May 30, 2025 • 52 mins
Have you ever felt that persistent emptiness inside—the void that no amount of success, money, or relationships seems to fill? You're not alone, and the answer might lie in reconnecting with your inner child.
In this profound conversation with Shubhangi Shukla, a women's empowerment coach from India, we explore how emotional disconnection can happen in any childhood, even materially comfortable ones. She shares her personal journey from trying to fill her void through external achievements to discovering that true healing comes from within.
Discover the three unmistakable signs that your inner child needs attention: not knowing your authentic self, becoming emotionally overwhelmed when triggered, and losing connection with your creative, playful nature. We discuss how these wounds create what Shubhangi calls an "avoidance void"—where we stack protective layers around our pain rather than processing it.
The most transformative insight? Understanding that healing is never a destination but an ongoing journey. As Shubhangi explains, "Rather than seeing it as personal development, if we see it as personal developing, I think it's a beautiful shift in awareness." Just as we wouldn't expect physical fitness after three months of exercise followed by abandoning healthy habits, our emotional wellbeing requires consistent nurturing.
We also venture into the realm of intuition and psychic abilities—gifts Shubhangi believes we all possess but often suppress. Through vulnerable sharing and practical wisdom, this episode provides a roadmap for breaking free from avoidance patterns and embracing radical self-love.
Whether you're beginning your healing journey or seeking deeper understanding of your emotional patterns, this conversation offers the compassionate guidance you need to face your shadows with love. As Shubhangi reminds us in her closing message: "When love ceases to exist, you cease to exist. So take step forwards with love."
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
How do we feel this?
Oh, my sister took my toy thatday and that just made me so
freaking angry.
Now let's talk to the sister,let's talk to you in a chat.
So, layer by layer, we go, andthat awareness is what will help
change the behavior.
And coming back to the body,going into the somatics, not the
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psychopath, not just the mind,but also the body.
Use the mind to build theawareness, but the work has to
be done by the body, because ifwe were able to do it with our
mind, we would have already doneit, but nobody taught us how to
be with our body, how to feelthat emotion.
Ladies and gentlemen, ladiesand gentlemen, you're listening
(00:46):
to Just Women Talking Shit withyour host, jacqueline Cotton.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Well, hello how are you Well?
Speaker 1 (01:04):
hello, how are you?
I'm very excited.
It's been months we've beenplanning this and finally we get
to do this.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
I know I want to say what did we do?
We scheduled a while back andthen we had to reschedule.
Is that what happened?
Yeah, well, it is.
I don't know if you can tell.
It's beautiful here where I'mat today.
It's sunny and gorgeous, whichis nice.
Remind me where you are.
You're, if my memory serves mecorrectly, you're around the
world.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Yeah, I'm in India.
It's around 8 pm for us.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
No sun, it's dark.
Well, I think that is so coolthat I get to connect with women
across the world, becausegetting the time down so that we
can both meet is alwaysinteresting, but I never really
know what's the weather likethere.
Is it dark outside right now?
So what is the weather likeover there right now?
Speaker 1 (01:58):
We are transitioning to summer.
It's not even spring anymore.
It's summer.
It's getting hot and it'sevening, so it's a bit more
relaxed, but the days aregetting warmer.
I'm not ready for that much ofsummer what does it get?
Speaker 2 (02:15):
I guess this probably sounds ignorant, but like get
pretty cool there it doesn't.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
We never have snow in the regions where I live.
India is a very diverse country.
You have all sorts of thingslike mountains and snow, but
then we have coastal areas anddeserts, and I live mostly in
the plains.
So we have winters.
We have summers A bit on theextreme, but not too much.
I've never seen snow in my life.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Never.
She said never.
Oh gosh, it is the coolestthing, let me say.
Just seeing it in person at allis just like it's magical when
you first ever get to see it.
I know when I first saw snow, Iwas like what?
Because, again, mississippiit's typically hot here and but
you've seen snow, right?
Okay, well, that was going to besome inner child stuff right
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there, which I know is somethingthat you're interested in
talking about, but I'd like foryou, shuby, to introduce
yourself.
She told me how to pronounceyour name and I'm going to let
her do that because I don't wantto mess it up.
She told me and I'm like Istill can't, I'll mess it up,
but she and I have like I stillcan't, I'll mess it up, but she
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and I have been internet friendsthrough Instagram.
I'm not sure how long now We'vekept in touch and she has some
really amazing things that areup for discussion and I can't
wait to dive in.
But first, if you will justintroduce yourself, tell us a
little bit about yourself, whatit is you're doing in the world
to make a difference, and justwhatever you got, whatever kind
of intro you got for me.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
So, for anyone who is curious about my name is
Shubhangi and, if you cannotpronounce it, I love Shubhi.
I go by Shubhi, all my internetfriends call me Shubhi and it's
cute, it's short and it's verychildlike.
Inner child work and somethingthat's very close to my heart is
inner child work and self-love,and the reason is because I
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grew up in an emotionallyunstable home.
My parents were very loving,they got me all the material
things.
We were having a verycomfortable life, but I just
felt that void within me.
I felt that emptiness and Icouldn't figure out what it was,
because when they told me allthe things they did for me, I
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thought they loved me and theydid in their own way.
But for me, to experience whatemotional love felt like, what
self-love felt like, it has beena journey.
It has been a journey of hunger, of going for the money, of
going for promotions and careerand drive, and then also finding
it in a lover, finding it in mypartner, and figuring out that
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love is not out there and I waspushed.
I don't think I wanted to go onmy spiritual journey, but I was
pushed and the universe waslike you gotta jump it, we
cannot do it over here and Itook a lot of leaps of faith and
here we are.
So, in short, I am a women'sempowerment coach and I help
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women who want to break out ofshadows of men and reclaim their
voice and be the most powerful,most authentic and the best
version of themselves.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
I love how you said the shadows of men.
That's interesting.
I feel like we should talkabout that in a little bit.
But I want to touch onsomething that you said that I
didn't know about you.
So when we think about innerchild work, trauma, stuff like
that, I share my story prettyopenly.
I think you've been followingme enough to know that it's all
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out there in the open and ifit's not out there yet, if you
ask me a question at some pointit'll get out there.
But I have nothing to hide andfor me, my inner child trauma
and the PTSD and nervous systemdisorders and whatnot, when I
talk about my childhood and howrough it was and it makes sense
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to people, oh, in the nicest waypossible, they'll say, oh, no
wonder you're so fucked up.
But then you said somethingabout your inner child and
feeling love and how yourparents bought you things, and
so it just makes me think abouthow I have some clients that
have come to me in the past andI don't have some big grand
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story of how I had this reallytough life and I often think
that I forget about that otherside because I don't know there
is, I don't want to sayprivilege, forget about that
other side, because I don't knowthere is.
I don't want to say privilegeIn my mind.
I guess, as a little girl,privileged kids couldn't have
had trauma or this inner childangst and absence of love,
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because in my mind their parentshad the nice car and got them
the things.
And come Christmas time for us,after we get back from break,
everybody had new things.
Everybody seemed happy.
But then I hear you saysomething like that and it just
gives me a whole new perceptionand perspective and also just a
lot of questions of what thatactually looks like on the other
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side of things.
How does someone recognize eventhat they have that inner child
work they need to do, if theyfeel or it looks like on paper
like they had this great life?
Speaker 1 (07:30):
you know what I mean thank you for sharing that, and
definitely there's something.
So there's so much that'scoming in for me to share.
I'll first share how we canidentify we have some inner
child work to do.
The first symptom is you don'tknow yourself, you don't know
your hobbies, you don't knowwhat your preferences are, you
don't know what your valuesystems are.
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And this often happens when wehave the people pleaser within
us, when we are trying tocompensate for the lack of love
within us from other people andwe forget our identity.
That's the first sign.
Second sign is when an emotioncomes up, you get overwhelmed,
you do not know how to dosomething and you overreact.
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You go into unhealthy patternsthat you might be able to see
later in the future, that, oh, Ishouldn't have done that, but
in the moment you don't have thetools to deal with that.
And the third sign of innerchild work is you're
disconnected from your creativeself.
You don't know how to play andhow to enjoy in life and there's
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only work.
So if we can identify thosethree core needs and say did I
lack in something?
If I did, or if something justhit as I was speaking, then
inner child work is your go-to.
It's the first thing that Iteach all of my clients You've
got to know yourself.
Let's start journaling, baby.
(08:57):
So that's very close to myheart.
The second thing that youtouched upon was the privilege.
Yes, the privilege is there,and then we're comparing two
very different things.
Now this is going to be a verytouchy topic for a lot of people
who are watching this, and thething is money.
What are our beliefs aroundmoney?
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This has nothing to do with theinner child.
Right now, we're associatingmoney with happiness, which is
not wrong.
I believe money can give us somany luxuries.
It's a beautiful energy and whenwe see in childhood someone
else getting something and beinghappy, the void that we have
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within us, the void that I wastalking about.
Even with the money, I had thatvoid.
So anyone who comes from notsuch a good materialistic
background and does not haveparents who've supported them
financially, that void is stillthere and we all feel that and
that's what brings us to theinner child healing and the work
(10:04):
that I love doing.
So it's not so much about theparents, it's not so much about
the happiness.
It's a lot of money, work.
It's a whole different thing.
But your inner child is alsoconnected with money and how you
view money and how that comesup.
And now something that I wouldlove to equate here for someone
(10:26):
who's interested how do you seeyour self-worth with money
because of those incidents thathappen?
That would be a very goodtangent to go on.
I love thought experiments, sojust giving you guys some juice.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
I'm all for the tangents.
I joke all the time I need.
When the money is all here andI'm making lots of it, there
will be a person that literallykeeps my squirrel brain intact.
No bitch, go back.
Nope, we weren't done with thatconversation because of the
tangents that.
I can go on.
However, you say a word that itjust I feel like is going to be
(11:04):
the word we talk about a lot inthis episode, and it is the word
void, because I feel like anyperson from any background, from
any walk of life, any religion,can feel that, and that is the
word that I think I didn'tunderstand is what I was feeling
for such a long time, and Icurrently still have a void.
A void will come and godepending on what stage of my
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journey I'm in, but right now myvoid is I'm trying to stuff
this void full of.
I was trying to stuff it fullwith money here recently and
clients, and really I just wantto be back out in nature.
So I'm figuring these thingsout.
But what is your mindset aroundthat whole void thing?
Is that something that it comesand goes?
Is it something that can bethere forever?
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What are your recommendationson someone who feels like they
have this void to fill, becausewhen you have a void, I know you
can make a lot of unhealthychoices and it feels like you
don't want to be alone and soyou stuff that void with.
For me it was sex, alcohol,just all the good times, and it
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just left me feeling more empty.
So thoughts around that tangentthat I just went on, I love how
open and authentic andvulnerable you are.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
I really appreciate that, jackie.
So, wow.
The way I would love to explainthis is how I view us as humans
and then go into the void.
So I consider we all are energyin a physical 3D body.
So our energy is distributed inthis beautiful 3D structure and
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when we come, we are mostlyclear.
There's a clear channel.
All of us, our energy isflowing and everything.
That's how God created us, andwhen we are in the womb up till
when we grow up, right in thismoment, there are certain things
and vibrations and differentthings that touch us and that
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disrupts the flow of energy.
So we develop energy leaks, wewe develop energetic patterns
and that's the whole.
I can go on that for hours.
In short, what happens is yourenergetic system, the clear flow
.
It gets disrupted and there'salmost, if you consider a sponge
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or something that can be moldedor clay.
So you have clay, it's supposeit has a certain structure and
you just mold it and you leaveit like that.
It has that distorted shape.
That's what happens to ourphysical and energetic body
connection that's there andsometimes it develops as
diseases on the physical frontas well.
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Very interesting tactic.
So what happens when somethinglike that hits us?
When we're not prepared,especially as kids, when we're
not prepared with the tools tohandle, we reject that energy
and there's still an imprint,but we're not able to handle
that.
So what we do is we createalmost like a boundary around it
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and we store it in ourenergetic system and every time,
something that happens whichreminds us of that.
Suppose someone had their momsay something like oh my god,
you're too much and you take toomuch of my time about in just a
moment and maybe she's a veryloving mother, but in a moment
she said that the kid, what thekid developed.
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She was like oh my God, I'm aburden, and that imprint was
there.
Now, every time someone says noto her request or she has to
ask for help, what will happen?
That imprint will get strongerand stronger.
And the way I see it is everywound that we have, every time
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it gets triggered and we don'thandle it.
There's almost like a layer.
So we have a layer and then alayer, and once we actually sit
with it, we uncover all thelayers, and that's why it takes
a long time to process and healour trauma.
But the thing that happens withall these layers is the void.
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The avoidance is actually thevoid that we all experience.
Did that make sense?
I gave you a lot there.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
No, it made sense and my brain never thought
avoidance void.
It makes perfect sense, thewhole imprint process,
everything.
And something that came to mymind when you said that was and
I brought it up to my mom herewithin the past couple of years,
but I remember this.
I would say it was a week ortwo.
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I don't know if you're familiarwith the Spice Girls, but the
Spice Girls were my shit.
Not only my shit, but my sister, our couple of other friends
that we went to this summerprogram with, and so we had this
woman who used to be acheerleader and I'll never
forget her name.
We called her Miss Annalise andshe taught us all of this
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choreography and we were upthere, spice Girl and it up.
I was so ready to perform for mymom and when I got done she
told me that I wasn't very goodand was like oh, your sister's
the dancer.
So I always, forever,throughout almost all my life up
until recently, always feltlike I was one compared to my
sister.
I was like sister who couldn'tdance and everybody talked about
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how pretty she was and I havewhat I call snaggletooth, and so
I always felt ugly duckling.
But to this day and I'm tryingto get out of it, but I realized
that I still, to this day,won't allow myself to fully
dance because of what my momsaid to me.
After all that time I preparedand I was so excited to present
to her my moves she told me Icouldn't dance, and so, as a 30,
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almost 36 year old woman, I'mstill out here.
I don't know how to dance.
I don't know what the fuck I'mdoing, and I'm trying to dance
more.
So that's kind of what it mademe think about when you said
that.
And I avoid dancing, which Iprobably really want to dance, I
probably really would like tojust dance.
So avoidance void all makesense, and the imprint thing too
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.
How so, if you know that you'reavoiding things for the person
listening, some people come tomind and some excuses come to
mind, things like I don't haveenough time, I don't have enough
money.
Or I was talking to a friendyesterday and he said that he
would love to play instrumentsand I was like oh, so then why
don't you learn?
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And he said because I don'thave time.
And I was like that's bullshit.
Everybody has time.
That's literally all we haveright now is time.
You can move some things aroundand let some things go, but
he's so conditioned to thinkthat a certain way.
And so how do you even tackleit?
How do you even tackle it?
How do you even tackle thatvoid monster?
It's so easy to avoid it, butover time it fucks you up and
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you miss out on a lot in lifetoo, from my experience.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Another beautiful thing, because a lot of my
clients, when they come to meand I give them something,
they're just like oh no, I can'tdo this.
Or they're there and they'rejust like no, I can't do this.
Or they're like they're thereand they're not talking about
anything.
And then I read them becauseI'm also psychic.
So I just read them and I'mlike and then I give them and
they were like how did you know?
Did you come into my house andyou see all this?
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And it's so funny becauseyou're not working with me,
you're gonna hide your shit.
I've got senses.
No, if you're coming, you'replaying big, and if you don't
want to play big, go home, fuckoff.
That's just like my thing.
So, leaving that aside, one ofthe things that I notice in
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avoidance and this is where Ifeel the anxious avoidance plays
a beautiful role I see them asa dance of the opposites, but
also the dance within the sameperson when we're avoiding
something, we are anxious, andwhen we are anxious, we're also
avoiding.
So it's a deeper concept.
So, for example, I gave one ofmy clients so this is a very
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interesting example I hope shewouldn't mind me sharing.
So she came to me and she wasnot saying anything much and I
said what do you want More money?
Let's read you for this one.
And she was a beautiful woman.
She had a lot of potential andwhat kept coming was, when she
was in front of me, I just keptfeeling depression.
I just felt such a bigrepulsion and I saw the green in
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your background.
It's giving me depression.
Are you a beige woman?
Are you only wearing thosecolors?
Why don't you wear red?
And when she was almost thereand I could feel like her face
was red up till here andsomething beautiful came through
my channel, which I shared withher was like you're allowed to
be disappointed in people.
And she was stunned and shedidn't say anything.
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48 hours later, she messages me.
She after the session.
She cried with her husband andshe had everything.
She got a red sweater and sheautomatically manifested a
hundred dollars out of a refundfrom three years back and I was
like see like the things thatwe're avoiding.
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They are so simple and subtle.
They are our inner child wounds.
In a sense, it's the selfintimacy that we're avoiding.
We're avoiding to see ourselves, to love ourselves.
And when I say self-love, Inever say self-love, I say
radical self-love.
And radical self-love is notjust papabas I love that shit, I
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love putting on a good perfume,I love it I'm dressed up.
But radical self-love is morethan just showing up pretty.
It's about sitting with yourshadows and looking at what
needs to be looked at.
So when we're in the avoidance,when we're avoiding that void a
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void that's there the thing thatcomes up is all the excuses
that are here, all the excusesthat our mind is giving us Don't
go there, it's scary.
And that's the time when ourinner child or the scared,
younger version of us is doingthe thing and we have to be very
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mindful in this space that.
Is this really something that Iwant to give into or do I want
to change that awareness once wedevelop that?
I'm choosing the change.
So where do I feel this?
So I do an emotional processwith my clients where I teach
them how do you feel the painand how you identify it, and we
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identify it.
So I'm feeling it in my solarplexus, I'm feeling it in my
throat.
You tell me what is somethingthat you wanted to speak in that
moment, what is something thatsomeone else spoke to you in
that moment, what reallyhappened.
So, once we start removingthese layers and because there
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are multiple layers if it's asmaller trauma, you would be
able to handle it now.
But because it's been years andyou were a kid, and all these
stacking up of layers, that'swhy you don't feel the emotion
just for 90 seconds.
You need at least 90 minutes tosit with one wound, because
there's so many layers.
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And as we dispel a layer, as welet go of a layer, maybe there's
a deeper thing underneath.
Maybe you were angry at yourdad all this time, but when you
actually looked at it, it wasyour mom, but you love your mom
more, so you're not looking ather.
Then we look at the mom andlook at what did she avoid?
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Now we were angry at mom andnow we're going oh, she compared
me to my sister.
Now we're saying now what?
Let's dig deep, let's go.
How do we feel this?
Oh, my sister took my toy thatday and that just made me so
freaking angry.
Now let's talk to the sister,let's talk to you in a chat.
So, layer by layer, we go andthat awareness is what will help
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change the behavior.
And coming back to the body,going into, into the somatics,
not the psychopath, not just themind, but also the body.
Use the mind to build theawareness, but the work has to
be done by the body, because ifwe were able to do it with our
mind, we would have already doneit.
But nobody taught us how to bewith our body, how to feel that
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emotion, did that?
Speaker 2 (23:25):
answer your question yeah and it.
So what I'm getting from it isjust one to get to the awareness
I think you have to get, becurious why.
And then, from what I take fromeverything that you said, it's
like you're saying layers, whichmakes me I don't know.
Have you ever watched Shrek themovie?
Well, Shrek and Donkey talkabout onions and how people are
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like onions and there are layersand the human in general I
think has so many layers.
But what I took away from allthat is how it's not going to be
done in a day.
You're not going to get throughthis shit in a day.
So it feels like for the personwho probably feels like they're
never going to get through this, never going to get past it.
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Just make the commitment to getto know yourself over a
lifetime is what I got from that, Because for me I got real
curious whenever I realized thatI was repeating all the same
mistakes.
My mom did that.
I swore I wouldn't being inabusive relationships and being
around toxic, just toxicity ingeneral.
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And here I was, living a toxiclife and I just will never
forget.
For me it was like thiseye-awakening moment when I
found myself as a single mom andI'm like I had nobody really to
ask for help.
I had to rely on the help ofthe community.
It made me realize in thatmoment that I don't want to be
like those before me.
They got us as far as theycould, in my opinion, but the
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way I want to be and the personI want to become and the leader
I want to become, and all Icould think about was when I die
one day, what are they going tosay about me?
How are people going toremember?
I made them feel, and in thatmoment I didn't feel like people
.
One, I didn't know many peoplewould show up and then, two,
what will they say Right now?
Not a lot of great things, andI probably didn't make people
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feel great.
So for me, that sense ofawareness only came when I got
curious.
Of the common denominator, hereis me how can I make a change?
And for me that was evolving mybrain, evolving my mind,
evolving my emotionalintelligence.
But it's been a lot of work.
So do you think that's whypeople don't?
I mean, that's why people avoid?
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It is because, almost, like itseems like the work that goes
into the self-discovery andbeing able to be comfortable in
your own skin and know that youdon't need other people or other
things or resources or money orexperiences to fill that void.
Do you think that that's why?
Because if we got intostatistics which I don't know
them, but I know that I thinkit's like.
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I guess maybe I do know somestatistics, but it's like over
60% of people admit that theyhave anxiety or depressed.
They have this anxiousness intheir lives and it's like over
60% of people admit that theyhave anxiety or depressed.
They have this anxiousness intheir lives and it's from
situations not doing the work.
People pleasing, like you saidin the beginning, just keep
trudging through whenever reallythey're not happy at all in the
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first place.
Hi, baby.
So thoughts there.
Did you see what I guess was?
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Beautiful question.
Thank you for bringing this up.
I would love to start withsharing a bit of my story.
And almost three and a halfyears back I was exactly that
person whom you described and myrock bottom and I've never
talked about this because it waslike I didn't even think about
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it as rock bottom till now.
But that was my turning point.
I was doing personaldevelopment also, but that was
when the real shift happened.
So I was in this one month whereshit was hitting the fan.
My grandfather was dying, I washaving health issues, I was on
unpaid leave from my job for amonth because it was shitty
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figuring out, I couldn't go towork.
Health is down, my grandpa isdying I have no fucking clue.
And there was one day and I washaving panic attacks and
anxiety and depression andclinically diagnosed whatnot.
It was a whole shit storm.
And one morning my brotherwakes me up and he says would
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you get mad?
Mom had an accident and someonehit her, so she went for a
morning walk and a biker dudehit her and she actually
developed a hole above her lip.
So it was morning 6.45, and I'mthinking, oh my god, what do I
do?
My dad was out of town.
So I had to figure out a plan.
I called some doctors onlineand everything.
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Somehow I took her to thistrauma center.
I came back and I felt theloneliest I'd ever felt and my
rock bottom was calling my exafter breaking up with him for
the fourth time.
Not first, not second, notthird time.
I broke up with him and then Icalled him Because I had nobody.
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I had no friends, I had nofamily members I was close to,
and then he kind of shut me offand I don't blame him.
I was a bit of a shitty momentand that was the day when I
decided I'm alone in this,nobody's coming to save me.
And then the flip happened forme.
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So there's usually in the hero'sor heroine's journey that one
incident where you hit rockbottom and then you realize
nobody's coming, and I wouldlove for people not to go
through all of that andrecognize it before, but in some
cases it's inevitable.
We have to have such a highlosing state that the numbness
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and things to stop.
I loved food and I would stuffmyself with sugar every time.
I felt emotionally depleted andI had a lot of work to do
around my food habits, aroundhow I perceived myself as well.
So that's where I have been.
So I truly deeply understandthe question.
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Yes, we go through.
Can you also repeat thequestion?
I think I lost track of whatyour question was in the story.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
I think earlier it was those ebbs and the flows of
voids, because I think thatpeople feel like like you get a
void and it comes and goes, inmy opinion, but that the entire
thing is just like a journey.
But do you think that is why somany people live in a constant
state of avoidance?
(29:42):
Because they're afraid that thework it takes to quit avoiding
it is more work than it takes toavoid it?
Does that make sense?
Because inner work is a lot ofyou said sitting with your
emotions no one's coming to saveme versus avoiding it is I'll
(30:03):
keep hanging out with thesepeople, I'll keep going to this
job that I fucking hate, I willjust do what's expected of me
because that's what society says, when the reality is is I want
something entirely different andI'm just going through the
motions to fill that void.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Yes, I now remember what I wanted to answer.
So there's a beautiful reframethat happened for me personally
was going to going personal,developing, not thinking of it
as an end result, rather thanseeing it as a continuous
process.
Even at the start of my journeytwo, three, even last year I
was thinking like I'll hit agoal and that will be it and
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that's it.
I've got it, it's done, andthat mentality was keeping me
more in trauma, even in justtrauma of achieving my goal.
Life is done.
I'm done when this happens, butwe have to see taking care of
our mental and emotional healththe way we see our physical
health.
You cannot eat good food forthree months and do exercise and
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take care of yourself and shitall of that down and expect a
good body, and you cannot thinkof doing the same thing with
your mental health.
Keep hanging out with all theshitty people and then calling
it.
Life is like this no, you havea choice.
Saying no is fucking hard, butbeing walked upon is harder and
doing it every single day feelshard because you don't have the
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tools.
Yet so we are.
When we start, we haveunconscious incompetence, which
means we don't know what wedon't know, and then we have a
bit of awareness oh, I can sayno, but how do I say that?
And there's consciousincompetence.
I don't know how the fuck do Ido this?
And then you have the tools andthe journey from being
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conscious about yourincapability to being conscious
about your capability.
That is the personal developingjourney, and once you master
doing it with some people, yourlife will get better.
And then you'll hit a newobstacle, but it may not happen
with as much rigor and forcethat it did in the first time,
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because at the beginning yourlearning is skill, but as we
grow our muscles strengthens.
It's almost like picking up adumbbell.
You may not be able to pick up5 kg or 20 kg at the start of
your journey.
You build up to 5 kgs.
Now, 5 kgs is easy, 10 kgs, 15kgs, 20 kgs, and the same goes
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for our mental and emotionalhealth.
I learned to say no.
I learned to say no to myfamily.
I learned to say no to myfriends.
I learned to say no to my bossand maybe six months down the
line there's a new boss.
I can still learn to say thatthe void and the gap is between
the conscious incompetence andthe conscious competence and the
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incapability and the capability.
That is where a lot of peopledon't want to make that
transition.
They just go back to ignoranceas bliss.
Effort is needed, yes, but oncewe shift the mindset from I
have to get this done, and Ithink that's what keeps us
trapped, because there's nolimit to it.
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There's confidence, there'sinternal feeling, but there's no
.
I cannot give you a marker whenyou have the confidence, even
someone who goes to speak onstage.
I have mentors who do that andthey still tell me that the
moment, just before speaking,they were freaked out and they
still did it.
So there's no one thing whereyou'll be all confident, you'll
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be all healed.
So, rather than seeing it aspersonal development, if we see
it as personal developing, Ithink it's a beautiful shift in
awareness and making the journeyeasier.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
I really love that shift, that perspective.
I've never thought about itthat way and that does make
total sense.
I feel like you probablyunderstand this, but I feel like
whenever I get hooked on, say,a book, or I'm speaking on
something, it tends to be atopic of conversation for the
next few days.
Has that ever happened to you?
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The universe or God is likeit's no coincidence.
I'm going to drop all thesereally obvious hints.
That's why you're hearing aboutit here and there, but our
conversation, because you neverknow how these things are going
to go right.
Give me some things you'd liketo talk about and we could see
what happens.
We shoot the shit.
But whenever I was sittingoutside the gym earlier I'm
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there before 7 am this morning,which is wonderful I was up at 4
something thinking, oh, I maygo ahead and go in, but I talked
myself out of it and as I foundmyself going live, I was just
like let's go live, baby,feeling the energy this morning
and what I spoke on was how wedon't have consistency issues
necessarily, this commitment tothe journey, to the hustle, to
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the grind I'm not saying thatit's going to be easy or simple
but to the working up so you canpick up that dumbbell.
You may look at it for thefirst few days but then might
pick it up with two arms andthat was too heavy.
So you go down a notch and workup to it, but it seems like
when I was talking about thismorning, oh shoot, it's coming
(35:23):
back at me and it just feelslike a little God wink saying
that's not a coincidence.
This was all written by thesame hand, which is another
thing that keeps coming up.
Have you read the Alchemistever?
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Oh, my God, I was thinking about it.
I'm reading it right now.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Shut up.
See, this is what I'm talkingabout.
That book has been talked aboutnot just by me but by other
people.
We've started talking about ittogether, just like, oh, I just
finished that, or that's myfavorite book.
One girl was like I got atattoo on my arm that says mock
tub and I was like what are youtrying to tell me, god?
Besides, just keep followingthe clues, enjoy the journey,
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even like self-discovery and theinner childhood trauma.
It's all a journey.
I don't know whenever.
I figured that out was when Istarted becoming, I guess,
transcending and developing, notjust looking at the books, but
actually up leveling.
So I had to share all that withyou because I was like just all
the weird little coincidences,all those signs keep popping up,
(36:24):
and it even happened in thisconversation just now.
So look for the signs, people,which has me wondering, since
we're the queens of tangents yousaid you're psychic I got to
know more about this becausethat is, I love talking about
shit like that.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
I would love to touch a bit on the Alchemist.
Oh yes, go for it.
The Alchemist is my favoritebook and that was a book I read
like it was so divinely destined.
I was in my school librarylooking for a chemistry book and
someone had placed Alchemist inthe chemistry section and I was
like what is this?
I want to take this home.
I read it in three days.
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I was just 15.
And I was like, oh my God, mybrain has opened up and it led
to my first spiritual awakening,which was not a good experience
, and I suppressed it.
There's a whole lot storybehind it.
But when you said about thealchemist, what I was thinking
was nobody promised you that itwas going to be easy In this
beginning.
Universe will give you a tasteof it, just like saying to you
(37:21):
have you read the book?
Should I spoil it?
Or you've read it?
I know I've read it, so anyonewho is afraid of spoilers,
please don't listen for twominutes.
But Santiago, when he leaves,he's shown the vision, he's
given the signs, but when he'sin it, he's being tested over
and over again.
He's tested by the thieves,he's tested by the deserts, and
even the thieves in the desert.
(37:42):
And it's so funny because wethink that it would be an easy
journey.
But nobody said it would beeasy, but it would be worth it.
So where do you go if it wasworth it?
I love fun, I love adventure.
I'm the kind of girl this isthe funniest, the craziest thing
I've done last year was I metsomeone like this through a
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Facebook group and she invitedme to her city and she said this
ritual is going on at midnight.
You come, and I actually went.
I booked a flight, I went.
I didn't know this person andshe was like she brought me to
my spiritual mother and we had awhole thing.
And I am the girl I say my lifeis a synchronicity.
(38:24):
I never use the wordcoincidence anymore.
I love synchronicity.
My life is a synchronicity andI'm living, breathing all that,
and that blends beautifully intothe psychic way, because living
in synchronicity is being aware, being open and looking at the
signs.
There are moments when I wasthinking about something.
Earlier today I was picking upthe clothes and the dragonfly
(38:46):
flew and I was like, yes, thisis the idea we're going to
execute.
Good job, big guy.
I am on the track and this hasoften happened so beautifully
for me, because there are peoplewho will talk about unicorns
and I have.
No, I don't hate unicorns orlove unicorns, but I don't
collect them or watch them.
But my cousin would send me alipstick she bought which has
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unicorn on it and I'm like Iknow I live in that realm now.
So psychic work is connectingto the divine mind.
It's connecting to the superintelligence and being able to
tap into your intuition so muchthat sometimes it's just the
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voice speaking in your head andyou're trusting.
That's what I got to do.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
I love it.
I used to be super into thewhole.
So before I switched back toJacqueline Cotton, I was
exploring this whole spiritualsupport system thing and I've
been told by many and I've hadvery several coincidences, right
Synchronicities, where I thinkeverybody has that psychic
(39:55):
ability, but anyway.
So when you said that, I waslike I got to hear about this.
So would you agree thateveryone has psychic abilities?
I do.
How do you be in theMississippi?
It's super taboo stuff likethat.
We're supposed to be readingthe Bible and it's still some
stinking thinking around here iswhat I call it.
But very, we're not supposed totalk about stuff like that and
(40:19):
you especially don't admit it ifyou think you are psychic.
But with the whole I feel likeinner child thing that we were
talking about, we can close itout with the psychic-ness,
because I feel like we were themost psychic and intuitive when
we were kids and somebody camealong and smothered that little
flame.
So what are your thoughts?
Speaker 1 (40:41):
there it can be more psychic and if you see kids and
old people, they are almostalways having a good time with
each other.
Both are slow, both are just intheir emotions and their body,
not so much in the head anymore,and that's because we are
closer to source in either ofthese life end points if I may
(41:03):
call them life points ending andthe beginning and we all have
intuition.
We all are psychic.
We may not be a psychic reader,all of us may not choose that,
but we all are inherentlyknowing and connected.
Sometimes we suppress thatknowing, sometimes we might not
like the knowing, and Idefinitely have had that
(41:27):
experience.
I shared about my relationshipand breaking up with my ex, and
I broke up with him four times.
So the fourth time was notsomething that I chose, it was
chosen for me.
And I was sitting in ameditation and I was on the open
on my terrace and it's almostlike a voice from above was
speaking to me and I have to lethim go.
(41:48):
And I was like, but no, I can't.
Oh, speaking to me and I haveto let him go.
And I was like, but no, I can't, oh, my God, I can't let him go
.
And we were playing this dancewhere he would not treat me well
.
He would bring out my anxietyand my anxious attachment and he
would play the avoidant.
So we were having this wholetoxic dance with each other.
But when I really leaned intothat intuitive knowing, I cried
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because at some level I knew itresonated.
I knew it was right.
The thing to look out for is thevoice that you're hearing in
your head.
If you let it land, if you letit be felt, do you feel a
resonance?
Do you feel like, yes, this isthe right thing.
I know this is hard, but thisis the right thing to do.
(42:34):
And I've had several of thosemoments ever since, but that was
the first time when I was likeI'm hearing a voice and that's
different for different people.
Even for me, everyone speaks tome differently and I feel like
even I am such a flavor ofintuition and psychicness.
So there are auditory people whohear.
(42:55):
I only hear when it's likereally, god, highest level of
your fucking shit up.
And this is the level one.
People like code red, priorityone.
This girl needs to be shut down.
So that's when I hear.
Otherwise, my auditory channeldoesn't work that much, mostly
for me, and I connect to someone.
I feel it in my body.
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I feel that chakra is blockedfor you and I often see visions.
So it would give me a numbermaybe your age, or a
relationship, or mother holdinga baby, or a girl sitting on a
fence or with her feet in thewater, something like that and
that would be like okay, whatare you telling me?
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And slowly, the more I share,the more the client says yeah,
that's the thing.
And the funny quirky thingabout me is something in my
human design I'm not sure if youshare about.
Do you know about human design?
You do perfect.
So in human design we have thisspleen which is a defined
center for me.
Maybe it's not a defined centerfor you, but if you have any of
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the gates, you can figure outwhich of those is your strongest
sense of intuition, which Ithink is pretty cool if someone
wants to go down that rabbithole.
I found out through one of myfriends that I have the
strongest sense of smell, but Idon't know how to use it.
I don't use that in my coachingbecause I do online coaching
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and I cannot smell my clients,and that's not a good thing to
smell your clients anyways, butfor me.
The way it shows up almost allthe time is when I'm connecting
to my divine partner and I'mstill single.
So whenever I connect to him Ihave this special smell.
And whenever I'm sad or I'mtaking a walk and I'm thinking
about him and just like thatsmell would blow past me and I
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would have no clue where it camefrom, or I would have some
smell it would remind me of amemory.
So that sense is for mepersonally, but for my clients
it's like the feeling, thevisuals.
So it's a beautiful mix and weall can access it in our own
unique flavor.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
We'll have to do a whole different episode for the
whole psychic thing, because Iam genuinely interested in
picking your brain more on this,but we're about out of time.
I am curious, though throughoutthis entire thing, did you did
anything come through in regardsto me?
Speaker 1 (45:20):
Your solar plexus.
What's that mean?
Speaker 2 (45:23):
What am I doing with it?
Because I feel like that isblocked.
Speaker 1 (45:27):
because Tell me what do you know?
It's almost like there's thisconnection in your throat.
It's like something you'rewanting to say, but it's coming
out of powerlessness.
It's almost like a child sayinginstead of an adult speaking,
and that's coming from a Notsmall in the sense that it's not
.
It's almost like I can feel itnow In a solar plexus.
(45:50):
It's almost like someone hasslit your tummy open, going at
the front of you, almost likesomeone's ripping it apart.
I'm gutted.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
This makes sense.
This makes total sense.
Yeah, no, that makes sense.
I was just curious.
Let her tell me something justfor that confirmation.
Did you get the confirmation?
I got some confirmation?
Yeah, was just curious.
Let her tell me something, justfor that confirmation and thank
you for that confirmation.
I got some confirmation.
Yeah, thank you for that.
Oh man, this has been good.
I do feel like we could talkfor a very long time, though,
(46:21):
and I told myself this is theyear, jacqueline, this is the
year we stick to time frames andall the things.
So we're at the end of our time, and I just wanted to one.
Thank you for taking the timebecause I know it's nighttime
there to sit with me and to chatwith me and shoot the shit.
I've really been lookingforward to it.
We've only gotten to talkthrough the DMs so far, so this
(46:44):
has been really wonderful.
Two you are a beautiful human,both outside looking in, and was
it you who I chatted withthrough comments, talking about
a perfect date?
Oh, that was me.
Was that you?
I want that date so bad.
When you described it, I waslike how the fuck does she?
Speaker 1 (47:08):
know this.
Oh my god, that's my dream ifsomeone gives that to me, I'm
like I'm sold marry me.
Speaker 2 (47:14):
It was so good and I remember it wasn't it just so
simple going for a walk, readingpoetry, just the simple things
too.
But this has been so, sorefreshing to get to see you and
hear you, and I just wanted toknow a couple more things.
I always part with what's onyour heart.
I don't know where I came upwith that shit, but it's
sticking.
So if you have any final wordsof wisdom, anything that you
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didn't get to share when we werechatting that you want to share
with everybody now, just somelast words to get them through
that person who might bestruggling, and then if you will
share how everyone can find youin the online space and any
offers that you might have goingon right now.
Speaker 1 (47:55):
When you were speaking, I got this beautiful
download and it said when loveceases to exist, you cease to
exist, and that was beautiful.
So take step forwards with love.
Go with love.
Flow with love, lead with love.
Let go with love.
Forwards with love.
Go with love.
Flow with love, lead with love.
Let go with love.
Love with love and love likelove, with a lot of love in your
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heart, because I feel like I'msuch a loving person.
I think I love love and that'sthe message I want to leave and
that I want to lead as my legacy.
Second thing you can alwaysfind me on instagram.
I am shubhangi coach.
I'm pretty sure there'll be alink if people cannot pronounce
my name so you can always findme through the link.
(48:38):
I'm on instagram.
Come say hi, let me know whatyour biggest download was.
Let me know if you got anychills listening to this,
because I love the psychics andintuitors who get the chills and
the chill, girly.
So please let us know and shareon your stories like how the
episode went, and I would loveto explore more on inner child
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intuition and self-love with you.
If you're curious about that, Ihave a beautiful offering that
works on this trifecta and wework with your inner child and
your inner psychic, both at thesame time, to help you reclaim
your voice, to help you step outof the shadows of men and being
the most powerful, self-ledwoman that you can be in this
(49:22):
lifetime, and we could do itthrough one-on-one coaching and
there's a lot of learningmodules as well.
So you're gonna enjoy your timewith me.
If you enjoy the podcast,that's gonna be like even more
delicious, lovelier, like a cakewith multiple layers.
You've not even touched a layer, so when you come, I love what
I do.
Speaker 2 (49:42):
I can tell it definitely shows and, like you,
definitely radiate love.
Isn't it funny that that's thedownload that came through for
you and in the Alchemist from.
What I drew from that text wasthat is the universal language,
that is, the world's language islove.
So I love that you ended withthat.
That's so good.
(50:04):
All right, thank you again forbeing on.
You guys, go find her, followher, buy her things, travel
around the world to meet her ifyou get the opportunity.
I've always wanted to visitjust.
I want to see all the world.
I want to be like santiago andI want to go with my sheep and
(50:25):
go find my personal legend.
It sounds like such a trip.
I don't want to get robbed.
He got robbed a lot, so I don'twant that part.
But go follow her.
Thank you again for being on.
Just Women Talking Shit.
I'm glad that we finally got tomake it happen.
I think that it was supposed tohappen right now, not back then
when we tried scheduling.
Oh, definitely.
Speaker 1 (50:45):
I don't think now.
And then Last three minutes Isaid Last, Definitely the energy
now.
And then Last three minutes Isaid last three months were
almost me, in a completelydifferent headspace and timeline
.
So I'm really glad it happenedexactly when it's happening.
The reading alchemist I'mreading alchemist, we're talking
shade and thank you so much forhaving me, Thank you so much
for inviting me and just givingme one of the best hours of my
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life.
So thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (51:14):
One of the best hours of my life.
So thank you so much.
One of the best hours of yourlife.
God, you have a way with wordsand that makes me feel so
appreciated and seen and heard.
So thank you for that so much.
Follow the Synchronicities,people.
You can find your peopleliterally around the world, but
I think it's just just puttingyourself out there, wouldn't you
agree?
You really do.
Thank you again.
I'll talk to you soon.
Bye.
How do we feel this?
Oh, my sister took my toy thatday and that just made me so
freaking angry.
Now let's talk to the sister,let's talk to you in a chat.
So, layer by layer, we go, andthat awareness is what will help
change the behavior.
And coming back to the body,going into the somatics, not the
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psychopath, not just the mind,but also the body.
Use the mind to build theawareness, but the work has to
be done by the body, because ifwe were able to do it with our
mind, we would have already doneit, but nobody taught us how to
be with our body, how to feelthat emotion.
Ladies and gentlemen, ladiesand gentlemen, you're listening
(00:46):
to Just Women Talking Shit withyour host, jacqueline Cotton.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Well, hello how are you Well?
Speaker 1 (01:04):
hello, how are you?
I'm very excited.
It's been months we've beenplanning this and finally we get
to do this.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
I know I want to say what did we do?
We scheduled a while back andthen we had to reschedule.
Is that what happened?
Yeah, well, it is.
I don't know if you can tell.
It's beautiful here where I'mat today.
It's sunny and gorgeous, whichis nice.
Remind me where you are.
You're, if my memory serves mecorrectly, you're around the
world.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Yeah, I'm in India.
It's around 8 pm for us.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
No sun, it's dark.
Well, I think that is so coolthat I get to connect with women
across the world, becausegetting the time down so that we
can both meet is alwaysinteresting, but I never really
know what's the weather likethere.
Is it dark outside right now?
So what is the weather likeover there right now?
Speaker 1 (01:58):
We are transitioning to summer.
It's not even spring anymore.
It's summer.
It's getting hot and it'sevening, so it's a bit more
relaxed, but the days aregetting warmer.
I'm not ready for that much ofsummer what does it get?
Speaker 2 (02:15):
I guess this probably sounds ignorant, but like get
pretty cool there it doesn't.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
We never have snow in the regions where I live.
India is a very diverse country.
You have all sorts of thingslike mountains and snow, but
then we have coastal areas anddeserts, and I live mostly in
the plains.
So we have winters.
We have summers A bit on theextreme, but not too much.
I've never seen snow in my life.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Never.
She said never.
Oh gosh, it is the coolestthing, let me say.
Just seeing it in person at allis just like it's magical when
you first ever get to see it.
I know when I first saw snow, Iwas like what?
Because, again, mississippiit's typically hot here and but
you've seen snow, right?
Okay, well, that was going to besome inner child stuff right
(03:07):
there, which I know is somethingthat you're interested in
talking about, but I'd like foryou, shuby, to introduce
yourself.
She told me how to pronounceyour name and I'm going to let
her do that because I don't wantto mess it up.
She told me and I'm like Istill can't, I'll mess it up,
but she and I have like I stillcan't, I'll mess it up, but she
(03:31):
and I have been internet friendsthrough Instagram.
I'm not sure how long now We'vekept in touch and she has some
really amazing things that areup for discussion and I can't
wait to dive in.
But first, if you will justintroduce yourself, tell us a
little bit about yourself, whatit is you're doing in the world
to make a difference, and justwhatever you got, whatever kind
of intro you got for me.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
So, for anyone who is curious about my name is
Shubhangi and, if you cannotpronounce it, I love Shubhi.
I go by Shubhi, all my internetfriends call me Shubhi and it's
cute, it's short and it's verychildlike.
Inner child work and somethingthat's very close to my heart is
inner child work and self-love,and the reason is because I
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grew up in an emotionallyunstable home.
My parents were very loving,they got me all the material
things.
We were having a verycomfortable life, but I just
felt that void within me.
I felt that emptiness and Icouldn't figure out what it was,
because when they told me allthe things they did for me, I
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thought they loved me and theydid in their own way.
But for me, to experience whatemotional love felt like, what
self-love felt like, it has beena journey.
It has been a journey of hunger, of going for the money, of
going for promotions and careerand drive, and then also finding
it in a lover, finding it in mypartner, and figuring out that
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love is not out there and I waspushed.
I don't think I wanted to go onmy spiritual journey, but I was
pushed and the universe waslike you gotta jump it, we
cannot do it over here and Itook a lot of leaps of faith and
here we are.
So, in short, I am a women'sempowerment coach and I help
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women who want to break out ofshadows of men and reclaim their
voice and be the most powerful,most authentic and the best
version of themselves.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
I love how you said the shadows of men.
That's interesting.
I feel like we should talkabout that in a little bit.
But I want to touch onsomething that you said that I
didn't know about you.
So when we think about innerchild work, trauma, stuff like
that, I share my story prettyopenly.
I think you've been followingme enough to know that it's all
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out there in the open and ifit's not out there yet, if you
ask me a question at some pointit'll get out there.
But I have nothing to hide andfor me, my inner child trauma
and the PTSD and nervous systemdisorders and whatnot, when I
talk about my childhood and howrough it was and it makes sense
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to people, oh, in the nicest waypossible, they'll say, oh, no
wonder you're so fucked up.
But then you said somethingabout your inner child and
feeling love and how yourparents bought you things, and
so it just makes me think abouthow I have some clients that
have come to me in the past andI don't have some big grand
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story of how I had this reallytough life and I often think
that I forget about that otherside because I don't know there
is, I don't want to sayprivilege, forget about that
other side, because I don't knowthere is.
I don't want to say privilegeIn my mind.
I guess, as a little girl,privileged kids couldn't have
had trauma or this inner childangst and absence of love,
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because in my mind their parentshad the nice car and got them
the things.
And come Christmas time for us,after we get back from break,
everybody had new things.
Everybody seemed happy.
But then I hear you saysomething like that and it just
gives me a whole new perceptionand perspective and also just a
lot of questions of what thatactually looks like on the other
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side of things.
How does someone recognize eventhat they have that inner child
work they need to do, if theyfeel or it looks like on paper
like they had this great life?
Speaker 1 (07:30):
you know what I mean thank you for sharing that, and
definitely there's something.
So there's so much that'scoming in for me to share.
I'll first share how we canidentify we have some inner
child work to do.
The first symptom is you don'tknow yourself, you don't know
your hobbies, you don't knowwhat your preferences are, you
don't know what your valuesystems are.
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And this often happens when wehave the people pleaser within
us, when we are trying tocompensate for the lack of love
within us from other people andwe forget our identity.
That's the first sign.
Second sign is when an emotioncomes up, you get overwhelmed,
you do not know how to dosomething and you overreact.
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You go into unhealthy patternsthat you might be able to see
later in the future, that, oh, Ishouldn't have done that, but
in the moment you don't have thetools to deal with that.
And the third sign of innerchild work is you're
disconnected from your creativeself.
You don't know how to play andhow to enjoy in life and there's
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only work.
So if we can identify thosethree core needs and say did I
lack in something?
If I did, or if something justhit as I was speaking, then
inner child work is your go-to.
It's the first thing that Iteach all of my clients You've
got to know yourself.
Let's start journaling, baby.
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So that's very close to myheart.
The second thing that youtouched upon was the privilege.
Yes, the privilege is there,and then we're comparing two
very different things.
Now this is going to be a verytouchy topic for a lot of people
who are watching this, and thething is money.
What are our beliefs aroundmoney?
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This has nothing to do with theinner child.
Right now, we're associatingmoney with happiness, which is
not wrong.
I believe money can give us somany luxuries.
It's a beautiful energy and whenwe see in childhood someone
else getting something and beinghappy, the void that we have
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within us, the void that I wastalking about.
Even with the money, I had thatvoid.
So anyone who comes from notsuch a good materialistic
background and does not haveparents who've supported them
financially, that void is stillthere and we all feel that and
that's what brings us to theinner child healing and the work
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that I love doing.
So it's not so much about theparents, it's not so much about
the happiness.
It's a lot of money, work.
It's a whole different thing.
But your inner child is alsoconnected with money and how you
view money and how that comesup.
And now something that I wouldlove to equate here for someone
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who's interested how do you seeyour self-worth with money
because of those incidents thathappen?
That would be a very goodtangent to go on.
I love thought experiments, sojust giving you guys some juice.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
I'm all for the tangents.
I joke all the time I need.
When the money is all here andI'm making lots of it, there
will be a person that literallykeeps my squirrel brain intact.
No bitch, go back.
Nope, we weren't done with thatconversation because of the
tangents that.
I can go on.
However, you say a word that itjust I feel like is going to be
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the word we talk about a lot inthis episode, and it is the word
void, because I feel like anyperson from any background, from
any walk of life, any religion,can feel that, and that is the
word that I think I didn'tunderstand is what I was feeling
for such a long time, and Icurrently still have a void.
A void will come and godepending on what stage of my
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journey I'm in, but right now myvoid is I'm trying to stuff
this void full of.
I was trying to stuff it fullwith money here recently and
clients, and really I just wantto be back out in nature.
So I'm figuring these thingsout.
But what is your mindset aroundthat whole void thing?
Is that something that it comesand goes?
Is it something that can bethere forever?
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What are your recommendationson someone who feels like they
have this void to fill, becausewhen you have a void, I know you
can make a lot of unhealthychoices and it feels like you
don't want to be alone and soyou stuff that void with.
For me it was sex, alcohol,just all the good times, and it
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just left me feeling more empty.
So thoughts around that tangentthat I just went on, I love how
open and authentic andvulnerable you are.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
I really appreciate that, jackie.
So, wow.
The way I would love to explainthis is how I view us as humans
and then go into the void.
So I consider we all are energyin a physical 3D body.
So our energy is distributed inthis beautiful 3D structure and
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when we come, we are mostlyclear.
There's a clear channel.
All of us, our energy isflowing and everything.
That's how God created us, andwhen we are in the womb up till
when we grow up, right in thismoment, there are certain things
and vibrations and differentthings that touch us and that
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disrupts the flow of energy.
So we develop energy leaks, wewe develop energetic patterns
and that's the whole.
I can go on that for hours.
In short, what happens is yourenergetic system, the clear flow
.
It gets disrupted and there'salmost, if you consider a sponge
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or something that can be moldedor clay.
So you have clay, it's supposeit has a certain structure and
you just mold it and you leaveit like that.
It has that distorted shape.
That's what happens to ourphysical and energetic body
connection that's there andsometimes it develops as
diseases on the physical frontas well.
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Very interesting tactic.
So what happens when somethinglike that hits us?
When we're not prepared,especially as kids, when we're
not prepared with the tools tohandle, we reject that energy
and there's still an imprint,but we're not able to handle
that.
So what we do is we createalmost like a boundary around it
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and we store it in ourenergetic system and every time,
something that happens whichreminds us of that.
Suppose someone had their momsay something like oh my god,
you're too much and you take toomuch of my time about in just a
moment and maybe she's a veryloving mother, but in a moment
she said that the kid, what thekid developed.
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She was like oh my God, I'm aburden, and that imprint was
there.
Now, every time someone says noto her request or she has to
ask for help, what will happen?
That imprint will get strongerand stronger.
And the way I see it is everywound that we have, every time
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it gets triggered and we don'thandle it.
There's almost like a layer.
So we have a layer and then alayer, and once we actually sit
with it, we uncover all thelayers, and that's why it takes
a long time to process and healour trauma.
But the thing that happens withall these layers is the void.
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The avoidance is actually thevoid that we all experience.
Did that make sense?
I gave you a lot there.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
No, it made sense and my brain never thought
avoidance void.
It makes perfect sense, thewhole imprint process,
everything.
And something that came to mymind when you said that was and
I brought it up to my mom herewithin the past couple of years,
but I remember this.
I would say it was a week ortwo.
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I don't know if you're familiarwith the Spice Girls, but the
Spice Girls were my shit.
Not only my shit, but my sister, our couple of other friends
that we went to this summerprogram with, and so we had this
woman who used to be acheerleader and I'll never
forget her name.
We called her Miss Annalise andshe taught us all of this
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choreography and we were upthere, spice Girl and it up.
I was so ready to perform for mymom and when I got done she
told me that I wasn't very goodand was like oh, your sister's
the dancer.
So I always, forever,throughout almost all my life up
until recently, always feltlike I was one compared to my
sister.
I was like sister who couldn'tdance and everybody talked about
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how pretty she was and I havewhat I call snaggletooth, and so
I always felt ugly duckling.
But to this day and I'm tryingto get out of it, but I realized
that I still, to this day,won't allow myself to fully
dance because of what my momsaid to me.
After all that time I preparedand I was so excited to present
to her my moves she told me Icouldn't dance, and so, as a 30,
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almost 36 year old woman, I'mstill out here.
I don't know how to dance.
I don't know what the fuck I'mdoing, and I'm trying to dance
more.
So that's kind of what it mademe think about when you said
that.
And I avoid dancing, which Iprobably really want to dance, I
probably really would like tojust dance.
So avoidance void all makesense, and the imprint thing too
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.
How so, if you know that you'reavoiding things for the person
listening, some people come tomind and some excuses come to
mind, things like I don't haveenough time, I don't have enough
money.
Or I was talking to a friendyesterday and he said that he
would love to play instrumentsand I was like oh, so then why
don't you learn?
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And he said because I don'thave time.
And I was like that's bullshit.
Everybody has time.
That's literally all we haveright now is time.
You can move some things aroundand let some things go, but
he's so conditioned to thinkthat a certain way.
And so how do you even tackleit?
How do you even tackle it?
How do you even tackle thatvoid monster?
It's so easy to avoid it, butover time it fucks you up and
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you miss out on a lot in lifetoo, from my experience.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Another beautiful thing, because a lot of my
clients, when they come to meand I give them something,
they're just like oh no, I can'tdo this.
Or they're there and they'rejust like no, I can't do this.
Or they're like they're thereand they're not talking about
anything.
And then I read them becauseI'm also psychic.
So I just read them and I'mlike and then I give them and
they were like how did you know?
Did you come into my house andyou see all this?
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And it's so funny becauseyou're not working with me,
you're gonna hide your shit.
I've got senses.
No, if you're coming, you'replaying big, and if you don't
want to play big, go home, fuckoff.
That's just like my thing.
So, leaving that aside, one ofthe things that I notice in
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avoidance and this is where Ifeel the anxious avoidance plays
a beautiful role I see them asa dance of the opposites, but
also the dance within the sameperson when we're avoiding
something, we are anxious, andwhen we are anxious, we're also
avoiding.
So it's a deeper concept.
So, for example, I gave one ofmy clients so this is a very
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interesting example I hope shewouldn't mind me sharing.
So she came to me and she wasnot saying anything much and I
said what do you want More money?
Let's read you for this one.
And she was a beautiful woman.
She had a lot of potential andwhat kept coming was, when she
was in front of me, I just keptfeeling depression.
I just felt such a bigrepulsion and I saw the green in
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your background.
It's giving me depression.
Are you a beige woman?
Are you only wearing thosecolors?
Why don't you wear red?
And when she was almost thereand I could feel like her face
was red up till here andsomething beautiful came through
my channel, which I shared withher was like you're allowed to
be disappointed in people.
And she was stunned and shedidn't say anything.
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48 hours later, she messages me.
She after the session.
She cried with her husband andshe had everything.
She got a red sweater and sheautomatically manifested a
hundred dollars out of a refundfrom three years back and I was
like see like the things thatwe're avoiding.
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They are so simple and subtle.
They are our inner child wounds.
In a sense, it's the selfintimacy that we're avoiding.
We're avoiding to see ourselves, to love ourselves.
And when I say self-love, Inever say self-love, I say
radical self-love.
And radical self-love is notjust papabas I love that shit, I
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love putting on a good perfume,I love it I'm dressed up.
But radical self-love is morethan just showing up pretty.
It's about sitting with yourshadows and looking at what
needs to be looked at.
So when we're in the avoidance,when we're avoiding that void a
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void that's there the thing thatcomes up is all the excuses
that are here, all the excusesthat our mind is giving us Don't
go there, it's scary.
And that's the time when ourinner child or the scared,
younger version of us is doingthe thing and we have to be very
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mindful in this space that.
Is this really something that Iwant to give into or do I want
to change that awareness once wedevelop that?
I'm choosing the change.
So where do I feel this?
So I do an emotional processwith my clients where I teach
them how do you feel the painand how you identify it, and we
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identify it.
So I'm feeling it in my solarplexus, I'm feeling it in my
throat.
You tell me what is somethingthat you wanted to speak in that
moment, what is something thatsomeone else spoke to you in
that moment, what reallyhappened.
So, once we start removingthese layers and because there
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are multiple layers if it's asmaller trauma, you would be
able to handle it now.
But because it's been years andyou were a kid, and all these
stacking up of layers, that'swhy you don't feel the emotion
just for 90 seconds.
You need at least 90 minutes tosit with one wound, because
there's so many layers.
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And as we dispel a layer, as welet go of a layer, maybe there's
a deeper thing underneath.
Maybe you were angry at yourdad all this time, but when you
actually looked at it, it wasyour mom, but you love your mom
more, so you're not looking ather.
Then we look at the mom andlook at what did she avoid?
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Now we were angry at mom andnow we're going oh, she compared
me to my sister.
Now we're saying now what?
Let's dig deep, let's go.
How do we feel this?
Oh, my sister took my toy thatday and that just made me so
freaking angry.
Now let's talk to the sister,let's talk to you in a chat.
So, layer by layer, we go andthat awareness is what will help
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change the behavior.
And coming back to the body,going into, into the somatics,
not the psychopath, not just themind, but also the body.
Use the mind to build theawareness, but the work has to
be done by the body, because ifwe were able to do it with our
mind, we would have already doneit.
But nobody taught us how to bewith our body, how to feel that
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emotion, did that?
Speaker 2 (23:25):
answer your question yeah and it.
So what I'm getting from it isjust one to get to the awareness
I think you have to get, becurious why.
And then, from what I take fromeverything that you said, it's
like you're saying layers, whichmakes me I don't know.
Have you ever watched Shrek themovie?
Well, Shrek and Donkey talkabout onions and how people are
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like onions and there are layersand the human in general I
think has so many layers.
But what I took away from allthat is how it's not going to be
done in a day.
You're not going to get throughthis shit in a day.
So it feels like for the personwho probably feels like they're
never going to get through this, never going to get past it.
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Just make the commitment to getto know yourself over a
lifetime is what I got from that, Because for me I got real
curious whenever I realized thatI was repeating all the same
mistakes.
My mom did that.
I swore I wouldn't being inabusive relationships and being
around toxic, just toxicity ingeneral.
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And here I was, living a toxiclife and I just will never
forget.
For me it was like thiseye-awakening moment when I
found myself as a single mom andI'm like I had nobody really to
ask for help.
I had to rely on the help ofthe community.
It made me realize in thatmoment that I don't want to be
like those before me.
They got us as far as theycould, in my opinion, but the
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way I want to be and the personI want to become and the leader
I want to become, and all Icould think about was when I die
one day, what are they going tosay about me?
How are people going toremember?
I made them feel, and in thatmoment I didn't feel like people
.
One, I didn't know many peoplewould show up and then, two,
what will they say Right now?
Not a lot of great things, andI probably didn't make people
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feel great.
So for me, that sense ofawareness only came when I got
curious.
Of the common denominator, hereis me how can I make a change?
And for me that was evolving mybrain, evolving my mind,
evolving my emotionalintelligence.
But it's been a lot of work.
So do you think that's whypeople don't?
I mean, that's why people avoid?
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It is because, almost, like itseems like the work that goes
into the self-discovery andbeing able to be comfortable in
your own skin and know that youdon't need other people or other
things or resources or money orexperiences to fill that void.
Do you think that that's why?
Because if we got intostatistics which I don't know
them, but I know that I thinkit's like.
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I guess maybe I do know somestatistics, but it's like over
60% of people admit that theyhave anxiety or depressed.
They have this anxiousness intheir lives and it's like over
60% of people admit that theyhave anxiety or depressed.
They have this anxiousness intheir lives and it's from
situations not doing the work.
People pleasing, like you saidin the beginning, just keep
trudging through whenever reallythey're not happy at all in the
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first place.
Hi, baby.
So thoughts there.
Did you see what I guess was?
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Beautiful question.
Thank you for bringing this up.
I would love to start withsharing a bit of my story.
And almost three and a halfyears back I was exactly that
person whom you described and myrock bottom and I've never
talked about this because it waslike I didn't even think about
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it as rock bottom till now.
But that was my turning point.
I was doing personaldevelopment also, but that was
when the real shift happened.
So I was in this one month whereshit was hitting the fan.
My grandfather was dying, I washaving health issues, I was on
unpaid leave from my job for amonth because it was shitty
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figuring out, I couldn't go towork.
Health is down, my grandpa isdying I have no fucking clue.
And there was one day and I washaving panic attacks and
anxiety and depression andclinically diagnosed whatnot.
It was a whole shit storm.
And one morning my brotherwakes me up and he says would
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you get mad?
Mom had an accident and someonehit her, so she went for a
morning walk and a biker dudehit her and she actually
developed a hole above her lip.
So it was morning 6.45, and I'mthinking, oh my god, what do I
do?
My dad was out of town.
So I had to figure out a plan.
I called some doctors onlineand everything.
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Somehow I took her to thistrauma center.
I came back and I felt theloneliest I'd ever felt and my
rock bottom was calling my exafter breaking up with him for
the fourth time.
Not first, not second, notthird time.
I broke up with him and then Icalled him Because I had nobody.
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I had no friends, I had nofamily members I was close to,
and then he kind of shut me offand I don't blame him.
I was a bit of a shitty momentand that was the day when I
decided I'm alone in this,nobody's coming to save me.
And then the flip happened forme.
(28:28):
So there's usually in the hero'sor heroine's journey that one
incident where you hit rockbottom and then you realize
nobody's coming, and I wouldlove for people not to go
through all of that andrecognize it before, but in some
cases it's inevitable.
We have to have such a highlosing state that the numbness
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and things to stop.
I loved food and I would stuffmyself with sugar every time.
I felt emotionally depleted andI had a lot of work to do
around my food habits, aroundhow I perceived myself as well.
So that's where I have been.
So I truly deeply understandthe question.
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Yes, we go through.
Can you also repeat thequestion?
I think I lost track of whatyour question was in the story.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
I think earlier it was those ebbs and the flows of
voids, because I think thatpeople feel like like you get a
void and it comes and goes, inmy opinion, but that the entire
thing is just like a journey.
But do you think that is why somany people live in a constant
state of avoidance?
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Because they're afraid that thework it takes to quit avoiding
it is more work than it takes toavoid it?
Does that make sense?
Because inner work is a lot ofyou said sitting with your
emotions no one's coming to saveme versus avoiding it is I'll
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keep hanging out with thesepeople, I'll keep going to this
job that I fucking hate, I willjust do what's expected of me
because that's what society says, when the reality is is I want
something entirely different andI'm just going through the
motions to fill that void.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Yes, I now remember what I wanted to answer.
So there's a beautiful reframethat happened for me personally
was going to going personal,developing, not thinking of it
as an end result, rather thanseeing it as a continuous
process.
Even at the start of my journeytwo, three, even last year I
was thinking like I'll hit agoal and that will be it and
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that's it.
I've got it, it's done, andthat mentality was keeping me
more in trauma, even in justtrauma of achieving my goal.
Life is done.
I'm done when this happens, butwe have to see taking care of
our mental and emotional healththe way we see our physical
health.
You cannot eat good food forthree months and do exercise and
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take care of yourself and shitall of that down and expect a
good body, and you cannot thinkof doing the same thing with
your mental health.
Keep hanging out with all theshitty people and then calling
it.
Life is like this no, you havea choice.
Saying no is fucking hard, butbeing walked upon is harder and
doing it every single day feelshard because you don't have the
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tools.
Yet so we are.
When we start, we haveunconscious incompetence, which
means we don't know what wedon't know, and then we have a
bit of awareness oh, I can sayno, but how do I say that?
And there's consciousincompetence.
I don't know how the fuck do Ido this?
And then you have the tools andthe journey from being
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conscious about yourincapability to being conscious
about your capability.
That is the personal developingjourney, and once you master
doing it with some people, yourlife will get better.
And then you'll hit a newobstacle, but it may not happen
with as much rigor and forcethat it did in the first time,
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because at the beginning yourlearning is skill, but as we
grow our muscles strengthens.
It's almost like picking up adumbbell.
You may not be able to pick up5 kg or 20 kg at the start of
your journey.
You build up to 5 kgs.
Now, 5 kgs is easy, 10 kgs, 15kgs, 20 kgs, and the same goes
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for our mental and emotionalhealth.
I learned to say no.
I learned to say no to myfamily.
I learned to say no to myfriends.
I learned to say no to my bossand maybe six months down the
line there's a new boss.
I can still learn to say thatthe void and the gap is between
the conscious incompetence andthe conscious competence and the
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incapability and the capability.
That is where a lot of peopledon't want to make that
transition.
They just go back to ignoranceas bliss.
Effort is needed, yes, but oncewe shift the mindset from I
have to get this done, and Ithink that's what keeps us
trapped, because there's nolimit to it.
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There's confidence, there'sinternal feeling, but there's no
.
I cannot give you a marker whenyou have the confidence, even
someone who goes to speak onstage.
I have mentors who do that andthey still tell me that the
moment, just before speaking,they were freaked out and they
still did it.
So there's no one thing whereyou'll be all confident, you'll
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be all healed.
So, rather than seeing it aspersonal development, if we see
it as personal developing, Ithink it's a beautiful shift in
awareness and making the journeyeasier.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
I really love that shift, that perspective.
I've never thought about itthat way and that does make
total sense.
I feel like you probablyunderstand this, but I feel like
whenever I get hooked on, say,a book, or I'm speaking on
something, it tends to be atopic of conversation for the
next few days.
Has that ever happened to you?
(34:18):
The universe or God is likeit's no coincidence.
I'm going to drop all thesereally obvious hints.
That's why you're hearing aboutit here and there, but our
conversation, because you neverknow how these things are going
to go right.
Give me some things you'd liketo talk about and we could see
what happens.
We shoot the shit.
But whenever I was sittingoutside the gym earlier I'm
(34:40):
there before 7 am this morning,which is wonderful I was up at 4
something thinking, oh, I maygo ahead and go in, but I talked
myself out of it and as I foundmyself going live, I was just
like let's go live, baby,feeling the energy this morning
and what I spoke on was how wedon't have consistency issues
necessarily, this commitment tothe journey, to the hustle, to
(35:02):
the grind I'm not saying thatit's going to be easy or simple
but to the working up so you canpick up that dumbbell.
You may look at it for thefirst few days but then might
pick it up with two arms andthat was too heavy.
So you go down a notch and workup to it, but it seems like
when I was talking about thismorning, oh shoot, it's coming
(35:23):
back at me and it just feelslike a little God wink saying
that's not a coincidence.
This was all written by thesame hand, which is another
thing that keeps coming up.
Have you read the Alchemistever?
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Oh, my God, I was thinking about it.
I'm reading it right now.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Shut up.
See, this is what I'm talkingabout.
That book has been talked aboutnot just by me but by other
people.
We've started talking about ittogether, just like, oh, I just
finished that, or that's myfavorite book.
One girl was like I got atattoo on my arm that says mock
tub and I was like what are youtrying to tell me, god?
Besides, just keep followingthe clues, enjoy the journey,
(36:03):
even like self-discovery and theinner childhood trauma.
It's all a journey.
I don't know whenever.
I figured that out was when Istarted becoming, I guess,
transcending and developing, notjust looking at the books, but
actually up leveling.
So I had to share all that withyou because I was like just all
the weird little coincidences,all those signs keep popping up,
(36:24):
and it even happened in thisconversation just now.
So look for the signs, people,which has me wondering, since
we're the queens of tangents yousaid you're psychic I got to
know more about this becausethat is, I love talking about
shit like that.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
I would love to touch a bit on the Alchemist.
Oh yes, go for it.
The Alchemist is my favoritebook and that was a book I read
like it was so divinely destined.
I was in my school librarylooking for a chemistry book and
someone had placed Alchemist inthe chemistry section and I was
like what is this?
I want to take this home.
I read it in three days.
(36:59):
I was just 15.
And I was like, oh my God, mybrain has opened up and it led
to my first spiritual awakening,which was not a good experience
, and I suppressed it.
There's a whole lot storybehind it.
But when you said about thealchemist, what I was thinking
was nobody promised you that itwas going to be easy In this
beginning.
Universe will give you a tasteof it, just like saying to you
(37:21):
have you read the book?
Should I spoil it?
Or you've read it?
I know I've read it, so anyonewho is afraid of spoilers,
please don't listen for twominutes.
But Santiago, when he leaves,he's shown the vision, he's
given the signs, but when he'sin it, he's being tested over
and over again.
He's tested by the thieves,he's tested by the deserts, and
even the thieves in the desert.
(37:42):
And it's so funny because wethink that it would be an easy
journey.
But nobody said it would beeasy, but it would be worth it.
So where do you go if it wasworth it?
I love fun, I love adventure.
I'm the kind of girl this isthe funniest, the craziest thing
I've done last year was I metsomeone like this through a
(38:04):
Facebook group and she invitedme to her city and she said this
ritual is going on at midnight.
You come, and I actually went.
I booked a flight, I went.
I didn't know this person andshe was like she brought me to
my spiritual mother and we had awhole thing.
And I am the girl I say my lifeis a synchronicity.
(38:24):
I never use the wordcoincidence anymore.
I love synchronicity.
My life is a synchronicity andI'm living, breathing all that,
and that blends beautifully intothe psychic way, because living
in synchronicity is being aware, being open and looking at the
signs.
There are moments when I wasthinking about something.
Earlier today I was picking upthe clothes and the dragonfly
(38:46):
flew and I was like, yes, thisis the idea we're going to
execute.
Good job, big guy.
I am on the track and this hasoften happened so beautifully
for me, because there are peoplewho will talk about unicorns
and I have.
No, I don't hate unicorns orlove unicorns, but I don't
collect them or watch them.
But my cousin would send me alipstick she bought which has
(39:08):
unicorn on it and I'm like Iknow I live in that realm now.
So psychic work is connectingto the divine mind.
It's connecting to the superintelligence and being able to
tap into your intuition so muchthat sometimes it's just the
(39:29):
voice speaking in your head andyou're trusting.
That's what I got to do.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
I love it.
I used to be super into thewhole.
So before I switched back toJacqueline Cotton, I was
exploring this whole spiritualsupport system thing and I've
been told by many and I've hadvery several coincidences, right
Synchronicities, where I thinkeverybody has that psychic
(39:55):
ability, but anyway.
So when you said that, I waslike I got to hear about this.
So would you agree thateveryone has psychic abilities?
I do.
How do you be in theMississippi?
It's super taboo stuff likethat.
We're supposed to be readingthe Bible and it's still some
stinking thinking around here iswhat I call it.
But very, we're not supposed totalk about stuff like that and
(40:19):
you especially don't admit it ifyou think you are psychic.
But with the whole I feel likeinner child thing that we were
talking about, we can close itout with the psychic-ness,
because I feel like we were themost psychic and intuitive when
we were kids and somebody camealong and smothered that little
flame.
So what are your thoughts?
Speaker 1 (40:41):
there it can be more psychic and if you see kids and
old people, they are almostalways having a good time with
each other.
Both are slow, both are just intheir emotions and their body,
not so much in the head anymore,and that's because we are
closer to source in either ofthese life end points if I may
(41:03):
call them life points ending andthe beginning and we all have
intuition.
We all are psychic.
We may not be a psychic reader,all of us may not choose that,
but we all are inherentlyknowing and connected.
Sometimes we suppress thatknowing, sometimes we might not
like the knowing, and Idefinitely have had that
(41:27):
experience.
I shared about my relationshipand breaking up with my ex, and
I broke up with him four times.
So the fourth time was notsomething that I chose, it was
chosen for me.
And I was sitting in ameditation and I was on the open
on my terrace and it's almostlike a voice from above was
speaking to me and I have to lethim go.
(41:48):
And I was like, but no, I can't.
Oh, speaking to me and I haveto let him go.
And I was like, but no, I can't, oh, my God, I can't let him go
.
And we were playing this dancewhere he would not treat me well
.
He would bring out my anxietyand my anxious attachment and he
would play the avoidant.
So we were having this wholetoxic dance with each other.
But when I really leaned intothat intuitive knowing, I cried
(42:11):
because at some level I knew itresonated.
I knew it was right.
The thing to look out for is thevoice that you're hearing in
your head.
If you let it land, if you letit be felt, do you feel a
resonance?
Do you feel like, yes, this isthe right thing.
I know this is hard, but thisis the right thing to do.
(42:34):
And I've had several of thosemoments ever since, but that was
the first time when I was likeI'm hearing a voice and that's
different for different people.
Even for me, everyone speaks tome differently and I feel like
even I am such a flavor ofintuition and psychicness.
So there are auditory people whohear.
(42:55):
I only hear when it's likereally, god, highest level of
your fucking shit up.
And this is the level one.
People like code red, priorityone.
This girl needs to be shut down.
So that's when I hear.
Otherwise, my auditory channeldoesn't work that much, mostly
for me, and I connect to someone.
I feel it in my body.
(43:16):
I feel that chakra is blockedfor you and I often see visions.
So it would give me a numbermaybe your age, or a
relationship, or mother holdinga baby, or a girl sitting on a
fence or with her feet in thewater, something like that and
that would be like okay, whatare you telling me?
(43:37):
And slowly, the more I share,the more the client says yeah,
that's the thing.
And the funny quirky thingabout me is something in my
human design I'm not sure if youshare about.
Do you know about human design?
You do perfect.
So in human design we have thisspleen which is a defined
center for me.
Maybe it's not a defined centerfor you, but if you have any of
(44:00):
the gates, you can figure outwhich of those is your strongest
sense of intuition, which Ithink is pretty cool if someone
wants to go down that rabbithole.
I found out through one of myfriends that I have the
strongest sense of smell, but Idon't know how to use it.
I don't use that in my coachingbecause I do online coaching
(44:21):
and I cannot smell my clients,and that's not a good thing to
smell your clients anyways, butfor me.
The way it shows up almost allthe time is when I'm connecting
to my divine partner and I'mstill single.
So whenever I connect to him Ihave this special smell.
And whenever I'm sad or I'mtaking a walk and I'm thinking
about him and just like thatsmell would blow past me and I
(44:44):
would have no clue where it camefrom, or I would have some
smell it would remind me of amemory.
So that sense is for mepersonally, but for my clients
it's like the feeling, thevisuals.
So it's a beautiful mix and weall can access it in our own
unique flavor.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
We'll have to do a whole different episode for the
whole psychic thing, because Iam genuinely interested in
picking your brain more on this,but we're about out of time.
I am curious, though throughoutthis entire thing, did you did
anything come through in regardsto me?
Speaker 1 (45:20):
Your solar plexus.
What's that mean?
Speaker 2 (45:23):
What am I doing with it?
Because I feel like that isblocked.
Speaker 1 (45:27):
because Tell me what do you know?
It's almost like there's thisconnection in your throat.
It's like something you'rewanting to say, but it's coming
out of powerlessness.
It's almost like a child sayinginstead of an adult speaking,
and that's coming from a Notsmall in the sense that it's not
.
It's almost like I can feel itnow In a solar plexus.
(45:50):
It's almost like someone hasslit your tummy open, going at
the front of you, almost likesomeone's ripping it apart.
I'm gutted.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
This makes sense.
This makes total sense.
Yeah, no, that makes sense.
I was just curious.
Let her tell me something justfor that confirmation.
Did you get the confirmation?
I got some confirmation?
Yeah, was just curious.
Let her tell me something, justfor that confirmation and thank
you for that confirmation.
I got some confirmation.
Yeah, thank you for that.
Oh man, this has been good.
I do feel like we could talkfor a very long time, though,
(46:21):
and I told myself this is theyear, jacqueline, this is the
year we stick to time frames andall the things.
So we're at the end of our time, and I just wanted to one.
Thank you for taking the timebecause I know it's nighttime
there to sit with me and to chatwith me and shoot the shit.
I've really been lookingforward to it.
We've only gotten to talkthrough the DMs so far, so this
(46:44):
has been really wonderful.
Two you are a beautiful human,both outside looking in, and was
it you who I chatted withthrough comments, talking about
a perfect date?
Oh, that was me.
Was that you?
I want that date so bad.
When you described it, I waslike how the fuck does she?
Speaker 1 (47:08):
know this.
Oh my god, that's my dream ifsomeone gives that to me, I'm
like I'm sold marry me.
Speaker 2 (47:14):
It was so good and I remember it wasn't it just so
simple going for a walk, readingpoetry, just the simple things
too.
But this has been so, sorefreshing to get to see you and
hear you, and I just wanted toknow a couple more things.
I always part with what's onyour heart.
I don't know where I came upwith that shit, but it's
sticking.
So if you have any final wordsof wisdom, anything that you
(47:37):
didn't get to share when we werechatting that you want to share
with everybody now, just somelast words to get them through
that person who might bestruggling, and then if you will
share how everyone can find youin the online space and any
offers that you might have goingon right now.
Speaker 1 (47:55):
When you were speaking, I got this beautiful
download and it said when loveceases to exist, you cease to
exist, and that was beautiful.
So take step forwards with love.
Go with love.
Flow with love, lead with love.
Let go with love.
Forwards with love.
Go with love.
Flow with love, lead with love.
Let go with love.
Love with love and love likelove, with a lot of love in your
(48:17):
heart, because I feel like I'msuch a loving person.
I think I love love and that'sthe message I want to leave and
that I want to lead as my legacy.
Second thing you can alwaysfind me on instagram.
I am shubhangi coach.
I'm pretty sure there'll be alink if people cannot pronounce
my name so you can always findme through the link.
(48:38):
I'm on instagram.
Come say hi, let me know whatyour biggest download was.
Let me know if you got anychills listening to this,
because I love the psychics andintuitors who get the chills and
the chill, girly.
So please let us know and shareon your stories like how the
episode went, and I would loveto explore more on inner child
(48:59):
intuition and self-love with you.
If you're curious about that, Ihave a beautiful offering that
works on this trifecta and wework with your inner child and
your inner psychic, both at thesame time, to help you reclaim
your voice, to help you step outof the shadows of men and being
the most powerful, self-ledwoman that you can be in this
(49:22):
lifetime, and we could do itthrough one-on-one coaching and
there's a lot of learningmodules as well.
So you're gonna enjoy your timewith me.
If you enjoy the podcast,that's gonna be like even more
delicious, lovelier, like a cakewith multiple layers.
You've not even touched a layer, so when you come, I love what
I do.
Speaker 2 (49:42):
I can tell it definitely shows and, like you,
definitely radiate love.
Isn't it funny that that's thedownload that came through for
you and in the Alchemist from.
What I drew from that text wasthat is the universal language,
that is, the world's language islove.
So I love that you ended withthat.
That's so good.
(50:04):
All right, thank you again forbeing on.
You guys, go find her, followher, buy her things, travel
around the world to meet her ifyou get the opportunity.
I've always wanted to visitjust.
I want to see all the world.
I want to be like santiago andI want to go with my sheep and
(50:25):
go find my personal legend.
It sounds like such a trip.
I don't want to get robbed.
He got robbed a lot, so I don'twant that part.
But go follow her.
Thank you again for being on.
Just Women Talking Shit.
I'm glad that we finally got tomake it happen.
I think that it was supposed tohappen right now, not back then
when we tried scheduling.
Oh, definitely.
Speaker 1 (50:45):
I don't think now.
And then Last three minutes Isaid Last, Definitely the energy
now.
And then Last three minutes Isaid last three months were
almost me, in a completelydifferent headspace and timeline
.
So I'm really glad it happenedexactly when it's happening.
The reading alchemist I'mreading alchemist, we're talking
shade and thank you so much forhaving me, Thank you so much
for inviting me and just givingme one of the best hours of my
(51:07):
life.
So thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (51:14):
One of the best hours of my life.
So thank you so much.
One of the best hours of yourlife.
God, you have a way with wordsand that makes me feel so
appreciated and seen and heard.
So thank you for that so much.
Follow the Synchronicities,people.
You can find your peopleliterally around the world, but
I think it's just just puttingyourself out there, wouldn't you
agree?
You really do.
Thank you again.
I'll talk to you soon.
Bye.
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