.

Speaker 4 (43:10):
Dude, Like, Cantrick, are we talking about like edging yourself?

Speaker 3 (43:14):
I'm confused. He's talking no, no, No. What I'm saying
is like, sometimes you can orgasm without coming. I can
do that like pretty much every time if I want to.
It's kind of a pang.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
I was learning so much about Jonathan today and they've been.

Speaker 4 (43:29):
Yeah, I'm thinking like that when the mag's empty and
you have no more rounds to give, but your mind,
you know, your your body's saying no, but your mind
says yes, yeah, you might be lower dust.

Speaker 3 (43:39):
The trick is is that as soon as you're getting
ready to orgasm, you like pull back and like try
and prevent yourself from actually achieving like full orgasm to
where you really just have like a tiny orgasm, and
then you can just keep going. That's called edging, bro.

Speaker 2 (43:57):
If you do that.

Speaker 3 (43:58):
But if you do that, you you can go as
long as you want.

Speaker 4 (44:01):
Oh yeah, well, I mean the other math that I've
always done was like if you're about to nut and
you're like within under five minutes and you're a little
quick on the trigger that night, you pull out, you
smack your nuts real quick. It hurts in about ten
seconds later, you're back in action.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
Boys.

Speaker 3 (44:13):
It's not it's you know, not talking.

Speaker 4 (44:15):
Like don't hate yourself here, but a quick little back
of the finger, like worse.

Speaker 3 (44:21):
Than being punched in the old ball bag. I would
rather get punched than flicked.

Speaker 4 (44:26):
It's hitting the reset button, man. But you're doing it
to the hardness. You're doing it, you know what I mean.
You're not like trying to crush.

Speaker 3 (44:31):
Your boys, but you're hitting that hard recess for sure.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
Oh my god.

Speaker 4 (44:35):
Okay, So so edging, that's that's another excellent and it
also te It trains you to have stamina, for sure.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
So last part, hold the images and yeah, hold the
images and sensations in your mind until you do, in
fact fall asleep. Attempt immediately to hold up your dream
hands in front of your eyes. By practicing this daily,
and your total dream recalls achieved in a relatively short time.

(45:03):
Now when it says that part told dream recall did
this for like a week one time. And Bro, when
I tell you that I can remember reading in my dream,
I can remember everything about my I could wake up
and walk you through my dream like it was the crazy.
It sounds weird. You don't have to use a penis,
you can use a key, you can edge yourself like

(45:25):
John whatever, you can do whatever. But that's the that's
the technique, all right.

Speaker 3 (45:30):
Hey, it's only dumb if it doesn't work. So it's
not that it Honestly, it doesn't even sound that crazy.
Like there's a lot of people that you know, are
are trying to find different ways of you know, remembering
their dreams. Some people like the what is it apple
juice or something, or you can sleep with the black
obsidian christ apple.

Speaker 4 (45:52):
So if you drink amounts of apple juice before you
go to bed, it will like chemically induce crazy dreams.

Speaker 3 (46:00):
Sugar. Yeah. Also, sleeping with a red light on in
the room.

Speaker 4 (46:04):
Now, I don't mean like a bright ass red light,
but like instead of having like a blue light on
your ceiling, having a red light will induce There you go,
there's a there was an experiment done. I'm trying to
remember which three letter agency did it, but essentially had
a person put on headsets with just playing white noise,
just static, right, and not white noise like sound waves

(46:24):
and like no, no, just static right, cut a ping pong
ball in half and put each.

Speaker 3 (46:29):
Of them on top of your lid.

Speaker 4 (46:31):
Yeah, and then the red light and apparently you can
self induce hallucinations like without even going scary.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
Yeah, I've seen people a yeah, yeah, because that that
happens when there's a lot of snow, right, Like people
that live in places that has a lot of snow,
I've heard that happens where they start to hallucinate. Oh shit, yeah,
that's where I've seen that. From me. They were talking
about like oh, if you don't know a place with
a lot of snow or whatever. Here used the ping
and the dude like rips it off his head because
he saw like a bear or something coming towards him,

(47:00):
like and it freaked them out. But I sleep with
a red light on because my wife got us this
this bed frame and she wanted the LED lights on
the back, and I like the red because it's kind
of dark, right, So there's an LED strip all across
the back of the bed and I put the red
because she likes like the blue or yelling it's like
super brown, like, bro, you can't even sleep with it.

(47:20):
So I turned the red light on, which she doesn't
like it, but I turned that on and it's a
little more subtle. But I have been having some trippy
dreams lately where I'm like remembering them and I think,
like sometimes in the dream, like I had one this
past week where I was hiding behind a car from
somebody and they were they were walking past and I

(47:43):
was hiding, crouching behind a car, trying to hide from them.
But I think what was happening is I was I'm
a stomach sleeper, so I was sleeping on my stomach
like kind of hugging my pillow, and I think that's
what I was doing in reality, I was hugging my pillow,
and in the dream it got reinterpreted as like I'm
crouching behind in the same position behind the car. It

(48:06):
was like weird, right, because like I woke up and
I'm like I thought about it after. I'm like, this
is kind of like the same position that I was
in the dream. So I don't know how many times
I've been in a position in my bed and they
say that rather dream yoga, depending on which position you
sleep determines what kind of dreams you have.

Speaker 3 (48:26):
Which that Yeah, they say you're supposed to keep your
head pointed north. Another another thing is is that if
you keep your head pointed north, then it'll allow like
the dream state to happen a little bit easier, because now,
like you know, I guess it's because we have some
sort of magnetism with us, and if your head is

(48:49):
facing south, it is like battling against each other. It'
to where some people say that that's why like migraines
and headaches are happening because you're sleeping in this Uh,
you know, your head is south and so it's like
just some kind of magnetic battle all night or something
like that. I know that's how you make sure you
have a boy versus a girl too. Really, Yeah, I
three on that ship.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
Depending on where I am, I can't sleep on certain sides,
so I guess I wouldn't be able to sleep. I
don't know, I'm gonna have.

Speaker 4 (49:20):
Is it the way the bed is oriented in the room,
that depends on what side you sleep on. Yeah, I've
heard a lot of people say that, like for some
people it's sometimes the guy girl things. Sometimes it's a
who wears the pants in the relationship or who's more dominating.
And I'm not trying to shade anybody on this for
the record, but there are some I've I've had women.

(49:40):
As a matter of fact, my ex wife, mother of
my first two children, she wanted to sleep with me
closer to the door or to the windows in case
something were to happen. Right then, I've had others that
would sleep with them closer to the door of the
window in case something went wrong. They had a quicker exit,
right and it was more about like what put them

(50:00):
more at peace, to get their minds off of the
excess shit to where they could go to sleep.

Speaker 3 (50:06):
Meanwhile, there's me and I just don't it don't really
matter to me.

Speaker 4 (50:10):
But you know, it depends on each person, and sometimes
it's even a relationship dynamic thing.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
No so yet. In Miami, I sleep facing my wife,
but then she sleeps the opposite of where we sleep.
Here in Orlando, I sleep facing away from her and
she sleeps facing towards me, and dude, I can like,
I will not go to sleep if I'm not facing

(50:37):
a certain way on my stomach, I will not. And
usually when I want to get a fast and good
night's sleep because I gotta wake up early or whatever
it is, I will immediately assume the position of on
my stomach facing my right way, and I'm dude, I'm out,
like I will be out how you said quick?

Speaker 3 (50:55):
Right?

Speaker 2 (50:56):
Like you whatever. I'm trying to do the skull fuck
by that all lay on my back like this and
I'll just you know, do my thing and then yeah,
that's all. Just gonna listen to the podcast and be like,
so that's why you sleep on your back. Sometimes I'm
just skull fucking myself.

Speaker 3 (51:14):
Hey, why are you erect?

Speaker 4 (51:15):
Holy shit, Look, I'm trying to sleepness, gotta pop in
a tent, bro, I'm trying to do the the.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
Recall is Hey, honey, it's just dream recall. We got
to understand our dreams, you know. I'm trying to you guys.
Have you guys ever done astral projection at all? I
mean Jonathan Ellies, Oh.

Speaker 3 (51:33):
Yeah, yeah, well I I had tried doing astra projection.
You know, like through meditations, you have certain frequencies that
you can listen to that I guess, will you know,
make it a little bit easier for that type of
thing to happen. And it does feel like you're kind
of just imagining that it's happening. It doesn't feel like
it's actually happening. Which I mean, if we're living in
a dream world, what's imagining and what's real? Who knows?

(51:55):
But anyway, the the uh, I did have one out
of body experience. It was just a few months ago actually,
where they say that as long as so I don't
get sleep paralysis a lot, but whenever I do. Ever,
since I learned this method, I take advantage of it
every time I can. So the most recent time that

(52:15):
I had sleep prolyssis like a couple months ago. It's
basically you know, and it does. Here's a little trick
to that. You don't necessarily have to be in sleep paralysis.
You just have to convince your body in your mind
that you're in one. So like I'm not even sure
that I had sleep paralysis, but I assumed that I

(52:35):
was because my body fell asleep and I still felt
like I was dreaming in my mind, you know, because
I woke up in the middle of the night like that.
So what I did was. I was like, oh shit,
let me try and see if I can jump up
out of my body. I feel like I'm in sleep
paralysis right now. So I always sleep with my bedroom
door closed right, Like, I can't sleep with that shit open,
you know, the dogs run out and they fuck with everything,
and I don't know, I just like it and closed.

(52:58):
So I had this sleep proalysis thing one night, and
I like I woke up out of I mean, I
was in the sleep prolysis, but I was able to
be kind of coherent, and I was like, let me
try and see if I can get up out of
my body like other people have said that they can do.
So I did. I got up out of my body
and I like walked on my bed for some reason.

(53:20):
And I look back at my body and I'm like,
oh shit, I'm really doing this. This is crazy. And
then I go and open my bedroom door right and
I go out into the living room and I'm thinking,
like what is that thing? Like, how can I prove
that I'm actually doing this? Like according to me, like
it felt like a real experience. It felt like I
was really doing it, you know, like everything in my

(53:42):
apartment was exactly the way I left it. It seemed
absolutely real. And for some reason, within this sleep paralysis
moment or in this dream whatever it was, I like
left the TV on, which I never do, but in
this instance, my TV in my living room was on.
So I was like, oh, I know what I can do.
I'll just turn the TV off, and that way, whenever

(54:04):
I wake up, you know, i'll know that, Like that's
what I did. There was the dumbest thing that I
could have ever thought, because why would my TV be
on anyway? Right, And so, but I knew that I
had a very limited amount of time out of body
for some reason, Like I knew that I was gonna
have to get back really quick. So I was only
out for I don't know, twenty or thirty seconds or

(54:25):
something like that. And then I came back into my
room and I got back into my like I just
laid back on top of my body, which is pretty
pretty weird, like almost like a like I just feel gay,
like like laying on top of yourself. No, it just
felt like getting into your car, you know. Like that's
that's the way I interpreted anyway. And so whenever I

(54:45):
woke up, I was like, oh my god, did I
really do that last night or was I just dreaming,
you know, like it could have just been a mind fuck,
and and and and I was like, what was that?
What was that thing that I did that that would,
you know, help me remind my myself that I actually
did this. And I go and I'm like, dude, I
fucking turned my TV off. It would have been more

(55:06):
important if I had turned the TV on. That would
have that would have proven it a little bit more
to me. But then I noticed, I'm laying in my
bed and I'm trying to think about it. My fucking
bedroom door was open, bro, So I never sleep with
that door open, and so I'm thinking that was my
clue that I actually did get out of body, very
surreal experience. I mean, the same exact feeling of you

(55:29):
actually getting up out of bed, walking out the door,
going into your living room, observing everything around you like
you normally would. It was the same exact thing. So
for me, that was my out of body experience. I
haven't had a sleep paralysis or anything since then to
really try it again, but to me, it's confirmed, yeah,
that that's actually like a real thing to me.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
Anyway, did you open your door in your astral body
or like did you go through it? Because you have
you guys ever read Robert Monroe's book, Yeah, you know,
and like was it like that? Do you remember even
going anywhere near your door? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (56:11):
I'm like I assumed that everything that everything that I
could do, I assumed that that, like basically that I
was still this physical body. So I would have opened
up my door, right And I didn't think about like
trying to float through my door or anything, because I'm
thinking that it's still me even though I'm looking back

(56:32):
looking at me. And but yeah, like the Monroe Institute,
that actually might have been what what sparked it because
on my on my other show, we listened to like
the Monroe tapes, and you know, read all about Bob
Monroe and the Monroe Institute and and all that kind
of shit, and they say that if you listen to
those those those tapes, that it'll give you like weird

(56:55):
dreams and stuff like that, because it's all it's just
a long ass meditation. It's really what it is. But
it's really fucking cool.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
I've only listened to the first one, the first exercise
where you're supposed to, uh listen to the by neuro
beats and then start doing the you know, like that
first part. That's the only part that I got to.

Speaker 3 (57:17):
And I like synchronize your tone with the tone that
you're listening to.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
Yeah, And that's the only thing I did have for
a long time sleep paralysis. But I haven't had it
in a minute. And I can't stay in that state
because it feels like there is something that's gonna get me,
and I get the worst kind of anxiety, like you're
gonna die, that kind of anxiety. And I just I

(57:43):
had it so much growing up that I've learned already
how to rip myself out of that state right immediately,
where you kind of do like the you know, you
sound like a I sound like a dumb ass, you know,
going like that, and you just like peel yourself out.
I can do that like almost immediately. Uh. It's scary

(58:04):
when I've had sleep housses multiple times at night and
then like y'all wake up in the middle when I
go damn again and then you gotta like pull yourself
out again. So I've never been able to, you know,
jump out because it feels like something is watching and
gonna get me. And you know, some people say they

(58:25):
see the old hag sitting on her chest. Uh. Some
of the people say that they that they see shadow people.
I never I've never seen any of that shit. But
I'll tell you for the fact, it's one of the
most terrifying feelings you'll ever feel, because it's like this
anxiety just hits you and you're like, you know when
you were a kid and you felt like if your
if your feet were hanging off the bottom of that,

(58:46):
something was gonna get you. It's like that, but turned
up to like a thousand and we were like, holy shit,
if I don't break out of this, I'm gonna die.
So I've never never hung around dude like, and I
don't want to find out.

Speaker 3 (58:57):
I used to have like nightmares all the time and
they would always scare the shit out of me, but
I did. I developed like a defense mechanism for that too,
to where like even in the dream itself, like if
something is chasing me, that's scary, and I'm like death
is imminent and shit like that. For some reason, like subconsciously,
I know, all right, wake up, Like I don't even

(59:18):
think about waking up. It's just that I know that
it's not real, Like in the dream, which is pretty
pretty strange. But like as far as like the sleep paralysis, dude,
you know, the reason why a lot of people get
so scared intose sleep paralysis things is because you realize
that you're not in control, Like you realize that you

(59:40):
don't have control of your body, and if something was
going to come and fuck.

Speaker 2 (59:44):
With you, you would be totally.

Speaker 3 (59:45):
Defenseless against that, which causes the fear and the anxiety,
which in turn you're still in that sleep state, right
like still in that the alpha or the theta state,
So that is the more creative mind in that creativity
is going to just latch onto that fear and latch
onto that anxiety, and it's going to basically like manifest

(01:00:06):
these fucking scary things. Like people have talked about like
a like a like a fucking eight foot tall slender
man at the end of their bed whenever they're you know,
having sleep paralysis, and then that same person would say,
oh my god, it was the scariest thing I ever imagined.
But after a few days of thinking about it, I
realized that that was just the deepest, darkest parts of myself,

(01:00:28):
you know, because they say that whenever, like if you
don't like somebody, it's usually because they're they have some
kind of aspect that you don't like about yourself, right,
And so if you look at the world like it's
a matrix and that, you know, kind of like it's
all one video game. The reason why you wouldn't like something,
how could you if everything is one thing? Right, Like,

(01:00:49):
if everything is one thing, how could you be scared
or judge anything else? Because it is you at that point.
And that's more of like the dream the dream world
type of type of thing. Whenever you go you know,
damn well, whenever you go to sleep and you have
a dream that's you, Like, every single aspect of that
dream is you. Like it could be conscious thoughts, it

(01:01:11):
could be unconscious thoughts. But every single person and every
single monster and all that shit, they're all just aspects
of your own self. And so if you convert that
over to this real world, especially for like a sleep paralysis,
that monster would just be you. It could be something
that you've tried to drown out, or something that you
don't think about, or something that scares you so you

(01:01:33):
don't think about it and you don't face it or whatever.
This is why they say you should do shadow work
and meditate and all this other kind of stuff. But yeah,
I feel like I'm just rambling on now, Jake.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
Maybe this is your.

Speaker 4 (01:01:45):
World on this one, brother, This is so out of
my realm of what I consider real or or what
I even consider. So like this is you two are
going at it right now, and I'm here for it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:54):
Y'all, y'all take it out.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
I wish you could experience I think Jacob, I think
he do the skull fuck method. Bro. We'll have another check,
because I feel like you do dream, you just don't
remember them.

Speaker 4 (01:02:06):
According to the brain studies that I've had done, I
do not now I do.

Speaker 3 (01:02:10):
I'm not saying that I never ever dream.

Speaker 4 (01:02:12):
I have dreamed before, It's been a few years since
it was like a regular occurrence. I might, and a big,
big might have one dream per year.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
So another question for you. I don't know. You guys
are kind of freaking me out. We got Jonathan talking
about the CIA, maybe putting out good information than Jacob.
You know, I forgot what you said earlier is very fetish.
Do you have an inner monologue? Can you speak in
your head without having to speak it out? Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:02:42):
Absolutely, Hell Jonathan has sent me into a past life
regression before he hypnotized me, and that was fun as hell.

Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
Well, I dreamed that night, by the way, too, I did.
I dreamed that night. As a matter of fact, shel Me.
It cut into that like brain wave mode. It's not
impossible for me to dream. And I don't smoke the record,
and so I know I had a lot of people
in the comments, Yeah, because you're a stoner. I don't smoke.

Speaker 4 (01:03:04):
Actually, if we're gonna get real technical, but I have
in the past.

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
I mean, nicotine doesn't help either. That's the thing, Like
nicotine is also another substance that probably inhibits. Yeah, it's
it's again. It's addicting. That's why it's nicotine.

Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
Golla be out of balls at this point.

Speaker 4 (01:03:18):
I do plan on quitting it this year, don't get
me wrong, but as of right now, I mean, I
don't know. I've been smoking since I was sixteen, and
I used to when I was in high school. I dreamed,
when I was in the military, I dreamed. I you know,
I don't know when. I couldn't even tell you a
pinpoint of when it really stopped for me. But I mean,
it's not impossible for me too. It's just very rare.
And whenever I do dream, I wake up and can

(01:03:39):
remember them. You know, It's it's all of those functions work.
It's just usually I'm too tired. My brain's just like Homie,
we've been working all fucking day. Let's just let's take
a night off.

Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
Here's the deal.

Speaker 3 (01:03:49):
I just looked at at Healthline and the Sleep Foundation.

Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
They they both well, they both.

Speaker 3 (01:03:56):
Say yes, everyone dreams at night, even if they don't
remember their dream. Most people dream for about two hours
each night, primarily during a stage of sleep called rapid
eye movement or rem sleep. So it could just be
that your recall is horrible.

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 4 (01:04:12):
But that's the thing. Whenever I do dream, I can
remember it when I wake up. It's not even It's
not that. Even when I did the studies with the VA,
I was actually very curious about that. I was going
for sleep apneum but they still hooked up the diodes
to read brain activity, oxygen levels, all these things.

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
Flatline, dude, We're gonna get to the bottom of this.

Speaker 3 (01:04:30):
Dude.

Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
I think that I don't want to say that you're
full blown NPC and you just shut out of the
matrix as soon as you go to sleep. I don't
want to think that, Jacob oh I.

Speaker 4 (01:04:38):
According to whoever you ask, apparently I'm a fed and
Jonathan's my handler, you know what I mean. And apparently
I'm just pissing everybody off because they're you know, same
as that we were talking about earlier, like the conspiracy community.
People kind of go a little too far with it,
and next thing you know, they like, it's obvious this
person hasn't come up for air or like touched grass
in a few weeks.

Speaker 3 (01:04:57):
And then it's like.

Speaker 4 (01:04:58):
It's the Jews, They're controlling a everything. And I'm like, nah,
bro Se, y'all got it wrong. It's the fucking gypsies
that are controlling everything. Stephen, Oh fairies, it's the world absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
Another another conspiracy that kind of that I like, you know,
the dead Internet theory where all the infrastructure, which a
lot of it makes sense, there's a lot of like
abandoned infrastructure on the Internet, but that I think that
a lot of the people that we interact with are

(01:05:32):
probably just bots, dude, because they say some of the
most ridiculous shit that you could ever possibly think of.
And you go a human being couldn't possibly be this
retarded like of what you're commenting right now. So it
feels like a lot of these people aren't even real.
And again that's not like like uh, I recently did

(01:05:55):
a breakdown the Truman Show, right, the movie, which is
a crazy movie all the time. The Truman Show syndrome
is a real thing. And I'm sure you guys have
met people like you see that Disney movie that was
about me and my family. It's like, all right, bro,
fucking settled down. Settle down, dude. You know you work
as a janitor somewhere, and ain't nothing wrong with janitor's right.
Janitors actually, janitors hold the keys to reality. Okay, that's

(01:06:17):
why they got the keys.

Speaker 3 (01:06:18):
Okay, soak your occupation, man.

Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
There you go. So, uh, you know a lot of
these people, I think that they I think a lot
of them are bots. The people that we interact with,
especially in this community. It would make sense, right that
they would try to infiltrate and spread. And the problem
is that you have good information with bad information, right,

(01:06:44):
and sometimes sometimes both of them make sense, or you
have a combination of both real information intermingled with the bullshit,
and you got to kind of sort of make your
way out, like the whole alien stuff. Dude, I remember.
I remember it was pretty chill a few years ago.
Everyone was on board with the alien stuff, like, hey aliens, Yeah,
they're cool, UFOs. And now I saw like a flip

(01:07:06):
of a switch when the government started coming out about it. Oh,
aliens are faking gay. It's all a syop, it's all
Project Blue bit. It's like, dude, I was in freaking
elementary school reading about Area fifty one, and I was
always wondering, like, what the hell's in there? Man? Do
you think they got aliens in there? Like this is
the craziest thing UFOs roswell. Like the first one for

(01:07:29):
me was the Bermuda Triangle. Like when I first got
into this sort of reading about Flight nineteen, I'm like,
as a kid, where the hell do you remember those
Scholastic book fairs? Yeah, where they had a whole bunch
of create reading Goosebumps. You guys remember reading Goosebumps growing up?

Speaker 3 (01:07:47):
Crazy dude, our children?

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
Yeah, dude, Like, oh, I remember a series of unfortunate
events was another one of my favorites and growing up
as a kid. But again, this I knew as a kid,
I'm like, yeah, there's definitely UFOs, there's definitely aliens, and
now aliens are just, according to Greer, the some alien
grays or robotic cyborgs or half meat soup slash and

(01:08:15):
joid things, and it's like, where do we get it?
Sounds like a good plot to.

Speaker 3 (01:08:20):
A movie, like biological ais and shit like that. Well
as far as the people being NPC's, you know, I
used to think that that was like absolutely what was
going on somehow?

Speaker 2 (01:08:31):
You ever seen your neighbor bring in groceries.

Speaker 3 (01:08:35):
I've heard of that one too, and not gonna lie.
Every time I bring in groceries, I try and make
it known to everybody so they can wake up from
this fucking drug. Like, look what I'm doing. I got
the groceries just so you know I'm real. I'm not
a figment of your imagination. But uh but no. Like
in regards to the NBC thing, though, I used to

(01:08:56):
think that too, but then I started to remember, Bro,
there was definitely a point in my life where I
used to be an NPC, like one hundred percent bought
into the system. Like if I heard something on the news,
I believed it it's the news. They're not gonna lie
to us. If the government said something, I believed it,
it's a government, they're.

Speaker 2 (01:09:11):
Not gonna lie to us.

Speaker 3 (01:09:12):
It's the same thing of like, you know, like developing
that level of respect for your parents, you know, like
you don't question what your parents say. They're trying to
guide you in the right direction. And now that overlay
converts to you know, the government and everything else, like
you get so caught up and the stupid little like
reality TV shows. Dude, I used to be obsessed with
Jersey Shore. That was my shit back right right, But that's.

Speaker 2 (01:09:36):
Just that learning so much about Jonathan today, Man.

Speaker 3 (01:09:39):
That was NPC Jonathan. That's what I'm trying to say.
And but that's going back to the maya of what
I was talking about earlier. That's the illusion fooling you
right before your own eyes. And if you can't crack
that system, then the maya is just gonna stay, you know,
fooling you, it's gonna stay, keeping you in this materi

(01:10:00):
realm and keeping you in the the idea that you're
right about everything, or that you can figure out everything,
or or respecting certain people, you know, the not respecting
you should respect everybody, but like believing everybody, uh, just
because well they're smarter than me, so they must they
must got it right, right, Like that's a dangerous place
to be too. So once you can understand that this

(01:10:20):
world is somewhat of an illusion, now it's like you
can't be an NPC anymore. It's actually impossible to be
an NPC because now you're looking at the world for
what it is, and it's trying to get you to
talk about fucking Kim Kardashy, and it's trying to get
you to talk about you know, just these people that
literally don't matter.

Speaker 4 (01:10:39):
And it depends right, like you said, the smartest guy
on earth and all these things, and it's it is
dangerous to listen to these people. Look, Isaac Newton allegedly
one of the smartest guys of his day and age, right, hermeticist,
an alchemist, a father of physics and all these things.

Speaker 3 (01:10:54):
He died from drinking mercury.

Speaker 4 (01:10:57):
Like he wasn't that fucking smart, Like he was smart,
per the but he was also fucking retarded in others, Like.

Speaker 3 (01:11:03):
You see what I mean for sure? Yeah, yeah, And
that's the thing is that you know, you can only
be as smart as what you know the information allows.
I mean, if you're somebody that is like a scholar
or scientific or something like that. That's why I just
stay open minded, as open minded as I possibly can
about a lot of this shit. Like and literally, like
the saying on my show on my other show is

(01:11:24):
you don't know what you don't know. I walk around
with that mentality of like, all right, if if we
get a guest that comes on the show on either
one of the shows and they're trying to present something,
I don't sit there and try and battle them, because
my belief trump's theirs. I try and listen to what
their view is, try and get an understanding of whatever
it is. Put myself in that headspace that allows me

(01:11:48):
to understand the way they're thinking and why they think this,
and and stuff like that. But if you just walk
around and you think that you know every damn thing
and you're gonna argue for everybody that disagrees with you,
that's a fucking NPC move.

Speaker 4 (01:12:02):
I always get accused of this for various reasons.

Speaker 3 (01:12:05):
Don't get me wrong.

Speaker 4 (01:12:06):
And it's not that I think I know everything, but
I know more than most. I would argue that point
it's not me trying to be narcissistic, but I have
a little bit of knowledge about a lot of things
right right in that kind of dark Yeah, But like
I typically.

Speaker 3 (01:12:18):
Try to let people, you know, go on their tangents.

Speaker 4 (01:12:21):
But typically whenever they start going at the Bible or
some sort of religious book, I want to ask a
few questions and just put what they're saying through a
couple of levels of a bullshit sifter to see if
it can even make it through the.

Speaker 3 (01:12:32):
First two different questions, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:12:35):
And typically when they can't, I'm obviously just being an asshole.
And it's like, okay, so that's a that's a thing
for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
But it's good to have a healthy level of skepticism
because how Jonathan said, like if you just one hundred
percent believe, and that's why again, I have zero posoves
flat Earth. It's the people, right, the concept cool, dude.
I mean, I talk about the homunculus. So I hate
when like, you're just not open minded of dude, I've
looked into it. Trust me. It doesn't like there's things

(01:13:06):
that don't make sense. Now, there are things that the
flat earth answers that the globe doesn't and vice versa.
They're both flawed, right, But just because you watched a
few Eric Dube videos and a couple of debates, right,
you know whatever, the whole latest thing was the final
experiment and I'm like, yeah, that was hilarious. They'll length

(01:13:27):
And this is why I'm saying this whole idea of
people being mentally like legitimately being mentally and a lot
of the things that I see on the online. If
you're being presented something and you just flat out don't
want to accept it, you're either a bot or you're
mentally ill. And the fact that they've gone to the
lengths of saying, oh, they were in an Amazon movie

(01:13:51):
studio and it was a whole blue screen or a
whole green screen. Bro, you'd rather believe that crazy ass
shit that they're in the Truman Dome versus that they
actually went to Antarctica and saw twenty four hour son.

Speaker 3 (01:14:04):
Well, because where were the guys on the ice wall
with the guns? We all know that's real. And it's like, bro,
what people were always gonna try and debunk a video anyway?
I will say this, there were some edits in that video,
and I think that we're crying and if they were
trying to really prove it, you should have never edited it.
Like that's the thing. You have to have that continuous video,

(01:14:27):
Like you know, we can have videos of the ISS
being built, right, like we can we can watch like
not being built, but like adding parts and taking away parts,
but there's no video of like showing how they got
all that shit up, like we can look down you
know what I'm saying. It's all perspective.

Speaker 4 (01:14:46):
But even these days of a full unedited video, someone's gonna.

Speaker 3 (01:14:50):
Say, oh, it was just a I oh, well, it
was all CGI from the beginning. That's why it never
panned away?

Speaker 4 (01:14:55):
Or was this or was this if if people are
looking for a flaw, they'll just come up with one.

Speaker 2 (01:14:59):
Bro. Also, a lot of this stuff that happens, and
we're gonna use flat with as an example, is they're
in front of a computer screen. Hey, look at this.
This looks off. Look at this. You ever seen you know,
if you ever look at a cloud and it looks
like Snoopy for one second and then the other cloud
kind of looks like Princess Peach, it's like looking at clouds.

(01:15:22):
And also just because you don't understand something doesn't make
your idea of it true, And it doesn't make the
fact that if whatever you're observing doesn't make sense to
you doesn't make it fake either. You get what I'm saying,
Like just because a lot of these times is they
don't understand the way you know gravity work. That's the

(01:15:43):
big one, Like, oh, there's no such thing as gravity.
I know for a fact that if I fucking jump up,
I get pulled back down. You can call it Cuthulhu's asshole,
you can call it princess peaches, whatever. What is it
something's pulling me down? You can Gravity is just the
name for it to density one Jesus here. Yeah, no,

(01:16:05):
I mean I've heard dude, I've heard it all like
I have it.

Speaker 3 (01:16:07):
It's magnetism, it's magneticism.

Speaker 2 (01:16:11):
One of my favorite theories is the electric universe theory.
I like that theory a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:16:16):
It's fun.

Speaker 2 (01:16:17):
But that would make space real, and I think I
look at space as more of a dimension. The reason
I say this is because it's used in the occult. Now,
I don't know if the occult is a real thing
or not. I'm leaning more towards it being bullshit. And
again being about this ancient espionage because even in the Bible, Dude,
in the Bible, there was espionage. There was spies, there

(01:16:40):
was reconnaissance, man like, there was all that all over
the place.

Speaker 4 (01:16:44):
Everybody, every tribe, every nation has had spies for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:16:48):
Yes. So it's like if you look at it from
that perspective of like, hey, maybe this is real information
encoded in you know, the goetic sigils, like maybe that
was representative of something else. Like the guy who Johann
Veyer I did an episode on this, the pseudo monarchy.
He did a grim war on how to control demons? Right,

(01:17:10):
it was sixty nine demons, right. This was a living
streets nice right, This was a living student with Henry Quinet.
This Agrippa, right, one of the greatest occultists and occult
writers of all time. That literally the foundation of like
Western occultism was like the three occult books of Henry
Quinet's Agrippa. Mind you, he was friends with John D.
Like you know, they were using their works John D,

(01:17:34):
Trimetheus and all these guys who again were in intelligence
at the original Double O seven John.

Speaker 3 (01:17:40):
D and magic and astrology.

Speaker 2 (01:17:43):
Yeah, they were, they were doing all this stuff, right,
So Johann Veayer wrote this book on how to control
these demons and angels and all this stuff, and it's
like it's like a prayer. He wrote the book as
a form of sataire to make fun of the concept, right,
But from his book came the Goatia that has seventy

(01:18:06):
two demons. But they you know, they mix it up,
and that's used for real, for real according to some people.
But if the first version is fake and gay, what
does that make the second version?

Speaker 3 (01:18:19):
Well it's not that simple, though, I understand.

Speaker 2 (01:18:22):
Yeah, yeah, so there is.

Speaker 3 (01:18:24):
And I just recently looked this up there it checked
this word out. Bro. I don't know if this is
like a new word. I never heard of it before recently,
but it's a So it's the idea behind hyperstition, like
you know, superstitious people don't step on a crack or
you break your mama's back kind of shit. But hyperstition
is essentially the idea of behind like uh mimetic magic, right,

(01:18:47):
like using memes for magic and that kind of stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:18:50):
Basically Michel's higlyph kind of magic kind of in a
in a way.

Speaker 3 (01:18:55):
But basically, if you can get the majority of people
to believe something, or even if you the individual can
believe something that you can like manipulate it somehow, like
like you can manipulate your beliefs, you know, like for example,
I mean, the Hindus believe that they see Krishna in
their meditation. The Christians believe that they, you know, they're

(01:19:17):
talking to Jesus. The Muslims believe that, you know, whatever
wisdom comes down, it's from the Mighty Mohammad, and so
on and so on. I mean, are we to say
that there's only I mean, I know, like the religious
people out there. I'm not trying to say that anybody's wrong.
I'm just saying this is the view of it. The
if how do I want to say this?

Speaker 2 (01:19:38):
Basically, if you, if you.

Speaker 3 (01:19:41):
Like believe wholeheartedly into something, your mind does correlate with
it and you'll start to see certain things. So for example,
I created a tulpa, right, and so, so do you
know what a tulpa is?

Speaker 2 (01:19:57):
I do?

Speaker 3 (01:19:57):
Yeah, okay, so I created a tall but it is
it is a green, translucent alien octopus. And his name
is Marv. Okay, he's literally the logo for my metamatage.

Speaker 2 (01:20:10):
I think you've told me about Marvel when we talk
last it's yeah, in the in the van or whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:20:15):
Yeah, in the metamistery machine.

Speaker 2 (01:20:17):
Yeah souh. But if you.

Speaker 3 (01:20:20):
Meditate on him, you can see him and sometimes you'll
start getting thoughts that aren't your own? Now is it
because you don't you don't identify with those thoughts, and
so you think that they're not your own? Who knows
what's going on? The majority of magic, it has to
be believed to work. I know some people will disagree
with that. They think that you need absolute materialistic things

(01:20:42):
in order to create magic. Whatever. They're to each their own.
But I have definitely practiced magic, and magic works. Like
I've done money spells absolutely work. I've done like love
spells absolutely work, and like I've created Tulpa's like these
are these are real things. But what is real other

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than what you can convince yourself that is real And
that's kind of the magic behind it.

Speaker 4 (01:21:07):
And see, I'm I'm of a very different belief and
I'm not trying to go on a religious tear here.

Speaker 2 (01:21:12):
Demons Jonathan, their demons, brother Nephelim, not even going that.

Speaker 3 (01:21:16):
Route with it there, Paro cards. Everybody thinks that I'm demonic.

Speaker 4 (01:21:20):
I'm like, but no, there was a what was that
video of this person that believed hardcore believed that they
could create a protective force field around themselves based off
of their chie right, there's a video of it, and no, no,
he got fucking tackled like a linebacker smacked him. And
that's my point. This person believed it is. Yes, Jonathan,

(01:21:42):
thank you for answering the whole point of that.

Speaker 3 (01:21:44):
Well, yeah, I'm agreeing with you that that what they
were trying to do is absolutely ridiculous.

Speaker 4 (01:21:48):
And I've also seen people that believe that they are
impervious and like they if they if they concentrate their
energy and they believe in their mind that they, like
you said, create their own reality, and your mind would
fill in the gaps to make it real, because what
is real that's subjective. If that person believing this was
to take in a breath of chlorine gas, they would
find the object reality that they're gonna fucking die regardless

(01:22:09):
of what they believe. So while I understand that the
mind is a very powerful tool, a one hundred percent, and
it does fill in a lot of the blanks, and
you can delude yourself and or create your own reality.
I feel like some of those are the same thing.
And I'm not saying that to demean it. I'm saying
that you can, in fact train your mind to do
and respond to certain things the way you want it

(01:22:29):
to respond, one hundred percent.

Speaker 3 (01:22:31):
The skullfuck is proof of that, right, one hundred percent.

Speaker 4 (01:22:33):
But then I also believe in the realm of abject truth,
and that's just you know, that's why me and Jonathan
balance each other out in this way. He's very much
into an entirely. I don't even think he and I
live in the same reality, Like, truly, we do not
live on the same maybe the same planet, not the
same world by any fucking stretch of the imagination.

Speaker 3 (01:22:55):
Completely different. Yeah, which I do love that aspect though,
because I feel like you sometimes keep me grounded and
I sometimes get your feet off the ground.

Speaker 2 (01:23:05):
So it's a beautiful balance. Indeed, John can's deep in it.
I mean John, he's on occultist bro. I don't even
know that he was like doing all this other stuff
like he's he's doing the do.

Speaker 3 (01:23:15):
Yeah, I mean, dude, I've done sex magic. Sex magic
works like I can fucking hypnotize people, which I know,
like the there's there's like a lot of fluff and
stars around the word hypnotize. I'm just putting you into
a fucking meditative trance, is really all I'm doing. And
everybody experiences that at moments before you fall asleep. You
go into a data state, That's all I'm trying to

(01:23:35):
get you to. But within that data state, you start
actually seeing like I mean pictures and images and video
when you you almost like you believe that you're there,
I mean, whether it is a past life or not,
that's to me, that's beyond the point of even like
past life regressions. The point is always like what was

(01:23:56):
the moral of the story and what did you learn?
And how could you take that information and apply it
to your life so that you don't have to go
through those same those same problems that you know, the
old you did so to say.

Speaker 4 (01:24:07):
And I mean me, even with my beliefs, Jonathan put
me through a pass life regression, and I still am
very uncertain as to what that was.

Speaker 3 (01:24:15):
Was that my brain kind of going into a dream.

Speaker 2 (01:24:17):
They talk about it.

Speaker 4 (01:24:19):
Sure, sure it was a Muslim so all right, so
all right, for the record, if you couldn't tell by
my setup and buy the armor and ship. I'm into
night fighting. I'm into boo hurt fighting, right, So like
in m A with swords and shields and axes.

Speaker 2 (01:24:30):
Yeah, like you're hitting dudes with with swords and stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:24:33):
Yeah, this is my long story as matter of fact.

Speaker 2 (01:24:36):
But it's pretty that's pretty sick. You know what I've
been wanting to do. I've been wanting to do the
Lightsaber League here in Orlando.

Speaker 3 (01:24:42):
Those are cool.

Speaker 4 (01:24:43):
Those are cool, but this is more like this is
full contact. We get a lot of broken bones and confessions.

Speaker 3 (01:24:49):
But like, besides the point, anybody with it, but it's yeah,
they're dull in force.

Speaker 4 (01:24:53):
But my point is though, I'm into medieval history anyway,
and I actually I currently hold a noble title, which
is a whole separate conversation for another day. But yeah,
wild shit, I got a lot of wild.

Speaker 3 (01:25:04):
Things with me.

Speaker 4 (01:25:04):
Bro I'm sorry, your highness, No, now, fuck all that.
Fuck all that, it's nothing to I didn't say a
royal title.

Speaker 3 (01:25:10):
I said noble. It's different.

Speaker 4 (01:25:12):
But to the point, I'm into medieval shit, right, So
whenever Jonathan sent me through the past life regression, it
doesn't sound crazy that I would have ended up in
one of the crusades, right, But at the same time,
was that my brain just doing what my brain does
when you unleash it and just let it walk around
for a bit, or was I actually experiencing a past life?
And I'm very uncertain about this to be honest with you,

(01:25:34):
but for to answer your question about what the past
life was, right, So I essentially was. I don't even
know if I was necessarily a Muslim, but it more
than likely was. I was living in some sort of
an Arab country. Couldn't tell you which one because it
doesn't I didn't like have a map that I was
looking at, and I couldn't tell you a day and
age that I was in specifically. But I do know

(01:25:54):
that I was at least a guy of Arabic descent,
and I did fight in at least some sort of
a battle, which, based off of the armor and the
weapons that I was using, I would say was sometime
around the first possibly second Crusade, but I'm leaning more
towards the first, and this guy my person was apparently
fighting with the Europeans. So that's why I'm not one

(01:26:16):
hundred percent sure what is religious beliefs were, whatever the case, was,
but I was a traveler. I didn't actually have a
home to call for myself. I kind of roam from
place to place. There was a spot where I stopped
in at a village and they were farmers, goat farmers
were not mistaking or sheep something along like that.

Speaker 3 (01:26:35):
And I was very well received.

Speaker 4 (01:26:37):
By the people in that village, although, like you know,
it wasn't like I was coming home by any means.
It was more like I was on a travel, a
travel to somewhere, and I was stopping in to say
hey to some old friends kind of thing.

Speaker 3 (01:26:49):
The old lady that was cooking for.

Speaker 4 (01:26:50):
Everybody, her name was was it Oma or Orla something
like that.

Speaker 3 (01:26:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:26:56):
And then when the time came and I finally died,
I was alone, and I gave whatever money was left
in my pocket to this girl, this woman, young lady
to kind of tend to me until I passed out away,
and she was gonna take whatever I had left.

Speaker 3 (01:27:13):
And I was like very at peace with that.

Speaker 4 (01:27:14):
I didn't have kids, I didn't have a wife, I
didn't have land or titles or any of these things.

Speaker 3 (01:27:19):
But I was also at peace with that at the
time of my death, And say it was.

Speaker 4 (01:27:23):
It was a very interesting experience. Now, with that being said,
was that one a past life that this soul has
experienced circa a millennia ago?

Speaker 3 (01:27:34):
Okay, that's a that's a conversation.

Speaker 4 (01:27:37):
Is it equally possible that, because I'm into medieval shit anyway,
that this is what would happen when my brain goes
into a dream state and gets let off the leash
and just walks around and creates the reality before it.

Speaker 3 (01:27:48):
Okay, that's also a conversation to have.

Speaker 4 (01:27:50):
I do want to do it again another past life progression,
to see if something completely out of left field comes
out or not, Because I mean, you hear these stories
of people that like, oh yeah, I was totally Joan
of Arc in a past life. Oh I was Julius Caesar.
And I'm like, I'm sorry, y'all, every single person on
earth was not some person of.

Speaker 3 (01:28:08):
Note from a past life.

Speaker 4 (01:28:09):
It's very possible you were a Chinese farm girl that
died of typhoid fever or something, you know what I mean. Like,
it's not every one of these are glorious, but like
this wasn't. I wasn't some lord, you know what I mean,
who like I could look up in history and all this.

Speaker 3 (01:28:23):
I had a pretty.

Speaker 4 (01:28:25):
Quote unquote normal ish life for the day and age
that I went back to, so it was interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:28:29):
But I will say that, you know, I've done probably
close to two hundred and fifty past life regressions like
get administered them, and nobody, nobody that I can remember,
was ever anybody that you would know, like most of
the time, it's you know what Dolores can and this
is who I really learned it all from, or you
know her work. She would call them like normal like

(01:28:52):
digging potatoes lives and you could have just been a
fucking potato farmer and every day is just about the
same as the next. And but then you'll get some
weird ones where you're like some kind of watcher, or
you're some kind of energy or maybe you are some
kind of different being on another world or something like that.
As a matter of fact, just last night I hypnotized

(01:29:14):
somebody for the show and and she was a fucking
fractal being. So try and you know, come up with
questions for that. It was pretty difficult. But I mean,
crazy shit can go on in here, and you are
unleashing the mind, and that's the thing, you know, whenever
you allow yourself to get to that data state of
you know, it's it's basically like, all right, here's an example.

(01:29:37):
Whenever you go to sleep at night, have you ever
started dreaming before you fell asleep on Yes, it's that.
That's where we're trying to go, and so you can
experience wild shit in your dreams. I think about that
all the time, like, and this is why it's important
to you know, go to sleep with like positive u

(01:30:00):
positive things on your minds, because if you go to
sleep all angry or depressed or anxious or anything like that,
that's pretty much like how a lot of nightmares happened.
So you want to make sure you're going to sleep happy,
you know. But the idea that he was able to
go and experience that past life, that specific past life,
you know, with his interest in real life in regards

(01:30:23):
to the night fighting and shit, this is where it
starts to get a little weird because it's not necessarily
chicken or the egg. It's more like chicken or the
egg or the egg or the chicken at that point.
So let me just take you down this rabbit hole.
The re all right, so let's assume let's play a
little game here. Is it possible that because he had

(01:30:46):
the past life where he was a night is the
reason why he loves all the night shit in this reality. Yes,
you could say that. I mean, just as simply like
we don't know exactly what came first chicken or the
egg or you know that kind of thing, like we
all have very specific interests.

Speaker 2 (01:31:04):
Well, did you identify with it for like someary, because
it's like in your genetics in some sort of way, right, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:31:10):
Yeah, Like I mean I love football, I love like
all of the metaphysical kind of shit. Well, I mean,
could you say then that maybe that's a version, Uh,
maybe I lived a version of my life that I
was into those things before you could easily say that.
So you know, I do get the aspect of Jacob thinking, well,

(01:31:31):
I only had that past life because night fighting was
like kind of on my mind and that's what I'm
obsessed with anyway. But you got to look at it
the other way too. It's not just so sitting stone
like that.

Speaker 4 (01:31:39):
And that's why I'm saying I'm unclear honestly, even with
my logic brain and even with all like I'm I
honestly says.

Speaker 2 (01:31:46):
A lot, though, Jacob, because you seem like a pretty
skeptical guy, healthy skepticism, and for you to say that
says a lot as to like what you experience was
quote unquote real. You know it was.

Speaker 4 (01:32:00):
Crazy, bro, the sounds, the smells, the taste of the food,
as long as you wanted to. I think our last
ours lasted for like two and a half maybe.

Speaker 3 (01:32:09):
Two and a half hours, yeah, a half hours. Everybody's
different too. And you know what's really crazy about it
is that you don't know how long you're in there,
just the same as like, you know, you could have
a whole life happen in a dream that you're taking
a nap on your couch for fifteen minutes. It's the
same thing in this realm to where you know you'll
you'll go through the entire life. I take you through

(01:32:31):
the death process. You get to see what it's like,
you know, the moment that you die, Like are you
able to look down at your body? Where do you
go whenever you die? Are you met by any kind
of entities or beings whenever you die? And then I
you know, uh uh like get to ask the higher
self certain questions, which is pretty crazy. I think that's
going on there. But there's a lot of wild shit

(01:32:52):
that goes on in these but it is, it is
so fascinating trying to figure out where all of this
information is coming from, you know, like what I was
talking about earlier as far as like the questions at
the end. So what I do is that I take
you to take you through a past life, take you
through the death process, and then what happens is is

(01:33:12):
that I'm talking to your subconscious mind or your higher self.

Speaker 2 (01:33:15):
How do you know someone's not bullshitting you, though, Johnathan, Like,
how do you know they're just making stuff up?

Speaker 3 (01:33:20):
Because it's not for me, it's for them. And so
if they're bullshitting, they're just bullshitting themselves. I don't really
care if they're lying personally, Like that's that's it's not
for me. So he've been doing this two hundred and
fifty times.

Speaker 4 (01:33:32):
If somebody's just coming up with random shit off the wall,
and like, okay, he's still going through the meditations and
he's still you know, asking the question.

Speaker 2 (01:33:38):
This is so crazy, bro, I kind of want to
do it, but I'm scared.

Speaker 3 (01:33:41):
Oh no, don't be scared, brother.

Speaker 4 (01:33:43):
Nothing about this is nothing about this is scary. You've
have you ever done like a guided meditation? No, I've
never done any Okay, long story short. He would have
you close your eyes, he would ask you a picture,
some stuff. He would kind of before you know it,
you follow and just kind of do what he's telling
you to do. Thinking wise, your eyes are closed, you're
laying down.

Speaker 3 (01:34:02):
You're comfortable, and your body's asleep. Yeah, your body.

Speaker 4 (01:34:06):
And for the record, it's not like you feel like
you've left your body. You're very present, like you're you're cool.
If something was to come up and slap you, like
you would you would respond accordingly. Like it's not like
you're in a uh, you know, you're transcending these things.

Speaker 3 (01:34:18):
You're very aware of what's.

Speaker 4 (01:34:19):
Up, but you're more or less just describing what you're
seeing and explaining the situation. And he's not trying to
tell you you know what you're seeing.

Speaker 3 (01:34:28):
Yeah, he's asking you what you're seeing.

Speaker 4 (01:34:30):
You're just answering with what you're hearing, where you are, like,
what's around.

Speaker 3 (01:34:34):
You, this type of shit, whatever it is that you're experiencing.
I'm just asking questions. And the worst thing that you
know a past live progression practitioner can do is lead
you and just certain things. That's that's like, now I'm
trying to create your story. That's not what I'm trying
to do. I'm just asking questions, trying to get as
many details as possible. Are you a man? Are you

(01:34:56):
a woman? What color are the clothes that you're wearing?
Are you wearing shoes? You know? What do you see
around you? Who are the people you're communicating with? What
are the what are the scenes of what's happening in
that particular moment. I can take you and move you
to an important day. It's do a lot of stuff
happens within those It is freaking fascinating. But what I

(01:35:17):
was going back to to saying is is that ninety
nine percent of people that have a past life regression,
I ask them. I say, all right, before you look
at the clock, how long do you think that lasted?
And almost everybody guesses that it's under an hour. Thirty
forty minutes is like the usual answer. And then I'm like,
all right, you think it's thirty four minutes, look up

(01:35:38):
at the clock, and it's always an hour has gone by,
two hours have gone by, three hours have gone by.
Because it's it's the it's the mind. You know, the mind.
It's like it doesn't care so much about time, like
time is only for this physical reality.

Speaker 2 (01:35:55):
So I don't know, it's cool. So when you say that, right,
the mind is going crazy? You said, releasing the mind
right and letting it do what it does? Is the
mind the same thing as consciousness? Like can we say
that is that a thing is mine and consciousness the same?

Speaker 3 (01:36:14):
Not necessarily, not necessarily, So I would say that they're
you know, their neighbors for sure. But like, whenever you
go and meditate, you know, the goal is is to
uh not give any of your emotion or any of
your attention to your thoughts. Your mind is generating those

(01:36:35):
thoughts and it's up to you whether you latch onto
them or if you don't. And so the idea is
is that I always try and come up with like
whenever I'm trying to go go into a meditation, I
imagine that I'm like this old dude sitting on a
porch in my rock and chair, and I'm just watching
traffic go by. But each car that goes by is
an individual thought, and I can choose to look at

(01:36:56):
that car and I can choose to observe that car
and observe that but I but if I'm trying to
get to the meditative state, I know that I just
got to let that car go. You know, maybe take
a little look whatever. Maybe it's a cool car. But
for the most part, you're trying to let all thoughts
go because that is the monkey mind, like that is
that's the that's the thing that thinks that it knows everything,

(01:37:18):
and so you're trying to detach from that. And Dolores
Cannon and a lot of other people who are into
this hypnosis, they'll say that you have a left brain
and a right and a right brain, and that left
brain is more your your calculated type of brain, where
you're where you know whatever you need. That that helps
keep you logical is your left brain. Right it's your

(01:37:38):
analytical brain. Where your right brain. And this is why
most women, dude, women are so much easier to hypnotize
than men. It's not even funny, but the reason is,
and the reason why men and women don't get along
oftentimes is because women are more right brain. Men are
more left brain. We're more analytical, we're more logical, where
they're more emotion driven. And so I'm trying to get

(01:37:59):
you to that emotional driven state to where you're not
necessarily worried. Oh well, I'm just thinking about this. It's
not logical. Then I'm actually seeing this. I'm trying to
cancel that part out of you. So it is the mind,
but it's a peace of the mind. It's not the
whole mind.

Speaker 2 (01:38:16):
No, Because the way the reason I say this is
because you know, if consciousness is this interdimensional thing, right
that's able to just go throughout time, ignore the boundaries
of everything, and then attach itself to you know, the
crusade Jacob, you know, and do whatever it does, and
then you're able to bring it back like that. That

(01:38:37):
makes sense to me. I got an eat. I think
it was an email one time or something or other
from some lady or I think I might've been a DM. Anyways,
she said that I was a No, it was an astrologer.
She did a reading for me, like an in depth reading,
and she said that in a past life I could
have been an alchemist. And again, I'm into the occult

(01:38:59):
and I'm into all this other stuff in my signs
lined up with something about like fire and shit and
all this other stuff. So like that that would probably
be interesting. But like the fact that this is a
like a thing, bro, that you're able to and a
part of me. The logical side is anyone can make

(01:39:20):
up a good story. You know, we were mentioned earlier,
like it's all about good storytelling. The mind can make anything.
Like when you're in a float tank. Right, when you're
in a sensory deprivation tank, which I've done that, your
mind goes wild. Oh yeah, right, You're like in this
endless void. You're just floating there and you start to

(01:39:41):
detach yourself from like your body, like you're just a
floating head essentially. And I've been I've been into like
deep space, I've been at the bottom of the ocean.
I've been through gally like, I've been through all those
places in that And how you said, Dude, as soon
as you know, you book a three hour float session

(01:40:01):
and then all of a sudden you see the tank
line up and the insights over, Bro, what.

Speaker 3 (01:40:07):
Like I always wanted to do that.

Speaker 2 (01:40:10):
I was only in there for five minutes. What are
you talking about, It's already over. So again, I find
it super fascinating. But the fact that people are able
to bullshit stuff. And what I always what I've always
found so amazing is people who can create entire universes
like you know, the Game of Thrones universe, of Star
Wars universe of Star Treking. There are people in our reality,

(01:40:33):
in our time who can create other alternate reality with
straight up lure. Look at the guy from Lord of
the Rings making an entire language, right told, making an
entire language. So the fact that people can do that,
that's why I'm asking, like how you're saying if they're
doing it for themselves, So if they are bullshitting you,
it doesn't matter to you. But for you know, the

(01:40:54):
something that people always go public with, either a bigfoot
sighting or an alien abduction or like a UFO siding,
people can make that shit out. I've seen fifty UFOs guys.

Speaker 3 (01:41:06):
But there's a lot of things that you would admit
are absolutely real that you absolutely cannot prove. So for example,
and I'll give you an example, is like if you
just told me a dream, I could choose to accept
that you're actually telling me, you know what actually happened
in that dream. There's no way of me knowing that,
but you experienced that. So and the same thing of

(01:41:28):
like like if you got kids, right, Like, you can
say I love my kids, Well, how do you prove that?
I mean you can prove it through actions and prove
it through always being there, but how do you prove
that you emotionally feel love? Like, how do you prove
that Wi fi is all around us? It's like you
can't see it, Like a lot of this shit is uh,

(01:41:48):
it is illogical, you know, but that doesn't mean that
it's fake.

Speaker 2 (01:41:54):
You bring yeah, you bring up a good point, like
the wind is there. You can feel it, but you
can't see it. I mean, that's that's something that right
that we can all agree on and you.

Speaker 3 (01:42:03):
Can see it if it's up against something else.

Speaker 2 (01:42:06):
And the the one there's a quote I think is
reality is we're all we're all constantly hallucinating, but reality
is whatever whenever we all can collectively agree on the
hallucination reality and we look it up here.

Speaker 3 (01:42:25):
Subjective reality at that point.

Speaker 2 (01:42:27):
Yeah, so yeah, so reality is the world as it is. Well,
Annale Seth, this is the guy. So reality is a
controlled hallucination, is what he said, and he has another
quotes longer than that, or he's like, you.

Speaker 3 (01:42:42):
Know, crazy that that is that would determine reality because
they have done like like group trips, where you know,
a group of people will get on some kind of
psychedelic and they're all collectively experiencing the same thing. So
does that prove that they were in a different reality?
If everybody is experiencing the same thing within their own mind,

(01:43:05):
what's that then? But that's also extremely hard to accomplish.

Speaker 2 (01:43:09):
It does happen, It does happen.

Speaker 4 (01:43:11):
That this is I'm not saying like, oh, well, you know, no, no, no, no,
it is a real thing that has happened.

Speaker 3 (01:43:17):
But I don't even know what the success rate for
that is.

Speaker 4 (01:43:19):
I mean, they have groups that do ayahuasca retreats, right
every weekend they have another group goes out, and it
is rare, rare as fuck that even more than one
person experienced the same thing like that.

Speaker 3 (01:43:32):
Yeah, but it does happen. Yeah, I mean I've never
experienced it, but I believe that it does happen. And
it's like, those stories are what really get me, dude.
Whenever it's like, you know, we we think that the
reality that they're explaining is a subjective reality. But if
multiple people are reporting talking to the same being, and oh, yeah,

(01:43:53):
you remember what whenever I told you, you know, go
fuck yourself whenever we were over there, that was funny.
And the other person be like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
fuck you too or whatever. But they're basically like, how
could they have known? Like some people there was a
podcast and I can't remember his name, but he was
recently on the Joe Rogan Show less than a month ago,
and he was going into the idea of like remote

(01:44:16):
viewing and shit like that. But basically they were trying
to It was him and somebody else that was working
as a contractor for the government or something like that.
But they put themselves in two separate rooms and they
went to try and meditate. It wasn't even a trip.
It was just a meditation, and they knew where to go,

(01:44:37):
and they were like, I don't remember exactly where it was.
It could have been a fucking base on the moon
for all I know, or somewhere in some desolate region.
There's no way that you would be able to have
a full long conversation, see the same exact things, remember everything,
and then bring it back before those two ever even
get the opportunity to see each other. So what they're

(01:44:59):
doing is they'll put him in two separate rooms, they'll
record what they saw, and then after they record, they
reconvene and say, this is what I saw, What did
you say? Or what did you see? And that is
how they're able to like essentially prove that, you know,
people aren't bullshitting in line because they were separate, like
it was a controlled environment at that point. So I

(01:45:20):
don't know what to do with that. I would love
to experience that one day. That would be really awesome.
But I mean, it is a real thing, dude. I
think it's just a practice thing though.

Speaker 2 (01:45:29):
So and Nil sas said, we're all hallucinating all the time.
When we agree about our hallucination, we call it reality.
And I've heard stories like how what you guys are
talking about. I had a friend of mine who did
an ayahuasca retreat and somewhere in South America or I
don't remember where. And I'm going to take this as
one does as one does, and I'm going to take

(01:45:50):
his word for what he told me. But he said
that when they were when they would be in the
group after there was a girl that mentioned something about
like pretty much she was alluding that she was gonna
be abducted right by these entities, and she described them,
and there was another person in the group that was like, man,

(01:46:10):
I hated those things. They kept trying to get me.
They kept trying to take me as well. And the
other one of the girls had experienced being taken by
what again she had described, and then the other person
had to kind of agree like I saw them and
they were trying to get they didn't get to her.
But again this sort of shared hallucination is that like, again,
the do these substances because I was bro look at

(01:46:33):
this Rogan shirt, like I was obsessed with psychedelics when
I first started like podcasting, because it's one of those
things that it's so amazing how you can hypnotize people
and take them through these past life progressions. So amazing
that you can take this thing that grows from the
ground or even write DMT that is something that you

(01:46:56):
could prepare yourself with like regular household items and things, right,
and you take that and you blast off into this
other thing or what you're perceiving as is another place.
Like that concept to me led me to grow my
own psilocybin, like study mycology and do all this other
stuff and then when I finally took it, I saw demons.

(01:47:20):
It was the craziest thing. And I took it at
the peak of twenty twenty. And it's funny because I
put I was trying to find I had the so
my keyboard, I had seven fingers, by the way, like
when I was like tripping my balls off. I first
I started, I was playing World of Warcraft as it

(01:47:40):
was coming up. I ate like I ate a peanut
butter sandwich with honey and the dried mushrooms in it.
And I was playing World of Warcraft with my friends.
We were like on Discord or something, and when it
started to kick in, like the visualsal like crazy, and
I couldn't stop laughing. Like I got to the point
I was like I was gonna throw up from like

(01:48:00):
laughing so hard. And my friends already knew I had
kicked in. They're like, this dude's laughing his ass, and
I'm like, bro, I'm having a great time until I wasn't.
And the visuals just got way too like you know,
World of Warcift. We're running like dungeons and there's like
flame beings and I'm like I can't, like I can't,
so I got off, and I was trying to find
At one point, when I logged off a World of Warcraft,

(01:48:21):
I looked down. I kept seeing six fingers, not seven
six fingers. I kept seeing an extra digit. Every time
I looked down, I kept seeing an extra digit, and
I like shake it off with my hand. I'm like,
what the hell's going on. I looked at my keyboard,
and my keyboard was like endless towards this way, endless
towards that way, and the keys were like not Anchian,

(01:48:46):
but some sort of like like Mandaloria. You've ever seen
like the writing in Mandaloria where it's like it looked
like that. I was this is the first time ever
I had done anything like this, right, My curiosity led
me to like this point where here I was hiding
the mushrooms from my wife and my closet, right growing
them in this little girl bag and all this shit,

(01:49:07):
and she found about one pushes. What the hell are
you doing? I was like, hey, they're a little right
or whatever. So then I had the I had the
whole setup. Bro, I had did the whole thing, and
it led me to this point, and I'm trying to
calm my mind because everything on the computer was screaming
at me like it was. I put on a Mars documentary,
couldn't stand it. I put on all this. I put

(01:49:29):
on Joe Rogan with Brian Callen. Oh yeah, Rogan had
black eyes. He was a he was a deep he
had blacked out eyes, like his eyes were black. And
I'm watching them and then they're you know when podcasts

(01:49:50):
cut back and forth and like bobo, I couldn't keep
up with like the cutting and the coming back and come,
I'm like what And they were speaking, but I couldn't
understand what they were saying. And Brian Callen, when I
saw him on the screen in this very seat that
I'm sitting in, he looked like Baphomet, like he had
like the head of a like a donkey, like it

(01:50:12):
was like this, and then he had one, two, like
three set of eyes black and then I'd look away
and I'd look back and it'd be Brian. Then he'd
morph back into that demon. So I shut that off, dude,
And the entire time, I'm like, I'm having audio hallucinations too.

(01:50:32):
I had earphones in and my earphones felt like they
were in my ears and in my head, like around
my neck like in My Body bro where I had
to take my headphones off right. So the only thing
I could bear to watch was Our World on Netflix.
I tried, Oh, I tried watching The Office Demonic Dwight

(01:50:58):
a fucking demon, a demon man, he was a demon,
the whole cast demonic. I was like, yeah, I'm turning this.
The only thing I could bear to watch was Our
World on Netflix, Our Planet or something like that. And
I remember watching this and you know, some some episodes

(01:51:23):
are the Ocean. Other episodes are like the r Tic
and you know, they show like the little Baby Seal
and then they showed a sea lion eating the baby
seal or no, it was a it was a baby seal,
and then a polar bear eating the baby seals head,
and I'm like tripping my dick.

Speaker 3 (01:51:38):
I'm like, oh my god, this is the one that
Morgan Freeman is narrating.

Speaker 2 (01:51:44):
I think so.

Speaker 4 (01:51:45):
No, it was like if you're ever in a bad trip,
the voice of Morgan Freeman, calm me down.

Speaker 2 (01:51:50):
It wasn't English. I want to say. It was an
English guy. He had an at I don't remember, I don't.
I have to look it up. But he again, I'm
watching this and I'm then I'm thinking.

Speaker 4 (01:51:58):
To the Nature document to calm them down. Then you
watch a polar bear fucking murk a.

Speaker 2 (01:52:03):
Baby, because the way it starts, bro, that's the way
it started. Would start with like, oh, look at this
beautiful ocean and this little baby peng when swimming around.
Here comes the sea lion and it would show like
the predator aspect boot demolished it. And then I remember
seeing the elephant seals, and they zoomed into the elephant seals,

(01:52:23):
but every time I would see a group of animals,
I would see the group of animals but endlessly, like
you know, you know in a cartoon, when like there's
something coming at it and it's like endless, and it's
like coming at you, coming at you, coming at you
like that, like it never ends. All the fish they
kept like swirling back. I'm like, why the fuck are
there so many? When they showed the elephant seals and

(01:52:44):
they showed the landscape, it was endless elephant seals as
far as the eye could see, and I'm like, why
the fuck are there's so many elephant seals? What is happening?
And then they show them might these elephant seals, they're
all migraine and shit. And the elephant seals are climbing
up on these mountains and these cliffs higher and higher

(01:53:07):
because of global warming, because humanity is a cancer and
whatever humanity and humans touch, they destroy. And my mind
starts telling me myself that we're a cancer, we're destroying,
We're death. And these elephant seals are climbing higher and higher,
trying to get colder and colder. It's a two ton animal,

(01:53:28):
so it gets to a point where there's not enough
room on the cliff for them, and they start pushing
each other off. So you're watching this two ton animal
on this documentary tumble to its death boom, heading every
rock down, blood out of its mouth, and I'm tripping
my balls off and I'm like, I start crying. Bro.
I was bawling, we're doing this to the elephant seals,

(01:53:52):
like this is the craziest shit.

Speaker 3 (01:53:54):
Like see your wife walks in the room like, babe, no,
real bad. The funny part was.

Speaker 2 (01:54:03):
I went out to my living room and I have
a fish tank and I'm putting my hand on the
glass and I'm like, why am I doing this to you?
Like I have an arijuana that's like huge because he's
killed everybody in the tank or he ate everyone. And
I'm like, what am I doing this to you?

Speaker 3 (01:54:19):
Bro?

Speaker 2 (01:54:20):
Like I'm like crying to my fish in my living room,
like why you know, because again the mushrooms were telling me, like,
you know, we need to be better humans. Like it
made me reflect internally of things that I was doing
at the time, you know, certain things. Honestly, it changed
my life, Like it had like a crazy, crazy trip,
but it changed my like it made me appreciate life.

(01:54:40):
And at three in the morning, right because I did
this at that's witching out eleven o'clock. Yeah, I started
at eleven o'clock and I tripped my balls off to
like six in the morning. At three in the morning,
I had texted my wife are you awake? Because I
wanted a hug. So the next day it's.

Speaker 3 (01:55:00):
The Great Teacher for a reason.

Speaker 2 (01:55:02):
Bro, it was the crazies. The next thing, she's like, uh,
why'd you text her? Was like, oh, yesterday I took mushrooms.
She's like, oh, so you were tripping her. I was like, yeah,
I needed a hug. But towards the end of my trip,
I started watching Prometheus, the alien movie. Oh my god, Bro,
that is the craziest thing. Like, when I was coming
down from the trip, I wasn't like peaking, But when

(01:55:24):
I was peaking, it like came in these waves and
I kept hearing like, uh, I don't know. I want
to say it was the universe. I don't know what.
I don't know what it was that was telling me
like different aspects of my life that I needed to fix.
So if you ever not want to hear about like
the bad things that you do in your life, don't
take mushrooms because they will reveal to you what you

(01:55:46):
are neglecting or like what you're failing to face. And
that was the first and only time I've done mushrooms.
And I have the utmost respect for the substance for
these little aliens essentially that grow because again they will

(01:56:08):
show you things. And again I didn't believe in any
of that shit. Bro, I was like, this is crazy. Again.

Speaker 3 (01:56:13):
Remember I was like.

Speaker 2 (01:56:13):
Twenty four years old. I never I had never smoked me.
I started smoking when I started podcasting. Right Like again,
I started doing all these things because you listen to
rog again, and you listen to all these guys and
then you get sucked into it and hey, curiosity killed
the cat. And sometimes it was that the Pika twenty twenty,
right in like April, when everything was like getting shut down,

(01:56:38):
and I was like, yo, if I have a psychotic
break and I have to go to the hospital, I'm
gonna get sick and I'm gonna die. So that just
drove my anxiety even more. But honestly, the entire time,
I had like the worst anxiety you could ever have,
and it would like come in. I could feel it, bro.
It would like it would like calm now, and then

(01:57:00):
I could feel the wave coming back. I was like
and I kept telling like no, no, no, please, no please,
and then it would just be like holy shit, Like
I could see like I don't know what I was saying, Bro,
I could like feel the universe.

Speaker 5 (01:57:11):
Like at the peak of the craziest shit, and it
was like oh, and then it would let me go
and I was like I remember telling I was like
talking to my sol, I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:57:21):
Like, I don't want to be here anymore. I don't
want to be here, like I want this to stop.
But there was like that little voice. I was like, no, motherfucker,
you wanted to be here. Now We're in it now,
there's no turning back.

Speaker 3 (01:57:34):
And it was just wa.

Speaker 2 (01:57:35):
Man ringing me the whole fucking night, and I'm like,
I just wanna these animals man, like whatever, you know,
we're killing the elephant seals. And it changed my life, bro.
And the next day I was like in between the
two realities a little bit, like when I woke up
and it made me like, I remember looking at my
kids and I'm like, are you real? I wanted to

(01:57:57):
make sure that they weren't like an hallucination. I'm like
are you And I could feel like a sense of appreciation.
It's the weird bro, It's the weirdest shit, Like I
can't even describe it.

Speaker 3 (01:58:06):
It is potent, powerful and not for the weak of
mind for sure, Like if you got shit that you
gotta work on, it can be a very powerful tool
in that sense, Like if you're looking for some kind
of answers, what do I want deeply internally? What do
I want out of my life? Am I supposed to
be with this person? Am I supposed to be doing

(01:58:28):
this job? You know? Should I stop hanging around these
friends or whatever? Right? Like, it'll show you, dude, And
it'll show you in very very graphic ways because your
emotions will manifest. That's the craziest thing about you know,
psychedelics is is that whatever you're thinking, you almost see

(01:58:48):
and it almost feels like the mushrooms are trying to
get you to see something specifically, But it's just because
the mushrooms in your mind are so interwoven like DNA
strands at that point, you know, and so they're like
feeding off of each other. And so yeah, I mean
if you go into if you go into like any
kind of psychedelic trip and a bad mood, bro, good

(01:59:12):
luck in there. Like it is going to be fucking horrific.
You're gonna learn a lot of shit about yourself in there,
There's no doubt about that. And the same thing with
like DMT and four Aco d MT and you know whatever.
But like all of these different psychedelics, dude, they are
so they're magical, Like that's what that's why they're magic mushrooms,
you know, Like like you talked about like how how

(01:59:36):
basically it's like, uh, you said, the curiosity killed the cat, right,
But it's like, but then that cat was reborn. It
was almost like a little fucking baptism. That's that's the
way I felt too, because I had like an ego
death with d MT at one time, and it's fucking nuts.
It does change your life, though.

Speaker 2 (01:59:53):
It did, dude, and I don't I don't want to
go back to that place.

Speaker 3 (01:59:57):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:59:57):
I'll be honest with the You'll people like, oh, do
you you just had a bad trip? Just do it again?

Speaker 3 (02:00:01):
Nope?

Speaker 2 (02:00:02):
Nope, Like you can you can have fun with that,
like unless you're gonna do it in a sort of
controlled environment, like I have a buddy of mine that
lives in Jamaica and he does like you know, cause
it's good for rehab and stuff, right, like it's a
medicine and he does guided trips where they give people
but there's somebody there taking. I was alone, dude, in
my room on a Friday night, you know, et eleven

(02:00:24):
o'clock at night, where I thought it was fun. My
friends were egging me on on discord like yeah, dude,
take it. You're gonna You're gonna be fine. And that
wasn't I mean, how much.

Speaker 3 (02:00:34):
You're taking, you know, if you're just trying to have
like you're trying to see pretty colors and be putting
a good, giggly kind of mood. Then you know, just
take a cup like a gram or you know, two
grams or something like that, like microna. Stop drinking.

Speaker 2 (02:00:48):
Yeah, it helps, man, really.

Speaker 3 (02:00:50):
Yeah, I was. I was bad off with alcohol for
a good while there.

Speaker 4 (02:00:54):
And I wouldn't say I was like, you know, a
raging alcohol agree with that stuff, but it was. It
was to a point to where it was affecting my
day to day negatively, right, Yeah, And so instead of
coming home and cracking a beer, I would come home
and take like two mushrooms, which for me, I have
a very high tolerance as far as psychedelics goes.

Speaker 3 (02:01:18):
It was enough for me, and.

Speaker 4 (02:01:19):
I would yeah, I see, like the colors would get
a little more vibrant. But I was still able to
like handle like life, what was going on around me.

Speaker 3 (02:01:26):
I wasn't just like sitting there just zen'd out looking
at the wall. I was doing what I normally would do.

Speaker 2 (02:01:30):
Now.

Speaker 4 (02:01:30):
I wasn't like driving, I was responsible, you know what
I mean. But I was still cooking dinner. I was
still doing whatever I was doing. And it caught me
to quit drinking, because when you drink with that, it
kills the psychedelic effects. Oh wow, Why would I cut
this short, you know what I mean. Yeah, and it
would wear off by the time I was going to
bed again. It was a very it was a microdose.
So yeah, after you do that for about you know,

(02:01:51):
two months, three months, wherever the case is, it's not
like I just have this burning desire to go trip
balls again, although like I could if I wanted to,
I don't have a desire to. And it also got
it to where because that's the thing. When you have
somebody that is addicted to something, they constantly want more
of it. And after two months of not having a
sip of alcohol, it was like, I don't actually want alcohol.

Speaker 3 (02:02:14):
I don't even want to. I don't need it.

Speaker 4 (02:02:16):
I don't you know, it's not enjoyable like it once
was when I was twenty, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (02:02:20):
It just it definitely helped break the cycle.

Speaker 4 (02:02:22):
And then it's not like mushrooms where a thing where
I felt like I just needed them too.

Speaker 3 (02:02:27):
When the time came and I.

Speaker 4 (02:02:28):
Realized that they had served their purpose, I just put
them down.

Speaker 3 (02:02:32):
So yeah, yeah, yeah, they're freaking awesome, dude, but definitely
not to be abused. Like that's something that like whenever
I trip I mean at most I'll trip like once
every four months, but I'm not doing them back to back.
And to be honest with you, like I've my first
time trip and I was like, oh my god, this

(02:02:53):
is so awesome and I experienced like some wild shit right,
and so I was like, oh, I want to go
back there. I want to check it out. It was
like a real good trip and I felt like I
garnered like a lot of knowledge and shit from it.
And I tried going back there like two or three
days later. You have to allow your system to like
recuperate a little bit because it starts not being as

(02:03:13):
potent after a while, you know, and you could even
build a tolerance, you could even double the dosage, and
it's like you're not necessarily going to get to where
you were. It has to be like a once every
so often kind of thing. Like I haven't trips since
the summer, and I'm I'm good for the next couple
of months at least.

Speaker 2 (02:03:32):
I haven't tripped since twenty twenty and I'm not going
I'm not going back. Boys, the psychle not life is
not for me. And it's like, yeah, I took two
point eight grams and when I asked my when I know.
When I told my friend, he's like, that's a decently
you know, for a first timer.

Speaker 3 (02:03:47):
That's all solid dose. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:03:49):
Yeah, So he's like, yeah, you're lucky.

Speaker 3 (02:03:51):
You know.

Speaker 2 (02:03:51):
Some people wake up, you know, naked in their in
their room, crying on the floor, you know, wrapped up
in their blanket because they're just seeing some crazy shit.
And it didn't get to that point for me, but
definitely cried. I talked to my fish a lot. I
cried over it, and I apologized to him, you know,
because I had him in and uh, yeah, it's wild man, but.

Speaker 3 (02:04:14):
Experience wild in there, dude. I fucking talked to seg
Met and I talked to your boy Ronnie Pontiac about it,
and I didn't know it was segment, but basically like
this cat being like a cat person, and he goes, oh, yeah,
that was segment. I was like, what the fuck, Like,
how did I even mind know that?

Speaker 4 (02:04:28):
You know, we now this is the third different version
of what that cat being was.

Speaker 3 (02:04:33):
Tell me what segment is. No, it's the same thing.

Speaker 4 (02:04:36):
I'm saying, Like we've heard somebody stay it was this
type of being. Then somebody else said, no, that's not it's.

Speaker 3 (02:04:41):
Not a not a Limerian. What was the other one
they had said? It was a uh shit, I know
you're talking about.

Speaker 4 (02:04:48):
People come on and say, oh no, the cat beings.
Oh that's totally this what a.

Speaker 3 (02:04:52):
Sec met segment was basically this uh, this ancient Egyptian
goddess and her dad was one of the guys I
don't remember, I don't know all the characters in Egypt,
but of Osiris or something like that. Sure, but second
met and basically this it was like a cat person

(02:05:13):
kind of deity thing. And this one was like very
dangerous and what had like a blood lust and like
would go around killing people just because she wanted to
get high off of their blood and all that shit.
But it was known that she was a like a
bit of a scarlet or yeah. Yeah, And and so

(02:05:37):
whenever I was tripping, I was especially going through like
a bad time in my life, and she came and
like started cuddling up on me in my bed, bro
Like I felt her, like I felt her fucking body
up against me. I felt her, I felt her actual
purring vibrating up against my body. And and so you know,

(02:05:58):
I said that to Ronnie, and I was like dude.
It was so strange because for some reason, I'm going
through this very hard time and she's like basically trying
to be there for me. But I felt so bad
because I was getting horny from it. I was like, dude,
get your fucking mind out of the gutter for one second.
Just appreciate it for what it is. He goes, oh, no, yeah,
that was segment, like that's the effect that she has,
and I was like, what, that's like a real, real thing.

(02:06:19):
And then you find out the story of seg Met,
where basically Osiris or whoever was basically he was like, well,
look you're going around and you're you're killing everybody, and
he was like, there's not going to be anybody left
to be able to worship me anymore. And so he
tricked her into drinking this other kind of blood like

(02:06:40):
substance probably and I don't know it was it was red,
but it was, but anyway, so she went down and
drank it, and then she evolved into this other character
known as Hathor, and Hathor is supposed to be, you know,
like this loving, kind goddess lady. So it's like the

(02:07:01):
dichotomy of the two of the two things, and I
don't know, crazy story. I mean, those Egyptian stories are wild.

Speaker 4 (02:07:08):
Yeah, a lot of those Mediterranean pagan pantheons are wild
as fuck. The Greeks, the majority of the stories are
Zeus not being able to keep it in his pants, right,
the Romans, it's mostly Jupiter not being able to keep
it in his pants. You look at the entirety of
the Egyptian lore like it's it's it's wild.

Speaker 3 (02:07:26):
I mean, I've gone on.

Speaker 4 (02:07:26):
About how Toth got his coum crown from from Seth
and Horace and that.

Speaker 3 (02:07:30):
Whole debacle, and it's it's just it's wild. And I'm
not saying that in a demeaning way.

Speaker 4 (02:07:35):
I'm saying that, like, yeah, those those pantheons tend to
be very sexually driven.

Speaker 3 (02:07:41):
Uh you know character arts if you will, Yeah, just
the mythology of them, and you know, uh, the goal
in my mind, I like to look at everything esoterically.
So do I think that there actually was a cad person? No?
I don't. I'm not going to sit here and assume
that those people believe that she actually was a real
person or whatever. They probably but for me, I like

(02:08:01):
looking at it for the esoteric understanding of it, and
whenever you think about like what do these people represent
as symbols? And so if you look at the segment
and the hath Or dichotomy, basically it kind of is
like your your left brain versus your right brain. That
one that is addicted to this material realm just needs

(02:08:22):
more materialistic shit, you know, addicted to sex, addicted to
whatever kind of substance. And then the other one who
she evolved to be, was this you know, very loving
kind of uh like loving queen goddess type of thing.
And so, I don't know, I like to I like
the esoteric understanding of it personally that I don't know

(02:08:42):
if that's the correct way to look at it, but
that's the way I interpret it.

Speaker 2 (02:08:46):
Boys, any closing thoughts on this U episode before we
get the fuck out of here?

Speaker 3 (02:08:52):
Kind of bounced all over on this one.

Speaker 2 (02:08:54):
Honestly, Yeah we did, Yeah we did. Well.

Speaker 3 (02:08:57):
Look, you know, if you try to find if you're
trying to find the Cult of Conspiracy podcast, you like
the things that we had to say here. This is
not typically the kind of conversations that we have, but
we do get a little a little weird from time
to time. But if you are interested in any kind
of conspiracies, we get into some of the esoteric kind
of shit from time to time, but we like to

(02:09:17):
stick to the conspiracies. We actually just did a show
yesterday on John Teeter, who was a time traveler. That
was a lot of fun. But we stay up to
date with a lot of the things that are going
on in the world in politics and stuff like that.
So if you're interested in that, we actually are releasing
eleven shows a week, sometimes to a day. We have

(02:09:38):
we have a we're basically trying to build like this,
this network, and so we have Josh Monday on the show,
Cosmic Peach on this show, Strange Brew comes on the show.
We just got the White Rabbit on the show, and
amongst others that are to come as well. So if
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moment of your life, I promise you you will not

(02:10:00):
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(02:11:07):
and uh, you're always a pleasure to talk to you, sir.

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