DIY Mom Secrets: Rebekah Higgs’ Creative Journey

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SPEAKER_00 (00:22):
Rub Rebecca.
I'm so excited.
How are you doing today?
Well, I didn't know it was gonnabe a PD day.
So there's no school today.
I don't know.
What do you guys call them inthe States when there's this
school thing?
What does PD stand for?
Personal development day for theteachers.

SPEAKER_01 (00:41):
So I think they call them staff development here.
I like personal developmentthough.

SPEAKER_00 (00:46):
Well, we are just always calling them PD days.
So I don't know if it's did youguys call them SD days when they
don't have school?
I think they just say we're outof school.

SPEAKER_01 (00:55):
On the official, it says on the calendars, it'll if
you look, it says staffdevelopment.
But I've never thought to justbe like, hey, it's an SD day.
Must be a Canadian thing then.
It could be.
Nothing wrong with that.
But so the kids are home then?

SPEAKER_00 (01:13):
I just have the one Andy's home.
How old are you?
And she wants me to take her tothe mall.
And so I said, after I do theinterview, I can take you to the
mall.

SPEAKER_01 (01:23):
Oh my gosh.
I'm just happy to hear that kidsare wanting to go to the mall.
And it could be a thing here.
I don't know.
But nobody wants to go to themall anymore.
I remember in my day, I waslike, go to the mall, go to the
food court, hang out for a fewhours.

SPEAKER_00 (01:40):
It was so fun.
I think it's just exciting forher now because she's 11, almost
12, and it's sort of what theteenagers do.
But maybe is it uh the kids arejust ordering stuff online, or
is that why they're not going tothe mall?

SPEAKER_01 (01:53):
Or there's that, and I feel like kids are just so
stuck in their phones for themost part that I don't know,
it's gotta be a a thing here inthe States.

SPEAKER_00 (02:06):
Definitely been on the phone a lot today because of
not being in school.
I can hear her tramp tramplingupstairs, walking very heavy on
the phone with my mom talkingabout her birthday.
She wants to get some things forher birthday, so uh but she's
grown so much that nothing fitsher, and so she really does need
new clothes.
And uh anyway, but between uhbasketball and a couple other

(02:30):
activities that she's in, I I dotry to limit this the screen
time and set the I have a lot ofparental settings on her phone
so she can only go on certainthings for an hour a day.

SPEAKER_01 (02:41):
I was gonna same.
I have a 12-year-old girl also,and so I I relate to a lot of
and the growth spurts, she'staller and bigger than she's
bigger than me, curvier than me,all the things.
I'm just like, what in theworld?
You were like this big not toolong ago, and now you're talking
to me about bras and panties,and I'm just like, I wasn't

(03:03):
ready for it.

SPEAKER_00 (03:04):
She came down this morning and was like, Mom, I
think I'm getting hips.
She was so excited because she'sjust a little string bean.
She's been such a bean pole herwhole life, just tall and skinny
and no hips.
And one time she came down andsaid, Mom, when am I gonna get
hips like you?

SPEAKER_01 (03:20):
How swingy.
Her mom has.
It's so sweet that she looks atyou like that because there's
this period of time where theylook at us like we are just it.
We're like goddesses, and maybeyou haven't gotten to that stage
yet to where I don't know, mydaughter is challenging
everything I say.

(03:41):
And so I'm just like, I wasn'tready for that either.

SPEAKER_00 (03:44):
It is, it is hard.
I heard that a great way to getyour kids to talk was either
just repeat them, mirror them ifthey tell you something happened
and you just say, Oh, that girlwas mean to you.
Oh, so-and-so was mean to metoday.
She was mean to you today, andyou just say exactly what they
say, and then they keep feelinglike then they'll keep going.
The other thing was when youhave a challenging child or a

(04:06):
child that challenges the statusquo and is maybe not as um
compliant as the school systemwould like them to be.
That if you tell a story aboutwhen you did something bad when
you were young, it can also helpthem to open up about maybe some
of the bad things that they'redoing.
I was always in trouble at thatage.

(04:26):
So I didn't stick that one inthe vault.

SPEAKER_01 (04:30):
Do you only have the one?
Ah, no.
Nope.
My reaction was probably itdidn't come off that good.
We have five total.
Oh, wow.
My husband was married beforeme.
I was in a relationship beforehim.
I had a little girl, which isthe one we're talking about.
She's not little anymore, butshe's 12, and then he brought

(04:53):
three beautiful boys into therelationship, and they range
from the small, the youngest isseven, then one that's about to
turn 12.
So he and she clash a lotbecause they're at that same
age.
And then the oldest is 16.
And then we have a little boywhich completes the five, and he
is four.

(05:14):
So four is a fun age.
He's so much fun right now.
Oh my gosh.
But the compliant thing for bothof my kids popped up in my mind.
I was like, oh, that's why I'msticking that in the file
cabinet because they're both sooutspoken and so they question
everything, which is not a badthing when you put that into an
adult.

SPEAKER_00 (05:34):
The other thing I'm realizing with my
status-challenging child is thatshe needs to understand the why
behind why she needs to dosomething.
So, for instance, if it's a mathproblem at school that I'm
trying to help her with and I'mshowing her how the teacher
wants her to do the longdivision and why the teacher
wants her to explain herthinking in her breaking down,

(05:56):
she'll say, Well, she has herown little process of doing it
because she's a bitneurodivergent.
She's got a little bit ofdyslexia, so she likes to do
things slightly differently,which is perfectly fine.
But I will have to break it downand show her the why behind you,
why you have to show the stepsand so that your teacher can
understand how your brain isworking.
You can do long division in manydifferent ways, but the teacher

(06:19):
still needs to understand yourprocess.
And the other thing that I havebeen doing with her is because
she's got such a uh commanderfrequency, I like to call it.
She likes to be the boss.
I constantly tell her, well, oneday you might be a CEO and
you're gonna be the boss of abig company and you're gonna
have to, or your own boss, andyou're gonna have to tell
everybody else how to do things.

(06:40):
So you don't need to know how todo everything, but you need to
know how to do everything just alittle bit so you can tell
people what to do.
That seems to help.

SPEAKER_01 (06:50):
I love that so much.
One, are you neurodivergent bychance?

SPEAKER_00 (06:53):
Yeah, I well, I got an ADHD diagnosis later in life.
So definitely had a lot of innersaboteurs that I dealt with in
my earlier years and justconstantly that frontal cortex
wanting to be sparked by dramaand excitement in my life.
I certainly threw myself morecurve balls than necessary.

(07:14):
And so I didn't actually getdiagnosed until I was 32 or
something like that.
My daughter was a year and ahalf or two years old.
And I did go on medication forfive years for ADHD, and it
really changed the trajectory ofmy life because all of a sudden
I wasn't doing those littlethings just to undermine myself
and make life more difficult.
And it did really greatly helpme, which is nice.

(07:36):
And her dad would probablyself-diagnose as a bit on the
spectrum in terms of Asbergeryor artistic and his artistic
abilities and his musicabilities.
And so she comes by honestly,she gets it from both sides.

SPEAKER_01 (07:52):
I asked because of the way you delivered your
response talking about her beingneurodivergent.
It was just so as if youunderstood it already.

SPEAKER_00 (07:59):
And so Well, it's a nice way to sit call it because
there's so many, there's eventhe spectrum.
There's such a variety ofneurodivergences out there.
And it's also great that we canacknowledge as a society that
some of different the differentway of thinking and the
different way that the brainprocesses things uh can be a
wonderful thing.
It means that there's moreinventors out there, more people

(08:20):
solving solutions, more peopleseeing problems that maybe we
haven't seen before.
And folks with ADHD, like thatis you are great for being an
inventor.
You're great to be anentrepreneur, you're a high risk
taker.
All those things can reallyserve you later in life if you
know how to harness the energyof it all in a positive way.

SPEAKER_01 (08:39):
That was going to be my segue into what you've built.
I was like, I don't want tolabel.
And I'm not saying that everyentrepreneur and every CEO or
movement leader isneurodivergent, but I'm noticing
that a lot of us areneurodivergent.
And when we were younger, wewere like, it's all over the

(09:03):
place.
You said self-sabotaging andwhatnot, but when you learn to
work with it, you buildsomething beautiful.
And so you being an inventor isobviously how DIY mom was born.
And so I think it's a reallycool segue to I want to hear all
about your company now.

SPEAKER_00 (09:20):
Oh, thank you.
I heard an entrepreneur describewhat it takes to be an
entrepreneur as a mixture ofchildhood trauma and adult ADHD,
and that two come together andyou make a great entrepreneur.
And so I think that there is asort of ability to engage in
high risk, that I was built forthat style of life in a way, and

(09:44):
just taking big chances, takingchances on myself and just also
having parents that reallyencouraged me to believe in
myself and to build my talentand abilities and to follow
those talents and abilities.
I think that's kind of what ledme to DIY mom.
And as I even go out and dothings in my philanthropy work,

(10:04):
like working with Hope of Africaand teaching kids in third world
countries how to beentrepreneurs, I see how
everything that I've struggledwith up to this point, all the
things that I've done in mylife, all the little abilities
that I've developed just throughthe course of living and school
of life, have come to perfectlybring me to this place in my

(10:26):
life that I'm at now.
So I can be look back and begrateful for the trauma, be
grateful for the difficultiesthat I've faced and the
challenges, even those thingsthat I wish I could go back and
change or fix or do better.
I see how it has shaped me intothe person I am now.
And it has allowed me toencourage and help people and
relate to people and relate tothese kids that have gone

(10:48):
through so much because I've hada little taste of all those
types of things that they'vegone through.
And so I'm really coming toterms with all those things, but
also seeing the beauty and howyou just look back and see the
hand of the creator just makingthese things happen for you,
opening doors and just walkingthrough them as they came.

SPEAKER_01 (11:05):
I I've never heard that thatblend of childhood trauma and
ADHD.
It makes a good entrepreneur,but I've got both.
So they say about things, itmust be true to some extent.
And so that was kind ofliberating for you to say that
because I never thought aboutmyself that way.

(11:25):
And the the very things, likethe being neurodivergent and the
childhood trauma, and I guessjust having said the school of
life, rough uh experiences, youdon't stop and really think all
in the grand scheme of things,how those work in your favor.
And the moment it's oh, thisshit sucks.
This is really hard.
People don't understand me.

(11:46):
I don't fit in.
But you've turned something thatI would say some people aren't
aware that they can transmute ortransform into something great.
And I know I keep mentioning DIYmom, but I can't help but want
to hear how did this getstarted?
Was it just an idea?

(12:07):
Or did you start in your closet?
There's always some really greatstory.

SPEAKER_00 (12:11):
And I know that you were a single mom while you
built this.
So, what happened was I was amusician in my 20s.
I was touring in rock bands andI moved away from home.
So I'm from the east coast ofCanada.
I moved to Toronto to be morecentral.
And my band had traveled acrossCanada nine times.
So it's a big country.
It's like traveling across theentire going from New York to LA

(12:32):
here by vehicle.
And so um being in the middle ofthe country just seemed to make
more sense, and there's a lotmore management agents, other
bands, and stuff.
So I moved to a big city, but Ireally got caught in just the
day-to-day trying to make enoughmoney to survive in a more
expensive city.
So I was waitressing, I gotpregnant, I had my daughter, and

(12:55):
by the grace of God andcircumstances that were um
difficult at the time, um wasable to move back to Nova Scotia
with my daughter and start overagain in the area that I grew up
in.
So I moved back to Nova Scotiaand I got a job in the film and
television industry here.
I start working in commercialsand I became an associate

(13:17):
producer, and then I was alsodoing things like hair, makeup,
wardrobe, uh, art department setdecorating on commercials and
films, um, my creative ringwings that way.
And in my conversations withclients and agents on the sets
of these bigger budgetcommercials, I just got to
talking like the next big trendin marketing.

(13:38):
I think from my music career andbeing an artist, um, it's always
something that I was naturallyinterested in.
And um said branded contentwould be the next wave of
marketing, which is what we knownow as influencer marketing.
But that just got me thinkingabout okay, would my brand be if
I was gonna do something?
And I grew up with parents thatflipped houses before flipping

(14:00):
was a thing.
I've always been very handy,like creative and artistic, and
doing the set decorating, evenas a teenager.
I was like the trailer parkMartha Stewart.
I would throw parties and turnsheets into curtains, and I
would decorate for everythingand always made my spaces
beautiful.
And so that attitude of like, Iam doing it myself, I'm a single

(14:25):
mom.
And then also having thatcreative hand and liking to do
small home renovations and umprojects, I came up with this
concept of doing homerenovations on a single mom
budget, um, DIY projects whileyour baby's napping or asleep.
And I started to film and editand share those on YouTube and

(14:48):
started a social media channel.
And within six months of me justsharing my own DIY projects, I
got um was reached out to by aum TV channel called Bell, it's
Bell5 TV One, but it's basicallylike you remember Home
Improvement, the TV show, howTim the Toolman Taylor had his

(15:10):
access TV show?
Yes.
How can I forget?
Yeah.
So this was uh TV, so it's meantto develop talent in Canada.
There's this Canadian contentstandards that every big network
has to put certain money backinto developing talent locally.
So I was the benefit factor ofthat, and I got a little budget

(15:31):
to make a TV show called DIYMom, and I ended up doing five
seasons of DIY Mom for Bell FibeTV and really building my brand,
my social media, and all of thepartnerships and collaborations
that I've done over the years byleveraging the TV show, my
marketing uh social media, anddoing these projects.
And during those five seasons, Ium my personal homes, I sold

(15:56):
those homes, I built my ownpersonal equity and I built
myself up to being able to livein an amazing neighborhood,
downtown Halifax, where I grewup, where I never thought I
would ever be able to afford ahouse in this neighborhood with
the best school, Halifax, thebest public school in Halifax in
our backyard and um wonderfulneighborhood.

(16:17):
I'm surrounded by doctors andlawyers.
I'm like the only single momthat's uh um this entertainment,
social media world.
And yeah, I am living in my pinkhouse in our Barbie dream house
uh through this little brandidea that I came up with one day
when I was working in an office.
And I drew the logo and I made awebsite and I just started

(16:40):
walking through doors that wereopening for me.

SPEAKER_01 (16:43):
Oh, I've got chills.
You're the first person thatI've taken notes.
I'm taking this a little bitmore seriously here lately, and
I've got also ADHD and learninghow to keep up with my thoughts.
It's nice.
Yeah, I'd have a pen and paperthere so you can have them in
every corner of the house, nextto the toilet, all the things.

(17:04):
Your story is inspiring.
One, your single mom motherhoodis hard.
I remember a little too well,and it's a get choked up
thinking about it.
It was in between homes.
So technically that's homeless.
Like I didn't have my own homewhenever I left my daughter's
dad.
And I remember being a felt likerock bottom.
Like I knew the only way it wasup, right?

(17:25):
But I just remember feelinglike, when am I gonna get this
figured out?
Like, I want so much more formyself.
So some things that I wrote downwhenever you were speaking was
first off, we have music incommon.
I'm a musician.
Awesome.
I went to film school for alittle bit.
Nice.
Um, what I wrote down was thatyou are like back of all trades.

(17:46):
You do a little bit ofeverything, it sounds like.
And and how you were talking toyour daughter about that, what
did you say, commander frequencyor commander energy?
I love that so much because Isay all the time, especially
when I'm getting frustrated withour littles, I'll look at my
husband and I'm just like, Iknow this is annoying as shit.
But if we put this quality in agrown man, put this quality in a

(18:09):
grown woman, would we respectthem?
And I would respect the crap outof the strong will, the the
questioning everything, thethinking for themselves, right?
But I remember growing up, and Iremember even within the past
few years being in that spacewhere it's like I'm good at a
lot of stuff, but like makingoff.

(18:31):
I remember feeling this questionof like, do I want to be when I
grow up?
I remember feeling lost andconfused, like good at so many
things, but like what do I evenwant to be when I grow up?
And the story you just told meas to how DIY mom was born, you
know, was just this idea thatcame to you.

(18:54):
And I'm a true believer that youhave an idea.
There, if you have an idea,other people probably have that
idea too, and it's just likewhat you do with it from there,
and you did something with it.
And now look, dream Barbiehouse?
What?

SPEAKER_00 (19:07):
Well, the interesting thing about it too
is when I first came up with theidea and I made the logo and I
pit I ended up going to a womenin film and television
conference and pitching theconcept of this sort of YouTube
meets HGTV TV show where youwould get the education factor
where I would tell you how to dosomething, but you would also
see these beautiful before andafters.
Um, I took my little baby on myhip, went to the pitch festival,

(19:30):
pitched the the pitched to thisaudience of women, um, didn't
end up winning the pitch, buteven 10 years later, one of the
women that organizes pitches allover the world and she trains
people how to pitch for film,film and television, said that
she remembers my pitch.
Of all the pitches she has seen,she remembers my pitch.

(19:52):
And so that in itself is acompliment that I can carry with
me.
But I took the idea of DIY momto production houses that worked
with HGTV and did TV shows, andthey just said, you know, not
high stakes enough, it's notunique enough, like plenty of
DIY moms out there.
What makes you more unique?
And to me, I thought, well, thefact that there's lots of DIY

(20:12):
moms out there doesn't, to me,that feels like, well, then I
would have this built-inaudience of people that are
already interested in it.
Why would that a bad thing?
And so even just having thatlittle access TV platform that
sure, maybe there's not a ton ofeyes on it, or I'm not gonna
become like a huge famous star,but it was just enough for me to

(20:33):
invest back into DIY Mom, thebrand, and to put the equity
back into my homes.
And a lot of times I didn't seethe return or I didn't pay
myself until the house sold or Iflipped the house.
So I was willing to kind of thisuncertainty of income and I was
leveraging my other time on setwhere I would go and do a day

(20:53):
here and there of hair andmakeup and wardrobe and set
direct decking.
And then I also, when I was inmy 20s, I put$5,000 down on a
multi-unit building in the northend of Halifax with my pizza
girl money because I wasdelivering pizzas when I wasn't
on the road with the band.
Um, so I had a little bit of arental income.
And then when Airbnb became athing, I turned one of those uh

(21:15):
units in the apartment buildinginto an Airbnb.
So that gave me even morepassive income.
And then the ability to kind ofon building a dream, building a
career, building a brand,building something that I didn't
necessarily need to rely onhaving a steady stream of income
right away.
Um, I do think that that kind oflifestyle is not for everybody.
You have to have a uh like ahigh um for risk.

(21:41):
And there's a lot of people thateither A weren't raised to think
that way.
Luckily, I had entrepreneurparents that believe that you
can build your own equity andyou can rely on yourself, that
that's a great option for us.
Um other people you know mightfeel like I really need that
bi-weekly check.

(22:02):
I need to get out and work forsomebody else and know that I
have a little check coming in.
So um I've always been ahustler.
Even when I was a musician and Ihad no money for dental work, I
would trade paintings for dentalwork.
You know, painted a bunch ofpaintings for a dental office
and they gave me some teethwork, you know.
So yeah, I just live it on thebarter system.

SPEAKER_01 (22:23):
Something about you so much because I identify with
the hustler thing too.
You have to, especially as asingle mom and as a musician.
Like, I think if you are anatural-born musician, then you
are naturally a hustler and youjust know that the work you do
might not pay off.
Um, you said something though,and I want to bring it back to
like being the jack of alltrades and your life experience,

(22:46):
how it's added up.
A lot of us tend to, and I knowa lot of my listeners get this
is just human, this is beinghuman.
But then you add umneurodivergent aspects to it,
and we think so much, like ohtoo much to where we get stuck,
right?
And you said a couple thingsabout the one word that pops up

(23:07):
is uncertainty.
That uncertainty of income, thatuncertainty of when this is
gonna take off.
And I just can't help butrevisit the fact that you have
multiple talents.
And if we were to take a stepback and think about, you know,
when you were in the thick ofit, or for my listeners, when
you're in the thick of it andyou're like, you've got all

(23:28):
these things that you're tryingto work on, hoping something
will take off.
What do I want to be when I growup?
All the uncertainty.
Um can feel like you're juststuck.
But then we again take anotherstep back and look at like your
directory, like your directoryof your career.
And I bet when you were amusician, you never thought, oh

(23:50):
man, I'm gonna be like thefounder of this successful
brand, DIY Mom.
I bet you never thought, like,or maybe you did, but I wouldn't
have, as myself, as a musician,probably thought, 15 years from
now, I'll be on HGTV or featuredon this.
And so, but you mentionedsomething about it coming full
circle.
And this seems to be a reallycommon theme lately in my life

(24:13):
and in other people's lives,that just because like one skill
set doesn't work out or itdoesn't take you to that level
of fame or income doesn't meanit's not gonna be a useful skill
later on.
So, like your music, your film,your um writing, all those
things wound up coming fullcircle and being a great

(24:35):
catalyst for your brand.
But it could seem like if wewere to look back, like this is
skill four.
So I would love to hear yourthought process on that because
we tend to get so caught up inlife.
And what I would say is the endresult of the work, like you
have this vision, but you're notreally enjoying the ride and all

(24:56):
the skill sets and all thehurdles that you're gonna learn
from to get to that end result.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (25:03):
I think you can learn so much from your failures
and your struggles along the waythat it's all part of your
education.
And so when I even think aboutuh decisions I made in my 20s or
uh the fact that I was in amusic career, like I learned so
much about reaching out, doingcold calls during my music
career.
You know, I sent so many emailsto uh to be like, can we play?

(25:24):
And I booked my own tours andthen I was writing grants in my
music career to get money for usto be on the road.
And so all these things, youknow, working out because I
could then write grants for filmor for television or, you know,
build a budget, I could use anExcel spreadsheet.
And then when it came to writingemails, reaching out to brands
to see if they would sponsor me,sponsor the TV show, you know,

(25:47):
had a little bit of experiencein all of those things.
So and I think that I was alsookay with no's.
Like I wasn't embarrassed byanything.
Like I wasn't embarrassed toreach out and get a no.
And I think some people, whenthey do reach out for something
and they do that door does closeon them or they say no, thank
you, they can take it reallypersonally and it can be really
discouraging for them.
So I just tried not to take anyof that stuff personally.

(26:09):
I always thought maybe there'ssomebody else.
So if I would send out emailstrying to get a sponsor for
lights, and one sponsor got backto me and said yes, that was a
win.
You know, I didn't think aboutthe 19 that said no, thank you.
I just thought about the onethat said yes.
And then how can I deliver forthat one product so good that
all of those other people thatsaid no are gonna be jealous
that they weren't the ones thatdid it?

(26:30):
You know, so that and then theother thing is about like it can
hold us back so much.
I like to say that perfection isthe low-hanging fruit.
When you want an excuse to whyyou can't do something or why
you're not gonna put somethingout in the world or you're not
gonna share it on your socialmedia because it's not perfect,
that is the easiest way to giveyourself an excuse or an out to

(26:50):
not do the thing.
And so I just constantly sayit's good enough to you know,
and obviously I'm gonna getbetter as I go.
Um, edits are gonna get better,my presentation, the way I share
my story, the way I shareproduct.
It gets better every time.
And so don't expect that you'regonna be perfect the first time
you do it, but you just gotta doit and start and get the wheels

(27:12):
in motion and get the ballrolling, and then you'll have
more opportunities to improveand learn.
So, like this is really myeducation.
Like, I've given myself thisamazing education over the last
20 years of being an artist andbeing out there on my own.
Um, yeah, none of it feels likeit was a waste.

SPEAKER_01 (27:32):
And sometimes it just takes years and years of
reflection to realize.
So for the single mom, becausewe've both been single moms.
Um married now.
So I feel like I'm disowning thesingle mom thing.
But I was a single mom for awhile, and I just remember,
especially like thatentrepreneurial spirit.

(27:54):
I'm definitely I don't make agood employee for sure.
So it was always like I justremember being in the thick of
it and feeling like more for me,like meant for more.
But when you are like intrenches, you feel like how is
my ever going to make it?
So I'm curious what you have tosay, any bits of advice or just

(28:17):
hope for the single mom whofeels like she has hit rock
bottom, who is working towardsthat dream Barbie house, who is
just right now feeling stuck.

SPEAKER_00 (28:27):
Yeah, a couple things.
One of my mantras has alwaysbeen make it happen.
That was a mantra that my dadraised us with.
He used to drop us off at schoolin the morning and say, make it
happen.
And so that was kind of familymantra.
And I realized pretty early inmy music career that nobody else
cared about my success or my artor making me a star as much as I

(28:48):
did.
And that if I really wanted tohave my art out in the world, I
have to make it happen.
And I think that every mom andevery woman out there trying to
make their dreams happen can umuse this mantra to help leverage
them or push them forwardbecause so many times we think,
oh, somebody's gonna come alongand make me a star or give me
the dream job that I want orprop me up on a pedestal.

(29:11):
But the reality is that it's sounlikely that if you're waiting
for somebody to come and do thatfor you, it's probably not gonna
happen.
So you have to make it happenfor yourself.
So that's the first thing that Iwould say.
The second thing is that Istarted to delegate as soon as I
could things around the house orchores or stuff that other
people could do just as well asme.

(29:32):
So I could free up my time to dothe things that only I could do.
So one day I came home and therewas a 15-year-old babysitter
with folding laundry andwatching YouTube tutorials on
how to organize a home.
And I said, Melissa, do you likeorganizing how like is something
fun for you?
And she was like, Yes, I loveit.
And I said, Well, why don't youstart coming over when Lennon's

(29:56):
not here when she's at daycareand help me get on top of my
house?
You know, we can often uh if wehave ADHD, having a messy house
can be such a distraction togetting things done.
So the 15 year old that I waspaying$10 an hour, that was 10
years ago now, uh, to take careof things around my house.
And then I found out she had allthese other abilities.
She could do my taxes, like shecould do, like keep track of my

(30:18):
receipts.
And then got her driver'slicense right away, and she
could pick up linen from Disney.
Care and drop her off, and justsort of those little tasks that
people can do.
And maybe it does seem like ahuge expense at the time, but
honestly, I ended up makingmoney so much faster and
accelerating my career byoffloading those things.

(30:39):
Um, joke about it now, like thatI hired a wife, basically, like
a single mom.
I and not to put downstay-at-home moms.
I mean, I I'm sure I would havebeen an amazing stay-at-home mom
if I had given been given theopportunity.
Um, but because I was wasn'tmarried and and had to rely on
my skills to get us ahead, um,did feel like you know, prep,

(31:01):
laundry, cleaning the house,things like that, I could
offload to somebody else andfree up my time to design my
logos, build my websites, docold calls, reach out to brands
and all those other things.
So I think delegating is just areally great thing to do.
And then also now with the waythat AI is developing so
quickly, we can really accessthose things and use them to our

(31:22):
advantage to free up our time.
Um, I love to use AI as asounding board for my ideas um
to prompt me for questions so Ican think deeper about my
personal like proposition.
What is the thing that I amspecifically really good at that
nobody else can do?
And so, how can I leverage thatto um the amount of money that

(31:45):
I'm making for my services, um,make myself more desirable.
And so I also now work forclients, I do client work, I do
designs for other people too.
And so um business has expandedover the years and I found more
ways of of making money, but umlike one step at a time, one
door at a time.

(32:07):
And every time you do it, itgets a little easier.
So if you're a single mom outthere and you're struggling,
just even make the simplestlittle first step.
Maybe that first step is just aphone call or an email, um, a
project that you want to do whenyour child's asleep at night.
You have a creative flair andyou're good at painting or
sewing, or if it's somethingthat you want to make and sell,

(32:29):
there's so many ways that um youjust need to make time to do
those things that only you cando to get yourself to start
moving in the right direction.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (32:42):
Because I know that the we probably got some eye
rolls with the make time thing.
I just want to remind everybody,like you all only have 24 hours
in the day.
Sometimes we have to give somestuff up, like we'll making
time.
I get I know people are justlike, I don't have enough time.
We all have the same amount oftime in the day according to the

(33:04):
24-hour period, right?
But it's sometimes given thingsup.
So, like for me, it was a whilewhere I was like, I was watching
a lot of Netflix, but I want tostart a podcast.
Gotta give that up.
You can't watch Netflix as much.
That's eating into my podcasttime, right?
So I just for my listeners,don't get mad at us, but you can

(33:25):
make the time.
It just means you might have togive some stuff up.

SPEAKER_00 (33:28):
I think if it's something that you love and are
really passionate about, it'skind of easier to give up the
things like Netflix or I agree.
You know, um, and also if youblock out your time in the day
in your calendar and youspecifically mark that this is
the time for this thing, I'mgonna do this now.
Um, and you have it in yourcalendar, then maybe that's a
good way to get it done.

(33:50):
The other thing is that doingdifficult stuff first thing in
the day is always the best timeto do it.
And the afternoon is better forcreativity and dreaming and
scheming and thinking outsidethe box.
So do the things that requirecognitive load and ability in
the morning, like yourbudgeting, your receipts, your
emails, et cetera, et cetera.

(34:10):
Use the afternoons for creativethings.
Um, like the other thing I usedto do when my daughter was
little is so I was working likewe'd have to be at work around
9:15, 9:30.
So I'd get her to daycare.
I would work until about sixo'clock at night.
I would go pick her up fromdaycare.
I would, uh when I was workingin film and television, um,

(34:31):
would feed her dinner, bath her,put her to bed, and then I would
work again for another twohours.
I'd make my little video atnight.
So um are gonna have to work alot.
And if you maybe you just haveto give up one addiction for a
different addiction.
So you know it's pot smoking,give it up for work have work
addiction, or if it's Netflix TVat night, like I think like the

(34:54):
only time I really have time towatch TV is on a rainy Sunday
afternoon when I think, okay, Ireally need to just lay down for
four hours and do nothing.
Um, if you want to be anentrepreneur and have a creative
job and work for yourself, yeah,you have to work a lot.

SPEAKER_01 (35:14):
You do.
I funny because well, there butI think it goes back to those
kind of people too.
Like the people who can they'rebuilt for the bi-weekly checks
and the predictability, and thenthere are people who are the
opposite.
I'm definitely one of theopposites.
Um, what I took from everythingyou said was nobody's coming to
save you.
Choose your hard.

(35:34):
Like one.

SPEAKER_00 (35:35):
And do you know how like some types of work you feel
really depleted and like, butother stuff you kind of energize
and it gives you more energy todo it?
And so I think when you're doingsomething creative that's like
what you want to be doing, thatcan energize you.
And then all of a sudden you youhave this energy that you never
knew you did, versus like, oh,when I go to the office, I feel
so drained and I hate thefluorescent lights and I hate

(35:55):
the cubicle that I'm in.
So when I get home at night, Ihave zero energy to do like
beyond, right?
So I think because I was workingin a creative field and I was
working for myself, I wasexcited to get it done.
Like I wanted that website to bebuilt.
I wanted people to see mycontent.
So yeah, I guess I had moreenergy when it had to do with

(36:18):
something that I was excitedabout.

SPEAKER_01 (36:20):
That you flavor of love, you probably do it anyway,
which I heard in a recentpodcast episode, it was Mel
Robbins.
I can't remember the exactepisode, but they called it
magnetic desire.
And I was just like, oh man.
And the way they explained itwas when you feel so drawn to

(36:40):
something, and entrepreneurs andcreators know better than
anybody.
You just feel drawn tosomething.
And it's like, even if it'shard, even if you have to put in
80 hours a week, like I love theidea, and this probably sounds
crazy to some people who are adifferent personality type, but
like the thought of spending 40hours a week somewhere I call it

(37:00):
like in prison, I want to justuh can't just know, but I will
put in 80 hours easy between mypodcast, coaching, content
creation, you know, somethingthat I'm really passionate
about.
So I totally agree.

SPEAKER_00 (37:16):
It's not like when I take an hour in the afternoon to
walk my dog in the sunshine, I'mstill using that time
effectively.
Like I'm either listening to apodcast that's gonna help me, or
I'm just um you know, alsoworking things out in my head,
problem solving my head,thinking about the next steps or
thinking about what I can do orthe piece of content or coming

(37:38):
up with ideas.
Like as an artist, you also needto have space where you're doing
like actively nothing, so thatyou can um up with those big
ideas that are really gonna takeyou to the next level.

SPEAKER_01 (37:52):
Yeah.
Terminology for this, and Ican't remember what it is, but
it's along the lines of likedoing nothing, so that you're
like basically feeding yourbrain, like when the personal
development comes in, or likemaybe laying in a hammock, but
you've got like sillytherapeutic binarial beats or
something like that.

SPEAKER_00 (38:12):
So try to meditate for five, 10 minutes a day, and
you're just trying to not think,um, let all the ideas that come
into your head kind of out.
It's always like at the end of asession like that, they have
some kind of really big greatidea that's gonna like get to
work on as soon as they finish.
And so it's important as acreative to give your brain that

(38:34):
space to expand.
And you can't do that whenyou're constantly crushing
details and you know, on allthis emotional load and stressed
out about you know today.
Yeah.
You really need to give yourselfthat 10 minutes of meditation or
that walk, the walk with thedog, or you know, in the sauna
for 15 minutes, those types ofspaces where you're just

(38:56):
focusing on breathing.
Um, always find like byunloading the most important
information for the next like myjourney.

SPEAKER_01 (39:04):
Yes.
And that's what I call them toois downloads because it feels
like it just comes out ofnowhere and boop, a little
download.
I love it so much.
So from what you just said, itfeels like that intentional time
to rest, to nourish, to reallyjust be alone with your own
thoughts is not necessarily aluxury, but in this line of

(39:26):
work, in these high-level riskssituations, it's a necessity.
Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 (39:32):
Yeah.
You have to do the inner work aswell to realize where your
struggles are and your painpoints.
Um like I'd do so much work inthe last 20 years
psychologically to just makemyself a healthier version of
myself.
Um, so don't discount the factthat that work that you're

(39:54):
doing, whether it's um being atherapist or listening to some
self-help podcast or reading abook about um you know saboteurs
or the tools that you need, likeis such crucial work to get you
over the hump or like to figureout the things that have been
holding you back.
I know so many amazing artists,comedians, writers that um have

(40:20):
such a hard time putting theirart out into the world because
they have all these things thatthey haven't dealt with or over
the years and that and reallyholding them back.
So the work that you do to healyourself, fix yourself,
acknowledge the situations thatyou've been through in your life
that are difficult are gonnacome back as um helping you to

(40:43):
be a better entrepreneur, to bea better business person as
well.

SPEAKER_01 (40:48):
I was going to ask you like what your definition of
inner work is.

SPEAKER_00 (40:52):
Well, I've done all kinds of different things.
I did internal family systems,which was um helped me to have
inner authority and to trust mygut.
Um, read the book The Tools,which is a Phil Stutz book.
It's actually they also made adocumentary on Netflix about it,
but the book is reallyfantastic.
And I did uh the shadow work,just accepting all the things

(41:12):
about myself that I didn't like,that I tried to hide from people
that I was just shamed of.
Um that inner acceptance of thethings in myself that I might be
ashamed of or or not so proud ofactually helped me me to become
a more authentic version ofmyself.
And when you present yourself tothe world as authentic and
wholehearted, people relate toyou so much more.
They have compassion for you andthey can you walk into a room to

(41:38):
present something or pitchsomething, and you come in as a
whole person, they say, Well,this is somebody that I can
really relate to.
This is somebody that I couldwork with.
Um, being a very determined,goal-driven person, I've had to
develop my empathy and mycompassion and my abilities to
work with other people toinstruct the trades that work on
my construction sites, toencourage my team that comes and

(42:01):
helps me on a regular basis sothat they don't get discouraged,
so that they want to keepworking for me.
Um, understanding, like Imentioned frequency command, the
Mander frequency.
I've just been doing someresearch about the seven
frequencies.
And so there's like themotivator, the challenger, the
commander, the um the healer,the professor, the maven.

(42:24):
I think that's seven.
And so if we learn how to accessall these different frequencies,
and the way that he describesfrequencies, this is Irwin
McManus in his book, is thatit's like when you talk to your
dog, they don't necessarily knowwhat you're saying, but they
know that the tone of your voicemeans they're either in trouble
or they're they're loved.
And so um, all these frequenciescan make you a really great

(42:46):
communicator.
And if you can be a really greatcommunicator, then you can run a
team, you can encourage people,you can communicate your story
in an effective way.
And so it's not just for publicspeakers, it's really beneficial
for everybody.
And so one of the interestingthings is like you can't speak
commander to commander.

(43:08):
So when my daughter gets likethen you're just like this,
right?
But you have to speak healer tocommander.
So when she comes at me with hercommander frequency, and I come
at her with like a, oh, thatmust be really hard for you, it
just melts the commanderfrequency.
So understanding people, andlike back in university, I have

(43:28):
an arts degree and I lovedabnormal psychology.
So I think I've always loved thebrain and understanding
psychology, and I think that'swhy I understood like I was
neurodivident and that I hadsome ADHD and I needed to
develop my frontal cortex inother ways.
Um, yeah, always lovedpsychology.

(43:49):
I found that very fascinating,and I was always very curious
individual, and so um kind oflearning as I love to keep
learning.
And so all those books that Iread, um because it is food for
my brain.

SPEAKER_01 (44:05):
Yeah.
Evolution is what came throughfor me.
That's the inner work.
I don't know if you agree withthat.
Yeah.
Because now I coach peoplethrough personally evolving in
general, but I I asked thatquestion because I'm always
curious.
Like, is inner work to you?
Because inner work to you couldbe so different for somebody
else.
You know, just went to theperson listening who is doing

(44:28):
the inner work, but like, Idon't know if you ever resonated
with this or had this thought,and especially meditating.
I just remember starting out andI was just like, Am I doing this
right?
Is this what it's supposed tofeel like?
And I felt like I was doing itwrong.
And so, regardless of themodality, I think it takes like
a level of genuine curiosity,like, am I the way I am?
How do I get to where I want tobe?

(44:49):
And then just kind of like youlike you've got your books,
you've got your podcasts umceremonies where you can take
your pillow and do some shadowwork and like the crap out of
your bed.
And so for the person listening,it it's all up to you.
That's what's so beautiful aboutthe inner work is doing it
internally and not needing thatoutside validation, figuring out

(45:10):
do I like to read books, do Ilike to listen to books, do I
like podcasts, do I likein-person healing groups,
something like that?
It's so different for everybody.
So thank you for sharing thatbecause it's a super personal
thing to talk about.

SPEAKER_00 (45:25):
And the other thing um really has helped me was
taking care of my body because Iwas starting to I have had joint
instability and pain andarthritis and herniated discs in
my neck and shoulder injuries,hip injuries, just you name it,
and like I've been full of pain.
And so when I started a Pilatespractice 10 years ago, it really

(45:49):
helped me to strengthen my core,which strengthens my back, which
strengthened my neck, whichhelped me to deal with pain, and
just actually prioritizingphysical exercise every day
helps me so much in every otherarea of my life.
Um, yeah, inner work can alsomean that you're just taking
care of your body, getting tothe gym, figuring out like a

(46:11):
yoga or Pilates practice orsomething that's gonna help you
to do the things you wanted todo.
I just didn't want my body tohold me back from doing anything
that I wanted to do.
And the reality was that it wasjust starting to fail me.
So I needed to do somethingabout it.
And I wish I started thatearlier.

SPEAKER_01 (46:28):
I completely, when you say, especially that I wish
I would have started earlier,which is a really hard habit to
get out of saying, I wish Iwould have, because we're right
on time, I think.
But uh yeah, tear of your body.
It may be for the personlistening who's like, I'm in the
mood to read a book.
I'm not go for a walk, startthere because I know that when I

(46:48):
down for between 40 and 50pounds, which is a huge
accomplishment.
It wasn't all just for theweight.
I realized that there's only somuch inner work you can do
before you're like, I gottaliterally get down to like the
fibers of my being.
And I too was in that um, Iguess that group where I just

(47:11):
felt like my body was failingme.
And I remember not being able torun around like a shitty feeling
to not be able to run after yourtwo-year-old.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (47:19):
You gotta be able to live things, you gotta be able
to run if you need to run.
And it's like the eatinghealthy, the taking care of your
body, the getting out in thesunshine, um, having positive
friendships, all those thingsare like your longevity and your
ability to do things well.
And so it is just as importantas working hard.
It's you have to set up yourselffor success in terms of like, am

(47:43):
I taking care of this thing thatgets me around?
Thing that makes it impossiblefor me to live.

SPEAKER_01 (47:50):
Yeah, desol.
Yeah.
Tell me if you found this too,because I too have been obsessed
with the brain.
And so you learn when you feellike you're forever learning.
But I realized that because Iwasn't taking care of my body,
that was actually the missingcomponent for me.
And then when I started takingcare of my body, like stress
started going down, everythingstarted to kind of fall in, fall

(48:12):
into place.
And I I've again I'm gonna plugin a Mel Robbins podcast again,
but there's this episode whereshe's talking with um, I want to
say like a physiologist, and shewas saying how the purpose of
working out is to stress yourbody out so that you can deal
with stressors.
And I was just like, oh, thatmakes so much sense.

SPEAKER_00 (48:32):
I've definitely become so much more calmer.
I like to say I have like a lowresting heartbeat now or like
flat heart rate.
Like just that's what I look forin a leader is somebody that is
gonna have a low resting heartrate because when you hit this,
when shit hits the fan andeverybody's freaking out around
you, you need to be that steadyhand and the calm one in the

(48:55):
storm that says, it's okay,we're gonna figure this out,
we're gonna get out of here,right?
And when I do have those momentswhere I'm so stressed, and then
a neighbor comes up and like meabout something, and I snap and
I lose my temper, nothing feelsworse than that.
Like I hold on to that losing mytemper for so long.
Like I just can't get over it.

(49:16):
It's just so brutal to be inthat position.
And so, yeah, I have to dothings that uh uh teach you to
deal better with stress so thatyou don't take out your rage on
your loved ones or on peoplebecause um you're gonna lose so
much like that support system.
You're gonna lose thecheerleaders if you are

(49:37):
constantly losing your temperand in a bad mood around people.
So um it's a gift to yourself ifyou can take care of your
health, sleep better, and justdevelop that ability to handle
stress and daily challenges.

SPEAKER_01 (49:53):
Yeah, I couldn't agree more.
So maybe for the personlistening, it's just just try to
work out.
I really do think that it islike a plug-in point for
personal development.
And then you've got yourendorphins, you've got like the
cascade of health benefits, uhbut your confidence.
Let's talk about confidence too.
And when you're more confident,life just tends to go better in

(50:14):
general.

SPEAKER_00 (50:16):
True.
And I think that people like itdoesn't have to be confidence in
a way that it's an ego, becausethat can be unattractive.
But I think confidence in a waythat seems very settled and like
you know who you are.
I think again, it's about thatum authority, acceptance of
yourself, and presentingyourself as a wholehearted

(50:39):
person.
So when you communicate withsomebody in a confident way, um,
they don't want to challenge itor they can really get behind it
because yeah, you are the beaconin the storm.
You are that person that theywant to head to when times are
tough because they know thatyou've got a level head on your
shoulders.
And so, yes, it can beconfidence, but it doesn't have
to be egotistical confidence.

SPEAKER_01 (51:00):
Yeah.
But for some people do thinkthat confident comes off, it
can't come off as cocky, beingtoo confident, confident almost.

SPEAKER_00 (51:11):
But I'm sure we've all experienced people that are
very egotistical and their egois hurt very quickly and
fragile, and they're defensive,right?
So if you say something abouttheir ego, they lash out in a
very defensive way.
And so yes, but in all otheraspects, you might think this is
the most confident person in theworld, like and do so much
stuff.
They're very skilled, like yettheir ego is fragile.

(51:34):
And so that to me is a veryclear weakness.
And I think when when it came tostarting to date again and
picking a partner, um, I reallydidn't want to end up with a man
that had a fragile ego becauseI'm around on eggshells and it's
just very uncomfortable.
And so finding a man who is veryconfident in himself, but in a

(51:57):
gentle way, and he's a proudfeminist.
And to me, that is so importantto find a man that isn't ashamed
or embarrassed to callthemselves a feminist because it
just means that they believe inequality and in your success as
well.
And so he's never beenthreatened by my independence,
threatened by my ambition,threatened by my entrepreneurial

(52:17):
abilities, like champions thosethings and he encourages me.
And to me, that is like theideal partner.

SPEAKER_01 (52:24):
I love that so much for you.
So freaking much.
It has me questioning though,what is authentic to you?
Like what we throw this wordaround a lot, but what does
authenticity actually mean toyou?

SPEAKER_00 (52:42):
Um, I think it just means that you have done the
inner, like you reflected onyourself.
You understand your weaknesses,you understand your strengths,
and you've come to terms withthose things.
And when you present yourself tothe world, you come out as like
not perfect, I'm not great ateverything, but I do have some
strengths and I do have somevalue here.

(53:03):
And so when I talk to you, I'mnot hiding or presenting myself
in a way that feels phony andartificial because I'm not
ashamed of myself, uh acceptedmyself.
I've accepted my shadows ofthose things that I think are
negative or bad about me.

(53:23):
So nobody else can run on mesaying, like, you're not lovable
or you're not a good person,because I've already come to
terms with the fact that I amlovable.
I do love myself.
And so to me, that isauthenticity.
So you come to terms and acceptyourself for the good and the
bad.
And when you go out into theworld, you present yourself in

(53:45):
as a whole person, not likeshallow.
You're not putting on a front,you're not trying to attract
people by only by bragging orsaying all the things that
you're good at.
Like you come at things humblyand uh just a willingness to
have your mind changed, awillingness to learn, uh

(54:06):
curiosity about other people.
You know, you're not curiousabout other people and you're so
self-obsessed, like you can havezero connection with other
humans.
So I think that's whatauthenticity is.
It's uh the ability to connectwith other humans.

SPEAKER_01 (54:22):
I love your definition of that.
Because what's your definition?
I'm curious now.
Oh, are you curious?
Well, oh so before I tell you mydefinition, what I got from that
was like so do you remember theMySpace days?

SPEAKER_00 (54:37):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (54:37):
There's what I call a MySpace angle, and we all took
our pictures from this corner uptop and just to show the good
angles.
And your definition tells me, orthis is what I got from it,
showing all angles, like thewhole human, not just the
well-lit angles and the goodbits of it.
And it just the self-acceptance,I think, is so important.

SPEAKER_00 (54:59):
That was a huge process for me too, because when
I when I filmed five seasons ofDIY mom and I would edit myself,
I saw all of the bad angles.
Like likes to see a doubledouble chin, you likes to see
themselves lash out or or uh beimmature.
But I knew that that's the stuffthat makes TV interesting.

(55:21):
And if you present like theperfection all the time, um
connect with that.
It's unpenetrable.
And so if I wanted to make a TVshow that would uh uh people
could relate to, I had to bewilling to show the bad stuff as
well.
Um, and you know, even when theyhear their own voice for this

(55:43):
first time, they hate it.
And so just that process ofseeing myself on camera all the
time, I had to become verycompassionate for myself and
just like okay with it.
And it was a long process and itwas a painful process, but I
think it's helped me in otherareas of my life as well, just
for that having thatself-acceptance.

SPEAKER_01 (56:05):
How cool.
I hadn't thought about that.
But as a creator and someone whodocuments myself a lot, and this
podcast, for instance, I dominimal editing.
I'm not gonna do that.
I don't want people to only seethe good parts, like you're to
hear when I fuck up and when Ihave my awkward moments, I'm
just sitting here like I saywhat was because it is real, it
is relatable.
And I think that's why peoplelike the show and my brand,

(56:28):
because I'm gonna show allangles.
But for is boring, it's soboring.
And and are you a perfectionistor are you just appearing to be
perfect?
That's what I want to know.
Yeah, nobody's perfect andnobody relates to that.

SPEAKER_00 (56:44):
Those influencers that really uh perfection all
the time.
I just get so tired of it.
I just it's boring.

SPEAKER_01 (56:51):
You're right, it is boring.
That the even saying that, I'mlike fast, boring.
Um it's kind of cool to thinkabout how it makes sense why you
are so comfortable in your ownskin because you have like the
music prepared you for that.
You got a lot of feedback, noteverybody's gonna like you.
And then the the filming and allthose things.

(57:11):
I never stopped to think aboutthat.
And that's probably why I'vebecome more comfortable with
accepting myself, because likeyou have to sit there and watch
yourself so much.

SPEAKER_00 (57:22):
Like, I think that art is just something that
elicits an emotional reactionfrom you.
So whether or not you love oryou hate my pink house, you had
an emotion about it.
So therefore, I'm an artist andI created something that people
talk about, right?
So not every not everybody hasto love my pink house.
Um to make good art, you don'tnecessarily want to make art

(57:44):
that everybody's gonna love,right?
Then it just becomes commercial,right?
So it's a catalog, you're like acat, it's a catalog model.
Oh, everybody likes thatpicture, everybody likes that
tank top versus high fashion orvogue.

SPEAKER_01 (57:57):
That is such a cool way of looking at it.
I'm gonna backtrack to mydefinition before I forget.
Authenticity to me is who areyou when no one's looking?
Whenever I stop to think aboutthat, kind of take back to like
the brother days.
I don't know if that show'sstill around, but I watched a
tiny bit of it when I wasyounger.

(58:17):
And it stuck in my mind when Istarted this personal
development journey, when Istarted discovering neuroscience
and neuroplasticity and allthose things, I was just like,
who am I when nobody's looking?
And am I being her in front ofpeople?
And I fucking wasn't.
I was not allowing people to seehow weird I am, the sailor's

(58:38):
mouth, the um all the weird bitsabout me.
I was not allowing the world tosee that.
But it didn't like you weretalking about the lashing out,
like in the world see thateither.
And so um, me, it's are you whenno one's looking?
And what would you do with likewould you be without
consequence?
You know, feeling like you'vegot to stay in some whatever the

(59:01):
guidelines of being a human are,which if you figure it out, let
me know.
Because I this human thing ishard.
Um and I also think about itfrom this perspective that if
you do you car dance and carsing, and are you like your
stuff over?
Yeah, sing.
I heard certainly sing in thecar, that's for sure.
But you're in your own world,right?

(59:22):
And you're like, I'm in my safezone.
Nobody can you're in your ownworld.
And then you pull up to a redlight and you're like, no,
that's not authentic.
Like, so I think about that likea little authenticity test.
Like, who am I when nobody'slooking?
Should I keep like I keepdancing?
And I've started doing that forinstance.
Now it's like a challenge.
I'll like look and I'll be like,What's up?

(59:43):
You having a good day?
Like, we got bumping.
So that's what it means to me.
Um, tell me where everybody canfind you and like you got any
projects going on?
Can I catch you on TV?
Tell me all the things.

SPEAKER_00 (59:57):
Yeah, currently building a new house with my
partner.
So he's an architect.
So we're gonna build a house andmove in a year together, which
is really exciting andstressful.
Um, during that journey on myInstagram at the moment.
I'm at DIY Mom on Instagram.
I'm diymom.ca for my website.
My TV show all five seasons areavailable on trybinge.tv or on

(01:00:20):
my YouTube channel.
Um you Can binge and stream allfive seasons of the show and
just love to hear from people ifyou're connecting with me or
hearing about me for the firsttime and you want to reach out
to me on social media and sayhi, please do.
Um, easiest to get a hold of meon Instagram, that's for sure.
At diymom.ca.

(01:00:40):
Beautiful.
I gave you a follow today.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:43):
I'm so excited.
I try not to follow my folks tooahead of time because I get in
my head.
Especially when I start seeingthe number of followers, I'm
good enough to be interviewingthis goddess.
It kicks in for sure.
So I always give myself like, Idon't know, 45 minutes
beforehand.
But I love your page.

(01:01:03):
I love everything about you,especially your beautiful.
Is that red hair?
It looks like red hair, reddishhair.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:10):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:10):
So pretty.
But you've got like somebeautiful energy.
Um, and now I know I said Idon't watch a lot of TV, but now
I've got well, they're shortepisodes.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:21):
They're like an episode, so it's not hard to
binge an entire season.
And well, I was also gonna say,could you repeat for me where
it's at?
Yeah, you go to my website,diymom.ca.
It will take you right to myYouTube to which you can watch
the TV show or try binge.tv iswhere they're streaming it as

(01:01:42):
well, and you can get a free umtrial and watch uh the whole
whole season series there.
So I've really loved talking toyou today.
You're a great interviewer andso wonderful to talk to.
It's been very easy and fun.
And oh, thanks so much.
Yeah, recharging me for the restof my day.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:01):
Good.
Because you've got some mallwalking to do.

unknown (01:02:04):
That's right.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:07):
Well, thank you, Rebecca, so much for being on my
little old show, just womentalking shit.
It's been a lot of fun shootingthe shit with you today.
And I feel like I got a lot ofnew fresh perspectives.
I have a new show to watch.
And I've just really enjoyedconnecting with you as a woman.
It's been really great.
Thank you.

(01:02:27):
I appreciate that.
All right, y'all.
That is a wrap on Just WomenTalking Shit.
We've got Rebecca Higgs from DIYMom.ca.
Go check her out and give her afollow.
Thank you so much.
Thanks.

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