Joanna Basile: Navigating Mental Wellness | Creativity, Sobriety, and the Power of Stories - Just Keep Talking

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Brother Love (00:00):
Telling our stories is the connective tissue of the
collective human experience.
The Just Keep Talking podcast delvesinto the lives and stories of artists.
What is the impact ofmental health on creativity?
What does it mean to bea creative individual?
Someone who feels deeply, experiencesjoy and pain, intensely and
navigates the challenges of lifethrough the creative process.

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With each story shared, we explorethe authentic experience of our
basic need to Be Seen, to Be Heard
and to Belong.
We are really not so differentfrom one another, nor are we alone.
Together we can inspire, encourage, andenlighten each other to find the true joy
and fulfillment that is within ourselves.
When we Just Keep Talking, we createthe space for gratitude, self-acceptance

(00:46):
and grace in everyday life.
In a world filled with divisiveness,
fostering inclusivity and connection isa powerful way to make a positive impact.
The Just Keep Talking podcast with me,Brother Love, because Your Story Matters.

Larry (01:01):
Hello and welcome to the Just Keep Talking podcast with me, Brother
Love, because Your Story Matters.
Every week I get to speak to somebody thatI find interesting about connectivity,
about community, about love, aboutloss, just basically about life.
Because I think if we Just Keep Talking,our stories end up helping ourselves

(01:22):
and others to feel like, you know what?
I'm not so alone in this world.
So for that, I thankyou all for tuning in.
My guest this week is Joanna Basil.
Hello.
Hi, you.
Are a manager.
You're a marketer, you're anon air host, you're a writer.
You are a host of your own podcastcalled the Unrehearsed Podcast.

(01:43):
You do a lot.
I've known you for some time, butI've never really chatted with you.
When I see you, I go, thereis somebody who's really.
Got it together.

Joanna Basile (01:52):
Oh my God.

Larry (01:53):
Yeah.
You wear that.
I'm telling.
So I've seen you in themanagerial position, right?
I mean, you've managedsome people that I know.
Do you manage ElizabethCook or did you work with

Project manager?
I worked with her for many, many years.
Right.
the role evolved over time, right.
And then now I'm kind ofembarking on my own thing again.
Right.
So, which is what I hadoriginally done when I was in LA.
I was able to work with morepeople, if that makes sense.
Yeah.
When you're specialize in workingwith a great number of people, I felt
like I could help a lot more people.

(02:23):
And then when you're working with oneparticular artist, that becomes your life.
Yes.
For a long time.
And I felt like it was time for me toexplore some of those things that you.
Talked about in the introductionwriting and those more creative
things, including my show.
yeah, I'm now embarking on rebranding,but also I keep saying like

(02:48):
creating my own private practice,but it's recreating it, which.
Was a mental health andwellness slash yoga practice.
Right.

Larry (02:57):
So what, what is your background with all that?
Are you certified?

Yeah, so I was a certified counselor in California.
Mm-hmm.
My counseling certificate from UCLA,so while I was going to school at
UCLA, I was also working full-time forthe Betty Ford Center in West la Wow.
As a counselor and coordinator, carecoordinator, and then also getting my

(03:20):
yoga certification at the same time.
And all the while I wasgetting and staying sober.

Larry (03:27):
How long have you been sober?

It'll be 15 years, this summer.

Larry (03:29):
15 years everything.
God,

everything.
Yeah.

Larry (03:32):
Wow.
Yeah.
Congratulations.

Thank you.

Larry (03:34):
That's amazing.
I, I, uh, just celebrated three yearswithout the booze, Congratulations.
Thank you.
I kind of feel a, a kinship withyou because I do a lot of things
and I get very excited about thecreativity of things and I find
myself lost in my own space sometimes.
And I'm not saying thatyou're lost in your own space.
Oh, I am.
Okay, good.
But re, when you say you'rerecreating, it's almost like

(03:57):
you're recreating yourself.
Cause we're evolving all the time ifwe're doing things correctly, right?
I mean, we're not static.
I mean, I may not tour anymore as much asI used to, but by no means am I static.
I mean, I may be home, but I'm alwaysworking on something and I, I've had a,
a shift in my life where I quit drinking.
I got off the road.

(04:17):
That whole lifestyle was killing me.
I was killing me.
I was killing myself on a lot of levels,miserable, depressed, and I knew that if I
didn't quit drinking, I would not be ableto lift myself up and get out of that rut.
Of being really sad and reallydepressed and really lost.
I was like, all right, well I'm touring.
My band is opening up for thisartist, and nothing just felt good.

(04:39):
Nothing felt right, and I'm still likekind of figuring it all out because
I'm years, uh, past all of that.
And here I am, like I'm barking onsomething new like this podcast.
And being able to meet people likeyourself who have been on a journey of
wellness, of health, of searching for themoment to create, which is every moment.

(05:01):
And you've inspired me with a lot of thethings that I've seen and see you do.
So thank you for inspiringme without even knowing.
Oh, thank

you.

Larry (05:08):
That's something that I think is really important.
So you've been sober 15 years.
You moved to Nashville when?
How many years ago?

It'll be eight years this summer.

Larry (05:15):
And did you, like

late summer,

Larry (05:16):
did you come here for entertainment?
Is your, are you primarilyin the entertainment world

these days?
Primarily?
Well, I always have been since myfirst gig running a recording studio.
Then, I mean, once you getbit by the bug, forget it.
I was also raised in ahouse with musicians.
Huh?

Larry (05:33):
Mom and dad were musicians.
My,

my stepdad was a drummer, big band jazz.
And so we had a kit in the basement.
A Slingerland.
A Slingerland.
Slingerland, yeah.
Blue Sparkle.

Larry (05:42):
I had a US Mercury Blue Sparkle drum set was my first drum kit.
Yeah.
Blue Sparkle was the thing, man.

And I was just enamored by it.
But back then.
It wasn't lady liked to playthe drums and him and I, I
recently lost him, but I'm sorry.
Yeah, it's hard because we had sucha tumultuous upbringing and very,
um, dysfunctional step families andthe whole thing, some addiction and

(06:09):
alcoholism and all sorts of crazy stuff.
But, you know, the, the onethread, I think throughout
everything was the music thing.
My appreciation for music runs deep.
I have an incredible ear.
Mm-hmm.
And a reverence for it.
Yeah.
Because I don't play, and so I'vegot to work with some really great

(06:30):
singers and I'm just i'm amazed by it.
Mm-hmm.
But I also, how can I help liftsomeone else's creativity or
make them better at their craft?
And so over time and living in LA you'resuper exposed to the entertainment world.
Right?
Everything.
When I went and became a counselorand a yoga teacher and I started

(06:53):
doing the sober companion thing, yeah.
Then I was doing like a little bit ofband counseling and that sort of thing.
It kind of turned into this career.
Yeah.
And when I came here to Nashville, it justdidn't translate and I ended up working
very intensely with individuals and.
I don't think that's my lane either.

(07:14):
I think it's served its purposefor as long as I, I've done it.
Mm-hmm.
And I love helping people.
I get really stuck in the minutiaand I end up maybe even enabling
people in, in a lot of ways.
Just got a life coaching certificate.
Congratulations.
Thank you.
That's really cool.
So I just said, fuck it, and Iwent back to school and I got that.

(07:35):
And so I'm trying to get my Californiacertification here to Tennessee.
Mm-hmm.
So I can do my counseling privatepractice, because I do feel like I'm
called to do that in a lot of ways.
Why
You mentioned marketing and I'm good at it.
I have a brain for it.
Right.
But I feel like I could use thatin other ways instead of just your

(07:57):
corporate agency model marketing.
Mm-hmm.
That doesn't feel good to my soul.
That doesn't feel good tothe creative side of me.
I'm good at the marketing stuff.
I'm also good at the counseling stuff.
You don't always necessarilylove what you're good at.
The counseling stuff, there's purpose.
Mm-hmm.
There's a sense of, I mean,purpose is the word, right?

(08:20):
It gives you purpose and itfeels like you're called.
To help other people.
Yeah.
You know, I was encouraged by my professor
and mentor to see it through.
Like she's a therapist with amillion years under her belt and
she's never lost the fire for it.
That's
great.
It's hard when you work in addiction.

(08:40):
Sometimes it's a thankless job,but also you lose people and it
was really difficult for me to loseclients or see clients, um, when you

Larry (08:51):
mean lose, like pass away?
Yeah, yeah,

yeah.
I've had clients die, not a direct,I did have one client that was
overdosed and survived, but it hadreally terrible physical repercussions
and that's when I was like, Ican't work in a treatment setting.
Right.
The great thing about when I was doing the yoga in
the treatment centers, I would goin with my counseling and my yoga
mm-hmm.
Newly sober.

(09:14):
Mm-hmm.
And you're doing yoga, you're havingthese transformative moments, these
aha moments in yoga and realizingthat through movement of our
body, it's like releasing things.
It could be releasing emotionsor trauma or whatever it is.
I would have these moments of likerevelation or an emotional breakthrough.

(09:35):
Mm-hmm.
Oftentimes like sobbing on theground and a yoga instructor.
Someone who just goes in andteaches a physical yoga class.
Mm-hmm.
What do they do with that?
You know, so I did thetrauma informed training.
I had the counseling, and I wentin and I was able to hold space for
those people in a way that other yogateachers or an instructor couldn't.

(09:58):
Right.
Then I was able to take excellentclinical notes and pass those on
to their treatment team, right?
So we were utilizing those moments.
So I got to go in, watch thesepeople, have these transformative
experiences, create an environment oran experience for them to have that in
and then pass along the information.
So it was really valuable information.

(10:21):
I felt like, oh my God, I can go in.
I don't have to getinvolved in the politics.
Right?
Like I get to know my students and my, my clients.
Yes.
But I don't get so involved, like, soemotionally involved that you are affected
because I don't care what anybody says,there are people who are sober for a
long time, like get used to it because.
People die all the time.

(10:41):
I've never gotten used to one of myfriends or colleagues overdosing.
I've never gotten used to a clientdying, and I don't think I ever will.
It's just not in my DNA.

Larry (10:50):
Yeah.
I really appreciate your mindfulnessthat you decided to direct your attention
inward because you really coached me.
The reason why we're sitting here isbecause I hit you up on social media
because I saw you and you were postingabout disconnecting from social media.
For about 10 days, right?

(11:10):
Yeah.
You wrote, "Been on here five minutesand I've already seen some things
that make my head and my heart ache.
What did I accomplish in the 10 daysthat I've been off social media?"
And you just rattled off wonderful things.
"I completed a life coachingcourse, scored 94%".
Congratulations.
Thank you.
" Spoke with dear friends on the phone.
Walked Dutch," this beautifuldog right here "Twice a day.

(11:33):
Finished a book and started another one."
Congratulations.
"Trimmed a tree."
I don't know where you find the time.
"Got my bicycle going.
Took the vet out a bunch."
You have a really cool car.
" Sold stuff on Poshmark.
Read the morning paper every day.
Meditated every day.
Had coffee with a good friendthat I haven't seen in a while.
Got to take a yogaclass, tried goat yoga."

(11:53):
You did a bunch of things.
Started your private practice again,you know you are doing things, you're
doing things, and then you went backon social media and you were like, wow.
And you wrote, "We are inthe midst of trying times.
I must take care of myself before Ifight the good fight and help others.
As much as I can't do that byburying my head, I can't do that

(12:15):
in my head either, and I certainlycannot do that scrolling here."
That just paused me in my tracks andI almost started crying because I
thought, wow, you're really helping me.
You're really coaching me.
You're speaking directlyto me, Joanna Basil.
So I want to talk about thisphenomenon that we all know, and

(12:37):
we all say it all the time and weall do it, which is social media.
And then we all say, I'm getting offof here and I'm putting my phone down.
And then we pick it back up and wego back to whatever life we're doing.
What happened?
What, was this for you?
The conscious decision to put it down?
I know it seems pedestrian,I just put it down.
I needed to take a break, but I feellike you have some insight that I need

(13:00):
to hear, so this is personal for me.

Okay.
Well then I'm speaking to you andanyone else that this applies to.
Well, I keep my eye on tech first.
It was kind of forced onme because of work, right?
Mm-hmm.
You're working in a marketing agencyand there's a lot of technology that's
being introduced, and then it just, tome, I feel like having my finger on the
pulse of technology, I just need toevolve as a human being in this world.

(13:26):
I need to be aware of it.
And I also, in doing so.
I learned of the dangers of it.
Mm-hmm.
And I remember reading a long time ago how, you know, the,
the C-suite people at these techcompanies that don't let their kids
have a phone or when they go into thesemeetings, they leave their phone in
a different room because perhaps ourphones are learning too much about us.

(13:47):
If you start to look at, how it'schanging our brains, whether you're
an adolescent or an adult, right.
It's not healthy for us.
And then as a woman, you see allthese sexy photos and this, and we
just, even the, the neighbor or thetraveler, whatever, and I'm doing
this comparison thing and we havethese unrealistic beauty standards

(14:10):
with these unrealistic standards.
Now we're comparing ourselvesto say the Kardashians.
That's not normal.
Never.
Never.
It was, if you think about it, likein the sixties, our parents wanted
to get a car that was as nice as theneighbors, which was what a Buick.

Larry (14:25):
Right.

Do

Larry (14:25):
you know

what I mean?

Larry (14:26):
Yeah.
I mean, but there were, it'sdifferent, but there were magazines,
there were things out thereto aspire to for sure.
You actually had to go and get themagazine that came out once a week
or once a month, or biweekly, andit wasn't every second of every day.

Also, I noticed in in past relationships that social media even
became an issue because if you think aboutit before, say sexy photographs or porn or
whatever, those people were unattainablenow on social media, it's right
there at our fingertips and you couldactually connect with those individuals.

(14:59):
Yeah.
So it's like a constant barrage of thingsthat normally wouldn't be at our reach.
And then other things that really aren'tat our reach that are being marketed to us
in a way that, that they are attainable.
It's just such a mind fuck.
Mm-hmm.
And so for someone like me whostill reads books, actual books,
and, and I actually still listento the radio, I have to admit.

(15:22):
All that sort of thing, I'm old school,I'm Generation X, all those things.
It's just overwhelming for me.
And a long time ago, I think it was inconjunction with like, let's say the yoga
retreats or the yoga teacher trainings.
I would put my phone awayand it started with like five
days and it'd be seven days.
And if I did the six mancruises, right, right.
And you're out at sea.

(15:42):
I'm like, fuck it, I'm gonna be offsocial media and off my phone as much
as I can for the next seven days.
And it started become an annual thing.
So this was my annual thing andmaybe now I'm gonna make it biannual.
Right.
'cause it was a lot easier thanI, I remember it being, 'cause
maybe I'm just so over it.
Yeah.
And in the past year or so, Iread this book called Future Proof

Larry (16:02):
Uhhuh,

uh, nine Rules for Surviving in the Age of AI.

Larry (16:06):
Nice.

Kevin
Roose.
Cool.
So he's a Tech writer.

Larry (16:09):
Okay.

And, oh, just his style of writing was so easy
to, and conversational and cool.
I, I loved his writing and he wouldsay by day they were talking about
how tech was going to make ourjobs easier and it was gonna just.
Make life easier and all.
And then as night fell and theystarted to have a couple drinks in
'em, they started to say how they'regonna make so much money and they're

(16:32):
gonna cut the workforce and all that.
Right?
So being someone that was working in a for my day job, right?
The marketing thing and looking at howam I gonna Future Proof myself because AI
is just gonna take me out in a heartbeat.
I'm like a middleman at this point, right?
And so I read this book.
I was like, okay.
Creators, right?
Mm-hmm.
And anything that we could put ourhand print on, and I'm gonna reread

(16:55):
this 'cause I, I really, reallyenjoyed the book, but also I think
I need to reread it with Restarting
Right?
My, my business again.
And one of the things that he mentionsis this book by Catherine Price called
How to Break Up with Your Phone.
Nice.
And it goes through step-by-step processand how you do it every day and what you
do to eliminate things on your phone thatyou just don't need, that are distracting.

(17:19):
And I, did all that and then, yeah,I took time off my phone and this
was kind of self-imposed because thestate of the world, let's just say,
yeah, just the state of things were,it was really weighing heavy on me.
The point in like it was affectingmy sleep and maybe it should be.
Uh, things are concerning,but everything's so divisive.

(17:39):
Yeah.
And I think that's what they want.
Yeah.
And so I was like, I need tostop participating in that.
Right.
So I put myself on Yeah.

Larry (17:47):
You put

your phone down.
Yeah.
I put myself on a self-imposed hiatusfrom unnecessary things in my phone.
Social media in particular.
Right.

Larry (17:56):
Well, good for you because I find that that is a very empowering
move to be able to do that.
You know, I'm around people, um,family members more recently that
I haven't seen my brother and, hehas his phone ringing during dinner
and I said, you put your phone down.
And he looked at me like I was crazy.
And we're so ingrained in us thatyou just have it on all the time.

(18:17):
You're accessible all the time.
He's like, yeah, but thisperson's trying to reach me.
And I'm like.
I yelled at him ' I'm like,well, you're in my house.
I sounded right.
All of a sudden, I'm the parent, right?
You're in my house, put the phone down.
And I thought to myself, why is itthat you, whoever you are, but this
was my brother, don't feel likeit's necessary to spend time in the
moment with the person that I'm with.

(18:39):
And we've gone so far fromthat, from being in the moment.
I wanna read a quote by Michael Singerfrom the book Living Untethered that I
love, and he says, "If you are willingto experience the moment unfolding
in front of you, you will have theopportunity to be inspired by everything.
The simple fact that things existwill be sufficient to move you."

(19:00):
And that blows my mind becauseit's so simple and so true.
And yet there I am yelling atmy brother to put his damn phone
away while we're having dinner.
Uh, not even like, while we're justdriving around or, or watching tv.
I mean, it drives me crazy, like putit on vibrate if we're in the house,
but the things running all the time.
And I just thought we need tobe more present in the moment.

(19:23):
We need to be in the moment.
And so what you did by putting all of thataway for 10 days, was pretty remarkable
and I love that you able to list thingsbecause we are in trying times and things
are really insane and really blown outof proportion to the point where we're
divided beyond getting back together.
Right, right.
I'm not getting back togetherwith some family members of mine

(19:44):
for a very long time or friends.
It's very depressingand it's very upsetting.
But what I do understand is that whenwe have a connection, like, I don't know
you, but we're sitting in here right nowand you are listening, and I'm listening
and we're being with each other, and thisis, this is nourishment for me and this
is nourishment that we can do on a very,very, uh, low level of our lives, that

(20:06):
if we continue to connect with peoplethat maybe the moment will turn into
the next moment, which turns into thenext, and it's a very slow going thing.
" Peace is in every step."
as Thich Nhat Hanh would say, orPeace in every breath as well.
And it's a lot of hard work,but this is the work that we.
Should be doing.

(20:27):
And I don't like to sayshoulds and shouldn't, but

You can.
Well, yeah, that's, wehave a lot of rules.
That's what I found out through therapy.
I have a lot of

Larry (20:35):
rules.
Please.
You have that you imposeon yourself, right?

Yeah.
And others.
Yeah.
And it became an issue in relationships.
I had all these rules and then I hadall these rules that I had to follow
and she said, you got a lot of rules.
Write 'em down.
Yeah.
And it was just, that was an exercise for me.
It made me realize it.
Like you said, we shouldn't say should.
Right.
Or shouldn't.
Right.
Right.
It's like, ah, you can, I mean, Iget why you're saying that, don't get

(21:01):
me wrong, but I like how you talkedabout us sitting here connecting,
because there's apps now for.
Recording podcasts and it's all donethrough AI and on video and on this.
Most people are justlistening anyway, number one.
Number two, I like sitting across fromsomeone and having a conversation.
Yeah.
Like there's an exchange of energy.

(21:22):
We can look at each other in the eyes,we can, you know, see what we're doing.
You play off each other.
Yeah.
It's, to me that's rewarding ina way, just the process itself.
You brought up Michael Singer.

Larry (21:35):
Mm-hmm.

Which is funny because I'm rereading Untethered Soul.

Larry (21:38):
Thank you for reminding us that it's okay to reread these books.

I mean, oh God, I reread stuff all the time.
I, but people don't do that in the morning
I have to read somethingnourishing to get myself centered.
Right.
And I've been meditating like amotherfucker lately, like every day.
Come hell or high water.
Such a better day if I meditate.
How

Larry (21:56):
long long do you meditate for?
What's your,

see, that's the thing.
You can do it.
Listen, if I can get 10 minutes.
Yeah.
I'm happy.
It's beautiful.
If I can get 25 minutes in.
Yeah.
Damn.
Like I won at life.
And I, was old school, like I shouldn'thave to do a guided meditation.
Well, who cares if that helpsyou Meditate better go for it.
Yeah.
There's Dr.
Joe Dispenza.
Mm-hmm.
I dunno if you're familiar at all,but, um, he works with a lot of

(22:20):
people who have suffered with PTSD.
And so I'm working through a lotof PTSD issues and the meditations.
It's about getting past the blockagesand stop living in the past.
And you're starting tolive in the present.
Yeah.
And putting energy outthere for your future.
Hmm.
And putting your energytowards your future.
I have to hear that some mornings 'cause,

(22:41):
for so long I was putting my energytowards other people's futures.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
And that's where I'm at right now.
And yeah, rereading the Untethered Soul.
I just finished the SurrenderExperiment by Michael Singer.
Yeah.
And that one, for some reason, Iwould read a chapter per morning.
'cause it was like the perfect size.

(23:01):
The perfect, yeah.
Me too chunk.
Yeah.
And so I would take a bite outof the book and sit with that.
Maybe meditate after, maybe go for a walk.
So I have a little morningroutine, um, that I've probably
been doing since I got sober.
Yeah, so I was telling someonethat recently she dove into
12 Step and I said, I read.

(23:22):
86 through 88 in the big bookevery morning for a year.
No joke, come Hell orHigh Water I've read that.
So that conditioned me to getting myhead right for the day, but also to read
something nourishing in the morning.
It doesn't matter what the source is.
Yeah.
Right,
right.
And it doesn't matter if you readit before because sometimes I

(23:43):
get something different out of it.
Mm-hmm.
Because
you have a different perspective based on where you're
at in your life at any given time.
Yeah.
You know, you had referencing atone point, like, you look like you
have your shit together or whatever.
Or sometimes you have somuch going on creatively.
Mm-hmm.
Or do you want to accomplishso many different things?
In different compartmentsthat you lose yourself in it.
Yeah, I'm there.

(24:04):
Trust me.
And have been for a minuteI had to hit restart.
Yeah.
Not just on like brandingmyself or my private practice.
I had to hit restart on life.
I had to lose everything.
And when I, I mean I could, wecould go on and on about that,
but like I lost everything.
Yeah.
And I've had to come backphysically, mentally, spiritually.

(24:26):
Hmm.
Relationship wise, all the things,and this is kind of a new start, but
it's such a weird time in the worldright now to be focusing inward.

Larry (24:39):
Oh, I hear you.

Because you almost feel guilty about it.
And I know I'm not alone in thatand I know I'm not alone in, in my
suffering around a lot of things.
Yeah.
And just to like on a podcast, here's someone else say,
this is really fucking with me.
It's, it's important for us to talkabout things 'cause I don't know where

(25:00):
we got this idea that life was perfect.

Larry (25:03):
Yeah.

Or supposed to look perfect

Larry (25:05):
or supposed to have everything the way we want it to be.

Right.

Larry (25:08):
This was what Michael Singer talks about in the Untethered Soul, or Living
Untethered or The Surrender Experiment.

So in reading those books mm-hmm.
You have like Yoga Philosophydown because I was telling someone
that the Untethered Soul is like
Yoga Philosophy for dummies.
Yeah.
But, you know, objectivity and staying present and all that.
There were concepts that hetalks about that were so lofty.
For me, my yoga lineage, my, my teacherEric Paskel my original real Yoga teacher.

(25:38):
His teacher is Swami Ji in India.
Mm-hmm.
Mumbai, India.
And I've heard his daughter speak.
I've yet to hear him speak.
I don't know if I ever will.
He's, he's an older gentleman, butin these studies, like I've, I've
been studying Vedanta for years.
Ancient Indian philosophy.
Yeah.
Michael Singer's books like put it into perspective
for me, like it made it make sense.

(25:59):
It took it where I could takethose concepts and apply them

Larry (26:02):
because he simplifies it in such a way that is, uh, digestible for me
as a Westerner.
I'm very much like you.
I am so drawn to Eastern philosophy.
I was raised, born and raised as a Jew.
I am absolutely Jew-ISH Imean, like I was Bar Mitzvahed.
I have no desire to go to Israel.
I mean, and people go, oh myGod, you gotta go to Israel.

(26:23):
I'm like, eh, I'd rather go to India.
I'm drawn, I'm just drawn there.
I'm drawn to Eastern philosophy.
I'm drawn to Vedanta.
I'm, I'm drawn to, um, man, uh, Yogananda.
I'm drawn to Muktananda I'm drawn to alot of Yogis, and it just speaks to me.
But when Michael Singer says, "Youfree yourself by finding yourself"

(26:43):
In the Untethered Soul, I'm like,it's that easy, it's that simple.
And of course, none of this is simple.
And the reason why we're here isbecause somebody named Joanna Basil
said, you know what I'm doing?
I'm unplugging for 10 days, and I wantedto see how you were doing and how you're
feeling and, how you are plugging back in.

It was great to reset and I shit you not.
Mm-hmm.
The second that I did myphone was compromised.

Larry (27:08):
Compromised.

Yeah.

Larry (27:09):
Really?
Oh

yeah.
I got hacked.

Larry (27:10):
You got hacked?

Oh yeah, I did.

Larry (27:12):
Sorry.

So I had a particular phone service.
It turns out that they had a data breach2021 and again in 2024 Here I went to try
and curb some of the use of technology.
And then the second that Iplug back in my phone's hacked.
Wow.
And I gotta tell you what, it was very activating, very triggering.

(27:34):
Right.
And brought up a lot of fight or flight.

Larry (27:38):
Mm-hmm.

A lot of survival mode.

Larry (27:40):
Which is common right now with everybody.
Oh.
Especially now when,

yes.
And I, and listen, I have spentthis summer hitting pause on travel,
hitting pause on dating, hitting pause.
I mean, you name it.
It's really been ajourney of going inward.
Mm-hmm.
I have taken drastic measures to takecare of my Mental Health and Wellness.
I started working for anorganization, a nonprofit here.

(28:06):
Mm-hmm.
Where they provide MentalHealth and Wellness.
Mm-hmm.
Day of show.

Larry (28:11):
Wow.

So at festivals, and it's not just music, they're
branching out into just live events.

Larry (28:18):
Who's this?

So it's called Eccho Live.

Larry (28:20):
Eccho Live.
Wow.
Started

by this guy Chris.
And Chris has a lighting company.
He's been a touring professional formany, many years, and people that
are in a touring environment mm-hmm.
Or been on the road or at festivals, yousee it has very unique issues, problems.
You're being

Larry (28:39):
nice.

It's insane!
Yeah.
Sometimes it feels insane, right?

Larry (28:43):
It's just un, it's unsettling

So my first.
venture Intuit was CMA fest.
Right.
And I got to see firsthand and sometimes it's just a musician
that comes off a bus and is just fried.
Mm-hmm.
And other times it's someone who'sactually, you know, on the presses,
you know, a rigger who's up thereand has something on their mind
and needs to talk to someone.

(29:06):
'cause they're kind ofin a dangerous position.
Yeah.
Or they're upset with an organization.
Or their, company, and theyjust need to vent to someone.
So it runs a whole gamut.
It could be coaching, itcould be counseling, but they
just need someone to talk to.
And in those scenarios, I couldjust pull out some yoga techniques
and grounding techniques.
Right.

(29:26):
You know, I had a loved one who would havekind of a crises on the road and there
was no one there to help, you know, inthat moment, other than his colleagues.
Right?
And they're not, sometimesthat's above their pay grade.
And I'm not gonna pretend that therearen't gonna be things that are
outside my scope of work, but I knowthat people that I have worked with.
In real time at a festival or a live show.

(29:49):
Yeah.
It's been so rewarding.
Yeah.
And they always come backaround to us and say, thank you.
So we, we set it backstage.
Mm-hmm.
It's for everyone.
It's for the stage hand, it'sfor the artist, it's for whoever
needs it at that given time.
I look at it like MentalWellness First Aid.
Yeah.

Larry (30:06):
Triage.
You like mental health triage.

Yeah.
And so kind of the thing that they'vecome up with is, How are you holding up?
Because it's hot out there.
Mm-hmm.
It's stressful, you know?
There's so much going onand everybody thinks it's so
glamorous and sexy all the time.
Right.
You know, it's not, but you know,I've worked with entertainers in
different capacities my entire career.

(30:28):
Mm-hmm.
For the last, let's say.
11, 12 years I've been workingwith people in a wellness capacity.
Yeah.
Right.
And so in my podcast we talked to Dr.
Charlie, who's Yeah.
The musician's physician.
Absolutely right.
And I know you know who he is.
And we talk about, you know,what we can do to support our.
Overall health and wellness.

(30:49):
When we're on the road or whenwe're in, you know, this environment
and there's Emily Rasmussen,she talks about nutrition.
There's very specificthings we can do to support.
Now then again, it's like,okay, do we have the resources
to take care of ourselves?
Right that way?
'cause sometimes you're rollingup to the venue and they're

(31:09):
throwing a pizza at you again.
Right.
We as individuals, and I thinkwhen we eliminate alcohol, for
example, now we're awake and aware.
Mm-hmm.
Good news is you get to feel everything.
Bad news is you get to feel everything.
Yeah, totally.
Yeah.
But you, you now create this anawareness and it's like a whole
nother level of adulting where I'mlike, okay, now I have to take care

(31:30):
of myself on a whole different level.
And you're more aware of like.
The mental health issues thatwe might, you know, co-occurring
disorders is what I would call it.
So many of us are anxiety sufferers,depression, whatever it is, right?
And now it's there.
We took away our medicine and nowwe have to deal with these things.
Then there's physical aspects thatcan help support all the rest of it.

(31:52):
Mm-hmm.
And it sounds really overwhelming and that's
why we turn to professionals.
Listen, anything I say.
I am well researched.
I read a lot.
I talk to people that areway smarter than I am.
Mm-hmm.
And then I get todisperse that information.
Yeah.
So that's why I share the way I do on social media.
'cause I'm just tellingyou sometimes what I do.

(32:13):
Right.

Larry (32:14):
Well that's, the whole part about this that I appreciate is that
it's not just the professional with thecertificate, the degree on the wall.
You are speaking to me in thelanguage that I understand and I
see you because I know you're inthe same sort of world that I am in.
Mm-hmm.
It's just important to be able toconnect on a level that makes sense.

Well, and that's what I'm saying too, is that we don't
need all the resources in the world,you know, financially or otherwise.
There's some simple things that we can do.
Mm-hmm.
And sometimes.
It could be as simplejust asking for help.
Right.
And I know there's a lot of resources forlive music professionals and musicians.
A lot of foundations, a lot of help outthere if we just ask and look for it.

(32:56):
Yeah.
Um, this particular organization'scalled Eccho Live and they have All
Access Live, which is when we're onsite and then they have All Access.
So you can access.
Mental health professionals, everythingfrom coaching to therapists and I, I think
they do four no cost sessions to start.

Larry (33:15):
Right on.
Yeah.
That's fantastic.
So one of the things that you'retouching upon is, I feel better
when I'm helping and I'm giving.
And it's sort of thenature of where I grew up.
Like my mother was depressed, my motherhelped people, and she felt better.
Now that was a bandaid that didn'treally help her in the long run.
And so what I'm curious aboutis how are you with receiving?
When it comes to receiving, youknow, how, how are you, where

(33:38):
are you at with, with receiving?
Because you seem like somebody who gives

Well, I, I've recently had to ask for help.
It's so hoing.
What's, oh my god, what's that like?
Because that's where

Larry (33:48):
so hard get into it with that.
You know?
I am terrible at asking for help.
I think I can figure it out on my own,and I like to help and give to others.
I've done some studying,I'm meditated, I'm centered.
I can at least give a little bitof myself to whomever needs it
in front of me now, and then Iturn around am a complete maniac.

(34:09):
And.
Not dealing with my own anger and my ownsadness and all that, and I, and I say,
wait, there's a real disconnect here.
I don't ask for help and I'm notreceiving help when it's given.
And I'm curious about howyou, uh, weighed those waters.

Well, I think for a long time I heard the old adage
that givers have to be with givers.
Otherwise, if a giver ends up witha taker, and this is in regards to
relationship or friendship or whatever,you're always gonna end up, you know,
getting the short end of the stickand, and that's too simple for me.
Like I needed to learn some hard lessons.

(34:46):
Yeah.
So I tend to be empathetic.
I tend to be a giver.
I tend to be understanding and forgiving.
And there are people thattake advantage of that.
Yeah, for sure.
So they see that vulnerability and
they see that as weakness.
Mm-hmm.
And people would say to me, you're strongand you're so smart and you've done all
this work on yourself, how could youpossibly get yourself in that situation?

(35:09):
Right.

Larry (35:11):
Wait exactly.
All the time.

Hi.
If I saw the, because I'ma human being, I don't

Larry (35:15):
know.

And I, I had a therapist for a long time back
in la um, and she would say.
You give your heart away.
How about you save some for yourself?
Hmm.
And it's funny, she said a lot ofthings years ago that didn't really
resonate with me until they do.
Yeah.
So I had to learn some life lessons.
The hard way to hear that.

(35:36):
Mm-hmm.
Same thing with keep going.
Back to the well, butthe well is always dry.
Yeah.
And that was in relation to some family relationships.
Mm-hmm.
And I didn't know what thatmeant until, man, I was hit in
the head with the wells dry.
So getting back to how do I askfor help or how do I receive it?

(35:58):
It is, it's hard becauseit's foreign to me.
And I don't do well with rejection.
I don't think many people do,but it's hard to ask for help.
Yeah.
Because then especially if youget up the courage to ask for
help, and then someone says no.
Yeah.
And I've had to, I've been forced to ask for help.
So those of you who'vehelped me, thank you.

(36:19):
Um, and what I say to anyone that'sever helped me is I swear to you.
If I couldn't repay you,I will pay this forward.
Right.
And that's just how I've always kind of lived,
is paying things forward.
And anytime I've helped anybody
yeah.
I'm
like, pay it forward.
Yeah.
Wouldn't the world be such a great place if we were busy just.

(36:39):
Paying forward.
Yeah.

Larry (36:40):
But also there's a judgment attached to all of this.
That's the part, like just being ableto freely give and freely receive.
another quote here bymy hero, Brene Brown.
Oh yeah.
I quote Brene Brown on this show.
Probably too much, but Idon't think it's too much.
So here we go.
Until we can receive with anopen heart, we are never really
giving with an open heart.
When we attach judgment to receivinghelp, we knowingly or unknowingly

(37:03):
attach judgment to giving help.
There's this judgment with, you know,like, I'm terrible for asking for help,
that I'm weak for asking for help.
And then I realized thatif somebody's asking me for
help, maybe I'm judging them.
Thing.
This judgment, it's,it feels transactional.
It's exactly right.
It's transactional.
Right.
And it drives me nuts that I do it.

(37:23):
And I want to, I just, I'mtrying to heal this about myself.

Okay.
So one of the ways that I would, dothis is I worked with the unhoused.
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
So when I took my, addictioncounseling education, and when
I first moved here, I went and Iworked with folks at Room in the Inn.
Yeah.
And What they would normally expect to be, say, a
12 step meeting, I would run itlike, you know, almost a class.

(37:47):
Yeah.
It was, and it was interactive.
It wasn't just me talking atthem or whatever, and it, it
was, it was a really great thing.
Yeah.
That's just something I did because I wanted to introduce myself
or inject myself into the communityhere in a way that was unique and
that I could use My education and myexperience in a way that wasn't going

(38:09):
to benefit me monetarily or whatever.
It was just like, okay, this feels right.
Yeah.
I didn't talk about it much.
Do things and don't tell anybody about it.
Right.
That builds self-esteem.

Larry (38:22):
Oh yeah.
I like that.
Yeah.
So.

There's things that I do in the winter time.
If you get McDonald's gift certificates,we know McDonald's isn't healthy, but $5
is gonna give somebody a cup of coffee.
They can go inside with their giftcertificate and they can spend time
and the warmth and get a cup of coffee.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
I do stuff like that.
I don't tell anybody I'm doing right.
It doesn't cost me a lot of money.
I don't have a lot of money.

(38:45):
Just these little things thatare steam building for me.
Yeah.
There's no transaction involved.
Whatsoever.
I don't even tell that person.
Pay it forward.
How the fuck could they pay that forward?
Do you know what I mean?
Yeah.
That's a little way that I tookthe transaction out of help.

Larry (39:03):
That's fantastic.
I love that.
So where are you at right now?
Where are things for you?
Like right now,

I am engrossed in taking care of my mental health.
Yeah.
So I'm, I'm gonna talk about it.
I wondered if I would or not, but Ithink this would be helpful for people.
So there are these treatmentsout there, like ketamine.
Mm-hmm.
S ketamine.
So it's nasally.
ingested?
but that didn't seem like it was for me.

(39:29):
And so I looked at TMS, transcranialMagnetic, and I always forget what the
S stands for, but it's basically, thereis a daily treatment, lasts about 18
minutes long, and it's literally a magnet.
Yeah.
Tapping on your head,
right?
For 18 minutes a day for weeks.
Okay.

(39:49):
Do

Larry (39:49):
you tap this on your own head?
No.
Or somebody does this for you?

I have to go into the office and, good.
Thank God I'm knocking on wood.
My insurance covered it, and it'sto reset the part of the brain
that helps with resilience becauseI've suffered trauma over time.
PTSD.
Anxiety.

Larry (40:09):
Mm-hmm.
She pointed at me, by the way.
Yes.
I'm very anxious.
We

talked about that.
I don't, I pointed atyou like in knowing like,

Larry (40:15):
oh, that is No, I, I have just really recently self-diagnosed myself.
I'm like, oh yeah.
I'm not just anxious.
I am anxious.

Yes.
And and so for those of us that drankand used a addictively or a alcoholically
or just irresponsibly, a lot of thetimes, a very high percentage of us
have suffered some sort of trauma.
If you look at my trauma history,I'm surprised I'm still around
and I've overcome a lot ofthings because I'm resilient.
Well, after a while you get tired.

(40:44):
Yeah.
And I'm tired, so my psychiatrist and I are
working on the part of the brain.
It Reactivates.
Mm-hmm.
The part of my brain that inducesresilience and it helps my brain
with the parts that are tired.
And in doing that, ithelps all other functions.

(41:05):
It will help with depression the most.
Wow.
So it was never a depression sufferer.
I think that was situational depression.
Right.
But all of a sudden it wasn't.
Then it was just there.
And I think I was also depressedbecause of the anxiety and it kind of
flip flopped somewhere along the waywhere, you know, I led with anxiety and
in recent years it's been depression.

(41:25):
And so it will put thedepression into remission.

Larry (41:29):
The TMS?
Yeah.
Wow.
So how long have you been doing TMS.

For a few weeks now.
A couple months.

Larry (41:35):
What's the difference in your feelings?

Well, I had the dip they talk about, and that's where,
if you look it up online, peoplewill say like, oh, I felt worse.
But there's a dip if you takecontrol of your treatment.
Mm-hmm.
And you educate yourself and you knowwhat's going on, and you ask questions.
Mm-hmm.
And you're transparentabout where you're at.
You will have the experienceyou're supposed to have.

Larry (41:56):
Right.

So I'm gonna see this thing out.
Yeah.
You know, I went through the dip.
When you say the dip,

Larry (42:01):
you mean

like, it was like one day where I couldn't get out of bed
and thank God it was on a Saturday, butit was just like, okay, this is weird.
And I couldn't pinpoint why I didn't wannaget outta bed, and I couldn't pinpoint,
I couldn't articulate how it was feeling.
Right.
It was really weird.
And that went on for a coupledays and it was like, oh, okay,
that happens in the treatment.
And then you feel.
Better.

Larry (42:22):
Right.
And do you feel better?

Yeah.
It's also, I'm sleeping better.

Larry (42:27):
Hmm.
That's important.

So I, I mean, in the last couple weeks I've had better sleep
than I have had in months and months.
Good for you.
Congrats.
Sleep is
really important.
Very much so.
And sleep hygiene, there's all sorts of things we can do.
Like stay the fuck off our phones.
Yeah.
At night.
Yeah.
And i've been exercising differently.
Okay.
Walking every day.
The meditation, oh my God.

(42:48):
I'm not gonna stop talkingabout the meditation.
It's life changing.
It really is.
And I've always done it,but this is different.
This is like, I'm committed to it.

Larry (42:56):
Yeah.
Well that's a big deal.
That's huge.
Being committed to yourself andyou have a routine and you're,
you are asked for help and you'rereceiving the help and with therapy.
Um, you're on a pretty amazing journey.

Yeah.
And I'm working again.
Yeah.
And feeling purposeful andthen having goals Yeah.
And seeing a future, which, youknow, I still see a future despite
whatever the hell's going on Yeah.
These days out there.
I know that life is impermanent,I know that, that's the truth.
The truth of everything iseverything's impermanent.

(43:27):
Right.
That's true.
But I have to have something toreach for some goals, a future, and
even if it's just in the form of
energy.
Yeah.
And quantum physics and that, andif, meditating is what's gonna get
me there and get me in a, bettermindset around my future, then,
then I'll meditate every day.

Larry (43:45):
Well, it's free and it's absolutely opens us to the present
moment and it opens us to love and

Yeah.

Larry (43:52):
Surrender and all of this.
And I do it

outside.
Yeah.
You can do it wherever.
One of the things I'm learningthrough the meditation is if we come
from a place of gratitude mm-hmm.
At any given moment, like, if welive from a place of gratitude,
we'll just have a better life.
So I start every day witha little healthy routine.
I have this work thatI'm doing the TMS mm-hmm.
Trying to sleep better.

(44:14):
I still see Dr.
Charlie.
Yeah.
It's so funny, I had, twohand surgeries, so I'm still
dealing with that a little bit.
So I'm, seeing.
My occupational therapist once a weekin Belle Meade, so I have constant
doctor's appointments and then, anotherhealth issue that I'm having looked
at That in itself can be exhausting,

Larry (44:33):
You know, as we get older, I'm noticing now, especially
with my 85-year-old neighborfriend, Larry, is that it's easy
to just put it by the wayside.
It's easy to just say, I'm notgonna deal with this today.
It's easy to say, well, I won'tmeditate today 'cause I did it yesterday
and I'll get back to it tomorrow.
Oh, my broken hand.
Ah, I can get to that laterand man, the stuff piles up.

I know.
I just, I feel like I don't have a choice.
Like if I don't take care of this shit.
Yes.
No one else is going to, I have no safety net.
Mm-hmm.
I am my own safety net.
Yeah.
I have to future proof myself and part of that is
taking care of my physical health.
Yeah.
And oh, also, um
mm-hmm.
Acupuncture.

(45:15):
Yes.
Beautiful.
So in East Nashville here, we have a community acupuncture thing.
Yes, we do.
Which acupuncture's really expensiveactually, because it's pretty amazing.
We have an affordable yes acupuncturecenter right here, sliding scale and it's

Larry (45:29):
very affordable and it's fantastic.

So that I think is helping with the sleep.

Larry (45:34):
Yes, for sure.
So

here's the thing, you go to a psychiatrist, have these treatments.
What I'm doing is I don't,is it considered holistic?
I don't know.
But

Larry (45:43):
it's help.
You're help helping yourself, right?
But

Then, you can keep piling on meds.
Like, oh, you can't sleep here, takethis, take this, take this, take this.
I'm trying to get it where I am.
Subtracting Yes.
Medications at this point, andwhether it's the PTSD or anxiety.
Yeah, whatever, like I wanna get myselfto a place that I don't need to be

(46:08):
so reliant on pharmaceutical drugs.
Yeah, absolutely.
And I don't take anythingnarcotic, just needed to say that.
And I'm not checking out.
And I'm not avoiding, this is all inthe spirit of taking care of myself.
And if I don't take care of myself

Larry (46:25):
mm-hmm.

I can't help other people.
There's no fucking way.
Yeah.

Larry (46:28):
There's no space for that.
No.
No.
And I read this morning, in my morningmeditation, I was reading Thich Nhat
Hanh, who's a Zen Buddhist master.
A little poem about arriving.
And the poem is, "I have arrived.
I am home in the, here in the now.
I'm solid.
I am free.
In the ultimate, I dwell."
Being in the here and in thenow and knowing that you are

(46:51):
home and that you have arrived.
Are you feeling more solid, thatyou are home and that it's so

funny, and I'm gonna share this, when you were reading that Yeah.
And you said the word home.

Larry (47:00):
Mm-hmm.

I felt it like.

Larry (47:03):
Me too

inside.
I felt it like in my center andit just, I was like, oh my God.
All the shit that I'm doing is actually,
yeah,
it's actually helping.
It's like, I'm, I'm home.
I'm here.
Yeah.
It's not outside myself.
It's, here.
When you said that.
It resonated inside.

Larry (47:20):
Yeah.
Well, you're doing the work and youreally are doing the work, and I really
appreciate you sharing all of this.
Really.
Thank you.
Yeah.
I have a few questions.
It's my little speed round.
Are you ready?
Oh

my God, I'm so scared.
Yeah.

Larry (47:31):
Oh, everybody always says that.
I'm like, this is the easiest part.
What Fascinates You?
Gosh, Joanna.
Basil, by the way, in case you're justtuning in now, What Fascinates You?

The human brain mm-hmm.
Is one thing.
Mm-hmm.
Travel to new places.
Yeah.
Different cultures.
It's so fascinating and I feel alittle lost without travel recently,
but, yeah, and I'm fascinatedby people like Brene Brown.
Yeah.
She studies human nature.
Yeah.
People fascinate me.

Larry (47:58):
Yeah.
That's fantastic.
What angers you?
What pisses you off?

Hmm.
Oh, I'll tell you a little story.
Yesterday there was a woman chasingsomething and it looked like a dog.
Barreling at me and my dog.
And I got worried for a moment,and then I realized it was a deer.
Why is she chasing a deer?
And as I approached her, I said,oh, I thought that was a dog.
It was a deer.
Wow.
And she said.
It's eating my neighbor's vegetablesthat are in the front yard.

(48:22):
And I was like, so put 'emin the backyard with a fence.
A garden fencing.
Yeah.
It was just the weirdest thing.
Yeah.
And then she went, we don't walk around here much then.
'cause there's deer everywhere.
I'm like, I walk twice a dayfor the last eight years.
And I see the most beautiful bucks.
Mm-hmm.
And Owls and Redtail Hawks.

(48:43):
and it's so funny 'cause it's on theblock where I feel like Snow White, I'm
always getting approached by just thisbeautiful wildlife and it just so happened
I was always on the phone with my stepdadwhen like a deer would come, a dough
would come walking up to me and the dog.
Un unflinching.
Yeah.
And here this woman is chasing deer outta well, you don't see it.
There's like millions.

(49:04):
And I've never seen thatwoman before in my life.
Oh
yeah.
And I was like, What's wrong with people?
Or the guy in the monster truckyesterday that just comes racing
up and then he is backing into thisthing and he's all sideways, like
to go running and get his Starbucks.

Larry (49:17):
Yeah.

But that's me being judgy.

Larry (49:19):
Well, what angers you?
There's not what?

Piss piss you off?
Well, all that piss just,

Larry (49:22):
what is that?

The lack of awareness.
There you go.
See, you'd be a good coach.
You just asked me the right question.
That's lack of awareness.
I just, the lack of awareness right now

Larry (49:31):
Yeah.
Is, a real killer for all of us.
Oh yeah.
Absolutely.
It's a buzzkill.
It's more than a buzzkill.
it's a buzzkill to the pointwhere you just don't even
wanna leave the house anymore.

I don't know.
If it makes me angry, it makes me hot.
Yeah.
Right.
Yeah.
And I'll tell you what, ona more personal level Yeah.
Being gaslit.

Larry (49:47):
Yeah.

I hate that.

Larry (49:48):
Yeah.
That

makes me mad.
Yeah,

Larry (49:50):
exactly.
Yeah.
Look at your, literallyyour face is red right now.
Okay.
What brings you joy?

Oh gosh.
Oh, look at that change.
So many things.
sunshine.
Mm-hmm.
Um, I did this course.
A Yale course called theScience of Wellbeing.
Wow.
And one of the things that, itwas kind of making you see what
makes you happy, like the, and itwas different categories, right?
And some of the things that I discoveredas I've evolved, right, was savoring.

(50:19):
Or like just being in the momentand savoring and noticing things.
And I noticed this morning I put bug sprayon before I go and I sit and meditate
or read in the yard because I have to.
I'm mosquito magnet.
And the feeling of the breezeand the tingle of the bug spray.
Yeah.
And I was like, oh, I love this.
And something about it remindedme of California It, I don't

(50:42):
know what it, and it was bringingme so much the stupid tingle.
Yeah.
Of the bug spray,

Larry (50:48):
the lightest hutch.

So it's the littlest things that bring me joy.
Yeah.
The dog, when she put her head on mylap yesterday, while I was sitting there
and we were winding down for the nightand I was just like having this cozy.
Beautiful little creaturejust loving on me.

Larry (51:03):
Mm.

You know?
Yeah.
It was like those things.
Yeah.

Larry (51:06):
You know, it's funny 'cause things like that happen all the time and we just
don't even notice that they're happening.
So you're, being very aware of your,of your surroundings and your moment.
Being mindful, my friend.
You are a mindful person.
I try.
If you had a magic wand andyou could change, fix anything.
I got it.
Joanna, basil here with my magic wand.
What would it be?

I'm gonna refrain for being political.

Larry (51:28):
You can be whatever you want, but,

well, I just, we talked about being divisive and I
don't want to, I don't wanna do that.
What could I fix My desire to fix things.

Larry (51:38):
Wow.
Right.

Maybe it's all just happening the way it's supposed to.

Larry (51:43):
Yeah.
Letting go.

You know, I wanted to tell you this personally.
I'm telling everybody now, right?
My grandmother used to say emphatically.
Mm-hmm.
If she believed it in all of her being, she's to say " It will all
make sense when we get to the other side."
Hmm.
And sometimes I think that's what I hang on to.

Larry (52:02):
Wow.
Fantastic.
So what did we fix with your magic wand?

I wanna fix my desire to fix things.
Yeah,

Larry (52:09):
that's perfect.
Thank you for that.
Now here's the real big one.
Toilet paper over or under?
Dude Over.
Thank you.
You know, there's a lot of nutjobs out there in this world.
Lemme tell you something here.

I have a funny story about that.
My friend Lauren, wholives in Paris now, right?
We met,

Larry (52:24):
well they probably do it under over there.

No, we met when we were in Las Vegas and she was my partner in crime.
Oh.
We were hellens.
We had a lot of fun.
It was good fun for the most part.
And, she's now married withkids and living outside Paris.
They also have a house in the countryside.
Yeah.
So they bought this estate.
So her and I used to fightabout the toilet paper.
Oh.
And she goes, I know thatyou were at my house.

(52:47):
I know you changed the toiletpaper because that's how
like OCD I would be about it.
I'm like, well, it drives me crazy,but I think I used to do it under.

Larry (52:54):
Oh, you're used to do it under, I'll

have to ask her now that we're having this conversation.
Well, I think I used to do itunder, and then I realized one day
like that doesn't make any sense.

Larry (53:02):
Joanna Basil, you have seen the light and I
appreciate you very, very much.
You know, I go into people'shouses and if it's under, I change
it just to see Do you change it?
Oh, you darn right.
I just to see if they notice it.
And I've had them on this showand they say, oh, over for sure.
And I say, you know what?
I don't mean to call you a liar onmy show, but look in your bathroom.
No, it's under.
I trust that this isover and now this show.

(53:23):
Is over.
Joanna Basil, thank you so much forbeing on the Just Keep Talking podcast.
Joanna Basil, uh, the Unrehearsed podcast.
I can't wait for more episodes.

Oh, yeah.
A long time coming.
I need to get started on that again.
Yeah,

Larry (53:37):
You don't need to fix anything.
It's all working.
You are working out exactly theway you're supposed to work out.
I really appreciate getting to know you.
You're in the music industry,you're in the wellness industry.
You are in the, I am going to take careof myself so I can take care of others.
Industry.
And for that I applaud you.
How do we find you?

All My handles at Joanna Basil.
I have a new website I'm going to launch.

Larry (54:01):
Mm-hmm.

I think that's it for now.
Great.
Stay tuned.
That's enough.
But yeah, you've mentioned the podcast,it's Unrehearsed with Joanna Basil.
Yeah.
Episodes out on all platforms.
On all the platforms.
Yeah.
Much like, I'm sure you can find this.
Podcast on all platformsthat have podcasts.

Larry (54:16):
That's right.
The Just Keep Talking Podcasts with me,Brother Love because Your Story Matters.
Thanks for tuning in, Joanna.
Basil, thank you forhaving me in your house.

Thank you for being here.

Larry (54:26):
Until next time.

Brother Love (54:27):
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(54:48):
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