#250 | Initiation Rites, MKMagick, & The Occult Rejects with Nick - Juan on Juan

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
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Speaker 2 (00:42):
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(01:05):
Media www dot YouTube dot com, slash at tj ojppatreon
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and make sure to check out the Occult despond all
that stuff. What's up, dude?

Speaker 1 (01:20):
What's going on? Man? Yo? What have any other YouTube
I got demonetized?

Speaker 2 (01:23):
They got demonetized?

Speaker 1 (01:24):
Bro sucks, that's the follow the other one. I didn't
even know you made it?

Speaker 2 (01:27):
Yeah, it sucks.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
It's not the money that mattered. It's more of like
it's like a shadow band. You know, once you get
pinged discoverability, and every discoverability is already bad as is, right,
Like it's already dog shit as is, it just gets
even worse whenever they you have that on the channel.
And I got hit for praising terrorist organizations.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
Bro. Wow, yeah, so I got I'm sure that was
taken out of context one hundred percent, one hundred percent
going off.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
Yeah, so I got hit with that. And since it
was that particular guideline that I broke, YouTube was straight
up like, yeah, there's permanently demon honetized. I'm like, oh,
that's awesome, dude.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
They're still putting commercials in your stuff.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
One hundred percent. Bro, that fucked up, that is, yeah,
And I don't get a cut of.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
They'll tell me I have episodes ineligible for shit because
his music is something in there and they still fucking
put commercials in there.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
Yea, Bro, that's how it is. Ran do as I say,
not as I do. But Yo, before we get into it,
plug your stuff. Where can people find you? All Right?
Nick from the Occult Rejects, Welcome to the show for
the first time I think officially.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
Yes, yeah, yeah, the Occult Rejects. That's on bit shoot,
Rumble and YouTube. Just talking about YouTube and all major podcasts.
And we do have the Occult Research Institute dot org.
It's a website, Thank you very much, sir.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
I'll put the links in the description. But dude, yea,
why the Cult Rejects what happened. Tell us a little
bit about your story, x OTO, what got you into
all that?

Speaker 1 (03:08):
Originally? I guess the other whole rejects and even the
pearole thing is probably because like originally when we started
the show, I was Exoto and my co host was
supposedly ex Golden Dorn or maybe aymore, but you know
he was he was into the stuff. So I guess
we started to call like we were playing around, being like, oh,
we got to come up with a name for the show,
you know, like I had it hit him on my

(03:29):
show a few times. We started talking about doing our
own show, and I think it was mostly because for
me it was more of like we didn't I felt
I didn't fit in in the OTO. I felt like
a reject there, you know, I didn't belong And I
also awmed that kind of really down with. I guess
that the places ran so I thought when toly arnesw

(03:50):
and Lux came up with the name, I was like, oh,
that's perfect. So I mean, I guess kind of like
being reject like he he didn't fit in, or he
didn't think he belonged, he wasn't down with kind of
the idea of how mad is normally used nowadays. So
I guess, you know, we're considered rejects. We're not down,
I guess with the club, you know what I'm saying.
So yeah, it's a little different. And plus, like I

(04:10):
do think one of the major things is not saying
that others are wrong. I do believe you might even
say this yourself. One symbolism could have like seven different meanings,
who knows. But I do think that we try to
look at it a little bit differently than other people
do as well, So I even think that makes any sense,
like a little bit, not a reject, but just different.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
More like a retard. Right, Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna. I'm
gonna that's gonna be my next podet the cult Retards.
We should do a show like that and just think
about it. But did he go back? Did you're old?
Did he go back into the organization or you just
fizzled out or what real life happened?

Speaker 1 (04:46):
Uh no, it's just it's a long old story.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
Oh you don't have to tell me.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
I just yeah, no, no, it just didn't work out anymore.
But yeah, he eventually left, and then I just pulled
some magic out of my ass. I guess and still
it happened and eventually built it up to what it
is now.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
So what got you to join the OTO? Because, right,
this is something that I have a lot of people
who hit me up who are always asking me about
the occult and at the esoteric and stuff like that,
and a lot of people I never made the jump,
but a lot of people make the jump and they
joined the Resocrusions or the OTO or you know, more
commonly the Freemasons. Right, that's a common one, easy because

(05:27):
they feel like they're going to get access to some
sort of knowledge or their promise something. But what got
you to join the OTO?

Speaker 1 (05:35):
I was I got into conspiracies like around twenty ten,
and I heavily gravitated towards like Jordan Maxwell, David Ike,
Michael Tassarian, Mark Passio, a lot of people who were
mainly a cult as well or into I guess talking
about the occult and studying and you know whatever teaching
people about it. So I was like heavily into that

(05:58):
and did believe that there's something behind and eventually just
this is just for me. Like eventually I was like
I'm learning world, these orders are what country they started in?
Who supposedly started it, and then you're gonna mind fuck
all that as well. And then I'm like, I still
don't know what the fuck magic is? What the I

(06:18):
haven't gotten anyway except for just following dates, names and lodges.
What the fuck is magic? So I was like, let
me see if I can find one of these places,
maybe they're buying me. I am in New York at
the time, and I was in Queens, so I was like,
I'm sure there's probably some weird shit out here. So
I started looking for the Golden Dawn because believe in it,
and I would have been a little bit more interested
in that. I will say I think Crowley is in

(06:39):
a cult genius, but I also think he was a degenerate,
So I really wasn't looking to join the OTO at first.
There was no Golden Down near me. Uh. I wasn't
gonna go for like Temple a Set or the Church
of Satan. I was looking for more of something that
was more like ceremonial magic and kind of a little
bit more strict, which is why I wanted to pick
the Golden Down. So I was like, well, let me
see if there's an notes there was one twenty five

(07:02):
minutes away from my house. I was like, all right,
I guess I guess that's what it is, because like
even with the Freemasons, I knew Freemasons, and they're like,
this is just their experience. They said, if you want
to get into like actual, like that type of stuff,
you're going to have to stay around for a long time.
Before they even talk about that, They're like Golden Dorn
or Oto, you're obviously going in because you want to
practice ceremonial magic. I mean, it's so blatant, you know

(07:24):
what I'm saying, that's what they talk about. So I
was like, all right, the Mason's obviously probably isn't going
to work for me. So I looked up, Yeah, I
found the Oto, and you know, these places they're really
not that secret. They have websites that will like advertise
where the lodges are, and they all have social media.
I think, like I found to Hoodi Lodge, which is
the lodge I used to go to. I think I
found it on Facebook. I think I had a link

(07:46):
for it on the website, and then they had like
a calendar of like events and an email and I
checked it out and I was like, oh, the Gnostic
Man I'll try that, and I went and uh, six
years later finally left. But yeah, it was more of
because I actually wanted to know, like what's really going
on in these things, like what kind of stuff do

(08:06):
they practice? Did they study? You know, prior to that,
already started getting into kind of like Thelemic style stuff,
or at least the heck you know, the hexagram ritol
and the pentagram ritol, which was used by the Oto
and Golden Dorn and a lot of secret societies, but
you know, suggested by the Oto. So I had already
had experience with like some of the things that they
would use. So then eventually I was like, I think

(08:29):
it's time to actually go to a place and see
what's really going on.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
So I'm stuck in this place recently where it's like, right, conspiracies,
the cult, it's kind of the same thing, Right, can
we control entities? Are their entities? Religion itself is a conspiracy.
I mean there's people still debating the legitimacy of quite
literally everything is magic real, Nick. I know you've talked

(08:58):
about like the whole neodethic space sperience and you know,
crossing the abyss and things of that nature. But is
it a real thing? Is it putting yourself in a
state of mind to believe what's the what's the kicker man?
What have you figured it out so far in this journey?

Speaker 1 (09:17):
Throughout throughout That's a good way to put it. Throughout
my journey. My idea of magic has changed, and I
do think there's probably ways that you can look at
magic in different ways. And I think the first two
is probably more of what the public seems to think
it is. There's that magic where it's kind of like
that book The Secret or I'm just gonna tell myself
this is what's gonna happen. I'm gonna keep thinking about it.
You know, you almost pre program yourself to kind of

(09:38):
put yourself to get where you want to go, you
know what I'm saying. Where people will like almost like
kind of like reevalue. They constantly tell them like I'm
gonna get that car. I'm gonna get that car, you know,
like stupid shit like that, like self helpation. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
stuff like that. I do believe there is something to that.
I mean, that's just a very basic, low level type
stuff that these these people are just started practicing yoga

(10:01):
on Instagram, going about for hours. You know, you know
what I mean. But sit I'm sure there is some
legitimacy to that. Then, like when I started really getting
into magic, it's more of I do think, and this
is my opinion. If you want to, I do think
you can actually control to an extent the world around you.
And I think that's a lot of what people seem

(10:23):
to think is magic. I'm gonna do something that's going
to create a change in the environment around me, that
is true. But I do think that that is solely
just black magic. Unfortunately. That's just my opinion, because you're
gonna have to change the will of something around in
this world, probably you have to bend something to your will,
that's my opinion, and I do think that seems to

(10:46):
be even when it comes to conspiracies. People just seem
to think that that's kind of in my opinion, maybe
I'm wrong, people seem to think that that is like
really the only kind of like magic, Like I'm going
to evoke something that's going to come in and it's
going to change or give me whatever I want. I
really don't have. I have had experiences in the past
or maybe for work I wanted to make a talisman.

(11:08):
So my job went better, but like really trite, and
it was always to change me. Actually, will I be
able to speak better to my customers to get what
I want? Will I be able to manipulate them with
my speech to get what I want? It was, you know,
but still again I'm affecting them, but I'm really focusing.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
More on you.

Speaker 1 (11:24):
But it's a fucking loop.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
It's a bullshit.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
You're bullshitting yourself. You know what I'm saying. You're gonna
bullshit yourself about how to make sense of this. Eventually
I stopped fucking with that and started getting into the
whole thing of actually literally just changing me because I'm
tired of who I am, and I actually just literally
started doing rituals and prayers to God. I want to
know the answers, no matter what I have to do,

(11:48):
I want to know the answers. Who are you? What's God?
What's the after life? What's out there? I was totally
ready to be given some sort of answer for that,
But eventually it started to become a lot more where
I was focusing on me and only me again, Like
I would do certain rituals to hope to maybe invoke
a different energy like again, I'm an aries and you

(12:09):
know a little bit about me. I could be very
hot headed or just you know what, I'm whatever from.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
New York, you know, yeah, hey, what's the matter.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
You know obviously I need sometimes I might need some balance,
you know what I'm saying. And I know that, so
I would try to work. You know, I would work
maybe with like a a venus, you know, or something
like that. You love beauty, patience maybe you know, stuff
like that. I would try to change myself. But it
was my opinion, real real magic and just dragging this

(12:38):
all out for my opinion is is you know what
I've said to you before is to separate I think,
your soul from your body and have an experience with God.
And you know that's really kind of what I think
magic is.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
Getting there is the is the kicker right as to
write deep meditation, substances, whatever it may be for think.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
You just want to add, whenever I did have magical
experiences was before I started smoking weed again, so I
was sober. So I just want to say there was
no drugs when I've had these experiences used that will.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
Well, fasting is powerful too, right like oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
I have I have done.

Speaker 1 (13:19):
Basically, I have done some forms of fasting. I have
done that. But I'm just saying drug wise. I've never
taken drugs for originally, but I've had these experiences drug use.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
Yeah, yeah, But the being sober and the fast thing
I've heard, you know, brings forth these changes, these experiences. Right,
if you're gonna contact God or be in the presence
of God, need to be purified to a certain extent. Now,
how many people can do that, That's true, not many people.
So there you eliminate fifty percent of the people who
can't fast right or whatever it is for whatever reason,

(13:51):
and then the discipline on top of that eliminate half
of those people that you can't even do that. Yeah,
But for example, like the whole conspiracy crowd, which I'm
sure you see it. I think we've talked about it before,
where when something happens in the super Bowl or something
somewhere with Trump or anywhere, it's it's a rich wal
look at that thirty three blah blah blah.

Speaker 1 (14:15):
I didn't even get down with that stuff anyways.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
But do you think that there is something to that?
Because sometimes it's weird, Like for example, yesterday I did
an episode in the Info Wars egals thirty three and
Brian White or whatever the dude's name was equals thirty
three and that was the dell was just murdered from
Info Wars.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
I yes, you stuff like that, for sure, but it's
just just certain things that like is retarded. How could
I put it this way? If unless you're a freemason
and you've done the third degree initiation, how are you
gonna go on and tell people something you just watched
on TV it was a third degree initiation? You don't

(14:57):
fucking know. Yeah, people going on saying the Mike Tyson
if I was a third degree initiation? Are you a
fucking Mason? And dumbe the fuck are you telling people?
You have no idea?

Speaker 2 (15:07):
I didn't see that one.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
I've heard I've heard people say that, and it's like,
unless you're actually a freemason and gone through the third degree,
how are you telling thousands of people that's what that is?
It's a joke. You have a lot of that going on.
People who have never stopped into a temple or stepped
into a ring or telling people what the fuck's going
on in those things and they have zero clue.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
But people love it though Mick and people believe it
one hundred percent.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
Silly and people actually try to like tell you science
and real shit get blown off. It was like that's boring. Sorry,
I guess I had to make up like sci fi
stories to keep it interesting.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
Well, I mean that's that's the society that we live in.
Like it's all about I'm serious, though, bro, Like that's
what people want nowadays, Like I'll just talk about aliens. Well,
the homuncious is another one. I can't prove to you
that I was real. No, I can't prove to you
that it's not real. Right, So, like we're.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
Still I think you're onto something. There is something with it.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
There's plenty of stories you can read about it, right, So,
but the are is the magic is the colt or
you know these aspects you're you're talking about like shaping
yourself and going through this experience, is it all part
of your brain? Like is this different facets of your psyche?
Like is it different aspects of yourself? Because like that's

(16:21):
you know, the self help stuff in my opinion works
and this sounds really stupid, but the whole being in
the right mindset, I've had that work for me, and
I have a video of me manifesting that fish that's
right there on my wall with that picture there. The
biggest fish I've ever caught to this day, right, And
it was weird because the the day before, me and

(16:45):
my boy always go to this lake.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
Right.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
It's one of the biggest lakes in Central Florida, Lake Tohoe,
and it's a hard lake. It's they do a lot
of a lot of tournaments out there, like all the
pros fish it and it's a it's a it's a
hard lake, right, It's you know, however, many hundred acres
and a lot of times they would go we'd not
have like good luck, right, he would be out there
for brough. Fun fact, I started doing fishing videos before
I started podcasting. But you would go out for twelve

(17:08):
hours a day to try and catch a fish, and
when you wouldn't catch anything for twelve hours, you're like,
what the hell am I gonna put out? So the
day before and I caught all this on camera, Bro
was the craziest shit ever. It's on my YouTube channel somewhere.
And the day before I was, you know, telling myself,
I'm gonna kill it tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
We're gonna kill it. We're gonna have the.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
Greatest time, the greatest fishing day ever. And when we
got there, bro slaying it, dog like boom and this
is all on camera, all in the video, slaying it,
slaying it. And then the last catch of the day.
I'm telling my boy, I go, Bro, there's a giant
out here. Somewhere, there's a giant. He's like, yeah, Bro,
this is this is how you're gonna You're gonna catch
the biggest one of your life.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
On the video.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
Bro, this is all on video. Like, I'm not making
any of this ship up. I'll send you the video.
And he's like, you're gonna catch the biggest one of
your life. And I'm like, yeah, bro, like, this is
gonna be crazy. And my speed worm it broke the
tail right, and I'm like, oh I and I go, hey,
I broke the tail off this bitch. I remember the

(18:11):
words bro like and everything. I broke the tail off
this bitch. That's how you know it's the juice. And
my bow goes, yeah, that's the juice, right, and I
cast and I'm just slowly relating it in.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
Bro broken and it worked and it caught the biggest one.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
Yeah. Yeah, it was like it was one of the
things that we did after a while that the tail
comes off and I'm like just reeling it in and
it feels like my lure is stuck, right because we're
fishing off shore and hook sets are free, right, So
I reel in a little bit and I set the
dog shit out the hook. Bro, I'm just like, boom,

(18:48):
it was something on the other end, right, And I
knew it was big because you hear in the video
my my my reel goes like it's like from how
much pressure's on it, and I'm like, I tell my Bum,
I'm like, bro, oh, this is a giant because I
felt like, you know when you got a big fish. Right,
He goes, what are you talking about, bro? So again
all on video, I'm reeling it in and fighting this fish,

(19:12):
the biggest fish I've ever caught to this day, nine
points something pound almost ten pound bass. Right, It's a
huge bass, and my boy's helping me out. I'm trying
not to get it, you know, caught in the trolling
moat and everything, and it jumps out of the water
and we see it for the first time, bro, Like
I could fit my whole hand into its mouth. Okay,

(19:35):
my whole arm and hand into its mouth. So we
see this giant mind you, there's like seven boats around us.
They're all watching us because we were killing it that
day just like boom boom boom, and my boy starts.
I'm trying to stay calm and my boy is trying
to calm me down. He's like, bro, bring it over
here with the net and everything, bro, and you'll see.
I'll send you the video.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
The it was almost or gasmic right, like it's like
like you have like this feeling you see, bro, you
see my emotion everything in that video because but it
all started the day before. I was like I'm gonna
you know, I'm a good boy. I'm gonna do good
and I'm gonna kill it tomorrow, right And it worked, bro,

(20:17):
you know, and I don't know if I've done it again,
ship Like that is real. It is so I feel
like I affected my reality in a way. And this
is I'm talking about this particular thing because I can
prove it, like I have a video, Like I have
a video the whole thing, and I call you know
the time I manifested the biggest fish I've ever caught,

(20:37):
and I kind of did, because, bro, what are the
chances that right when I'm like, I got the juice,
broke the tail off this bitch and I cast it? Yeah, bro,
and I'm really it in And then that was the
That was the cast. My boy had the affirmations and
everything ready. He's like, yeah, bro, we're gonna do it.
It's gonna be the biggest one. I go, yeah, and
that that, Bro, that was the cast. That's crazy, it's crazy,

(21:01):
it sounds dumb, but again that it works, right.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
That's crazy. That's like a cool experience to have. Good
for you, man.

Speaker 2 (21:12):
So yeah, that that was the the last fish of
the day that we had. Con Then I took pictures
with it, I took measurements, and I went home, bro,
because what are you gonna do? Then?

Speaker 1 (21:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (21:21):
You know what I'm saying, like, nothing to do now?
You got that high, right, So if you're catch anything else,
it's not going to even be uh remotely even close to.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
Hole after that one.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
So again, what I was saying, telling yourself, is it
part of your your psyche? Is it part of your mind?
Are these things that you're tapping into because you were
talking about shifting between different energies and different facets of
like hey, this day I'm gonna invoke Venus or this
day I'm gonna invoke Saturn. What if that's just like,
you know, a Youngian approach of these are different parts

(21:56):
of our own selves.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
That's yeah, I do believe that. Actually I do believe that.
I mean I even when I would work on certain
things like that, I would look at like what am
I doing and what do I want to stop doing?
You know, I would acknowledge that maybe certain aspects of
my personality believe it or not, as cheesy as it sounds,
And I have said this to people and on the show,

(22:19):
and I mean I because of being you know, whatever mandated.
I have done some like I've been to AA and
rehebs before in the past, but it's almost like doing
like a fourth step from AA. I would say, like
if you actually wrote, well, if you filled that out
and did that and kind of like did it to
yourself and really looked at yourself like that, that is

(22:40):
a lot like shadow work and kind of what magicians
are doing. Believe it or not. You look at that
shit and you're gonna want to change it about yourself
and you're going start trying to figure out ways to
do it.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
Isn't that what the TikTok uh psychic say?

Speaker 1 (22:55):
I hate that phrase right because right away, and I'm like, oh.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
Because the it was Crawley right that said that the
goatia is a part of yourself. I don't know exactly where.

Speaker 1 (23:12):
Originally he thought it was part of the aspects of
the brain, which I do. I do believe it is,
and then I think I don't. It wasn't like they
put out a new book, or maybe they did, maybe
they edited it, or he said it in another book
that one of his other released that thinks it's both
that they could be, which I find interesting because that's
actually what I think sometimes pulled the guy saw. I
do think it's something you're creating, but then it ends

(23:34):
up creating the world around you. So I could see
the goystias still being that it's in your head, but
maybe it does actually manifest in reality. There's a way,
you know what I'm saying within the cult is you
never understand what the fuck they're really saying. Let's they
get specific. That's why.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
And unless you're you're you're initiated, right, I mean, that's
the whole aspect, but he does he thinks it could
be both all aspects of the mind, or they could
be real. But he also did write that some people's
will is to have their will bent to your own will.
So sometimes no means yes. Right, So he was weird.

(24:12):
I mean, he was into some some stuff, but he
did expose expose a lot of things, right, And I think.

Speaker 1 (24:20):
That's what I think is weird that it to tell you, like,
even his story is kind of like weird if you
think about it, Like he originally came out kind of
like exposing magic. I mean, that's why he put out
all that Golden Dawn stuff. He was pretty much saying, like,
this is what it's about, and I think everybody should
be privy to it. That's actually how he first started,
and everyone was like, oh my god, he's releasing all

(24:40):
these rituals. Yeah, technically he was releasing shit he wasn't
supposed to technically.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
But wasn't it Regardi that put put out the OTO stuff.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
No, all those libras were his, I mean Regard he
might have put out some, but certain libs though those
are all Crawley, a lot of them.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
But because the way I've understood. Is I think it
was Royce or somebody went to him and told him
that he had he had unintentionally revealed. Do we know
what that was?

Speaker 1 (25:10):
No? No, actually, but it's something in the Book of.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
The Law, something in the Book of the Law.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
I actually think the Book of the Laws is my opinion,
is all focusing on the eyeball in.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
The brain perception.

Speaker 1 (25:23):
Yeah, well, actually how it works and everything too. Really yeah,
I mean you even think you believe in that had
is a playoff for Dha, which is something inside your eyeball,
as well as fish.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
And God, isn't it?

Speaker 1 (25:36):
Oh, God would be the god. Yeah. Yeah. Even even
the stella of revelation, in my opinion, looks like an eyeball,
and it looks like the cones and the rods that
are in there and all that shit. So what say
that again, the stella of revelation. Yeah, there's even stuff
in his rituals that he does that, in my opinion,
is pointing to the pineal glen. Like. I hate to
say it, but I do think the guy understood the eyeball.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
Stella of on and.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
F and cons of coffin consu or the stellia of revelation,
you know, either one of those cough Conso, yeah, he
thought he was that too, was cons he thought he
was Edward Kelly.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
Hey, yeah, yeah, yeah, this thing here, yes, so what
are we looking at? You said that it's like the eyeball.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
Yeah, I do think that's part of it. I mean,
it's be hard to get into, but those are like
the same things on the bottom. You see that that
thing that's spinning kind of that. You got a lot
of the cones and the rods in your eyeball of
the same color. I do you think that might be
like the back of the eyeball.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
So this is interesting because John Dee was into optics
as well, and he was he was into a lot
of things, but he had this thing called katroptics, which
was pretty much being able to turn your soul into
a mirror of sorts, right, I mean, and that's interesting

(26:57):
because it's got to do with the stella raised and
things of that nature where they say everything is emitting light, right,
We're all light beings or light is coming out from
us and the way that our light interact that's an
aw chemical reaction. And you're also able to snuff out
the light of something else and use that light for

(27:20):
you know, use the energy of that light for purposes, right,
and sacrifice, et cetera, things of this nature. And I
forgot where it was that I saw something about like
an upside down eye. Stuff. I'd have to find I
probably did an episode on a long time ago, but
I've seen this before. Where But here's my problem, because

(27:43):
when I think of the occult, a lot of the times,
a lot of these guys that were exposing it, right,
So you're saying he almost had like a sort.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
Of it's kind of like, I'm not saying like he
was a good guy. I'm just saying that's kind of
how his story is, which I find weird. I just
find that even weird to begin with.

Speaker 2 (27:59):
Maybe he was exposing it but got wrapped up in
it at the same time, right, like, because his whole
thing was against the being against the church, right, he
hated the church because allegedly what they had done to
his father and stuff. So he had like this deeply.

Speaker 1 (28:13):
He even had like a magical experience and then stops
fucking with magic for a few years and then came back.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
And he even did that when he was younger.

Speaker 1 (28:21):
Yeah, So I mean there was even that too, which
I find interesting. Where'd you go?

Speaker 2 (28:27):
Because a lot of the guys that write about the occult,
and this is where I'm struggling, because, for example, the Gatia, right,
you have John Veayer who wrote the pseudo Monarchiam Demonum,
where it was supposed to be satire, supposed to be,
uh you know, a work of fiction. It was supposed
to be making fun of people. Or is the satire
part of the occult, But sometimes I think the occult

(28:50):
is occulting the fact that it's gay, fake and gay,
you know, and that it's not not really.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
Secrets right there?

Speaker 2 (28:58):
You get what I'm saying though, Bro, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, So yeah, I think I think there's
plenty of rabbit holes that a toist out there too
by magicians. Yeah take this, it's faking gay, but you'll, you'll,
he'll entertain you for you.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
One hundred percent. And like, what was it that I
was listening to something today where they were talking about
Oh yeah, yeah, I was listening to uh something on
the homunculous. I was listening to Mine Unveiled's documentary which
I helped him out, the ten hour documentary on homunculus.

Speaker 1 (29:28):
Oh, damn nice.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
I wouldn't say we, but he worked on that think
for at least six months.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
It was crazy, and I like I helped him out right,
like we we give him a lot of information and
stuff like that. And in it he talks about how
the homunculous has multiple meanings, like it's it's a multifaceted concept,
and that's how I look at the occult or the occult.
Sometimes you might have your grasp on it of like

(29:56):
what it could be, and it changes real time. Bro.
I don't know if you've ever had that happening where
you're like, oh, I kind of understand this concept and
then Mandela effect, it's something completely different.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
That's actually uh. When I was working on the Eyeballs series,
I think it's like one part to the next. Actually
corrected myself and changed like the way I was looking
at something because I was like, I think I'm completely off.
I mean I was kind of close, but I just think,
you know, so like even for me, there's times where
even I'm like, ah wait, I was like I was
sold on it before. Then you learn something new and
you're like, all right, it doesn't make sense now.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
It's almost like the information is alive in a sort
of like you get what I'm saying, Like it's always there,
it's always changing. And it was a book on Fulconelly.
I think you it wasn't Eugene Consali. It was somebody
else that wrote this book on Fulconelly, right, I mean,
out of all people, this enigmatic guy Fulconelli that we're
still we still don't know who he was. But in

(30:57):
that book he talks about when you study and how
you're saying, you drive yourself crazy looking at it.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
It's gonna change every time you look at it.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
You ever had a dream where you go and read
something and it changes in front of you.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
I don't know. It may have, I don't remember.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
Try and read in your next dream er. I don't
know if you if you dream, because you probably small
a lot of weed.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
But does that stup you from dream?

Speaker 2 (31:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (31:24):
Oh all right, could be the ansome. Yeah, I only
have dreams that much anymore.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
That's why, bro, it does something to your brain where
you can't dream.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
So I did it all throughout the day with my
eyes open exactly now, yeah, pretty much? So.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
Yeah, they say messages with something in your brain where
you're you're unable to dream. But I think dreams are
interesting because I have sometimes I had some. I actually
woke up from a dream this past week where I
had a conversation with somebody in the dream. And sometimes
I wonder if the person that I see in the
dream is also dreaming about me talking to me their dream.
I felt that before, yeah, bro, because like I even

(32:03):
looked stuff up after the dream to see if it
came up, but nothing came up. Like like they told me,
they told me a certain phrase and it was the
we were talking about someone and they were like, yeah, no,
they were a debo or a devo or something, and

(32:25):
it was like it they told me it was like
the Indian Indian word Indian word for idiot. But I
don't know what the hell they were trying to tell me.
So I looked up every which way, bro, devo, deebo,
d like all these things, trying to find what the
hell that doesn't exist? Like did I make all that up?

(32:46):
Or was like there's some secret hidden meaning.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
A secret password. Right, It's like the word you get
into like an initiation.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
Oh really, Oh well they do that. Initiations give you
a word like you gotta say that, gotta say hokey pokey. Well,
when you look up the word idiot in Indian, I
mean there's really no other way around that. You just
look up the word idiot in Indian and it should

(33:16):
give you the definition. Right, So it's a beav a coof,
that's what. That's a Hindi beav a coof. But didn't
I didn't see uh, beef coof beef coof, that's but
I didn't see anything else. So I don't know if
it was something that my mind was making up because

(33:37):
how much of reality. There's that guy an L. Seth
I think is his name, that talks about hallucination and.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
Oh yes, yes, what is he so familiar though?

Speaker 2 (33:48):
I think he's been.

Speaker 1 (33:51):
That's right? Actually, oh has he all of them? Yeah?
I've actually tried to get on my show that that's
why he does.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
Maybe I don't know if he has been.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
Yeah he's uh yeah, I tried to get him on.
He fucks with anesthesia, does he really? Yeah? Yeah, he's
I've watched some of his stuff and like, in my opinion,
this is just my opinion. I I think people can
be occultists and not be like practicing magic like people
normally would. I'll just put it that way. I think

(34:21):
he has an understanding and I think he realizes what's
going on with anesthesia because he does focus on that
and kind of like what the fuck's really going on
and how is that possible? And when you start looking
at debates that him and like a few other people,
uh Shell Drake and uh god, I fucking forgot the
other guy's name. I even have a book on name.

(34:42):
You listen to them three talk and it's like, Yo,
you're literally talking about like magic in the abyss, trying
to figure out like how the fuck it makes sense.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
He says, we're all hallucinating all the time. When we
agree about our hallucinations, we call it reality. So he
said that this dude messes with anesthesia, Well I think.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
He might have been actually involved like with that, like
done something with that, or at least studies with it. Yeah, yeah,
because like he was going on on, Uh, I'm talking
about like the effects of anesthesia, what it actually does,
because if you think about it, that does put you
out limbo, man, Like where are you going when that happens?
Like what's actually going on? You know what I'm saying?
And like I think like that was like kind of

(35:20):
a thing that like spurred an idea for the guy
and he kind of went with it.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
Wasn't it Paracelsis though, in that created anesthesia.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
Oh, I have no idea.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
Ye see here, so history apparently it's been around since
uh for a long time. But he did, I mean,
he was the father. I know he he created. I
think it was. Oh yeah, he did contribute to it.
So paracels and his contributions to anesthesia, he is the
father of modern day toxicology essentially. So you know, the

(35:53):
dose makes the poison. If you take too much of
too much anesthesia, you die, If you take too little bit,
you feel every single little thing.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
Right.

Speaker 2 (35:59):
But it's interesting you bring up anesthesia because I did
an episode one time on Benjamin Paul Blood where it's
called The Anesthetic Revelation, and it's this book written in
eighteen something, early nineteen hundreds, and it's about a dude
who what you know, that they had like huffing parties
back then everyone would get like high on anesthesia and

(36:22):
everything because it was you know, it was not regulated.
And so what he had figured out was that at
the peak of the anesthesia of this anesthetic dream state,
at the very peak of it. He understood everything in
all of of psychology and all of philosophy, all of

(36:44):
the philosophies ever, like, he understood every single thing at
the very top of it, and then you come down
and then he would forget. Then he would forget, so
he would have like people writing to him, like, Bro,
I understand what you're saying about unders standing in reality,
understanding the world being connected to it as soon as
you're at that very peak, and then you come back

(37:05):
down and you don't remember. And that to me is
almost like could there be a secret anaesthesia the fact
that Paracelsus, you know, he was an alchemist, he was
into some stuff. Maybe there's something to that right as
a reason for his contribution to it, because one hundred
percent who was mixing stuff up and taking it back? Then?

Speaker 1 (37:24):
Bro?

Speaker 2 (37:25):
Like that?

Speaker 1 (37:25):
You know, so if if if you go by what
I say, and I think you have to almost like
kind of bring yourself to death to have a magical experience,
you could be fucking with that shit. I even think
this is just my opinion, why you you get some
grimoires that are like if you were to take that
shit and be poison, maybe there's a reason why Yeah,

(37:46):
because you kinda knock yourself.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
Full and there's something about that, right, So I.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
Mean shamans do it, yeah, put themselves under extremes until
they think they've had a near death experience.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
But is it a near death experience in what sense
as a biological death or like an ego death? Like
what do you mean?

Speaker 1 (38:08):
Oh? No, I think like your body will actually think
like it's yeah, it's much more beyond just like, oh
I have change now, because like no, I think that
your body actually goes through a fucking change, Like your
body is affected by it. It's not just like you
know when the people post those current the frog things
dancing thinking I had leveled up. It's not one of
those things.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
Tech the frog bro.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
You know what?

Speaker 2 (38:35):
Yeah, No, I mean.

Speaker 1 (38:37):
I do think, you know, because I I just my opinion.
I just do think. I you know, even I'm not
going to say it's the typical word. I mean, do
you think there's something behind it? I don't want to
say it because it's but even stuff in blood. I
think there is even something in blood that gets used
up or changes when you fuck with magic. You know,

(38:57):
I think your eyeballs, you know, for me, you know,
every time I fucked with magic, one my eyeball will
get bigger than the other one. One will get bigger,
one will go pinned. And I've had blood.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
Issues like your ear pupils.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
E mean yeah, my pupil will be one pupil was
full millimeters bigger than the other one and I had
to get a bag of saline and a bag of blood.
They said, my uh hemoglobe and levels like through the roof.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
Because you were doing are you were doing a ritual?

Speaker 1 (39:24):
No, I was actually blasting off. I did it three
times in like ten days. I was a fucking mess.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
Bhi gone on, what nothing noice?

Speaker 1 (39:33):
Fucking with magic?

Speaker 2 (39:34):
Really? You almost died from messing with magic.

Speaker 1 (39:38):
Like three times in a I would consider myself pretty
much dying every time I've done it. And one time
I got like a little crazy with it and did
it about three times in ten days and that was
a fucking mental mess. The physical mess. I had to
go to hospital. And shit will fuck up your head.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
You keep on doing it too, so it'll mess with
you biologically and also psychologically.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
Oh yeah, yeah, those down loads are real. The more
you do it, the louder they're gonna get. And the
more often they're gonna come and you can't shut it off,
so you're gonna have to sit there and listen to it.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
So are people who are.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
People are schizophrenic? Yeah, I think they're half in there
and half out. Or or some guy I've seen on YouTube.
I try to get him on. His name's okay, Charlie.
You go look at his stuff. This guy's going out
and all over the place, caves, fucking woods here and there,
and he's recording stuff and he's actually finding there is
voices in the fucking ambient air. There is stuff being

(40:35):
pumped out from somehow, So people, for all I know,
people could be hearing that, or the fucking pills they're
being taken and makes them hear it anyway more susceptible
hearing it. But I mean, yeah, but you will hear things,
in my opinion, and that it's hard to explain. It's
almost like these knowings that are so loud it's as
if they're being spoken to. I mean, it's hard to explain.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
I think that even sort of messing with this stuff
as far as like I call myself an armchair coultist,
where even having these books in my in my room
or in my space or even talking about it. I
think that even opens you up. And I've experienced things.
I've experienced at least heavy synchronicities, like crazy, weird synchronicities.

Speaker 1 (41:23):
Where you get a lot of the same numbers.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
I get a lot of the same numbers, you know,
repeating numbers. But I've gotten to the point where I
laugh it off.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
Bro, that you're doing You're doing something right. I don't
think it's a bad thing.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
That's the way I see when I you know, when
I have a synchronicity, it's because I'm on the right timeline.

Speaker 1 (41:41):
I think you're doing your will.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
You're doing your will.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
Yeah, Or I think that could be like, you know,
representative of you, kind of like you know, uh, side
effects maybe if you're on the right track of doing
your own will. Maybe. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
My wife makes fun of me because she'll see when
I have synchronicity sometimes right like.

Speaker 1 (41:59):
You and hurt.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
She's like, I'll look right and I'll and I'll laugh,
you know, I'll just laugh at all. Well, another one
of your angel numbers happen again, And I'm like, first
of all, it's not those people give us a bad name. Man,
Well that's the thing, bro, that she doesn't how you're

(42:22):
saying about being grounded. She takes me grounded because she
doesn't believe in ship. Like she's Christian, she doesn't not
believe in anything. She believes in God and all that,
but as far as she doesn't believe in anything, as
as far as like the occult and all that stuff,
and you know, the whole she knows what I talk
about and she doesn't really agree with all of it.

(42:42):
So she kind of does poke poke fun at me sometimes.
But you know, sometimes I'll be watching like her, you know,
one of her shows with her and dude, even on
the show Love is Blind. I know you've seen on Netflix.
I'm sure you've seen the memes. There's a show Love
is Blind. It's like where people go into these pods
and they all in love with somebody on the other
side without ever seeing them, and it's this whole thing, right,

(43:03):
And there was this one season, dude, where one of
the guys was boasting about being able to orgasm without coming.
He's like, I can go for a long time. He's like,
I went and I studied with these Buddhists in the mountains,
and bro, this is like the most regular show you

(43:23):
will ever see, you know, Netflix, Like, you know, millions
of people watch this show. But I'm like, oh shit,
I was like, this guy is into some tantric stuff,
Like this guy is like in the cult, but he's
in the mountains.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
The regular person thinking, was this guy a freaking We're like,
this guy is a freaking.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
I've seen him with Freemason rings on two on these shows, bro,
Like the shows that you wouldn't even expect like that
are sometimes.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
They those shows are literally made up just to give
those motherfuckers something to do and some money. But it's like, oh,
you're in the club, but we got to give you
something to do right here, showers will watch it. But
all right? Reality TV?

Speaker 2 (44:11):
Yeah reality right, the hyper reality you know John Ball's
yard simula simulation.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
You know, who was kind of big on first starting
that reality TV for us? Who Trump was one of
the first out there. Russian reality Yeah, yeah, people definitely.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
But it's like these people are caricatures right when they're
on these shows, like they're different people. Even the concept
of acting itself is a sort of a cult thing,
you know. I obviously I have Nick Cage behind me.
He's talked about this sort of shamanism that he does.
I did an episode with his son where Yeah, with

(44:47):
Nick Cage's son where shout out to Western Cage where
he told me he had to he one time he
almost got possessed, essentially, like he had to bury his
care character, bro to get rid of him from like
being inside of him.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
These people are opening up themselves too, God knows what.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
You know what I did? You know you went to
David Lynch at all the Twin Peaks and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
Yeah, I've Oh, I think I've gotten up to season
the end of season two, but I won't be honest
with you, Bro, I haven't seen the whole thing. I
haven't seen the movie. I'm right before going into where
I can watch the first movie of the Devil Walks
with Me or whatever it was Firewalking.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
Yeah, I'm gonna be honest.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
With you, Nick, and shout out to Isaac Wisehaw because
he goes hard in the pain. When it comes to
Twin Peaks, I don't see the hype.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
Oh, I can understand that.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
I don't see the hype behind that.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
Second season kind of sucked too.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
I thought the second season, No, the first season is
an initiation if you can grind through that. Yeah, you're ready.
Second season, getting towards the end, getting kind of weird
right towards the vase. He told me that I'm I'm
right where it's like, this is Twin Peaks. I haven't
finished it, but he told me that I'm there, like

(46:14):
I'm at the end of season two. Then season three
is off the wall. Yeah, craziness, like get out of here,
this is this is wild, right, So but I don't
understand the hype because I don't see that crazy bro like,
I don't know maybe true.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
No, I get you on that. It's it has to
be I guess for you. One thing I will say,
just to give it some give the guy some slack.
The last I think like three or four episodes of
season two David Lynch did even direct, so you can
give him slack on that one. He had already left
because he was upset the project and then came back.
But so something we were talking about letting things in

(46:52):
and you were saying that Nicholas Cage's son said whatever.
I was watching an interview with David Lynch and it
was right after like the whole stuff. I think Weinstein,
maybe Epstein came out and they had asked him, like
his opinion on that. He really didn't say much about it,
but he was just saying that he understands that a
lot of that's going on. And he's like, you know,
if how did he say it? He said something to

(47:13):
the fact that he provides a safe place. He says,
you have to understand people are coming here and allowing
things to come within them. You need to provide a
safe place with that. And I was like, Yo, this
dude just said what this guy's admitting, Like, like, what
do you what are you taking? Taking your character on
and invoking it in I mean, that's.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
The whole that's the whole concept of Twin Peaks possession.

Speaker 1 (47:34):
So I thought it was interesting that he said that. Then,
like what you were saying, allowing things into you? Sometimes
I think these characters, you know, maybe might be something
behind them. I think that, well, I just really become
that character almost to an extent.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
I couldn't. I'm gonna be honest with you, bro, I
don't think I could be friends with an actor because
how would you know when they're being genuine not right?

Speaker 1 (48:00):
It could be just like a lion liberal, like just
fucking bullshit. In your face.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
That's a politician, bro. I mean, politicians can tell you
one thing to your face and just like scam you.
So I don't think I could be friends with with
Like how would you know if that's even the real person?
Like almost like you know, Nick Cage talks about it
preparing himself and and you know, kind of sort of
method acting. And one of his latest movies that he
put out, uh the uh Daddy Long Legs not Daddy

(48:29):
Long Long Legs, was kind of sort of I don't
know if you've seen that where we gotta check that
movie out, but I've heard it. It was kind of
crazy like that where he became. He even had like
special effects, like like a mask on essentially like this
he was he wasn't truly him. But I went to
go see that movie in theaters, bro, and after the fact, right,

(48:52):
I had no idea what it was about on you
was a horror movie, but I took I took my
wife with me.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
Right.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
She was pissed because she doesn't like movies that are
about like possession and like demons and stuff like that.
She was pissed because it was about that. And I'm like, yeah,
I promise you I know it was gonna be like this.

Speaker 1 (49:10):
I wouldn't have thought that that was what the movie
was about, bro, because I've seen the coming attractions this
movie crazy, but I didn't think that.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
When I was in the theater, like made my heart,
like I felt weird, right, Like I felt weird. And
I'm watching this movie and at the end of the
movie's like heyl say and heyl say, and like this craziness, Bro,
like this crazy ass shit. And then it come to
find out there are sounds in the movie that you hear,
right you're talking about, like hearing your name and shit.

(49:38):
Sometimes I'll hear my sometimes I hear sometimes I hear
my name, Bro. I don't know about you, but like
I'll hear my name be called in the distance or something,
and I'll turn around there's nobody there. I don't know
if I'm if I'm skit sell yet, but I've had
it happen to me, so uh, in this movie, there's sounds,
like the soundtrack is crazy and there's like these weird

(50:00):
sounds that you hear. Come to find out, after I
watched them, we did some research on it turns out
that the directors that directed the movie put backtracking in
the movie and they put sounds like messages in the
movie after Like so the sounds that we were hearing
were actually work. You can take it, play it backwards

(50:22):
and it was actually a message. Oh backward, yeah, backmasking,
so which Crowley did and all that he was, you know,
telling people to think backwards and listen to things backwards,
the Beatles and all these crazy things. I even heard
Lil Wayne sometimes that they I don't know, like the
early days of YouTube, where it was like Lil Wayne,
play it backwards and you can hear a message in
and it was like this whole Sometimes I think that's

(50:43):
like a paradolia type of thing, where you can hear
things if you think that's what you're hearing.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
Right. Yeah, some of the you know, it's funny, some
of the special intros that I've made for certain shows,
I've actually done that to see if anybody would have
to play it backwards and be like, oh, I heard
that you put that in there?

Speaker 2 (51:00):
Is that what you sent me to You're like, this
is the occult? And I was like, what the fuck
is No, I don't.

Speaker 1 (51:04):
Know if that one had to I can't remember when
I sent you, but there's a lot of the ones
there is, there's stuff backwards. I'll be totally honest with you.
I think any prison here.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
I put things in my work that I've only had
one person tell me that they caught it, and they hadn't.
Nobody has caught it since then, but it was only
one guy. I don't know how he caught it, but
he caught it. And I have other things that I
haven't talked about publicly that I can show you after.

Speaker 1 (51:36):
That's cool.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
That's part of like my synchronicities of like, yo, this
is bizarre, right, things that would have never happened if
I didn't like put these stupid things in your work.
And that's that's the kind of a I consider myself
like a a medic occultist, right, like I'm a medic
magician of you will where I use memes, I use art, right,
and I sometimes you know, I'll put thirty three pages

(51:59):
or eighty eight pages or thirty three.

Speaker 1 (52:01):
Font like stupid shit like there, yo, I was just
gonna say, when it comes to new numbers, I will
do that with fun spacing where I'm putting stuff on
fading of transitions with video. Oh yeah, I will use
the fuck out of thirty three, eighty eight, seventeen. I'll
be totally honest, three.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
To sixteen, Like I use all bro, you can use.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
Those numbers off. I even set the audio to a
full forty eight at eighty whatever just to keep going
with the fours in the eighths.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
Yeah, you know, so I definitely do that. And again
if it does something or not, don't.

Speaker 1 (52:32):
I don't know. I don't know if I do do it.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
So there's probably some of my listeners experiencing poultry guys
activity and shit, and they're just what the hell is
going on. So one of the things that I've had
that I haven't had happen in a little bit, but
I talked about it on a podcast on Tony Merco's
show Confessionals, where for a little bit I was seeing

(53:00):
like I don't know if I would call them shadow people,
but like shadows in the corner of my eyes, like
the peripheral vision, but like some have that some crazy ones, bro,
like where I'm like, oh, there's somebody pulling up on
me right now, like let me turn nobody there.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
There was something like actually there.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
Well that's yeah, Like it was like it was coming,
you know, up on me so and I felt that
I've experienced that a few times. When I said that
on that show, a lot of people reached down. They're like, Yo,
I'm experiencing the same thing. But again, at the same time,
I don't know if it's you know these I don't
know if you've ever seen the human resonance posts that

(53:48):
people are like, oh, there's a spike, and then you
see all the comment Yeah, I'm feeling it in my
nipples or I can feel hot crashes or feel yeah,
my balls are Like everyone's like commenting that they're feeling
the same thing, Like are you truly feeling something or
are you just feeling something because you saw the post?
You know what I'm saying, Like you can influence people
like that. And again, dude, I have never had anything

(54:11):
like paranormal that I know of happened to me, like substantial,
like crazy, like I've seen a UFO right, Like I've
seen one. And the only reason what.

Speaker 1 (54:21):
I thought I've actually seen I saw something in the
sky moving like you shouldn't be I've seen that.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
The only reason I know that it was legit because
mind I told I told you, my wife doesn't believe
in this shit. She was she saw it.

Speaker 1 (54:36):
Oh that's right. Yeah, so yeah, if you're kind of religious,
made even not believe in UFOs.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
So I wasn't even I know that. I don't know
what I saw. So therefore to the UFO R it
was fine and it was going across. There was you.
I was notified to me. So and my son saw
it too. My son was actually the one that saw
it first. So he was like five at the time.
So he looks up, He's like, Daddy, was that And
I'm like, what the hell is that? You know, what
the hell is even that? You know you've seen that?

(55:02):
That that that meme?

Speaker 1 (55:04):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (55:04):
And I was like, what the And we looked up
and it was completely silent, like this orange orb zipped
across the sky bro just film. My wife was there.
We were in the backyard, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (55:15):
So now at your own house, you didn't have to
like you want to drive and nothing out to stop.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
Yeah, I was alone, and I told you that story,
you'd be like, this guy's full of shit, right, like
maybe this guy you know, maybe not. But the fact
that I was there and I have I have a
video of my son directly after I didn't take a
video of it because it was I was going by
too fast. But I took a video of my son
directly after and like asked him, like what did you see?
But then he got crazy. He's like, oh yeah, and

(55:41):
the little alien men came down on the ground. Like
all right, bro, all right, chill, let me turn this
off because you just sucked it up. He's a five
year old boy, bro, So I'm like, Yo, this is
gonna be crazy. It's gonna be like a microphone dude. Yeah,
He's like, yeah, the aliens came down and they started
walking around the yard. I'm like, what the fuck, dude,
come on, man, he's definitely my son, you know what

(56:04):
I'm saying. Like, so that's the only thing I've had.
And then obviously like the crazy synchronicities, you know, as
far as messing with this sort of stuff. But it
gets to a point where, you know, I haven't joined
any lodges or anything like that. I think that's all
that's super gay, right, or making the jump to actually
join an organization. But for some people, they can't fight

(56:28):
the itch, bro and they read about these sort of
things and they they want to take the leap and
then they're in it. And then once you join an organization,
especially in this community, you're tainted. Bro, you got that's
a scarlet letter for life, Like oh you were a
free Nison Brown. Oh yeah, you're talking about the Yeah,
I will have.

Speaker 1 (56:48):
To say that is something which I'm surprised. I mean
there's been a few people, but yeah, maybe two or three.
I've never really dealt with too much bullshit because of
the OTO's truth. I don't know why I actually thought
I would deal with more of that, like more backlash
because you're talking Yeah, yeah, sometimes I think maybe because
it's just like I don't even know what the fun
he's saying, So I can't even argue the guy who
says Runner's a dick.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
So what's the whole what's the whole point of the OTO? Like,
what's there? It's the lemic right.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
Yeah, well yeah it's too I mean the whole thing
isn't you know, come to have a magical experience, know
your will and to do it. The whole point of
the OTO though, I mean.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
Like you're in there because like the occult is all
about getting right, getting as close to the Godhead as possible, right.

Speaker 1 (57:37):
Yes, yeah, I would say, it's very Kabbala based to
the Oto. You know, my experience there they do the
Gnostic Mass, that's kind of like their thing of church
that's supposed to be showing like you know, again the
man crossing the Abyss, so having a magical experience, you know.
There they do that. They used to do classes. Sometimes
they would do history classes on all occultists. They would

(57:59):
do class this is on basic shit like you know
how to make a magic candle or some shit like that,
or you know talispins or sigils. But for the most part,
I mean I stayed on. I don't know why I
even stayed as long as I did. I think at
one point I actually thought like, oh, as silly as
it sounds, I guess it's like it is almost like

(58:20):
a badge, you know what I'm saying. To an extent,
I guess like you feel cool, you feel a part
of something, so you're gonna keep going. Even though I
diver felt like I fit in. But I guess like
my overall experience, I mean, you know, I went because
I wanted to learn about different ideas of magic. Meeting
other people that were practicing that I could bounce ideas
off of but in my opinion, eventually you know again,

(58:41):
one of the reasons why I left is because once
I started having magical experiences, my opinion of that place
changed greatly. It seems I don't know if it's the organization,
if it's the people. Something goes wrong somewhere and it
seems like they focus more on the handcuffs. They're actually
stopping you from having a magical experience then actually going

(59:04):
in the right direction. There was things like, you know,
you talk about the homoculous in there. Not saying that
the book is completely right. There are some things that
I know for a fact is right because I have
done some of the initiations. But in the Secret Rights
of the Oto and one of the rituals, they do
talk about the homo oculous. In my opinion, I think

(59:26):
that place to an extent, if you stick around long enough,
I think you're possibly a guinea pig for MKOTA experiments
or you'll be providing it. Well.

Speaker 2 (59:40):
This plays directly into my latest research a little bit
where i've you know, this ancient espionage essentially and right
Crawley being a secret agent allegedly being able to establish
lodges in other countries is just another way of infiltrating
the government without actually having to make it. No, it's like, oh,
what are they doing? Freedom of religion, freedom of expression

(01:00:03):
or whatever. Here's a bunch of a bunch of bros
hanging out. Meanwhile they're collecting information while they're there, and
it's all occulted in the occult like, oh, oh, we're
just doing right.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
I think. I think it is definitely information gathering too.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
And who always who always joins these places? Like usually
old rich dudes who are bored as fuck, who want
to hang out? Who wanted to you know?

Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
When I started thinking something was weird after I took
the second degree initiation, you're available to do certain things.
And one of them was like to be like this
liaison with you, and like, fuck, what the fuck is
this jerk Wolston name, it's like the beta whatever some
dude who's like it that the O h O like
top of the ot O and uh, it's like a

(01:00:48):
volunteer thing that you can do and it looks good.
And I had like thought about doing it because I
was like it seems like easy. I just got to
go on Skype and like talk to the guy for
like an hour and I thought it was once a month,
but it's still weird. I still thought it was weird.
The guy's gonna talk to you and ask you, like,
how's the lodge doing? And then I found out it
was every week, and I was like, what the fuck
does this dude need to ask me shit like that

(01:01:08):
for every week? I'm like, what are you looking for?
My man? Honestly, what's gonna change from one week to
the next. Some bitch I didn't want to see what
the tits out did the Gnostic Mass. We had some wine,
we ate some cake of light, and we went the
fuck home. What do you need? What are you looking for?
You're looking for something. Now, you're gathering information. If you
need to talk to somebody from that fucking lodge every week,

(01:01:31):
what's going on here? You know? And then even after
the second degree initiation, after you do that, they will
even go into and tell you certain things that will
actually be needed to be done for you to keep
going up. And at one point you're handing over your
shit to them. And if you're fucking in a relationship,
it's gonna be with somebody in there. It turns into

(01:01:51):
a cult. Something the fuck is wrong with that? Please Wow,
to either get to the seventh or eighth degree, you
were handing your shit over to them. Now there's another
guy that i've Paul, you know, Paul Ravelli. I think
he says the ninth and tenth though, because now this
gets confused.

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
How we did the show the other day.

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. He had told me that once you
get up to another higher degree, then everybody at that
degree actually gets to split what the wealth of the
OTO is. So now I don't know what the fuck's
going on. So to me, it just seems very shady,
my man and I again, there's just things that I've
seen people do for initiations, just at that point they

(01:02:32):
got your thumb on you in order to keep going
after the fifth, to go from the fifth on, they
have to even ask you. I can't even petition anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
So, because this is bro, this is some serious stuff
we'll be talking about, because is the OTO concerned.

Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
When I heard that, I knew for a fact. I'm
not staying. You just told me I have to give
you my shit. Fuck off, I'm not staying.

Speaker 2 (01:02:55):
Are they considered a religious organization?

Speaker 1 (01:02:58):
Yep, yes they are. They have all that tax breaks, dude, really, Yes,
they have all that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
It sounds a lot like scientology, dude, just a different name.

Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
You fucking take a look at Lamb. You already got
a fucking alien. Look at the motherfucker. Yeah, scientology and
womanism in this house probably. Yeah, so yo, and Crawley
was obsessed. He was very impressed by Joseph Smith.

Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
Yes, I've heard I saw that recently.

Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
So but what you mentioned about right having to report
to this guy weekly not monthly weekly.

Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
That's I was like, Yo, I don't want to talk
to this dude. What's a week. It's kind of weird.
But anyway, it was just like, you know, if you
do this sometimes I'll get it off your case because
like the longer there, the height you go up, they
want you to start getting involved in more shit. And
I was like, I really not. I really don't want
to have to go to the lodge to do that.
So I guess I could do a skype call once
a month, and I was like, once a week. The fuck. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
So he's definitely looking for something. And you know we
mentioned earlier people with schizophrene, you know, people with these
weird aspects to themselves where you know, what if they're
looking for the perfect Canada. How you're saying to induce
in this micultra conditioning of like, yo, this nick guy
looks a little bit more susceptible than this other guy. Right,
Let's try and groom him or whatever to try and

(01:04:17):
get him deeper and be our you know, our watchdog there.
And maybe they'll start asking you things about people who
were there, like, hey, how does so and so react
when these things happen?

Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
So and you know, it's funny. The two people that
I personally knew that had that position, one was gay
and in Antifa, and the other one was three hundred
pounds and she let dudes run trains on her at
the note Cons every other year at the show. Even
the people that I know that had that position obviously
are fucked up. And I'm even wondering if that's why. No,

(01:04:48):
you know what I'm saying, those people would be easy
to fucking manipulate.

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
I hate to say it, Yeah, yeah, no, one hundred percent.

Speaker 1 (01:04:54):
I mean being told to think certain fucking crazy things.

Speaker 2 (01:04:57):
We were talking about New York and how now there
are you know the people who live there like they're zombies.
They're in this sort of uh almost like a Stockholm
syndrome sort of thing where like they what is so
special about being in New York. It's like it's a shithole, right,
Like that's all it is, but people.

Speaker 1 (01:05:14):
Want to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
But maybe it's got something to do with the architecture.
Maybe it's got something to do with the lay lines,
the way the city is set up. Like I'm serious though, bro,
Like think about it, Like maybe it's got something to
do with that, because some people are drawn to these places.
Like everyone comes to Florida to die. That's what everyone
comes to Florida for. You know, when you start.

Speaker 1 (01:05:36):
Florida has the most of too, I think in the
United States amount of underground water running.

Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
Yeah, yeah, aqua first everywhere. Bro, it's a syeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:44):
I wonder if I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
Well, Florida is the Garden of Eden, Bro. I mean
that's a whole other thing. But the you know, it's
something about being drawn to these forces. So but the
fact that you're telling me this of you know, it
just makes me think of like Free Masons and all
these other organizations that are the Freemasons also a religious organization,
Like how does that work?

Speaker 1 (01:06:08):
Fleam is actually considered religion? Wow? Yeah, dude, Yo, they
understand how to make money. Man.

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
That was the whole thing with al Ron Hubbard too, right.
I mean, if you make a religion, you're you're gonna
be rich or something along those lines. That's what he
said something other. But again, these religions running intelligence operations,
like that's one hundred percent of intelligence operation.

Speaker 1 (01:06:33):
You know what you can do? You ever hear a
guide Star it's a website. No, You go on there
and you type in like certain like you could type
in Freemason lodgers or maybe certain areas of Orto templely
Orientice and it's actually a tax site, and you'll see
how much money these motherfuckers a claimant, dude, Loyal Order
of the Moose people are like, who the fuck is that?
Billions of dollars? My man, Loyal Order of the movie,

(01:06:58):
there's millions of Yeah, when we covered them, we had
already covered the Gesters, the Shriners in some other order,
and like they all look broke. And when we cover
the Loyal Order of the Moose, like, yo, these guys
got hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars. Yeah, yeah,
coming from where.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
The hell's the Loyal Order of the Moose.

Speaker 1 (01:07:17):
Staying they got a half half a billion. But the Freemasons,
the gestures of the Shrine, Shriners, who was considered to
be they ain't got jack ship. But all of a sudden,
these guys do. There's fucking money.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
Being Ah, there's a bunch of them here in Florida.

Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
Bro, look at that stuff. You can see how much
money they have.

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
Man, there's three, there's three already here in Orlando, right
off the bat boom, this eighteen eighty eight baby, the
Moose Loyal Order of Moose fraternity. And you know it's
interesting because.

Speaker 1 (01:07:54):
The Moose Heart Illinoise, they own that town. Moose Heart, Yo,
it's theirs.

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
Whoa, it's crazy, so so residential child care facility.

Speaker 1 (01:08:11):
That's so weird, Bro, I think I believe it in that.
I think whatever that thing that manson was in the
Boys and Girls town or whatever, I think that might
be one of those there or something like that in
there too.

Speaker 2 (01:08:23):
The Child's city. What that's bizarre because when you look
when you look at when you look at Freemasons and
like the Shriners, and like how they build children's hospitals.
They're in circuses like they're, bro, that's so weird.

Speaker 1 (01:08:40):
Man. Fun fact about the Shriners. Their number one major,
the number one surgery that they do, or at least
there was a few years ago, is removing spina biffdia
sacks so for kids backs, baby's backs, And that's the
number one ingredient in estate Lord's night. Zerom is fermented
spin of biffdia that comes off.

Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
Do this, look at this. In nineteen ninety four, four
Moose Heart employees were convicted of sexually abusing children. Two
years later, a Moose Heart employee was convicted of possession
of CP.

Speaker 1 (01:09:16):
Wow. Yeah, dude, they got that's all Moosladge stuff. Dude, Yeah,
you know they getting Mouseladge money. Bro.

Speaker 2 (01:09:27):
So so okay, all right, so we have you know,
Elon Musk with the whole doge and all this other stuff, right,
which which is interesting because dog is is God backwards,
right doge, and he's running like this whole operation where
he's kind of exposing you know, everyone getting a kickback
from like these different organizations and money. And this to me, bro,

(01:09:48):
all it sounds like is that is like a money
laundering operation. But again, Nigga doesn't answer the question is
the occult faking gay? Can I some in? Can I
join the typhony no teo and summon Cuthulhu to come
and aid me in my real world affairs?

Speaker 1 (01:10:13):
No? Not really. I think that aspect of it is
mostly faking gay.

Speaker 2 (01:10:18):
So no, Cuthul, I can't summon him, and good luck?

Speaker 1 (01:10:24):
What do you do and let me know how you
did it? Please?

Speaker 2 (01:10:26):
Yeah? But but chaos magic is sort of you can
assign things for a second, right, use it for your operation,
and then ditch it after a second, Like would that
be possible where I can kind of assign, you know,
Cuthulhu as a placeholder for let's say Venus or Saturn
or something, and then invoke that and kind of, I

(01:10:48):
don't know, take on that persona and then just let
it go after the factor.

Speaker 1 (01:10:52):
I don't know if that's more like an eggregorous vitory
you're trying to like explain maybe.

Speaker 2 (01:10:56):
No, no, no, Like you know, I've heard, I've come
understand and correct me if I'm wrong. I've come to
understand that chaos magic is like the only thing you
need is.

Speaker 1 (01:11:05):
Just will and belief, Like, oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:07):
Fuck the rest. You don't need a ceremony, You don't
need like the garb or nothing that, none of that.
It's just like do it and be done with it.
Do your ritual with Super Mario bros. If you want to.
And then after the fact.

Speaker 1 (01:11:20):
Oh I hear, Okay, I get what you get it.
It's just an association for something, yes, yeah, yes, yeah
I believe that. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:26):
So again, the more I look at it, I think
that the true occult knowledge, the true dangerous knowledge, is
the whole blackmail operation.

Speaker 1 (01:11:36):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (01:11:37):
The fact that you're reporting to that guy once a month,
once a it's a week. I was like, that's even worse.
Once a week. It's trying to get dirwn people.

Speaker 1 (01:11:47):
Bro, you know what I'm saying, Like, that's what I was,
just like, what the fuck that is? Weird? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:11:53):
I know, that's that's it. So another person to.

Speaker 1 (01:11:56):
That, I said, was even doing that sexual shit. You know,
they didn't even know how to do any rich rules
and they were already a third degree. I was like,
how the fuck do you even get anyway when you
don't even know how to do a ritual? Quite obviously,
I found out a noticon she lays on her back.

Speaker 2 (01:12:10):
Well that's the thing, dude, Like even in right, my
son is in karate. I know that the dojo that
he goes to, some kids do get held back and
then they don't pass their test day, you know. But essentially,
and I'm sure it's the same in these organizations. You
pay a fee and you do your initiation, right how

(01:12:32):
they do it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:32):
Yeah, yeah, it's about fifty bucks.

Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
It's one hundred and fifty bucks.

Speaker 1 (01:12:36):
Yeah, that's how much. I think that was about the
average from the ones that I did. Yeah, and it
really I think one time I got a I got
a rope in a brass coin. The second time I
gotta I've got triangle patch really wasn't worth one hundred
and fifty bucks. You do get to bring some things
home though.

Speaker 2 (01:12:56):
Yeah, No, I mean definitely. But like how you're saying,
maybe getting together with people who are of the same
mindset and all that stuff, but then you just start
to realize, like, man, these people are fucking retards, you know,
and they don't really actually know anything. They're just LARPing,
which is which is.

Speaker 1 (01:13:12):
There's a lot of that there. There was a lot
of that. A lot of people are there basically just
the worship crowle.

Speaker 2 (01:13:16):
Well, it's a certain demographic, right, I'm sure that those
people who were there were cause playing at the comic
con playing Dungeon the Dragons. Come on, dude, they invited
to go play Dungeons and Dragons with them one night.

Speaker 1 (01:13:31):
And you're like, this is too much.

Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
I'm not into this ship. So it's that sort of demographic.
But who was it that I was reading about. I
was reading about somebody that, uh, Joseph Leshouski, I think
is the Levuski. I don't know how to say his
last name, but he was allegedly the guy he worked
with Israel Gardi, and he was allegedly a guy who

(01:13:54):
had he was known for allegedly right and poking a
demon to like actual manifestation, like you know, like actual
you know, in front of him.

Speaker 1 (01:14:06):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:14:06):
Of course, all of these guys don't take pictures of
these things. He also said he created a homunculus in
the eighties too, and then he said when he tried
to take a picture of it, couldn't focus, so he
didn't get a picture of it. But you know, he
wrote all the instructions down, and you know he was
talking to Regardi about it, and Freder Albertus and all
these other guys you know, in the eighties out in Utah, right,

(01:14:27):
which is weird, right Utah and the Mormons out there.
But this guy, uh, he wrote about somebody who talked
about I think somebody who wrote his his forward or
something to the book that was like, man, I regret
looking into the occult. I should have focused all more
in my life on making money instead of looking into

(01:14:48):
this shit because it leads to nothing and you're just
left with nothing at the end of the day. Like
how you're saying, like you can go down the rabbit
hole and you just come out the other side the same.

Speaker 1 (01:14:57):
Yeah. No, I do think there's a lot with that
with the occult too.

Speaker 2 (01:15:02):
But it's probably done on purpose because the skills to
start a lodge and just take other people's shit. It's
a cult.

Speaker 1 (01:15:09):
Well, I mean, look at the guy who created Wicka.
He was actually a disciple, well disciple he studied underneath Croley,
and Croly even gave him permission to open up an
Oto lodge and he said, nah, I guess I'll go
start Wicka Blake because it made more money and the
lodge would have Really yeah, I think all that was
just to make money. I mean even even I'll be

(01:15:30):
telling you even the oto. They consider Wicka like Thelema Light,
like hew Cure.

Speaker 2 (01:15:36):
The craft that was. Let's see here Wica just in
twentieth century hermetic motifs for theological and virtual purposes.

Speaker 1 (01:15:47):
Right. Yeah, well General Gardner, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:15:50):
Gardner says here. Doreen Valentin joined Gardner in nineteen fifties. Yeah,
Drug Gardner a retired British civil servant. Huh, he said.
This guy worked with Crowley.

Speaker 1 (01:16:02):
Yeah, Crowley had given him permission to open up a launch.

Speaker 2 (01:16:06):
Guy looks like he had a cock ring one hundred percent, dude,
like on his actual like a prince alb or whatever
they call it. This guy, Bro, look at this guy's face.

Speaker 1 (01:16:15):
Yo, he's bucked out looking.

Speaker 2 (01:16:16):
Look at this guy. This guy looks like a fucking
he did. This guy was part of the Royal Order
of the Moose.

Speaker 1 (01:16:22):
Yeah, where'd you go?

Speaker 2 (01:16:25):
Where do you go? Where do you go?

Speaker 1 (01:16:28):
There?

Speaker 2 (01:16:28):
He is? Look at this guy?

Speaker 1 (01:16:30):
Bro? Wait, you know, and that guy I think I
think he would actually like do his stuff like naked
out in the woods too. Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:16:37):
Bro, there's a bunch of weirdos. Man Like, dude, I'm
kind of shook with this moose Heart thing. Moose Heart
Illinois and then the Home for Children. Bro, that's so weird, man,
look at this. The Children's Museum Zoo Yo.

Speaker 1 (01:16:54):
He did like a three part series on them. It
was fucking weird.

Speaker 2 (01:16:56):
On the moon Art, yeah, we were like, yo, what, Yeah,
that's crazy bro.

Speaker 1 (01:17:02):
You know who was associated with that. That's how we
even got interested in a John Wayne Gacy into Wika
No Moosehart he was. He was using the Moose Lodge
really yeah. Yeah, he's even He's even taking pictures in
a parade with Carter's wife. He was also very political too.

Speaker 2 (01:17:22):
The serial killer.

Speaker 1 (01:17:23):
Yeah, yeah, that's that's what got us into even looking
into moosart is because we found out he was involved
in it. We're like, oh, we gotta look into.

Speaker 2 (01:17:29):
That because you know what, I think that. I think
that serial killers are part of this whole thing too.
Oh they're programmed and and they turned a blind eye
to see how it evolves. It's it's amunculus, bro, because
like you can either use the homunculus to acquire godlike
powers or you can release it into the wild and
let it do its thing.

Speaker 1 (01:17:48):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:17:48):
That's yes, And I think that's how Dahmer got away
with so many things for so long and a lot
of these guys got a lot. You're telling me he
was political talking to press and ship.

Speaker 1 (01:18:03):
Yeah, h what.

Speaker 2 (01:18:06):
John Way, that's the.

Speaker 1 (01:18:10):
You know he even like he was involved with the
JCS when he was in prison, and that's like some
other type.

Speaker 2 (01:18:15):
Of thing as a clown.

Speaker 1 (01:18:18):
Yeah with the balloons that says thirty three flavors on it.
Really yeah, yeah, yo. He he had a kid who
worked for him, Robert Pasky, I think it was his name.
And that guy connects to uh Norman, this guy John
John Norman I think who was down in Texas that

(01:18:39):
was running a child sex ring. It was it was
so crazy that like he actually had like do you
know those old recipe draws you know your parents or
your grandmother would have with all those cards in him
for the little recipes. Yeah, they actually had people and
names and stuff that like were you know, there were
clients and the cops when they even busted him. You
can't even listen to cops say there was people's names

(01:18:59):
in there that he even came out and mentioned him.
People would be shocked.

Speaker 2 (01:19:03):
Bro it says here John Wayne Gacy, American serial killer
and sex defender who raped tortured or murdered at least
thirty three young men and boys. Yep, that thirty three again.

Speaker 1 (01:19:14):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (01:19:17):
He became known as the Killer Clown Dude to his
public performances as a clown prior to the discovery of
his crimes. Yeahs, dude, Eh, that's crazy man. The fact,
you know, I'm sure you've seen like the NEPHLM is
as Clowns, a series that that guy Paul has. But

(01:19:39):
when you start looking into this again, I think that
the the actual co knowledge is that blackmail, right, Like
the how you're saying this guy was it from this
case that they found the recipe books with people's names
in it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:52):
That guy had gotten busted. I think it was just
like there were two separate, you know, scenarios, and I
think they ended up realizing because of drop pass game
maybe a few other things, that they actually connected and
they might have actually known each other. It's a believe
it or not. It's something that came out a few
years ago with like Peacock when they did a series
on Gacy. They even get into this.

Speaker 2 (01:20:11):
Yeah, and there's something about, right, like serial killers in
society that they're like kind of infatuated with like wanting
to how many Domer documentaries are there? Right, like people
think he's hot and then that one, that one.

Speaker 1 (01:20:26):
That's another reason why I think we know these is
because it's like, all right, they're kind of in an
experiment and we're gonna make money off of selling it
to to the public too. That's why I think it's
even put in our faces so much. Yeah, bro, they
all bullshit and they're they're just being Soltos.

Speaker 2 (01:20:43):
Oh bro, yeah, that's.

Speaker 1 (01:20:47):
There's certain things, certain sick ship that another human being
will do that you won't hear jack shit about. But
what's the reason this one gets picked? And when you
start looking at him, they never make any sense. There's
it was like weird shady shit going on.

Speaker 2 (01:21:01):
Oh yeah, like the like the story of how they
you know, yeah, like you know, I used Dahmer a lot,
but he had that one Chinese guy who was trying
to turn into a zombie h And also Dahmer was
into the occult bro. He was making an altar that
he never finished with their goals, Like they never talked
about that where they're like, yo, so what are you
doing with this? So Dahmer skull alter and he was

(01:21:27):
trying to like make uh a zombie with that Chinese guy.
But he drew his altar. This is what allegedly would
it looked like. And he said he hadn't gone enough
skulls for it. But here you go right here, Yeah,
this is it. So Dahmer's Temple of skulls. Bro what

(01:21:48):
no painted skeletons, black table, blue lights.

Speaker 1 (01:21:55):
That's interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:21:56):
You got like some candles and stuff here, painted scale. Yeah,
so and under that's gonna be. That was gonna be real.
Look at somebody that black table was up higher. It
almost looks like the Stellar the revelation that we're looking
at before. Oh yeah, yeah. But let's say that this
was like some you know, Mike Ultra patient gone wild

(01:22:18):
and they were just studying him from the shadows, because
we know that the government would do something like that, right,
do that with cults.

Speaker 1 (01:22:24):
I think they're involved with cults and like, oh, let's
see what how much you can mindfuck these people, what
you can make them do? And then they just come
in and like, oh yeah, we got to stop this now.

Speaker 2 (01:22:34):
And I think that that's what the whole study Alien
disclosure thing that's coming out now too, because if you
look at it. A lot of these religions scientology and
more are UFO cults. Yeah, Like I would even consider Thelima.

Speaker 1 (01:22:51):
A UFO cult, think about it and argue with that.
I could argue with that what I'm saying, like your
depiction of a gray Unfortunately, it does come from Crowley
in a sense.

Speaker 2 (01:23:01):
Yeah, you're you're talking. You know, you were influenced. Now
there's a distinction though, because Lamb was one thing and
Iowas was another thing, and Iowas was the was the
entity that gave him the Book of the Law, and
Lamb was the thing he saw in his New York
apartment that one day where he was doing the Amalantra working.

Speaker 1 (01:23:25):
And I think, like with an Nokia magic too, it
could be wrong with that, Oh there you go. Yeah,
I think it was something like he contacted with magic.

Speaker 2 (01:23:34):
Which is part of the OTO as well.

Speaker 1 (01:23:36):
Right, Yeah, they do, Yeah, they do kind of promote
that it's kind of, you know, higher magic. I guess
more advanced for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:23:47):
Because I've heard that's one of the most dangerous forms
of magic and that it's Yeah, I honestly I see,
like when it comes to my experiences, I think you've
probably maybe heard it or maybe I've said certain things
to my experience with magic, even my experiences I think
are very basic.

Speaker 1 (01:24:04):
I do actually think Minocchio magic. I actually think you
might be kind of sending yourself to specific places.

Speaker 2 (01:24:14):
Well, I believe it, dude. I think that kind of.

Speaker 1 (01:24:16):
Like why it's so like you know, water, water, air,
water air, you know why it's so that that whole thing.
I think it's very You're getting very pinpointing and specific
on certain experiences.

Speaker 2 (01:24:28):
One of my dreams and anyone listening that wants to
help fund the project, is to make a John Dineword
Kelly movie or a series, right, I think that that
would be a hit. There's nothing on that. No one's
ever done it, you know. And I think that they
were onto something. I think that they were even if
again because I can't I can't help but think was

(01:24:49):
it all bullshit? Right? Like that's the whole thing, Like,
is it bullshit?

Speaker 1 (01:24:51):
Is it not? I think the new stuff? But they
scammed people?

Speaker 2 (01:24:55):
You think they occulted it on liked they they left
things out?

Speaker 1 (01:24:57):
You think, Yeah, I think they just told you what
they wanted to know. Yeah, I do think that's a
little bit of shilling going on, But I do think
they are of the knowing. I do you think those
guys are onto something?

Speaker 2 (01:25:09):
Because you got to remember that John dee knew about
you know, Trithenius, which was the father of cryptography, which
was all about hiding messages and writing. So who's to
say that he did in occult it right? And I
think that I think that maybe let's say that trust.

Speaker 1 (01:25:30):
Because I do think that goes on a lot too.
I think things are ciphered.

Speaker 2 (01:25:34):
There you go. Let's say that it is real. Let's
say that it does work. But the system that we
have is flawed. And the reason that we're not initiates
and we don't know the true secrets. We don't we
don't know the secret word right of the temple? Whatever
the hell is that the Freemasons say, right, we don't
know how to build the temple because you're not initiated, right,
So maybe it is a thing. And I think that

(01:25:58):
part of the occult is about out transmitting information freely
while encoding it. That's what alchemy is, right. You have
the symbols, The symbols are there, Read them, bitch. Try
You're not gonna know how because you're not initiated, right,
So it's about putting it out front, but then only
those right Max Heidel. I think it was that wrote

(01:26:20):
to the initiate, the text means something completely different than
to the non initiate.

Speaker 1 (01:26:26):
Yes, I agree with that.

Speaker 2 (01:26:27):
And they kind of see they see through it, right.

Speaker 1 (01:26:30):
I think was huge with that too, you.

Speaker 2 (01:26:33):
Think so so so have you ever seen the concept
that the Book of the Law was a mathematical equation.

Speaker 1 (01:26:42):
Because of that uh, because of that thing and there
where it kind of like gives that whole like this
equals that and all that stuff that there is like
a cipher in there. There's nothing like the psychoanine type stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:26:53):
I don't know, but there's a there's another book called
the The Rights of cur Law and it was a
this on the typhony and Oto in Miami because they
consider Miami a power zone or something like that, some
crazy shit. They He conducted a ritual with his chick

(01:27:14):
and it was supposed to induce an abduction. And what
he ended up doing was, I'll tell you how he
did it. He did the dead man's pose right, the
mummy pose essentially right, and he had the tip of
his dick out on the top right of the banded
bandages or whatever. He had the tip of his dick out,

(01:27:35):
and he had his chick with a vibrator like edge
of them. I guess right to orgasm. And then he
would go into this altered recu is the sex magic
go into this altered state, and he allegedly was abducted
by these Cuthulhu entities craft who ran a train on him. Okay,
they ran a train on him and he got impregnated. Okay,

(01:28:00):
he wasn't pregnated with this sort of numerical entity parasite
if you will. And then he was able to read
this code. There's a whole book on it. Peter Lavenda
wrote about it, bro, oh okay, where he could see
this code in the Book of the Law and it
was supposed to uh. I think it was linked to
the number pi. And it proved, like he said, that

(01:28:26):
every single different god and God has had a different
numerical value. Again, I don't know the specific say. I
didn't get into the mathematical part of it, but I
can send you the book, bro, you can kind of
sort of nobody. It was Peter Lavenda and this dude.

Speaker 1 (01:28:39):
Yeah, that's really interesting. The typhony and Oto, So did
you think there is possibly that book is ciphered as well?

Speaker 2 (01:28:46):
Yeah, but again we're never gonna know or was crawly
full of shit and we're you know, how many times
I think how many dots are connecting that aren't even there?
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 (01:28:59):
Yeah? Yeah, there was, uh all right, even put it
this way, there was there was a book called The
Vision of the Voice. You know, people might have heard
of it. Lisa from The Occult Rejects when she lived
in Austin, she went to the library that that book.
When he was writing it, he had like a book
that had you know, like before it was published, is
there and that has all his notes, like he's writing

(01:29:23):
stuff in there, and she went to go look at it,
and like there was times when he brings up Rose
a lot. People always think it's you know that girl,
And inside that book you can actually see him doing
the math for Jamatria for Rose, and it's obviously, in
my opinion, like what I'm getting as you could see
that in my opinion, he's he's using that name for

(01:29:45):
something completely different than why you think. You're reading it.
You're watching his notes, you're seeing like to what he's
like kind of almost thinking to us, he's trying to
explain somef he's telling the editor to even uh, you know,
give a capital letters towards that don't get it. You know,
there's reasons, there's you know, he was he was doing

(01:30:06):
stuff on purpose. You know what I think is funny.
Maybe be totally honest with you. You know, the type
of people too that that follow him, they've you know,
extremely left. If they were to go in and read
that book and see what he says about black people
and gay people and his little notes, I think they'd
be a little surpressed. He has no problem dropping the
N word or calling them fags.

Speaker 2 (01:30:27):
What up my nagas?

Speaker 1 (01:30:30):
And it's kind of funny, you know. You get all
these uh, these these these bleeding liberals, yeah, put them up,
but yet they don't realize what the fuck he was
writing in his own handwriting and his own notes about
some people.

Speaker 2 (01:30:40):
You know, I've actually i've never actually read this particular book.
I've read and an excerpt of this book when he's
going through the athers, right, and this is when he
was doing it with with with Nierberg, right, I guess
I think he was, uh, I think he was actually
fucking him in the ass or Victor was fucking Crawley
in the ass to do these visions. Uh, the what

(01:31:02):
I've what I've dubbed sidamic or uh is it sidamic portals?
But don't don't google that because uh you'll get some stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:31:13):
But the.

Speaker 2 (01:31:15):
I've actually read this, I'm gonna check this out because
I've never read the actual book. I've read excerpts and
it was in a book about John d Because you
know this is you know the thirty and Okian Athers,
which is these different dimensions essentially that they unlocked and
every single one has you know, a guardian of some
sorts and you know they're protecting in and all this other.

(01:31:36):
So that was the whole thing behind the Enochian.

Speaker 1 (01:31:39):
So I wonder if that stuff is almost like the
movie inception, you know how like you can go deeper
into going to another.

Speaker 2 (01:31:47):
Dream another But think about that, bro like what if
you get lost? Like that was the whole thing, right,
They couldn't get lost in the dream because they wouldn't
be able to come back out like in the Matrix.
If you die in the Matrix, you're dead in real life.
And I have no respect.

Speaker 1 (01:31:59):
Of that I have worried about that playing with magic. Yeah,
I don't know. Like there's times where I said, like
I've even seen like windows that for me, I just
don't know why I get this feeling that you can
go into it. I don't know if that's true or not,
but I've I'd be afraid to. I'll just keep it real,
you know what. I back out there was some movie
I don't know if it's insidious or something or sinister,
and maybe that it is. It was this kid who

(01:32:21):
was like kind of like astral traveling and I think
like went into a coma and like that kid, like
you would see him like go through like a door
and would go somewhere and would get lost. And I
do actually like wonder is that kind of like something
true to an extent?

Speaker 2 (01:32:34):
Well, you know, it's interesting that in that book that
I mentioned earlier, the Anesthetic Revelation with Benjamin Paul Blood,
which is you know, interesting initials, the one of the
things he talked about was looking into mirrors and wondering
if in the mirror was another reality. Like while he

(01:32:55):
was like blasted off on this sort of stuff, he
was wondering, right, it was like it's like whippets. Like
that's what that's essentially what it is. No, I'm serious,
but like that's part of it. Like it's like that
people go people, they look crazy on it. It cooks
your brain, dude, Like it cooks these people's brain. They
start talking all slow and they just destroy their lives

(01:33:15):
with that. Man.

Speaker 1 (01:33:16):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:33:17):
For for as, I'm very uh whenever I pick something up,
I hyper focus on it, and I'm very compulsive, like
when it comes to like hobbies and stuff like that.
My wife makes fun of me because I'll pick up
on you hyper fixation. I thank god every day that
I never picked up drugs. Oh got hooked on drugs

(01:33:39):
because like that's that's the kind of person that I have, Bro,
where I'll get hooked on something and I'll just keep
doing it. Like you know, if you get into magic,
the gathering, you want the best deck, you want the
best cards, you want the best everything, like you gotta
do it. You know, you start podcasting, you want the
best mic, the mixer, you know, like all this other stuff.
That's the way I am. Bro. But thank god, knock

(01:34:02):
on wood that I haven't had that happen to me.
But I can't say the same for some people.

Speaker 1 (01:34:08):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:34:09):
But Nick, you want to add anything before we get
the fuck out of here?

Speaker 1 (01:34:14):
Uh No, not really. I mean I had a really
good time, like I expected.

Speaker 2 (01:34:18):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:34:18):
I really would love to get you back on the
show one day too. But thank you for having me on. Man,
I had a really good talk. And it's that, I guess, say,
a breath of fresh air. But if you're a very
open minded person with the occult and I appreciate that.
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:34:31):
I appreciate you, and let me know whenever you want
me to go back on the show. Like I said,
I'm just asking questions. Bro. I'm not here to push
any narratives, right.

Speaker 1 (01:34:39):
We just want to figure out what the fuck is
going on, man, Like what the fuck I tell you?

Speaker 2 (01:34:42):
Like how it is? Like, Bro, I've been thinking it's
fake and it's gay, and I want to know maybe
why it's not. But like there's so much of reality.

Speaker 1 (01:34:51):
Why is it?

Speaker 2 (01:34:53):
But listen, you're like it's so interesting, right, Like it's
so interesting where I'm like, man, it can't just beat it.
That's simple. I couldn't have just figured it out like
hey guys, hey, hey, hey, it's all fake, it's all gay.
Ray it can't be that simple, or can it?

Speaker 1 (01:35:09):
Right? Like I've spent so much time thinking about it.

Speaker 2 (01:35:12):
That's to the Egyptians, that's the secret to the Druids,
that's the secret to the Mayans, that's the secret to
the Asztext. That's the secret to all of reality this
whole fucking time. Because again, how I asked you earlier,
how many dots are we connecting that aren't even fucking there?

Speaker 1 (01:35:32):
You get to the end and you open up a
box that plays like fucking Rick Ashley and you just got.

Speaker 2 (01:35:38):
It's like.

Speaker 1 (01:35:40):
He went through all that and it's faking gay.

Speaker 2 (01:35:43):
That's all it is. It's a little note, bro, It's
a little note like, is that what the magical papyri said?
You know? That's what they don't want to tell us, dude,
That's what they don't want to tell us. That's what
That's what the tablets that Josie, that Joseph Smith had,
that's what the tablet said. And he's like, you know what,

(01:36:03):
I'm just gonna roll with it. But that's what he
translated that, I take this shit out of here, take
it back with you.

Speaker 1 (01:36:08):
I can't go back with that. I gotta come up
with some moron.

Speaker 2 (01:36:11):
I yeah, so listen bro, We'll do this again soon.

Speaker 1 (01:36:15):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:36:15):
Let the people know where they can find you all
more time before we get out of here.

Speaker 1 (01:36:19):
Uh the cult rejects and that's on old major podcasts
and bitchoot rumble and YouTube. Thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (01:36:26):
Awesome and send me your links to so I can
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(01:36:47):
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