October 14, 2025 • 56 mins
Your pelvic floor is not a mystery—it’s a masterpiece of support, sensation, and stability that quietly shapes how you move, pee, and experience pleasure. We sit down with Heather Florio, CEO of Desert Harvest, to demystify the “hammock” of muscles that holds your organs, why tension often masquerades as strength, and how to fix pain without making it worse. From birth recovery to everyday stress, we map the signals of dysfunction—leaking, painful sex, low back aches—and share practical ways to release first, then rebuild.
Heather brings two decades of global education and research to the mic, translating clinical insights into everyday steps. We talk pelvic wands and why glass can be a cleaner, safer choice than silicone. We unpack tantric-informed breath and sensory pacing to calm the nervous system and increase orgasm quality. We even challenge a common myth: sometimes Kegels are the villain if your floor is already too tight. Consider this your toolkit for resolving hypertonicity, finding comfort, and restoring confidence.
Then we get chemical: vaginal pH and osmolality. You’ll learn why an isoosmolar lubricant around 290 mOsm/kg protects your epithelial barrier, how many popular lubes overshoot into tissue-damaging territory, and how to spot red flags on labels. We cover FDA clearance, biome-matched washes and wipes, smarter strategies for recurrent UTIs, and new, chemical-free period wear designed from aloe-based fabrics. Along the way, we tackle sexual shame, advocate for pelvic PT as standard prenatal care, and share ways to raise kids with body literacy and consent as their compass.
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SPEAKER_00 (00:00):
And hey Heather, how are you doing?
SPEAKER_01 (00:02):
I'm doing good.
How about yourself?
SPEAKER_00 (00:05):
Doing well.
Maybe peeling myself an orangewhile I get to know ya.
How's first off, where are youlocated?
I'm in Mississippi.
I'm in Colorado, in the U.S.
I always have to check becausesometimes I'll get people from
across the world and I'm like,whoa, I didn't know that was a
place.
So well, what's the weather liketoday in Colorado?
It's gorgeous.
SPEAKER_01 (00:25):
It's gonna be almost 70 degrees here today.
It's like, bring out the spring.
SPEAKER_00 (00:30):
Yes, I'm here for it.
I just started, I'm probablywell, I am late in the season,
but I started some seeds lastweek.
And so spring is probably myfavorite because it's I don't
know, it's so joyful.
All the little butterflies startcoming out and strawberries
soon.
Strawberries, yes.
I'm here for all the fruit forsure.
(00:51):
Oh, but I've always wanted tovisit Colorado.
Have you been there?
Is that where you're from?
SPEAKER_01 (00:57):
Yeah, I'm actually originally from here.
We lost our place in a fire in2013, and we've been bouncing
around the country and just cameback to Colorado at the
beginning of this year.
So full circle.
We were in North Carolina for awhile until I found out
humidity's not my thing.
SPEAKER_00 (01:15):
Um hate Mississippi so much.
SPEAKER_01 (01:18):
Oh, yeah.
North Carolina is enough, and mymy uh my family's in Tennessee,
so visiting them is enough.
So, but we went up to NewEngland, uh, where my husband's
from for a little while, andthen again, it was just let's go
back to Colorado.
SPEAKER_00 (01:34):
Well, cool.
If you will take just a momentto introduce yourself to my
wonderful audience of just womentalking shit.
I'm so honored to have you heretoday, and I can't wait to to
pick your brain on um what wasyou wanting to talk about and
then pelvic and sexual healthand all these kinds of things.
It's I don't know much about thepelvic floor in general, and
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I've had two babies, so I feellike I have a lot to learn
today.
But feel introduce yourself andjust tell us a little bit about
yourself.
SPEAKER_01 (02:03):
Yeah, definitely.
So my name is Heather Florida.
I'm the CEO of Desert Harvest,um, and we doing pelvic and
sexual health products, um,clinical research.
I do educational talks all overthe world, and so we've been
doing that now for about 31years.
We started in 1993, going on 32.
And um, and so we get the joy ofgetting to educate women all
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over the world about theirbodies and how to take care of
them, and then providing themwith the necessary tools to be
able to do so or directing themto the resources.
SPEAKER_00 (02:36):
So, are you the founder of this company?
I read something secondgenerational.
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (02:42):
So um we started, it was in high school in '93 when
it started.
And and so I I've been in someway or another, but it's a
company.
We just and uh in 2012, myparents uh were like I'm gonna
retire.
It's your turn to take over, anduh so I did, and I've loved
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every minute of it.
How freaking cool!
SPEAKER_00 (03:06):
I love that so much that your parents were able to
to leave for you and thatthere's somebody to take over.
Super cool.
SPEAKER_01 (03:12):
Yeah, my son's there now, so it's even better.
SPEAKER_00 (03:16):
So I love that.
That's like one of my dreams, istoo, however, it's long story
short, I'm a what we call like aserial entrepreneur.
I I just have for myself, and soI've throughout the years been
in several things, and I feellike everybody's um end game
that is to build some bigcompany and some big legacy and
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be able to leave that for theirkids and like bring them in.
So I think that's super cool.
Um when you were in I bet youdidn't think well, maybe you
did.
Did you ever think that youwould be in this industry or
like in sexual or anything likethat in general when you were
younger?
SPEAKER_01 (03:53):
Because I know what do you want to be when you grow
up, Heather?
So I love music and and so youknow I I you know started with
Desert Artist in 1993 and alwayshelped.
Um, you know, a conversation forme.
I was doing music.
I was working in the musicindustry, um, doing front house
operations for music event, um,venues, private events for
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musicians.
Um, I lived a whole other life.
And and then got a nine to fivejob and stopped working like
crazy audit, maybe getting sleepevery 72 hours.
Um, and so you know, I thinkchose like the perfect.
So, you know, during 2012, youknow, we're starting to slowly
eke out of our last economicrecession.
(04:40):
Most venues were shuttered,there wasn't a lot going on,
people weren't spending excesscash.
Um, and and my mother's like,you don't have a lot of work
anyway.
So, like, so you'd come herefull-time, take over, and let me
retire.
SPEAKER_00 (04:53):
Oh my gosh, super cool though.
It's it's interesting life playsout.
I'm always idiot so what whatwhat they would be when they
were little, and then what theyturn out to be.
Not not that everything would beso many things, but it's still
super cool to like just go andthink about it for a second.
Oh, well, where do we begin?
I what do you need to know as awoman about the pelvic region?
(05:19):
Because I I don't feel like Iknow a lot.
I feel like there's a lot goingon down there, but I don't know
much about it.
So it it is hammock.
SPEAKER_01 (05:28):
It is it's your hammock to all of your organs,
to your it's holding everythingin place.
So you've got to think howcritical that hammock is.
And and no matter what region,it's connected to your entire
musculoskeletal system.
So if you're sitting there andand in a different part of the
body, such as, for instance,with our pelvic wands, we work
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with a lot of the UK footballteams um in the UK, and they're
required to use our pelvic wandsbecause it gets them out on and
do pelvic floor physical therapybecause it gets them out onto
the field three times fasterthan if they had not done pelvic
floor physical therapy.
So and that's injury anywhere intheir body.
SPEAKER_00 (06:11):
Well, that's interesting.
What is a pelvic wand?
SPEAKER_01 (06:15):
Yeah, so um utilizing a wand, so we utilize
there are there are in themarket, but we actually were the
first to develop um a pelvic inthe early 2000s.
If we want to go back to sextoys, that's a different story.
But um you utilizing an actualpurpose.
But in this case, this is anS-curved wand, um, we typically
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e boresilic glass type, and thatis because it's completely
non-porous.
You can heat it, you can coolit, um, it's it's keep clean.
And whereas, you know, siliconewe typically see with our sex
toys, with other pelvic wandsthat exist out on the market
nowadays, um, you know, themedical-grade silicone.
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Well, even that medical gradesilicone all the time becomes
porous and over time begins todegrade.
And so, if you're not verycareful about how you clean
that, how you take care of it,um, you can introduce bacteria
into your vaginal biome.
And so as a result, um, withpelvic we're very um upfront,
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that is why we utilize glass forall of ours.
Um, and we're ready to introducesome new ones.
We actually just purchased umlast year a company called
Therouant, um, which was newbrand, and we liked um some of
the designs because they canalso work very well for sexual
function and hitting very deeptrigger spots and things like
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that, as well as reachingfurther back um pelvic floor.
And um, so we're in the middleof developing uh a few more as
well.
Right now we have the two, whichis one is a regular size, and
what pelvic wands utilize, Iguess I should start there a
little bit, is that they helpreduce um muscle.
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So your muscles, when you get aninjury, you're giving birth, um,
you're in a lot of pelvic pain,menastration, for instance,
every month, um, your yourbecomes like the it's you know,
tightened dish rag.
And as a result, that hypertonicpelvic floor needs to be
released and then strengthenedback up.
(08:22):
But when people start gettingpelvic pain, they start
thinking, oh, I need to go toKegels.
And that is not the case.
Um, if you're doing Kegels andyou have a hypertonic pelvic
floor, you are going to make theissue worse.
You have to be able to releasethe muscles and then strengthen
them back up with Kegel typeexercises.
SPEAKER_00 (08:42):
Okay.
If we go back to can what canyou explain to my audience what
like the actual floor is so wecan understand that a little
bit?
SPEAKER_01 (08:52):
Yeah, so definitely.
There are a variety of differentmuscles that have nerve endings
and they're all running and likeacting as sitting in your sac is
sacrum and literally holdingeverything in place.
And you've got your um levitatorani kind of is it's right there
kind of between you and youryour vaginal.
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And that is kind of the the thesweet spot in which everything
kind of connects.
So the perennium, let's say forinstance, when you're giving
birth can help that tissue, helpprevent tears, but also
utilizing pelvic floor physicaltherapy before you give birth
should be a requiredrequirement.
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Because what that does is whenyou have a stronger pelvic
floor, we see less issues andincidences afterwards in
clinical research ofendometriosis, uterine fibroids,
um, PCOS.
We see a lot of less, and thenwe see a lot less damage to the
pelvic floors because this, likeI said, is is holding in all of
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your organs, and this is all ofthe musculature that sits down
at that base, um, your root.
And and like I said over andover again, it is your hammock,
and so it is really importantthat you protect that hammock,
that you keep that hammocktoned, um, and that you
maintain, you know, use yoga,things like that.
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A lot of pelvic floor exercises,and even what you see as kegels,
are born out of yogic exercises.
Because if you think about it,you always have one part of your
body that's engaged, and youhave one part of your body in
yoga that is always relaxed.
And this is what you're tryingto achieve is a balance between
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strength and relaxation withinthe pelvic floor, so that then
you don't experience a lot ofpeople think that when they're
having they, you know, you canvery much radiating pain, and
you might think it's yourbladder.
Um, it could be coming from, youknow, your, you know, you many
different nerves runningdirectly through your pelvic
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floor, and and it via the vagusnerve also that runs as this
super highway that runs fromyour brain all the way to your
pelvic floor to root all the waydown.
And so this is this idea isfundamentally is this super
highway is communicating.
And if the strength of yourpelvic floor is is is gonna have
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radiating pain in all differenttypes of the body, um different
parts of body, as well as if youhave an injury in a different
part of your body, you mightfeel it in your pelvic floor.
So if you've ever thought oflike you have a car accident and
and you up and you're like, oh,I need a massage, I need to go
to a chiropractor, I needsomething.
Think of that happening to yourpelvic floor when something
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happens, when you have a traumato your body, even when you get
into a car accident, that pelvicfloor muscles are also tensing
up.
Um, and this creates a varietyof things, a variety of
different problems.
Even um, you know, calledvaginismus, in which your your
vagina is so tight, you can'teven the vaginal opening, the
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vestibule becomes so tight thatyou can't even put a tampon
inside of it.
Um that sounds painful.
That sounds it's horriblypainful, um, you know, for all
different types of reasons.
So addressing when I we and itin within that condition, you
really need to address both yourmental health and your pelvic
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health in that situation becausea lot of those are trauma-based.
Um it as a result of rape.
Um, we've seen there was a casestudy that I listened to once in
which a woman, um, this wasChristian, abstinence-based, she
grew up very much, you don'thave sex till marriage, and she
gets to that wedding night, andwhat happens?
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Her vagina just her vestibulejust closes up and says no.
Do you know it took her sevenyears to be able to have sex
with her husband as a result offear-based response?
So it's a matter of both psychpsychological help as well as
pelvic floor help to get her tothe point where they could get
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her, you know, her opening toopen.
SPEAKER_00 (13:18):
That is wild.
I'm I now understand much betterwhat it means when when someone
says pelvic, like pelvic, pelvichealth.
So what I after hearing all thatthough, that means that there's
good pelvic health and badpelvic health.
Okay.
So I'm how because when you saidsome of those things, I was
like, oh, holy shit, this kindof makes sense for me.
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I've joked with my husband anduh without two, like, well,
let's smash, here we go.
And we're talking about sexanyway.
One of his favorite things isthat I am so, I guess, in I
don't know if there's aprofessional word for that, but
like tight.
And like, I'm glad you likethat, but it's when it comes to
me, like I'm very uncomfortable.
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And I've always thought that uhmaybe it's like stress or or
something like that, but I justfeel constantly sucked in.
So when I hear women talk aboutdoing kegels, I'm like, I do
those permanently.
I feel like I'm like always verytense, you know?
So because these are things Inotice in myself, and it makes
it either very pleasurable ornot pleasurable because it can
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take a long time to getcomfortable and be able to
actually have intercourse.
Okay, now I'm thinking like,okay, there's something I talk
about.
But I know that probably otherwomen are going through that
too.
So what are what are signs ofbad?
I don't want to use the wordbad, but that our pelvic health
is not the best it could be.
SPEAKER_01 (14:43):
Um so definitely, you know, biggest things is is
first urinary leakage.
Urinary leakage is not normal,and most of the causes are
related to pelvic floordysfunction.
Um, and so you're leaking.
Um, there was a whole I alwaystry to use this as an example.
Helena Bonham Carter.
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She was filming Harry Potter asBellatrix, and she was
literally, she had just givenbirth uh the year before, and
she was literally just whoosh,leaking while she's filming,
can't stop.
Um uh there's a female, samething, leaking when she's
lifting.
That is not normal, and and thatis a sign, it is a clear, clear
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sign of floor dysfunction.
If you are having pain with sex,that is typically also a very
clear sign of pelvic floordysfunction.
Pain, sex and pain not besynonymous.
You should feel comfortable, andso like what you're talking
about, Glenn, with your husband,one of the things that is is I
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would run off the bat isincorporating some tantric
exercises before you engageactual and it and it but not
only that, it's also going toincrease the level of orgasm and
also make you feel much morerelaxed and much more
comfortable.
There are several that are justvery meditative practices.
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A good example I can just I'llbriefly describe is let's say
you and your husband, he he's hesits in bed, you know, pillows
propped up, you know, and and ina tantric practice, you want to
engage all of the senses.
So, so create some auditorystimulation, the music that gets
you in the mood, makes you feelgood, candles, lighting, mood,
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all of that play a veryimportant part.
And then when you get thosesenses, you know, kind of with
some prop pillows prop, youstraddle him.
Not nut no at this point.
It becomes about you two sinkingeach other and at the same time
calming your autotomic nervoussystem.
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So as a result, you canliterally start engaging where
he breathes out, you breathe in,and through engage back and
forth, so in and out, and youI'm sorry, through orally you're
you're doing this, you're doingit back and forth, so you're
almost taking in, and at thesame time, make sure that you're
connecting um, you know,visually, you're looking into
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others' eyes, and do that forabout like 21 breaths and and
create of calm and and peacebefore you age in sexual
practice, and this can also helpand to heighten sexual function.
The other thing that I recommendhighly that's also a tantric
practice, um, is but this willbe really for you, um, but it
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also can be for him to edge offhis orgasm as well, um, because
technically, um and and it aretwo separate things for a man,
and they should always they theyshouldn't always ejaculate
because it's as yeah, and thisis whoa, what's happening?
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You don't know the world at all.
It's it's it when it ejaculates,you've got to imagine there's so
much nutrients within um, youknow, their and as a result,
they're actually giving awaytheir energy, they're giving
away nutrients out of theirbody, they're giving power away.
So unless you're trying to makebabies, there is not a need for
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a man to always ejaculate.
There it is a need for him toorgasm, and men aren't taught
how to separate the two and howto create can, and that actually
is using their pelvic floormuscles to do kind of what is,
and that kind of helps if theylearn to kind of create that, it
increases their orgasm, but theycan also at that same time at
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that levator anni muscle, theycan also control that right
there themselves as well, inbetween their scrotum and their
anus, and that can help themfrom ejaculating.
And for you, one of the greatestthings is called ocean
breathing.
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And so, yeah, so I'll I'll sortof demonstrate just literally it
almost your orgasm, but thisactually calms your autotomic
nervous system.
So if you're getting tooheightened too fast, let's say
you can utilize this even inmasturbation.
So realize touch is veryimportant, touching all parts of
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your vulva, your labia majora,your labia minora, like all
touch everywhere.
Just go straight for theclitoris, don't go straight for
the vaginal opening.
You know, play, touch, and thenengage in clitoral stimulation.
And then you could actually backyourself back off.
Um, and it by you motionbreathing, which is literally
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like, and that's taking in adeep breath, letting it all out.
And and by doing, you can do itmultiple times and keep doing
that, you know, in yourautotomic nervous system, but
you're also holding off yourorgasm so that you can continue
stimulation and heighten yourorgasm at the same time, but
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also relaxing and calming thatpelvic floor.
SPEAKER_00 (20:22):
Carl, I'm gonna be my search history later is gonna
be so weird.
I'm gonna be looking up so muchshit.
Oh man, you just blew my mind inso many ways.
So we know now I know what apelvic floor is.
Um, I now know can orgasmwithout ejaculating.
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Didn't think I'd I've neverknown that.
Um, where do you go from here?
Okay, this all leads thecompany.
The company are now leading.
And so can you can you know moreabout how your company twines
together with all this and howyou're making a difference in
the world?
SPEAKER_01 (21:00):
Yeah, definitely.
Um, I'll start by a little bitgoing into the vagina.
Um and so one of the mostimportant things regarding um
vaginal health and is veryimportant for us.
So we started with one productspecifically for a bladder
disorder called interstitialcystitis.
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Um, that product is SSAVcapsules, they're currently
undergoing FDA drug approval.
Um, and we're really about that.
We've been working, andinterstitial cystitis is like
having a constant UTI that nevergoes away, debilitatingly
painful, the frequency beyondcompare, and and predominantly
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affects women, 25% men.
And so it's very important.
Um, you know, it for againobviously our demographic became
predominantly female.
Um, and so we creating andresearching and identifying
products and ingredients thatwould make a difference in the
vaginal biome.
We know that there is, you know,10 million products nowadays.
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It just it's just insane past 10years, how many products have
come out, you know, claimingthat they something like that.
I think I listened to one ofyour other podcasts where
someone was talking about likeeating something that makes your
vagina smell like pineapple orsomething.
And I was like, yeah, thatthat's like a perfect love
that's out there.
Just because someone tells youon a on as in social or on
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whatever that this product isgoing to do something for you,
doesn't mean it is.
And that goes for whether we'rejust talking sexual lubricants,
women's health, menopause,whatever that is, you're you're
being peddled everything underthe sun.
And there is there is simpleunderstand that our vaginal
health, when you look atproducts and you're looking at
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at what to choose to go insideyour vagina, two things are
very, very critical.
Most people know about pH, um,and that our vagina is acidic,
it's ideal uh pH for the vaginais right around 4.5.
Um, most products that are onthe market these days, whether
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we're talking soaps, even ifwe're talking about sperm, um,
it's all alkaline.
So constantly introducingproducts to our vaginal biome
that are alkaline and throwingoff our pH.
So that's number one.
But number two is osmolality.
And this is a conversation thatis not happening in our world
enough.
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Um, and in 2016, the truemedical study that has been done
was done by the World HealthOrganization for third country
sex workers.
And they were trying to figureout what they could do to reduce
the incidence of STIs and uhbacterial um and infections and
found that the osmolality iswhat prevented and helped with
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this.
And so osmolality is how youhave your vaginal wall and you
have your epithelial cell layer.
Your vaginal wall is yourprotective barrier inside your
vagina.
And if you start introducingingredients that are not what is
called isoosmolar, so isoosmolaris ideal osmolality for a
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woman's vagina is 290.
And you only want your productsthat insert into your vagina to
be plus or minus 80 points,according to the World Health
Organization.
And like I said, the only studythat's been done.
I will tell you right now, mostof the products that are out
there or in sexual lubricantsthat are on the market, very
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common names that you probablyknow and see in the store every
day, um 10,000, 9,000, 2,000.
This is their osmolality.
So what happens?
And then we have some, we havesome market that are like 80 um
for osmolality, like but thoseare hypoosmolar.
Was the like 10,000, 2000,9,000?
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Those are hyper osmolar.
So what that means is as whetheryou go hyper or hypo, your cells
begin to dry out as youcontinually introduce these
ingredients, and your vaginalwall literally falls out.
And you've just lost yourbarrier of protection to SDIs,
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bacteria, fungus.
You've just now given them asuper highway directly to embed
and to cause infection.
And the same thing happensanally as well.
Um, but the anus is moresensitive less to osmolality and
more to pH.
If you put in acidic, you'reyou're having fun and you're
playing everything else likethat, and you use an acidic
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vaginal lubricant and you put itin the anus, your epithelial
cell layer in your anusinstantaneously falls, does not
wait.
And and so the anus, completelyseparate of the vaginal biome,
the anus is alkaline.
And so you need to make surethat you're utilizing products
that that that are alkaline foranus, acidic, and and isoosmolar
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for the vagina.
SPEAKER_00 (26:13):
Okay, so what are we we go to the store, I guess
without mentioning any brandnames.
What are we looking for on boxesthen?
Because I mean, I got it came tomind and I'm like, oh bullshit.
I don't even know what to lookfor.
Like when we read, you know, wego in ingredients all the time,
or some of them just do.
What do we look for?
I wouldn't even know what tolook for.
SPEAKER_01 (26:33):
Here is a great thing for you um to look for.
So sexual products at all,sexual lubricants, anything that
you insert into the vagina,whether you're looking at
vaginal um probiotics, you'relooking at vaginal moisturizers
or things, anything that youinsert into the vagina is
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required to have what's calledan FDA clearance for as a
medical device.
And as a result, as part of thetesting to get the FDA medical
device clearance, you have to doosmolity testing and pH testing.
They have these numbers.
If they won't give them to you,and you reach out to the
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company, you email, you call,whatever, and they won't give
them to you, then that's a redflag.
Another red flag is there aremany companies out there that
you see now, if they don'tstrictly say sexual lubricant
and they say play oil, and theyonly mention vulvas or they only
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mention, you know, your womanparts.
Creative ways in which they aretrying to get around the FDA
compliance and not spend themoney to become FDA compliant
and make money off of justputting products out there.
So those are good indicators foryou if you just see people
talking about play and theydon't strictly call it a sexual
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lubricant and they cannotprovide you the osmolality or
the pH of their product, thoseare all red flags right there.
SPEAKER_00 (28:08):
So would this is this something to also like find
when we look at the box, though?
SPEAKER_01 (28:12):
No, because they're not gonna put it out there
unless they got a good number.
And I can tell you right now,ours, Allo Glide, it's on the
bottle.
It says 308, which is which isour natural sexual lure, natural
origin sexual lure.
And it it it's you know, pH andand there is one other brand
(28:33):
that I know out there on themarket that's probably on the
shelves, um, would be the onlybrand I'd recommend in the
United States.
And some allo glide, you calledit?
Yeah, Desert Harvest Allo Glide.
So it is a that is and um thereare the and I know that other
company as well also puts theirnumber on the bottom.
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Um that's that's a clearindicator.
They're not freely giving youthis information and putting
this information out there foryou to be an educated consumer,
all red flex.
SPEAKER_00 (29:07):
Yeah, uh again, I never never knew of that.
Just so you know, I will behaving a vagina wall.
SPEAKER_01 (29:15):
I did this, I did this.
They're like, are you saying mypussy's gonna fuck?
SPEAKER_00 (29:20):
Gotta ask.
And I'm extra careful with thebutt stuff.
SPEAKER_01 (29:24):
Yes, yes.
Do not it's it's even fun tostart playing and mixing and
matching toys and lubricants andeverything else like that.
SPEAKER_00 (29:31):
Don't dump dump stuff for them and then the
vaginal biome.
Oh my god.
God, that's just terrifying.
Terrifying.
Think about it so we're gonnareally visual no, she's just I
gotta went my whole life withouthearing that, but I needed to
know it.
So that's that.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (29:51):
But then we have like an array of other products.
We have uh uh aloe rebalance,which is uh natural origin
feminine wash.
You do.
Don't need anything to cleaninside the vagina, it's
self-cleaning, but the vulvajust kind of gives you that
sense and freshness that youmight not otherwise.
And by utilizing just a normalsoap that's alkaline, you could
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be exposing your biome toalkalinity with you know just
just transference.
You've got a big vaginal there.
Um so when you're washing,that's why we created um uh a
biomatched uh wash.
And then we have the aloe freshwipes, which are amazing, I
swear by these, because I havethem in my bathroom, my car, my
(30:33):
purse, pick a place, um, by mybedside, like because great
because they're made of aviscous, they're all natural
origin ingredients.
Um, they've got lactobacillus inthem.
So literally, you can just aftersex, um, after pelvic floor
physical therapy, void if youhave a UTI, just to kind of help
rebalance and keep them freshdown there for you.
SPEAKER_00 (30:56):
Sounds nice, sounds refreshing.
SPEAKER_01 (30:58):
Yes, and then we've got the pelvic floor tools as
well, like the pelvic ones Imentioned earlier.
Uh-huh.
Um, I did write a clinician atDuke University called the
Musculoskeletal Mystery, How toSolve Your Pelvic Floor
Symptoms.
That's available on our website.
And then we have an entiresupplement line that was made to
be bladder-friendly, which we'reactually excited here in two
(31:20):
months.
We have a new ingredient thatwe're getting ready to because
we know recurrent UTIs are acommon problem.
And the standardover-the-counter right now is D.
Which in clinical research onlyshows to bind to E.
coli bacteria, nothing else.
Um, and so we actually found aningredient in the wilds of
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Finland that binds to three, andrecent research shows
potentially two more, so a totalof five bacterias um that it
could bind to.
So this is gonna have, you know,four times or more that that you
would typically get just takingD mannos.
Um, and so we're excited about.
We also uh actually next week westart um our lunation, which are
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period.
Um, and we develop them becausethat one, we don't all have to
wear granny panties just becausewe're menstruating.
Um and and why can't we bebeautiful?
Why can't we make themcompletely chemical free?
Um, and so we made a new fabricout of aloe, our aloe plants in
our fields in Mexico, and so weactually developed a fabric.
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So aloe is naturallyantibacterial, antifungal,
antimicrobial.
We also utilized a ginger pieceof fabric to um deodorize, and
then we a whole bunch of bamboofabric as well for that soft
touch, and then a plant-basedlace that will kind of be
banded.
Really excited to bring thoseout because every batch of
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fabric that we get will be sentfor testing to show that no
chemical ever touched an inch ofthat fabric.
SPEAKER_00 (33:02):
That's incredible and good to hear because as a
mom, I'm finding out I don'tknow, it's like once you become
a mom, you actually you startlooking at in care.
Now I know about like red dyeand all these.
And I'm just like, and peopledon't we we just don't realize
how things are covered inchemicals.
Like if I got in if Ieverything, it seems like
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everything is just stuff fullfull of chemicals, even food,
and it's really scary.
SPEAKER_01 (33:30):
So yeah, what I recommend for products you're
looking for personal careproducts, always check the
environmental working group.
They have an amazing database ofthey check for chemicals and
they rate the product, uh, it'stoxicity of all the products on
their website.
And then for food, um, ofcourse, following the food babe
(33:52):
on on Instagram.
She is amazing, and she's theone advocating for our food
health and to get this crap outof our food.
So um definitely recommendfollowing her on as well, just
so that you can head towards aclean life.
SPEAKER_00 (34:08):
I will for sure do that.
There's an airplane flyingoverhead, so if you hear that,
just ignore that.
I never know if anybody can hearit or not.
It's real out to me, but not toeverybody else.
SPEAKER_01 (34:21):
I'm not hearing a thing.
You'll just have to makeairplane sounds to make me get
the gist of it.
SPEAKER_00 (34:26):
I think I'm very good at those.
Oh my gosh.
Oh my gosh.
So cool.
I think I have so much more tolearn about pelvic kelt still,
though.
And when you mentioned the wholeleaking thing, I've the only
leaking I've ever experiencedwas like after like after having
a like that little sneeze thing.
But it breaks my heart to thinkthat there are women that have
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to deal with like that, but on awhole level.
Like what you explained soundsterrible.
A leaking thing.
SPEAKER_01 (34:56):
Yeah, and it's awful.
And it and just after givingbirth, that that that is most
causes because in reality weshould all be having pelvic
floor physical therapy to beforegiving birth.
We actually did a whole campaignum um in the UK where you know
the the national health makingit a standard of care.
Of course, without havingsocialized medicine here, um,
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let alone good women's healthcare in general, like being able
to get that our system has beendifficult.
We're now working in Canada tohopefully be able to do the same
thing because you know it's it'svery important.
Go to the doctor and you'relike, okay, if you want to
breastfeed, here's a lactationspecialist, you need to take
these supplements, we need to doall these blood tests to look
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for genetic this.
Oh, and you need to go to pelvicfluorophysical therapy, let me
give you a referral.
In the UK, it's all in oneplace, so that there's an entire
pregnancy maternal care centerwhere you can get all of this
done in one place.
They have the PT, you go fromone room to the next room to the
next room.
What should be happening here inthe US?
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And it's not.
We need pelvic fluorophysicaltherapy to be part of the
standard of care for pregnancy.
SPEAKER_00 (36:08):
So interesting.
And like you said, it's not evenintroduced before pregnancy.
Uh like it's very new to me.
Friend mentioned that she wasgoing to like she was therapy
and that she also had to getpelvic floor therapy.
And I was like, I don't evenknow what that means.
Like no idea what that means.
SPEAKER_01 (36:25):
Most women don't ever be scared of it.
That's the one thing I say.
Like, yes, imagine yourself, andyou don't even have to go to the
point.
They can start by doing anexternal exam, especially
communicate with your clinician.
If you have trauma, if you havefear, let them know that when
you go in there, let them knowthat you are afraid.
(36:47):
You, you know, this is going toa typical um, you know, vaginal
exam for you.
That's very much what it's feellike on initial evaluation.
And if you have an amazingpelvic floor physical therapist,
they're gonna walk you throughthis process.
And as long as you keep thoselines of communication open
about what feels good, whatdoesn't, what you're comfortable
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with, what you're not whole ideais to get you to learn to get
you functional again and then toteach you how to take care of it
going forward.
SPEAKER_00 (37:18):
Okay.
Besides the leaking and besidespain during sex, are there any
like other common um things forto look for as far as having
abnormal pelvic help?
SPEAKER_01 (37:32):
There is a variety of things.
I mean, you could um friend, youwrite all the time.
Um you that that sitting on theseat all the time can actually
um cause pelvic floordysfunction.
So it can sometimes hurt to sit.
Um it you and you may, it's myspine, it's my back, and it's my
back, and you're like, no, it'syour pelvic floor, it's your
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understanding because and aswomen, we have so much going on
down there that it's hard toisolate.
Is this my pelvic floor?
Is this my bladder causing pain?
Is this my uterus causing pain?
Like, what is this my coloncausing pain?
What is causing pain here?
And isolating that can bedifficult as a woman, but going
to a pelvic floor physicaltherapist and learning how to
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feel your own musculature andand feel in there, you can feel
think of think of your vaginalopening, a clock, and you can
literally feel around based onthat clock, feel six o'clock,
feel three o'clock over here.
You can feel the differentmuscles and under begin to feel
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your own musculature, and thenat the same time, maybe grab a
handheld mirror, you know, thatmap your vulva vulva, and then
understand you can even, asyou're feeling there, get to
know your own body.
We are we are taught shame whenit comes to masturbation um in
our society, and and thisdoesn't necessarily be
(38:58):
masturbation, althoughmasturbation is also good for
you, but um, especially if youdon't have a partner, because
orgasming is part of health.
Sexual, this is part of yoursexual function.
And if you think about it againwith your pelvic floor, if
you're tensing up and beinglike, oh no, I can't have sex, I
can't have an orgasm, you tenseup and then you release and calm
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down.
And so orgasming can be a very,very good thing for you or your
pelvic floor.
And if you don't have a partner,there is nothing wrong with
self-pleasure.
And and also, even if you don'thave a partner, no matter what,
learn your body because we don'tdo it when we're young, we're
taught a level of shame.
We actually support a programcalled Raising Sexually Healthy
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Children.
Because from birth to nineyears, no, they do not see sex
like we as adults do.
They do not see our privateparts as oh, sex.
They don't think in that manner.
And so as a result, this is justan exploration of self.
What feels good on their body,what doesn't feel good on her
body.
Think about touching a stove.
(40:04):
Like you're like, oh, yep, I'mdoing that again.
But but at the same time, you'relike, oh wait, I want to do this
again.
Like my my I I had kept findingher daughter behind the couch.
And I actually praised herbecause she said, you know, she
stopped her husband because shewas she was masturbating.
She was, she was, you know, in asense, she was touching her, it
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felt good to her.
And she called it her happyflower.
And and and she saw like to gotouch happy flower or stuff like
that.
And and we have to think of, youknow, you have your child
bathtub, especially if, youknow, you're a mom and you got
the boy in the bathtub andthey're touching themselves and
you're like, don't do that,don't do that.
Doing from the very beginning,if you stop their
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self-exploration and it's safeand it's in a safe environment,
you're creating sexual shame forthem.
And and and it would be them tolearn and understand their
bodies, especially for a woman,because that creates a level of
empowerment when after 10 andand you know, you start to
become sex.
Oh, those boys look good, thosegirls look good, you know, and
(41:10):
and you begin that you areempowered because you understand
your body, and you're not likethis boy's touching me now, and
and do I want this?
You know, these whole of them,and instead you go into to a
sexual situation with a level ofempowerment and be like, no,
that doesn't work for me.
(41:30):
No, I do not want to do this.
Oh, or you go, oh, this is feelsgood.
This is where I want you.
SPEAKER_00 (41:36):
I love your perspective on that because a
lot of people do not see it thatway.
And we have can you hear me yet?
Okay, the do not disturb one.
Apologize about that.
Uh what I was saying, we have abig blended family.
I have a daughter from myprevious relationship, I have a
son with my husband, and he hasthree boys.
So, as you can imagine, there'sa lot of penis talk around here,
(41:59):
so much penis talk.
And my son is obsessed with hispenis, he's four, and I think it
is the funniest thing because heis so curious about it.
And our number one rule isbecause I, you know, my husband
or anybody be like, stop.
And I always wanted them to, andit's probably because I come
(42:20):
from that sexual shame and thattrauma of being in the Bible
belt, and I was made an exampleof when I lost my virginity in
the church and whatnot.
And so I have always told ourboys, my daughter, totally
normal, you're gonna love it oneday.
Just do it in the privacy ofyour own room.
(42:40):
Please, please don't give yourmom a heart attack.
Do it somewhere else, okay?
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (42:47):
That's exactly it.
It's you it's you're teaching,you don't have to tell them to
stop, but you can tell them timeand place.
You can tell them you are theyou are the you are teaching
them good to do things, when todo things, all in all different
kinds of cases.
And and and and masturbation isthey need to understand that she
was doing that behind the couchand there was a packed living
(43:09):
room, my friend's daughter.
Like, that might not be such agood thing.
Um, and we might be like, let'slet's talk about when this is
okay to do.
And when this is not okay to do.
It's it's it's even as a ch opencommunication with your
children, and that's wonderfulthat you're doing that with your
boys.
I always my boys are now, andand I had nothing, three boys,
(43:30):
and and they literally, I alwaysthey know more about a woman's
body than than most womenprobably know.
And and and you know, they canmy oldest son is married, and
you know, even with my daughter,I can be like, you know, I
learned this new to try this.
I you know, it they're they'reexperienced pleasure together.
(43:52):
And maybe my son doesn't want tohear it from his mom, but my
daughter-in-law is like, tell mewho cheat codes.
SPEAKER_00 (44:00):
Yeah, exactly.
Your mother, mother and lovely.
I bet.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (44:05):
So it's creating those omens of communication and
creating that level of comfortbecause when you the minute you
start shame, you can create alevel of unsafety for your
children, especially for women,um, that that navigate a world
not educated and they don't knowand might be coerced into things
that they might not feelcomfortable doing.
(44:27):
But if you because whether youtell no sex before marriage,
doesn't necessarily mean that'sgonna happen.
And if you don't give them thetools, even if you are, you
know, you you're Christian, youknow, religious be giving them
the power and the tools and theknowledge about their own body,
they're still gonna end up inthose situations at some point,
(44:50):
and you should give them thetools for success and
empowerment for their ownselves.
SPEAKER_00 (44:56):
Yeah, I it's didn't expect this note, but I think
it's empowering that it didbecause I know a lot of my
listeners are moms who havekids, and now listeners are
around the world, but as Biblebelt people, Mississippi ladies,
like we we struggle with thesethings.
What do we who do we talk to?
Like, because there's so much,there's much still, and I'm
(45:18):
like, I see it so, so, sodifferent.
SPEAKER_01 (45:21):
So different.
Whether, you know, I've talkedto an old woman and taught her
how to use an applicator andinsert it into her vagina
because she didn't know how touse an applicator.
Um, you know, I it all has aquestion she wants answered and
(45:42):
doesn't know where to go to getthose answers.
SPEAKER_00 (45:44):
Uh-huh.
Have you seen the GraysonFrankie?
SPEAKER_01 (45:49):
Oh, yes.
Yes, yes, yes.
I love actually did a show withLily Tomlin back in the day.
I love her.
Uh yeah, she actually I loved itbecause, you know, I I had uh
this particular venue.
I won't go into details, but Iwas in the green room and I
(46:10):
brought Lily something and wegot to chatting and I was
telling her a story because whenI was little, I was I
remembered, you know, the dayearly 80s, she did this skit
with um, and my parents took meto see her because she was
sitting in the you know, the biggiant chair and doing her comedy
skit.
And I I it never left even ayoung girl, and so I we were
(46:31):
chit-chatting about this.
My male boss comes in and likeyells at me and tells me to get
back to work andda-da-da-da-da-da.
And put in his like, she ohyeah, she saw she's she is very
female empowerment, and he's gotyou know, my male boss coming
telling me that that I'm wastingher time and T saw, like she's
(46:55):
not wasting my time, you'rewasting my time.
And like, I have loved coversthat moment, and I work a lot
with organizations that JaneFonda also supports.
So love, love, love long story.
SPEAKER_00 (47:07):
So cool from the beginning on the on this call
and talking about like the itbeing a family kept coming in.
And whenever uh Gracie Jane'scharacter created when they
started creating that the firstthe lube, but when she began to
masturbate and she was like, Myrip, she came back with like a
lock trist and they made theymade that vibe greater.
(47:30):
And so I'm so glad that you knewwhat I was talking about because
yeah, it's such a good show.
SPEAKER_01 (47:37):
Oh, it is, and I I highly recommend Unbound Love if
Unbound if you want sex toys.
Like they have some of the best,it's woman-owned.
Uh she's amazing, and and sosomeone is for some ultimate sex
toys that are made for women bywomen.
That's where I said okay.
SPEAKER_00 (47:58):
The more you know.
And we've we covered a lot inthis chat so much, like so much
stuff.
Oh, everybody can do, or if youwant to just give information on
the company.
Can you tell us where to findyou at so we can go find all the
things?
SPEAKER_01 (48:12):
Yes, definitely.
So um, you can definitely checkus on our website,
desertharvest.com.
Um, we don't do a lot of storesbecause we're recommended by
medical professionals a lot ofthe times, and patients order
directly from us, so we're inhospitals and farm, you know,
hospital-based pharmacies andthat.
So we don't do a lot of stores,but you can definitely order on
our website.
(48:33):
Um, you can give us time, we'reon Amazon, everything else like
that, of course.
The necessary evil.
But and the if you ever have anyquestions just related to female
health, you know, concerns, um,pelvic or stuff definitely reach
out to us at 800-22-3901.
We're not here just to takeorders, we're more than happy to
(48:56):
answer questions.
And all of my staff are amazing,educated, uh, you know, men and
women.
I'll get on to talk to a womanabout her, you know, vagina
vulva all day and and how to getit, and same kind of thing.
So you don't have to feel thatlevel of shame if you do get a
male when you call us, but andyou're definitely always welcome
(49:17):
to ask for a female if you want.
SPEAKER_00 (49:19):
Super cool.
It's been so wonderful havingyou on, Heather.
Oh, thank you so much,Jacqueline.
This has been fun.
Thank you.
I mean, it's the world for youto say that.
Well, we're back.
All I was gonna do was say itwas so great having you on, and
I'm gonna go check out thewebsite.
Oh, do please let me know.
I'm I'm very intrigued now.
(49:40):
Very intrigued.
Thank you again, listeners.
Go find them and thank you againfor being on the show.
SPEAKER_01 (49:48):
Thank you.
Have a wonderful, wonderful day.
Take care.
unknown (49:51):
Bye.
And hey Heather, how are you doing?
SPEAKER_01 (00:02):
I'm doing good.
How about yourself?
SPEAKER_00 (00:05):
Doing well.
Maybe peeling myself an orangewhile I get to know ya.
How's first off, where are youlocated?
I'm in Mississippi.
I'm in Colorado, in the U.S.
I always have to check becausesometimes I'll get people from
across the world and I'm like,whoa, I didn't know that was a
place.
So well, what's the weather liketoday in Colorado?
It's gorgeous.
SPEAKER_01 (00:25):
It's gonna be almost 70 degrees here today.
It's like, bring out the spring.
SPEAKER_00 (00:30):
Yes, I'm here for it.
I just started, I'm probablywell, I am late in the season,
but I started some seeds lastweek.
And so spring is probably myfavorite because it's I don't
know, it's so joyful.
All the little butterflies startcoming out and strawberries
soon.
Strawberries, yes.
I'm here for all the fruit forsure.
(00:51):
Oh, but I've always wanted tovisit Colorado.
Have you been there?
Is that where you're from?
SPEAKER_01 (00:57):
Yeah, I'm actually originally from here.
We lost our place in a fire in2013, and we've been bouncing
around the country and just cameback to Colorado at the
beginning of this year.
So full circle.
We were in North Carolina for awhile until I found out
humidity's not my thing.
SPEAKER_00 (01:15):
Um hate Mississippi so much.
SPEAKER_01 (01:18):
Oh, yeah.
North Carolina is enough, and mymy uh my family's in Tennessee,
so visiting them is enough.
So, but we went up to NewEngland, uh, where my husband's
from for a little while, andthen again, it was just let's go
back to Colorado.
SPEAKER_00 (01:34):
Well, cool.
If you will take just a momentto introduce yourself to my
wonderful audience of just womentalking shit.
I'm so honored to have you heretoday, and I can't wait to to
pick your brain on um what wasyou wanting to talk about and
then pelvic and sexual healthand all these kinds of things.
It's I don't know much about thepelvic floor in general, and
(01:56):
I've had two babies, so I feellike I have a lot to learn
today.
But feel introduce yourself andjust tell us a little bit about
yourself.
SPEAKER_01 (02:03):
Yeah, definitely.
So my name is Heather Florida.
I'm the CEO of Desert Harvest,um, and we doing pelvic and
sexual health products, um,clinical research.
I do educational talks all overthe world, and so we've been
doing that now for about 31years.
We started in 1993, going on 32.
And um, and so we get the joy ofgetting to educate women all
(02:28):
over the world about theirbodies and how to take care of
them, and then providing themwith the necessary tools to be
able to do so or directing themto the resources.
SPEAKER_00 (02:36):
So, are you the founder of this company?
I read something secondgenerational.
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (02:42):
So um we started, it was in high school in '93 when
it started.
And and so I I've been in someway or another, but it's a
company.
We just and uh in 2012, myparents uh were like I'm gonna
retire.
It's your turn to take over, anduh so I did, and I've loved
(03:02):
every minute of it.
How freaking cool!
SPEAKER_00 (03:06):
I love that so much that your parents were able to
to leave for you and thatthere's somebody to take over.
Super cool.
SPEAKER_01 (03:12):
Yeah, my son's there now, so it's even better.
SPEAKER_00 (03:16):
So I love that.
That's like one of my dreams, istoo, however, it's long story
short, I'm a what we call like aserial entrepreneur.
I I just have for myself, and soI've throughout the years been
in several things, and I feellike everybody's um end game
that is to build some bigcompany and some big legacy and
(03:36):
be able to leave that for theirkids and like bring them in.
So I think that's super cool.
Um when you were in I bet youdidn't think well, maybe you
did.
Did you ever think that youwould be in this industry or
like in sexual or anything likethat in general when you were
younger?
SPEAKER_01 (03:53):
Because I know what do you want to be when you grow
up, Heather?
So I love music and and so youknow I I you know started with
Desert Artist in 1993 and alwayshelped.
Um, you know, a conversation forme.
I was doing music.
I was working in the musicindustry, um, doing front house
operations for music event, um,venues, private events for
(04:17):
musicians.
Um, I lived a whole other life.
And and then got a nine to fivejob and stopped working like
crazy audit, maybe getting sleepevery 72 hours.
Um, and so you know, I thinkchose like the perfect.
So, you know, during 2012, youknow, we're starting to slowly
eke out of our last economicrecession.
(04:40):
Most venues were shuttered,there wasn't a lot going on,
people weren't spending excesscash.
Um, and and my mother's like,you don't have a lot of work
anyway.
So, like, so you'd come herefull-time, take over, and let me
retire.
SPEAKER_00 (04:53):
Oh my gosh, super cool though.
It's it's interesting life playsout.
I'm always idiot so what whatwhat they would be when they
were little, and then what theyturn out to be.
Not not that everything would beso many things, but it's still
super cool to like just go andthink about it for a second.
Oh, well, where do we begin?
I what do you need to know as awoman about the pelvic region?
(05:19):
Because I I don't feel like Iknow a lot.
I feel like there's a lot goingon down there, but I don't know
much about it.
So it it is hammock.
SPEAKER_01 (05:28):
It is it's your hammock to all of your organs,
to your it's holding everythingin place.
So you've got to think howcritical that hammock is.
And and no matter what region,it's connected to your entire
musculoskeletal system.
So if you're sitting there andand in a different part of the
body, such as, for instance,with our pelvic wands, we work
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with a lot of the UK footballteams um in the UK, and they're
required to use our pelvic wandsbecause it gets them out on and
do pelvic floor physical therapybecause it gets them out onto
the field three times fasterthan if they had not done pelvic
floor physical therapy.
So and that's injury anywhere intheir body.
SPEAKER_00 (06:11):
Well, that's interesting.
What is a pelvic wand?
SPEAKER_01 (06:15):
Yeah, so um utilizing a wand, so we utilize
there are there are in themarket, but we actually were the
first to develop um a pelvic inthe early 2000s.
If we want to go back to sextoys, that's a different story.
But um you utilizing an actualpurpose.
But in this case, this is anS-curved wand, um, we typically
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e boresilic glass type, and thatis because it's completely
non-porous.
You can heat it, you can coolit, um, it's it's keep clean.
And whereas, you know, siliconewe typically see with our sex
toys, with other pelvic wandsthat exist out on the market
nowadays, um, you know, themedical-grade silicone.
(06:57):
Well, even that medical gradesilicone all the time becomes
porous and over time begins todegrade.
And so, if you're not verycareful about how you clean
that, how you take care of it,um, you can introduce bacteria
into your vaginal biome.
And so as a result, um, withpelvic we're very um upfront,
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that is why we utilize glass forall of ours.
Um, and we're ready to introducesome new ones.
We actually just purchased umlast year a company called
Therouant, um, which was newbrand, and we liked um some of
the designs because they canalso work very well for sexual
function and hitting very deeptrigger spots and things like
(07:39):
that, as well as reachingfurther back um pelvic floor.
And um, so we're in the middleof developing uh a few more as
well.
Right now we have the two, whichis one is a regular size, and
what pelvic wands utilize, Iguess I should start there a
little bit, is that they helpreduce um muscle.
(08:01):
So your muscles, when you get aninjury, you're giving birth, um,
you're in a lot of pelvic pain,menastration, for instance,
every month, um, your yourbecomes like the it's you know,
tightened dish rag.
And as a result, that hypertonicpelvic floor needs to be
released and then strengthenedback up.
(08:22):
But when people start gettingpelvic pain, they start
thinking, oh, I need to go toKegels.
And that is not the case.
Um, if you're doing Kegels andyou have a hypertonic pelvic
floor, you are going to make theissue worse.
You have to be able to releasethe muscles and then strengthen
them back up with Kegel typeexercises.
SPEAKER_00 (08:42):
Okay.
If we go back to can what canyou explain to my audience what
like the actual floor is so wecan understand that a little
bit?
SPEAKER_01 (08:52):
Yeah, so definitely.
There are a variety of differentmuscles that have nerve endings
and they're all running and likeacting as sitting in your sac is
sacrum and literally holdingeverything in place.
And you've got your um levitatorani kind of is it's right there
kind of between you and youryour vaginal.
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And that is kind of the the thesweet spot in which everything
kind of connects.
So the perennium, let's say forinstance, when you're giving
birth can help that tissue, helpprevent tears, but also
utilizing pelvic floor physicaltherapy before you give birth
should be a requiredrequirement.
(09:36):
Because what that does is whenyou have a stronger pelvic
floor, we see less issues andincidences afterwards in
clinical research ofendometriosis, uterine fibroids,
um, PCOS.
We see a lot of less, and thenwe see a lot less damage to the
pelvic floors because this, likeI said, is is holding in all of
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your organs, and this is all ofthe musculature that sits down
at that base, um, your root.
And and like I said over andover again, it is your hammock,
and so it is really importantthat you protect that hammock,
that you keep that hammocktoned, um, and that you
maintain, you know, use yoga,things like that.
(10:22):
A lot of pelvic floor exercises,and even what you see as kegels,
are born out of yogic exercises.
Because if you think about it,you always have one part of your
body that's engaged, and youhave one part of your body in
yoga that is always relaxed.
And this is what you're tryingto achieve is a balance between
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strength and relaxation withinthe pelvic floor, so that then
you don't experience a lot ofpeople think that when they're
having they, you know, you canvery much radiating pain, and
you might think it's yourbladder.
Um, it could be coming from, youknow, your, you know, you many
different nerves runningdirectly through your pelvic
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floor, and and it via the vagusnerve also that runs as this
super highway that runs fromyour brain all the way to your
pelvic floor to root all the waydown.
And so this is this idea isfundamentally is this super
highway is communicating.
And if the strength of yourpelvic floor is is is gonna have
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radiating pain in all differenttypes of the body, um different
parts of body, as well as if youhave an injury in a different
part of your body, you mightfeel it in your pelvic floor.
So if you've ever thought oflike you have a car accident and
and you up and you're like, oh,I need a massage, I need to go
to a chiropractor, I needsomething.
Think of that happening to yourpelvic floor when something
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happens, when you have a traumato your body, even when you get
into a car accident, that pelvicfloor muscles are also tensing
up.
Um, and this creates a varietyof things, a variety of
different problems.
Even um, you know, calledvaginismus, in which your your
vagina is so tight, you can'teven the vaginal opening, the
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vestibule becomes so tight thatyou can't even put a tampon
inside of it.
Um that sounds painful.
That sounds it's horriblypainful, um, you know, for all
different types of reasons.
So addressing when I we and itin within that condition, you
really need to address both yourmental health and your pelvic
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health in that situation becausea lot of those are trauma-based.
Um it as a result of rape.
Um, we've seen there was a casestudy that I listened to once in
which a woman, um, this wasChristian, abstinence-based, she
grew up very much, you don'thave sex till marriage, and she
gets to that wedding night, andwhat happens?
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Her vagina just her vestibulejust closes up and says no.
Do you know it took her sevenyears to be able to have sex
with her husband as a result offear-based response?
So it's a matter of both psychpsychological help as well as
pelvic floor help to get her tothe point where they could get
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her, you know, her opening toopen.
SPEAKER_00 (13:18):
That is wild.
I'm I now understand much betterwhat it means when when someone
says pelvic, like pelvic, pelvichealth.
So what I after hearing all thatthough, that means that there's
good pelvic health and badpelvic health.
Okay.
So I'm how because when you saidsome of those things, I was
like, oh, holy shit, this kindof makes sense for me.
(13:40):
I've joked with my husband anduh without two, like, well,
let's smash, here we go.
And we're talking about sexanyway.
One of his favorite things isthat I am so, I guess, in I
don't know if there's aprofessional word for that, but
like tight.
And like, I'm glad you likethat, but it's when it comes to
me, like I'm very uncomfortable.
(14:02):
And I've always thought that uhmaybe it's like stress or or
something like that, but I justfeel constantly sucked in.
So when I hear women talk aboutdoing kegels, I'm like, I do
those permanently.
I feel like I'm like always verytense, you know?
So because these are things Inotice in myself, and it makes
it either very pleasurable ornot pleasurable because it can
(14:23):
take a long time to getcomfortable and be able to
actually have intercourse.
Okay, now I'm thinking like,okay, there's something I talk
about.
But I know that probably otherwomen are going through that
too.
So what are what are signs ofbad?
I don't want to use the wordbad, but that our pelvic health
is not the best it could be.
SPEAKER_01 (14:43):
Um so definitely, you know, biggest things is is
first urinary leakage.
Urinary leakage is not normal,and most of the causes are
related to pelvic floordysfunction.
Um, and so you're leaking.
Um, there was a whole I alwaystry to use this as an example.
Helena Bonham Carter.
(15:04):
She was filming Harry Potter asBellatrix, and she was
literally, she had just givenbirth uh the year before, and
she was literally just whoosh,leaking while she's filming,
can't stop.
Um uh there's a female, samething, leaking when she's
lifting.
That is not normal, and and thatis a sign, it is a clear, clear
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sign of floor dysfunction.
If you are having pain with sex,that is typically also a very
clear sign of pelvic floordysfunction.
Pain, sex and pain not besynonymous.
You should feel comfortable, andso like what you're talking
about, Glenn, with your husband,one of the things that is is I
(15:48):
would run off the bat isincorporating some tantric
exercises before you engageactual and it and it but not
only that, it's also going toincrease the level of orgasm and
also make you feel much morerelaxed and much more
comfortable.
There are several that are justvery meditative practices.
(16:09):
A good example I can just I'llbriefly describe is let's say
you and your husband, he he's hesits in bed, you know, pillows
propped up, you know, and and ina tantric practice, you want to
engage all of the senses.
So, so create some auditorystimulation, the music that gets
you in the mood, makes you feelgood, candles, lighting, mood,
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all of that play a veryimportant part.
And then when you get thosesenses, you know, kind of with
some prop pillows prop, youstraddle him.
Not nut no at this point.
It becomes about you two sinkingeach other and at the same time
calming your autotomic nervoussystem.
(16:54):
So as a result, you canliterally start engaging where
he breathes out, you breathe in,and through engage back and
forth, so in and out, and youI'm sorry, through orally you're
you're doing this, you're doingit back and forth, so you're
almost taking in, and at thesame time, make sure that you're
connecting um, you know,visually, you're looking into
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others' eyes, and do that forabout like 21 breaths and and
create of calm and and peacebefore you age in sexual
practice, and this can also helpand to heighten sexual function.
The other thing that I recommendhighly that's also a tantric
practice, um, is but this willbe really for you, um, but it
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also can be for him to edge offhis orgasm as well, um, because
technically, um and and it aretwo separate things for a man,
and they should always they theyshouldn't always ejaculate
because it's as yeah, and thisis whoa, what's happening?
(18:02):
You don't know the world at all.
It's it's it when it ejaculates,you've got to imagine there's so
much nutrients within um, youknow, their and as a result,
they're actually giving awaytheir energy, they're giving
away nutrients out of theirbody, they're giving power away.
So unless you're trying to makebabies, there is not a need for
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a man to always ejaculate.
There it is a need for him toorgasm, and men aren't taught
how to separate the two and howto create can, and that actually
is using their pelvic floormuscles to do kind of what is,
and that kind of helps if theylearn to kind of create that, it
increases their orgasm, but theycan also at that same time at
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that levator anni muscle, theycan also control that right
there themselves as well, inbetween their scrotum and their
anus, and that can help themfrom ejaculating.
And for you, one of the greatestthings is called ocean
breathing.
(19:12):
And so, yeah, so I'll I'll sortof demonstrate just literally it
almost your orgasm, but thisactually calms your autotomic
nervous system.
So if you're getting tooheightened too fast, let's say
you can utilize this even inmasturbation.
So realize touch is veryimportant, touching all parts of
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your vulva, your labia majora,your labia minora, like all
touch everywhere.
Just go straight for theclitoris, don't go straight for
the vaginal opening.
You know, play, touch, and thenengage in clitoral stimulation.
And then you could actually backyourself back off.
Um, and it by you motionbreathing, which is literally
(19:58):
like, and that's taking in adeep breath, letting it all out.
And and by doing, you can do itmultiple times and keep doing
that, you know, in yourautotomic nervous system, but
you're also holding off yourorgasm so that you can continue
stimulation and heighten yourorgasm at the same time, but
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also relaxing and calming thatpelvic floor.
SPEAKER_00 (20:22):
Carl, I'm gonna be my search history later is gonna
be so weird.
I'm gonna be looking up so muchshit.
Oh man, you just blew my mind inso many ways.
So we know now I know what apelvic floor is.
Um, I now know can orgasmwithout ejaculating.
(20:42):
Didn't think I'd I've neverknown that.
Um, where do you go from here?
Okay, this all leads thecompany.
The company are now leading.
And so can you can you know moreabout how your company twines
together with all this and howyou're making a difference in
the world?
SPEAKER_01 (21:00):
Yeah, definitely.
Um, I'll start by a little bitgoing into the vagina.
Um and so one of the mostimportant things regarding um
vaginal health and is veryimportant for us.
So we started with one productspecifically for a bladder
disorder called interstitialcystitis.
(21:21):
Um, that product is SSAVcapsules, they're currently
undergoing FDA drug approval.
Um, and we're really about that.
We've been working, andinterstitial cystitis is like
having a constant UTI that nevergoes away, debilitatingly
painful, the frequency beyondcompare, and and predominantly
(21:43):
affects women, 25% men.
And so it's very important.
Um, you know, it for againobviously our demographic became
predominantly female.
Um, and so we creating andresearching and identifying
products and ingredients thatwould make a difference in the
vaginal biome.
We know that there is, you know,10 million products nowadays.
(22:08):
It just it's just insane past 10years, how many products have
come out, you know, claimingthat they something like that.
I think I listened to one ofyour other podcasts where
someone was talking about likeeating something that makes your
vagina smell like pineapple orsomething.
And I was like, yeah, thatthat's like a perfect love
that's out there.
Just because someone tells youon a on as in social or on
(22:31):
whatever that this product isgoing to do something for you,
doesn't mean it is.
And that goes for whether we'rejust talking sexual lubricants,
women's health, menopause,whatever that is, you're you're
being peddled everything underthe sun.
And there is there is simpleunderstand that our vaginal
health, when you look atproducts and you're looking at
(22:54):
at what to choose to go insideyour vagina, two things are
very, very critical.
Most people know about pH, um,and that our vagina is acidic,
it's ideal uh pH for the vaginais right around 4.5.
Um, most products that are onthe market these days, whether
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we're talking soaps, even ifwe're talking about sperm, um,
it's all alkaline.
So constantly introducingproducts to our vaginal biome
that are alkaline and throwingoff our pH.
So that's number one.
But number two is osmolality.
And this is a conversation thatis not happening in our world
enough.
(23:35):
Um, and in 2016, the truemedical study that has been done
was done by the World HealthOrganization for third country
sex workers.
And they were trying to figureout what they could do to reduce
the incidence of STIs and uhbacterial um and infections and
found that the osmolality iswhat prevented and helped with
(23:59):
this.
And so osmolality is how youhave your vaginal wall and you
have your epithelial cell layer.
Your vaginal wall is yourprotective barrier inside your
vagina.
And if you start introducingingredients that are not what is
called isoosmolar, so isoosmolaris ideal osmolality for a
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woman's vagina is 290.
And you only want your productsthat insert into your vagina to
be plus or minus 80 points,according to the World Health
Organization.
And like I said, the only studythat's been done.
I will tell you right now, mostof the products that are out
there or in sexual lubricantsthat are on the market, very
(24:43):
common names that you probablyknow and see in the store every
day, um 10,000, 9,000, 2,000.
This is their osmolality.
So what happens?
And then we have some, we havesome market that are like 80 um
for osmolality, like but thoseare hypoosmolar.
Was the like 10,000, 2000,9,000?
(25:04):
Those are hyper osmolar.
So what that means is as whetheryou go hyper or hypo, your cells
begin to dry out as youcontinually introduce these
ingredients, and your vaginalwall literally falls out.
And you've just lost yourbarrier of protection to SDIs,
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bacteria, fungus.
You've just now given them asuper highway directly to embed
and to cause infection.
And the same thing happensanally as well.
Um, but the anus is moresensitive less to osmolality and
more to pH.
If you put in acidic, you'reyou're having fun and you're
playing everything else likethat, and you use an acidic
(25:47):
vaginal lubricant and you put itin the anus, your epithelial
cell layer in your anusinstantaneously falls, does not
wait.
And and so the anus, completelyseparate of the vaginal biome,
the anus is alkaline.
And so you need to make surethat you're utilizing products
that that that are alkaline foranus, acidic, and and isoosmolar
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for the vagina.
SPEAKER_00 (26:13):
Okay, so what are we we go to the store, I guess
without mentioning any brandnames.
What are we looking for on boxesthen?
Because I mean, I got it came tomind and I'm like, oh bullshit.
I don't even know what to lookfor.
Like when we read, you know, wego in ingredients all the time,
or some of them just do.
What do we look for?
I wouldn't even know what tolook for.
SPEAKER_01 (26:33):
Here is a great thing for you um to look for.
So sexual products at all,sexual lubricants, anything that
you insert into the vagina,whether you're looking at
vaginal um probiotics, you'relooking at vaginal moisturizers
or things, anything that youinsert into the vagina is
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required to have what's calledan FDA clearance for as a
medical device.
And as a result, as part of thetesting to get the FDA medical
device clearance, you have to doosmolity testing and pH testing.
They have these numbers.
If they won't give them to you,and you reach out to the
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company, you email, you call,whatever, and they won't give
them to you, then that's a redflag.
Another red flag is there aremany companies out there that
you see now, if they don'tstrictly say sexual lubricant
and they say play oil, and theyonly mention vulvas or they only
(27:36):
mention, you know, your womanparts.
Creative ways in which they aretrying to get around the FDA
compliance and not spend themoney to become FDA compliant
and make money off of justputting products out there.
So those are good indicators foryou if you just see people
talking about play and theydon't strictly call it a sexual
(28:00):
lubricant and they cannotprovide you the osmolality or
the pH of their product, thoseare all red flags right there.
SPEAKER_00 (28:08):
So would this is this something to also like find
when we look at the box, though?
SPEAKER_01 (28:12):
No, because they're not gonna put it out there
unless they got a good number.
And I can tell you right now,ours, Allo Glide, it's on the
bottle.
It says 308, which is which isour natural sexual lure, natural
origin sexual lure.
And it it it's you know, pH andand there is one other brand
(28:33):
that I know out there on themarket that's probably on the
shelves, um, would be the onlybrand I'd recommend in the
United States.
And some allo glide, you calledit?
Yeah, Desert Harvest Allo Glide.
So it is a that is and um thereare the and I know that other
company as well also puts theirnumber on the bottom.
(28:55):
Um that's that's a clearindicator.
They're not freely giving youthis information and putting
this information out there foryou to be an educated consumer,
all red flex.
SPEAKER_00 (29:07):
Yeah, uh again, I never never knew of that.
Just so you know, I will behaving a vagina wall.
SPEAKER_01 (29:15):
I did this, I did this.
They're like, are you saying mypussy's gonna fuck?
SPEAKER_00 (29:20):
Gotta ask.
And I'm extra careful with thebutt stuff.
SPEAKER_01 (29:24):
Yes, yes.
Do not it's it's even fun tostart playing and mixing and
matching toys and lubricants andeverything else like that.
SPEAKER_00 (29:31):
Don't dump dump stuff for them and then the
vaginal biome.
Oh my god.
God, that's just terrifying.
Terrifying.
Think about it so we're gonnareally visual no, she's just I
gotta went my whole life withouthearing that, but I needed to
know it.
So that's that.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (29:51):
But then we have like an array of other products.
We have uh uh aloe rebalance,which is uh natural origin
feminine wash.
You do.
Don't need anything to cleaninside the vagina, it's
self-cleaning, but the vulvajust kind of gives you that
sense and freshness that youmight not otherwise.
And by utilizing just a normalsoap that's alkaline, you could
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be exposing your biome toalkalinity with you know just
just transference.
You've got a big vaginal there.
Um so when you're washing,that's why we created um uh a
biomatched uh wash.
And then we have the aloe freshwipes, which are amazing, I
swear by these, because I havethem in my bathroom, my car, my
(30:33):
purse, pick a place, um, by mybedside, like because great
because they're made of aviscous, they're all natural
origin ingredients.
Um, they've got lactobacillus inthem.
So literally, you can just aftersex, um, after pelvic floor
physical therapy, void if youhave a UTI, just to kind of help
rebalance and keep them freshdown there for you.
SPEAKER_00 (30:56):
Sounds nice, sounds refreshing.
SPEAKER_01 (30:58):
Yes, and then we've got the pelvic floor tools as
well, like the pelvic ones Imentioned earlier.
Uh-huh.
Um, I did write a clinician atDuke University called the
Musculoskeletal Mystery, How toSolve Your Pelvic Floor
Symptoms.
That's available on our website.
And then we have an entiresupplement line that was made to
be bladder-friendly, which we'reactually excited here in two
(31:20):
months.
We have a new ingredient thatwe're getting ready to because
we know recurrent UTIs are acommon problem.
And the standardover-the-counter right now is D.
Which in clinical research onlyshows to bind to E.
coli bacteria, nothing else.
Um, and so we actually found aningredient in the wilds of
(31:41):
Finland that binds to three, andrecent research shows
potentially two more, so a totalof five bacterias um that it
could bind to.
So this is gonna have, you know,four times or more that that you
would typically get just takingD mannos.
Um, and so we're excited about.
We also uh actually next week westart um our lunation, which are
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period.
Um, and we develop them becausethat one, we don't all have to
wear granny panties just becausewe're menstruating.
Um and and why can't we bebeautiful?
Why can't we make themcompletely chemical free?
Um, and so we made a new fabricout of aloe, our aloe plants in
our fields in Mexico, and so weactually developed a fabric.
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So aloe is naturallyantibacterial, antifungal,
antimicrobial.
We also utilized a ginger pieceof fabric to um deodorize, and
then we a whole bunch of bamboofabric as well for that soft
touch, and then a plant-basedlace that will kind of be
banded.
Really excited to bring thoseout because every batch of
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fabric that we get will be sentfor testing to show that no
chemical ever touched an inch ofthat fabric.
SPEAKER_00 (33:02):
That's incredible and good to hear because as a
mom, I'm finding out I don'tknow, it's like once you become
a mom, you actually you startlooking at in care.
Now I know about like red dyeand all these.
And I'm just like, and peopledon't we we just don't realize
how things are covered inchemicals.
Like if I got in if Ieverything, it seems like
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everything is just stuff fullfull of chemicals, even food,
and it's really scary.
SPEAKER_01 (33:30):
So yeah, what I recommend for products you're
looking for personal careproducts, always check the
environmental working group.
They have an amazing database ofthey check for chemicals and
they rate the product, uh, it'stoxicity of all the products on
their website.
And then for food, um, ofcourse, following the food babe
(33:52):
on on Instagram.
She is amazing, and she's theone advocating for our food
health and to get this crap outof our food.
So um definitely recommendfollowing her on as well, just
so that you can head towards aclean life.
SPEAKER_00 (34:08):
I will for sure do that.
There's an airplane flyingoverhead, so if you hear that,
just ignore that.
I never know if anybody can hearit or not.
It's real out to me, but not toeverybody else.
SPEAKER_01 (34:21):
I'm not hearing a thing.
You'll just have to makeairplane sounds to make me get
the gist of it.
SPEAKER_00 (34:26):
I think I'm very good at those.
Oh my gosh.
Oh my gosh.
So cool.
I think I have so much more tolearn about pelvic kelt still,
though.
And when you mentioned the wholeleaking thing, I've the only
leaking I've ever experiencedwas like after like after having
a like that little sneeze thing.
But it breaks my heart to thinkthat there are women that have
(34:47):
to deal with like that, but on awhole level.
Like what you explained soundsterrible.
A leaking thing.
SPEAKER_01 (34:56):
Yeah, and it's awful.
And it and just after givingbirth, that that that is most
causes because in reality weshould all be having pelvic
floor physical therapy to beforegiving birth.
We actually did a whole campaignum um in the UK where you know
the the national health makingit a standard of care.
Of course, without havingsocialized medicine here, um,
(35:18):
let alone good women's healthcare in general, like being able
to get that our system has beendifficult.
We're now working in Canada tohopefully be able to do the same
thing because you know it's it'svery important.
Go to the doctor and you'relike, okay, if you want to
breastfeed, here's a lactationspecialist, you need to take
these supplements, we need to doall these blood tests to look
(35:40):
for genetic this.
Oh, and you need to go to pelvicfluorophysical therapy, let me
give you a referral.
In the UK, it's all in oneplace, so that there's an entire
pregnancy maternal care centerwhere you can get all of this
done in one place.
They have the PT, you go fromone room to the next room to the
next room.
What should be happening here inthe US?
(36:00):
And it's not.
We need pelvic fluorophysicaltherapy to be part of the
standard of care for pregnancy.
SPEAKER_00 (36:08):
So interesting.
And like you said, it's not evenintroduced before pregnancy.
Uh like it's very new to me.
Friend mentioned that she wasgoing to like she was therapy
and that she also had to getpelvic floor therapy.
And I was like, I don't evenknow what that means.
Like no idea what that means.
SPEAKER_01 (36:25):
Most women don't ever be scared of it.
That's the one thing I say.
Like, yes, imagine yourself, andyou don't even have to go to the
point.
They can start by doing anexternal exam, especially
communicate with your clinician.
If you have trauma, if you havefear, let them know that when
you go in there, let them knowthat you are afraid.
(36:47):
You, you know, this is going toa typical um, you know, vaginal
exam for you.
That's very much what it's feellike on initial evaluation.
And if you have an amazingpelvic floor physical therapist,
they're gonna walk you throughthis process.
And as long as you keep thoselines of communication open
about what feels good, whatdoesn't, what you're comfortable
(37:09):
with, what you're not whole ideais to get you to learn to get
you functional again and then toteach you how to take care of it
going forward.
SPEAKER_00 (37:18):
Okay.
Besides the leaking and besidespain during sex, are there any
like other common um things forto look for as far as having
abnormal pelvic help?
SPEAKER_01 (37:32):
There is a variety of things.
I mean, you could um friend, youwrite all the time.
Um you that that sitting on theseat all the time can actually
um cause pelvic floordysfunction.
So it can sometimes hurt to sit.
Um it you and you may, it's myspine, it's my back, and it's my
back, and you're like, no, it'syour pelvic floor, it's your
(37:52):
understanding because and aswomen, we have so much going on
down there that it's hard toisolate.
Is this my pelvic floor?
Is this my bladder causing pain?
Is this my uterus causing pain?
Like, what is this my coloncausing pain?
What is causing pain here?
And isolating that can bedifficult as a woman, but going
to a pelvic floor physicaltherapist and learning how to
(38:14):
feel your own musculature andand feel in there, you can feel
think of think of your vaginalopening, a clock, and you can
literally feel around based onthat clock, feel six o'clock,
feel three o'clock over here.
You can feel the differentmuscles and under begin to feel
(38:35):
your own musculature, and thenat the same time, maybe grab a
handheld mirror, you know, thatmap your vulva vulva, and then
understand you can even, asyou're feeling there, get to
know your own body.
We are we are taught shame whenit comes to masturbation um in
our society, and and thisdoesn't necessarily be
(38:58):
masturbation, althoughmasturbation is also good for
you, but um, especially if youdon't have a partner, because
orgasming is part of health.
Sexual, this is part of yoursexual function.
And if you think about it againwith your pelvic floor, if
you're tensing up and beinglike, oh no, I can't have sex, I
can't have an orgasm, you tenseup and then you release and calm
(39:19):
down.
And so orgasming can be a very,very good thing for you or your
pelvic floor.
And if you don't have a partner,there is nothing wrong with
self-pleasure.
And and also, even if you don'thave a partner, no matter what,
learn your body because we don'tdo it when we're young, we're
taught a level of shame.
We actually support a programcalled Raising Sexually Healthy
(39:43):
Children.
Because from birth to nineyears, no, they do not see sex
like we as adults do.
They do not see our privateparts as oh, sex.
They don't think in that manner.
And so as a result, this is justan exploration of self.
What feels good on their body,what doesn't feel good on her
body.
Think about touching a stove.
(40:04):
Like you're like, oh, yep, I'mdoing that again.
But but at the same time, you'relike, oh wait, I want to do this
again.
Like my my I I had kept findingher daughter behind the couch.
And I actually praised herbecause she said, you know, she
stopped her husband because shewas she was masturbating.
She was, she was, you know, in asense, she was touching her, it
(40:26):
felt good to her.
And she called it her happyflower.
And and and she saw like to gotouch happy flower or stuff like
that.
And and we have to think of, youknow, you have your child
bathtub, especially if, youknow, you're a mom and you got
the boy in the bathtub andthey're touching themselves and
you're like, don't do that,don't do that.
Doing from the very beginning,if you stop their
(40:47):
self-exploration and it's safeand it's in a safe environment,
you're creating sexual shame forthem.
And and and it would be them tolearn and understand their
bodies, especially for a woman,because that creates a level of
empowerment when after 10 andand you know, you start to
become sex.
Oh, those boys look good, thosegirls look good, you know, and
(41:10):
and you begin that you areempowered because you understand
your body, and you're not likethis boy's touching me now, and
and do I want this?
You know, these whole of them,and instead you go into to a
sexual situation with a level ofempowerment and be like, no,
that doesn't work for me.
(41:30):
No, I do not want to do this.
Oh, or you go, oh, this is feelsgood.
This is where I want you.
SPEAKER_00 (41:36):
I love your perspective on that because a
lot of people do not see it thatway.
And we have can you hear me yet?
Okay, the do not disturb one.
Apologize about that.
Uh what I was saying, we have abig blended family.
I have a daughter from myprevious relationship, I have a
son with my husband, and he hasthree boys.
So, as you can imagine, there'sa lot of penis talk around here,
(41:59):
so much penis talk.
And my son is obsessed with hispenis, he's four, and I think it
is the funniest thing because heis so curious about it.
And our number one rule isbecause I, you know, my husband
or anybody be like, stop.
And I always wanted them to, andit's probably because I come
(42:20):
from that sexual shame and thattrauma of being in the Bible
belt, and I was made an exampleof when I lost my virginity in
the church and whatnot.
And so I have always told ourboys, my daughter, totally
normal, you're gonna love it oneday.
Just do it in the privacy ofyour own room.
(42:40):
Please, please don't give yourmom a heart attack.
Do it somewhere else, okay?
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (42:47):
That's exactly it.
It's you it's you're teaching,you don't have to tell them to
stop, but you can tell them timeand place.
You can tell them you are theyou are the you are teaching
them good to do things, when todo things, all in all different
kinds of cases.
And and and and masturbation isthey need to understand that she
was doing that behind the couchand there was a packed living
(43:09):
room, my friend's daughter.
Like, that might not be such agood thing.
Um, and we might be like, let'slet's talk about when this is
okay to do.
And when this is not okay to do.
It's it's it's even as a ch opencommunication with your
children, and that's wonderfulthat you're doing that with your
boys.
I always my boys are now, andand I had nothing, three boys,
(43:30):
and and they literally, I alwaysthey know more about a woman's
body than than most womenprobably know.
And and and you know, they canmy oldest son is married, and
you know, even with my daughter,I can be like, you know, I
learned this new to try this.
I you know, it they're they'reexperienced pleasure together.
(43:52):
And maybe my son doesn't want tohear it from his mom, but my
daughter-in-law is like, tell mewho cheat codes.
SPEAKER_00 (44:00):
Yeah, exactly.
Your mother, mother and lovely.
I bet.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (44:05):
So it's creating those omens of communication and
creating that level of comfortbecause when you the minute you
start shame, you can create alevel of unsafety for your
children, especially for women,um, that that navigate a world
not educated and they don't knowand might be coerced into things
that they might not feelcomfortable doing.
(44:27):
But if you because whether youtell no sex before marriage,
doesn't necessarily mean that'sgonna happen.
And if you don't give them thetools, even if you are, you
know, you you're Christian, youknow, religious be giving them
the power and the tools and theknowledge about their own body,
they're still gonna end up inthose situations at some point,
(44:50):
and you should give them thetools for success and
empowerment for their ownselves.
SPEAKER_00 (44:56):
Yeah, I it's didn't expect this note, but I think
it's empowering that it didbecause I know a lot of my
listeners are moms who havekids, and now listeners are
around the world, but as Biblebelt people, Mississippi ladies,
like we we struggle with thesethings.
What do we who do we talk to?
Like, because there's so much,there's much still, and I'm
(45:18):
like, I see it so, so, sodifferent.
SPEAKER_01 (45:21):
So different.
Whether, you know, I've talkedto an old woman and taught her
how to use an applicator andinsert it into her vagina
because she didn't know how touse an applicator.
Um, you know, I it all has aquestion she wants answered and
(45:42):
doesn't know where to go to getthose answers.
SPEAKER_00 (45:44):
Uh-huh.
Have you seen the GraysonFrankie?
SPEAKER_01 (45:49):
Oh, yes.
Yes, yes, yes.
I love actually did a show withLily Tomlin back in the day.
I love her.
Uh yeah, she actually I loved itbecause, you know, I I had uh
this particular venue.
I won't go into details, but Iwas in the green room and I
(46:10):
brought Lily something and wegot to chatting and I was
telling her a story because whenI was little, I was I
remembered, you know, the dayearly 80s, she did this skit
with um, and my parents took meto see her because she was
sitting in the you know, the biggiant chair and doing her comedy
skit.
And I I it never left even ayoung girl, and so I we were
(46:31):
chit-chatting about this.
My male boss comes in and likeyells at me and tells me to get
back to work andda-da-da-da-da-da.
And put in his like, she ohyeah, she saw she's she is very
female empowerment, and he's gotyou know, my male boss coming
telling me that that I'm wastingher time and T saw, like she's
(46:55):
not wasting my time, you'rewasting my time.
And like, I have loved coversthat moment, and I work a lot
with organizations that JaneFonda also supports.
So love, love, love long story.
SPEAKER_00 (47:07):
So cool from the beginning on the on this call
and talking about like the itbeing a family kept coming in.
And whenever uh Gracie Jane'scharacter created when they
started creating that the firstthe lube, but when she began to
masturbate and she was like, Myrip, she came back with like a
lock trist and they made theymade that vibe greater.
(47:30):
And so I'm so glad that you knewwhat I was talking about because
yeah, it's such a good show.
SPEAKER_01 (47:37):
Oh, it is, and I I highly recommend Unbound Love if
Unbound if you want sex toys.
Like they have some of the best,it's woman-owned.
Uh she's amazing, and and sosomeone is for some ultimate sex
toys that are made for women bywomen.
That's where I said okay.
SPEAKER_00 (47:58):
The more you know.
And we've we covered a lot inthis chat so much, like so much
stuff.
Oh, everybody can do, or if youwant to just give information on
the company.
Can you tell us where to findyou at so we can go find all the
things?
SPEAKER_01 (48:12):
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So um, you can definitely checkus on our website,
desertharvest.com.
Um, we don't do a lot of storesbecause we're recommended by
medical professionals a lot ofthe times, and patients order
directly from us, so we're inhospitals and farm, you know,
hospital-based pharmacies andthat.
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our website.
(48:33):
Um, you can give us time, we'reon Amazon, everything else like
that, of course.
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But and the if you ever have anyquestions just related to female
health, you know, concerns, um,pelvic or stuff definitely reach
out to us at 800-22-3901.
We're not here just to takeorders, we're more than happy to
(48:56):
answer questions.
And all of my staff are amazing,educated, uh, you know, men and
women.
I'll get on to talk to a womanabout her, you know, vagina
vulva all day and and how to getit, and same kind of thing.
So you don't have to feel thatlevel of shame if you do get a
male when you call us, but andyou're definitely always welcome
(49:17):
to ask for a female if you want.
SPEAKER_00 (49:19):
Super cool.
It's been so wonderful havingyou on, Heather.
Oh, thank you so much,Jacqueline.
This has been fun.
Thank you.
I mean, it's the world for youto say that.
Well, we're back.
All I was gonna do was say itwas so great having you on, and
I'm gonna go check out thewebsite.
Oh, do please let me know.
I'm I'm very intrigued now.
(49:40):
Very intrigued.
Thank you again, listeners.
Go find them and thank you againfor being on the show.
SPEAKER_01 (49:48):
Thank you.
Have a wonderful, wonderful day.
Take care.
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Bye.
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