JBU Ep 777.25 America's 249th Birthday Special-ish

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This is this between us? This is just just between us, us

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with your host, you. Of all the places we've ever
been overseas, it don't matter where, you know, when we come
back to this country, we love ita whole lot more than when we
left and went somewhere else. I thank God for all the I thank

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God for all the freedoms we've got in this country.
I cherish them and cherish them.Even the rights to burn the
flag. You know, I'm proud of those
rights. But I tell you what we've also
got. Let me tell you something.
We've also got a right to bear arms.
And if you burn my flag, I'll shoot you.

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But I'll shoot you with a lot oflove, like a good American.
After such a trip overseas in 1975, I wrote this.
When it is time for a squad to level up from being under
someone's thumb and claim their spot as equals on the global

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stage, which is totally their vibe according to nature's rules
and the big guy upstairs, they got a flex and explain why
they're making these big moves out of respect for the world.
We're straight up vibing with these facts.
All peeps are born equal and free.
No cat from that equal start. They got rights they can't be

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touched. Like staying alive, being free
and chasing that glow up. Governments exist to lock in
these vibes, getting their powerfrom the people's consent.
Period. If any government starts messing
with these goals, the squad's got the right to eat it and set
up a new one, building it on principles that slap and

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organizing it to keep everyone safe and happy.
Real talk though, Prudence says you don't ditch a long standing
system over some petty beef. History shows people will put up
with a lot before they snap and ditch what they're used to.
But when there's a whole saga ofshady moves and power grabs all

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pointing to someone trying to lock you under their control,
it's not just your right. It is your duty to throw off
that toxic government and set upnew protections for your future.
That's been the T with these colonies and now we're at the
point where we got to eat the old system, the current King's
track record, a non-stop playlist of L's and violations,

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all aimed at turning these states into his personal
fiefdom. Let's drop the receipts for the
world to see. And we swear on our unblemished
Rep that this is the truth. He straight up ghosted laws that
were good for the people. He's told his governments to

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chill on passing urgent laws unless he gives the green light
and then he just ignores them when they're on hold.
He's blocked laws that would help big groups of people unless
they give up their right to havea say, which is a major flex for
them and scary AF for tyrants. He's repeatedly shut down our

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Rep houses for standing up to his nonsense with big Not today
energy. He's dragged his feet on letting
new reps get elected, leaving the people to handle their own
biz while the state's wide open to outside threats going
straight mask on. He's tried to keep our
population low by blocking laws that let foreigners become

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citizens, refusing to encourage immigration and making it harder
to grab new land. He lets justice totally flop in
some colonies by nixing laws that set up courts.
He's made judges his personal puppets by controlling their
hustle and their benjies. He's Wilding out on new

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bureaucracy and sent swarms of five O to stress us and drain
our resources. He's got his goons on standby in
peacetime. No chill, he's trying to make
his generals top dog over the power of the people.
He's teamed up with others to force us under some foreign

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system that don't vibe with our laws.
Signing off on their cap laws like quartering goon squads in
our hoods, protecting his shooters with sham trials when
they pop off. Cock blocking our hustle with
the rest of the world. He'd be taxing our ass without

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keeping it 100 our right to jurytrials canceled.
He sends us to the mothership tostand trial for fake crimes.
He's low key messing with our charters and flipping the table
on our whole government set up. He keeps trying to throw hands
with the fam and trying to set his own rules for the cookout.

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Yet when we need him, he's like new phone Who this straight
ghost? The dude be going ham on our
seas and on our coasts and on our towns and against our
people. He's straight Jeffrey Dahmer
right now. He's getting his boys all gooned
up to finish his death and destruction arc and get started

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with some next level cruelty like Scar betraying Mufasa.
He's been trying to gas up the savages to go after our peeps
whose warfare style is just wiping them no matter their age,
gender or situation. He's trying to get our people
all J sixed and ready for a new summer of love.

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But let me break down this last one for you right quick.
He's waged a messed up war against humanity itself,
violating the sacred rights of life, liberty and glow UPS by
kidnapping people from faraway lands who never did anything to
him straight, dragging them all across the globe and even

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letting them die on the way to live their life in chains.
This pirate level BS which even infidel powers would clown is
the work of the Christian King of Great Britain.
He's gone all in on keeping the slave trade poppin cock,
blocking every attempt by us to KO slavery.

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And now he's hyping up those same people that he shackled to
rise up against us to grab the freedom that he took from them
while also forcing them on us. Paying off his old crimes
against one group by pushing them to commit new crimes
against another. This king is high key SUS and

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playing 4D chess trying to get the homies to click up.
Real talk, every time we've beenoppressed we've politely asked
for a fix but our DMS keep getting ignored with more shade.
A leader who's every move screams tyrant isn't fit to rule
the people who just want to be free.

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Future generations will barely believe 1 Duke pull this much
tyranny in just 12 years. No filter over a people raised
on liberty. We haven't ghosted our British
Bros either. We slid into their DMS
repeatedly warning them that their CEO is high key SUS trying
to extend his reach over our state's.

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We've reminded them why we movedhere and set up shop.
Nothing justifies their actions.We did all this with our own
blood and treasure. We hustled hard and we came up
quick. But where were you?
We tried to keep it all love, but the way you guys and your

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king have been going menti B, that ain't really our vibe and
history shows that we're the true O GS.
We appealed to your energy and family ties to stop the fronting
because it's about to Yoko Ono our connection.
But you guys been straight Ray Charles to justice, throwing
shade at the family BBQ even when you had a chance to vote

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out these looney tunes in your government.
Y'all just went in and kept themright in power.
You've tried to send the boys, you've tried to send the goons,
now you're trying to send the foreign OPS.
That was the final straw for anywarm fuzzies that we had left.
The real ones say it's time to Black Ops. 2 of these zombies.

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We got to let go of that old love and treat them like any
noob OPS in war. Homies in peace.
We could have been a dope free nation together, but they're too
proud for that. Their loss.
The path to greatness and freedom for us.
It's on lock, so we'll climb it solo and say peace out forever.

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So we, the real ones of the United States of America in
General Congress, vibing in the name of and with all the clout
of our good people, fully rejectand dust off any loyalty to the
kings of Great Britain or anyoneclaiming through them.

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We're done holding hands with their Parliament.
We declare these colonies to be free and independent states with
the power to goon up the gas up to spread love, to click up, to
hustle, and to do all the thingsthat free states do.

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For this declaration, we pledge our lives, our bags, all the
rizz, and our sacred honor. No cat.
All right, how's it going, everybody?
My name is Chris, and this is just between us.
Hopefully you had a good 4th of July weekend because we didn't
do a special Independence Day episode while we were busy

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working on the Supreme Court cases.
We decided to go ahead and do something here over the weekend
just for fun. This will definitely not be a
typical episode. I just have some things to talk
about. A little bit of historical
stuff. For those unfamiliar, that was
the Gen. Z version of the Declaration of
Independence, and it was writtenoff the rough draft.

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If you're wondering why certain things didn't sound the way you
expected them to, not off of theactual final Declaration of
Independence, I'm going to read the actual first draft.
I talk about it all the time, but I'm going to read the actual
first draft at the end of the episode.
If you would like to know what it actually said.
You also got a little bit of a Johnny Cash intro there.

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We're going to play some more ofthat song here, but I got to
kind of break it up into pieces so I don't get copyright on
this. So bear with me on that and I'll
try to keep it as whole as possible.
Quick news over the weekend. Not really a lot of anything
because believe it or not, when America stops, the world stops
because this is the greatest nation on earth, period.

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And to back me up on that, I'm going to go ahead and play for
you, Poland's Prime Minister. Now, this video starts out with
Che Guevara or no, wait, that's not his name.
Chang Uyghur. That's the guy.
I always get the two of them confused for some reason.
It starts out with him saying something that appears to be

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directed at the Polish Prime Minister, but I don't know the
context of this. It's clearly two different
settings and it was stitched together.
One appears to be Chanks podcast, and then the next
appears to be more of like a public forum.
So I don't know if Chanks said that on a show to this guy or if
he just, you know, if somebody just stitched this together
because they thought it would make a, you know, a, a

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politically charged video that would get a lot of views.
So just FYII wanted to leave thewhole thing so it made sense and
context, but understand that this could, you know, this could
be directed at somebody entirelydifferently.
And we're just playing this to listen to the Polish prime
minister's response, regardless of who it was to.

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This brother isn't isn't even American so I don't know what
the hell he's chanting USA for. I'll chant USA, not you.
OK, You asked me why I am in US now.
Because I was invited and I camehere with my passport.
Patrick invited me as a politician to come to US because

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as a European I do recognize US as a leader of the free world
and I pay my respect to this country.
And I came. Here because I used to live
under communism and Reagan with John Paul the Second freed our
country. And I will be always grateful to

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the Republicans of the United States for the freedom of Poland
and Europe. Isn't it crazy how the people
that actually lived under communism understand what
America is all about, yet the spoiled rich kids they live in
America have no understanding whatsoever about what America is
all about, and clearly have no realistic understanding of what

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communism is? They know what it's supposed to
be all about, but they don't know what it actually is.
There's some sort of fundamentaldisconnect between what they
read about and what they seem tothink could happen.
They don't seem to understand that the result of communism is

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the only possible result of communism.
They don't have any idea about the the communist nations and
socialist nations that have failed.
They don't seem to understand that everything that they're
saying, everything that they're doing, every slogan that they

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are using, the people in those nations used first to turn them
communist. They had the best of intentions,
too. It's not about doing it wrong,
it's about doing it period. There's only one way to do it,
and it will inevitably lead to the same thing every time.

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Those who have lived under communism, though, especially
Cuban Americans or Polish Americans, German Americans who
lived on the East Side, Chinese Americans who have actually
given up their allegiance to China, all do better in the
United States than they ever didunder communism.
And they all understand and recognize the exact same

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patterns. And these are the very same
refugees that the left, the socialist, the communist, the
progressives, because really, that's what it is at the heart
of it, especially here in the United States.
These are the very same refugeesthat they hold up as special as
people that we should listen to,and yet they ignore their most

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fundamental message because theyknow better.
They can do it better. Believe it or not, the Founding
Fathers considered. While it wasn't called communism
at the time, that term had not yet been invented.
They still considered that sort of system of government.
They considered all systems of government and they did not pick

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the free market capitalist constitutional Republic that we
have because it would be best for the white man.
No, they picked it because they believe that it was best suited
to meet the goals of the people,whatever those goals might be.
Which as we just learned, or at least Gen.
Z just learned for the first time, our Declaration of

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Independence was very clear whatour goals were from the
beginning. Abolishing slavery, ensuring
that all men are created equal under God, condemning the
tyranny of the king and eliminating the the monarchy.
Instituting forms of government that were representative of the

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people and sacrificing yourself and your freedom and your life
for the better freedom and better future of the future
generations. It's important to come to, to
point out to these people that communism at its core, Marxism,
socialism at its core is a system of government enforced

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work. It has to be.
There's no other possible way, which is why they always become
totalitarian. There's other reasons too, but
as far as you're concerned, thisis the biggest one.
And here's why. Because in a socialist system,
all of these safety Nets exist, right?
Free healthcare, free schooling,free food, free housing, free

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everything, right? And of course, free is a
misnomer. Nothing is free.
You're just giving all of your money to the government and then
the government provides these things for you.
And the theory is by 1 central location, divvying all this
stuff up, you can have better healthcare and better housing

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and better everything because it's all divided evenly.
So there is no income, income gaps, there's no inequitable
distribution of wealth. And then some also make the
argument of basically bulk purchasing, just like if you are

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able to order a product in bulk,you can generally get it for a
much larger discount. And so by the government
controlling the means of production, you don't have the
overhead, you don't have some ofthe regulation, you don't have
all these extra costs associatedor anybody trying to make a
profit theoretically. But here's why this doesn't

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work. So in order to switch to that
system from the system we have, what you would have to do is
start taxing people dramatically, like considerably
more than they're being taxed now.
The highest tax bracket now, or income at least, is 40%.
Now, this doesn't include any state taxes, any sales taxes,
any property taxes, taxes on other income such as stock

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values or other assets, right? There's a million other taxes
that exist already. So you're already taxed
considerably more than 40%. But let's say we move everybody
up to say 80%. You get to keep 20% of your
money. 80% is taxed, but in exchange you get free

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healthcare, you get free food, free cable, free everything that
is considered a quote UN quote staple.
Here's the problem. People start getting angry
because they realize I'm working, but all these other

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people aren't working and they have basically the same
lifestyle I do. Sure, I get that extra 20%, but
that's not, you know, that mightgive me a slightly nicer car to
drive and stuff, but it's not a big difference either way, no
matter how much I'm making really.
I mean, 20% of $100,000 is $20,000 a year.
That's all you would get to keepout of $100,000 salary.

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It's not going to give you a huge leg up.
And so you stop working, and so do the vast majority of
everybody out there, because everybody's getting this stuff
for free now anyway. What am I working for?
So production just grinds to a halt.
Now, the only way to fix that isfor government to start

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assigning jobs and forcing everybody to work equitably.
What does that mean? Well, first they have to come up
with a massive list of people that don't have to work because
they're either a minority or disabled or too old, too young,
etcetera. Once we cut that list out, that
leaves us the group of working people.

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Now we have to divide all the jobs up that exist and give them
to people to do because nobody is voluntarily doing jobs.
And maybe in the best case scenario you could let people
pick what they do, but the problem is you're still going to
have too many people picking certain jobs that are either
easier or more fun, and nobody picking the jobs that are harder

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or less fun. So some form or fashion the
government has to step in again and force some people to work
those crappier jobs. So by the time all this is said
and done, you've now had severalyears of virtually zero
production and essentially just buying everything with debt from
overseas because people got to eat.

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In the meantime, production finally starts again.
A lot of people hate their job or have no skill in it
whatsoever because it was assigned to them.
And there's no incentive for them to work hard at all, not
even sufficiently hard, because why?
They want to be fired, They wantto have to do nothing.

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Their incentive is to get fired,not to make more money, not to
do a better job. And so inevitably, the only way
to get work done is for the government to force people to
get work done. And this causes resentment, It
causes very low effort and all sorts of other problems.

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So no matter how you do it, communism, socialism, and even
progressivism requires government enforcement of Labor.
It has to. And so a lot of leftist knowing
that this is true, and even though they still think that
they can do it better, they'll at least back off that argument.

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And what they'll say instead is,well, we don't have to be
socialist. We can just have a bigger safety
net. Like what Hollander or, or
whatever, one of those Nordic countries, right, where they
take about 60%, you get a few things in return and you get to
keep roughly 40% of your income.So you still have some profit

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motive incentive, but limited. And so then it becomes a
question of, OK, well, which is more effective, getting to keep
most or all of your money and buying these things in the
private market or the governmenttaking most of your money and
having these things provided? Well, we can't compare Holland

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in the United States directly because Holland is an entirely
different nation. And this goes for all the Nordic
countries, right? Sweden, where wherever you want
to pick, but they're an entirelydifferent nation.
They have entirely different demographics and and cultural
differences and you know, medical concerns, all of that,
right, largely having to do withdifferent diets etcetera.

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So we can't compare them to directly.
But what we can do is we can compare Americans who live in
America and who live in Holland and we can compare what are
people from Holland called the Dutch.
So we can compare the Dutch in Holland versus the Dutch in
America, and in both cases, Americans living in America do

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better than Americans living in Holland, and the Dutch living in
America do far better than the Dutch living in Holland.
Why is that? Well, it's because a lot of men
a lot smarter than you or I created an extremely effective
system of government. And despite over 100 years of

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progressives trying to fundamentally transform it and
turn it on its head from something it never was, it is
still the strongest, most robust, best system the world
has ever seen. Rome couldn't dream of being the
powerhouse that the United States of America is and will

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continue to be so long as we continue to adhere to those
principles laid out 250 through a county.
Courthouse square and on a park bench an old man was sitting
there. I said your courthouse is kind
of run down. He said, no, it'll do for our
little town. I said your old flagpoles kind

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of leaned a little bit and that's a ragged old flag you got
hanging on. He said have a seat and I sit
down. Is this the first time you've
come to our little town? I said, I think it is.
He said. I don't like to brag, but we're
kind of proud of that ragged oldflag.
So Barack Obama, just like Barack Obama does, instead of

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offering a message of hope or just respect on the 250th
anniversary of this nation, of course took the day to take a
shot at Donald Trump. And before I read Barack Obama's
tweet, let's check out Donald Trump's truth from True Social

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on 4th of July 1st. This 4th of July weekend, I want
to give a big thank you to the heroic ICE officers fighting
every day to reclaim our sovereignty and freedom.
One of the most exciting parts of the One Big Beautiful bill is
that includes all of the fundingand resources that ICE needs to
carry out the largest mass deportation operation in

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history. Our brave ICE officers who are
under daily violent assault willfinally have the tools and
support that they need. We will not let America become a
third world country filled with crime, failing schools,
collapsing hospitals, and total social dysfunction.
It's called remigration and it will make America great again.

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He also posted I mean a plethoraof things on Truth Social.
Obviously, I'm sure not all of it was from him directly, but
the White House at least posted a plethora of things on the 4th
of July. Trump welcoming people that were
held hostage by Hamas into the Oval Office.
The military family picnic. Of course there was a speech

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posted of Donald Trump's there. He posted some things about the
big beautiful bill and what it'sdelivering for Americans.
And then a whole bunch of happy 4th of July and pro America hype
type things like this video here.
Let me get it. There we go.
Wonderful. Day we celebrate our history,

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our heroes, our heritage, our Great American flag, and our
freedom. Every American Heart should
swell with pride, every Americanfamily should cheer with
delight, and every American patriot should be filled with
joy because each of you lives inthe most magnificent country in

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the history of the world. We will proclaim the ideals of
the Declaration of Independence,and we will never surrender the
spirit and the courage and the cause of July 4th, 1776.

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Just a nice little pro America tweet there.
So let's compare and contrast now to the former President of
the United States, Barack Obama,who said Independence Day is a
reminder that America is not theproject of any one person.

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The single most powerful word inour democracy is the word we.
OK, first of all, there is no wein democracy.
Second of all, we don't have a fucking democracy.
Sorry, just had to get that little tidbit out there.

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We the people, we shall overcome.
Yes we can. America is owned by no one.
It belongs to all citizens. And at this moment in history,
when core democratic principles seem to be continuously under
attack, when too many people around the world have become
cynical and distant, disengaged it real quick, what democratic

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principles seem to be continuously under attack?
I would like to know. Now I have a list, but it's
definitely different from what Barack Obama's list is.
I guarantee that. But I also can almost guarantee
that he doesn't have a list because it's not true.
Again, we don't live in a democracy.

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Yes, there are democratic principles to our constitutional
Republic, but we don't actually live in a democracy.
So there is that. And if you do the one thing that
fixes all of the nonsense and pay attention to what Trump does
instead of what he says or what everybody else says he does,

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just look at the actions. There's literally nothing that
threatens democracy. Nothing at all.
And I swear to God if you mentioned that one time when a
few 100 people rioted for like 2hours on January 6th, 2020,

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where nothing whatsoever was affected in our democracy, in
our government, anywhere. They didn't even delay the vote
that was happening at that moment that they were there
protesting for a full 24 hours. Congress came back together a
couple hours after the violence started to finish the vote.

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They didn't even achieve a 24 hour delay.
So I swear to God, if I have to hear how January 6th was the
threat to democracy as the only thing that you could possibly
point to for which Donald Trump threatens our democracy, then I

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know I can't take you seriously.Let's finish Brock's post now.
Remember, he didn't say anythingabout Happy 4th of July,
America's birthday. What a great nation.
None of that. Only this tweet about Donald
Trump. He says now is precisely the
time to ask ourselves tough questions about how we can build

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our democracies. I don't want a democracy and
make them work in meaningful andpractical ways for ordinary
people. Yeah, ordinary people like
Barack Obama, who lives in Martha's Vineyard, who
completely got away unscathed without Even so much as an
investigation into a clear murder allegedly that happened

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on his property, despite the fact that he or his people
entirely lied about his alibi. The same guy who flies private
literally everywhere he goes somehow made $100 million one
year out of office. But don't worry, it wasn't from
special favors in office that did really big favors for

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companies like Netflix and Amazon or you know, the billions
of dollars cash that he secretlysent to Iran on his last day in
office. That's got nothing to do with
any of it. I mean after all who doesn't
have 5 vacation homes? These are the reasons people
can't stand Barack Obama becausehe pretends to be for the

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ordinary people, but in fact he's the one along with Bush To
be. To be clear, I put Bush in the
same category, so don't come at me or none of that.
This is the same two men that literally bailed out the banks
and Wall Street and left ordinary people out to dry.

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My parents house was foreclosed on because of the housing
collapse during that time. As far as I'm concerned, every
president of the 21st century iscompeting.
Except for Donald Trump. To be clear, is competing for
worst president in history. Donald Trump still has three

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years to screw it up, so I leavethat on the table.
But so far at least, he's at least acted in the people's
interest more than he hasn't, which is way more than you can
say about the other 3. You see we got a little hole in

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that flag there from Washington,took it across the Delaware and
it got powder burn the night Francis got keys set up watching
it right and say can you see gota little RIP in New Orleans with
Packingham and Jackson talking at it.
Seems it almost fell at the Alamo beside the Texas flag with
she waved on though it got cut with a sword at

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Chancellorsville. Got cut again at Shiloh Hill.
There was Robert E Lee Beauregard and bragging the
South wind blew hard on that ragged old flag on Flanders
field. In World War One she took a bad
hit from a Bertha gun. She turned blood red.
In World War 2, she hung limp, and lo, by the time that one was

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true, she was in Korea. Vietnam, All right, we went in
on socialist little bit Progressives, we went in on
Obama a little bit. Now it's time to go in on the
Republicans because I want to talk about well, several things.
You know, one of the things thathas been a a broader discussion

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over the last year, really the last several years has been what
are the Republicans, what more importantly are conservative
Americans actually aiming for? And we've, we've spent so much
time slogging through this fightfor Donald Trump and with Donald

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Trump and against so many thingsthat are blatantly anti
American, that now that things are on the upside and we
actually have a shot at correcting the record to some
degree, it's like we don't know where to go.

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And, and this is the problem seemingly every time Republicans
get in power. Now, I would argue that's
because most of the Republicans we've put in power in the 21st
century aren't actually Republicans, but that's a
different story. But nonetheless, it seems like
every time we get a full majority, being the House, the

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Senate and the president, nothing gets done because nobody
knows what to do. Everybody knows what to do and
what to fight against, and the chips are down.
But when the cards are in our favor, nobody knows how to play
the hand. Well, I think I know why Donald

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Trump got us this far. Donald Trump, kick the door back
open. The progressives were
desperately trying to shut on conservative Americans, but
Donald Trump can't take it further than that.
And that's no disrespect to him.What he did is huge, but one man

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can't do it alone. And Donald Trump's job was to
kick the door back open. Now it's our job to actually
walk through it. And first and foremost, that
starts with voting for voting out virtually everybody that's
in office right now. There are a few exceptions I

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would make. But the fact is people like Ted
Cruz, who talk a good game, who say everything that
conservatives want to hear. Ted Cruz has been in office for
like 15 years at this point, andI believe he's in office now
until 2030. And yeah, he's done some good
things, but he's also done some bad things.

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But more importantly, he's done almost nothing.
I would vote out every single senator, maybe with one
exception, and that would be RonPaul or Rand Paul.
Sorry. And it's not that Rand has been
a bastion of conservatism by anymeans.
However, he's been consistent and principled, and I believe

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that in the right environment would thrive, IE with other
principled men around him backing him up.
That's just my opinion. I'm fine with him going to.
He's been there long enough and I'm sure that he would
acknowledge that as well. In the House, some of the
newcomers are doing OK and you know, they they deserve the time

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to prove themselves. Some of the others have been
there forever and haven't done Jack or are way too easy to give
in the Democrats. And here's the thing.
I'm all about compromise. OK, We're going to talk about
some of what all that means herein a minute.
But there's a difference betweencompromise and compromising

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principles. Principles should never be
compromised. And the only thing that
progressives have asked for as far as compromise from
Republicans in the 21st century has been to compromise our
principles, to which there should be 0 negotiation.
But part of the problem is theseconservatives that are in power

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have zero ability to articulate their position, our position as
far as half the country's concerned, the might vote one
way, might vote the other way, half, the most important half.
As far as trying to win the argument as far as they're
concerned, Democrats, Democrats want to spend too much money but

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want to provide some important functions.
Conservatives just. Want to say no to everything and
just want to take away all important functions.
That's not true. I mean, yes, there is truth to
that, but that's not the whole story.
But all of the conservatives, I say that with air quotes that

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represent us, That's the best story that they can get out,
that they let the Democrats set the narrative.
They let the progressives set the narrative about who they
are, about who we are. And that's one of the things
that Donald Trump has been so effective at, is not letting
them set that narrative. Despite the fact they have

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fought harder than ever before to try and set his narrative.
They can't seem to do it. We don't want to eliminate
Obamacare because we don't want people to have health care.
We want to eliminate Obamacare and all the regulations that
came with it and most of the regulations that came before it

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because we want everybody to have access to better, cheaper
healthcare. And we know that the free market
is the best system capable of doing that.
But that's not what independencehere.
The only thing independence hereis we want to eliminate
Obamacare. And that is the fault of the
conservatives that claim to represent us.

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And, you know, Ted Cruz is another good example because
there's, there's some, some kindof competing going on right now
to win out the conservative narrative.
And one of that is from the moreradical right side.
And, you know, I, I don't reallylike using that kind of language
because as far as I'm concerned,I'm as radically conservative as

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you can get. My radical opinions are that the
Constitution is the law of the land first and foremost.
That local governments are supposed to have more control
over our daily lives than state or federal governments.
That the federal government should have virtually no say in
our daily lives or regulation with the exception of the common

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defense, IE the military and foreign affairs and trade.
And that's it. It's almost like it's laid out
just like that in the Constitution, but there's a
there's this other faction. And here's the thing, I don't
really know how big this factionis and how much of it is really

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just paid agitators trying to set the narrative on the right
that we're all just a bunch of racist lunatics who believe in
true conspiracy theories. When I say true conspiracy
theories, it's because of coursethey want to label everything
that the right believes as a conspiracy theory when a lot of

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it, unfortunately, is verifiablytrue, and that's been proven
over and over. The laptop was a conspiracy
theory? No, that was true.
Joe Biden? His son taking millions and
millions of dollars from Burismaand from Ukraine?
Not a conspiracy theory. Him laundering money through his

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family? Not a conspiracy theory.
Obama, well, rather the Obamas making $100 million their first
year out of office. Not a conspiracy theory.
Now, I could go on and on and on.
We all know, you know, we talk about these things as they
happen, so we don't need to go over every last one of them.
But of course, one of the major conspiracies on the far, far

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right is that the Jews control absolutely everything.
Now is there a lot of Jewish influence in high levels of
American government and in the world?
Yes, there is, no question aboutit.
OK, but it's important to differentiate as well.
Jewish ancestry and Jewish the ideology, the religion.

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It's also worth noting that overrepresentation doesn't
necessarily equate to undue influence.
The fact is there is no 100% Jewish, you know, panel of
anything that's in control of anything.

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It's more it's, it's more than their representative number, but
it's not, you know, even greaterthan 50% in most of these cases.
They like to point to the banks,right?
They like to point to Congress and and unelected bodies within
our government, the UN, things like that.

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But while their numbers might beoverrepresented compared to
their population, they're certainly not anywhere near 100%
of any of these places. And so the most logical thing to
do is question whether or not they're Jewish, either ideology

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or ancestry, whichever it may be.
Because again, it's not the samething.
And two people might be Jewish, but one might believe in the
Jewish faith and one might not. That makes for two people with
very different beliefs and two very different systems of
belief. And so the first thing you'd
have to question is whether or not there's a different ideology

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driving them. And as far as I can tell, there
is. So even acknowledging that there
is a, a, a large number of Jewish individuals, either
ideology or ancestry that are in, you know, a number of
positions of power and certainlymore representative than perhaps
even any other class. And just to clarify what I mean

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by that, let's say Jewish peoplemake up 10% of the population in
the United States, but there is a four out of 10 people on a
particular government panel are Jewish.
That would mean they have 40% representation on that panel,
right? Even though only 10% of the
population is Jewish. That's what I mean by over
representation and that's what these people that believe Jews

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control everything. That's what they point to.
But again, that makes no accountfor the differences and the fact
that it could be a different ideology that has nothing to do
with either the Jewish faith or the Jewish ancestry or culture

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that's driving them. And it's clearly progressivism
that is clearly the underlying driving factor.
And that is not limited to Jewish people, period.
On top of that, Israel is a tinynation with a population of 9.76
million, which is 1/4 of the world's average population.

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The average population for the world's 196 countries is 40.69
million. Now, of course, those numbers
are swayed by larger countries like China and India, but Israel
is way, way down towards the bottom of the list as far as
population per country. They are extremely important to

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our defense, but they are very, They are a small nation with a
small GDPA, small amount of capital, and an extremely
effective military and more importantly, intelligence
apparatus. As far as I'm concerned, the
Israeli intelligence apparatus, the IDF and the American

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intelligence apparatus, the CIA.And I mean, there's a billion of
them, so I'm not going to list them all, but we all generally
think of the CIA, the CIA as kind of the top of U.S.
intelligence. Whether or not that's even true
anymore, I kind of doubt, because typically it would be
organizations that you're less familiar with that have more

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influence. But regardless, it doesn't
matter. They're pretty much the same
thing, right? The these two organizations work
together. And the only time that they work
separately is when it is politically expedient to do so
in order for, you know, one sideto be able to have deniability,

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particularly when it comes to spying on their own citizens.
And there's no doubt that Israeland the Jewish people are able
to to wield a great amount of influence, and certainly far
greater than the influence they would naturally have, right?

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They're very effective at wielding the influence that they
have, but that doesn't mean thatthey actually have that power
over the United States. I don't believe they do.
I just believe that our government hasn't been utilizing
its power because it's been trying to reduce America's power

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in the world. Well, sort of.
It's been trying to appear like it's reducing it while also
gaining it in the background, but regardless, and therefore
leaving a gap for Israel and whoever else to fill, right?
And so here's my point, people. This, this faction of the right

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points to people like Ted Cruz and claim that they're entirely
controlled by AIPAC. Now, look, senators and Congress
members are absolutely blackmailed and bribed and
influenced by these Ng OS as well as foreign adversaries who
are able to dig up dirt on them.There's no question about it.

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It's why we need to be a lot more careful about who we put in
power because people that have skeletons in their closet are
easily manipulated. It's part of what makes Donald
Trump so effective because he has played in that world his
entire life and he understands the way in which these power
games are played. And it's funny, I've been saying

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it for a long time, it's really easy to win those power games
because all of the power is in the secret.
And if you have no secrets aboutyour life, they have no power
over you. And that truly is what I believe
these people hate about Donald Trump because they all have

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secrets they're trying to keep. He doesn't.
His life is completely public. They have nothing.
It puts him on par and thereforehe is able to do what he wants
because he can't be controlled by these outside influences
where the rest of them are underthe thumb of somebody.

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And that creates some extreme resentment.
But anyway, you know, again, does AIPAC perhaps more have
more influence than another nation of similar size would be
able to have or or similar finances be able to have?
Perhaps, but it's not absolute. And actually, let me be clear,

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it's not. Perhaps they do have more
influence than another nation ofa similar wealth or power, such
as, say, Qatar. As far as in the United States,
NGOs like APAC do. But Qatar, for example, has a
lot more influence in some othercountries.

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Qatar is a good example because Qatar has a population of a mere
2.55 million but they have massive influence over more of
the Islamic leaning and kind of China oriented countries.
The world is breaking apart right now into two lines and
that is the China Russia bricks side in the American West,

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European side. Looking at Israel and Qatar,
Qatar is basically the same as Israel as far as a tiny country
with undue influence on the Russia China side, whereas
Israel is a tiny country with undue influence on the European
United States side. And Qatar is also rumoured to

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have some undue influence on this side as well.
But it's important to note that these places only have the
influence over you that you allow them to have.
And despite the fact that there is a group on the right that
wants to put everything at the feet of Jews or Israel, you just

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can't do it. It's, it's a nice, easy, uniform
scapegoat, right? It makes for great memes and a a
perfect grand conspiracy that wecan all point to to say that's
who's working against us or that's the problem.
But it's not true. Yes, there are influence and

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power games being played all over the place.
And yes, Israel and Jews, however you want to define that,
whether it's the ideology or theancestry, are part of that.
And they are very good at it andtherefore wield their power
better than a lot of other places do, even places that are
bigger. But they're one player out of

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196. And there's no question that we,
the United States of America, are the biggest player.
And it's simply, it's just too convenient.
Conservative ideology, American ideology, the founders ideology
negates being able to blame somebody based on their ancestry

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or their race or their heritage or their location of birth.
And that's really my ultimate problem with it.
I don't have a problem with pointing out that AIPAC has too
much influence, but APAC is one of many NGOs with too much
influence. And the problem with blaming it
all on the quote UN quote Jews is it doesn't explain the other

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sixty, 7080% of people that are involved at these top levels
that aren't Jewish or of Jewish ancestry or what have you.
How do you explain their involvement?
Progressive ideology is what lies at the core of our issues,
period. And really it's kind of what

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always has the difference between we the people and they,
the powerful. And so my point in explaining
all this is we need to shut thisnarrative inside the party down
because look, I'm I'm not going to be part of a racist party.

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I'm not going to be part of a party that believes that
somebody's ancestry plays any part in how I feel about them.
I do not care about your race, creed or color.
I care about your ideology, whatyou believe and what your
principles are. I care about the individual.

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And Israel is a country of individuals like any other.
Qatar is a country of individuals like any other.
Now, we can't pretend that certain ideologies don't play a
significant role in somebody's principles, in the decisions
they make. But the fact that somebody's

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ancestry makes them more likely to follow a certain ideology
does not take away their individualism or their
individual choice. My concern is the individual and
the things that they choose to do and to believe.
I could care less about their color, their race, where they

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were born, etcetera. In this scapegoating of the Jews
is not helpful. It's harmful to the party and to
the goals and we need to put an end to it and we need to put a
firm end to it and call it out. It's simple minded, plain and
simple. You know what's funny is the far

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left and the far right both blame the Jews, but they blame
them for two entirely different things.
Because it's all simple minded nonsense.
There isn't deep thought put into it.
There's a lot of drug fueled redstring theory that's put into

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it. And it's worth pointing out that
the reason so many on the right lost their ever loving minds
when we bombed Iran a week ago was because they believe that it
confirmed all of their suspicions that Israel controls
everybody, including Donald Trump.

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Donald Trump did not make the decision to bomb Iran because
AIPAC donated to his campaign. First of all, Donald Trump
doesn't plan on running for anything ever again.
So it would be kind of pointless.
But I'm sure there's a way they could find to try and influence
him. But again, he's already a multi
billionaire, so short of half a billion dollars, there's not

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much. It's really easy to bribe a
congressman with half $1,000,000or $1,000,000 when that
congressman makes $193,000 a year.
It's not so easy to bribe a multi billionaire with half a
million or $1,000,000 to make such an important decision.
Donald Trump bombed Iran, I believe, because Donald Trump

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actually believed that it was the best thing for the United
States to do. Now, that might have been a
misguided opinion. That opinion might have been
misguided because our intelligence agencies, who do
work closely with Israeli intelligence agencies, were
feeding him bad information. That's possible.
But ultimately, he made the decision because he believed it

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was best for the American people.
And more importantly, he turned out to be essentially right.
Now, was the strike as effectiveas he wants it to be?
That remains to be seen. But he didn't drag us into a
war. We weren't heavily retaliated

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against. In fact, we pretty much weren't
retaliated against at all. We did set back their nuclear
capabilities, maybe months, maybe years.
We're not sure yet. But basically we got everything
that we wanted, though we don't quite know to what degree yet,
whether we got the best of case scenarios or just moderately
good with none of the downside. And so all of those people that

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we're claiming that this vindicated them, that the Jews
control everything, including Donald Trump, and they're going
to drag us into another war. And Donald Trump's just playing
the same games that that George Bush played, for example, with
the same people and yadda, yadda.
None of that turned out to be true.
But just like good conspiracy theorist, you won't hear them

(59:52):
apologize or accept, hey, I was wrong on that one.
They'll just move on to the nextthing.
And who does that sound like to me?
That sounds like progressives. That sounds like the left.
That sounds like the type of things that I fight against.
You know what a real man does? He admits his mistakes.
And just to be clear, Donald Trump is not the Messiah either.

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One of Donald Trump's greatest flaws is his failure to admit to
great mistakes. But one of the things that
Donald Trump has right is the way that he values loyalty.
And loyalty can be a confusing thing to people today and here's

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why. Because the question is, where
is it acceptable to violate yourloyalty to somebody?
In my opinion, it's very simple.The people that I am loyal to, I
am loyal to without fail and without question.
Period. However, that does not mean I am

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willing to violate my principlesto uphold my loyalty.
I can remain loyal and still notviolate my principles.
And therefore if somebody that Iam loyal to is seemingly
violating my and theoretically their principles because if I'm
loyal to them, we certainly share at least most principles

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in common, then the loyal thing to do is to call them out on it.
But not to throw them under the bus or right the moth like many
on the right did when Donald Trump announced the strike on
Iran. That's not loyalty.
And let me be clear, I don't think you should have that kind

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of loyalty with any politician. But the first time that somebody
that you claim to trust and thatyou have put so much effort
behind does something that you might disagree with, the least
you can do is give them the benefit of the doubt, express

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your concern, and then wait and see, not drop them.
The second you think something doesn't line up, that's what the
left does. I'm not part of that.
I'm not part of any party that'sgoing to be like that.
The simple thing is we fix all of this undue influence, no

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matter who it's from, whether it's Israel, whether it's Qatar,
whether it's the United States intelligence apparatus, whatever
it is, the NGOs, All of these problems are fixed and we can
fix the right in the United States by going back to the
principles. The solutions are as simple as

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being a good man, and that meansstrength, it means dignity, it
means principled stances, but italso means acceptance and
forgiveness and openness. And I'm going to give you an
example. Black people are not the problem
in America, but there is a problem with certain aspects of

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black culture in America. Most of us, black or white or
any other color, recognize this,but there is again that small
faction that wants us to look atit as blacks being the problem
in America. I'm not going to.
I refuse. I will fight alongside a black

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American, a brown American, a yellow American, a green
American, a purple American. I will fight alongside an
American who came from Japan, anAmerican who came from Mexico,
an American who came from the Congo.
I don't care as long as Americanis the operative word, because

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as an American, I believe that all men are created equal.
It is our choices. It is our individual choices
that we make in this life that determine whether we are good or
we are bad, whether we are smartor we are dumb.

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I don't buy any eugenics bullet or bloodline nonsense, or that
immutable characteristics in anyway determine our outcomes.
Now, where you come from and where you grow up do have a
heavy influence on who you are. But we all, as adults have

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choices that we can make. And you can choose to let that
define you or you can choose to define yourself.
We see it every day. And so the fact is, I condemn
the racists on the right every bit as much as I condemn the
racists on the left. I don't care that the racists on

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the right like America more thanthe racists on the left do.
I don't care that the racists onthe right agree with me on tax
policy or on laws or immigration.
The fact that they are racist, as in they believe that there is
somehow a race that is superior and a race that is inferior, The

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actual definition of racist entirely nullifies anything that
we might or might not have in common.
I have no interest in aligning myself with them at all and
never will. I also don't have interest in
aligning with myself that are with people that are
unnecessarily cruel for the sakeof being cruel.

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And let me be clear what I mean by that.
I don't care if people make cruel jokes sometimes, right?
I don't think you're a racist because you once said the N word
or made an inappropriate race based joke.
I don't mind if a friend of minethat is black calls me a
colonizer to take a shot at me, as long as he doesn't mind when

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I take a shot back and call him.I also don't mind when people
call out problems where there are problems, regardless of the
underlying context. Let's say.
What I mean by that is I am not going to be offended if you call
a group of black kids thugs if those kids are in fact robbing

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liquor stores and doing thug things.
But I am going to be offended ifyou say all black kids are thugs
because that's just ignorant nonsense.
And not only does it not get us anywhere, not only is it just
sub IQ thinking, it's literally holding us back.

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It's holding back the cause. It's holding back the
principles. It's holding back the things
that I wish to see happen in this nation and in this world.
And so point is, jokes don't bother me.
I'm not playing the the leftist game of everything is racist,
but I'm not going to put up or tolerate put up with or tolerate

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actual racism or actual cruelty.You know what?
I had an interesting conversation the other day that
I think will help eliminate or illuminate the the type of
people that I'm trying to call out at this point.
I've got the racist thing prettywell covered, I think, but the
cruelty thing, that's a little harder to drill down on now.

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This conversation was based off of a meme that our buddy Austin
over at Miller Talk podcast. Don't forget to check out
millertalk.substack.com and check him out on X at Miller
Talk under score pod. He had commented on a meme and
somebody replied. I jumped into the conversation

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and it really helped illuminate one of the problems on the
right. It's the type of people that
I've talked about before, like the Andrew Tate's of the world.
A lot of people on the right have gravitated to that type of
quote UN quote alpha male. Now, I don't love the alpha beta
thing. I don't hate it either.

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The it's just, it's not the bestdescriptor in the world, But the
question of what is an alpha versus what is a beta is an
important question. And I've made very clear before
that while Andrew Tate has correctly pointed out a lot of
the issues that feminism has caused between men and women in

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American culture, he himself is not the ideal American alpha
male. And many of his actions preclude
him from being so. So I'm going to break down this
conversation. It's very short to to kind of
illustrate that, OK, because this meme is centered around

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those who have kind of that Andrew Tate mindset of just
dominate everything. But a good man, which is what
I'm far more concerned with being than an alpha, isn't
concerned with just dominating everything.
They're concerned with building.Not just building around them,

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not just, you know, building a better world, but building
stronger people. They're concerned with building
their team up, not holding theirteam down to prevent them from
challenging their dominance. So look, this meme is graphic
and inappropriate, so that's your fair warning.

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I will censor it obviously, but the pictures still pretty easy
to get. And two very different and very
important points and conversations came out of this
meme. First is the question of what an
alpha male is. Second, and this is what Austin

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and I were directly replying to,was the feminist interpretation
of this meme and how this somehow applies to all men.
And I think that those two trapsare the ones that conservatives
are poised to fall into one or the other.
I think the Feminist 1 is the one that we have fallen into.

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And I think that the A1 is the one that we are at risk of
falling into by trying to get out of the Feminist 1.
So let's start with the meme itself.
It's a picture of a butt ugly dude with all the sex appeal of
Shrek without a shirt on so thatyou can see he might be able to
bench press 120 lbs and has clearly never worked his pecs or

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his core in his life. But this is what it says to all
the feminists. Be honest.
Now imagine the total apocalypse.
Food and water supply is low, your vegan skinny boyfriend is
violently getting by me and knock the out afterwards my
still dripping from him afterwards all in front of your

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eyes. Would you rather stay with the
rapist or the victim? Now of course, this meme is like
a present on Christmas morning to feminists who would love to
paint all strong men with the same brush, which is exactly
what at Ember under score Blue decided to do.

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And they posted this meme and said or shared this meme and
said, I've said it before, but men's prisons are a microcosm of
how an all male world would workwithout the dreaded longhouse.
Which I assume is a reference tothe idea the the feminist idea
of the longhouse. Which if you're unfamiliar, is

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actually a term that comes from the Pacific Northwest here where
the Native Americans would commonly use what was called a
longhouse rather than what you might see out in the plains or
something where you have a community with a bunch of
individual homes like teepees. They would have one long house
that just had a bunch of rooms in it that the whole community

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would live in. And feminists have used this
concept as an ideal feminist conceptualized world where
security is valued over privacy and individualism, IE
communalism. Right.
Or it might just be a reference to prison.

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I've never really heard of prison referred to as a
longhouse, but I you know, I'm not entirely sure what she means
by without the dreaded longhousethey don't build civilization,
but I'm guessing it's a reference to the former rather
than the latter. So anyway, I'll start from the
beginning. She says.
I said it before, but the men's presents are a microcosm of how
an all male world would work without the dreaded longhouse.

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They don't build civilization. The quote alphas aggressively
rape the others to death and a significant number of modern
males seem to long for a world like this.
Now first of all, obviously the premise is both according to
their own ideology. Because according to their own
ideology, up until the 21st century everything was an alpha

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or male dominated world and we did in fact build civilization.
So you know, there's that. But glaring gaping holes in the
OP and her post aside, I do agree that there is, I don't
know about a significant number,but certainly a segment of quote

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UN quote modern males that do. I don't know if they long for a
world like this, but they do seem to think that that is what
a world of alphas should or doeslook like.
And it's simply not the case, atleast not the case in the
western world. Post Enlightenment Now, our

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buddy Austin from the Miller Talk podcast, he commented that
he had worked in a prison for two years and never saw or heard
of a single person being raped. And even if so, you're literally
talking taking the worst the scum of society and saying that
that is every male. And of course he's absolutely
right. Now for those that might hang up
on the fact that he worked in a prison and never heard of a

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single person being raped, yes, of course men are raped in
prisons, but they are not every prison is not that way.
And that was the point that he was trying to make.
And that is true. There are different levels of
prison for a reason. Believe it or not, there are
groups of men that learn that cooperation gets them a lot
farther than competition. We tend to call those low

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security prisons. High security prisons on the
other hand, are a place for violent animals, like the Shrek
character who originally made the meme.
So I added to Austin's comments saying this isn't alpha
behavior, it's demented and victim behavior.
Sure, 1 can be both. The key is western values.
It's no different than anything else.

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A quote. Alpha keeps other men in line.
Some use coercion, some use cooperation, and there's always
a little bit of both. The question is of his
principles and that is what I'm talking about.
The right needs to be careful not to embrace the wrong kind of
strength. We are tired of the misguided
application of feminism and the weakening of our society and of

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our men. But in turning back to a Society
of strong men, we need to be careful not to embrace the wrong
thing. Like I said, there are leaders
or quote UN quote alphas that build their team, that
strengthen their team, and thereare others that hold their team

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down in order to prevent anyone challenging their leadership or
their alleged alpha role. That's not an alpha to me,
that's a beta who's a little bitstronger than the other betas.
And he was desperately trying toassert dominance in the only way
that he thinks is the way to assert dominance because he
doesn't actually have the knowledge to be an actual

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leader. So anyway, at this point in the
conversation at whimsy, words too spelled out, as in TWO
decides to jump in and say this.They're taking statistical
trends and making a valid observation and presumption
based upon those. Acknowledging how many men
subscribe to fascist misogynistic red pill bullshit

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and how many rapists, pedophiles, abusers, murderers,
etcetera etcetera isn't juvenile, but ignoring it is.
Now this is just silly of course, because what she's doing
is she's focusing on the one outof 10, the demented and and
psychopaths, but ignoring the 5 or 6 out of 10 that are betas

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basically, and by that I mean passive.
And the other 3 or 4 out of 10 that are actual dominant leaders
that literally spend their time hunting down and killing or
imprisoning that one out of 10 on behalf of both the women, the

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children, and the betas. Now this isn't true worldwide.
This is true in the West becauseafter the Enlightenment and with
the guiding of conservative and Christian principles, we decided
to build societies based around those leaders and not the
demented psychopaths who used torise to the top and still do in

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many parts of the world. Because they have no such
guiding principles and thereforeit's not necessarily the
strongest that survives, but themost brutal.
And so I summarized my point by saying this.
The alphas that I know would puta bullet in a guy like this and
sleep beautifully knowing that they did.
In fact, some of the alphas I know might take the time to do

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it with their bare hands just tomake a point.
To which she replied mostly taking offense with the in the
West or in America comment saying what men statistically
protect and stay silent to protect their fellow men.
In America, the men charged withprotecting are often the ones
most responsible for domestic violence, child sexual assault,

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and murder. And well, of course, she's not
wrong. Our law enforcement in the
United States, there's 350 million people in the United
States. There is over a million law
enforcement agents. Yes, there are absolutely some
of that former group that recognize those positions of
power and take advantage. But the overwhelming majority

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are the type of men that hunt those predators down.
And yes, sometimes they are too unwilling to look inward and
find them among themselves. But that is a different problem,
and it is unquestionably the minority, not the majority.
So what I replied to this was you're making gross both

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literally and figuratively generalizations.
First, who said anything about quote staying silent?
And sure, bad guys infiltrate government organizations charged
with protecting all the time power attracts.
I never said there wasn't problems.
Of course there are many, however good guys in the West

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outweigh bad guys several to 1. The problem is people like you
who treat all men and all violence the same.
What exactly are you doing to stop bad men?
I am capable of extreme violencenecessary to protect others from
OP. Are you?

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For those unaware, OP stands forOriginal Poster.
Meaning the person who wrote theoriginal meme.
And see, this is where feminism gets it wrong.
They treat all aggression and all violence and all men the
same. When in fact it is necessary for
that three out of 10 that I was talking about earlier to be more

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aggressive and more violent thanthat one out of 10.
When dealing with that one out of 10, it also requires that
three out of 10 to be able to becompassionate and to be loving
and cooperative and a leader, a builder with the other 6 out of
10 or the other men, women and children.

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But if you treat the violence and aggression of the three out
of 10 against bad guys the same as you treat the violence and
aggression of the bad guys, wellthen you discount all of them
and you're only left with weak quote UN quote beta males, and
of course the feminists who aren't capable of protecting you
from shit. Separately, she said.

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While I believe the concept of alpha is overcompensation by
genetically inferior men who would rather pretend to be
strong than actually become a better, stronger person, I'm
glad to know that you don't support this horrific number of
men do, as illustrated by the post, unfortunately.
To which all I said was there's more than a billion people on
Twitter and this post has 3.9000likes.

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You see what I'm saying about speaking too broadly?
Austin also replied. And we condemn them.
But for you to come out and say that every male is just as bad
as me, as a man, say all women need to be put in their place
and stay in the kitchen, You seehow none of that helps either
side get to the root of the problem.
And here's the thing. I decided at this point, before

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wasting any more of my time, to click on this feminist profile
and see what type of person I was dealing with.
And of course, what do I find? I find a woman, probably in her
mid to late 20s. She's a single mother of two
children, describes herself as an extroverted introvert, a

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nature lover, a pansexual and a fungi fanatic who's quote
finding her way. She has a picture of a gay pride
flag, a trans flag and a Palestinian flag in her bio and
links to her Only Fans account. So yes, I deserve all the

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ridicule for even wasting my time, but this is sadly typical
for somebody that that subscribes to the feminist
ideology. On one hand, how do you take
seriously a woman that sells hermost valuable assets for as
little as $4.00? On the other, you have to

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counter this information becauseshe's speaking to people too.
And unfortunately, the younger generations are more apt to
listen to the broke, unwed and surely unhappy single mother of
two then they are. They're happy, successful,

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conservative leaning parents. One of the best quotes that I've
ever heard in that that I have ever seen come to fruition in
more ways in my life is this. The devil doesn't come dressed
in a red Cape and pointy horns. He comes as everything you've

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ever wished for, whispering promises of joy that crumble
into sorrow. Grok attributes that quote to
Tucker Max. But of course, it's been said
many times in similar ways by other people as well.
Happiness in life is really, when you break it down, as

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simple as controlling your temptations.
It's delayed gratification. Anybody that has ever gotten
exactly what they asked for is sure to tell you be careful what
you wish for. age-old sayings like this exist for a reason,
and it's why there's a difference between education or

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intelligence and knowledge. Some things are only understood
through experience, and the wisest among us are able to
learn from others experiences and able to adapt that
information into preventing themselves from making the same
mistakes. But anyway, the pendulum has

(01:24:56):
swung so far to one side that weare facing a great risk of
overcorrecting at this point. And that is really the focus of
this episode. And I say it all the time, it is
incredibly important in this dayand age that you define who you

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are and what you stand for. What are your values and your
principles? If you cannot answer that
question right here, right now, then you should do nothing else
in your life before sitting downand taking as much time as it
takes to work out those things. It took me the better part of

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five days to actually work through all of the things that I
thought or might considered or hadn't even yet considered to be
potential values and principles of mine, and to put down on
paper what I actually believed were.

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And in doing so, and in understanding those things and
in taking the time to think it through, not only has it paid
dividends in my life and my relationships and my family, but
also in dealing with all of the chaos of the world that we
currently live in. It's not difficult for me to

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parse out a situation even though I don't have reliable
sources of information, because I base my opinion on my
principles, not on my initial feelings.
It's the whole point of the conversation that I had with

(01:26:48):
Austin from the Miller Talk podcast about Iran, because I
felt that he was responding somewhat emotionally to the
situation, as were a lot of other conservatives.
Ultimately, he came to the same conclusion and agreed, and we
all do it. I'm guilty of the exact same

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thing. Don't get me wrong, I've done it
many times in the past and I tryto correct myself and and own up
to it when I do it. But the only thing that gives me
the clarity to recognize it whenI do do it and to try to avoid
it before ever falling into thattrap is knowing what my values

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and my principles are. I am not a wolf, for example.
I used to be a sheep. And no, I don't mean I used to,
you know, believe CNN's narrative.
That's not what I mean. I mean, I used to be a follower.
I used to think I was a wolf, but I didn't actually have the

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skills necessary to be 1. And once I started to acquire
those skills, I realized I neverwanted to be 1.
I have inherent in me for reasons that I have forever
questioned and we'll probably never be able to answer, the
desire to do good, the desire toprotect rather than to dominate.

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And I think that is a huge part of why America is so important
to somebody like me. Because America is the only
place on earth at any time in history that was built around

(01:28:45):
the ideas and principles of the sheepdog or the shepherd,
whichever you prefer, is the only place where the ideals that
embody the sheepdog have been allowed to flourish and have
been really the rule of the land.

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Ideals like individualism, personal responsibility,
liberty, and the ability to control one's own destiny.
But one of the things that our founding fathers understood was
that all of this is only possible if men choose to be
good. Otherwise, this is nothing but

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lawless anarchy. And that's the difference
between conservatism and libertarianism in my eyes.
Some libertarians would disagree, but those libertarians
I would probably refer to as conservatives.
And So what I'm saying is it's more of a disagreement about
definitions than it is about thethe ideas or the principles.

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After leaving the ConstitutionalConvention, Benjamin Franklin
was asked, well, what have we got?
To which he replied, a Republic if you can keep it.
In a letter addressing the officers of the First Brigade of
the Third Division of the Massachusetts Militia, John

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Adams was quoted saying our Constitution was made only for a
moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the
government of any other. You see, our nation's success
depends on the virtue and the morality of the people.
Self governance. It requires people guided by

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moral and religious values in order to maintain order and
liberty. Without these values, the system
would fail as relies on the people's ability to act
responsibly rather than on coercive government control.
And that is what makes the United States so unique.

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All other systems in the world rely on coercive government
control. The United States does not you
see, the most evil acts in humanhistory have been done by people
with the mindset exactly the same as progressives, the

(01:31:18):
mindset that they know best. And in an attempt, all of these
these failed horrific acts were in an attempt to bring about
some sort of utopia. They believe that the cost was
worth the benefit. They believed what they were
doing would ultimately benefit their citizens more.

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And in doing so, they justified the horrific atrocities that we
now remember them for. You see, the Founding Fathers
could have just given themselvesall of the power.
In fact, many of the colonists expected them to do that.
Some of them even wanted them todo that.

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George Washington stepped down after 2 terms in office as our
first president. Not because there was any
requirement to, not because he didn't have the popularity to
continue. In fact, most people were mad at
him for stepping down. They wanted him to be the new
king of the colonies. But he understood the principles

(01:32:30):
that this nation was set upon. In fact, he had a hand in making
them. And for something like 170
years, it was never necessary tolimit the president to two terms
because every presidential candidate resigned or dropped
out after 2 terms, recognizing the need for the personal

(01:32:55):
responsibility. This ended with FDRFDR, one of
the most progressive presidents in the United States history.
President who believed that he knew better and has since been
the only president to ever serve3 terms in office, prompting

(01:33:18):
Congress to make a new constitutional amendment
limiting the president to only two terms.
People are not remembered for what they do for themselves,
they're remembered for what theydo for others.
Or two others. And I can't speak for you, but I

(01:33:39):
would certainly prefer to be remembered for what I do for
others and not what I do to them.
She went where she was sent by her Uncle Sam, the Native
American Indians and blacks, yellow, the white, all shit, red

(01:34:00):
blood for the Stars and Stripes and then her own good land.
Here she's been abused, she's been burned, dishonored, denied,
refused, and the very governmentfor which she stands is
scandalized throughout the land.And she's getting threadbare and
she's wearing kind of thin, but she's in good shape for the
shape she's in. An opinion piece released

(01:34:23):
recently from USA TODAY talks about as a veteran, I used to be
proud to be an American. I'm not sure anymore.
According to this article, a newGallup poll found that before
June 30th, 58% of adults in the United States consider

(01:34:46):
themselves extremely or very proud to be an American, and
that is a record low. Patriotism is particularly steep
decline among Democrats, with only 36% saying that they are
extremely or very proud, down from 62% a year ago.

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A similar drop has been reportedamong younger Americans, Gen.
Z, and Millennials. Less than half of Gen.
Z adults, 41%, describes themselves as extremely or very
proud to be Americans, compared with 58% of Millennials.
Now, frankly, this is no surprise, certainly no surprise

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to many on the right, because the left has been degrading this
country for decades. In fact, I probably would not
have described myself as proud to be an American for a very
brief time in my life right after I got out of high school,
because pretty much everything that I was taught in school was

(01:35:50):
about how bad this country was. I grew up in the extremely
liberal state of Washington. I went to private school for a
number of years, but I went to apublic high school.
We did not say the Pledge of Allegiance or do the national
anthem at football games. And virtually everything that I

(01:36:11):
was taught about this nation wasabout some bad thing that we did
or how we're evil colonizers or etcetera.
And of course, I didn't know anybetter.
I only knew what I was taught bythe people that I trusted to
educate me. And so I didn't consider myself

(01:36:32):
proud to be American for that very short period of time in my
life. I've said many times before on
the show that I've always had aninnate sense of patriotism, and
I can't fully explain why. Could be propaganda from being a
young child at the time of September 11th and the very

(01:36:55):
patriotic response that came outof that.
But I believe that there's more to it than that.
Maybe there isn't. I can't say for sure, but I've
always felt something looking upat the American flag and

(01:37:15):
eventually that that loss of patriotism that I had leaving
high school led me to to doing my own research, to reading our
founding documents in our history, particularly from texts
that were written by the people of the time.

(01:37:37):
And rather than, you know, bookswritten 200 years later about
the time in order to find out the truth, in order to find out
if that patriotism was misguided, I now know that it
wasn't. But that took a lot of time and
effort, more time and effort than the average American and

(01:37:58):
the average American kid is evergoing to put into it by
themselves. And so the question is, why do
we keep sending them to these indoctrination factories?
They tell them to resent their own identity, that of a proud
American, regardless of what their skin color is, but
especially, as we know, is it ifthey're of European heritage.

(01:38:26):
The reason in my opinion, that progressives were able to carry
so much damage to the 20th century and we're able to to
redefine what this country is through that time, I believe is
in large part due to the conservatives of the era

(01:38:47):
abandoning their principles, plain and simple.
McCarthy is a good example. McCarthy was not wrong that the
communists at the time and progressives here in America,
they call themselves progressives in America.
When I refer to the communists during this time, which would be

(01:39:10):
the 40s, fifties, 60s, I'm talking about particularly
Soviet communists, but foreign influence.
But they were in fact trying to sow division in America.
They were in fact trying to get into positions of power.
And really what happened is the communist kicked the door open
for the for the progressives to take over that movement, and

(01:39:32):
that's how they gained control. McCarthy was not wrong in that,
but McCarthy abandoned his principles, along with many
others that followed him, in trying to stop it and in doing
so ultimately allowed it to happen.

(01:39:53):
And that is what I fear today. The left has overplayed their
hand. We all recognize that.
And that is why they are struggling severely right now,
because they've kind of whipped up their followers into a frenzy
over hating this country and rejecting themselves and their

(01:40:14):
own identity and believing. The the lies that the
progressives have been pushing all of this time so heavily that
now when the progressives have backed off of the lies and tried
to bring back some semblance of credibility to their side,
they're their die hard followers, don't know what to

(01:40:37):
do. It's why, despite all evidence
to the contrary, the far left currently believes that the
media, the mainstream media, notFox News but MSNBCCNNNBC, are in
Trump's pocket. I mean, there is not.

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There is not a single thing I can think of that is more
disproven and by daily events than that belief.
Yet many on the far left actually believe it and it's why
there's a split in the party right now and people like
Mandami getting or I frankly don't care how to pronounce his

(01:41:19):
name so if that's wrong, Oh well.
Won the primary in New York, andthere's a strong faction of the
Democrat Party that is trying toconvince the National Party that
that is the path forward, despite the fact that it's
obviously not Kamala Harris lostfor exactly that reason.

(01:41:41):
And so the point of all this is that conservatives are poised
and in an excellent position to gain background, frankly, faster
than anytime since the revolution.
But we have to do that in a principled manner.
And frankly, there is so much division among conservatives and

(01:42:01):
Republicans that I'm not sure that we can.
It very much concerns me. I mean, that's obviously what
I've been saying this whole episode, that I'm afraid that
the wrong voices are rising to the top and it's time for real
men to take back control and take back leadership in this

(01:42:25):
country. We do that first and foremost by
telling the truth, by being upfront not just about current
events and what's going on, but also about ourselves and wearing
our mistakes on our sleeves. We also do that by instilling in
our children the values and the principles that have helped

(01:42:47):
build this nation and instillingin them the pride that we once
had in being an American. I want you to listen to this
video real quick before we go through some of these people
that don't consider themselves proud to be an American.
I want you to listen to this. This is a video of a gentleman

(01:43:09):
telling you what to do when yourflag touches the ground.
I know nothing about this man. I don't even know his name, but
I can see in him exactly what isin me.
A deep sense of pride for this nation and everything that it is
stood for throughout 250 years despite its flaws.

(01:43:33):
Just want you to listen to the way that he talks and talks
about the American flag. You're taking down the flag and
this happened. What do you do?
What do you do? First question you need to ask,
Did it touch dirt? If it touched dirt, then it's

(01:43:53):
desecrated and definitely needs to be retired.
But what if it didn't touch dirt?
The United States Department of Defense leaves sole discretion
up to the individual who owns the flag to decide whether or
not is repairable and cleanable,to be hung up once again, or for
the realist and purest to retireit, preferably by fire.

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The flag is to be folded into a triangle to the best of your
ability. If you're unaware or don't know
how, go back 8 episodes and I'llteach you when.
Was the last time you folded a flag?
Choose to bury the flag. It must be placed in a
respectable box and covered. Remember once again, it cannot
touch dirt. It is acceptable to cut out the
stars. Let one of your children have a

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few of them and let them offer to a veteran one for every year
that they served. Bring a box of these.
It's going to be a very. Powerful moment.
For the both of you, it is the one time that you are allowed
and encouraged as a civilian to give a quick short salute.

(01:45:01):
We don't. Have the means or the resources
available to burn the flag. The VFW and vets, Boy Scouts.
Girl Scouts will take the flag and dispose of it properly
around June 14th, Flag Day. Home Depot and Lowe's will also
accept the flag. Place it into a pit of fire

(01:45:23):
until it is consumed, Turned into ashes.
Stir those ashes and render it back to earth from whence it
came. You may observe a moment of
silence. You may say prayer, Pledge of
Allegiance, or something heartfelt.
The Statue of Liberty has seven times in its crown.

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They stand for the seven seas inthe seven continents.
There are 7 letters in the word Liberty.
There are 7 letters in the word Freedom, There are 7 letters in
the word courage, there are 7 letters in the word bravery.
There are 7 letters in the word Justice.

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And there are 7 letters in the word America.
She's not perfect. No, she's ours.
She deserves our respect. Doing the right thing often
means being more hated, been doing the wrong thing.

(01:46:31):
It can mean being ostracized by your peer group.
It can mean being ridiculed online can mean a lot of things.
But generally, at least today, alot of people are a lot more
happy to see you do the wrong things than they are to see you
do the right things, either because it vindicates them or it

(01:46:58):
assuages their guilt, or when they've done the wrong thing
knowing that you 2 are flawed. There's a number of reasons, but
the statement that doing the right thing often means standing
alone is every bit as true todayas it has been in the past.

(01:47:18):
Important to know that just because you're standing alone
doesn't mean that you're doing the right thing.
But it took me way too long in life to recognize that sometimes
people were angry at me or doingsomething that they perceived as
making me a better person than them.
And I, I put it in that sense because I'm not trying to pat

(01:47:41):
myself on the back. This happens to everybody, I
believe. But there was a lot of times in
my life at least where an actionthat I did that I thought I
would get praised for led to a lot of anger and resentment from
certain people around me, people, my friends, sometimes

(01:48:03):
family. And I couldn't understand why I,
from everything that I had been taught, I was doing the right
thing. And in some of the cases I was
doing the right thing. But I didn't understand was that
when you are making bad choices in your life, you tend to also

(01:48:27):
surround yourself with people making bad choices and making
bad choices and doing bad thingsmakes you feel bad.
I know it sounds so simple, and it really is, but when somebody
that is making bad choices with you starts making better
choices, it's often interpreted as them trying to be better than

(01:48:52):
you, or as them trying to show off or even virtue signal.
It's important to realize that when you've built a life of
making bad decisions and surrounded yourself with people
that justify those bad decisionsfor you, either through their
own actions or they actively encourage you to make bad

(01:49:14):
decisions and support you when you do, when you start making
good decisions, you have to recognize that many of them,
rather than being happy and supportive, they're going to do
just the opposite. And so how do you know whether
you're actually making good decisions or bad decisions?

(01:49:37):
How do you know that you were making bad decisions before and
you're making better decisions now?
Principles. It's that simple.
It's a lot like drug addiction. When you're addicted to drugs,
you hang out with people that are addicted to drugs.
You tend to fit in and surround yourself with people that have

(01:49:58):
vices, Not necessarily the same vice that you have, but
something that they value above all else, that they shouldn't be
a gambling, drinking, drugs, whatever.
And you, as anybody who's ever dealt with addiction knows, the
moment that you decide to start making better choices, the
moment that you decide to get clean, not only do you have to

(01:50:23):
cut off all of the people that have enabled you in order to do
so, but those people are going to turn their backs anyway.
Because seeing you get clean reminds them of the bad that
they are doing every time. And even the ones that try to be

(01:50:45):
happy for you, they still eventually fall away because
subconsciously they they can't. They just can't keep having that
reminder. And it's much the same thing
when you start making better decisions that aren't related to
addiction, I guess is the point of what I'm saying.

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Anyway, let's let's read some ofthese real quick here.
The article says that's a sentiment.
Members of our USA TODAY opinionstaff share that they're not
proud to be an American, though a number of our colleagues feel
the opposite and upset as much. But we wanted to know what you
think. What does patriotism look and

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feel like to you in 2025? What does being an American mean
at this moment in our story? And where do you think our
country goes from here? We heard from readers all across
the country and political spectrum.
We'll see about that for this installment of the Opinion
Forum. Read a collection of the
responses below. So that's what we'll do.

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I'm a veteran and I'm not sure what being an American means
anymore. For me, patriotism meant serving
as a Navy officer for over a decade.
Thank you for your service. I used to be proud to be an
American after traveling to Europe.
Since this administration started, it has become
embarrassing. The Europeans I met now hate
America for re electing Donald Trump.

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After I explained that he didn'tget my vote, they liked me much
more. This president is destroying our
democracy. Being an American used to mean
pride in how this country works together to benefit all citizens
and protect freedom, personal and otherwise.
Now that we have a president whois a convicted felon and pardons
other felons, who is rich and protects other white rich males,

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I'm not sure what being an American means.
Our only hope is our balance of power, which now seems
unbalanced. I'm not sure how many
Republican, or, excuse me, I'm not sure how so many Republican
lawmakers can be so cowardly anddemonstrate fear against one man
they are supposed to keep in check.
The Supreme Court actions have been disappointing too.

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Our rights are being whittled away while we watch.
Now there's no need to explain that I vehemently disagree with
his positions on pretty much everything, but what I wanted to
point out was his concern about how Europeans felt.
I could give a crap less how Europeans feel.

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In fact, I feel more pride in anAmerican with knowing the fact
the Europeans don't much care for Americans right now.
Because Europeans are also locking up dissidents, locking
up peace people before politicalposts.

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They're forcing their citizens to endure waves of illegal
immigration, much like some of our previous administrations
have. They're embracing progressive
and fascist ideologies. And 250 years after the
Declaration of Independence, and200 and what, 20 some years, 30

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some years after the Constitution of the United
States, not a single country in Europe recognizes unalienable
rights for their citizens. Not a single one.
The whole point of everything I just said is that sometimes
doing the right thing is being hated by the right people.

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I appreciate and respect this man's service in the Navy, but
getting bad information from badsources of information is not an
excuse. And what I mean by that is,
first of all, our rights are being whittled away, but not by
Donald Trump and not by the current Supreme Court, at least

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not in the way that she claims. I apologize.
I read a little further down andrealized that the writer of that
opinion, her name was Deborah. But also the only way to the
come, to come to some of the conclusions that she has come to
is to not know or understand ourhistory, which again, you know

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it, it that's on you. It's your responsibility to be
informed, to know when you're being lied to.
Let's go on to the next one, please.
Let's go back to civility and respect for each other.
People cannot claim to be patriotic if they vehemently
reject America anytime their preferred party isn't ruling.

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Being a patriot is more than accepting only preferred
leadership. Patriotism is the belief that in
America we work together regardless of temporary
policies. Unfortunately, so many in
government practice anti patriotism when they viciously
attack fully half of America based on party lines.
Patriotism cannot be disguised as hate, nor can it be merely

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internal feelings. We are civilized Americans who
should respect our system no matter who wins what, but we are
being plagued by political lifers who want to vilify you
and me depending on whom we votefor.
As a nation we have gone from being able to discuss and
formulate our future to outlawing others views.
It is pitiful and anti patriotic.
Educated office holders are supposed to avoid even the

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appearance of impropriety, but now they are specifically
inserting suggestions of impropriety to both incite hate
and violence while claiming exemption from it.
Please let's go back to civilized patriotism and mutual
respect as a nation. That opinion comes from Paul in
Michigan and I agree almost completely with everything that

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he said. Part of you know, it it in this
show all the time. I make very clear when I'm
condemning, quote UN quote, the left, I'm talking about the
politicians, the people in powerand separating them from the
voters. Now it's not that I don't have
complaints about voters on the left as well, but I always

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decipher between those two, something that is rarely done in
leftist media. And even when they try to do it,
it's a pretty vain attempt because we all know that they
openly despise the person that voted for Trump, also known as
the deplorables. Whereas I genuinely do not

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despise leftist voters, Democrats, people that
subscribe, even the radicals that subscribe to these
progressive ideals that I believe are so terrible.
I do believe in holding them accountable for their actions,
don't get me wrong. But I do not believe in

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punishment for their beliefs. And that's part of what is
defined, that that is a belief that is part of what has defined
the right and conservatism throughout American history.
But there is a faction that doesbelieve in punishing it and
going after that, going back to McCarthy, that is where McCarthy

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went wrong. He abandoned the principles and
took it too far. I guess what I'm trying to say
is if you don't instill limitingprinciples on yourself, who is
going to? Some people might say the law.
The law is not about instilling morality exclusively or

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necessarily. The law is about running a
civilized society. It itself is not a moral
arbiter. Perhaps it should be closer to
1, but there are many things that the law should not, does
not, and cannot interfere with that only you can uphold for

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yourself. Addiction is a good example of
that. Drugs are a good example of
that. And you know what?
I was going to keep writing these opinions, but I changed my
mind because this is one of the things that I wanted to discuss
amongst Republicans today because I think it's one of our
greatest blind spots. Currently.
Part of conservatism is certain libertarian principles, but too

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many conservatives try to legislate morality in ways that
are not effective or possible. Drugs and addiction is a good
example. Many conservatives believe that
you should never touch any drugs, any mind altering

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substance, period. Be it alcohol, marijuana.
Some even believe that mind altering pharmaceuticals.
Pharmaceuticals are off the table and there is some
justification for that belief, sure.
But regardless of what you choose to do in your own life,
that is very different from whatwe can do with government and

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with other people's lives. You don't get to make those
decisions for other people, period.
And this plays a lot into what afuture episode coming very
shortly is going to be about. And that is what overlooked fact
fueled the fentanyl crisis that we face today.
It is the there there's two major sources of blame for the

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fentanyl crisis. One of them we know pretty well.
That's government. And we'll, we'll jump into that
a little bit more in that episode, but the other one is
right in front of your face, yetcompletely overlooked.
And it's about time the blame goes where it belongs.
But before I digress too far, this underlying principle is

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part of that, and conservatives are in part to blame because of
it. Now, I have had the interesting
experience of growing up in an extremely liberal state, yet
being pretty much conservative my whole life.
When I got out of high school, Iwas very liberal.
I've talked about it many times as a lot of kids are.
But other than, you know, from say let's say 16 to 21, I've

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pretty much been a conservative my whole life, certainly for
long before I knew what it meant.
But by growing up in an extremely liberal state, it it's
led to a lot of understandings of things, different
understanding of things then I think conservatives who are

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always surrounded by conservatives have the
opportunity to do. And I think there's a lot of
misconceptions as well. One of the things that caught me
off guard when I was in my 20s, I went to work in the oil fields
in North Dakota. I was a high school dropout and
during that time, while oil prices were insanely high,

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thanks Obama, the oil fields waswhere high school dropouts went
to make good money. And just in case I haven't said
it in this episode, for anybody who's unaware, I live in
Washington state now. North Dakota is just a few
states over. And one of the things that I
learned, this was the furthest EI had been at this point in my

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life. I had never been any further
east. I've been all up and down the
West Coast, but never any further.
E Well, one of the things that Ilearned and learned the hard way
ended up getting fired from thatoilfield job because I allowed
somebody in my apartment, which was a company owned apartment.

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OK, I'm not, I'm not justifying my actions.
Just to be clear, I did something wrong.
I got fired for it, but I didn'tunderstand the the difference in
mindset, let's put it that way, of some of these folks.
A lot of the people that I worked with, none of them were
from North Dakota. To be clear, everybody in the
oil field wasn't actually from North Dakota.

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There were very few. Most of them were from Texas,
Louisiana, other oil states downSouth that were now taking
advantage of the big boom in North Dakota.
And I learned some very hard lessons here, both about
conservatives and about trying to be too nice of a guy.

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There was an employee, there wasone female employee at the
business that we worked at. She was the front desk person.
Well, she had a real hard luck story.
Her ex had apparently just before I started working at this
company, her ex had come and apparently some that, you know,
obviously there wasn't much discussion about it around the

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shop, but I eventually learned that some shots were fired.
He tried to break in a door, etcetera, to get to her.
Now, a lot of people don't like when I say things like this, but
some people bring these things on.
And this is definitely one of those cases.
I'm not justifying the man's actions by any means.
Just again, to be completely clear.

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However, there are people that know exactly what what buttons
to push in a man to get such reactions out of them.
And there's no question that this woman was it.
Thankfully I had met people likethis before, so I was already
wary of this girl, but I wasn't wary enough, and I still had a

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lot to learn. So anyway, she had been living
with this gentleman before I arrived.
And the way that it worked was you could either, you could
either rent a company apartment.They had apartments there that
you could rent, which is what I chose to do, in which case you
can move your family over. You had your own apartment, and

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they just took it out of your check.
It was a ridiculous price, but that's because it was North
Dakota at the time during the oil boom, not because the
company was being unreasonable. It was definitely discounted.
Nonetheless, none of that matters.
And then the other option was you can work two weeks on, two
weeks off. You get a temporary apartment,

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but you got to share it with a few other guys and you fly home
every two weeks. I didn't want to do that.
I was there to work. I was there to make money.
So I got the permanent apartment.
Well, within two weeks of me being there and I knew, to be
clear, I knew a couple people from my hometown in North
Dakota. That was originally how I got
the job. By the time I started working
there, the guy who I knew no longer worked there.

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He worked somewhere else. And I'd really like to, to shout
out their names, him and his, his girlfriend, I believe his
wife now, because we didn't knoweach other extremely well.
We grew up in the same town, we went to the same high school.
And that's how I knew him, both of them.
But, but we certainly weren't close friends or anything.
And the things that that guy didto help me out when I first got

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to North Dakota, I am forever grateful for and forever in debt
to him for. But again, I digress.
I just, I I felt the need to point that out even though the
the chances of him hearing me tell the story are pretty
remote. Nonetheless, it's the first
couple weeks there I'm just getting settled in.
I'm just getting used to negative temperatures and the

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boss calls me into the office and starts hounding me.
Or or doesn't start hounding me.He asked me and without
explaining the situation he saysthat this lady is really needing
a company apartment. She needs one really soon
because she needs to get out of the situation she's in
essentially and there isn't 1 available.

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I got you know the the last one available and would I be willing
to let her move in with me untilanother one is available?
I had a 2 bedroom apartment because I was planning on
bringing my family over eventually but they weren't
there yet so I wasn't necessarily using the whole
thing anyway. At first I said I would think

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about it because I just one, didn't want to share my
apartment with anybody and two, like I said, I I was immediately
off put by this woman and I knewsomething wasn't quite right.
Well after a few more weeks, it's now been over a month, I'm
settled, I'm getting used to thejob, I'm liking it, all of these

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things right? Finally, after being hounded
enough times, I give in and I say, OK, fine.
She, she starts with can I just move my stuff in there and I can
stay with whoever she was sleeping with at the time, which
was actually somebody who I had become friends with everybody
there. The, the one thing that I, I

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will say about everybody besidesthis woman at least, was they're
all extremely good people. Every single one of them.
I mean, when I first got to North Dakota, I had I think
$50.00 in my pocket and I went to Walmart.
I bought a bunch of Hot Pockets and rice and like, you know, a

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98 cent pot and a 98 cent pan and thought I was just going to
muscle my way through the month until I got a paycheck.
Thank God that everybody there was so nice.
I ended up being fed breakfast and lunch every single day by
the other guys that I worked with.
Not because they knew I needed it, that's just what they did.
They understood the people that came to North Dakota generally

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weren't in the best of shape when they got there.
And it's just how things work. Every single day, somebody else
paid for lunch for everybody else.
So anyway, I, I finally agreed. OK, you can move your stuff in.
If you're going to go stay with what's his name anyway?
I don't care if your stuff's here.
That's fine. It doesn't bother me.
And that was the end she needed.By the end of that day, her plan

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was to live in my apartment. Her plan was to live in my
apartment without me. And guess what she achieved?
She wasn't supposed to start moving things in until the next
day. This was a Friday that we had
this discussion at work. I was going to go home, get the
place ready, quote UN quote. There's nothing to get ready
because I didn't have anything. But then the next morning she

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was going to start moving thingsover and then go stay with this
other kid until she had her own apartment, in which time she'd
come over, stuff out and move itthere.
That's the story she told the bosses, that story she told me.
Well, that Friday night she immediately starts moving stuff

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it and I'm irritated but you know, especially because I just
got done with a 12 hour shift. I want to go to bed, not that
interested, but whatever. She starts moving stuff over.
I have a friend over from Washington and I won't mention
who it is but she came over and she was a heavy pot smoker and

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even though I chose not to smokebecause I wasn't supposed to do
with this job, I did let her smoke in my bathroom.
Now this was my personal bathroom off my bedroom so there
was no reason for anybody at anytime, even with that Lady moving
her stuff in to be in there, my bedroom door was closed.

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None of this was anybody's area except for mine, including the
area she was moving her stuff into.
So there is no reason whatsoeverat any time.
Anyway, she saw us coming out ofthe bathroom together and she
didn't know what we were doing. She couldn't smell the smoke.
Because I was an old hat at this.

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I knew how to keep the smell from being a problem.
But anyway, she immediately starts going on about how weird
it is that she saw us coming outof my bathroom together.
Which, sure, if you don't know what we're doing, it was weird,
but doesn't matter. It's none of your business.
You're only here because I'm doing you a favor and letting
you move your stuff in because you made terrible life

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decisions. Anyway, she doesn't let it go.
She refuses to let it go. She starts telling the new
boyfriend who I was friends withat this point that she's going
to tell our bosses that something was up.
And then she started making a big deal of the fact that I had
foil in my kitchen, which despite coming from one of the

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opiate capitals of Washington, Ididn't quite know what that
meant. You know why she was making a
big deal out of that at the time, but she was trying to
insinuate obviously that we weredoing some sort of heavy drugs
in the bathroom when in reality the foil was in my kitchen next
to the Saran wrap because I cooked with it.

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But according to her, 20 year old guys don't cook, so clearly
I must be a heroin addict. Anyway, the the point is, she of
course tells the bosses on Monday they called me in the
office, they asked me what happened and for whatever reason
I decided I was going to tell the truth.

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And this is something that I normally do, but considering
everything I had given up to getthere, I consider lying because
she had no proof and everybody kind of knew better than to
believe anything she said anyway.
But I was hoping that telling the truth in this case would

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save my ass. It didn't.
This was most definitely one of the cases where lying with a
wink and a nod would have paid alot better because had the boss.
As long as the boss had deniability, he had no problem
covering for me. But when I told him the truth,
he had no choice. Just for those in the future

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reference. Anyway, I decided to tell the
truth. I had a friend over.
She asked if she could smoke in my bathroom.
I let her, what's her name wasn't even supposed to be there
till the next morning. I had no reason to suspect they
would come busting in my door and start unloading your crap.
That's that. You know I didn't smoke.
Feel free to drug test me. And anyway, well, I wasn't

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shocked that I got fired for telling the truth and for not
even smoking myself. I was surprised at the way that
a lot of the guys that I worked with reacted.
Now pretty much everybody there,I learned at this point, you
know, didn't like the lady and understood that she was like
this. Really wish they would have let

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me in the loop a little bit sooner, but it is what it is.
But a lot of them we, you know, we were all starting to become
friends at this point. And so a lot of them asked me
point blank, you know, why wouldyou ever be anywhere near stuff
like that? I remember being a little bit
confused because marijuana was something that was extremely

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pervasive here in Washington long before it ever became
legal. In fact, it was easier to get
before I was 21, before it was legal, and then it was after the
fact. In high school, I knew no, no
less than probably 15 people at minimum that I could call up any

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time of the day and get weed forroughly the same price, roughly
$10 a gram. That was the, the before legal
price and it was something that I would say I might be
overestimating a little bit, butreally not much.
I would say probably 50% of the population was, you know, had

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done at some point in their lifeand was OK with the other 50%.
I would say 25% were moderately OK.
Didn't mind, you know, didn't want to see kids doing it, but
didn't ask questions about what adults were doing.
And then there was about 25% that just thought it was bad.
So overall, it was about 75% that were indifferent to it or

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better. And it had kind of always been
that way. You always knew that if you went
to an old person's house and youcould smell Petruli oil and
there were signs of them being ahippie in the 60s, which is a
lot of people in the Pacific Northwest, there was weed
somewhere. And contrary to common belief,

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it was mostly old people, not mostly, you know, gang bangers
and things like that. In fact, gangs really weren't
prevalent in the Northwest. There was a little bit in Tacoma
going back for many years, but they were pretty much isolated
to Tacoma and Spokane a little bit until much more recent

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decades. And we'll go through that, or at
least the last decade, but we'll, we'll go through that a
little bit here in a few minutes.
So anyway, in these conversations that I had in the
two days that I remained in North Dakota before I came home,
I, you know, I went out to dinner with these guys a couple
more times and, and all of that.And I just, I, I remember being
so confused about the way that some of them viewed pot because

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for me, growing up on the West Coast and in Washington in
particular, pot was always seen as, you know, you shouldn't do
it till you're an adult. It's still a drug.
But it was seen as a lesser drug, or at least equivalent
drug to alcohol. And frankly, in my opinion, it
is a much lesser drug than alcohol.
And I'll explain that in a minute, though it's not that

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important. But for some of these guys who
grew up in far more conservativestates, marijuana was on the
same level as heroin. And just to give you an idea,
this isn't all that long ago. This is a decade ago, maybe if
that. It was during Obama's second
term. So that tells you the year
range. And so anyway, I learned two
things out of that. First, conservatives,

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particularly from conservative states, have some very warped
views about drugs. And I'll explain what I mean by
that here in a minute. OK, I'm not saying the drugs are
good, but just bear with me and also be careful about being too
nice because in my opinion. Now don't get me wrong, I did
something wrong. I allowed somebody to smoke my
apartment. That was one of the rules was

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obviously no drugs in the employer apartments and I got
fired for it end of story. But that never would have
happened had I not caved into something that I knew I didn't
want to do and let that woman you don't move in prematurely.
It was not my fault that she putherself in the situation she was
in. And I later found out they, they

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very, she, she very much tried to make the impression that she
was still living with the abusive guy and that's why she
needed it out so bad. She wasn't living with the
abusive guy. She'd already moved on from the
abusive guy. She was just living with some
loser who was willing to let hermove in, who thought they were
going to have a life together, even though she was already
dating this other guy that I wasworking with.
And so she wanted out of that situation.

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And since I've never told this story, I'm going to tell my
favorite part of it real quick just because this is really the
first time other than with family that I've shared this
story with anybody. The best part about the whole
thing was how indignant she acted the whole weekend.
She's going back and forth between me and the the friend of

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mine that she was dating, that Iworked with there, you know, all
of us, they knew each other, we all work together.
And she kept going back. For all I have to tell the bot,
I just, there's no way I could possibly know about that.
Keep in mind when this woman started moving stuff into my
apartment on Friday, she had been drinking heavily, but it

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was Friday night, so I didn't put too much stock into that.
That was obviously common out inthe in the oil fields.
We worked hard, we partied hard.But the next morning when she
continued to move stuff in, and I'm talking, you know, 10 O
clock, 9 O clock in the morning,when she starts moving stuff in
the door before I even got out of bed and let them into my

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apartment. I digress.
She had downed in the two hours that I stayed there.
I, I eventually just left and left the apartment to her
because I was tired of being around her.
But in the two hours that I was there that morning, she had
downed almost a 12 pack of beer herself.
So it's not as if she had a a a serious objection to mind

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altering substances. But the whole weekend she was
acting indignant about how I could ever let somebody do that
in the apartment. And I must have been doing it
too when I had foil in my kitchen.
Therefore I must be doing heroin.
And the the boyfriend kept telling her like, this is none
of your business. You know, you had no business
even being in the apartment yet and you frankly don't even know

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what you did or didn't see. You need to leave it alone.
But she was that she just couldn't morally know that
somebody had smoked weed in thatapartment and not tell the
bosses. Which again, fine, I did
something I shouldn't have whatever.
But it was just, it was very illuminating to what length
somebody like that is willing togo.

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Because the way a person like that works is she's got lies
going with every different person she meets with me.
Her lies were that she's a battered woman that needs
desperate help with her new boyfriend.
It's that. She's damaged goods coming out
of a battered relationship and she needs him to rescue her from
that. With the guy that she was living

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with before she moved into my apartment, it was the exact same
story except she had no intention of living with him
long term. He was just a stepping stone to
get into my friend's apartment or her own with the bosses.
She's just a poor innocent doe that can't catch a break
anywhere. In reality, I wouldn't be
surprised if she had her ex-boyfriend come and fire some

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shots outside of the building atwork and break a window just so
that she had a reason to need anapartment from work right away.
And she wasn't at all concerned about what was going on in my
room in my apartment. She just wanted my apartment.
She didn't want to wait for the next one.
She didn't want to share the apartment.

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She wanted my apartment. And that's fine.
You know, I, I learned a long time ago not to worry about
people like that. A lot of people, you know, they
won't revenge with somebody doessomething like that in their
life. And there's plenty of reason to.
I had plenty of reason to be pissed at her, but I never was.

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Because a woman like that and a person like that, they get their
karma every single day when theywake up.
Her life was miserable and I know very little about her life,
but I know the reason she wakes up and starts drinking from 8:00
AM on is because her life is miserable.

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Anyway, that's not what any of this is about.
But like I said, I've never, I've never actually told that
story publicly so just felt goodto tell the whole thing.
Anyway, as we're celebrating 4thof July weekend and we're
talking about independence and personal responsibility and
freedom and liberty, there's a glaring hole in the

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conservatives argument for freedom and liberty that needs
to be addressed. And obviously the whole I'm
talking about is drugs. And when I say drugs I'm not
talking specifically or or only about illegal drugs.
I'm talking about all drugs. Anything you get from a
pharmacist, a doctor over the counter, or you know,

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recreational drugs like marijuana or mushrooms, right?
DMT, those psychedelics and moreobscure drugs, cocaine, whatever
it is. Not only can we not claim to be
for freedom and personal responsibility while arguing

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that the government should play dad on this topic, but it's also
the worst possible decision thatwe can make.
It just is. Look, maybe.
Shut up. Well, shut up.
And as we all know, there is a big, I guess, debate and divide

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in the country right now as manystates, particularly liberal
states, start moving towards legalization of marijuana.
In many conservative states, some have legalized medical
marijuana, some are kind of flirting with it.
Others have said no, flat out illegal.
There's also issues like Delta, whatever it's called, Delta 9 or

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whatever in Texas, which is marijuana light, sort of.
And frankly, we all remember howit was maybe a decade ago before
all of this legalization startedtaking place and marijuana was
prevalent just about everywhere with some few exceptions and
other mind altering substances were certainly widely available.

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If not, you had the issue of synthetic drugs kind of through
the 90s and early 2000s where these manufacturers, this is the
stuff that you would get over the counter in gas stations and
places like that. You can still see some of them
today, although they're rarely used in the same way because

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they kind of got to the point where the ones that were
available were either so ineffective or so dangerous that
nobody wanted to touch them. In places where drugs are very
difficult to get, you have problems with people huffing
paint or whippets or things along those lines.
And so anyway, there are some conservatives that just kind of

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stay out of the argument. There are some that are
libertarian in view and in favorof decriminalization, very few
that are in favor of legalization, and others that
are just flat out know. And they like to use Washington
as an example, Colorado as well for why legalization is a bad

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idea. But there's a lot of very
important information that they either don't know or leave out.
Washington is a bad example of what to do, but not about
marijuana. Washington is a great example on
marijuana. Not a great but a good example
on marijuana. But there's a lot of things that

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coincided with the legalization of marijuana that gives fodder
to these completely anti drug conservatives.
Let me start with the basic argument first.
The basic argument is simple. If you believe in freedom, you
don't get to tell other people what they can and can't do
Period. Yes, we have laws that

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criminalize action, but those are actions against other
people. And using drugs is not an action
against another person, is an action against yourself.
You don't get to, you don't get to determine that for other
people, and you're not helping by trying to.
That's the most important point and the point that I really want
to drive home. This isn't about my desire to

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smoke weed freely, OK? This isn't about my desire to do
cocaine because I want to. I don't actually.
In fact, I did smoke earlier in my life.
I smoke occasionally, but it's about once a year at this point.
I don't really drink at all and I don't use other drugs unless

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prescribed by a doctor. And I will have a small secret
to reveal at the end of this episode that, depending on who
you are and where you live, you might be surprised by.
Doobie a medicine now? So anyway, those who are
familiar with history might knowthat some of the founding
fathers were hemp farmers. Some of them were quite prolific

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partiers. They like to drink heavy.
They like to hang out with ladies of the evening.
Lost all the liquor money, boys.That's the way she goes.
That's the way she goes. That's right.
That's the way she goes. That's what I said.
So you lost all our drink? Money is what she goes.
She's gone. That's right.

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That's the way she goes. Sometimes she goes, sometimes it
doesn't. She didn't go.
That's the way she goes. Yet Despite that, they were God
fearing men who did more good for humanity than perhaps
anybody else to walk the earth in thousands of years, with the
exception of perhaps Jesus. But I would imagine that even

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Jesus would tip his hat to the founding fathers, considering
millions of men and women have lived free thanks to their
selflessness despite the fact they were philanderers and
drunks. God calls on us to be the best
people that we can be, but he also knows that we're all
sinners and the sins of the founding fathers were between

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them and God. It did not negate what they did
for their fellow man. Now this isn't the basis of my
argument, but I feel it was worth pointing out further as
somebody who does live in a place that is entirely consumed
by drug addiction, fentanyl, andjust despair everywhere.

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In part because of the town I live in.
And then of course living in Washington as well.
It's it's pretty prevalent here in a lot of places, but the town
I live in specifically is an oldlogging town.
All industry is pretty much goneand every attempt to bring
industry back has been blocked by some mystical force, which I

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call progressives. But before I digress, the point
is it it's a dying town. There is basically no there.
There's no future here for people.
This is where people now come toretire or to live out their life
in a tent shooting heroin. Well, fentanyl I guess now.

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Or graduate high school and get the hell out.
And of course there are some exceptions like myself who find
resources or income sources thatare outside of the town itself
without having to leave. But because of that lack of
prospect, particularly for the lower and under educated amongst

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us, it's been one of the highestdrug addiction places.
It's not the right way to put it, but you get what I'm saying.
In Washington for some time, before the current fentanyl
crisis even. And that's true of many logging
towns here on the West Coast. Ever since the 1970s, probably

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at least 30% of the kids that I went to high school with and
would have graduated with are living on the street doing heavy
drugs today. Even my former Co host Tim, who
I went to high school with was one of them and he's one of the
lucky few and one of the strong few that got out.

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I have another friend whom I call my brother who wasn't so
lucky. So anyway, the point in all this
is that I'm very familiar with addiction.
I'm very familiar with the causes, the catalyst that get
people into addiction and the catalyst that actually get them

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out of addiction, All of it. I wish I wasn't, but it's just
kind of the nature of living where I do.
Unfortunately, there is no statein the Union that there isn't an
area that is afflicted by these problems.
And to be clear, I'm not saying that liberal states have it

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right. Obviously they don't.
They, there's no question that right now the bluest states are
in the worst shape compared to the red states.
But the red states are not unaffected by any means.
And while they are certainly in better shape, they're not in
perfect shape either. They've seen an explosion in

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fentanyl and methamphetamine useas well.
Now, like I said, in the coming episode, we're going to discuss
the opiate crisis specifically and some of the concerns of
that. That's not what I want to
discuss here today. What I want to discuss here
today is the mindset that we need to have on the right,
especially among conservatives, on how to deal with this.

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And the government is not how todeal with this, plain and
simple. While liberal States and
Democrat states have done a terrible job, they do have one
core concept right? And it's something that so many
conservatives just for whatever reason, this is a blind spot

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that they have. This is a hypocrisy that they
carry. And while this is certainly not
the argument that I really care that deeply about, well, I
shouldn't say that I do care deeply about it because I see so
many afflict, so many people afflicted with the problem.
And we're not going to solve theproblem with the current
hypocrisy that we have. And so I do care about it.

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But this is certainly not the problem that I want to champion.
My goal is not to be the conservative that brings drugs
to the conservative Party or theargument for drugs to the
conservative Party. I really don't want to do that.
But because it is something I know a lot about and because I
can see this glaring hypocrisy, I have to at least discuss it.

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So anyway, we're we're going to use Washington as the example
because I know it the best. We legalized marijuana in this
state about 10 years ago. So there's a good set of data
and a good set of information out there that is now available.
The same data is often pointed to by conservatives on why
legalization was a bad idea. However, there's some there's

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some mistakes that they make when they look at the data,
either intentionally or unintentionally, that
drastically skew it. And the problem is we didn't
just legalize marijuana in a vacuum.
There were also many other things that I believe were
mistakes that happened with thator in conjunction with it or
shortly after it that are the real problem.

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And, and just to be clear, because I'm not trying to, I'm
not trying to hide my perspective, I believe that
legalizing marijuana was the right thing to do, plain and
simple. Now aside from the fact that
marijuana has unquestionable medical benefits and can be, and
note that I said can be a miracle drug for certain people,

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particularly those with cancer or chronic pain and chronic
illnesses, epilepsy of course, we know CBD is extremely
valuable in dealing with seizures and epilepsy, but in my
opinion, there is no better drugfor pain specifically.

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It is available besides heavy narcotics, besides fentanyl and
Percocet and those things. I, like many Americans, have
been unfortunate enough to suffer a serious back injury.
I had a 2000 LB steel bucket slammed into the lower part of
my spine while I was working andof course I was prescribed

(02:34:50):
painkillers for this because it was back when before they
cracked down. Heavy on that and Percocet
works, but it comes at a high cost and it it only works if you
couldn't it it temporarily it it's only a temporary fix
because you either have to continue to take more as

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everybody knows this is how people end up addicted.
You either have to continue to take more or you have to go
through periods of not taking itand just dealing with the pain.
It it only works for a short period of time.
No matter what weed, marijuana is not like that marijuana.
You can take the same small amount every day and it will

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have the same benefit of pain relief pretty much indefinitely.
Now, I don't take marijuana every day for my pain.
I do lean a little too heavily on ibuprofen, but in general,
just exercising the muscles in my back and dealing with it,
it's kind of the only option. I mean, I could smoke weed every

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day, I just don't want to. What people who don't live with
chronic pain understand is chronic pain is not like when
you injure yourself. It's not an extremely sharp pain
that lasts for a period of time and then starts to dole out and
go away. Chronic pain is a dull pain that

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isn't in itself that bad. It, it, it's really not, you
know, it, it, it's not somethingthat that is debilitating in the
sense that I physically cannot get out of bed when my, when my
back is hurting. What it is, is this constant
dull pain that never stops. And for some periods of time,

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there is nothing that provides relief.
Laying down, sitting up, walking, nothing makes it go
away. And so it's just constant right
there. And what it does is it just
drives you insane because you cannot get a second of relief
from it. And This is why so many people

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that deal with chronic pain issues end up addicted to drugs
because you get to a point whereyou're almost not even you
because you've been driven so insane by this, this constant
dull pain to the point where youcan't focus, you can't enjoy
anything. The the smallest annoyances set

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you off because you literally cannot focus on anything except
for this pain and trying to get a second of relief from it.
Which for the record, if you aresomebody that deals with chronic
pain, The reason I've chosen personally not to use drugs on a
consistent basis to deal with itis because of course they all

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suffer the same issues. I believe that marijuana is one
of the best drugs for dealing with it, but that that's also
not my argument for it. OK, we're getting we're getting
there. I'm just kind of knocking out
some of the common arguments as we get there.
But but ibuprofen or you know, over the counter painkillers or
prescription painkillers, of course, all have serious side

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effects when you take them chronically.
And of course, the issues with addiction with opiates, whereas
if you just choose to live with the pain, the good news is when
you do reach those points where you just cannot get relief, you
now have all those options available to you for a temporary
period of time. But you have to have the
discipline to utilize them temporarily.

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So anyway, it it does stand as avery important drug that this
country discounted for a long time because of a bunch of
nonsense. We all understand that the
reefer madness and outline marijuana in the 1st place.
That was all BS. We get that there are a lot of

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people in conservative states that still, you know, they're,
they're so drilled with that propaganda that it might as well
be heroin to them. Let's let's clarify a few more
things too. Marijuana is not an addictive
drug. There's no question about that.
You can smoke marijuana today. You can not smoke it tomorrow

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and be just fine. The difference and the important
thing to know is there's two types of addiction.
There's chemical dependency and psychological dependency.
You can become psychologically dependent on anything, and as a
mind altering substance, certainly marijuana is something

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that a person who is already predisposed to become
psychologically dependent on something can easily become.
But the chemical dependency is what makes drugs like opiates so
terrifying. Because even if you aren't prone
to being psychologically dependent, or even worse if you
are after a few days of taking them, you're going to become

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incredibly sick if you stop taking them and your body and
your mind are literally going totell you to do whatever it takes
to take them again. Marijuana doesn't do that.
There are many drugs. Well, there are some drugs that
are like that. They don't have no chemical
dependent factors. Now if you smoke weed every day

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for a year, quitting, you're still not going to have a
chemical dependency, but you might kind of like quitting
cigarettes. You might be more irritated than
usual for a few days. You might find getting to sleep
a little bit difficult, whateverregardless.
But that's that's more psychological than it is
chemical it. The same thing happens with

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caffeine even. In fact, caffeine's one of the
most addictive drugs. But I digress.
And so the point is, there's a lot of things in marijuana's
corner as far as medicinal use. We all know that and most people
these days acknowledge that there is good medicinal use for
it, and that's fine as long as it's stays in that medicinal

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realm. Alcohol is one of the most
dangerous as far as chemical dependencies.
You can quit even opiates. They opiates have an extremely
strong chemical dependency in the sense that it it almost
takes over your brain. It it honestly does, it takes
over your brain in when you're withdrawing.

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But the chances of serious medical complication from
withdrawing from opiates, no matter how much you do, is
actually very small. It's very difficult to make it
through that time, but the actual the the actual medical
risk during that withdrawal is very low.

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Alcohol, you can't do that. You can't just quit drinking if
you've been drinking alcohol chronically or you could die.
And the same thing is true with drugs like Xanax or Valium.
You cannot just stop taking themif you've been taking them
consistently. You have to be tapered off or
you could die. Most people don't know this, but

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Xanax in particular is extremelydangerous because taking too
much one time is enough to give you seizures from withdrawal
just one time. So anyway, while some, well,
anybody can become psychologically dependent on
anything and marijuana is definitely something that that

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is, you know, higher on the listthan say, Tylenol because it
does have a psychological effect.
There is no chemical dependency and there is no, you know,
withdraw concern as far as medical concerns.
There are a very small number ofpeople that do have very bad
reactions to smoking weed. You know, there's lots of

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different ways to ingest THC, which is, of course, the
psychoactive, one of the psychoactive ingredients in
marijuana that by far it's smoking.
So I'm just going to say smoking, but that includes
eating too. A lot of people that have bad
reactions actually eat it first for whatever reason, they
believe that that's going to be a better first way to do it.

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You should never eat THC ediblesuntil you've smoked weed because
the the effects are far longer. They can be far more apparent at
farm, you know, far more severe and because of the the long
delay between eating and feelingthe effects, people tend to

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consume more thinking that it's not working and they end up
consuming a lot more than they bargained for.
Just FYI. Nonetheless, I think we all
agree that if somebody is terminally ill or or
legitimately sick and in need ofa drug for whatever reason,
whether it's going to help theirseizures, whether it's going to

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help the pain, whether it's going to relieve symptoms like
chemo, patients use marijuana a lot for throwing up, or people
use mushrooms for psychological issues like PTSD.
Whatever it is, we pretty much all agree that medicine should
be available to the people that need it for medicine.

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Which is why the medicinal argument is not my argument.
My argument is twofold. It's the freedom argument that
I've already made. It is, frankly, if if you
believe in freedom, if you believe in the Constitution, if
you believe in individual responsibility and individual
liberty, then you don't get to tell other people what drugs
they can or can't take, period. Whether or not they need them or

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don't need them, who must prescribe them.
You really believe that the government should be doling out
drugs? They can't fix roads regardless.
The other aspect of this is thatif we want to end the opioid
crisis, if we want to end the fentanyl crisis, and if we want

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to start getting back to a relatively moral society that is
not afflicted by addiction so terribly, then we need to cut
the restraints. I'm not talking about
decriminalization. I'm not talking about
medicalization. I am talking about full

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legalization. That is the only consistent
principle with conservative ideology.
So like I said, marijuana was legalized 10 years ago in
Washington, roughly. Let's look at marijuana itself
for a second. Now, I told you prior to that,
so I was in high school prior toit being legalized.

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It was legalized either right around.
Let me see exactly. Let me get let me get you an
exact number. So we were the first state to
legalize recreational marijuana and we did so in 2012.
So prior to marijuana being legal, I was in high school.
Post it becoming legal, I was still under 21 for a couple

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years, but really about the timethat the stores opened up
because it took a little bit of time for them to work out
exactly how this all was all going to happen.
And I don't, you know, I don't remember any stores being open
prior to me being allowed to go in them.
However, they must have because I certainly wasn't 21 in 2012.

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But by the time I was 21, I knowstores were just starting to
open because I remember the first store opening where I
lived going into that when it first opened.
It was the very first one where I lived.
And I remember going into it on the day you were around, the day
it opened just to check it out. And I, I still smoked at this

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time fairly regularly too. But anyway, we also, we had
legalized in Washington state medicinal use medical marijuana
in 1998. So it already been medically
legal for a long time. And of course, the medical
system was kind of a joke. You had to get a medical
license. And just like you do in many

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conservative states today, in order to legally buy marijuana,
you go to a specific doctor. There were specific doctors that
handled nothing but medical marijuana licenses.
You give them a wink and a nod and 100 bucks.
You get a license that's good for a couple years and then you
can go to dispensaries. There wasn't a ton, but there,
you know, you wouldn't have to go too far to get to a

(02:47:38):
dispensary and you could buy a fairly large amount.
I think you could also grow likeone or two plants yourself,
things along those lines. Something I never bothered to
do, most people never bothered to do because as long as you
were only as long as it was onlypersonal amounts, police really
didn't care about marijuana at all in this state.

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By the time it got close to legalizing and it was prevalent
everywhere, you could get it almost anywhere.
And it you weren't having to go and deal with MS13 to get a, a
dime bag of pot, you were, like I said, often going to a
grandmother or a grandfather. In fact, one of my favorite

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people ever that I bought from was a little old lady.
She wasn't actually a grandmother.
She didn't have any kids, but she was a little old lady that
lived out at the beach and sold marijuana.
Now, we didn't do everything right in this state when we
legalized it, but legalizing recreational marijuana was one
of the best decisions that this state has made in a long time.

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The greatest downside is the massive tax.
There's a 37% excise tax along with state sales tax, which is
almost 9% these days, and there may or may not be an extra 6
1/2% that goes with that. I'm not sure if this is old
information when the state salestax was only six, 6 1/2% because

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it's almost 10 today, or if thisis a second marijuana sales tax
that is applied. But basically, it's roughly 50%
that marijuana is taxed. And of course the idea was it's
going to pay for schools and yadda yadda.
It it doesn't do any of that. Letting the government take more
tax solves no problems. I'm fine with, you know, taxing

(02:49:31):
marijuana to allow recreational sales, sure, but the
government's just going to wasteit anyway, especially if it's a
Democrat government. They're just going to spend it
on their pet projects because just like with the lottery, at
least in progressive States and in my home state of Washington
especially, what they end up doing, they claim, oh, we're
going to have this new tax that's going to pay for the
schools and all. We're going to be flushed with
cash. And we would be if that was

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true. But what ends up happening is
they take that money from the new tax.
They take the same amount that the new tax is giving to the
schools. They take the same amount out of
the school tax and put that in the general fund so they can
spend it on whatever they want. So you don't end up with more
money. The money just comes from a
different source and they take the original money into whatever

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the hell they want with it. So tax it, don't tax.
It doesn't really matter to me. I don't believe in high taxes
anyway. I obviously agree there has to
be some level of some sort of taxes, but I'm also not arguing
that the tax money is somehow extremely beneficial.
The other thing we did was we made it very specific.
Where you go to a marijuana store, OK, you know, a lot of

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old gas stations have been converted.
It's very similar to liquor stores that we used to have in
Washington. Some places aren't familiar with
this, but in Washington all liquor had to be sold through
state controlled. I don't think they were
state-run. They were still privately owned
businesses, but they were state controlled and the only thing
they could sell was liquor. Around the same time as
legalizing marijuana, we got ridof that.

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So now you can buy alcohol at grocery stores and places like
that, but marijuana still can only be sold in a store for
marijuana. You know, I, I can go either way
on this. I think that they should be
sold. I I think it should be sold at
pharmacies. It's a drug.
I feel like drugs should be soldwhere drugs are sold.
But you know, I don't, I don't necessarily have a strong

(02:51:25):
argument either way. I will say the one advantage to
it being a store that sells onlymarijuana is it makes it a lot
easier to to have control over who comes in and makes
purchases. As far as ID is checked very
strictly. In fact, most of these stores
there is somebody sitting at theentrance checking IDs before

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you're even allowed in the store, and then your ID is
checked again when you purchase.Of course, before it was
legalized, nobody ever checked my ID to buy weed.
The youngest I bought weed was 14.
Actually, the youngest I bought weed, I was 12 or 13, and I
wasn't buying it for myself. I wasn't buying for myself at 14
either, but I had an older sister.

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I bought her some when I was 12 or 13 once or twice.
And then when I was 14 I had bought it for my friends at
different points and probably by15 was the first time I tried it
for myself and that's how easy it was and how prevalent it was
to get. Nobody stopped me at 12 years
old from buying it. Now to be fair to some of the

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grandmas and stuff that were selling weed at the time, they
probably would have turned me down at 12.
However, I had no problem at 14.I had to get it when I got it
for my sister at 12:00. I definitely got it from a
teenager and for basically that whole time between 14 and, and
when I graduated, the cost was about the same.

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It was 10 bucks for a gram. It was, I don't know, you got
like 10 bucks off or something if you bought a quarter, which
would be 7 or 8 grams depending on how nice your dealer was.
And then an ounce was about $200and that's 28g.
So basically you saved a third of the price if you bought an
ounce. The quality as far as how fresh,

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how safe, and what I mean by safe is whether or not you knew
where it actually came from or if it came, you know, packed in
a brick up a mule's ass across the border.
You really had no idea. And it was entirely just
dependent on what whoever you were getting it from was able to
get at the time it it, it could change drastically.

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Some stuff was really strong, some stuff was really weak.
And it just depended on, you know, so many factors that there
was no way to control it. You got good stuff, you got bad
stuff. There was nothing you can do
about it. And of course there was a lot of
myths and disinformation out there about how to tell how
strong it was and what differentmetrics meant and all these

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things, right. There was no the scientific
measurement like there is on theside of a bottle of alcohol that
tells you exactly how much alcohol is in that bottle, or in
a prescription tells you exactlyhow many milligrams of a
particular drug is in that pill.This meant that in my
experiences as a teenager, I hadtimes where I smoked one hit and

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was passed out on the couch, andother times where smoking a
whole bag did nothing. I was very lucky.
I never got anything that was laced with anything else.
I'd certainly heard stories of it happening.
I do know some people that it happened too, but it never
happened to me specifically, though it easily could have any

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number of times. And it's also important to point
out, you know, I mentioned the fact that I live in a town that
has serious addiction prevalenceanyway.
And so some people might be thinking, well, that's why it
was so easy to find. I didn't live here the whole
time I lived in high school or the whole time I was in high
school, rather. For one, I lived in, I've lived

(02:55:07):
in affluent places. I've lived in less affluent
places, I've lived in other states, so it, it wasn't all
here in this town that I currently live in.
And two, I was able to get it out of town pretty much no
matter where I was at in Washington.
At most I'd have to bug two or three random people before I

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could find somebody that could give me marijuana.
So anyway, the prices were relatively inexpensive.
There was some danger, though. I never had any issues luckily
and I had no issues as a teenager getting a hold of it.
I also never got in any trouble because of it.

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I got caught with it a few timesby my parents who I did get in
trouble with my parents to be clear, and my parents were not
happy nonetheless. But I got caught by the police
one time. They only made us get rid of it
what what we had left. In fact, I didn't even tell my
parents, but there was even a period of time where I smoked it

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every day at school for a short period and didn't get caught or
in trouble. The point of all this is that if
you live in a conservative stateand you think it's not that
prevalent, it is. And if once you're in those
circles, you know it. It's accessible.
If you have a kid that is in middle or high school, they know

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how to get it. No matter how much you might
think they don't, no matter how much they might think they
don't, they know how to get it. And this is the thing.
The same is true with with fentanyl and all these other
drugs. No matter how hard the you as a
parent or the government tries to make it, accessing these
things, it it's not that hard. It's not nearly as hard as you

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want it to be. I promise you that.
And it still wouldn't do any good.
My stepdad kicked me, threatenedto kick me out of the house over
smoking weed and he would have had I got caught again.
It just didn't end up happening that way.
I ended up moving out before that took place, but it didn't
stop me and that wouldn't have stopped any kid I knew.

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And if you're wondering why I'm focusing so much on this time
before it was legalized and and when I was a kid, it's because
AI think that preventing sales to minors is one of the most
important factors. I think that the longer a a kid
or a person waits to try mind altering substances, the better

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off they're going to be. It's certainly up to a a point
at least. Frankly, I think that the law
for whatever it is, whether it'salcohol, whether it's I, I guess
weed, whether it's whatever elseit is, I, I think it should be
18 because you're either an adult at 18 or you're not.

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I don't believe in laws of requiring to wait till you're 21
to buy a gun. I don't believe in laws
requiring till you're 21 to drink because you're either an
adult and you gain full responsibility and full of
rights at 18 or you don't. If we're going to make it 21,
fine, make it 21. But this half and half thing, I

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don't think I, I don't think it works and I don't think it's,
it's beneficial. And honestly, I think the only
thing is doing is inspiring parents to to let their children
be children too long to to hide the realities of life too long.
And the problem with hiding realities is your kids are

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entirely unprepared for it. Part of the problem with kids
that don't try these things whenthey're a little bit younger.
And I'm not suggesting that thatthey should.
I'm just saying part of the problem with that is they then
Get full access to certain things like alcohol and don't
know anything about it and bad things tend to follow.

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But anyway, the last thing that's important to note about
this pre legalization period is driving.
There was no tests and there wasno laws or driving under the
influence of marijuana. There was no anything if you got
pulled over, even if a cop had reasonable suspicion that you

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had been smoking marijuana, there was no way to give you a
DUI for it unless you were driving dangerously.
But people that smoke weed generally Dr. OK.
Now, it's not to say that you can smoke weed and drive or
anything like that pretty much everywhere.
It's legal. It's illegal to do that.
And you shouldn't do it because you are impaired, but you're

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impaired in a different way thanalcohol.
And it, you know, I, as much as people want me to say that it's
entirely the same thing, it's not When you are consuming
alcohol, you lose motor function.
You lose, you know, you lose allsense of, of your actions.

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You don't have the control that you think you do.
Marijuana is not the same thing.Yes, when you're under the
influence there are psychological effects, but they
don't really interfere with yourmotor skills.
And your reaction skills and things like that.
There are some exceptions, of course, but it's not the same
thing. Now, that's not to say that it's
not illegal and you shouldn't doit as far as driving after

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you've consumed pot one way or another.
Because while you might not be restricted in the same way you
are when you drink, you are still impaired in some form or
fashion and in a way that could be dangerous on the road.
You know it. Most people are aware of the
stereotypes and their stereotypes for a reason.

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Drunk people run stop signs, stone people wait for them to
turn green. That's kind of true.
But no matter how you slice it, both are a problem, right?
But anyway, the point is there because there was no mechanisms
in the law to deal with it and because there was no way to
really prove it. There is no breathalyzer or or

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instant test for marijuana like there is alcohol.
And marijuana stays in your system so much longer that just
because you have marijuana in your system now doesn't mean it
hasn't been, you know, six days since you smoked.
And so it's very difficult to determine a intoxication level
for marijuana and to have a fineline like point O 8%, which is

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what it is in most states for alcohol, which by the way, how
well do those point O 8% laws work out?
Not that well. What does help is information.
So anyway, now that marijuana islegal, I would say it took one
year after legalization before virtually all of the illegal or

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illicit sources of marijuana dried up.
You know, I'm sure there were a couple people hanging on
somewhere for whatever reason, but there's basically nobody
today because you simply can't compete unless you're growing
your own weed, which you can't do unless you are, you know, you
have a commercial license. You just can't compete.

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And one of the benefits to that is, of course, now you have the
stores that are checking ID and getting marijuana as a kid today
significantly harder than it waswhen I was a kid.
It's still possible. You can still go pay a bum, you
know, to buy it for you, but thepenalty for doing that is pretty
steep. And so it's harder to find

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somebody willing to. And much like gun stores, pot
stores are very, you know, careful not to just willingly
let that happen. If you go into a pot store and
it's very obvious you're buying for somebody else, they're going
to start in on 20 questions to ensure that at least to the best

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of their ability, of course, that you're not trying to sell
it to kids or that you're not trying to buy for kids, but
there's no doubt that kids stillget their hands on it.
OK, I can't deny that. But here's one of the main
differences. By buying pot from dealers when
I was young, that also exposed me and gave me access to many

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other drugs that I wouldn't haveeven considered looking for if
it wasn't for that. You know, you go and buy a dime
bag from a local dealer and he goes, hey, I got these pills.
Or, you know, I'm, I'm getting some coke later this week or
whatever it is, right? And further, like I mentioned
about lacing earlier, you have no idea what you're getting.

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You have no idea what the strength is.
You have no idea whether it was brought to this country in a gas
tank and soaked with dangerous chemicals.
There are so many different possibilities and and dangers
that you are exposed to when youhave to go to the black market.

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Whereas even if a kid were to somehow get it from today, which
would mean it would have to comefrom a legal store one way or
another, it comes with a packagethat has warnings on it that
tells them exactly what is in itand what they're smoking.
It's been tested by an independent lab for purity and

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strength and pesticides and all of these other things that the
other thing is what were these plants grown with?
Obviously cartels not known for using the safest chemicals.
Whereas virtually everything this is Washington and a liberal
hellhole after all. So almost all of the pot around
here is vegan. I'm, I wish I was kidding.

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I'm not it testified, but I mean, it's there's good things
about that too. It's pesticide free, it's often
synthetic fertilizer free, all of those sorts of things.
And if you ask me, that does matter.
Not, not the vegan thing, but itdoes matter that if kids do get
access to it, which is unquestionably harder, they have

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some facts about what it is they're getting.
And they're not getting something that has fentanyl all
over it because a careless drug dealer was weighing their
fentanyl and their weed on the same scale.
They're also not introduced to these other people that will
provide them other more dangerous things when they're
ultimately getting it from a store either.

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And so how did the stores knock out all the dealers?
Very simple. Cost, cost and supply, by which
I mean variety. When I, when I used to go to a
dealer, even in even in the bestof times right before it was
legalized and virtually all law enforcement around marijuana had
stopped because it was about to be legal anyway, I again rarely

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knew where the marijuana was coming from as far as where it
was grown. Occasionally you know, there
would be a person that grew frommedical they would also sell a
little extra on the side to the illicit dealers.
So sometimes you could kind of find out because of the medical
thing, but in general, you neverhad any idea.

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I certainly smoke stuff that wasprobably years old and who knows
what else, right? But even at best I might have
one or two choices of a type of wheat.
Whether you know, between this bag and this bag and which one's
this and which one's this, who knows?
In general, when a dealer said this is, you know so and so

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strain, they probably made it up.
Now, I remember the first time Iwent into a legal pot store, I
told you was right after the first one opened in the town
that I've lived at the time. And they had, they had one
strain available, I believe, anda bunch of empty shelves.
And I remember saying to the person that I went with, you
know, if this is what it's goingto be like, people are just

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going to keep buying it illegally.
And there was also a concern that the massive tax on it was
going to lead it to be so much more expensive than it was
elsewhere that nobody was going to buy it legally anyway, other
than a small percentage of people that probably wouldn't
have bought it otherwise. And for a short period of time

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after that legalization, becausethere was a lot of problems in
figuring out how they were goingto do this.
And medical, you know, everybodythought that the people that
currently supplied medical wouldjust supply recreational too,
but it didn't work out that way.Pretty much all the medical
shops and all the medical growers shut down and you had to
reapply as a recreational shop or grower in order to to switch.

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Don't ask me why they did it that way, but they did.
It's a liberal state. Therefore the regulation was
extremely heavy and this led to a lot of problems.
I guess it's a better way to putit.
So anyway, for a short period oftime, let's say the first six
months, like I said, the first time I went in, there was one
one thing available and that wasit.

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And then they're slowly started to become more, but a lot of it
was high end expensive stuff. And so everybody I knew
continued to just buy from theirshady dealers that were straight
10 bucks a gram or less if you bought more.
But by about the year mark that completely changed and you could

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walked into a store and there was a minimum of 100 different
strains available in all different ways, whether it was
pre rolled joints or pre ground so that you could roll your own
joints or nugs themselves, whichis basically the way it comes
off of the plant or oils and edibles and anything you can

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imagine to wear. Now if you walk in there,
there's probably no less than 1000 strains in an average
store, even a small town, you know, store, there's probably no
less than 1000 strains and 10 to20 different ways of consuming
it. So that was that was one factor
that got rid of the illicit sales because you know, you go

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to your illicit dealer, you haveone or two options.
You don't know much about it. You don't know where it comes
from and you're getting straightbud, which is the way it comes
off the plant. Nothing else.
Anything else you want to do with it, you got to do it
yourself occasionally. It was fairly common in
Washington by this point to get oil because people had started
to experiment with that before it became legal a lot more.

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But that was it. For those that don't know oil,
and there's lots of different names, wax, dabs, whatever you
want to call it. It's just a concentrated form of
the, the, the psychoactive components of marijuana that are
extracted from the green plant itself.

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And it turns into this, you know, like golden, kind of
thick, syrupy mess really in some states, because it is
concentrated, treat it like heroin or other things, even if
they don't treat marijuana that way, which is kind of silly
because while it is concentrated, it is stronger.

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And you don't, it is somebody who is consuming it should know
those things. They should understand what the
differences are. It it doesn't make it any more
like heroin. It doesn't really make it any
more dangerous. You still can't technically OD
from THCI say technically because just like you can't get
chemically dependent on it, it'snot that certain people cannot

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have issues. And if you're going to have
issues with weed, of course yourissues are going to be the same,
if not a little bit worse with concentrated weed.
So I just don't want to say anything absolute one way or
another. But anyway, digressing again
that that's one factor was the wide availability and the wide
variety. The other is the cost.

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By the end of the first year, the cost had come down so
dramatically to where you know it's $10.00 for one gram from
your illicit dealer and that pretty much never changed to at
the legal store you can get a 1gpre rolled joint ready to smoke.
You know exactly what's in it. You know exactly what strength
it is. You can pick from any number of

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different strains because marijuana is a very unique drug
in the fact that it's the same drug no matter what quote UN
quote strain it is, but different strains which are
just, it's like the difference between snow peas and sugar snap
peas or English peas. They're all still peas, but

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there can be some serious differences between them as peas
and different strains of marijuana are very much the
same. Some have, you don't there's,
I'm not going to go through it, but there's a wide range of
effects from these different strains.
And so you can pick amongst those and you're talking a

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dollar $2.00 a piece, so 110th of the price of buying it from
the illicit dealers. Obviously that's the bottom line
of what wiped them out and even the most die hard people who had
no interest in paying a 50% tax and all of that.
If you're paying a 50% tax, but it's still 110th the price, it's

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pretty hard to argue with. In fact, that's not even the
cheapest price. I was.
I went in there to a local pot shop before I recorded this just
to because I haven't been in onein a while, because, like I
said, I don't smoke all that often.
And because we're in the first decade of these stores existing,

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I guess we're technically not it.
I can't believe it was 2012. We're we're into the second
decade. But regardless, it's still early
enough on that if there's, you know, if you were to go in once
a year, there's some changes every time you go in.
And so anyway, I went in becauseI hadn't been in an over a year,
I don't think to one of these stores and just to check it out

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so that you know, I was relayingtrue information.
And you could get a whole oz, which is 28 grams that would
have cost you no less than $200 before legalization for $20.
And it wasn't even bad stuff like normally you would think it
used to be. You could get ounces of what was

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called shake before, probably not as cheap as $20.00, but you
could get them for like 50 or 60bucks.
And that's generally the type ofthings.
And what shake is. It's the parts of the plant that
are cut off from the the marijuana itself.
The marijuana grows in like these thick little bushels and
then there's a bunch of leaves and all of that stems, all of

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that stuff. They get cut off and it's just
the little thick bushels or flowers that are marijuana or
what we refer to as marijuana. The shake would be all that
other stuff cut off. You could still buy that 50 or
60 bucks before it was legal. And that's often what people
would make oil and stuff out of because it still contained THC

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and other psychoactive ingredients, but at a much
smaller amount. And you didn't want to smoke it
because it was gross. But regardless, at $20.00 an
ounce for actual bud, not shake,you know, now you're looking at
less than a taller gram. There was just no way for the
illicit sales to compete. It's not possible.
And more importantly, the profitmotive isn't there for the, you

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know, the, the criminal element to want to be involved.
If they can't make significant profits, it's not worth the
risk. And it's very important to note
that the the criminal aspect, the crime of selling marijuana
illegally didn't really change before and after.

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It was the same. And so because there was large
profit incentive before criminals all over the the state
were selling it. But once that profit incentive
dried up, there was no change inlaw that had to be made.
The law didn't stop them before and there was no change in law
that stopped them after. It was strictly the profit

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incentive. And I think that even if the
prices were the same, in fact, Ican say this with near
certainty, you would still have virtually nobody buying
illicitly because there's just the, there's too many other
reasons to buy it legally. The variety of different
strains, the variety of different types ways to smoke or

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ingest it, the the information available on what you're
getting. Not to mention you don't have to
hang out with the drug dealer, which anybody who has ever done
knows. It's just no fun.
If you've ever seen the movie Pineapple Express, the way Seth
Rogen's character describes it in the beginning of the movie

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where it's just uncomfortable. They pretend you're your friend,
but you're not friends, you're there to buy something from
them. It's very much like that.
It's never a pleasant experience.
That or it's somebody that's shady or you don't really know
and so you're concerned you're getting ripped off the whole
time and you hope that if something bad happens, it's just
you getting ripped off and not you getting beat and your

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kidneys taken. So anyway, All in all, looking
at marijuana specifically beforeand after legalization, I've
tried to give you a very detailed picture.
I think I've done that. It's pretty much all upside to
legalizing at this point. OK, Now one of the things that a
lot of conservatives point to that are very anti marijuana is

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the rate of people getting marijuana.
DU is going up in Colorado and in Washington specifically.
Now I can't speak for a lot of other states, but I can't speak
for these two. The rate of people driving under
the influence of marijuana has not changed at all.
The and that's that's my anecdotal experience.

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OK, I want to be clear on that. The reason for a large increase
in the number of people that aregiven DU is for marijuana
influence is due to the fact that there isn't, with the
legalization of recreational marijuana, there suddenly became
laws for that and there became metrics to measure it.

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There wasn't that before. So there was no arrests before.
Now it's not to say that there was never some.
If somebody, you know, if there was an extreme case where
somebody was clearly unable to drive or they had, you know, I
guess passed out at a stop sign,it's possible then of course
they would have received a DUI for that.
But there was no specific metrics and there was no

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specific laws that targeted it. And so the stats certainly
weren't kept separately. Now it is interesting to note
while DUI arrests, including formarijuana are up because again,
they started measuring for marijuana total DUI arrests for

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drinking and driving, which is unquestionably more dangerous.
And I will take anybody to task on that.
There is no question at all thatoperating a vehicle drunk is far
more dangerous than operating a vehicle under the influence of
THC. But the number of arrests for
people that are operating a vehicle drunk have decreased

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considerably from pre marijuana legalization to post marijuana
legalization in 2010, two years before legalization.
And if you're wondering why I picked 2010, I didn't look at
any other years. So if this happens to be an
outlier then I apologize. But I picked 2010 because like I

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said, things got very LAX for those last basically the last
year before it became legal for recreational marijuana anyway.
So 2010 I feel is far enough back two years back that it
represents what things were likewhile it was legal for medicinal

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purposes, but still illegal recreationally.
In 2010, there were 34,594 totaldrunk driving arrests.
Now, again, we're just looking for people who had consumed
alcohol right now, and that's inWashington state, a total of 392
juveniles that accounted for, let's see, 1515% of all arrests

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statewide. In 2010, the last number since
legalization that there is data for is 2023, and there was
22,000 and 75 total drunk driving arrests in the state,
which interestingly counted for a larger percentage of total

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arrests, 16.9%. Although I guess there's good
reason for that, which we'll getto in a second.
But that means there was almost 1/3 less people driving arrested
for driving drunk 10 years afterlegalization of marijuana then
there was before. And even if every one of those

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10,000 people went on to drive stoned, I would still say that
we are far safer off without question.
Because while driving stoned is still extremely dangerous and
illegal. The risk of a traffic fatality
is far less, and this is also held up by the numbers.

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The total number of arrests wentdown from 2010 to 2023, about
1/3. The total number of fatalities
dropped about the same. In fact, it might be even more
than that. The total number of traffic
fatalities or drunk driving dropped about 1/3 as well from
around 356 in 2010 to two. What was it 243 I think in 2024,

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so roughly 1/3 as well. Here's the other thing, there's
no more people smoking weed today than there was before.
A lot of conservatives that don't live in these states try
to argue that the trend show more kids are smoking or vaping
for example is the same thing they they point to vaping but
the fact is the kids that are vaping now or smoking cigarettes

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before that the kids that are smoking weed now would have
smoked weed before anyway. Like I said it was extremely
prevalent pretty much no matter where I was at in the state
before it was legal and while I was a teenager.
There is numerous times that I bought marijuana in a random
town where I knew nobody. It was not hard to find.

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Now, yes, I will say that you probably get more people trying
it then would have before because the risks have been
greatly reduced. You know what you're getting,
the cost is cheap and you're notgoing to go to jail for trying
the drug. But as far as people that are
chronically using marijuana, there is no more today.

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In fact, there might even be less today.
Not significantly, but it's roughly the same as it was
before. And for evidence, I point to
prohibition. Prohibition did not limit the
amount of people drinking at all.
The only thing it did was increase the amount of people
being harmed by purchasing liquor from illicit sources

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dramatically. In fact, that's one of the
things we're going to talk aboutin the episode about opiates
coming up. And so if your goal is to get
less people to to use illicit substances, then legalization
should be your goal. Now, having given you the whole
back story and explaining where we are now, where there's an

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argument to be made that drunk driving deaths have gone down a
little bit. And now that doesn't mean it's
directly attributable, attributable to marijuana, but
there could be some causation there, at least to some degree.
Maybe not arrests for driving under the influence of marijuana
have gone up, but that's becausewe have no data to compare to
before. Again, from my anecdotal

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experience and from the people Iknow, it's no different today
than it was before. The number of people consuming
it today? Pretty much the same as it was
before. And for the people that are
consuming it and maybe need it for medicinal purposes, it is
more accessible, It is cheaper, and it is much safer to attain
than it was before. And at the same time, it is less

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accessible to kids than it was before.
Now, I can't say how much less accessible, I'm not a kid
anymore, but I can tell you thatthere is no question that it is
no more accessible. Perhaps it's not any less, but
it's certainly no more. If you were a kid who didn't
know where to get marijuana, before you go and ask somebody

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that clearly knows not that hardto find, they would probably get
it for you or connect you with somebody that would get it
today. If you're a kid that wants to
get marijuana, you got to find basically that same person and
have them go to a store for you if they will.
So the amount of barriers in your way are roughly the same,
except before there was no chance of that other person

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being denied because somebody suspected he was buying for
kids. There is at least that
possibility now. Further, the consequences are
much higher now. And frankly, the fact is
marijuana is a plant. It comes from the ground.
If your objections to marijuana are religious, then you should
consider the fact that multiple places in the Bible it says that

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all the comes from the earth is under the domain of humans.
That includes plants. Like marijuana, it is perhaps
the most natural drug in use today.
It is it. It's the only drug that I can
think of besides maybe like mushrooms that you smoke

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directly from the plant itself. There is no intermediate
synthesizing step or concentrating step to using it
like there is with opium or withaspirin or with caffeine or any
number of other things or with alcohol.

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And well, there are certainly health risks to marijuana.
There are health risks with literally anything that you
could possibly ingest. And I can't, you know, there,
there's obviously a lot of debate about it.
So I'm not going to claim definitively one way or another.
But from what I can tell from the information that's available

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and for my anecdotal experience,marijuana is safer, particularly
if it's, if it's eaten rather than smoked, then virtually all
other drugs that we use out there, including alcohol,
including aspirin, including ibuprofen or Tylenol.
And there's a number of reasons for that, but there's no need to
go through them. So what is it exactly about

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marijuana that makes it so different and not OK compared to
these other vices? If you believe that you
shouldn't use any vices and you don't drink and you don't use
Tylenol or aspirin and, you know, unless absolutely
necessary or whatever, that's fine, don't use marijuana.
But the fact is, all of those other things are legal.

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And this one thing is not because of what we know was
somebody trying to protect theirbusiness back in the early
1900s. What?
What's the excuse? I mean, what makes it so much
worse? I don't understand that.
And frankly, you know, I don't care either.
Even if marijuana was extremely addictive and extremely

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dangerous, my argument is still the same.
My argument for marijuana is thesame as my argument for all
drugs. But marijuana is a good one to
use as an example because we have a before and after of
legal, not legal. And so having painted that
picture and we've gone through the the DU is that are pointed
to sometimes. One of the other things and

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probably the last one that I'll go through here because we got
to wrap this up is the conservatives point to is the
extreme prevalence of fentanyl now in Washington, the problem
with homelessness that is increased and crime and all of
that. And in their opinion, that's
because of marijuana. Now, in in a small way, that is

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partially true. However, it's not true at all.
And here's what I mean by that. The claim is that because we
legalize marijuana in Washington, it incentivize all
of these people that that perhaps sometimes use marijuana
or or sometimes didn't, but maybe used it to fund other
things. It incentivized a bunch of

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criminals and addicts to come toWashington where they wouldn't
have to worry about weed at least.
But it you know it, it's hard toput any specific number on that.
I would argue that it's probablyvery low because the punishment
for marijuana for marijuana is pretty limited in most of the

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country. Even in places that are pretty
hard against it. If you just have a recreational
amount, you know it, it's a fineusually at the most.
And so are you really going to move across the country to avoid
the occasional fine? Probably not.
But I I could agree that there is a potential that that had

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some influence. The problem is there's no way to
know. And that also is a unique
situation because we were the first to legalize.
Now, many states have legalized,and so even with some of it
being illegal, sure, that might incentivize some to move over to

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one of the many legalized states.
But people move around all the time, and that's always
possible. And if everybody were to
legalize, which is what I'm arguing for here, is that the
conservative holdout states needto stop holding out because it
is none of the government's business, then that point

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becomes entirely moot. But the problem with trying to
determine whether or not that even plate a factor in
Washington is we did a lot of other things besides just
legalizing recreational marijuana.
Progressives have run this statecompletely, I mean, 100%
completely. As far as everything West of the

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Cascades, which is the mostly liberal side of the state,
that's where Seattle and Tacoma and Bellevue and Olympia, which
is the capital, that's where allthose cities are and many
others. But that only leaves Spokane on

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the east side of the state, Yakima, which is kind of towards
the the South center. You have Vancouver across from
Portland. Those are kind of the other
three bigger cities, Spokane being probably the biggest, but
the main portion of Washington is this smaller section West of
the Cascades, and that is the liberal portion.

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It is only the significant metropolitan areas that make
this state blue. Olympia, Seattle, Tacoma,
Bellevue, and the surrounding cities there, which are all you
know from. To an outsider you would just
consider it Seattle. Basically, in total, it's about

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6 counties that Vote Blue. Every other portion of this
state is red. And so there is on a local
level. There is some more conservative
areas, of course, but Democrats have controlled the state
legislature and the governor's office and the main seats at the

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state level for well over 40 years.
And one of the things that has happened is Jay Inslee was our
governor until this last year. Where his protege Bob Ferguson
took over, but he was in his third term.
And in Washington state, that isthe maximum, I believe.

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I don't know if there's actuallya limit.
I've said this many times and I've never, I've never bothered
to look it up whether there's anactual limit or he just decided
to limit himself to three terms.But I don't believe we've ever
had a governor sit more than three terms.
It's possible. It's just precedent to like it
was at the federal level since Washington.

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Either way, Jay Inslee was a radical progressive.
So even with the Democratic control for the majority of this
time or all of this time, really, he was still a step in
the radical direction. And the first four years, of
course, he lied to get into office.
He said no new taxes. He said all these other things.
None of it was true. And he was very careful through

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his first four years. Once he won his second term, I
think he felt he wasn't going towin a third.
And so why not? You know, just like all
progressives in their second term, that's when they do all
the really bad stuff. Same is true for Bill Clinton,
same is true for George Bush, same is true for Barack Obama,

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Joe Biden. Bill Biden didn't see 2 terms.
He knew he was only going to getone.
But you get to the last two years of that first term and
that's where the bad stuff really starts happening.
And we all know this is because they don't have to worry about
campaigning again. Well, after this legalization,
Inslee was in his second term and started to let his his true

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progressive color show. And that brings us up to around
2020, where Inslee is now going into his third term.
He announces after he wins his third term that he's not running
for any more period. And that's where things
seriously go downhill. But the COVID is, is really what
got him the third term because everything was chaos.

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That, and I'll be straightforward.
I do not believe that we have legitimate elections here in
Washington. Like I said, 6 counties
determine every election for this state and very
consistently. And something's just not right
about that. It's just not right.
It's really eerie here. Something's fucking even at, you

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know, at a certain point you would think that some
Republicans would get elected somewhere and of course in
Republican districts they do. But anything that is statewide,
it's not going to happen and it hasn't happened.
So anyway, the point to all thatis that in this post
legalization period, Jay Inslee was going full radical left and

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Seattle was doing exactly the same thing.
The Seattle City Council basically represents nobody in
their district. Even more, they've gone too
crazy even for the voters of Seattle.
Which is another reason why I don't believe the elections are
legit here. Because there you could not find
a single person in Seattle that is satisfied with the Seattle

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City Council is what it is. Not a single person on there on
the City Council and yet all those people continue to win re
election somehow and it's alwaysin quite mysterious ways the the
most radical. Her name is Shama Sawant and I
believe she only won after several recounts and perhaps a

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runoff the last time around. Good luck finding a single Shama
Swant fan anywhere. Sorry I'm digressing.
The point is Seattle, which of course is the largest district,
the most populated in Washington, they completely
decriminalized drug use during this time.
And they also decriminalized homelessness.

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And a lot of the crimes associated with the, you know,
theft under 1000 basically was like theft under $950 or
something became decriminalized.All other drugs became
decriminalized. So as long as you had personal
amounts, you couldn't be arrested for it.
You couldn't be arrested for being homeless.
You couldn't be even moved for being homeless in Seattle.

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And on the state level, they didn't go quite as far as to
decriminalize it in law, but drugs were essentially and have
been decriminalized in this state for almost as long as
marijuana has been legal in thisstate because the governor
instructed the state police and therefore other police

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departments to stop dealing withthat.
Now, some municipalities have fought back and have done a much
better job. In fact, the Supreme Court case
was won by, I believe Marysville, WA and several other
districts and and cities, municipalities join them in this
lawsuit where they were. I think it went all the way to
the Supreme Court. And what it said was, yes, they

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get to decide whether or not they enforce the laws because
like I said, there was no official decriminalization at
the at the state level. They just stopped enforcing
stuff all together, which has not only been extremely
unpopular among voters, it's also been a major problem.
We all know how Portland is. We all know how San Francisco is

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in LA, Washington and in particular Seattle in the
Seattle area has been much the same, but even these more
conservative areas, because theycan't get relief.
And the Supreme Court decision has helped, but only somewhat.
And I've talked about these things many times before, but
because all of this stuff coincided, it muddles the

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information as far as the legalization of marijuana.
I think without all of these other issues, all of this other
decriminalization, which I thinkis the absolute worst solution,
and I'll explain why in just a second.
It's very simple. But because of that, we, we
don't have any idea. And if it weren't for those

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things, I think that we could UNquestionably look at the
legalization of recreational marijuana and see nothing but
good coming out of it as far as compared to illegal recreational
use of marijuana. Be clear about what I'm saying.
I'm not saying using marijuana recreationally is good.

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I'm saying that the state getting out of it only had
upside, other than of course, the taxing scam.
But I'm not that concerned aboutthat.
The decriminalization is what has made homelessness and crime
so rampant in this state. And that goes for illegal

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immigration as well, which was also essentially decriminalized
in this state. We are, I don't know if we
consider ourselves a sanctuary state, but certainly multiple
cities consider themselves sanctuary cities.
And it's that decriminalization,particularly of the harder
drugs, that has attracted so much outside crime into

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Washington, not just from other drug addicts and drug users who
realize I can go there and do mydrugs and not be harassed.
That definitely happens. But it has nothing to do with
the legalization of marijuana, but also the crime it invites.
Because in decriminalizing this drug use, somebody's got to
supply those drugs, but it's notlegal to supply those drugs.

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So it's still left open to the cartels and to criminals.
And so anybody can buy them legally.
And it's much easier to deal them because as long as you're
not carrying a bunch of individually baggy, you know,
packaged drugs and you're not carrying a large amount of them,

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a cop can't arrest you for it because you can just say it's
for personal use. Now, again, thanks to this
Supreme Court decision, there are a lot of.
A lot of districts that have started enforcing these laws
again, but it's specifically Seattle, and the larger Seattle
area has not. And still you don't on a broad
scale, at least West of the Cascades.

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And in larger cities like Spokane, it's not even, it's not
even touched. And this is unquestionably where
the real problem lies. Obviously if you decriminalize
crime, you get more crime. It's also worth noting that's
why crime stats appear to be down in states like Washington.
They're not actually down a lot of places to stop reporting, and

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things that used to be crimes are just no longer considered
crimes. Therefore it looks like there's
less crime. People don't even bother in
Seattle, for example, to call the police if their car is
broken into, sometimes even if their car is stolen.
If they're attacked on the street but the attackers gone,
they often don't bother to call the police.

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Unless there is an active violent crime going on.
The Seattle PD is unlikely to respond because they can't.
They're they're overstrapped andthey're extremely limited in
what they're allowed to do. And God forbid they ever have to
use their firearm to defend their life, the Seattle City
Council will make sure they get thrown in jail.
Unless it's a white guy, then it's OK.

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Meaning unless it's a white guy that the police shoot, then it
doesn't matter. But anyway, because of these
things, you, you cannot compare the problems that we have today
because of legalization of marijuana.
It it's just not doable. And so yes, I truly believe, and
we'll go through this in a little more detail in the in the

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coming episode about the opiate crisis, but I truly believe that
legalizing, not decriminalizing criminal penalties should still
remain high. But legalizing even fentanyl is
the path forward. Legalizing meth, cocaine, all of

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it is the only path forward one.It's the only one consistent
with conservative values. And I'm happy to debate anybody
on that. Anytime you can send me an
e-mail jbu@usa.com, I will put you on the show and we can
debate it. And frankly, that is the only
part that that matters to me is that's the only argument

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consistent with my principles, period.
I believe that it is not my job to morally to be the moral
arbiter rather of what other people do.
And so no matter how much I might disagree with it, no
matter how much I might not wantthem to do it, and no matter how
much I don't want, you know, these things to affect my family
because they're happening in public or whatever.

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It's not my place to use the government to tell somebody else
what they can and can't do that doesn't interfere with somebody
else. But also having seen so many
people go down the path addiction, the, you know,

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whether it's legal or illegal, it's going to have, it's not
going to have a huge effect in and of itself on the amount of
people that end up becoming addicted to drugs.
I think it'll it will limit it alittle bit, but it's not going
to eliminate the problem and it could lead to a temporary
increase too. It could, but I believe that

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increase would only be temporaryand you do at least get a lot of
benefits. So with minimal or no increase
in the amount of people addicted, you also get a lot
less O DS because you're not getting, you know, mystery
drugs. You get a lot less crime that
that's the thing, you don't. Marijuana within a year became

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entirely unprofitable to the cartels, to the criminals.
And so all crime related to marijuana completely went away
completely. And yet there's basically the
same amount of people smoking today as before.
And yes, there might be more people trying marijuana then

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would have otherwise. Sure, a small amount still you
could call it a significant amount, but still a small
amount. I would say 10 to 20% tops of
people that of all the people that that haven't smoked and
wouldn't smoke, I would say 10 to 20% of them are more likely
to at least try it because it's legal.
But who cares because those aren't the people of concern

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anyway. Those are responsible
individuals that because it is legal and because it is a known
drug at this point and the side effects are known, the dangers
and risks are known. Where it's coming from is known.
It's freaking vegan. It doesn't matter if they try
because they're not the type of people that are going to go and
get addicted anyway or that are going to go and start committing

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crimes in order to get marijuana.
It doesn't happen. As far as the harder drugs
though, you eliminate the criminal activity around it.
And does that mean all crime just disappears?
No, but it drastically reduces their funding.
It drastically eats into their funding, and they have to go to

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other things like smuggling animals, for example, which we
deal with other ways, right? I can't solve all problem, and
there's no way to solve all crime.
But there's no question that thewar on drugs has made the
cartels and other criminal organizations more powerful than
ever, just like Prohibition madethe mobs more powerful than
ever. And all of the crime that you

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think of in the early 20th century, gangsters with Tommy
guns shooting up downtown New York or Chicago was because of
prohibition. And all of the crackdown in the
world didn't stop the crime. What did was re legalizing
alcohol and it just went away. And that's by far the biggest

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benefit is is cutting the money supply to criminals, which is
going to drastically reduce especially deadly criminal
activity. The other aspect of crime is the
addicts, right? You get addicted to a drug like
opiates that you get physically I'll from if you don't have it,
it causes people to do things that they wouldn't otherwise do,

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like rob and steal. And so this is crucial.
While I am advocating for legalizing the drug and the
personal use of the drug, I am not advocating that we just
decriminalize the crime associated with it.
In fact, by legalizing the drug,and I'll explain exactly what I
mean by legalizing here in a second, it frees up all of those

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resources that were previously used to focus on, you don't
going after petty users and petty dealers to now deal with
the crime that goes along with the users and with the dealers.
And so I would be perfectly fineif in exchange for legalizing,
we increase the punishments for petty theft, for robbery, for

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car theft, the things that drug addicts use to feed their
disease. But these things are going to
naturally go down on their own too, because if it is legalized,
and when I say legalized, I meanfull legalized like marijuana is
in this state, I think you should be able to walk into a
Rite Aid or a Walmart pharmacy or ACVS pharmacy and buy heroin

(03:48:01):
off the shelf. Now, heroin is a dangerous drug.
So I do think that there should be like some sort of middle
ground where either you have stores very similar to the pot
stores here in Washington that sell these dangerous things that
you need to be 21 plus to buy, right?
And people are IDD before they even enter the store.

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Or the other option is to have it over the counter like other
dangerous drugs are at the pharmacy that don't require a
prescription to where, you know,you can even say the first time
someone buys it, they have to sign a notice about the dangers
of this drug and chemical dependency and all of that.
However, all that stuff should be on the box.

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But that way there is somebody that is at least verifying that
this person is over the age of 18 in order to buy this.
And among the other effects, oneof the effects of legalizing in
such a way where Pfizer is now able to sell heroin again, Bear
is now able to sell methamphetamine again.
You the, the people that are buying it, they know exactly

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what they're getting. They know exactly how many
milligrams of whatever active ingredient is in it.
They know that it is clean and pure and not laced with
something like fentanyl. Or now there's even bigger
concern about some sort of fentanyl that's laced with like
a horse tranquilizer or something that's going around in
Washington because we just keep enabling this decriminalization

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thing. Regardless, all of that risk is
now gone. And so now instead of having
fentanyl zombies everywhere, yes, you still have plenty of
people that are addicted to opiates, but a lot of those
people will be able to function because a lot of the people that
are on the streets today did notnecessarily intend to become
fentanyl addicts. Yes, they had a problem with

(03:49:47):
Percocet or prescription pills, Vicodins or heroin, but fentanyl
was basically just thrust upon everybody because the cartels,
because it was so much cheaper, they were getting it for free
essentially from China. They started incorporating it
into everything. So you're eliminating all those
problems and it's legal to buy and it's cheap to buy.

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It will become much cheaper thanit is even on the streets, which
is already very scary cheap. But because of that, less crime
has to be committed for the addicts in order to get it.
In fact, they're incentivized to, even if they're addicted, be
able to hold down a basic job sothat they can, because they can

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actually afford to maintain their addiction at that point.
And so they can remain productive citizens in society
even while facing this addictioninstead of a drag on society
while facing the addiction. And sure, there will still be
some that choose life, a crime and they can go to jail, plain
and simple. So look, I, you know, I've gone

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on for a long time at this point.
So to wrap it up very simply, it's the only principled stance
if you have conservative values,in my opinion, and I have good
argument for that. Like I said, send me an e-mail
JBU at USA if you want to argue with me on that.
Or you can find us on x.com backslash, JBU under score show.

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But also I think that the upsides are incredibly
tremendous. The other thing that wasn't
mentioned is now people that aredealing with chronic issues are
able to access these important drugs.
For example, Percocet is a dangerous drug because of
chemical dependency. However, it's a relatively safe

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drug, addiction aside, and it's extremely valuable to people
that need it. And they shouldn't have to pay
thousands of dollars to a doctorevery 30 days in order to get
permission from the government to buy it, plain and simple.
Same is true for every other drug out there.

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Should you still get the OK fromyour doctor before you start
taking anything? Absolutely.
But the government shouldn't be able to force you to see a
doctor in order to buy something.
You want to put something randomin your body?
That's your choice. And trying to legislate that
morality hasn't worked. It doesn't work, and it's

(03:52:20):
inconsistent with conservative values.
If we want to start fixing this problem, we need to stop trying
to waste our time and money and effort and everything else on
trying to stop the the abuse of these drugs.
It's not working. It doesn't work.

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If it worked, I might have a different point of view, but it
doesn't work, period. And so principally speaking, we
need to legalize and the upside is all upside.
The downside I believe would be,and I believe there is good
evidence that it is very limited.
He smells like dope. Buffs.

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Listen, you know how important this is, all right?
We lost six good plants of squirrels last week.
I got squirrels peeing in the plants.
Bubbles. They're digging them up.
I can't have that. All you guys think about is
dope. Well, she's been through the
fire before, and she can take a whole lot more.
So we raise her up every morningand we bring her down slowly
every night. We don't let her touch the

(03:53:23):
ground, and we fold her upright.On second thought, I guess I do
like to brag. Somebody proud of that ragged
old flag. The United States of America is
the greatest country on the planet and the greatest country

(03:53:46):
to ever exist. But if we want to keep it that
way, we need to take a serious, hard look at our history, at in
particular the last 100 years and where we are going.
We need to realign ourselves with the principles of

(03:54:07):
conservatism and republicanism. We need to re familiarize
ourselves with why this country was founded and what the
intentions of the founding fathers were.
We need to re familiarize ourselves with the history.
I am proud, extremely proud to be an American.

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I cannot possibly feel luckier for being born in this country.
I want everybody that recognizesthe importance that America
plays in the world today, that appreciates our Constitution and
understands our founding and wants to be an American, to come

(03:54:51):
and be an American. But you have to come legally.
You have to assimilate. You have to give up your
allegiance to anywhere else. If you're coming here, it is to
be an American and nothing else.Every single generation must
fight to maintain the principlesof freedom.

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Our generation is no different. But you cannot fight for
principles that you do not understand or you are not
familiar with. So if you love this country like
I do, then that is the absolute first thing that you must do is
familiarize yourself with our history.

(03:55:34):
Understand what it is that makesthis country great at a deep
level, not a surface level. Understand why the founding
fathers chose certain aspects and set certain aspects of our
government up in specific ways. And finally, the most important

(03:55:54):
aspect that all Americans need to re evaluate and look inward
on is the fact that this countryis built on personal and
individual liberty. And in order to maintain
individual liberty, you must maintain a level of personal

(03:56:15):
discipline, personal responsibility.
It is not the government's job to provide for you.
It is your job to provide for yourself.
It is not the government's job to protect you.
It is your job to protect yourself.
Is not the government's job to keep your children or your

(03:56:36):
friends or your neighbors from becoming addicted to drugs.
It is your job to be there for yourself, your family, your
friends and your neighbors, to know the people who live around
you and to work together with those people to prevent the need
for government in every way possible.
In order to truly be free, you must be truly self reliant.

(03:57:00):
You cannot do that alone. You have to do that through
cooperation with others. So this 4th of July weekend and
coming up on the 250th anniversary of the greatest
country to ever exist, I urge you, I beg you to remember that

(03:57:22):
none of this came easily. And a lot of blood and sacrifice
was necessary to achieve the level of comfort and freedom
that you enjoy today. And if we are going to maintain
that, it requires effort. You have an obligation as an

(03:57:43):
American to maintain, to protect, and to uphold the
values and the principles that ensure liberty for all.
Happy 4th of July. Happy birthday to this great
country that we call home. Thank you to the men and women

(03:58:06):
who serve in the United States military of all branches and of
all levels, to the men and womenthat serve and protect our
communities. And finally, God bless the
United States of America. Understand what I'm saying?
I get killed for telling you that.
Kill walking the doggy. You didn't think I forgot, did

(03:58:39):
you? Real quick, You can find all of
the episodes and all of the links to the show at anchor dot
FM back slash JBU. You can find us on xat-x.com
back slash JBU under Score Show,and you can send me an e-mail
directly at jbu@usa.com. Now, as promised, I'm going to
read the original first draft ofthe Declaration of Independence

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as written, a Declaration of Representatives of the United
States of America and General Congress assembled.
When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for
a people to advance from that subordination in which they have
hitherto remained, and to assumeamong the powers of the earth

(03:59:23):
the equal and independent station to which the laws of
nature and of nature's God entitle them, a decent respect
to the opinions of mankind requires that they should
declare the causes which impel them to the change.
We hold these truths to be sacred and undeniable.
That all men are created equal and independent.

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That from the equal creation they derive rights inherent and
inalienable, among which are thepreservation of life and
liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
That to secure these ends, governments are instituted among
men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the
governed. That whenever any form of

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government shall become destructive of these ends, it is
the right of the people to alteror to abolish it, and to
institute new government, layingits foundation on such
principles, and organizing its powers in such form.
As to them shall seem most likely to affect their safety
and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate

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that governments long established should not be
changed for light and transient causes.
And accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more
disposed to suffer while evils are sufferable, than to right
themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are
accustomed. But when a long train of abuses
and usurpations, begun at a distinguished period, and

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pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to
subject them to arbitrary power,it is their right, it is their
duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new
guards for their future security.
Such has been the patient sufferance of these colonies,
and such is now the necessity which constrains them to expunge

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their former systems of government.
THE HISTORY of his present Majesty is a history of
unremitting injuries and usurpations, among which no one
fact stands single or solitary, to contradict the uniform tenor
of the rest, all of which have in direct object the
establishment of an absolute tyranny over these states.

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To prove this, let facts be submitted to a candid world, for
the truth of which we pledge a faith yet unsullied by
falsehood. He has refused his assent to
laws the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
He has forbidden his governors to pass laws of immediate and
pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation,

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till his ascent should be obtained, and when so suspended,
he has neglected utterly to attend them.
He has refused to pass other laws for the accommodation of
large districts of people, unless those people would
relinquish the right of representation, a right
inestimable to them, and formidable to tyrants alone.

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He has dissolved representative houses repeatedly and
continually for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on
the rights of the people. He has refused for a long space
of time to cause others to be elected, whereby the legislative
powers, incapable of annihilation, have returned to
the people at large for their exercise, the State remaining in

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the meantime exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without
and convulsions within. He has endeavored to prevent the
population of these states for that purpose, obstructing the
laws for naturalization of foreigners, refusing to pass
others to encourage their migration hit her, and raising
the conditions of new appropriations of land.

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He has suffered the administration of justice
totally to cease in some of these colonies, refusing his
assent to laws for establishing judiciary powers.
He has made our judges dependenton his will alone for the tenure
of their offices and amount of their salaries.
He has erected a multitude of new offices by a self assumed

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power and sent hit her swarms ofofficers to harass our people
and eat out of their substance. He has kept among us in times of
peace standing armies and ships of war.
He has affected to render the military independent of, and
superior to the civil Power. He has combined with others to
subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our Constitutions,

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and unacknowledged by our laws, giving his assent to their
pretended acts of legislation. For quartering large bodies of
armed troops among us. For protecting them by mock
trial from punishment for any murders they should commit on
the inhabitants of these States.For cutting off our trade with
all parts of the world. For imposing taxes on us without

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our consent. For depriving us the benefits of
trial by jury. For transporting us beyond seas
to be tried For pretended offenses.
For taking away our charters, and altering fundamentally the
forms of our governments. For suspending our own
legislatures and declaring themselves invested with power
to legislate for us in all caseswhatsoever.

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He has abdicated government here, withdrawing his governors,
and declaring us out of his allegiance and out of his
protection. He has plundered our seas,
ravaged our coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives
of our people. He is at this time transporting
large armies of foreign mercs tocomplete the works of death,

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desolation, and tyranny, alreadybegun with circumstances of
cruelty and perfidy unworthy thehead of a civilized nation.
He has endeavored to bring on the inhabitants of our
frontiers, the merciless Indian savages, whose known rule of
warfare is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes,

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and conditions of existence. He has incited treasonable
insurrections in our fellow subjects, with the allurements
of forfeiture and confiscation of our property.
He has waged cruel war against human nature itself, violating
its most sacred rights of life and liberty, in the persons of a
distant people who never offended him, captivating and

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carrying them into slavery in another hemisphere, or to incur
miserable death in their transportation.
Hit her. This piratical warfare, the
opium of infidel powers, is the warfare of the Christian King of
Great Britain. Determined to keep open market
where men should be bought and sold, he has prostituted his

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negative for suppressing every legislative attempt to prohibit
or to restrain this execrable commerce, and that this
assemblage of horrors might wantno fact of distinguished die.
He is now exciting these very people to rise in arms among us,
and to purchase that liberty of which he has deprived them, and

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murdering the people upon whom he has also obtruded them, thus
paying off former crimes committed against the liberties
of one people, with crimes whichhe urges them to commit against
the lives of another. In every stage of the
oppressions we have petition forredress in the most humble of
terms. Our repeated petitions have been

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answered by repeated injury. A Prince, whose character is
thus marked by every act which may define a tyrant, is unfit to
be the ruler of a people who mean to be free.
Future ages will scarce believe that the hardiness of one man
adventured within the short compass of 12 years only on so

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many acts of tyranny, without a mask over a people fostered and
fixed in principles of liberty. Nor have we been wanting in
attentions to our British brethren.
We have worn them from time to time of the attempts by their
Legislators to extend a jurisdiction over these our
States. We have reminded them of the
circumstances of our emigration and settlement here.

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No one of which could warrant sostrange of retention, that these
were affected at the expense of our own blood and treasure,
unassisted by the wealth or the strength of Great Britain.
That in constituting indeed our several forms of government, we
have adopted one common King, thereby laying a foundation for
perpetual league and amnity withthem.

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But that's the mission to their Parliament was no part of our
constitution, nor ever an idea, if history may be credited.
And we appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, as well
as to the ties of our common kindred, to disavow these
usurpations, which were likely to interrupt our correspondence

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and connection. They too have been deaf to the
voice of justice and of consanguinity, and when
occasions have been given by them the regular course of their
laws of removing from their councils the disturbers of our
harmony, they have, by their free election, re establish them
in power. At this very time too, they are

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permitting their chief magistrate to send over not only
soldiers of our common blood, but Scotch and foreign
mercenaries to invade and delugeus in blood.
These facts have given the last stab to agonizing affection, and
manly spirit bids us to renounceforever these unfeeling
brethren. We must endeavor to forget our

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former love for them, and to hold them as we hold the rest of
mankind. Enemies in war, in peace.
Friends, we might have been a free and great people together,
but a communication of grandeur and of freedom, it seems, is
below their dignity. Be it so, since they will have
it. The road to glory and happiness

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is open to us. We will climb it in a separate
State, and acquiesce in the necessity which pronounces our
everlasting Abdu. We, therefore, the
representatives of the United States of America in General
Congress assembled, do in the name and by the authority of the
good people of these States, reject and renounce all

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allegiance and subjection to theKing of Great Britain and all
others who may hereafter claim by, through, or under them.
We utterly dissolve and break off all political connection
which may have heretofore subsisted between US and the
people of Parliament of Great Britain.

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And finally, we do assert and declare these colonies to be
free and independent States, andthat as free and independent
states, they shall hereafter have the power to levy war,
conclude peace, contract alliances, establish commerce,
and to do all other acts and things which independent states

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may of right do. And for the support of this
declaration, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our
fortunes, and our sacred honor. From the papers of Thomas
Jefferson, 1760 to 1776. Thomas Jefferson's original
rough draft of the Declaration of Independence.

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