July 15, 2025 • 19 mins
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On this week's episode, Bob sits down with Lee Paul Hallada, a criminal defense and civil rights attorney, to discuss the critical issue of due process and the rights of individuals on American soil regardless of their immigration status. Various violations committed by ICE agents, the importance of remaining silent, and the essential measures individuals and businesses can take to protect themselves from unlawful actions. Learn about the importance of community education and support, and the need for legal professionals to stand up for their clients' civil rights.
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Welcome to this episode of the JusticeTeam Podcast on the Justice Team Network.
I am Bob Simon, your host, and todaywe're gonna be talking about what are
your rights as a person on American soil.
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We have on Lee Paul Alata, who isa criminal defense, civil rights
slash personal injury lawyerhere in Southern California.
Not so much civil rights, not too
much civil rights.
Um, it all
ties in.
I think it ties in because you'restill protecting their rights, but
I think as far as civil rights.
An attorney is the ones that will goafter the police officer or go after the
government agency for those violations.
But I guess I'm a civil rightsdefender if that's the case.
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And I think that's what over linescriminal immigration and that's why I keep
doing a lot of promoting of due process.
It's like it's basic and nota lot of people get that.
Yeah.
And
you've done some good social videos andI think this is actually the first time
we're meeting in person, but we DM andwe talk and I've seen, you know, we're.
We're mid-June 2025 whilewe're filming right now.
Just so people we're in Los Angeles area.
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You're in Long Beach, right?
Cerritos.
Cerritos, right.
So Southern California.
Yeah.
And you know, what we're seeing andhearing, and I think people have a lot
of questions like, what are my rights?
And that's, that's go from the rights, thepeople that are being affected right now.
First of what are you seeingand what are you hearing?
What are some types of violations orsome things that people should know.
Um, a lot of it comes to thepeople that are being stopped.
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They don't know.
The off that the officers or theICE agents are lying to them.
I've talked to a couple immigrationsbecause some people come to me like, oh,
they're just picking up the bad people.
No.
What it is, is they have the right,just like I say, think of like
whenever you hear criminal rights,you have the right to remain silent.
You can ask for an attorney.
I. You don't have to sign anything.
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'cause what's happening is theseICE agents are telling us they're
gonna take your kid away ifyou don't sign this document.
Wow.
Or, um, one, one person said,oh, this is for a COVID test.
We're just doing a COVID test.
And they're actually signing awaytheir, their rights to defend
themselves in immigration court.
And that.
So when people are sayingthat they're just tricking and
pulling these people in, no.
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They're lying to these people, andthe biggest thing is they don't know.
They don't have to sign anythingand they don't have to talk.
You'll see some socialmedia people run up.
No, don't say anything.
Don't say anything because they trulydon't have anything against you, but
they can make you sign that paperand says you're basically giving
away your rights to defend yourself.
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In a civil case.
I'm sorry, in an immigration case.
Wow.
I mean that's, and it's.
But, but people, just to be clear, people,if you're on American soil regardless,
immigration status, you have rights.
Yeah.
And I think there's a quote from,um, justice Scalia before he died,
saying even if you're undocumented,you're, you're, you have the right
to due process and that's guaranteed
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by the US Constitution.
Yeah.
And people think, oh,it's just a criminal case.
No.
Even if you have welfare and you havewelfare recipients are trying to take
away your welfare, you have due process.
It's not a full on.
Jury trial, but you have the right to knowwhat's against you and represent yourself.
And defend yourself before yourwelfare rights are taken away.
So this is the samething with immigration.
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It's, there's a different process,but you have that process.
Like I have an example of immigrationattorney that just told me where his
client, what's actually in process.
So if you run hispaperwork, he has a case.
So he, this guy actually, he gotpicked up and he showed me within
four hours, the guy's son showedhis dad's location in Tijuana.
Within four hours of four picked up hours.
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And we know it was, what, two anda half hours to get to San Diego
across the border within fourhours from when he was picked up.
He was, he was found in Tijuana.
And that's the thing I picked
up by ice.
Yeah.
Taken away.
Not, and my, and my client, um, myfriend was at the door downtown LA
Hey, I want to talk to my client.
Oh, they're saying, oh no,it's civil unrest out there.
We, we, we need to protect,like they're basically saying.
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All that fighting outside, it makes itdangerous for us to unlock the door to
let you come in and talk to your client.
Oh, Kaban.
Yeah.
And so what he says is just for thosepeople, if they do have that case,
there's actually appeals where theyappeal that deportation and they
actually order their person is orderedback to, to have their case heard.
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So, but yeah, it's um, I forgotwhat the question was, but um
Yeah, but it's due process.
Just explain for everybody, just.
As simple as you can, what isdue process in layman's terms?
Um, due process, I like to say is youget to heard what, what evidence is heard
against you, what case is against you, andyou have your right to defend yourself.
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Whether it's presenting documents,testimony, like in a cri, I, I always,
I keep going back to criminal case'cause somebody knows criminal,
they don't know immigration.
I just, I just talk about, like, say yourexample, you're fighting a. A murder case
or I was defending a, um, a robbery case.
And say for example, you're fightingyour case, Hey, you know what?
We, we don't have the body-worn camera.
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I had a case two years.
It, they were defendingthemselves for a year and a half.
They didn't have body-worn camera untilI showed up and my partner, and we
actually found body-worn camera, whichassisted in getting the case dismissed.
But, but due process.
Say for example, here's your charges.
Now defend yourself.
Well, let me gather the evidence.
Let me, let me have a hearing, whetherit's criminal, you have a trial or you
have immigration, you have a hearing.
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I. So what happens is you'reallowed to have that hearing.
Then it's determined yes or no.
Then you gotta go or not,but a violation due process.
What's happened to theseimmigration people?
Just like criminals.
Say you're fighting your case, you'rein court, you know, you know what we're,
you know we're, the case is closed.
We're taking you to state prison.
You're,
you're serving your sentencenow, seven years in state prison.
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But wait, I didn't, sorry.
We're you're, you're deportedor you're serving your sentence.
That's how I kind of,
yeah, that's the violation of it.
And that's what like, you know, youjust don't want somebody literally
put in prison without letting them.
Plead their case.
Right.
Well, imagine if they picked you upand they said, well, you, I mean,
you're a little lighter skinned.
'cause that's what they're doing.
They're going by the color.
Oh yeah.
I I call it WWB walking while brown.
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That's why they're picking people up.
Yeah.
And that's what my defensewas in that criminal case.
I was like, they were drivingwhile Hispanic in la I had a
case in l in Beverly Hills.
I, well, he was driving while black.
Yeah.
And that, I actuallysaid that to the judge.
Joe goes, you think that happens?
Oh yeah, yeah.
That happens.
It is like, yes.
And he, he actually scolded me saying,we're in California, we're different.
No, we're not different.
They're still there.
But the due process is like, forexample, you're a citizen, right?
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Imagine if they just picked youup and deported you, you and you.
They didn't ask you for your citizenship.
They didn't ask yourid, they deported you.
That's the due process allowsyou to say, Hey, I'm a citizen.
Hey, I have a right to be here.
Or the worst is whenpeople come for asylum.
There's people that if they go back totheir country, they will get killed.
And that's why they're allowed to come.
There's people, they come properly,they're fighting their case, and
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they have the right to addressthat case, address those issues.
What is your defense?
What are you accusing me of?
It's like kids, like if I'maccusing you of something, shouldn't
you be able to defend yourself?
Right?
Yeah.
And for PE, people cominghere for political asylum.
They're, they should be able to heartheir case before sending them back
where, you know, what will happen there?
They'll be dead.
Oh yeah.
And there's people that do it properly.
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They come to the border, Hey,I'm not crossing your line.
I'm not crossing illegally, butmy life is threatened back there.
And what the process is, you're supposedto bring 'em in, let 'em talk about
it, but now you're like, no, what?
We don't care.
Yeah.
Even if they've been here for years.
And I've seen some cases of that recently.
Um, so, and, and you know, somepeople say, well, you know.
Uh, there's, they, they can invokea right from the 1790s, a case of
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the, the, uh, the Alien, um, war Act.
No, it's not the, it's the, um, alienCriminal Act, and it's, they're saying,
well, because, you know, you can.
You could detain people and not havea reason, or not give due process.
And the Supreme Court, whichis mostly conservative, says
no, that law does not apply.
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It's only to be used during war time.
So if you're watching or listening andhear somebody say, well, there's this
law from the nine 1790s, it says thatthe, the administration could do it
because of the, the, the, the alien.
Um.
Wartime act or whatever it's called.
No, they can't.
They cannot.
It's the Supreme Court, which is mostlyconservative, says, no, you cannot.
The constitution says, no, you cannot.
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And that actually says you have tobe in time of war to do that with,
there's a, with the person, you'redeporting, there's a person deporting.
There's a a, a real threat out there.
Yes.
I'm sorry.
This guy's selling.
Um, an and fruit Yeah.
Is not the top threat.
I mean, that's my biggest peeve is.
Start at the top.
So, so let
me ask you this.
Do, are they, and the folks that you'vebeen helping and representing or the
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things you hear about through yournetwork is, are, are there, are these
criminals that they're going after?
No, they're, they're people that, forexample, he was talking about a case
where the guy was actually workingin a garage on private property.
And it was a construct, itwas a construction worker and
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all they did was drag him off.
My question is, is how do you know that'sa, how do you know it's a criminal when
you're picking 'em off by their skin?
They
don't, yeah, I saw a little videowhere the guy, the cop says, yeah,
you look like someone I'm looking for.
Can you gimme your id?
I,
so what do people do in that situationif somebody says that to you?
If, if, if, I would say, because myunderstanding is, unless there's a
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alleged crime, you don't even have togive your identification to the officers.
But again, you know,you gotta be reasonable.
You gotta be reasonable.
You can, um, if you're stopped inyour vehicle, you gotta give your ID
and your license, but you can say, Ihave the right to, I'm just invoking
my right to remain silent because Imean, simple as d UIs, anything you
say can and will be used against you.
I would just say be quiet.
What I'm trying to dois pass out cards like.
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As I drive around, if I see peopleworking construction, like, oh,
I'm, I'm, I have a residency.
They don't care.
They don't care.
And honestly, I, I'm, I may be lyprofiling people when I'm giving
'em my car because I see 'em dark.
Oh, here hold my card.
I don't know.
Crim, I don't know all immigration,but I know criminal, and at least
on the back of my car, it says,you have the right to remain.
You have the right to remain insilence, invoke all these rights.
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So, I'm sorry.
I, I, yeah.
And I would
tell everybody just, you know.
Film them.
Ask for your badgenumber, ask for your name.
And you know what I've seen effectivebeing done is, you know, when they're
wearing masks and not identifyingthemselves, film it and have
somebody with you call the policeand say, I'm here with somebody.
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Pretending to be a police officerthat's trying to take me, I need
help right away and film it all.
Because they're supposedto give that to you, right?
Aren't they supposed,yeah, they're supposed
to.
They're supposed to identifytheir, identify themselves with
their, the badge number or whatnot.
And honestly, I, I think some ofthese people were just coming from,
um, I remember back in, you see backwhen Arizona, they were trying to
like pick people off on their own.
'cause I, I reposteda clip a couple times.
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Everybody, there was somebodyfrom ICE that had cowboy hat on.
These are vigilantes.
Yeah.
I was like,
how did you get a cowboy hat?
Is that like, is thatUnited States issued?
Like, yeah.
But yeah, the best thing is donot talk, ask, um, be in groups.
Don't go out by yourself.
Um, and how,
how about like, how.
People are afraid.
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They're coming to their, their work.
What should they be doing?
What should the employers be doing?
What happens on private property?
Like what are people's rights?
Can they just go into your house?
No, they can't go into private property,which includes a business or your home.
With your home.
You just lock it.
Stay silent.
I say pretend they'relike door, door salesman.
Don't answer the door.
If you see someone come toyour house, don't even talk.
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You.
They don't have a right.
They have to show you a warrantbecause like I say, with any,
like, even like police cases.
Officers if they want to stop you andthey have a right, they're not gonna say,
sir, can I take that gun outta your hand?
No, they're gonna break down your door.
Take the gun outta your hand.
Anytime they ask is becausethey don't have the right.
So that's the the home.
Stay in your home.
Don't answer.
Um, just, just ignore them.
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And as far as businesses, youhave the right to protect that.
And I think there's alittle post going on.
It's a little spell check on the sign,but employers have the right to post.
You cannot come to this propertybasically saying this is private property.
If you're here for these ex,these certain reasons, you're
not allowed on this property.
Unfortunately, like my friend there,they took him right outta the garage
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when the guy was protecting himself.
But at least it helpsyour civil rights case.
Yeah, or your immigration casewhen you go counter to that.
But yes, private pro um, businesshave the private property.
It's the owners thatneed to put that sign up.
It's the owner.
And that's why I was talking about mycaseworkers with the case management.
We need to talk to all our insuranceproviders, make sure they have signs up.
Are they protecting the clientsthat are going for that treatment?
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Yeah.
And as you know for the, youknow, we have a lot of fear
with people that we represent.
And you know, whether they're hereillegally, they're still afraid because
they're like, am I gonna just show up andthey're gonna use some excuse to revoke my
legal citizenship and take me somewhere.
And I've seen insurance companiesweaponize this, literally tell lawyers
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that their case isn't worth anything.
'cause they're not here legally.
And then they go tell ice.
Talk about abusive process.
Yes, that's happening.
Oh my God.
Yes.
Well talk about you're gonna losebusiness if, I mean, I don't,
and and that's the whole thingthat started from the beginning.
A lot of attorneys are quiet on this.
Is it, are they, I I was gonna post,is there some Illuminati that I don't
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not know about that I should not besaying things or, but it goes to the
point of, yeah, you, you gotta, Ithink it has to build relationship
with those insurance companies.
Are you gonna, are you gonnareport deport people because Yeah,
unfortunately they're not protected.
I. You know?
Yeah.
Like, like they're protectedwith attorney-client privilege.
Yeah.
It's abuse of process.
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Anytime they use things in litigationto leverage it's abuse of process,
they'd have rights against them.
But like, here's the, the other thingthat I'll say is, you know, you see
during these times, who are the lawyersthat really care about the community
they represent and the other ones thatonly care about the cash in their pocket?
You can see at thesetimes who those folks are.
Yeah.
I mean, 'cause where since I'vestarted criminal offense, 80 to
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90% of my clients speak Spanish.
Mm-hmm.
And when I'm, when I talkedto 'em, I initially, I thought
I was offending people.
I was like, are you documenting?
What's your status?
And I don't want them to worrylike, oh, is he gonna judge me?
'cause I'm not a citizen?
I go, no, it depends,depends on your case.
But like you're saying, a lotof people are saying is you're,
you're, you're making money.
All these people on their clients,either civil or criminal, and
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now you're just shining them.
Now you're like, oh.
Like only when the money counts.
Only
when it counts.
But as
soon as your check's cashed,are you locking the door?
No, you're then, that'swhy I keep saying it.
And like I start, I'm starting todo more in Spanish because t like
Instagram, I don't know how thealgorithm does, it doesn't hit a lot of
people, but I notice TikTok hits a lot.
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So when you see me post in Spanish,90% of the people I know that
follow me, they speak English.
Right?
But what I'm doing is I'm copyand pasting TikTok because,
um, you just get random people.
I've getting random, I've gettingrandom cases from people that found
me on TikTok, but now I'm tryingto use that randomness to spread.
I love it because, yeah, you can'tbenefit from a Com community without.
Protecting them.
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Really care.
And that's what like, you know what I'vebeen, so I don't do criminal defense.
I do not do immigration.
So what we did with our quickly, I createdan AI voice intake that speaks every
language that speaks Spanish, that willthen route it to the lawyers that can help
you, like do what you can as veer a lawyerout there and give people the ability to.
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To be heard, to talk to somebodyvery quickly and have folks like
you quickly jump in and look.
I mean, this is, it's not easy work.
I mean, you've gotta be at thecourthouse constantly these days.
Yeah, well if, well I honestly, like90% of my case is RPI, but for the
criminal cases, I mostly, they're mostlybeen referral, but, but yeah, if even
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though I'm not an immigration attorney,I'd rather give you this's the thing.
I'd rather give you some advicethan you out there, because what
if I'm the only attorney, you know?
And you'll attorney follow.
I'd rather you say, Hey, due process.
If you call, I know an attorney,I know immigration attorney.
Put my whole, I'll refer out, but Ididn't know about, I, I kind of hear how
you refer out or what, but yeah, it's,
it's automatically routed.
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So like on attorney share, there'slawyers that are immigration criminal.
You could pick all yourpractice areas and then.
When they call, for instance, my firmthat has the voice AI intake, it knows
it's not something I specialize in.
It'll post it out to thosecommunities of lawyers.
So whoever's available can say,yes, I can accept this case.
You can then route the client tothem to help as fast as you can.
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Oh, I thought that wasonly like PI referrals.
I didn't know.
That's all.
That's great.
Criminal immigration.
Business litigation, mass tools.
But the
main thing I'm trying to do, and I noticepeople get all fight, fight fights.
Like my thing is, is like the peopleon the other side, there's some
people that do have hearts, right?
Yeah.
And they're, they don't know what, someoneactually reached out to me on Facebook is
like, I thought the me, I thought that'sall just media people, kids getting taken
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away from their parents, this, this,this, and, and then she didn't understand.
I explained to her whatdue process was just.
Oh, thank you for educating me.
So I'm trying to stay in thatmiddle ground because you
don't want to be this fighter.
You don't wanna be that person thatsay, see, that's in California.
And
yeah,
I'm trying to put the message out there.
You're we're protecting like Father's Day.
I was like, well, I was justthinking, I was talking to my wife.
I go, imagine you're, we're outthere working for your kids.
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You get taken away and your kidsare out there not being supportive.
How can a human being that that's a dad.
No, let let other dads betaken away from their kids.
So I'm trying to be softwhere they'll listen.
But not angry isn't if,
if there's no criminal record,by the way, isn't It isn't.
If you are undocumented, it's a civil,
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that's my understanding.
Yeah.
It's not even like
a cri, it's a civil thing.
So if they're, if you don't havea criminal history and you pick
them up, they're undocumented andthey have a family, why can't you
just put an ankle monitor on themand let them have due process?
Like, is that so hard?
No, it ankle monitoring will go off.
I mean, 'cause I do criminal defense.
We do that all the time for DUI cases,yes, you'll know where that person's at.
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You'll know when they take offand you're, and your phone, like
you're saying, the lease means.
That's kind of like when you're ona criminal case and you wanna go on
bail, what's the lease means necessary?
Do I have to have this guyin jail or can I put him on?
Um, can I, it's a, it should bethe same thing as ba as a bail.
You're saying, well, this personhas a criminal history and
he's violent and he can repeat.
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He's staying in jail versus,yeah, he stay in jail.
This person has no record, but westill wanna know where we're at.
Monitory.
That's like, that should whatit, that's what it should be.
I mean, that's
what it should be.
All right.
I mean.
Y thank you for coming on the show.
I think we're gonna have to be a repeatthing 'cause I don't think this is gonna
go away anytime soon, but reach out.
Uh, what's your, what's yourhandles on both of the things
I've mapped over?
It's Attorney Hall TikTok, Instagram,and I believe it's on Facebook.
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Yes.
Attorney Halla.
H-A-L-L-A-D.
So reach
out, dm. He does respond.
It helps educate and I know alot of people are just looking
for answers and what they can do.
Just have your lawyer, yourteam, on speed, dial record,
everything that you can.
Be vocal for your rights and record.
Yeah.
And don't say anythingthat you don't have to.
You don't have to say shit.
Yes.
And they will trick you.
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They can lie to you.
They will tell you yourkids are gonna take it away.
They will tell you if you go,your kids are gonna take it away,
or we'll take your possessions.
Or, oh, if you sign this, you'll get this.
Don't sign one document unlessyou're there with an attorney.
Wow.
Well, Lee Paul, thanks for coming on.
Thanks for coming on this episodeof the Justice Team Podcast
on the Justice Team Network.
Thank you for fighting the good fight.
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Thank you for inviting me.
I appreciate it.
Thank you for watching or listening.
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Welcome to this episode of the JusticeTeam Podcast on the Justice Team Network.
I am Bob Simon, your host, and todaywe're gonna be talking about what are
your rights as a person on American soil.
(00:44):
We have on Lee Paul Alata, who isa criminal defense, civil rights
slash personal injury lawyerhere in Southern California.
Not so much civil rights, not too
much civil rights.
Um, it all
ties in.
I think it ties in because you'restill protecting their rights, but
I think as far as civil rights.
An attorney is the ones that will goafter the police officer or go after the
government agency for those violations.
But I guess I'm a civil rightsdefender if that's the case.
(01:07):
And I think that's what over linescriminal immigration and that's why I keep
doing a lot of promoting of due process.
It's like it's basic and nota lot of people get that.
Yeah.
And
you've done some good social videos andI think this is actually the first time
we're meeting in person, but we DM andwe talk and I've seen, you know, we're.
We're mid-June 2025 whilewe're filming right now.
Just so people we're in Los Angeles area.
(01:30):
You're in Long Beach, right?
Cerritos.
Cerritos, right.
So Southern California.
Yeah.
And you know, what we're seeing andhearing, and I think people have a lot
of questions like, what are my rights?
And that's, that's go from the rights, thepeople that are being affected right now.
First of what are you seeingand what are you hearing?
What are some types of violations orsome things that people should know.
Um, a lot of it comes to thepeople that are being stopped.
(01:52):
They don't know.
The off that the officers or theICE agents are lying to them.
I've talked to a couple immigrationsbecause some people come to me like, oh,
they're just picking up the bad people.
No.
What it is, is they have the right,just like I say, think of like
whenever you hear criminal rights,you have the right to remain silent.
You can ask for an attorney.
I. You don't have to sign anything.
(02:13):
'cause what's happening is theseICE agents are telling us they're
gonna take your kid away ifyou don't sign this document.
Wow.
Or, um, one, one person said,oh, this is for a COVID test.
We're just doing a COVID test.
And they're actually signing awaytheir, their rights to defend
themselves in immigration court.
And that.
So when people are sayingthat they're just tricking and
pulling these people in, no.
(02:33):
They're lying to these people, andthe biggest thing is they don't know.
They don't have to sign anythingand they don't have to talk.
You'll see some socialmedia people run up.
No, don't say anything.
Don't say anything because they trulydon't have anything against you, but
they can make you sign that paperand says you're basically giving
away your rights to defend yourself.
(02:54):
In a civil case.
I'm sorry, in an immigration case.
Wow.
I mean that's, and it's.
But, but people, just to be clear, people,if you're on American soil regardless,
immigration status, you have rights.
Yeah.
And I think there's a quote from,um, justice Scalia before he died,
saying even if you're undocumented,you're, you're, you have the right
to due process and that's guaranteed
(03:16):
by the US Constitution.
Yeah.
And people think, oh,it's just a criminal case.
No.
Even if you have welfare and you havewelfare recipients are trying to take
away your welfare, you have due process.
It's not a full on.
Jury trial, but you have the right to knowwhat's against you and represent yourself.
And defend yourself before yourwelfare rights are taken away.
So this is the samething with immigration.
(03:37):
It's, there's a different process,but you have that process.
Like I have an example of immigrationattorney that just told me where his
client, what's actually in process.
So if you run hispaperwork, he has a case.
So he, this guy actually, he gotpicked up and he showed me within
four hours, the guy's son showedhis dad's location in Tijuana.
Within four hours of four picked up hours.
(03:57):
And we know it was, what, two anda half hours to get to San Diego
across the border within fourhours from when he was picked up.
He was, he was found in Tijuana.
And that's the thing I picked
up by ice.
Yeah.
Taken away.
Not, and my, and my client, um, myfriend was at the door downtown LA
Hey, I want to talk to my client.
Oh, they're saying, oh no,it's civil unrest out there.
We, we, we need to protect,like they're basically saying.
(04:19):
All that fighting outside, it makes itdangerous for us to unlock the door to
let you come in and talk to your client.
Oh, Kaban.
Yeah.
And so what he says is just for thosepeople, if they do have that case,
there's actually appeals where theyappeal that deportation and they
actually order their person is orderedback to, to have their case heard.
(04:39):
So, but yeah, it's um, I forgotwhat the question was, but um
Yeah, but it's due process.
Just explain for everybody, just.
As simple as you can, what isdue process in layman's terms?
Um, due process, I like to say is youget to heard what, what evidence is heard
against you, what case is against you, andyou have your right to defend yourself.
(05:00):
Whether it's presenting documents,testimony, like in a cri, I, I always,
I keep going back to criminal case'cause somebody knows criminal,
they don't know immigration.
I just, I just talk about, like, say yourexample, you're fighting a. A murder case
or I was defending a, um, a robbery case.
And say for example, you're fightingyour case, Hey, you know what?
We, we don't have the body-worn camera.
(05:21):
I had a case two years.
It, they were defendingthemselves for a year and a half.
They didn't have body-worn camera untilI showed up and my partner, and we
actually found body-worn camera, whichassisted in getting the case dismissed.
But, but due process.
Say for example, here's your charges.
Now defend yourself.
Well, let me gather the evidence.
Let me, let me have a hearing, whetherit's criminal, you have a trial or you
have immigration, you have a hearing.
(05:41):
I. So what happens is you'reallowed to have that hearing.
Then it's determined yes or no.
Then you gotta go or not,but a violation due process.
What's happened to theseimmigration people?
Just like criminals.
Say you're fighting your case, you'rein court, you know, you know what we're,
you know we're, the case is closed.
We're taking you to state prison.
You're,
you're serving your sentencenow, seven years in state prison.
(06:01):
But wait, I didn't, sorry.
We're you're, you're deportedor you're serving your sentence.
That's how I kind of,
yeah, that's the violation of it.
And that's what like, you know, youjust don't want somebody literally
put in prison without letting them.
Plead their case.
Right.
Well, imagine if they picked you upand they said, well, you, I mean,
you're a little lighter skinned.
'cause that's what they're doing.
They're going by the color.
Oh yeah.
I I call it WWB walking while brown.
(06:22):
That's why they're picking people up.
Yeah.
And that's what my defensewas in that criminal case.
I was like, they were drivingwhile Hispanic in la I had a
case in l in Beverly Hills.
I, well, he was driving while black.
Yeah.
And that, I actuallysaid that to the judge.
Joe goes, you think that happens?
Oh yeah, yeah.
That happens.
It is like, yes.
And he, he actually scolded me saying,we're in California, we're different.
No, we're not different.
They're still there.
But the due process is like, forexample, you're a citizen, right?
(06:45):
Imagine if they just picked youup and deported you, you and you.
They didn't ask you for your citizenship.
They didn't ask yourid, they deported you.
That's the due process allowsyou to say, Hey, I'm a citizen.
Hey, I have a right to be here.
Or the worst is whenpeople come for asylum.
There's people that if they go back totheir country, they will get killed.
And that's why they're allowed to come.
There's people, they come properly,they're fighting their case, and
(07:07):
they have the right to addressthat case, address those issues.
What is your defense?
What are you accusing me of?
It's like kids, like if I'maccusing you of something, shouldn't
you be able to defend yourself?
Right?
Yeah.
And for PE, people cominghere for political asylum.
They're, they should be able to heartheir case before sending them back
where, you know, what will happen there?
They'll be dead.
Oh yeah.
And there's people that do it properly.
(07:28):
They come to the border, Hey,I'm not crossing your line.
I'm not crossing illegally, butmy life is threatened back there.
And what the process is, you're supposedto bring 'em in, let 'em talk about
it, but now you're like, no, what?
We don't care.
Yeah.
Even if they've been here for years.
And I've seen some cases of that recently.
Um, so, and, and you know, somepeople say, well, you know.
Uh, there's, they, they can invokea right from the 1790s, a case of
(07:50):
the, the, uh, the Alien, um, war Act.
No, it's not the, it's the, um, alienCriminal Act, and it's, they're saying,
well, because, you know, you can.
You could detain people and not havea reason, or not give due process.
And the Supreme Court, whichis mostly conservative, says
no, that law does not apply.
(08:11):
It's only to be used during war time.
So if you're watching or listening andhear somebody say, well, there's this
law from the nine 1790s, it says thatthe, the administration could do it
because of the, the, the, the alien.
Um.
Wartime act or whatever it's called.
No, they can't.
They cannot.
It's the Supreme Court, which is mostlyconservative, says, no, you cannot.
The constitution says, no, you cannot.
(08:32):
And that actually says you have tobe in time of war to do that with,
there's a, with the person, you'redeporting, there's a person deporting.
There's a a, a real threat out there.
Yes.
I'm sorry.
This guy's selling.
Um, an and fruit Yeah.
Is not the top threat.
I mean, that's my biggest peeve is.
Start at the top.
So, so let
me ask you this.
Do, are they, and the folks that you'vebeen helping and representing or the
(08:55):
things you hear about through yournetwork is, are, are there, are these
criminals that they're going after?
No, they're, they're people that, forexample, he was talking about a case
where the guy was actually workingin a garage on private property.
And it was a construct, itwas a construction worker and
(09:15):
all they did was drag him off.
My question is, is how do you know that'sa, how do you know it's a criminal when
you're picking 'em off by their skin?
They
don't, yeah, I saw a little videowhere the guy, the cop says, yeah,
you look like someone I'm looking for.
Can you gimme your id?
I,
so what do people do in that situationif somebody says that to you?
If, if, if, I would say, because myunderstanding is, unless there's a
(09:39):
alleged crime, you don't even have togive your identification to the officers.
But again, you know,you gotta be reasonable.
You gotta be reasonable.
You can, um, if you're stopped inyour vehicle, you gotta give your ID
and your license, but you can say, Ihave the right to, I'm just invoking
my right to remain silent because Imean, simple as d UIs, anything you
say can and will be used against you.
I would just say be quiet.
What I'm trying to dois pass out cards like.
(10:01):
As I drive around, if I see peopleworking construction, like, oh,
I'm, I'm, I have a residency.
They don't care.
They don't care.
And honestly, I, I'm, I may be lyprofiling people when I'm giving
'em my car because I see 'em dark.
Oh, here hold my card.
I don't know.
Crim, I don't know all immigration,but I know criminal, and at least
on the back of my car, it says,you have the right to remain.
You have the right to remain insilence, invoke all these rights.
(10:21):
So, I'm sorry.
I, I, yeah.
And I would
tell everybody just, you know.
Film them.
Ask for your badgenumber, ask for your name.
And you know what I've seen effectivebeing done is, you know, when they're
wearing masks and not identifyingthemselves, film it and have
somebody with you call the policeand say, I'm here with somebody.
(10:42):
Pretending to be a police officerthat's trying to take me, I need
help right away and film it all.
Because they're supposedto give that to you, right?
Aren't they supposed,yeah, they're supposed
to.
They're supposed to identifytheir, identify themselves with
their, the badge number or whatnot.
And honestly, I, I think some ofthese people were just coming from,
um, I remember back in, you see backwhen Arizona, they were trying to
like pick people off on their own.
'cause I, I reposteda clip a couple times.
(11:04):
Everybody, there was somebodyfrom ICE that had cowboy hat on.
These are vigilantes.
Yeah.
I was like,
how did you get a cowboy hat?
Is that like, is thatUnited States issued?
Like, yeah.
But yeah, the best thing is donot talk, ask, um, be in groups.
Don't go out by yourself.
Um, and how,
how about like, how.
People are afraid.
(11:24):
They're coming to their, their work.
What should they be doing?
What should the employers be doing?
What happens on private property?
Like what are people's rights?
Can they just go into your house?
No, they can't go into private property,which includes a business or your home.
With your home.
You just lock it.
Stay silent.
I say pretend they'relike door, door salesman.
Don't answer the door.
If you see someone come toyour house, don't even talk.
(11:47):
You.
They don't have a right.
They have to show you a warrantbecause like I say, with any,
like, even like police cases.
Officers if they want to stop you andthey have a right, they're not gonna say,
sir, can I take that gun outta your hand?
No, they're gonna break down your door.
Take the gun outta your hand.
Anytime they ask is becausethey don't have the right.
So that's the the home.
Stay in your home.
Don't answer.
Um, just, just ignore them.
(12:07):
And as far as businesses, youhave the right to protect that.
And I think there's alittle post going on.
It's a little spell check on the sign,but employers have the right to post.
You cannot come to this propertybasically saying this is private property.
If you're here for these ex,these certain reasons, you're
not allowed on this property.
Unfortunately, like my friend there,they took him right outta the garage
(12:28):
when the guy was protecting himself.
But at least it helpsyour civil rights case.
Yeah, or your immigration casewhen you go counter to that.
But yes, private pro um, businesshave the private property.
It's the owners thatneed to put that sign up.
It's the owner.
And that's why I was talking about mycaseworkers with the case management.
We need to talk to all our insuranceproviders, make sure they have signs up.
Are they protecting the clientsthat are going for that treatment?
(12:51):
Yeah.
And as you know for the, youknow, we have a lot of fear
with people that we represent.
And you know, whether they're hereillegally, they're still afraid because
they're like, am I gonna just show up andthey're gonna use some excuse to revoke my
legal citizenship and take me somewhere.
And I've seen insurance companiesweaponize this, literally tell lawyers
(13:12):
that their case isn't worth anything.
'cause they're not here legally.
And then they go tell ice.
Talk about abusive process.
Yes, that's happening.
Oh my God.
Yes.
Well talk about you're gonna losebusiness if, I mean, I don't,
and and that's the whole thingthat started from the beginning.
A lot of attorneys are quiet on this.
Is it, are they, I I was gonna post,is there some Illuminati that I don't
(13:33):
not know about that I should not besaying things or, but it goes to the
point of, yeah, you, you gotta, Ithink it has to build relationship
with those insurance companies.
Are you gonna, are you gonnareport deport people because Yeah,
unfortunately they're not protected.
I. You know?
Yeah.
Like, like they're protectedwith attorney-client privilege.
Yeah.
It's abuse of process.
(13:54):
Anytime they use things in litigationto leverage it's abuse of process,
they'd have rights against them.
But like, here's the, the other thingthat I'll say is, you know, you see
during these times, who are the lawyersthat really care about the community
they represent and the other ones thatonly care about the cash in their pocket?
You can see at thesetimes who those folks are.
Yeah.
I mean, 'cause where since I'vestarted criminal offense, 80 to
(14:16):
90% of my clients speak Spanish.
Mm-hmm.
And when I'm, when I talkedto 'em, I initially, I thought
I was offending people.
I was like, are you documenting?
What's your status?
And I don't want them to worrylike, oh, is he gonna judge me?
'cause I'm not a citizen?
I go, no, it depends,depends on your case.
But like you're saying, a lotof people are saying is you're,
you're, you're making money.
All these people on their clients,either civil or criminal, and
(14:36):
now you're just shining them.
Now you're like, oh.
Like only when the money counts.
Only
when it counts.
But as
soon as your check's cashed,are you locking the door?
No, you're then, that'swhy I keep saying it.
And like I start, I'm starting todo more in Spanish because t like
Instagram, I don't know how thealgorithm does, it doesn't hit a lot of
people, but I notice TikTok hits a lot.
(14:57):
So when you see me post in Spanish,90% of the people I know that
follow me, they speak English.
Right?
But what I'm doing is I'm copyand pasting TikTok because,
um, you just get random people.
I've getting random, I've gettingrandom cases from people that found
me on TikTok, but now I'm tryingto use that randomness to spread.
I love it because, yeah, you can'tbenefit from a Com community without.
Protecting them.
(15:17):
Really care.
And that's what like, you know what I'vebeen, so I don't do criminal defense.
I do not do immigration.
So what we did with our quickly, I createdan AI voice intake that speaks every
language that speaks Spanish, that willthen route it to the lawyers that can help
you, like do what you can as veer a lawyerout there and give people the ability to.
(15:39):
To be heard, to talk to somebodyvery quickly and have folks like
you quickly jump in and look.
I mean, this is, it's not easy work.
I mean, you've gotta be at thecourthouse constantly these days.
Yeah, well if, well I honestly, like90% of my case is RPI, but for the
criminal cases, I mostly, they're mostlybeen referral, but, but yeah, if even
(15:59):
though I'm not an immigration attorney,I'd rather give you this's the thing.
I'd rather give you some advicethan you out there, because what
if I'm the only attorney, you know?
And you'll attorney follow.
I'd rather you say, Hey, due process.
If you call, I know an attorney,I know immigration attorney.
Put my whole, I'll refer out, but Ididn't know about, I, I kind of hear how
you refer out or what, but yeah, it's,
it's automatically routed.
(16:20):
So like on attorney share, there'slawyers that are immigration criminal.
You could pick all yourpractice areas and then.
When they call, for instance, my firmthat has the voice AI intake, it knows
it's not something I specialize in.
It'll post it out to thosecommunities of lawyers.
So whoever's available can say,yes, I can accept this case.
You can then route the client tothem to help as fast as you can.
(16:41):
Oh, I thought that wasonly like PI referrals.
I didn't know.
That's all.
That's great.
Criminal immigration.
Business litigation, mass tools.
But the
main thing I'm trying to do, and I noticepeople get all fight, fight fights.
Like my thing is, is like the peopleon the other side, there's some
people that do have hearts, right?
Yeah.
And they're, they don't know what, someoneactually reached out to me on Facebook is
like, I thought the me, I thought that'sall just media people, kids getting taken
(17:02):
away from their parents, this, this,this, and, and then she didn't understand.
I explained to her whatdue process was just.
Oh, thank you for educating me.
So I'm trying to stay in thatmiddle ground because you
don't want to be this fighter.
You don't wanna be that person thatsay, see, that's in California.
And
yeah,
I'm trying to put the message out there.
You're we're protecting like Father's Day.
I was like, well, I was justthinking, I was talking to my wife.
I go, imagine you're, we're outthere working for your kids.
(17:24):
You get taken away and your kidsare out there not being supportive.
How can a human being that that's a dad.
No, let let other dads betaken away from their kids.
So I'm trying to be softwhere they'll listen.
But not angry isn't if,
if there's no criminal record,by the way, isn't It isn't.
If you are undocumented, it's a civil,
(17:44):
that's my understanding.
Yeah.
It's not even like
a cri, it's a civil thing.
So if they're, if you don't havea criminal history and you pick
them up, they're undocumented andthey have a family, why can't you
just put an ankle monitor on themand let them have due process?
Like, is that so hard?
No, it ankle monitoring will go off.
I mean, 'cause I do criminal defense.
We do that all the time for DUI cases,yes, you'll know where that person's at.
(18:07):
You'll know when they take offand you're, and your phone, like
you're saying, the lease means.
That's kind of like when you're ona criminal case and you wanna go on
bail, what's the lease means necessary?
Do I have to have this guyin jail or can I put him on?
Um, can I, it's a, it should bethe same thing as ba as a bail.
You're saying, well, this personhas a criminal history and
he's violent and he can repeat.
(18:27):
He's staying in jail versus,yeah, he stay in jail.
This person has no record, but westill wanna know where we're at.
Monitory.
That's like, that should whatit, that's what it should be.
I mean, that's
what it should be.
All right.
I mean.
Y thank you for coming on the show.
I think we're gonna have to be a repeatthing 'cause I don't think this is gonna
go away anytime soon, but reach out.
Uh, what's your, what's yourhandles on both of the things
I've mapped over?
It's Attorney Hall TikTok, Instagram,and I believe it's on Facebook.
(18:48):
Yes.
Attorney Halla.
H-A-L-L-A-D.
So reach
out, dm. He does respond.
It helps educate and I know alot of people are just looking
for answers and what they can do.
Just have your lawyer, yourteam, on speed, dial record,
everything that you can.
Be vocal for your rights and record.
Yeah.
And don't say anythingthat you don't have to.
You don't have to say shit.
Yes.
And they will trick you.
(19:10):
They can lie to you.
They will tell you yourkids are gonna take it away.
They will tell you if you go,your kids are gonna take it away,
or we'll take your possessions.
Or, oh, if you sign this, you'll get this.
Don't sign one document unlessyou're there with an attorney.
Wow.
Well, Lee Paul, thanks for coming on.
Thanks for coming on this episodeof the Justice Team Podcast
on the Justice Team Network.
Thank you for fighting the good fight.
(19:32):
Thank you for inviting me.
I appreciate it.
Thank you for watching or listening.
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