July 3, 2025 • 62 mins
This week on the JUST DO YOU. Podcast, we’re diving into a conversation that bridges science, spirit, and sound with a truly remarkable guest—Isaac Sabu. Isaac’s story is one of resilience, innovation, and deep purpose. An immigrant from Iran, Isaac carved out a career that most only dream of—spending over 20 years as a cutting-edge sound engineer, designing IMAX theaters and building some of the world’s most advanced automation systems. But that’s just the beginning of his remarkable story.
What sets Isaac apart is his ability to fuse high-level engineering with ancient healing wisdom. He is the founder of Biotune, a groundbreaking company using frequency-based technology to promote wellness on a cellular level. He’s also the creative force behind Spirit Journeys, an experiential platform that has brought countless immersive meditation and cultural healing experiences to life in just the last three years—helping participants reconnect with their inner selves through sound, storytelling, and community.
Isaac’s work doesn’t stop at innovation. He is deeply committed to service, offering therapeutic sound sessions to veterans and individuals facing mental health challenges. His mission is clear: to bring the healing power of sound to underserved and marginalized communities—people who are often left out of conversations around wellness and access to holistic care.
In this episode, Isaac shares how sound was, and can be a powerful tool for healing trauma, regulating the nervous system, and reconnecting to purpose. We explore his personal journey, the science behind frequency therapy, and why now—more than ever—we need modalities that speak to both the body and the soul.
This is a conversation that will expand your mind, ground your heart, and perhaps even shift the way you think about healing.
As a special gift to our JDY. listeners, take advantage of Biotune's core program, TUNE IN, TUNE OUT, RESTORE & TUNE DOWN and their 30 day free trial, visit https://mysoundwise.com/soundcasts/1747859182099s?c=JYD20
To follow Isaac on Instagram, visit https://www.instagram.com/vibecreat8r/
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To learn more about Biotune, visit https://www.biotunewellness.com/
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Hello everyone.
Welcome to the Just To YouPodcast.
My name is Eric Nicole, and I'myour host.
If you are a first timelistener, welcome to the
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I.
The Just Do You Podcast iscentered around a network of
conversations, which are meantto connect us, to inspire us, to
find our own confidence, our ownvoice, and to live our own
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truth.
And who knows, we might evenlearn a little something new
that ultimately allows us tolive in the sweet spot that I
like to call the Just do youspace of being.
Each week, I have the privilegeof sitting down for unscripted
conversations with friends,family, colleagues, community
leaders, and influencers thatall share their own personal
journeys.
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I hope that you enjoy our timetogether as much as I have.
We are certainly gonna laugh,and yes, we might even cry a
little, but in the end, we aregonna know that we're not alone
during our life's journey.
So are you ready?
Great.
Let's do this.
Welcome to the conversation.
All right, everyone.
Welcome to today's episode.
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I am so excited today to welcomemy guest who I met earlier last
year at an industry trade showevent.
And I knew from the moment thatI spent some time with him that
he was gonna be a guest on thepodcast.
It's taken a little bit time toget him here, but I'm super
excited to welcome this morning,Isaac Sabu.
Hi Isaac.
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It's a pleasure to be here andto finally do this with you.
We had the opportunity earlierthis week to get on a teams call
with a couple of people that Iwas really interested in
introducing you two through yourwork and we had a really great
conversation.
And I have to say as we getstarted before I introduce you
and let our listeners know whoyou are and get into this
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conversation it's a strange timein our world, obviously with all
the things that are going on,and I found.
The last couple weeks I've beentraveling extensively and
although the travel's beenextraordinary and I've been to
some amazing places and had someincredible experiences, when I
come back home and come backinto reality, there is this
heaviness and this space ofchaos.
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And when I hopped on the phoneor on our teams call to
introduce you to Janina, and wehad this conversation, I left
the conversation so empoweredand so much lighter.
And it wasn't that wenecessarily talked about
anything incredibly specific butwe just got to know each other
and got to introduce two peoplethat I think are out to change
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the world and.
Enhance people's lives throughtheir own journey.
So I'm gonna take a second tointroduce you, and then I wanna
get right into this conversationabout what you're up to in the
world so that people can knowabout you.
So for our listeners, Isaac is avisionary, sound engineer,
inventor, and wellness innovatorwhose journey began as an
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immigrant from Iran.
And with over two decades ofexperience designing things like
imx theaters and advancedautomation systems, Isaac has
been at the forefront of audioinnovation.
He's the founder of Biot Tune.
Which is how I met him, thevehicle in which we met, which
is a trailblazing company infrequency based wellness
technology.
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We're gonna get into that.
And he's also the CreativeSpirit Journeys, which has
delivered more than 60 immersivemeditation and cultural
experiences over the past coupleyears.
And what I love about Isaac isthat he's deeply committed to
healing people through sound,which is something that we don't
necessarily hear, no punintended a lot about.
But he offers sound therapysessions to veterans and
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individuals struggling withmental health challenges.
And his mission is to reallytake these transformative
therapies and make themaccessible.
So welcome Isaac to the Just YouPodcast.
Wow.
What a introduction.
I'm humbled.
Thank you so much.
My pleasure.
My pleasure.
It's so nice to have you here.
As I said as I was gleefullydiscussing who you are and who
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you are for me.
We met, like I said, last yearat an industry event just I.
Bumped into each other.
I volunteered and came upon yourspace.
And for our listeners the spacewas a opportunity to introduce
the meetings and events industryto various modalities of
wellness.
And it's interesting these daysbecause wellness has become a
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little bit cliche perhaps, or alittle bit misunderstood.
And so when we look around theroom, there were some amazing
technologies there for all sortsof opportunities to enhance your
life, to get centered, to getpresent, to relax, to meditate.
And I was drawn to Isaac and hisbio tune product without my own
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intention, but intentionalityfrom someone to bring us
together.
So Isaac, would you just do us alittle bit of a favor?
And before we get into the meatof the conversation just explain
what that day was like for you,if you can.
That was a profound day.
I've had this vision to bringdepth into the wellness space.
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This cultivation of theintention of really providing
deep healing and wellness spacesthat recenter us was the
foundation before entering intothe wellness environment.
And to be able to see thefeedback and the responses from
people coming out of thesession, maybe with tears out of
their eyes, maybe saying thatthis is the deepest calm that
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they've ever experienced in a 20minute session was really a
foundational moment for me.
Because we had done a couple ofthose events, but that was
something that we did back toback for a whole day and
gathered all of those responsesthat was really a powerful,
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experience and a red a refiningmoment in, in our journey of
knowing that this is what ourmission is to be able to take
this into spaces that usuallypeople don't expect to have
those kind of connections, selfconnections and experiences, and
to refine and redefine what itis what wellness really is what
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we're trying to achieve in thosekind of spaces.
And if I may please I think thehospitality, the spa industry
and the wellness industry has issuch a beautiful space because
they create these safe andgorgeous spaces and you have
some of the best therapists inthe world leading these kind of
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experiences, massages, aesthetictreatments.
And what I've seen is thatthey're great, but it's like
just covering the surface.
And the past couple of yearswith integrating this into those
spaces, I've seen theopportunity to really go deeper.
Yeah.
And so that's what's excitingfor me.
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Yeah.
And I think what's sofascinating for me in that space
of my own people, if you will,in my industry is and I'll
probably get some flack forthis, so I'm just gonna say it
anyway, is that, and I'm sureit's the same in other
industries as well, but I.
We have created in anenvironment, and I don't know if
it's because of technology or ifit's because of expectations,
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but I notice in my world that myfellow planners never take time
for themselves.
We are on twenty four seven.
We never put the phone down.
I won't name names, but I'veseen some of these planners go
to yoga in the morning prior toa wellness session, and they're
checking out their phones whilethey're doing some sort of pose
or they're doing breath work andchecking out email, and I've
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been fascinated by that and alsoa little bit.
Saddened by it, because one ofthe things that I think is
happening, I don't think I knowis happening is that we are
trying to fit this wellnessconversation into a gap.
And what we need to do is weneed to educate and have the
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participant or the client, ifyou will, if this is going
outsourced, to understand whyit's important to take these
moments, why it's important,what's the benefit of a 20
minute session with Isaac priorto going into a general session
or in between sessions or as apart of component of this
program.
And it's not just for corporate.
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It's for personal.
I have friends that areconstantly on their phone.
I'm guilty of it.
Doom scrolling, spending toomuch time.
Yeah.
On those things that are nothelping them with their journey.
So we're gonna go back a littlebit before we really talk about
Biot tune and how you found thisspace and how you started out on
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your journey.
But I'd like to go back a littlebit farther.
I know the current Isaac, butI'd love to know a little bit
about Young Isaac.
Where were you born?
What was that experience like,and where did your journey
start?
That's actually making me alittle bit emotional to tap back
into that space, especiallybecause of the landscape of
what's Yes.
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Happening in the world.
Right now.
I'm from Iran.
I'm an immigrant.
I came here when I was 12 yearsold.
I grew up right at therevolution, the Iran Revolution,
and then the Islamic Republictook over and really the first
10 years of my life was consumedin war.
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And I did not really understandthe impact of being in that
environment, of what it did tome and how it defined my nervous
system, my the chaos that I hadadapted to be my normal way of
operation.
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Then I came to the United Stateswhen I was 12.
I went to Italy first as a as arefugee, and then got my visa
and came here with my family gotmarried.
And really it was after mydivorce that in my late thirties
that I started to unravel all ofthe things that had gone on.
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And the, half the reason thatI'm here today, or maybe a lot
of what has to do with why I'mdoing what I'm doing is I got so
much reprieve from sound therapyand.
I, I have had such a connectionto healing or soothing.
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I didn't understand.
The sound was a healingmechanism.
I would just repeat some wordsto myself as a kid and I would
hum certain things and I wouldplay certain songs that would
make me emotional or change mymood.
So I inherently understood thosethings.
But I never understood that thisis a mechanism for actually
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addressing our our mental healthor addressing our our traumas,
our pains and so forth.
And it was really after collegethat I connected the dots with
music therapy.
And I understood that, oh,there's a whole mindset and a
school out there that studiesthe impact of music and
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frequencies.
And at that time it was verybasic.
It was just like, oh, classicalmusic improves your cognition.
So it was really rudimentary.
But that's what intrigued meback in 1996 and 19 98, around
that time when I started hearingabout the impact of music.
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So that's a yeah, I can'timagine the.
Experience of that first decadeof your life, and then
immigrating as a refugee toanother country, which was
obviously very different thanwhere you came from, but
different in a unique way.
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And then to come to the UnitedStates, very harrowing journey.
And I think we hear a lot aboutthose experiences.
So I will say that I can'timagine what that was like and
what you've had to unpack andwhat you've had to process for
yourself through this journey.
When you went to university,what were you studying?
Was it anything related to thisor was it completely something?
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I knew it was something else.
No I'm a Persian Jew.
We either have to become alawyer, doctor, or an engineer.
That's true.
Pick one.
Pick one.
Yeah.
Pick one and go.
Yeah.
That's funny.
That's funny.
But you did go the engineeringroute because because you got
into this whole I, imex or imexand.
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And sound technology and thatkind of stuff.
So how did that come about?
It came about from my passion ofmusic.
I really wanted to be amusician.
I wanted to dive into being asound engineer for movies and
but my parents were like, you'rewasting your time.
You need to go into the businessaspect of things.
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Because obviously it becameapparent that I'm not a, I'm not
built to be a doctor becausefrom a side of a needle I pass
out.
So that was not gonna work.
No.
Not a good idea.
Nope.
And I was sensitive enough thatI knew that I could not.
I could not be a lawyer andstand up for things that I did
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not right believe in.
The pursuit of sound becamereally the the driving force.
And I was in choir and band, andmy parents did not really
support that.
So I went into production of howto be able to create the chain
of producing and then the theenvironment to be able to make
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sure that your reproduction isplayed back in the most
authentic fashion.
And then learning all acoustics.
And I've done everything fromhands-on to building the
systems, hands-on, engineering,wiring to system design.
So I've covered the whole gamut.
And that background, which Ireally, for a long time.
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I'm like, why did you, why did Ihave to grind through all of
this?
But that grinding through all ofthose different steps gave me
the foundation and the skillsthat I needed to be able to
apply to where I am today.
Sure.
So it was foundational.
Yeah.
So let me ask you a questionbecause as I sit and listen to
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you, a lot of that is verytechnical, right?
So I wanna talk for a secondabout,'cause you've mentioned it
a couple times.
Tell me about some of thefeelings.
What are some of the feelingsthat you have when you hear
music?
I get goosebumps.
I transcend time and space.
I get out of my head and getinto my heart.
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And a lot of times.
Music can be used for manydifferent things.
To uplift mood, to bring us andconnect us with our emotional
space.
For me personally it's aspiritual experience.
It's really a spiritualexperience.
I feel that the frequencies ofmusic has a capacity to transmit
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emotions and intentions, andwhen someone is a master at
their craft and they're sittingdown with the right kind of
space, it's the unspoken word,it's millennia or thousands of
years of.
Tears that have, don't havewords to be expressed, that you
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feel in that instant.
And that is the power of musicthat it can be able to portray
such a wealth of emotion anddepth that cannot be put into
words.
I think people, yeah I loveasking that question because for
me, I am a big music buff aswell.
I don't like concerts.
I don't like big stadiums fullof people.
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It's too much energy for me.
Uhhuh.
Some call me super bougie'causeI like it in a box sitting up in
my own space to experience it.
I love that.
I like being on the floor.
'Cause it's just too muchenergy.
Yeah.
But music for me has always beenthat space to to lift me up.
I think I'm a closeted backupsinger for some.
Yeah.
But.
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I remember some training that Ihad when I was doing sales that
before you made a call, beforeyou had to make your cold calls
to do something that inspiredyou.
And I can remember JustinTimberlake's song and I would
dance around before I had to sitdown and make 20 calls.
I would dance around my housewith that cranked up'cause it
got me going, right?
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Yeah.
It's that, it's and yet at thesame time I'm very, and as we're
talking about this, like I'mjust recalling these experiences
where music can bring you tolaughter, it can bring you to
tears, it can bring you tointrospection.
And I don't think people payattention to what is that
connection.
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When we're in a movie, we'retrying to focus on the content
or the storyline and we're notfocusing on the fact, why am I
tearing up when.
Said character is singing a songor there's background music.
I get moved by background musicat times in some of those films.
This is so corny, but one of myfavorite movies is the Holiday.
Just'cause I'm in love with JudeLaw, but I love that movie.
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But there's a scene wherethere's no spoken words, it's
just the music.
And I cry every single time.
And I bring this up because, notto make myself mushy and sappy,
but to maybe have the listenersstart to recall some of the
experiences with music that makethem the most happy, make them
the most not the most, but calmand what are some of those
experiences.
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And to tap into that becausethese days I notice if I don't
have background in my world, Iwork from home.
If I don't have background on Iget very distracted.
So I turn on spa music from thespa channel on Spotify and it
just puts me in that space towork and.
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In the morning when I shower, Iturn on my Dua Lipa.
So I dance around the house.
So I want people, as we'relooking for ways to cope and to
get through this kind of chaosand craziness that we're going
through, is to find that whichworks for them.
I have a friend who listens tonothing but musicals, but I
wanted, there's a whole storyabout that, but we'll save that
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for later.
I want to talk for a minuteabout those frequencies that you
mentioned and how that relates.
I guess we should just jumpright and talk about Biogen,
'cause that's the wholeexperience, right?
Is that opportunity.
But talk a little bit about whatyour conversation is around how
music makes that effect onsomeone.
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And you can be as scientific asyou want.
Yeah.
So it's, I will say that thejourney I.
Started for me from a state ofbeing curious.
So when I first experienced thatconnection between the realm of
technology, music, and that itcan be used for healing was in a
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space that was foreign to me.
So I was at Burning Man and Iwas invited after 20 years of in
introducing, building theseelaborate systems that was for
entertainment and was forenhancing the audio experience.
We used transducers in a floorand then I witnessed, we built
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this vibrational dome that wasright on the playa and people
were coming in and we werehosting these musical journeys.
And during.
Certain times that there was nomusical journeys.
People were playing instrumentsand singing, and the floor was
vibrating to the effect oftheir, the music that was being
playing.
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And I witnessed reactions thatwas surreal.
Like people were really immersedin the whole experience and
having healing sessions, havingprofound journeys of relaxation.
And that's what, when it clickedthat I can be able to converge
these worlds, that music can beused for healing.
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And then from there, I came backand I built.
A massage table.
And I traveled for a couple ofyears just giving sessions.
I'm like, does this actuallywork?
What?
What does it do for people?
And in that space, I startedrealizing, and I had no idea
about frequencies, which we'lldive into in a minute.
Intentionally using sound to beable to cater different
emotional states and differentconscious states or subconscious
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states.
I started realizing that somepeople were passing out and to
the point that I couldn't even Iwould try to wake them up.
I would lift their arms,nothing.
They were out.
Some grown ma men breaking downin tears, like their whole shell
was broken and they were tappinginto a deeper part of themselves
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that they had kept so tight.
And I'm like, how is thishappening?
How's it that some people arefalling asleep?
How is it that some people arebreaking down and what is the
mechanism that's driving this?
So that.
That state of curiosity is whathelped me to dive into the
dynamics of sound, which I hadnever been exposed to before.
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And started talking toneuroscientists, started talking
to doctors so I can understandthe nervous system, and I could
understand the brainwave of thebrain and the brainwave states
and how that forms ourconsciousness and our outlook in
life and the different states ofconsciousness.
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And so with that, we startedexperimenting and then
developing specific programmingfor the different states.
And, our normal operation, ournormal brainwave activity, is
really designed for us to justbe in the state of vigilance,
hyper vigilance.
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I.
To make sure that we're aware ofour surroundings.
That we are safe, that we'remaking sense out of our world.
But it's really when we diveinto right below that's beta and
we dive into alpha.
So the second that we close oureyes and we dive into this, what
we call the threshold into thesubconscious states, alpha and
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theta, that's the dream-Likestates is where the magic
happens.
And that's where all the pastmemories come up.
That's where all the the healinghappens.
That's where we tap into these,floating states of being out of
body.
And then delta and gamma issleep and also super
consciousness.
Those moments of elatedness thatwe feel in life that we we have
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just this jubilance and joy.
To get back into like, how didthis all start?
Yeah we went on this tangent ofwe have this tech, but without
intention, intentionality, andan understanding of how we can
craft these experiences and usethe right frequencies and use
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the right the right soundscapes.
This is nothing but another cooltech.
It became very obvious for methat I want to be able to dive
deeper and the intention of BiotTune is for healing and
addressing mental health andalso our wellbeing on a
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day-to-day basis.
Of just regulating ourselves andreconnecting with ourselves.
Because you said something thatwas really key in our days of
being so busy, inundated withthese devices, with just running
and doing, and we don't have achance to really tap in.
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Yep.
We don't have a chance to slowdown.
And really, those are the twomost important mechanisms to
disconnect from all of the noiseand to slow things down.
And that's what music does.
And a lot of us have difficultywith just the simple mechanism
of meditation.
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And what's really miraculousabout music and frequencies and
what we call entrainment and isthat these frequencies can allow
us to induce a state ofmeditation.
And induce meditation isdifferent than meditation
because when you play thesefrequencies, these dominant
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frequencies, the mind followsthat frequency.
And after, before you know it,after about 15 to 20 minutes,
you've emerged into a deeperlandscape.
So this is the magic of howsound affects us.
And then you layer on top of itall of this emotional landscape
and what music does and touchesour soul and touches our heart.
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And now you are our spirit.
Now you are really dancing.
With the spirit.
Yeah.
Earlier this week, as Imentioned, I introduced you to
Yanina from Costa Rica.
Yes.
And as you're talking, I wastaken right back to my
experience with her in CostaRica at the resort and a session
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that she did.
And yes, when you talk about,and you mentioned, we don't ever
take a moment to stop and tobreathe and to center.
I think there's also animportant element as we talk
about healing and we talk aboutwellness is that we also don't,
I.
Many times take an opportunityto really deal in the moment
with the trauma that we'veexperienced, whether it's in
that moment or before.
And leading up to that trip toCosta Rica, I had been three
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years silent about a verypainful and unexpected
experience of my divorce andlosing the love of my life and
my home and everything else thatI had built, and then walked
into COVID and the break, theshutdown and the quietness and
the solitude, and then dealingwith that and all of that.
And I didn't deal with it.
And I didn't take the time.
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And so when I was in Costa Ricaand we laid down to do this
meditation session, and she sangthat mantra, the minute she
opened her mouth, I could feelin that moment a deeper state of
not only relaxation, but adeeper connection to all of that
trauma and all of that pain thatI had been suppressing and
hadn't let out.
And as I shared with you, and ofcourse share a lot about that
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experience with her and then theexperience that I had with you.
And Biot tune is I let all ofthat go.
And it was a probably one of themost freeing experiences.
And as we shared and laughedabout, I asked her to record
that mantra so that I could takeit home with me and that I could
use it within my practice ofmeditation and those moments of,
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and needing clarity.
And she made a recording and ithad all these instruments that
her husband was playing,talented musician.
And I hated it.
I couldn't get into it.
I just needed her voice.
Yes.
And her, and the tone of hervoice and that kind of
experience.
And so what I find fascinatingand what I think people don't
realize is that when they're inthe car and they are maybe, or
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at home and they're listening totheir favorite song, or they're
listening to a song that has agreat beat and they're feeling
that moment of elatedness andhappiness and solitude and
connection, that's their healingmoment and.
At least this is my opinion.
And if they don't take the timeto identify what that is in the
moment, they're missing thepoint.
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So yeah, it's fun.
It's a great song, it's greatmusic, but I want people to get
to a space that say, I'm gonnatake this five minutes and
listen to this song that I love,or into this meditation tape
that I love, and really get intoand tap into what I'm feeling
because we have that fiveminutes of elation and happiness
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and the song's over, and we fallright back into our pattern.
You hit on something reallyimportant, intentful listening.
We've lost that as a habit.
There was a time that we wouldtake out records or CDs, look at
the cover, read all the things,put the CD in.
It was a ritual.
It was a ritual.
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And we took time to be able tosit in our chair and then listen
to an album and go have anexperience.
Music was an, listening to musicwas an experience because you
really have to carve out thattime to be able to do it.
And now that it's becomebackground, it's lost that
magic.
And, a whole, one of the keycomponents of what Biot Tune is
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simply is to bring backintentful listening.
Where you're not only listening,but feeling the music in a way
that you've never felt before.
And the vibrations are.
Immersing your body, that'sdefinitely the a key factor of
it.
But that depth when we go to aconcert and we feel the, those
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low frequencies and the musichitting us, and that all has an
effect.
That's why we go to concertsbecause it creates that elated
feeling in us.
So a, a deep part of what I'mdoing with Biot Tune is figuring
out how to create those momentsthat we are so engaged in the
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experience of listening to musicand allowing the frequencies and
everything else to encapsulateus and touch us in a very deep
way.
And then also to let go ofeverything that's in the outside
world.
So if we can be able to engineerit.
Properly.
All the mechanisms.
So this way you don't hear theoutside world.
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The music and the, it all soundsamazing.
It's in, and then we can be ableto use the right science to dive
us into the relaxed states.
Then we can have a profoundtouching experience through the
Sure.
Yeah.
So let's get into Biot tune.
So one of the things that Ithink is what you just said is
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really important is to havepeople realize that
intentionality in music and intheir listening is key.
I don't think we think aboutthat.
I am gonna take on when I listento music in the morning as I'm
getting ready, is to use that asan intentional space.
But I also want people torealize that these moments of
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listening to their favorite songor at a concert yes, are not
meant to be a distraction fromwhat's happening, but meant to
pull you into a space ofyourself.
We are, I, we said this on thecall.
Earlier this week, we are allfloating 20 feet above our
bodies.
We are not in our bodies.
We are not even remotelytouching ourselves, right?
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Lack of a better term.
We're not in touch withourselves, is what I meant to
say.
And we're already in slip.
We'll just leave it in.
We won't edit that out.
But, we are so far outside ofour bodies.
And if we can use those momentsto create, because I listen to
music every time I'm in the car.
I have my playlist, I have mypodcast list, I have that
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opportunity of songs that makeme happy and artists that make
me feel yes, proud.
So take that time, beintentional, use it as an
opportunity to get connected tothose feelings of happiness, of
elation, of a memory that itbrings you.
So let's talk about Biot Tune.
I need you.
To explain, we don't have to gotoo deep into the weeds.
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Yeah.
But explain that kind oftechnology, give the listener a
little bit of that experience,and then we can talk about some
of the some of the reactionsthat people have and some of the
responses that people have givenyou and why it's important and
let's just start there.
Sure.
So biotin is a frequencydelivery technology that allows
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you to be impacted and inducemeditative states through sound,
light, and vibration.
And effectively, you're eithersitting in a chair, laying down
on a mat or a massage table thathas.
Transducers equipped inside ofit.
And I'll explain whattransducers are.
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And you have headphones and thevibrations in the chair or the
mat relaxes, calms the nervoussystem.
And then the frequencies intrain, which is allowing us to
be able to follow into a deeperstate of consciousness.
And then the vibrations have athird and very important
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mechanism of activating on acellular level and releasing any
of the trapped emotions, any ofthe things that we're holding
onto.
So those are the threemechanisms that are involved in
a session.
So don't brush past that.
'cause I think that's important.
Yes.
And I want people to hear that.
So the vibrations then, right?
Say that again.
Of what it does to release,yeah.
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It's different than listen,where normally we are we hear
the music and and in this, weare actually feeling the music
or feeling the frequencies.
And those frequencies areimmersing our whole body.
And that's really the key.
And it impacts us two to threeinches into our deepen
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ourselves.
And when those vibrations hitthe intensity and the frequency
and the wave that it hits allowsus to be able to get tra
transported into a deeper stateof our subconscious mind.
That's that's the right that'sone of the mechanisms.
The second mechanism is reallythe nervous system response.
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And that's really the key, Ithink, behind the impact of
this.
Experience.
Is that the soothing nature ofus being able to get out of the
fight or flight of always beingmobilized for action to
preparing our body to get into arestful state?
And then when we feel calm,safe, and rested, restful, then
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we can be able to release any ofthe trapped emotions.
Because we are open, we'reright.
We've unlocked all of ourmechanisms of Yeah.
All of our mechanisms of, oh, Ihave to do this and I have to
prepare, so then we're ready fortapping into the heart and the
subconscious and also the body.
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Like all of this stuff thatwe've been talking about so far
is up here, but everythingtrauma and all of the pain gets
stored in the body itself, thebody keeps the score, if
anyone's read that book.
It really showcases how all ofthese memories, all of these
experiences, and it's not abouttrauma.
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It's simply when we havesomething that we don't have the
time or the space to process thebody holds it in.
Until we have an opportune timeto be able to process it.
And that's what happened foryou.
You have three years ofunprocessed emotions and that.
Unpacked in an instant.
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Yeah.
So if when we can create thatspace, then the magic happens,
then all of the emotions getreleased.
Yeah.
And the body does what it doesnaturally because it has that
innate ability to process thoseemotions and finally release it
so we feel so much lighter.
Yeah.
You, so for our listeners, whenhe said it's all up here, he was
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pointing to his head, I wannamake sure that our listeners get
that visual to where all thisstuff lives is not in your
heart, it's in your head as wetypically get in our head about
everything.
I wanna say one thing aboutthat.
So I have this phrase that'sprobably not kosher to say, but
I call it shaking the shit offthe tree.
So I love that.
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Yeah.
So what I love about thatdescription for you, from you is
that was my experience.
So for the, our listeners, whenI.
Before I volunteered for Isaac'ssegment or experience, I took it
upon myself to experience it.
I wanted to know what it wasabout.
And I have done some of the mostincredible things around the
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world with my travels and myjourney of my own wellness.
Yeah.
And so I've done some prettycool things.
And I'm seeing this mat and I'mjust gonna be honest with you,
Isaac, I was like, oh gosh.
It's another, it's because myhead goes to how kitschy can we
get in this industry with stuff,with wellness stuff is it, and
what is this?
And the mat?
And I'm like looking, and peopleare all cuddled up and their
blankets and they've got theirheadsets on and, and I'm looking
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at faces I love to watch andexperience and there's people
who are, like you said,catatonic.
And there are people who aresmiling and some people are
crying.
But I get on this mat and laydown and cover myself up with
the blanket.
And within the first.
Couple of moments.
You start the process with yourvoice and you're walking us
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through getting into that stateof relaxation, because let's
face it, we're human and ourbrains are operating at 5,000
miles an hour.
So you, and you've got thisamazingly soothing, sultry voice
that just instantly puts youinto a deepened state.
But so that process is yousetting us up for the experience
and then you let us go throughthis journey.
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And it was really remarkable.
I had recently, prior toexperiencing, you had a similar
experience sitting in a chair atanother wellness event that was
not as impactful because itdidn't have the music and it
didn't have that same component.
It was great.
Same thing, resetting thosenerves, getting your body to
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feel, but with you, it wasinteresting.
So I finished the session, feltamazing, felt very much at
peace.
Did release many things throughthat process and walking through
that journey.
But then I had the experience ofbeing your wingman, if you will,
and bringing people into thespace, getting them set up,
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tucking them in with theirblankets.
And what I loved was watchinghow they all came out of the
experience, because as I've saidbefore, I think we walk in,
it's, it is amazing.
We're not all bumping into eachother and into walls and into
things'cause we're just, I don'tknow where we are.
I'm trying to practice to bevery present and to be very much
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in my body and taking the timeto even literally pinch myself
so that I bring myself back intome.
But I remember watching manypeople come out of the
experience, and you've talked alot about how beneficial this
practice can be because of thetechnology, because of what.
Research that you've done tobring this to people.
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But I also wanna say that Ibelieve in this wellness journey
that we're all on in this spaceof finding peace and finding
happiness that we, theparticipant, have to be open and
ready for it as well.
Yes, you can put someone on achair in a bucket of cold water,
put them anywhere, and ifthey're not ready and open to
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have that experience, then it'sjust another experience.
And one way that I think is keyto having people have these kind
of experiences is to askthemselves, is what I'm doing
currently to process myemotions, to feel centered, to
feel balanced?
Is it working for me?
Or do I find that I'm doing muchmore of the same?
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And if that's the case, what amI open to?
To do a little research, tolisten to a podcast like this,
to get into a conversation thatallows that person to be open,
to experience something.
Because I know many people who Ishare things with, like Sound
Bowl healing.
They don't get it right.
There's just not.
I like, are you open to it?
Are you opening to experienceit?
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And the answer is no.
And so when people are open tosomething different, something
new, I encourage them to reallybe present in the moment when
someone like you was walkingthem through the process.
Because what I love about whatyou did in that moment.
And I know that you're doingthis with your veterans and
other people is that yourintention is clear and you're
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having them create the intentionas well.
And so I just, I just wanted tosay that because I think
technology can be phenomenal.
Yeah.
But if that person needs to beprepped and encouraged and
educated on what that experiencecan bring them I think that's a
phenomenal point.
And it goes back tointentionality.
And I think that, with a lot ofthe tech out there that gets
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lost you go to, I'll use thisexample because I've seen it a
lot in ketamine clinics.
You they feel that the therapyis the medicine that they're
providing you, and they don'tset the time up.
Maybe there's a plaque to beable to set intention, but it's
not really, I.
It's not part of the process.
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And so when I create thesespaces, first of all.
I, as the facilitator, have tomake sure that I'm in the right
space myself.
Yep.
And I have done my work to to begrounded because that matters a
lot.
Number two is to invite othersto set their own intentions for
the experience and to surrender,be in a space of.
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Not knowing and be comfortablein a space of curiosity.
And that is really, I feelthat's the key component for
being shown, because if we thinkthat we have all the answers and
we're in a state of not evenlooking for something that's
outside of ourselves, we'renever gonna find it.
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But when we become curious tomaybe, I don't know, everything,
maybe I, there's something thatI need clarity on, maybe there's
something that I need to let goof and what is that for me?
Then that can reveal itself iswhen we open that space up for
it.
So I always invite people intothat space first.
And I feel that safety is a keycomponent of this.
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Working with, those that havehad complex.
Traumas and PTSD and and in anykind of a ceremonial space,
that's really the, yeah.
The key mechanism is make Yeah,I've feel safe.
Yeah.
I've always said that I am, I.
Frustrated that we don't make alot of these modalities and a
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lot of these opportunities andexperiences part of our
education do, we teach math andEnglish and science and history
and all that, but we don't teachhow to, relate to other people
how to get connected, how to bein tune with our own bodies.
We don't really teach that atthe age where we should.
I sometimes feel frustrated thatI didn't find this space and
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this journey and this path untilI was, into my thirties.
Same, yeah.
What my life would've been like.
As in college, oh my gosh,college could have been such a
happy experience if I know manwas in touch with myself and all
that.
So I, I think it's so beautifulthe work that you're doing with
the veterans and themarginalized communities in
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creating these kind of lastingand me meaningful changes in
their lives because.
We're not given those tools.
We're not given thoseopportunities, and yet we're
asked to do things sometimesthat are monumental, whether
you're, a veteran and havinggone through being deployed or
in combat or seeing the thingsthat we will never know how they
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affected you.
My dad was somebody who couldhave beautifully benefited from
an experience like this as aVietnam vet and the things that
he saw that changed him andcaused, him to live a life that
was hard to watch and painful.
And also being a psychologist ora psychiatrist and Oh wow.
Yeah.
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Not ever being able to, he couldhelp.
So many people Yeah.
But could never help himself.
Yeah.
And I always wanted to get himon a bed like this or, sink him
into that immersion, experienceI had in Africa with the VO
healing and water and I justthought all these things could
have just been so beautiful forhim.
But the work that you're doingin those marginalized
communities and with theveterans is really
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transformational because, and Idon't mean to keep going back to
our current state, but there's apart of me that has a thought
that we are going through thischaos and this disruption and
this divisiveness to get backinto our own bodies, to get back
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to being present so that we canbe with other people.
Because if we can't be withourselves and we have all of
these issues around our ownbeing and who we are and who
we've become, then there is noway that we can be for other
people.
Yeah.
Man that's it brings me back.
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If I didn't have that experienceof the war that I had lived
through if I didn't have thepain and the traumas in my life,
and those all are not somethingthat I'm a victim to, but those
are op, those are things thatgave me the opportunity and the
sensitivity.
And it really took me a longtime to be able to realize that
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and gave me my mission of whyI'm doing what I'm doing.
So before I knew it, before Ihad become awakened to this
process, I was a, I was numb toit.
I, it was driving me.
But when I had the opportunityto work through all of those
things and realize that the thatall of those experiences led me
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to have.
An ultra sensitive heart to bean empath, to be empathetic
towards others, to be able torelate to their pain.
And that's what is, that's thedriving force behind the work
that I do, is because I canunderstand, I can feel what
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other people have gone through.
And then not, the fact that as akid I didn't have those tools.
The fact that I was numbingmyself for many majority of my
life, I would say till my latethirties.
The fact that I didn't have theability to live an authentic
life and I was searching for allof the out.
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External things to be able tohold onto that define me.
That made me feel safe insteadof really tapping into what my
true power was, which was thewhat these experiences had given
me.
The power of the heart, thepower of feeling others, but it
was so overwhelming for me.
Feeling was so overwhelming forme that I, and I didn't have the
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tools to be able to process itand handle it, that I just shut
everything off.
So when I realized and I wentthrough my own healing process
and I allowed myself to thenworked through that, then I
became someone that could holdspace.
For other people's experiencethat are going through a similar
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journey.
And it, I watched this movie itwas actually a documentary in
Armenia.
About an 11-year-old boy thatwas living through the Living in
Arts, which was a part of thecountry that became worn, torn,
and then they got displaced andtears just throughout the whole
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movie, throughout the wholedocumentary.
I was just streaming tears werestreaming out of down my, my, my
eyes.
And I like it brought me back tothe 11-year-old that I was, that
didn't have the tools, didn'thave the capacity to soothe, and
then carried the effects ofthat, of resorting to all kinds
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of unhealthy numbing mechanismsto just be able to make it
through life.
Whether it was smoking, whetherit was food, whether it was sex,
whatever it was.
I've dealt with all of theaddictions to be able to get to
this point of, I understand theroot cause of those addictions
is because I can't regulatemyself.
I reach for unhealthy things tobe able to soothe.
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So here's the real talk it, thatthis is the true mission behind
why I do what I do, because Iwant to provide other kids and
other people that have had, thatdid not have the opportunity or
don't have the opportunity to.
Self-regulate to change theirstate to understand.
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So when I'm working withveterans, it brings me so much
joy to be able to give them thecapability and show them that
they can be able to, they're inpower, that they can be able to
affect their own nervous system,that they have the tools to be
able to self-regulate, that theycan be able to put themselves to
sleep in a matter of 10 to 15minutes instead of relying on
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pharmaceuticals that they don'thave to take anxiety medication,
that in 15 minutes they can beable to be in the deepest calm
that they so we are not reliant.
We have all the tools that weneed within.
That's really my mission.
I want to be able to take this,I would love to see this in
schools.
I would love to see this incommunities.
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In the Middle East where I'mfrom.
To take this to the Middle Eastand help those.
I feel that's the way that wecan fight this war.
It's not fighting it throughgoing, at least for me to
marches or military coup orwhatever it is.
It's to be able to change theoutcome of their lives by giving
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them the ability to overcometheir trauma and pain and change
the next gen, change their livesand change the next generation
one person at a time.
So that's my battle, that's mymission is to help people to
reconnect with themselves.
Because majority of my life Ididn't have those tools and I
want to be able to gift thosetools to others.
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Number one, to feel the calmwithin their nervous system,
within their body, and know.
Feel inherently what that feelslike to shift the understanding
of chaos that they've adopted towhat it means and what it feels
like to have a deep state ofcalm.
And then how do I get backthere?
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What happens when I gettriggered?
What happens if someone cuts meoff?
What happens if my partner sayssomething to me to drive me into
a state of a trigger state?
Which is our life.
And it's becoming moretriggering every day with every,
all this bullshit that'shappening.
So if we don't have those tools,we become, we become controlled.
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We become just the reactionaryto everything else that's
happening in our life.
And we've given our power away.
We've given our power.
We've given our power away tonot only people who don't
deserve the power, but we'regiving it to people who are
abusing the power and turning itback on us.
And that's why I think it's soimportant with what you just
said, which was literally, I hadgoosebumps the whole time you
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were talking, is we have toreclaim our power, but then we
have to use that power withinourselves to, I believe that
when we center ourselves and wecreate that sense of calm, that
it resonates out to otherpeople.
And they don't even know it.
It doesn't, I have a friendwho's so frenetic, and every
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time I'm around them, I'm justfrenetic.
Yes.
And then I get in the car andI'm like, what happened?
And I call it the pigpen effect,meaning, and to put that into
reference.
Charlie Brown.
Yeah.
Cartoon.
There was Pigpen, the characterwho, everywhere he goes, there's
just dust filtering around him.
And I say, there are people thatcome into the space and kick up
the dust.
I have a client like that comeinto the space, kick up the
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dust, and everyone's lost andconfused.
And then the minute the dustsettles, that person's gone.
And we've just spent the lasthour trying to figure out what
the chaos was.
And isn't that a perfect exampleof Trump?
Yes.
Yes.
He knows how to kick up thatdust.
It is, but they're all doingthat.
Every one of them is doing that.
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They have an administrationthat's doing that.
They're all kicking up dust sothat we don't know where we're
looking.
And they're doing it.
The whole system is that.
That's what I'm saying.
The whole system is designed tokick us, to kick up so much dust
that we don't know which way iswhat.
And if we lose this sense ofconnectivity to ourselves and to
our humanity and to our empathyand to our love for our.
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Friends and family and strangersin our country and the universe
and environment we're fucked.
Excuse my expression, but that'swhat they're doing.
And so I say this, you and Icould talk forever, I say this,
but I say it with authenticityand complete sincerity is I
believe the world is a betterplace with people like you in
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it.
Because it may seeminsurmountable at times that
when you say one person at atime, we talked about this
before, sometimes you question,is the podcast helping?
Is it making an impact?
Are your sessions helping andmaking an impact?
You may never know what someonewho does a session with you,
Isaac, what they experience thenext day, the day after the day,
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the week after, the month after,and what they do to take that
out into their world.
Just as much as I don't knowthat a conversation's been had
about a podcast, so I love thefact that there are people out
in the world doing what you'redoing, even if it is one person
at a time, because that oneperson can spread to many.
I also feel very compelled thatwe have to drown out the noise.
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Yes.
With a conversation of intentionand a conversation of peace, and
when you be peace.
I, I remember hearing a quotesomewhere that said, it's much
more empowering to be pro pe,pro peace as opposed to
anti-war.
Pro-life.
Pro-life as opposed toanti-abortion.
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Pro.
Diversity as opposed to antiL-G-B-T-Q because the minute you
use anti, there's a negativeconnotation to it.
So when we stand around beingpro ourselves, pro us, pro our
uniqueness, I love that.
And just do you space.
And that's yes, that's all wehave.
'cause at the end of the day,nobody cares about you, but you
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really, you've gotta take careof you.
We're gonna put your informationup on our social media.
I wanna invite you to come backanother time to maybe dig a
little deeper into some of theexperiences that people have had
and some of the things that yousee, which is what's important.
Talk about some of the upcomingprojects that you have.
I have two final questions foryou as we wrap this up.
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'cause like I said, I could talkto you for hours, but I wanna do
this one.
And can we also leave youraudience with a tool that they
can use?
Yes.
Yes.
Oh, you're going to.
Don't worry.
Don't worry.
So first question with thecaveat.
What's next for Isaac and BiotTune and your journey?
So I want to pro, we areproviding this in wellness
spaces and spas and beautifulproperties across the world and
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within the United States.
So when you go get a treatmentit's enhanced with Biot tune so
you can have a deeper session.
And our goal, like someone camein for a migraine headache and
left crying and connecting towhat was underneath that
headache.
The headache was gone, themigraine was gone, but they
really tapped into what wasunderneath it.
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And that's really what we wouldlike to provide is to provide a
sense of deep, calm restoration,emotional release during these
therapeutic sessions, massagesand aesthetic treatments and
facials and the best spas in theworld.
That really is the foundation ofsupporting our on the groundwork
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of providing this to veterans atno cost.
So that supports us and the workthat we do so we can be able to
continue expanding our work andtaking to this this work to the
Middle East.
Today's my birthday and, oh,that's right.
Happy birthday.
Thank you so much.
It became really in ameditation.
It became really clear for methat I'm gonna launch a GoFundMe
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campaign.
I'm trying to raise$13,000 totake this work.
To Iran, to Israel, to the tothese regions that are suffering
from the trauma of what hashappened, what has just
transpired, and to provide themthe tools to address their
mental health and theirwellbeing.
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I want to go train others.
I don't necessarily want tofacilitate all the sessions
myself.
I want to empower others so theycan be able to lead this work in
their communities.
So that's the next immediatething of action that I'm gonna
take is launching that GoFundMecampaign.
And I would love support andanyone that feels called to be
able to support a mission likethat.
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And then the third thing is wewant to be able to.
Provide this mechanisms ofsafety and wellbeing into
people's own daily lives.
So we can be able to feel betterbe more connected.
And yeah, that's my, and that, Ihope that answers your
questions.
Goose, goosebumps again.
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So before I ask my lastquestion, what's the tool,
what's the tip that youmentioned?
Oh.
So let's just get comfortableand we're gonna, bre, I'm gonna
give you a a breathing mechanismthat can help you to relax and
fall asleep.
It's it's a 4 7, 8 breath.
All high performance athletesuse this they use it in, in the
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military as well.
It's used across in multipledifferent gamuts and imagine a
triangle.
So we're gonna breathe up fourseconds.
We're gonna hold our breath forseven seconds, and then the key
is the long exhale.
Eight seconds out.
So this is how we're gonna goout and we're gonna I'm just
gonna practice it with you for30 seconds here because we're
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short on time.
But I want you to be able totake this into your everyday
life.
No one sees you doing it.
You can do it in meetings, youcan do it when you're laying in
bed and trying to fall asleep.
So let's close our eyes for asecond and just tune, slow
everything down.
Take a deep breath.
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So let's breathe in.
4, 3, 2, 1.
Hold, and then exhale and letyour breath.
Last for as long as possible.
Focusing on the smoothness ofyour exhale.
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Taking another deep breath in.
2, 3, 4, hold.
And another deep exhale.
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So this is a tool that I wouldlove for you to be able to take
with you into your everydaylife.
I've seen veterans that havedifficulty falling asleep five
to 10 minutes of this exerciseand they're out.
We use this, I usually dosomething that's stimulating,
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that creates that energy oftension or anxiety so they can
feel like their normal sense ofwhat we experience in the world.
And then we do this for fiveminutes and they're all out.
Out.
So I hope that I've given you atool that will shape or shift
our our everyday life.
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Thank you for that.
And I'm gonna encourage peopleto put it into their practice.
Don't give up.
This is not a tangible,necessarily immediate result.
It takes time, it takespractice.
It's a muscle and it's a muscle.
And it's what, 21 days, I thinkthey say in order to do
something, take it day by day.
But I schedule it, I calendar itin.
I have a little reminder.
I love it every morning to do mybreathing because I, that's a
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whole other.
Podcast episode is breathing.
But I'm a breath holder.
I hold my breath a lot.
Oh, okay.
And it's a fight or flightresponse.
And I've been using thisbreathwork practice, so I'm
gonna take what you did.
I'm gonna do it a couple timestoday, this weekend.
Oh, I appreciate that so much.
I have one final question foryou.
Yes.
And I'll remind everyone thatwe're gonna put Isaac's
information up on our socialmedia.
Also give access to Biot Tune.
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And even if you're not in LosAngeles, I encourage you to
check it out, reach out, askquestions, have conversations
because, oh, you know what?
We're gonna make our appavailable to all of your
audience.
It gives access to five to 20minute sessions.
And they're designed to be ableto in different states
relaxation to increase focus andproductivity, to improve sleep.
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So it's bite-size.
Choose what you want to do, youand then choose the timeframe
and go.
I love that bite.
We'll make that available.
Great.
We'll put it on our website.
So my last question for you isthis.
Yeah.
And before I ask the question,thank you for your time today.
Thank you.
And thank you for your journeyand thank you for what you bring
to my life and what you bring toeveryone's life in this journey
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of healing and self-acceptance.
It's a beautiful gift and I'mblessed to know you and have you
in my space.
If you could go back to thatyoung Isaac that we talked about
at the beginning of thispodcast, and you could tell him
about his life today, what wouldyou tell him?
It's all gonna work out and lookat it's not even telling him,
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it's just giving him a hug tolet him know that he's not alone
and that he's gonna be okay.
And that's what all little kidsneed is just that assurance and
that love.
Wow.
I am so grateful to you andthank you for your time today.
I'm grateful to you.
This friendship means a lot.
I'm so happy to have connectedon that day and for our
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friendship to flourish over theyears.
Thank you so much for this timeand opportunity.
I really appreciate you.
We'll talk again soon.
Have a beautiful day.
Bye for now.
Bye for now.
Alright, everyone, thank youagain for joining us on today's
episode.
I hope our conversationresonated with you like it did
me, and I cannot wait to sitdown with you all again next
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Hello everyone.
Welcome to the Just To YouPodcast.
My name is Eric Nicole, and I'myour host.
If you are a first timelistener, welcome to the
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I.
The Just Do You Podcast iscentered around a network of
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Each week, I have the privilegeof sitting down for unscripted
conversations with friends,family, colleagues, community
leaders, and influencers thatall share their own personal
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I hope that you enjoy our timetogether as much as I have.
We are certainly gonna laugh,and yes, we might even cry a
little, but in the end, we aregonna know that we're not alone
during our life's journey.
So are you ready?
Great.
Let's do this.
Welcome to the conversation.
All right, everyone.
Welcome to today's episode.
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I am so excited today to welcomemy guest who I met earlier last
year at an industry trade showevent.
And I knew from the moment thatI spent some time with him that
he was gonna be a guest on thepodcast.
It's taken a little bit time toget him here, but I'm super
excited to welcome this morning,Isaac Sabu.
Hi Isaac.
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It's a pleasure to be here andto finally do this with you.
We had the opportunity earlierthis week to get on a teams call
with a couple of people that Iwas really interested in
introducing you two through yourwork and we had a really great
conversation.
And I have to say as we getstarted before I introduce you
and let our listeners know whoyou are and get into this
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conversation it's a strange timein our world, obviously with all
the things that are going on,and I found.
The last couple weeks I've beentraveling extensively and
although the travel's beenextraordinary and I've been to
some amazing places and had someincredible experiences, when I
come back home and come backinto reality, there is this
heaviness and this space ofchaos.
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And when I hopped on the phoneor on our teams call to
introduce you to Janina, and wehad this conversation, I left
the conversation so empoweredand so much lighter.
And it wasn't that wenecessarily talked about
anything incredibly specific butwe just got to know each other
and got to introduce two peoplethat I think are out to change
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the world and.
Enhance people's lives throughtheir own journey.
So I'm gonna take a second tointroduce you, and then I wanna
get right into this conversationabout what you're up to in the
world so that people can knowabout you.
So for our listeners, Isaac is avisionary, sound engineer,
inventor, and wellness innovatorwhose journey began as an
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immigrant from Iran.
And with over two decades ofexperience designing things like
imx theaters and advancedautomation systems, Isaac has
been at the forefront of audioinnovation.
He's the founder of Biot Tune.
Which is how I met him, thevehicle in which we met, which
is a trailblazing company infrequency based wellness
technology.
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We're gonna get into that.
And he's also the CreativeSpirit Journeys, which has
delivered more than 60 immersivemeditation and cultural
experiences over the past coupleyears.
And what I love about Isaac isthat he's deeply committed to
healing people through sound,which is something that we don't
necessarily hear, no punintended a lot about.
But he offers sound therapysessions to veterans and
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individuals struggling withmental health challenges.
And his mission is to reallytake these transformative
therapies and make themaccessible.
So welcome Isaac to the Just YouPodcast.
Wow.
What a introduction.
I'm humbled.
Thank you so much.
My pleasure.
My pleasure.
It's so nice to have you here.
As I said as I was gleefullydiscussing who you are and who
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you are for me.
We met, like I said, last yearat an industry event just I.
Bumped into each other.
I volunteered and came upon yourspace.
And for our listeners the spacewas a opportunity to introduce
the meetings and events industryto various modalities of
wellness.
And it's interesting these daysbecause wellness has become a
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little bit cliche perhaps, or alittle bit misunderstood.
And so when we look around theroom, there were some amazing
technologies there for all sortsof opportunities to enhance your
life, to get centered, to getpresent, to relax, to meditate.
And I was drawn to Isaac and hisbio tune product without my own
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intention, but intentionalityfrom someone to bring us
together.
So Isaac, would you just do us alittle bit of a favor?
And before we get into the meatof the conversation just explain
what that day was like for you,if you can.
That was a profound day.
I've had this vision to bringdepth into the wellness space.
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This cultivation of theintention of really providing
deep healing and wellness spacesthat recenter us was the
foundation before entering intothe wellness environment.
And to be able to see thefeedback and the responses from
people coming out of thesession, maybe with tears out of
their eyes, maybe saying thatthis is the deepest calm that
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they've ever experienced in a 20minute session was really a
foundational moment for me.
Because we had done a couple ofthose events, but that was
something that we did back toback for a whole day and
gathered all of those responsesthat was really a powerful,
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experience and a red a refiningmoment in, in our journey of
knowing that this is what ourmission is to be able to take
this into spaces that usuallypeople don't expect to have
those kind of connections, selfconnections and experiences, and
to refine and redefine what itis what wellness really is what
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we're trying to achieve in thosekind of spaces.
And if I may please I think thehospitality, the spa industry
and the wellness industry has issuch a beautiful space because
they create these safe andgorgeous spaces and you have
some of the best therapists inthe world leading these kind of
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experiences, massages, aesthetictreatments.
And what I've seen is thatthey're great, but it's like
just covering the surface.
And the past couple of yearswith integrating this into those
spaces, I've seen theopportunity to really go deeper.
Yeah.
And so that's what's excitingfor me.
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Yeah.
And I think what's sofascinating for me in that space
of my own people, if you will,in my industry is and I'll
probably get some flack forthis, so I'm just gonna say it
anyway, is that, and I'm sureit's the same in other
industries as well, but I.
We have created in anenvironment, and I don't know if
it's because of technology or ifit's because of expectations,
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but I notice in my world that myfellow planners never take time
for themselves.
We are on twenty four seven.
We never put the phone down.
I won't name names, but I'veseen some of these planners go
to yoga in the morning prior toa wellness session, and they're
checking out their phones whilethey're doing some sort of pose
or they're doing breath work andchecking out email, and I've
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been fascinated by that and alsoa little bit.
Saddened by it, because one ofthe things that I think is
happening, I don't think I knowis happening is that we are
trying to fit this wellnessconversation into a gap.
And what we need to do is weneed to educate and have the
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participant or the client, ifyou will, if this is going
outsourced, to understand whyit's important to take these
moments, why it's important,what's the benefit of a 20
minute session with Isaac priorto going into a general session
or in between sessions or as apart of component of this
program.
And it's not just for corporate.
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It's for personal.
I have friends that areconstantly on their phone.
I'm guilty of it.
Doom scrolling, spending toomuch time.
Yeah.
On those things that are nothelping them with their journey.
So we're gonna go back a littlebit before we really talk about
Biot tune and how you found thisspace and how you started out on
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your journey.
But I'd like to go back a littlebit farther.
I know the current Isaac, butI'd love to know a little bit
about Young Isaac.
Where were you born?
What was that experience like,and where did your journey
start?
That's actually making me alittle bit emotional to tap back
into that space, especiallybecause of the landscape of
what's Yes.
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Happening in the world.
Right now.
I'm from Iran.
I'm an immigrant.
I came here when I was 12 yearsold.
I grew up right at therevolution, the Iran Revolution,
and then the Islamic Republictook over and really the first
10 years of my life was consumedin war.
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And I did not really understandthe impact of being in that
environment, of what it did tome and how it defined my nervous
system, my the chaos that I hadadapted to be my normal way of
operation.
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Then I came to the United Stateswhen I was 12.
I went to Italy first as a as arefugee, and then got my visa
and came here with my family gotmarried.
And really it was after mydivorce that in my late thirties
that I started to unravel all ofthe things that had gone on.
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And the, half the reason thatI'm here today, or maybe a lot
of what has to do with why I'mdoing what I'm doing is I got so
much reprieve from sound therapyand.
I, I have had such a connectionto healing or soothing.
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I didn't understand.
The sound was a healingmechanism.
I would just repeat some wordsto myself as a kid and I would
hum certain things and I wouldplay certain songs that would
make me emotional or change mymood.
So I inherently understood thosethings.
But I never understood that thisis a mechanism for actually
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addressing our our mental healthor addressing our our traumas,
our pains and so forth.
And it was really after collegethat I connected the dots with
music therapy.
And I understood that, oh,there's a whole mindset and a
school out there that studiesthe impact of music and
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frequencies.
And at that time it was verybasic.
It was just like, oh, classicalmusic improves your cognition.
So it was really rudimentary.
But that's what intrigued meback in 1996 and 19 98, around
that time when I started hearingabout the impact of music.
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So that's a yeah, I can'timagine the.
Experience of that first decadeof your life, and then
immigrating as a refugee toanother country, which was
obviously very different thanwhere you came from, but
different in a unique way.
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And then to come to the UnitedStates, very harrowing journey.
And I think we hear a lot aboutthose experiences.
So I will say that I can'timagine what that was like and
what you've had to unpack andwhat you've had to process for
yourself through this journey.
When you went to university,what were you studying?
Was it anything related to thisor was it completely something?
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I knew it was something else.
No I'm a Persian Jew.
We either have to become alawyer, doctor, or an engineer.
That's true.
Pick one.
Pick one.
Yeah.
Pick one and go.
Yeah.
That's funny.
That's funny.
But you did go the engineeringroute because because you got
into this whole I, imex or imexand.
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And sound technology and thatkind of stuff.
So how did that come about?
It came about from my passion ofmusic.
I really wanted to be amusician.
I wanted to dive into being asound engineer for movies and
but my parents were like, you'rewasting your time.
You need to go into the businessaspect of things.
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Because obviously it becameapparent that I'm not a, I'm not
built to be a doctor becausefrom a side of a needle I pass
out.
So that was not gonna work.
No.
Not a good idea.
Nope.
And I was sensitive enough thatI knew that I could not.
I could not be a lawyer andstand up for things that I did
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not right believe in.
The pursuit of sound becamereally the the driving force.
And I was in choir and band, andmy parents did not really
support that.
So I went into production of howto be able to create the chain
of producing and then the theenvironment to be able to make
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sure that your reproduction isplayed back in the most
authentic fashion.
And then learning all acoustics.
And I've done everything fromhands-on to building the
systems, hands-on, engineering,wiring to system design.
So I've covered the whole gamut.
And that background, which Ireally, for a long time.
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I'm like, why did you, why did Ihave to grind through all of
this?
But that grinding through all ofthose different steps gave me
the foundation and the skillsthat I needed to be able to
apply to where I am today.
Sure.
So it was foundational.
Yeah.
So let me ask you a questionbecause as I sit and listen to
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you, a lot of that is verytechnical, right?
So I wanna talk for a secondabout,'cause you've mentioned it
a couple times.
Tell me about some of thefeelings.
What are some of the feelingsthat you have when you hear
music?
I get goosebumps.
I transcend time and space.
I get out of my head and getinto my heart.
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And a lot of times.
Music can be used for manydifferent things.
To uplift mood, to bring us andconnect us with our emotional
space.
For me personally it's aspiritual experience.
It's really a spiritualexperience.
I feel that the frequencies ofmusic has a capacity to transmit
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emotions and intentions, andwhen someone is a master at
their craft and they're sittingdown with the right kind of
space, it's the unspoken word,it's millennia or thousands of
years of.
Tears that have, don't havewords to be expressed, that you
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feel in that instant.
And that is the power of musicthat it can be able to portray
such a wealth of emotion anddepth that cannot be put into
words.
I think people, yeah I loveasking that question because for
me, I am a big music buff aswell.
I don't like concerts.
I don't like big stadiums fullof people.
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It's too much energy for me.
Uhhuh.
Some call me super bougie'causeI like it in a box sitting up in
my own space to experience it.
I love that.
I like being on the floor.
'Cause it's just too muchenergy.
Yeah.
But music for me has always beenthat space to to lift me up.
I think I'm a closeted backupsinger for some.
Yeah.
But.
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I remember some training that Ihad when I was doing sales that
before you made a call, beforeyou had to make your cold calls
to do something that inspiredyou.
And I can remember JustinTimberlake's song and I would
dance around before I had to sitdown and make 20 calls.
I would dance around my housewith that cranked up'cause it
got me going, right?
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Yeah.
It's that, it's and yet at thesame time I'm very, and as we're
talking about this, like I'mjust recalling these experiences
where music can bring you tolaughter, it can bring you to
tears, it can bring you tointrospection.
And I don't think people payattention to what is that
connection.
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When we're in a movie, we'retrying to focus on the content
or the storyline and we're notfocusing on the fact, why am I
tearing up when.
Said character is singing a songor there's background music.
I get moved by background musicat times in some of those films.
This is so corny, but one of myfavorite movies is the Holiday.
Just'cause I'm in love with JudeLaw, but I love that movie.
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But there's a scene wherethere's no spoken words, it's
just the music.
And I cry every single time.
And I bring this up because, notto make myself mushy and sappy,
but to maybe have the listenersstart to recall some of the
experiences with music that makethem the most happy, make them
the most not the most, but calmand what are some of those
experiences.
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And to tap into that becausethese days I notice if I don't
have background in my world, Iwork from home.
If I don't have background on Iget very distracted.
So I turn on spa music from thespa channel on Spotify and it
just puts me in that space towork and.
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In the morning when I shower, Iturn on my Dua Lipa.
So I dance around the house.
So I want people, as we'relooking for ways to cope and to
get through this kind of chaosand craziness that we're going
through, is to find that whichworks for them.
I have a friend who listens tonothing but musicals, but I
wanted, there's a whole storyabout that, but we'll save that
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for later.
I want to talk for a minuteabout those frequencies that you
mentioned and how that relates.
I guess we should just jumpright and talk about Biogen,
'cause that's the wholeexperience, right?
Is that opportunity.
But talk a little bit about whatyour conversation is around how
music makes that effect onsomeone.
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And you can be as scientific asyou want.
Yeah.
So it's, I will say that thejourney I.
Started for me from a state ofbeing curious.
So when I first experienced thatconnection between the realm of
technology, music, and that itcan be used for healing was in a
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space that was foreign to me.
So I was at Burning Man and Iwas invited after 20 years of in
introducing, building theseelaborate systems that was for
entertainment and was forenhancing the audio experience.
We used transducers in a floorand then I witnessed, we built
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this vibrational dome that wasright on the playa and people
were coming in and we werehosting these musical journeys.
And during.
Certain times that there was nomusical journeys.
People were playing instrumentsand singing, and the floor was
vibrating to the effect oftheir, the music that was being
playing.
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And I witnessed reactions thatwas surreal.
Like people were really immersedin the whole experience and
having healing sessions, havingprofound journeys of relaxation.
And that's what, when it clickedthat I can be able to converge
these worlds, that music can beused for healing.
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And then from there, I came backand I built.
A massage table.
And I traveled for a couple ofyears just giving sessions.
I'm like, does this actuallywork?
What?
What does it do for people?
And in that space, I startedrealizing, and I had no idea
about frequencies, which we'lldive into in a minute.
Intentionally using sound to beable to cater different
emotional states and differentconscious states or subconscious
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states.
I started realizing that somepeople were passing out and to
the point that I couldn't even Iwould try to wake them up.
I would lift their arms,nothing.
They were out.
Some grown ma men breaking downin tears, like their whole shell
was broken and they were tappinginto a deeper part of themselves
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that they had kept so tight.
And I'm like, how is thishappening?
How's it that some people arefalling asleep?
How is it that some people arebreaking down and what is the
mechanism that's driving this?
So that.
That state of curiosity is whathelped me to dive into the
dynamics of sound, which I hadnever been exposed to before.
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And started talking toneuroscientists, started talking
to doctors so I can understandthe nervous system, and I could
understand the brainwave of thebrain and the brainwave states
and how that forms ourconsciousness and our outlook in
life and the different states ofconsciousness.
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And so with that, we startedexperimenting and then
developing specific programmingfor the different states.
And, our normal operation, ournormal brainwave activity, is
really designed for us to justbe in the state of vigilance,
hyper vigilance.
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I.
To make sure that we're aware ofour surroundings.
That we are safe, that we'remaking sense out of our world.
But it's really when we diveinto right below that's beta and
we dive into alpha.
So the second that we close oureyes and we dive into this, what
we call the threshold into thesubconscious states, alpha and
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theta, that's the dream-Likestates is where the magic
happens.
And that's where all the pastmemories come up.
That's where all the the healinghappens.
That's where we tap into these,floating states of being out of
body.
And then delta and gamma issleep and also super
consciousness.
Those moments of elatedness thatwe feel in life that we we have
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just this jubilance and joy.
To get back into like, how didthis all start?
Yeah we went on this tangent ofwe have this tech, but without
intention, intentionality, andan understanding of how we can
craft these experiences and usethe right frequencies and use
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the right the right soundscapes.
This is nothing but another cooltech.
It became very obvious for methat I want to be able to dive
deeper and the intention of BiotTune is for healing and
addressing mental health andalso our wellbeing on a
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day-to-day basis.
Of just regulating ourselves andreconnecting with ourselves.
Because you said something thatwas really key in our days of
being so busy, inundated withthese devices, with just running
and doing, and we don't have achance to really tap in.
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Yep.
We don't have a chance to slowdown.
And really, those are the twomost important mechanisms to
disconnect from all of the noiseand to slow things down.
And that's what music does.
And a lot of us have difficultywith just the simple mechanism
of meditation.
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And what's really miraculousabout music and frequencies and
what we call entrainment and isthat these frequencies can allow
us to induce a state ofmeditation.
And induce meditation isdifferent than meditation
because when you play thesefrequencies, these dominant
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frequencies, the mind followsthat frequency.
And after, before you know it,after about 15 to 20 minutes,
you've emerged into a deeperlandscape.
So this is the magic of howsound affects us.
And then you layer on top of itall of this emotional landscape
and what music does and touchesour soul and touches our heart.
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And now you are our spirit.
Now you are really dancing.
With the spirit.
Yeah.
Earlier this week, as Imentioned, I introduced you to
Yanina from Costa Rica.
Yes.
And as you're talking, I wastaken right back to my
experience with her in CostaRica at the resort and a session
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that she did.
And yes, when you talk about,and you mentioned, we don't ever
take a moment to stop and tobreathe and to center.
I think there's also animportant element as we talk
about healing and we talk aboutwellness is that we also don't,
I.
Many times take an opportunityto really deal in the moment
with the trauma that we'veexperienced, whether it's in
that moment or before.
And leading up to that trip toCosta Rica, I had been three
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years silent about a verypainful and unexpected
experience of my divorce andlosing the love of my life and
my home and everything else thatI had built, and then walked
into COVID and the break, theshutdown and the quietness and
the solitude, and then dealingwith that and all of that.
And I didn't deal with it.
And I didn't take the time.
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And so when I was in Costa Ricaand we laid down to do this
meditation session, and she sangthat mantra, the minute she
opened her mouth, I could feelin that moment a deeper state of
not only relaxation, but adeeper connection to all of that
trauma and all of that pain thatI had been suppressing and
hadn't let out.
And as I shared with you, and ofcourse share a lot about that
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experience with her and then theexperience that I had with you.
And Biot tune is I let all ofthat go.
And it was a probably one of themost freeing experiences.
And as we shared and laughedabout, I asked her to record
that mantra so that I could takeit home with me and that I could
use it within my practice ofmeditation and those moments of,
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and needing clarity.
And she made a recording and ithad all these instruments that
her husband was playing,talented musician.
And I hated it.
I couldn't get into it.
I just needed her voice.
Yes.
And her, and the tone of hervoice and that kind of
experience.
And so what I find fascinatingand what I think people don't
realize is that when they're inthe car and they are maybe, or
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at home and they're listening totheir favorite song, or they're
listening to a song that has agreat beat and they're feeling
that moment of elatedness andhappiness and solitude and
connection, that's their healingmoment and.
At least this is my opinion.
And if they don't take the timeto identify what that is in the
moment, they're missing thepoint.
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So yeah, it's fun.
It's a great song, it's greatmusic, but I want people to get
to a space that say, I'm gonnatake this five minutes and
listen to this song that I love,or into this meditation tape
that I love, and really get intoand tap into what I'm feeling
because we have that fiveminutes of elation and happiness
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and the song's over, and we fallright back into our pattern.
You hit on something reallyimportant, intentful listening.
We've lost that as a habit.
There was a time that we wouldtake out records or CDs, look at
the cover, read all the things,put the CD in.
It was a ritual.
It was a ritual.
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And we took time to be able tosit in our chair and then listen
to an album and go have anexperience.
Music was an, listening to musicwas an experience because you
really have to carve out thattime to be able to do it.
And now that it's becomebackground, it's lost that
magic.
And, a whole, one of the keycomponents of what Biot Tune is
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simply is to bring backintentful listening.
Where you're not only listening,but feeling the music in a way
that you've never felt before.
And the vibrations are.
Immersing your body, that'sdefinitely the a key factor of
it.
But that depth when we go to aconcert and we feel the, those
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low frequencies and the musichitting us, and that all has an
effect.
That's why we go to concertsbecause it creates that elated
feeling in us.
So a, a deep part of what I'mdoing with Biot Tune is figuring
out how to create those momentsthat we are so engaged in the
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experience of listening to musicand allowing the frequencies and
everything else to encapsulateus and touch us in a very deep
way.
And then also to let go ofeverything that's in the outside
world.
So if we can be able to engineerit.
Properly.
All the mechanisms.
So this way you don't hear theoutside world.
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The music and the, it all soundsamazing.
It's in, and then we can be ableto use the right science to dive
us into the relaxed states.
Then we can have a profoundtouching experience through the
Sure.
Yeah.
So let's get into Biot tune.
So one of the things that Ithink is what you just said is
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really important is to havepeople realize that
intentionality in music and intheir listening is key.
I don't think we think aboutthat.
I am gonna take on when I listento music in the morning as I'm
getting ready, is to use that asan intentional space.
But I also want people torealize that these moments of
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listening to their favorite songor at a concert yes, are not
meant to be a distraction fromwhat's happening, but meant to
pull you into a space ofyourself.
We are, I, we said this on thecall.
Earlier this week, we are allfloating 20 feet above our
bodies.
We are not in our bodies.
We are not even remotelytouching ourselves, right?
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Lack of a better term.
We're not in touch withourselves, is what I meant to
say.
And we're already in slip.
We'll just leave it in.
We won't edit that out.
But, we are so far outside ofour bodies.
And if we can use those momentsto create, because I listen to
music every time I'm in the car.
I have my playlist, I have mypodcast list, I have that
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opportunity of songs that makeme happy and artists that make
me feel yes, proud.
So take that time, beintentional, use it as an
opportunity to get connected tothose feelings of happiness, of
elation, of a memory that itbrings you.
So let's talk about Biot Tune.
I need you.
To explain, we don't have to gotoo deep into the weeds.
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Yeah.
But explain that kind oftechnology, give the listener a
little bit of that experience,and then we can talk about some
of the some of the reactionsthat people have and some of the
responses that people have givenyou and why it's important and
let's just start there.
Sure.
So biotin is a frequencydelivery technology that allows
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you to be impacted and inducemeditative states through sound,
light, and vibration.
And effectively, you're eithersitting in a chair, laying down
on a mat or a massage table thathas.
Transducers equipped inside ofit.
And I'll explain whattransducers are.
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And you have headphones and thevibrations in the chair or the
mat relaxes, calms the nervoussystem.
And then the frequencies intrain, which is allowing us to
be able to follow into a deeperstate of consciousness.
And then the vibrations have athird and very important
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mechanism of activating on acellular level and releasing any
of the trapped emotions, any ofthe things that we're holding
onto.
So those are the threemechanisms that are involved in
a session.
So don't brush past that.
'cause I think that's important.
Yes.
And I want people to hear that.
So the vibrations then, right?
Say that again.
Of what it does to release,yeah.
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It's different than listen,where normally we are we hear
the music and and in this, weare actually feeling the music
or feeling the frequencies.
And those frequencies areimmersing our whole body.
And that's really the key.
And it impacts us two to threeinches into our deepen
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ourselves.
And when those vibrations hitthe intensity and the frequency
and the wave that it hits allowsus to be able to get tra
transported into a deeper stateof our subconscious mind.
That's that's the right that'sone of the mechanisms.
The second mechanism is reallythe nervous system response.
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And that's really the key, Ithink, behind the impact of
this.
Experience.
Is that the soothing nature ofus being able to get out of the
fight or flight of always beingmobilized for action to
preparing our body to get into arestful state?
And then when we feel calm,safe, and rested, restful, then
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we can be able to release any ofthe trapped emotions.
Because we are open, we'reright.
We've unlocked all of ourmechanisms of Yeah.
All of our mechanisms of, oh, Ihave to do this and I have to
prepare, so then we're ready fortapping into the heart and the
subconscious and also the body.
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Like all of this stuff thatwe've been talking about so far
is up here, but everythingtrauma and all of the pain gets
stored in the body itself, thebody keeps the score, if
anyone's read that book.
It really showcases how all ofthese memories, all of these
experiences, and it's not abouttrauma.
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It's simply when we havesomething that we don't have the
time or the space to process thebody holds it in.
Until we have an opportune timeto be able to process it.
And that's what happened foryou.
You have three years ofunprocessed emotions and that.
Unpacked in an instant.
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Yeah.
So if when we can create thatspace, then the magic happens,
then all of the emotions getreleased.
Yeah.
And the body does what it doesnaturally because it has that
innate ability to process thoseemotions and finally release it
so we feel so much lighter.
Yeah.
You, so for our listeners, whenhe said it's all up here, he was
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pointing to his head, I wannamake sure that our listeners get
that visual to where all thisstuff lives is not in your
heart, it's in your head as wetypically get in our head about
everything.
I wanna say one thing aboutthat.
So I have this phrase that'sprobably not kosher to say, but
I call it shaking the shit offthe tree.
So I love that.
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Yeah.
So what I love about thatdescription for you, from you is
that was my experience.
So for the, our listeners, whenI.
Before I volunteered for Isaac'ssegment or experience, I took it
upon myself to experience it.
I wanted to know what it wasabout.
And I have done some of the mostincredible things around the
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world with my travels and myjourney of my own wellness.
Yeah.
And so I've done some prettycool things.
And I'm seeing this mat and I'mjust gonna be honest with you,
Isaac, I was like, oh gosh.
It's another, it's because myhead goes to how kitschy can we
get in this industry with stuff,with wellness stuff is it, and
what is this?
And the mat?
And I'm like looking, and peopleare all cuddled up and their
blankets and they've got theirheadsets on and, and I'm looking
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at faces I love to watch andexperience and there's people
who are, like you said,catatonic.
And there are people who aresmiling and some people are
crying.
But I get on this mat and laydown and cover myself up with
the blanket.
And within the first.
Couple of moments.
You start the process with yourvoice and you're walking us
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through getting into that stateof relaxation, because let's
face it, we're human and ourbrains are operating at 5,000
miles an hour.
So you, and you've got thisamazingly soothing, sultry voice
that just instantly puts youinto a deepened state.
But so that process is yousetting us up for the experience
and then you let us go throughthis journey.
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And it was really remarkable.
I had recently, prior toexperiencing, you had a similar
experience sitting in a chair atanother wellness event that was
not as impactful because itdidn't have the music and it
didn't have that same component.
It was great.
Same thing, resetting thosenerves, getting your body to
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feel, but with you, it wasinteresting.
So I finished the session, feltamazing, felt very much at
peace.
Did release many things throughthat process and walking through
that journey.
But then I had the experience ofbeing your wingman, if you will,
and bringing people into thespace, getting them set up,
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tucking them in with theirblankets.
And what I loved was watchinghow they all came out of the
experience, because as I've saidbefore, I think we walk in,
it's, it is amazing.
We're not all bumping into eachother and into walls and into
things'cause we're just, I don'tknow where we are.
I'm trying to practice to bevery present and to be very much
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in my body and taking the timeto even literally pinch myself
so that I bring myself back intome.
But I remember watching manypeople come out of the
experience, and you've talked alot about how beneficial this
practice can be because of thetechnology, because of what.
Research that you've done tobring this to people.
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But I also wanna say that Ibelieve in this wellness journey
that we're all on in this spaceof finding peace and finding
happiness that we, theparticipant, have to be open and
ready for it as well.
Yes, you can put someone on achair in a bucket of cold water,
put them anywhere, and ifthey're not ready and open to
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have that experience, then it'sjust another experience.
And one way that I think is keyto having people have these kind
of experiences is to askthemselves, is what I'm doing
currently to process myemotions, to feel centered, to
feel balanced?
Is it working for me?
Or do I find that I'm doing muchmore of the same?
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And if that's the case, what amI open to?
To do a little research, tolisten to a podcast like this,
to get into a conversation thatallows that person to be open,
to experience something.
Because I know many people who Ishare things with, like Sound
Bowl healing.
They don't get it right.
There's just not.
I like, are you open to it?
Are you opening to experienceit?
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And the answer is no.
And so when people are open tosomething different, something
new, I encourage them to reallybe present in the moment when
someone like you was walkingthem through the process.
Because what I love about whatyou did in that moment.
And I know that you're doingthis with your veterans and
other people is that yourintention is clear and you're
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having them create the intentionas well.
And so I just, I just wanted tosay that because I think
technology can be phenomenal.
Yeah.
But if that person needs to beprepped and encouraged and
educated on what that experiencecan bring them I think that's a
phenomenal point.
And it goes back tointentionality.
And I think that, with a lot ofthe tech out there that gets
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lost you go to, I'll use thisexample because I've seen it a
lot in ketamine clinics.
You they feel that the therapyis the medicine that they're
providing you, and they don'tset the time up.
Maybe there's a plaque to beable to set intention, but it's
not really, I.
It's not part of the process.
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And so when I create thesespaces, first of all.
I, as the facilitator, have tomake sure that I'm in the right
space myself.
Yep.
And I have done my work to to begrounded because that matters a
lot.
Number two is to invite othersto set their own intentions for
the experience and to surrender,be in a space of.
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Not knowing and be comfortablein a space of curiosity.
And that is really, I feelthat's the key component for
being shown, because if we thinkthat we have all the answers and
we're in a state of not evenlooking for something that's
outside of ourselves, we'renever gonna find it.
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But when we become curious tomaybe, I don't know, everything,
maybe I, there's something thatI need clarity on, maybe there's
something that I need to let goof and what is that for me?
Then that can reveal itself iswhen we open that space up for
it.
So I always invite people intothat space first.
And I feel that safety is a keycomponent of this.
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Working with, those that havehad complex.
Traumas and PTSD and and in anykind of a ceremonial space,
that's really the, yeah.
The key mechanism is make Yeah,I've feel safe.
Yeah.
I've always said that I am, I.
Frustrated that we don't make alot of these modalities and a
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lot of these opportunities andexperiences part of our
education do, we teach math andEnglish and science and history
and all that, but we don't teachhow to, relate to other people
how to get connected, how to bein tune with our own bodies.
We don't really teach that atthe age where we should.
I sometimes feel frustrated thatI didn't find this space and
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this journey and this path untilI was, into my thirties.
Same, yeah.
What my life would've been like.
As in college, oh my gosh,college could have been such a
happy experience if I know manwas in touch with myself and all
that.
So I, I think it's so beautifulthe work that you're doing with
the veterans and themarginalized communities in
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creating these kind of lastingand me meaningful changes in
their lives because.
We're not given those tools.
We're not given thoseopportunities, and yet we're
asked to do things sometimesthat are monumental, whether
you're, a veteran and havinggone through being deployed or
in combat or seeing the thingsthat we will never know how they
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affected you.
My dad was somebody who couldhave beautifully benefited from
an experience like this as aVietnam vet and the things that
he saw that changed him andcaused, him to live a life that
was hard to watch and painful.
And also being a psychologist ora psychiatrist and Oh wow.
Yeah.
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Not ever being able to, he couldhelp.
So many people Yeah.
But could never help himself.
Yeah.
And I always wanted to get himon a bed like this or, sink him
into that immersion, experienceI had in Africa with the VO
healing and water and I justthought all these things could
have just been so beautiful forhim.
But the work that you're doingin those marginalized
communities and with theveterans is really
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transformational because, and Idon't mean to keep going back to
our current state, but there's apart of me that has a thought
that we are going through thischaos and this disruption and
this divisiveness to get backinto our own bodies, to get back
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to being present so that we canbe with other people.
Because if we can't be withourselves and we have all of
these issues around our ownbeing and who we are and who
we've become, then there is noway that we can be for other
people.
Yeah.
Man that's it brings me back.
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If I didn't have that experienceof the war that I had lived
through if I didn't have thepain and the traumas in my life,
and those all are not somethingthat I'm a victim to, but those
are op, those are things thatgave me the opportunity and the
sensitivity.
And it really took me a longtime to be able to realize that
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and gave me my mission of whyI'm doing what I'm doing.
So before I knew it, before Ihad become awakened to this
process, I was a, I was numb toit.
I, it was driving me.
But when I had the opportunityto work through all of those
things and realize that the thatall of those experiences led me
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to have.
An ultra sensitive heart to bean empath, to be empathetic
towards others, to be able torelate to their pain.
And that's what is, that's thedriving force behind the work
that I do, is because I canunderstand, I can feel what
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other people have gone through.
And then not, the fact that as akid I didn't have those tools.
The fact that I was numbingmyself for many majority of my
life, I would say till my latethirties.
The fact that I didn't have theability to live an authentic
life and I was searching for allof the out.
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External things to be able tohold onto that define me.
That made me feel safe insteadof really tapping into what my
true power was, which was thewhat these experiences had given
me.
The power of the heart, thepower of feeling others, but it
was so overwhelming for me.
Feeling was so overwhelming forme that I, and I didn't have the
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tools to be able to process itand handle it, that I just shut
everything off.
So when I realized and I wentthrough my own healing process
and I allowed myself to thenworked through that, then I
became someone that could holdspace.
For other people's experiencethat are going through a similar
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journey.
And it, I watched this movie itwas actually a documentary in
Armenia.
About an 11-year-old boy thatwas living through the Living in
Arts, which was a part of thecountry that became worn, torn,
and then they got displaced andtears just throughout the whole
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movie, throughout the wholedocumentary.
I was just streaming tears werestreaming out of down my, my, my
eyes.
And I like it brought me back tothe 11-year-old that I was, that
didn't have the tools, didn'thave the capacity to soothe, and
then carried the effects ofthat, of resorting to all kinds
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of unhealthy numbing mechanismsto just be able to make it
through life.
Whether it was smoking, whetherit was food, whether it was sex,
whatever it was.
I've dealt with all of theaddictions to be able to get to
this point of, I understand theroot cause of those addictions
is because I can't regulatemyself.
I reach for unhealthy things tobe able to soothe.
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So here's the real talk it, thatthis is the true mission behind
why I do what I do, because Iwant to provide other kids and
other people that have had, thatdid not have the opportunity or
don't have the opportunity to.
Self-regulate to change theirstate to understand.
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So when I'm working withveterans, it brings me so much
joy to be able to give them thecapability and show them that
they can be able to, they're inpower, that they can be able to
affect their own nervous system,that they have the tools to be
able to self-regulate, that theycan be able to put themselves to
sleep in a matter of 10 to 15minutes instead of relying on
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pharmaceuticals that they don'thave to take anxiety medication,
that in 15 minutes they can beable to be in the deepest calm
that they so we are not reliant.
We have all the tools that weneed within.
That's really my mission.
I want to be able to take this,I would love to see this in
schools.
I would love to see this incommunities.
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In the Middle East where I'mfrom.
To take this to the Middle Eastand help those.
I feel that's the way that wecan fight this war.
It's not fighting it throughgoing, at least for me to
marches or military coup orwhatever it is.
It's to be able to change theoutcome of their lives by giving
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them the ability to overcometheir trauma and pain and change
the next gen, change their livesand change the next generation
one person at a time.
So that's my battle, that's mymission is to help people to
reconnect with themselves.
Because majority of my life Ididn't have those tools and I
want to be able to gift thosetools to others.
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Number one, to feel the calmwithin their nervous system,
within their body, and know.
Feel inherently what that feelslike to shift the understanding
of chaos that they've adopted towhat it means and what it feels
like to have a deep state ofcalm.
And then how do I get backthere?
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What happens when I gettriggered?
What happens if someone cuts meoff?
What happens if my partner sayssomething to me to drive me into
a state of a trigger state?
Which is our life.
And it's becoming moretriggering every day with every,
all this bullshit that'shappening.
So if we don't have those tools,we become, we become controlled.
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We become just the reactionaryto everything else that's
happening in our life.
And we've given our power away.
We've given our power.
We've given our power away tonot only people who don't
deserve the power, but we'regiving it to people who are
abusing the power and turning itback on us.
And that's why I think it's soimportant with what you just
said, which was literally, I hadgoosebumps the whole time you
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were talking, is we have toreclaim our power, but then we
have to use that power withinourselves to, I believe that
when we center ourselves and wecreate that sense of calm, that
it resonates out to otherpeople.
And they don't even know it.
It doesn't, I have a friendwho's so frenetic, and every
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time I'm around them, I'm justfrenetic.
Yes.
And then I get in the car andI'm like, what happened?
And I call it the pigpen effect,meaning, and to put that into
reference.
Charlie Brown.
Yeah.
Cartoon.
There was Pigpen, the characterwho, everywhere he goes, there's
just dust filtering around him.
And I say, there are people thatcome into the space and kick up
the dust.
I have a client like that comeinto the space, kick up the
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dust, and everyone's lost andconfused.
And then the minute the dustsettles, that person's gone.
And we've just spent the lasthour trying to figure out what
the chaos was.
And isn't that a perfect exampleof Trump?
Yes.
Yes.
He knows how to kick up thatdust.
It is, but they're all doingthat.
Every one of them is doing that.
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They have an administrationthat's doing that.
They're all kicking up dust sothat we don't know where we're
looking.
And they're doing it.
The whole system is that.
That's what I'm saying.
The whole system is designed tokick us, to kick up so much dust
that we don't know which way iswhat.
And if we lose this sense ofconnectivity to ourselves and to
our humanity and to our empathyand to our love for our.
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Friends and family and strangersin our country and the universe
and environment we're fucked.
Excuse my expression, but that'swhat they're doing.
And so I say this, you and Icould talk forever, I say this,
but I say it with authenticityand complete sincerity is I
believe the world is a betterplace with people like you in
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it.
Because it may seeminsurmountable at times that
when you say one person at atime, we talked about this
before, sometimes you question,is the podcast helping?
Is it making an impact?
Are your sessions helping andmaking an impact?
You may never know what someonewho does a session with you,
Isaac, what they experience thenext day, the day after the day,
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the week after, the month after,and what they do to take that
out into their world.
Just as much as I don't knowthat a conversation's been had
about a podcast, so I love thefact that there are people out
in the world doing what you'redoing, even if it is one person
at a time, because that oneperson can spread to many.
I also feel very compelled thatwe have to drown out the noise.
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Yes.
With a conversation of intentionand a conversation of peace, and
when you be peace.
I, I remember hearing a quotesomewhere that said, it's much
more empowering to be pro pe,pro peace as opposed to
anti-war.
Pro-life.
Pro-life as opposed toanti-abortion.
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Pro.
Diversity as opposed to antiL-G-B-T-Q because the minute you
use anti, there's a negativeconnotation to it.
So when we stand around beingpro ourselves, pro us, pro our
uniqueness, I love that.
And just do you space.
And that's yes, that's all wehave.
'cause at the end of the day,nobody cares about you, but you
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really, you've gotta take careof you.
We're gonna put your informationup on our social media.
I wanna invite you to come backanother time to maybe dig a
little deeper into some of theexperiences that people have had
and some of the things that yousee, which is what's important.
Talk about some of the upcomingprojects that you have.
I have two final questions foryou as we wrap this up.
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'cause like I said, I could talkto you for hours, but I wanna do
this one.
And can we also leave youraudience with a tool that they
can use?
Yes.
Yes.
Oh, you're going to.
Don't worry.
Don't worry.
So first question with thecaveat.
What's next for Isaac and BiotTune and your journey?
So I want to pro, we areproviding this in wellness
spaces and spas and beautifulproperties across the world and
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within the United States.
So when you go get a treatmentit's enhanced with Biot tune so
you can have a deeper session.
And our goal, like someone camein for a migraine headache and
left crying and connecting towhat was underneath that
headache.
The headache was gone, themigraine was gone, but they
really tapped into what wasunderneath it.
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And that's really what we wouldlike to provide is to provide a
sense of deep, calm restoration,emotional release during these
therapeutic sessions, massagesand aesthetic treatments and
facials and the best spas in theworld.
That really is the foundation ofsupporting our on the groundwork
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of providing this to veterans atno cost.
So that supports us and the workthat we do so we can be able to
continue expanding our work andtaking to this this work to the
Middle East.
Today's my birthday and, oh,that's right.
Happy birthday.
Thank you so much.
It became really in ameditation.
It became really clear for methat I'm gonna launch a GoFundMe
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campaign.
I'm trying to raise$13,000 totake this work.
To Iran, to Israel, to the tothese regions that are suffering
from the trauma of what hashappened, what has just
transpired, and to provide themthe tools to address their
mental health and theirwellbeing.
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I want to go train others.
I don't necessarily want tofacilitate all the sessions
myself.
I want to empower others so theycan be able to lead this work in
their communities.
So that's the next immediatething of action that I'm gonna
take is launching that GoFundMecampaign.
And I would love support andanyone that feels called to be
able to support a mission likethat.
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And then the third thing is wewant to be able to.
Provide this mechanisms ofsafety and wellbeing into
people's own daily lives.
So we can be able to feel betterbe more connected.
And yeah, that's my, and that, Ihope that answers your
questions.
Goose, goosebumps again.
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So before I ask my lastquestion, what's the tool,
what's the tip that youmentioned?
Oh.
So let's just get comfortableand we're gonna, bre, I'm gonna
give you a a breathing mechanismthat can help you to relax and
fall asleep.
It's it's a 4 7, 8 breath.
All high performance athletesuse this they use it in, in the
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military as well.
It's used across in multipledifferent gamuts and imagine a
triangle.
So we're gonna breathe up fourseconds.
We're gonna hold our breath forseven seconds, and then the key
is the long exhale.
Eight seconds out.
So this is how we're gonna goout and we're gonna I'm just
gonna practice it with you for30 seconds here because we're
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short on time.
But I want you to be able totake this into your everyday
life.
No one sees you doing it.
You can do it in meetings, youcan do it when you're laying in
bed and trying to fall asleep.
So let's close our eyes for asecond and just tune, slow
everything down.
Take a deep breath.
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So let's breathe in.
4, 3, 2, 1.
Hold, and then exhale and letyour breath.
Last for as long as possible.
Focusing on the smoothness ofyour exhale.
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Taking another deep breath in.
2, 3, 4, hold.
And another deep exhale.
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So this is a tool that I wouldlove for you to be able to take
with you into your everydaylife.
I've seen veterans that havedifficulty falling asleep five
to 10 minutes of this exerciseand they're out.
We use this, I usually dosomething that's stimulating,
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that creates that energy oftension or anxiety so they can
feel like their normal sense ofwhat we experience in the world.
And then we do this for fiveminutes and they're all out.
Out.
So I hope that I've given you atool that will shape or shift
our our everyday life.
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Thank you for that.
And I'm gonna encourage peopleto put it into their practice.
Don't give up.
This is not a tangible,necessarily immediate result.
It takes time, it takespractice.
It's a muscle and it's a muscle.
And it's what, 21 days, I thinkthey say in order to do
something, take it day by day.
But I schedule it, I calendar itin.
I have a little reminder.
I love it every morning to do mybreathing because I, that's a
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whole other.
Podcast episode is breathing.
But I'm a breath holder.
I hold my breath a lot.
Oh, okay.
And it's a fight or flightresponse.
And I've been using thisbreathwork practice, so I'm
gonna take what you did.
I'm gonna do it a couple timestoday, this weekend.
Oh, I appreciate that so much.
I have one final question foryou.
Yes.
And I'll remind everyone thatwe're gonna put Isaac's
information up on our socialmedia.
Also give access to Biot Tune.
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And even if you're not in LosAngeles, I encourage you to
check it out, reach out, askquestions, have conversations
because, oh, you know what?
We're gonna make our appavailable to all of your
audience.
It gives access to five to 20minute sessions.
And they're designed to be ableto in different states
relaxation to increase focus andproductivity, to improve sleep.
(01:00:55):
So it's bite-size.
Choose what you want to do, youand then choose the timeframe
and go.
I love that bite.
We'll make that available.
Great.
We'll put it on our website.
So my last question for you isthis.
Yeah.
And before I ask the question,thank you for your time today.
Thank you.
And thank you for your journeyand thank you for what you bring
to my life and what you bring toeveryone's life in this journey
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of healing and self-acceptance.
It's a beautiful gift and I'mblessed to know you and have you
in my space.
If you could go back to thatyoung Isaac that we talked about
at the beginning of thispodcast, and you could tell him
about his life today, what wouldyou tell him?
It's all gonna work out and lookat it's not even telling him,
(01:01:37):
it's just giving him a hug tolet him know that he's not alone
and that he's gonna be okay.
And that's what all little kidsneed is just that assurance and
that love.
Wow.
I am so grateful to you andthank you for your time today.
I'm grateful to you.
This friendship means a lot.
I'm so happy to have connectedon that day and for our
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friendship to flourish over theyears.
Thank you so much for this timeand opportunity.
I really appreciate you.
We'll talk again soon.
Have a beautiful day.
Bye for now.
Bye for now.
Alright, everyone, thank youagain for joining us on today's
episode.
I hope our conversationresonated with you like it did
me, and I cannot wait to sitdown with you all again next
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