October 29, 2024 • 43 mins
What if authenticity could be uncovered through book titles and AI? Join us as Moose shares her 100-day journey of self-discovery inspired by an exercise from her therapist, revealing how vulnerability and fear can lead to profound insights about ourselves. We celebrate the return of Producer Sara, whose voice and talents have been dearly missed, and revel in a heartwarming encounter with a colleague who praised us for speaking the unspeakable, leading to a debate about the joys and challenges of dining with strangers every week.
Our conversation takes an intriguing turn as we explore the world of animal communication with insights from Anna Breytenbach, who channels the consciousness of great white sharks. Kat reflects on how projecting joy and happiness might improve interactions with these misunderstood creatures, sparking a humorous discussion about our own fears of fast-crawling critters. Delving into modern politics, we examine the concept of the "October surprise," pondering its potential to shake up today’s political landscape and analyzing the steadfastness of public opinion.
Amidst personal struggles, we acknowledge the exhaustion of maintaining strength in the face of ongoing challenges and the quest for healthier coping mechanisms. As we navigate the complex tapestry of human emotion and resilience, we discuss the importance of finding genuine support and the desire to break free from traditional methods of coping. Join us for a heartfelt exploration of growth, introspection, and the pursuit of authenticity in a world that often demands otherwise.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to the Cat and Moose podcast.
I'm Cat and I'm Moose.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
This is a true life podcast where we explore the
quirks of being human.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Hey Cat, hey Moose, hey Sarah.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Hi We've missed you.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
I am here yeah, you're here and I am so here.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
I am happy about that people have said they missed
your voice, but they also saidthe production has been elevated
.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
Yes, yes, well, thank you.
Yeah, I had to show up somehowsome way.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Well, you you did, you did Like in in our last two
episodes, I went back andlistened to both of them more
than once, which is unusual forme because I wanted to just kind
of revel in how excellent yourproduction was.
Like I was like and then,listen to this and then listen
to this.
I'm like talking to myself inthe mirror going and now watch
she's going to do this.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
That's really great, that's great.
I love it.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Where have you been?
Oh, man, just around, I don'tknow.
I feel like it's probably beenwhat three weeks that I haven't
been on an episode, yeah, or atleast you haven't heard my voice
, but yeah, I don't know.
But yeah, I don't know.
I think it's usually schedulingsomehow, yeah, and I don't even
know.
(01:27):
Really I can't remember thatfar back, but I'm glad to be
here now and it's been funhearing you guys each week as
I've edited, because I wasn'tobviously in the room to hear it
ahead of time.
So it was just as much of asurprise to edit as it was for
each of you guys to hear.
It was just as much of asurprise to edit as it was for
each of you guys to hear.
But yeah, no, it's beenactually really fun to kind of
(01:49):
go back to the format of justaudio.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Yeah, for a little bit.
Yeah, it's like the OG yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Yeah, it's been cool.
Well, I love it.
I mean, I think right now, thisis what our schedules permit,
so we're doing what we can,right.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Right, right.
Well, and one of the thingsthat I just would love to
celebrate and I think that youguys have embodied it really
well, and I feel like I have toois that we've just tried to
really go with the flow.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Yeah, and it's like doing video every week at least.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
while this is not our full time job, is is just
almost impossible, because ittakes an hour or two to set up
on either side, and then ittakes another hour or two, sarah
, for you to edit, becausethere's additional layers.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
And way more than that, yeah, especially when
we're doing video.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
So I was really delighted.
I've been on the road a lot thepast few days, which is not
super consistent for me in thisseason of life, but it's just.
It's been a thing where I'veneeded to be out on the road and
I ran into a longtime colleaguethat I have not seen in
probably more than a decade anduh, and she came up to me and
she said I just want you to knowsomething.
(02:56):
And I said, okay, what's that?
And she said I listened to themoose and little cat podcast and
I was like, and I was like, oh,I mean, I think she's talking
about our podcast and it justlike I've never been called
little in my life.
So I just like, I was just very, and then I was like, well,
maybe I misheard her, anyway itdoesn't matter.
(03:18):
She was just giving praise andcompliments to the podcast and
the one that I wanted to tellyou guys about.
That was the most meaningful tome.
Um, I'm curious how you'llrespond to it.
Okay, okay, ready.
She says, okay, she goes.
The reason I love your podcastis because you.
No, no, she said, let me, letme see how she.
(03:41):
Let me, let me try to get intocharacter.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Yeah, hold it in.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
She goes OK.
The reason that I love yourpodcast is because you guys say
what we're afraid to think.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
Oh, we're afraid to yes.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Like I thought what an outstanding compliment she
didn't just say you say what.
We're afraid to think.
Yes, like I thought what anoutstanding compliment she
didn't just say you say what?
we're afraid to say.
She's like you say what, we'reafraid to even think, and it's
like it feels so good to havesomebody that and she goes and I
literally find myself going yes, yes, yes, and I said yeah.
So that's the thing that peopletell us the most is that they
(04:21):
find themselves yelling andpointing at their windshields
know they're like yeah, but youknow it's very funny, okay.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Okay, I've got our new tagline, you guys.
Okay, it's the cat and moosepodcast.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
Everyone's dirty little secret but you meant the
moose and little cat.
Podcast wait, but why?
Speaker 2 (04:43):
little cat.
Uh, that's just in her mind.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
That's just how she remembers the name of the
podcast yeah, and maybe it's howI remember the conversation and
it wasn't at all what she said.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
She's listening right now and she's like, actually
that's not at all what I said atleast it wasn't the big moose
and the little cat podcast.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
No it was not that.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
It was not that.
Okay, I have a question for youguys that is not very deep, and
yet it is deep.
Okay, I ran across an Instagramad for something that literally
made my mouth fall open.
I was going to say what did itmake your mouth?
Yeah, wow, I said that way,juicier than it sounded or than
(05:32):
it is.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
It made my mouth just .
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Okay, so I would like for you to look at this and
tell me, would you ever do thisin your lives?
I feel like I know the answers,but you tell me.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Have dinner with new people every Wednesday night.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
No, no, I would.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
What?
That was the opposite of what Ithought I would get from the
two of you.
Oh Okay, it's called Time Left.
Check it out.
Everyone, everyone, want to mixthings up a little on your
social life.
Join us for a unique diningexperience with five strangers,
all picked by our algorithm.
All handpicked sorry hand, asas opposed to just being picked.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
Right, right, somebody had to touch them.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
So, first of all, it's on Wednesday night, which
makes me think it's a Biblestudy, and it's like tricking
you into Bible study.
Yeah, like a singles group,yeah, but I don't think it's for
.
I think it's legitimately forjust fighting loneliness.
So I went on their website andthis was helpful for me as an
introvert.
Anyway, 10 tips for successfuldinner with strangers.
(06:49):
I just want to die right there,do you?
Speaker 4 (06:52):
guys, I love how full her wine glasses.
Tip number one fill your wineglass to the brim.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Sister, you're my people.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Get as drunk as you can before you go step one.
So it shares like kind of someobvious things active listening,
share authentically, askgenerously, look beyond
appearances, exercisediscernment, learn by
participating, drink moderatelySee, we're already out there.
(07:22):
Be inventive, express yourgratitude.
Yeah, I like this.
Yeah, but like in theory, Ithink this is such a cool idea.
It really is.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Yeah, I kind of I want to take back what I said.
I would enjoy doing this inthis season of life, right now.
It feels overwhelming to me.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Yeah, agreed.
Yeah, I definitely thought Katwas going to say yes and Sarah
was going to be like nope, butSarah has this social side.
When she, when she feels happyabout her life, that comes out
and surprises me and I do, tooLike I would do with you guys if
we could be three of the peoplefor sure.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
Well, and there's something I enjoy about
strangers they don't know you atall, so you can be whoever you
want to be with them.
You could be 100% yourself or100% not yourself.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Which makes me want to ask you Moose like how is
your 100 days of being authenticto your true and authentic self
?
How is that going?
Speaker 2 (08:26):
well, it's first.
It's 100 days, 100 days ofbeing myself, which, right now,
I'm in the phase of learning whoI am it's an important phase it
is and I am.
I've just been writing a ton, um, but one activity that my
(08:49):
therapist suggested that I try,and I thought this was so
creative because I kind of puther on the spot and I was like
give me something, give me anactivity that maybe you've done
before, that I could do.
And she's like okay, go to oneof your bookshelves, just pick
one of your shelves and take oneword from the title of each of
(09:10):
those books and then do whateveryou want with those words,
which I hate, open-ended stuff,I'm like.
Oh do whatever you want.
I need, I need to followdirections and I need to know
step-by-step.
So, uh, I picked my woo wooshelf a little woo woo, a little
, um, buddhist I guess.
(09:32):
But um, I Anyway, I took thewords, I picked a word that
meant the most to me out of eachtitle and then I asked chat GPT
, which I don't think this iswhat you're supposed to do when
you're getting to know yourself.
But I said, uh hi, chat GPT.
Um, what are these words mean?
And that's all I that was theonly prompt, and it wrote this
(09:55):
beautiful thing Uh, do you wantme to read it to you?
It's quite short.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
Yes, please.
What were the words first?
The?
Speaker 2 (10:03):
words were lives, uncover home, tiger, see
uncertainty.
Radical gift heart openness,interior start, scare,
untethered, loving, kindnesselements and taught okay,
(10:26):
excellent.
So here is what it said thegift of uncovering.
In the uncertainty of life, weuncover the truth of who we are.
I didn't give them any promptsrelated to who I am.
That's amazing.
Already like already, wow, Iknow.
Okay, let me start over.
In the uncertainty of life, weuncover the truth of who we are.
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We start often scared, like atiger, untethered from the
familiar, facing the wild,unknown.
But this is where the radicalgift of living fully begins when
we open our hearts, embracingthe elements of fear and hope
that dance with our interior.
Home is no longer a place but afeeling, one of loving,
(11:14):
kindness and openness toourselves.
We are taught through everychallenge, every leap, that in
seeing our own vulnerability,what we are living, a life that
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is both a journey and a gift,where the heart leads and the
soul follows what I know, wasthat Bashar?
Speaker 1 (11:52):
His sister Shashar.
Is this how scripture came tobe?
I think so, yeah.
I legitimately think so, yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
I legitimately think so Wow that was beautiful I
intentionally like.
I was just like all right, thatwas my one of my first journal
entries for my project, so I waslike okay, did you like write
it down verbatim?
Speaker 4 (12:16):
Oh yeah, into your journal?
Yeah, that's amazing.
Yeah, um, I want to challengeall of us to try that this week,
at some point this week, find abook on your shelf, whatever
you're drawn to pull out.
How many words was that?
12, a dozen?
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
I mean you could do five if you want it and just ask
chat GPT what it's trying totell you.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
Yeah, I think that could be really interesting, and
then, if you feel so inclined,send them our way and we'll read
them.
I would love it.
You don't have to include yourname, but it would be cool to
share, yep.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Home is no longer a place, but a feeling.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
That is amazing.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
And I'm thinking um a lot of what that says describes
in chinese five element theory,the water element.
Um, the water element has to dowith with the, the balance of
trust and fear, and a lot of ithas to do with like going inward
and assessing and home and kindof hibernating, you know.
(13:21):
So like a lot of that was, umwas really kind of shouting to
me and I, um the tiger part.
I view tigers as being sofierce and so strong.
I don't view tigers as beingscared in an unfamiliar
environment.
That's quite the paradox, isn'tit.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
I know, and it says we start often scared, like a
tiger, untethered from thefamiliar.
This is where the radical giftof living fully begins.
Wow Is the fear.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Dang yeah, man, that's awesome.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
That's amazing.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
That's, that's really cool and, sarah, I will accept
your challenge.
I I will definitely do this andcome prepared with my
philosophical genius.
Thanks to chat, gbt next week.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
Hey, I I don't know if we've mentioned this before,
but we talk about this in ourfriend group all the time, how
often we have conversations.
I end up having conversationswith chat GPT and I can see how
it's a slippery slope because itcould really feed into.
Maybe I'm going back to whatyou were saying about this
meeting new people, kind of asocial thing, but like it could
(14:35):
help lonely people, people whoare lonely and just wanting to
have a conversation.
For me it had.
Uh, my experience was like whenI was filling out um, job
applications or stuff or needingto do like a cover letter and
be like help me write this, likehere's some things about me,
blah, blah, blah, help me putthis into it, and then I'd be
like thanks, that's a reallygood job and they go good luck
(14:58):
on your interview.
Or, you know, it's just reallysweet to have like a very
encouraging conversation with.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
AI.
Wow, that's really I need to.
I need to use it more.
I really I use it very rarelyand when I have conversations
like this, I'm like, ah, whydon't I use this more?
Speaker 4 (15:15):
Yeah, it's yeah.
And then it's like two stepsaway from what's that show black
mirror.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
oh yeah, yeah, like we're dangerously close, you're
in love with a robot likebasically I remember watching
those movies and being likethat's so dumb it's never
possible.
But yeah, I could see how itcould be possible.
I have I have the like primopaid option, which you know it's
pretty amazing, so you can datepeople on it.
I think you could date.
(15:43):
I think that's one choice.
You can plug in your um, bumbleor whatever your dating app is
and it will create AI versionsof who you're like.
Oh, this is actually way better.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Well, and to me, like it makes me wonder.
I'm thinking of things from,like, an active listening
standpoint, Like when youbrought up that you know dinner
with five strangers.
That's one of the key things itsays to do right Is to actively
listen.
And and also, like in therapy,that's also a very therapeutic
technique it's to activelylisten to the client and
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sometimes even repeat back tothe client what they have said,
or at least do something thatthat says that like I hear you.
I hear that you said you thinkthe sky is purple.
Okay, you know, like, whateverit is in um, and it got me to
thinking that, like what if thereason chat GBT feels so good,
(16:37):
especially Sarah, like, like,like if, if we're needing um
companionship or encouragementor whatever, it's really just
feeding back our words to us,right?
Speaker 2 (16:48):
yeah, it's really just actively, I think, at some
point.
I mean it's a language learningmodel is what it is yeah, and
so, yeah, it's everything I'veever typed in there.
It's like, oh, she's definitelyon a soul search, you know,
like let's give her, let's giveher what she wants and she likes
poetry and she like, you know,yeah, so I, I do think it is a
(17:10):
little self-serving in some waysyeah, until you throw in like
monster trucks what was thatmole I had removed called?
Speaker 4 (17:19):
and then now you're also concerned about skin care.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Yeah, you start getting ads for for
pre-screening for rare anddangerous conditions well, this,
this makes me think ofsomething that one of our
listeners, um, wrote in about,and she was listening to an
episode of ours from severalepisodes ago where we were
talking about sharks and we weretalking about, you know, sharks
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attacking people and blah, blah, blah, and so she sent us this
YouTube link and she was like Iwould be curious for you to
check this person out.
She is an animal communicator,and so this person is very
similar to our friend daryl, whochannels bashar, like this
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person can channel theconsciousness of different
species of animals wow species,species, girls.
Can anybody name where that'sfrom?
Um and so, um.
So anyway, this animalcommunicator her name is anna
(18:27):
bratenbach, I think I'm I'msaying her last name correctly
um, and she basically was sayingthat she had a communication
with the consciousness of greatwhite sharks.
Whoa, oh, wow, that's cool.
And basically what she learnedfrom them is that they are very
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hungry because humankind hasdepleted a lot of their natural
food supply from the ocean.
So, like their favorite fish,their favorite stuff to eat,
there's just not as much of itas there used to be, like
millions of years ago, and sothey're just kind of really
hungry all the time.
And so what they do isenergetically, when they pick up
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on fear, competition, anythingthat's like a like vibration
happening in the ocean, theyswim toward it to eat it.
Well, because it acts like preyokay, because prey is afraid.
Like they're like oh shit, ashark is coming, I should be
very afraid, I'm gonna get myarm bitten off.
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And so the shark is like.
All the shark is thinking islike vibration.
That means maybe food vibration.
That means maybe food Vibration, that means maybe food, you
know.
And so it goes to the thing,and if the thing continues to
act like it's prey.
The only way that a shark hasto understand what it is
touching, smelling, the wholenine yards.
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The only sensory organ thatthey can really explore with is
their mouth.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
That's why they slam into it, so they just they bite.
I mean that's a little rude.
Yeah, it's not like they havehands.
Well, I mean it is, but it'swhen I bite people's head off,
they are not happy with this.
It's a little rude.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Right, it is, it is.
It's rude.
It's as rude as it is that weare invading their natural
habitat.
Agreed, because we need to gosurf or we need to go kayak, or
we need to go, you know,whatever the thing is, and so,
but wait a minute.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Why isn't it also our habitat?
Speaker 1 (20:30):
I mean, it can be, it can't, and I'm gonna get to
that, I'm gonna get to wherethis is gonna resolve in a
harmonious Do you want me to letyou finish.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
That would be awesome .
Active listening Got it.
Okay, yeah, that would beawesome.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
So, anyway, so what this woman was saying is that
the shark consciousness wastelling her that if people were
to give off vibrations of beinghappy, of being joyful, to enjoy
their environment, to sharetheir environment with them, but
it would not attract them tothem because it would be
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harmonious with what's alreadygoing on in their consciousness,
like they don't swim aroundgoing man, I hope there's a
human I can bite their arm offtoday.
And she said that the sharkconsciousness even told her that
we taste horrible.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
I bet we do.
We've got some nasty asschemicals in our preserve Right.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Are they eating us, like digesting us?
Well, they're tasting becausethey're exploring with their
mouth.
So, they're not like going like, I'm hungry so I'm going to go
eat cat's leg.
Yeah, yeah, they're not likeour chicken lady oh my god, so
much here I.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
That just makes me more and more afraid to go into
the ocean.
Yeah, because I definitely giveoff vibes of fear wherever I go
and just in general.
yeah, just in general.
So if I even try and groundmyself, I don't like going in
the ocean anymore.
I'm sorry, I just don't.
I'll go in a lake, but even alake, if something bumps into me
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, I start freaking out Nope, um.
So that's why I like to go tolike Lake Michigan, where it
feels like an ocean but butthere's some big ass shit in
there too.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Yeah, I bet I bet there is.
I mean I bet got shit in theretoo.
Yeah, I bet I bet there is.
I mean I bet I bet there's hugeass shit in there.
And um, I I just want to saythat this animal communicator
said from the consciousness ofthe sharks that if we were to
create an energetic bubblearound ourselves, um of joy and
happiness and exploration andcontemplation and like all the
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wonderful human ways that we canbe, that literally like sharks
would be happy to just come andhang out with us and swim with
us.
And she's got this footage ofherself being underwater with
like 10 sharks and they'recoming up to her and she's like
scratching their chin and like,yeah, it feels so good these
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huge sharks, and it just kind ofmade me go like man humans
challenging you know, and Ithought it fit in.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
And imagine if you brought that bubble of joy and
happiness into your life.
Forget the sharks, right.
What if you just did that?
Speaker 4 (23:17):
Right See how other humans react, right Right.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Start with your own species.
Stay the hell out of my ocean.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
You know, I, yeah, I have a big fear of sharks, but
you know what I um?
First, well, the couple ofthings.
There's a lot going on in thisADHD mind of mine.
First thing is, you know, whenyou listen to the Cat and Moose
podcast, you could be talkingabout Christ consciousness and
you could be talking about sharkconsciousness, like that's how
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diverse we are.
Sure, yeah, yeah, that's thefirst thing happening.
Secondly, the thing that I fearmore than sharks are alligators
.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
Same, Crocodiles yeah , does that fall in the same
category?
Speaker 2 (24:00):
It doesn't matter if they look like that and they can
run the way they run.
Yeah, I mean the way they justlike charge at you and I just
have a problem with any speciescrawling, unless you're an
insect.
Like you know, my biggest fearin every horror movie is like a
child, fast crawling on theirarms and legs.
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I mean literally, you just wantme to die.
Just hide in my house and do afast crawl or have your child do
it I will, I will pass out on.
I may not make it.
I really, because that is thescariest thing ever.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Like can we just can we?
Are you comfortable sittingwith that for a minute?
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Yes, let's unpack it.
I would love to unpack it.
I'll take any free therapy,whether you're licensed or not
for it.
That's who we are.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
I'm just curious, like do you remember where you
were, where this, this fearappeared the first time in your
life?
Speaker 2 (25:02):
uh, the first time um , not the first time I remember
the most recent.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Okay, okay, we can start there.
That's great.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
It probably has something to do with those
little porcelain dolls?
Oh no, no, it's coming clear.
Look, you just got to givespace guys.
Chucky, I think Chucky was thebeginning of my fears.
Okay, like whoever went, whatis the safest thing for a child?
A doll?
How do we make that evil?
(25:31):
Yes, and then the kids willwant to watch the horror movies
with the parents, my parents, no, let's be clear.
My dad fell right into thattrap.
So I think chucky was thebeginning, and then the most
recent, sarah do you rememberthe name of it?
Where the kids were crawling.
They were, they were like theyrented an airbnb me.
(25:53):
yeah, uh or us maybe it's calledus that movie us.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Yeah, you should watch that it does not sound
creepy, it does not sound likesomething I need to see.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
So there were just children crawling yeah, the kids
, the kids and teenagers, theywould do like it's like a it's
it's like oh, if you are not apatron, I mean you get to see me
with no makeup, and it's kindof like a, like a gallop, almost
.
Yeah, exactly, okay, so thefront legs, pull the back legs
(26:28):
forward and they go over thefront legs and that's creepy,
because as humans, that's nothow we walk, it's not possible
yeah.
So you're like, yeah, it feelsdemonic or otherworldly for sure
yeah, very, very.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
It feels like neanderthal ish to me.
It's like when you think of abig ape like moving, moving
their body where, like theirfeet go first and then they move
on the hands, and like that's avery like not uh evolved way of
well, I guess it.
I guess it's very evolved forthe ape, you know.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Yeah, I mean, who knows?
Who knows what consciousnesswe're inside, what dimension
we're in?
No clue.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Are we?
Are we anywhere near theOctober surprise Are?
Speaker 2 (27:17):
we?
Here's what I heard.
Are we anywhere near theOctober surprise?
Speaker 1 (27:24):
What's funny is, that is exactly what I asked.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Oh, this is where you ask me something that I have no
idea your, your your activelistening was on point.
No, I mean maybe what is theOctober surprise?
Speaker 4 (27:45):
Okay, Sarah, did you want to say something?
Same question, thank you.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Same question.
It just really happened evenbetter than I thought it would.
Okay.
So welcome to the octobersurprise, which has come to mean
any late breaking event withthe potential to change the
course of a political race.
Oh yes, okay.
This concept first enteredamerica's political lexicon in
1980.
(28:12):
The idea was born out of fearin Ronald Reagan's campaign that
President Jimmy Carter wouldmanage to win the release of 52
hostages who had been heldcaptive in Iran for nearly a
year, providing the embattledpresident with a significant
diplomatic success.
Reagan's campaign manager, billCasey, publicly warned that
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Carter might be planning such anOctober surprise, and the
campaign urged its friends inthe intelligence and military
communities to flag anymovements that suggested a
release was in the works.
Of course, not only did thatnot happen, but the anniversary
of the captivity happened to beon election eve, further
reminding the country of thehostages plight.
(28:57):
The measure of iran's distastefor carter can be measured by
the fact that the hostages werereleased mere minutes after
reagan was inaugurated.
Wow, so this happened, as allgreat things happened in the
1980s agreed, so, so thishappened in 1980.
And so so what has beenhappening in um, you know,
(29:20):
journalistic news sources andstuff like that, is everybody's
going like we haven't gotten theOctober surprise yet.
Like what is going to come outor what is going to happen that
is going to absolutely decimateand or elevate one of our, our
political candidates, Right, Yep, and and and how and if is that
(29:40):
going to affect the election?
And so I'm curious, like, canyou, can you think of, like, if
you had to generate an Octobersurprise that would completely,
very strongly suggest this iswhere things are going to go as
of November 5th, Like what wouldyou come up with?
Speaker 2 (29:58):
I mean, to be honest with you, I can't think of a
thing that Trump hasn't donethat you could say he did.
Besides, maybe, murder.
That would change a lot ofTrump voters mind.
Like, honestly, he's like beenconvicted of sexual assault.
He's been convicted of fraud.
He's been all these things.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
So normally I would say you know some sort of like
someone accusing him ofsomething last minute, but I
mean he's like bulletproof whenit comes to his fans yeah, the
people, um, that I was atbreakfast with this morning, um,
they were saying that they feltlike one thing that could
(30:40):
really alter the course ofthings would be if Trump was and
or is somehow in cahoots with PDiddy know, and it's like like
the Abercrombie and Fitch CEOguy and like you know, it's like
you know anything having to dowith some sort of sexual
misconduct and minors.
Sure, like that might besomething that that the Trump
(31:04):
fan might go hang on a second.
I I took it in a completelydifferent direction in my mind.
I was like I think that itwould be a landslide if Kamala
Harris, in the middle of one ofher very articulate, very
intelligent, dramatic monologues, were to say something like and
what I would really recommendfor all Americans is to listen
(31:27):
to the Cat and Moose podcast.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Oh well, that would help us, but would it help her?
Speaker 1 (31:34):
It could.
I think it would be this likeall of a sudden, this swell of
See no, but these people.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
They would go through our podcast episodes and then
they would say right here,somebody said this wrong and
they would want to cancel her,and we should be canceling,
endorsing us.
Yeah Well, kamala, if you'relooking for a way out, kamala
(32:02):
you know, I went down the pdhole for a couple days, guys,
and yeah, it's insane, and it'sinsane how many people knew what
was going on and didn't sayanything.
And that's usually how it goes.
It is how it goes.
It is how it goes Exactly whensomebody controls so much of it.
But I did see how you couldeasily go down the conspiracy
(32:26):
theory, uh zone of the musicindustry, choosing who makes it
and who doesn't, which is a bigtheory.
Like you know, there's somecampaign or corporation behind
it all and they're like we'regoing to pick this person and
this person you know, and theseother people will give them some
deals so that it looks like wedidn't just pick them.
(32:48):
But with P Diddy, like havingso many relationships, it's like
there's so many names out there, people that he could have
taken advantage of.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
it's just really it goes really messed up, yeah and
and I, I consider myself like I.
I am a scorpio, I'm veryintense, I like sex, I like
talking about sex.
I like you know, but, but, but.
But my point is that, like, howdoes a person have so much
(33:20):
sexual energy to do these thingson like a consistent and
regular basis, like to the pointthat you're doing like illegal
things?
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Well, I I'm glad you brought this up, because I am I
have a rant.
I want to go on about mostlymen and sexual things, okay so
everyone buckle in.
If you're a man, we love you.
Still, you're welcome here.
I know this isn't exactly whatdiddy's doing, but recently and
(33:54):
this is just a warning I'm gonnatalk about um, a crime that
happened.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
If anyone wants to turn the station, we're not a
station, we're a podcast wedon't offer for people to turn
the station much, and we've saidway worse things than that.
Well, okay, I know, okay soanyway, wow, okay, I know, okay.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
So anyway, this lady, 30 some years old, in town,
very close to where my house is,running on a greenway and a man
attacks her, tries to sexuallyassault her and then shoots her
and she dies, and this is likereally captured the heart of
(34:34):
Nashville A lot of people thatlive near where we do.
Anyway, sarah and I drove pastit about two hours after it
happened and it was a crimescene at that point and this is
like a beautiful area ofNashville.
This is not any high crime, notthat that matters, but I'm just
saying girl running getsattacked and shot and I I, for
(34:56):
some reason, I think, justhaving been on that greenway so
many times, you know, I just gotangry Like at what freaking
point do you?
And I'm not saying these peopleare mentally stable, but I
think there are some semimentally stable people go, my
(35:19):
mentally stable people go, Ineed to have sex so bad that I
am going to go out and attack aperson, just a random person,
and then bring a gun and if itdoesn't work out, I'm going to
kill them.
Like how do you get to thatplace in your life?
And and back to Diddy, like howdo you go from like look, I'm
famous, I can do whatever I wantto like.
Oh, nobody's paying attention,I'm going to do whatever I want
(35:41):
and start doing some reallyawful things.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And is it?
Is it power?
Is it chasing the high Likewhat?
Speaker 4 (35:50):
is the drive, all of it.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
You have to beat the last, uh, the last high climax
whatever whatever that was yeahit makes me think of that new um
joy, a lot of coon record andthat song drugs that you yep,
that you told me about oh mygosh, the drugs don't work yeah,
it's like.
It's like I gotta.
(36:13):
I gotta figure out what thenext thing is, because getting
high doesn't get me high anymore.
You know it's like, it's like Igotta I gotta figure out what
the next thing is, becausegetting high doesn't get me high
anymore.
You know, and it's like I thinkthat's the point Sarah, you know
that you're making, and it'slike, it's like he's got to beat
the last thing.
And I thought to myself, like,like, is it just that you have
so much that you're like bored?
(36:34):
It must be, it's gotta be alittle bit of all of it.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Yeah man, there has to be a board factor.
Or I always say when people arebored, sometimes they get into
trouble and there is a place youget to where you're just like
listen guys like money can onlybuy so much, though.
Speaker 4 (36:51):
You know, Right, that's true.
Yeah, To an extent can buypeople, maybe, depending on the
extent, but even evenfriendships.
And you know, uh, opportunities, and you know, in this instance
, uh, industry opportunities,fame.
You know actual physical things, clothes and houses.
(37:11):
You know that kind of stuff ismanipulatively bought.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Yeah, you know, when you start to own someone, yeah,
Well, and when you startcreating their careers and they
start depending on you and thenyou you expect more from them,
it's really, really messed upand I would you know.
Okay, so back in the I think itwas the early 2000s yeah, this
(37:35):
guy in New York was the attorneygeneral of New York and he came
after all the record labels tochase them for what is called
payola.
So he chased all the recordlabels cause they were paying
radio stations to get recordsplayed.
Why don't we and I'm not sayingthis isn't happening, but why
doesn't the CIA, the FBI thisisn't happening, but why doesn't
the CIA, the FBI, whoever's incharge of this go and
(38:04):
investigate these individualpeople who have that much power
to make sure that they're usingit?
I mean, somebody is gettingpaid off here and there, right
Right.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
Well, it kind of reminds me of our health care
system, it doesn't?
It's like we don't haveinsurance and doctors and stuff
like that to help us stay.
Well, we go there whensomething's wrong yeah, you know
so it's kind of like having thefbi, fbi or the cia or whatever
go and go.
Hey, we just want to make surethat everything is good here.
Everything is well yeah like wedon't we.
(38:30):
That's not how our society isyeah, they're not accountable
right and it's like and insteadit's like oh, we got to go chase
the bad guys, you know, andit's like.
I think what you're saying islike is there a way to prevent
people from getting to thatplace to begin with?
You know, Right.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
And is there?
Um, so many of those issues areso taboo you don't want anyone
to know.
So taboo, you don't want anyoneto know, right, yeah, and how
do you have a safe place forpeople to go if they actively
want to?
I'm not saying everyone will,but right, right.
Well, I don't want to give anypity to diddy.
Um, could we end this episodewith a little bit of Joy
(39:14):
Alotikun from her new recordthat just came out, and the song
is called Drugs, drugs.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
And if, like right before the theme music of our
podcast kicks in, I think shouldbe like right at the tail end
of that song.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
Oh yeah, I love that here comes.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
Probably shouldn't be stoned.
The drugs don't work.
Oh, I can't get high.
Oh, doctor, doctor, find me anew way to survive, survive.
What happened to the good olddays where you could take a hit
(40:00):
of that good shit and feel yourtroubles fade away?
I guess I've got to make achange.
I'm not sober, I'm just over,trying to smoke away the rage.
The drugs don't work.
Oh, I can't get high.
Oh, doctor, doctor, find me anew way to survive.
(40:25):
And my friends don't callunless they need a ride.
Oh, father, father feels likeI'm barely getting by.
Oh, father, father feels likeI'm barely getting by.
Seems like I gotta look for anew way to survive.
(40:49):
I've been running on empty andcalling it strength.
I've reopened all woundsbecause I won't take a break.
I know I've got to make achange.
I won't hurt myself or gothrough hell trying to prove my
place.
The judge don't work.
Get high, doctor, doctor, findme a new way to survive.
(41:13):
And my friends don't callUnless they need a ride.
Oh, for the part that feelslike I'm barely getting by Seems
like I gotta look for a new wayto survive.
All the wine and the weed Justwon't heal my disease.
(41:51):
The drugs don't work.
Oh, I can't get high.
Oh, doctor, doctor, find me anew way to survive.
And my friends don't callUnless they need a ride.
Oh, father, father, feels likeI'm barely getting by.
(42:13):
The drugs don't work.
Oh, I can't get high.
Oh, doctor, doctor, find me anew way to survive.
And my friends don't callUnless they need me.
Oh, I'm wild and proud.
It feels like I'm barelygetting by.
(42:35):
Seems like I'm barely gettingby.
Seems like I gotta look for anew way to survive.
Speaker 4 (42:50):
Seems like I gotta look for a new way to survive.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
School break 12th break.
Special thanks to our producer,sarah Reed, to find out more.
Cat and Moose is a BPproduction.
Welcome to the Cat and Moose podcast.
I'm Cat and I'm Moose.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
This is a true life podcast where we explore the
quirks of being human.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Hey Cat, hey Moose, hey Sarah.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Hi We've missed you.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
I am here yeah, you're here and I am so here.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
I am happy about that people have said they missed
your voice, but they also saidthe production has been elevated
.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
Yes, yes, well, thank you.
Yeah, I had to show up somehowsome way.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Well, you you did, you did Like in in our last two
episodes, I went back andlistened to both of them more
than once, which is unusual forme because I wanted to just kind
of revel in how excellent yourproduction was.
Like I was like and then,listen to this and then listen
to this.
I'm like talking to myself inthe mirror going and now watch
she's going to do this.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
That's really great, that's great.
I love it.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Where have you been?
Oh, man, just around, I don'tknow.
I feel like it's probably beenwhat three weeks that I haven't
been on an episode, yeah, or atleast you haven't heard my voice
, but yeah, I don't know.
But yeah, I don't know.
I think it's usually schedulingsomehow, yeah, and I don't even
know.
(01:27):
Really I can't remember thatfar back, but I'm glad to be
here now and it's been funhearing you guys each week as
I've edited, because I wasn'tobviously in the room to hear it
ahead of time.
So it was just as much of asurprise to edit as it was for
each of you guys to hear.
It was just as much of asurprise to edit as it was for
each of you guys to hear.
But yeah, no, it's beenactually really fun to kind of
(01:49):
go back to the format of justaudio.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Yeah, for a little bit.
Yeah, it's like the OG yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Yeah, it's been cool.
Well, I love it.
I mean, I think right now, thisis what our schedules permit,
so we're doing what we can,right.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Right, right.
Well, and one of the thingsthat I just would love to
celebrate and I think that youguys have embodied it really
well, and I feel like I have toois that we've just tried to
really go with the flow.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Yeah, and it's like doing video every week at least.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
while this is not our full time job, is is just
almost impossible, because ittakes an hour or two to set up
on either side, and then ittakes another hour or two, sarah
, for you to edit, becausethere's additional layers.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
And way more than that, yeah, especially when
we're doing video.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
So I was really delighted.
I've been on the road a lot thepast few days, which is not
super consistent for me in thisseason of life, but it's just.
It's been a thing where I'veneeded to be out on the road and
I ran into a longtime colleaguethat I have not seen in
probably more than a decade anduh, and she came up to me and
she said I just want you to knowsomething.
(02:56):
And I said, okay, what's that?
And she said I listened to themoose and little cat podcast and
I was like, and I was like, oh,I mean, I think she's talking
about our podcast and it justlike I've never been called
little in my life.
So I just like, I was just very, and then I was like, well,
maybe I misheard her, anyway itdoesn't matter.
(03:18):
She was just giving praise andcompliments to the podcast and
the one that I wanted to tellyou guys about.
That was the most meaningful tome.
Um, I'm curious how you'llrespond to it.
Okay, okay, ready.
She says, okay, she goes.
The reason I love your podcastis because you.
No, no, she said, let me, letme see how she.
(03:41):
Let me, let me try to get intocharacter.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Yeah, hold it in.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
She goes OK.
The reason that I love yourpodcast is because you guys say
what we're afraid to think.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
Oh, we're afraid to yes.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Like I thought what an outstanding compliment she
didn't just say you say what.
We're afraid to think.
Yes, like I thought what anoutstanding compliment she
didn't just say you say what?
we're afraid to say.
She's like you say what, we'reafraid to even think, and it's
like it feels so good to havesomebody that and she goes and I
literally find myself going yes, yes, yes, and I said yeah.
So that's the thing that peopletell us the most is that they
(04:21):
find themselves yelling andpointing at their windshields
know they're like yeah, but youknow it's very funny, okay.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Okay, I've got our new tagline, you guys.
Okay, it's the cat and moosepodcast.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
Everyone's dirty little secret but you meant the
moose and little cat.
Podcast wait, but why?
Speaker 2 (04:43):
little cat.
Uh, that's just in her mind.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
That's just how she remembers the name of the
podcast yeah, and maybe it's howI remember the conversation and
it wasn't at all what she said.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
She's listening right now and she's like, actually
that's not at all what I said atleast it wasn't the big moose
and the little cat podcast.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
No it was not that.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
It was not that.
Okay, I have a question for youguys that is not very deep, and
yet it is deep.
Okay, I ran across an Instagramad for something that literally
made my mouth fall open.
I was going to say what did itmake your mouth?
Yeah, wow, I said that way,juicier than it sounded or than
(05:32):
it is.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
It made my mouth just .
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Okay, so I would like for you to look at this and
tell me, would you ever do thisin your lives?
I feel like I know the answers,but you tell me.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Have dinner with new people every Wednesday night.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
No, no, I would.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
What?
That was the opposite of what Ithought I would get from the
two of you.
Oh Okay, it's called Time Left.
Check it out.
Everyone, everyone, want to mixthings up a little on your
social life.
Join us for a unique diningexperience with five strangers,
all picked by our algorithm.
All handpicked sorry hand, asas opposed to just being picked.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
Right, right, somebody had to touch them.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
So, first of all, it's on Wednesday night, which
makes me think it's a Biblestudy, and it's like tricking
you into Bible study.
Yeah, like a singles group,yeah, but I don't think it's for
.
I think it's legitimately forjust fighting loneliness.
So I went on their website andthis was helpful for me as an
introvert.
Anyway, 10 tips for successfuldinner with strangers.
(06:49):
I just want to die right there,do you?
Speaker 4 (06:52):
guys, I love how full her wine glasses.
Tip number one fill your wineglass to the brim.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Sister, you're my people.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Get as drunk as you can before you go step one.
So it shares like kind of someobvious things active listening,
share authentically, askgenerously, look beyond
appearances, exercisediscernment, learn by
participating, drink moderatelySee, we're already out there.
(07:22):
Be inventive, express yourgratitude.
Yeah, I like this.
Yeah, but like in theory, Ithink this is such a cool idea.
It really is.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Yeah, I kind of I want to take back what I said.
I would enjoy doing this inthis season of life, right now.
It feels overwhelming to me.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Yeah, agreed.
Yeah, I definitely thought Katwas going to say yes and Sarah
was going to be like nope, butSarah has this social side.
When she, when she feels happyabout her life, that comes out
and surprises me and I do, tooLike I would do with you guys if
we could be three of the peoplefor sure.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
Well, and there's something I enjoy about
strangers they don't know you atall, so you can be whoever you
want to be with them.
You could be 100% yourself or100% not yourself.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Which makes me want to ask you Moose like how is
your 100 days of being authenticto your true and authentic self
?
How is that going?
Speaker 2 (08:26):
well, it's first.
It's 100 days, 100 days ofbeing myself, which, right now,
I'm in the phase of learning whoI am it's an important phase it
is and I am.
I've just been writing a ton, um, but one activity that my
(08:49):
therapist suggested that I try,and I thought this was so
creative because I kind of puther on the spot and I was like
give me something, give me anactivity that maybe you've done
before, that I could do.
And she's like okay, go to oneof your bookshelves, just pick
one of your shelves and take oneword from the title of each of
(09:10):
those books and then do whateveryou want with those words,
which I hate, open-ended stuff,I'm like.
Oh do whatever you want.
I need, I need to followdirections and I need to know
step-by-step.
So, uh, I picked my woo wooshelf a little woo woo, a little
, um, buddhist I guess.
(09:32):
But um, I Anyway, I took thewords, I picked a word that
meant the most to me out of eachtitle and then I asked chat GPT
, which I don't think this iswhat you're supposed to do when
you're getting to know yourself.
But I said, uh hi, chat GPT.
Um, what are these words mean?
And that's all I that was theonly prompt, and it wrote this
(09:55):
beautiful thing Uh, do you wantme to read it to you?
It's quite short.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
Yes, please.
What were the words first?
The?
Speaker 2 (10:03):
words were lives, uncover home, tiger, see
uncertainty.
Radical gift heart openness,interior start, scare,
untethered, loving, kindnesselements and taught okay,
(10:26):
excellent.
So here is what it said thegift of uncovering.
In the uncertainty of life, weuncover the truth of who we are.
I didn't give them any promptsrelated to who I am.
That's amazing.
Already like already, wow, Iknow.
Okay, let me start over.
In the uncertainty of life, weuncover the truth of who we are.
(10:49):
We start often scared, like atiger, untethered from the
familiar, facing the wild,unknown.
But this is where the radicalgift of living fully begins when
we open our hearts, embracingthe elements of fear and hope
that dance with our interior.
Home is no longer a place but afeeling, one of loving,
(11:14):
kindness and openness toourselves.
We are taught through everychallenge, every leap, that in
seeing our own vulnerability,what we are living, a life that
(11:35):
is both a journey and a gift,where the heart leads and the
soul follows what I know, wasthat Bashar?
Speaker 1 (11:52):
His sister Shashar.
Is this how scripture came tobe?
I think so, yeah.
I legitimately think so, yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
I legitimately think so Wow that was beautiful I
intentionally like.
I was just like all right, thatwas my one of my first journal
entries for my project, so I waslike okay, did you like write
it down verbatim?
Speaker 4 (12:16):
Oh yeah, into your journal?
Yeah, that's amazing.
Yeah, um, I want to challengeall of us to try that this week,
at some point this week, find abook on your shelf, whatever
you're drawn to pull out.
How many words was that?
12, a dozen?
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
I mean you could do five if you want it and just ask
chat GPT what it's trying totell you.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
Yeah, I think that could be really interesting, and
then, if you feel so inclined,send them our way and we'll read
them.
I would love it.
You don't have to include yourname, but it would be cool to
share, yep.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Home is no longer a place, but a feeling.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
That is amazing.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
And I'm thinking um a lot of what that says describes
in chinese five element theory,the water element.
Um, the water element has to dowith with the, the balance of
trust and fear, and a lot of ithas to do with like going inward
and assessing and home and kindof hibernating, you know.
(13:21):
So like a lot of that was, umwas really kind of shouting to
me and I, um the tiger part.
I view tigers as being sofierce and so strong.
I don't view tigers as beingscared in an unfamiliar
environment.
That's quite the paradox, isn'tit.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
I know, and it says we start often scared, like a
tiger, untethered from thefamiliar.
This is where the radical giftof living fully begins.
Wow Is the fear.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Dang yeah, man, that's awesome.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
That's amazing.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
That's, that's really cool and, sarah, I will accept
your challenge.
I I will definitely do this andcome prepared with my
philosophical genius.
Thanks to chat, gbt next week.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
Hey, I I don't know if we've mentioned this before,
but we talk about this in ourfriend group all the time, how
often we have conversations.
I end up having conversationswith chat GPT and I can see how
it's a slippery slope because itcould really feed into.
Maybe I'm going back to whatyou were saying about this
meeting new people, kind of asocial thing, but like it could
(14:35):
help lonely people, people whoare lonely and just wanting to
have a conversation.
For me it had.
Uh, my experience was like whenI was filling out um, job
applications or stuff or needingto do like a cover letter and
be like help me write this, likehere's some things about me,
blah, blah, blah, help me putthis into it, and then I'd be
like thanks, that's a reallygood job and they go good luck
(14:58):
on your interview.
Or, you know, it's just reallysweet to have like a very
encouraging conversation with.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
AI.
Wow, that's really I need to.
I need to use it more.
I really I use it very rarelyand when I have conversations
like this, I'm like, ah, whydon't I use this more?
Speaker 4 (15:15):
Yeah, it's yeah.
And then it's like two stepsaway from what's that show black
mirror.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
oh yeah, yeah, like we're dangerously close, you're
in love with a robot likebasically I remember watching
those movies and being likethat's so dumb it's never
possible.
But yeah, I could see how itcould be possible.
I have I have the like primopaid option, which you know it's
pretty amazing, so you can datepeople on it.
I think you could date.
(15:43):
I think that's one choice.
You can plug in your um, bumbleor whatever your dating app is
and it will create AI versionsof who you're like.
Oh, this is actually way better.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Well, and to me, like it makes me wonder.
I'm thinking of things from,like, an active listening
standpoint, Like when youbrought up that you know dinner
with five strangers.
That's one of the key things itsays to do right Is to actively
listen.
And and also, like in therapy,that's also a very therapeutic
technique it's to activelylisten to the client and
(16:15):
sometimes even repeat back tothe client what they have said,
or at least do something thatthat says that like I hear you.
I hear that you said you thinkthe sky is purple.
Okay, you know, like, whateverit is in um, and it got me to
thinking that, like what if thereason chat GBT feels so good,
(16:37):
especially Sarah, like, like,like if, if we're needing um
companionship or encouragementor whatever, it's really just
feeding back our words to us,right?
Speaker 2 (16:48):
yeah, it's really just actively, I think, at some
point.
I mean it's a language learningmodel is what it is yeah, and
so, yeah, it's everything I'veever typed in there.
It's like, oh, she's definitelyon a soul search, you know,
like let's give her, let's giveher what she wants and she likes
poetry and she like, you know,yeah, so I, I do think it is a
(17:10):
little self-serving in some waysyeah, until you throw in like
monster trucks what was thatmole I had removed called?
Speaker 4 (17:19):
and then now you're also concerned about skin care.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Yeah, you start getting ads for for
pre-screening for rare anddangerous conditions well, this,
this makes me think ofsomething that one of our
listeners, um, wrote in about,and she was listening to an
episode of ours from severalepisodes ago where we were
talking about sharks and we weretalking about, you know, sharks
(17:45):
attacking people and blah, blah, blah, and so she sent us this
YouTube link and she was like Iwould be curious for you to
check this person out.
She is an animal communicator,and so this person is very
similar to our friend daryl, whochannels bashar, like this
(18:05):
person can channel theconsciousness of different
species of animals wow species,species, girls.
Can anybody name where that'sfrom?
Um and so, um.
So anyway, this animalcommunicator her name is anna
(18:27):
bratenbach, I think I'm I'msaying her last name correctly
um, and she basically was sayingthat she had a communication
with the consciousness of greatwhite sharks.
Whoa, oh, wow, that's cool.
And basically what she learnedfrom them is that they are very
(18:48):
hungry because humankind hasdepleted a lot of their natural
food supply from the ocean.
So, like their favorite fish,their favorite stuff to eat,
there's just not as much of itas there used to be, like
millions of years ago, and sothey're just kind of really
hungry all the time.
And so what they do isenergetically, when they pick up
(19:10):
on fear, competition, anythingthat's like a like vibration
happening in the ocean, theyswim toward it to eat it.
Well, because it acts like preyokay, because prey is afraid.
Like they're like oh shit, ashark is coming, I should be
very afraid, I'm gonna get myarm bitten off.
(19:31):
And so the shark is like.
All the shark is thinking islike vibration.
That means maybe food vibration.
That means maybe food Vibration, that means maybe food, you
know.
And so it goes to the thing,and if the thing continues to
act like it's prey.
The only way that a shark hasto understand what it is
touching, smelling, the wholenine yards.
(19:51):
The only sensory organ thatthey can really explore with is
their mouth.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
That's why they slam into it, so they just they bite.
I mean that's a little rude.
Yeah, it's not like they havehands.
Well, I mean it is, but it'swhen I bite people's head off,
they are not happy with this.
It's a little rude.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Right, it is, it is.
It's rude.
It's as rude as it is that weare invading their natural
habitat.
Agreed, because we need to gosurf or we need to go kayak, or
we need to go, you know,whatever the thing is, and so,
but wait a minute.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Why isn't it also our habitat?
Speaker 1 (20:30):
I mean, it can be, it can't, and I'm gonna get to
that, I'm gonna get to wherethis is gonna resolve in a
harmonious Do you want me to letyou finish.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
That would be awesome .
Active listening Got it.
Okay, yeah, that would beawesome.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
So, anyway, so what this woman was saying is that
the shark consciousness wastelling her that if people were
to give off vibrations of beinghappy, of being joyful, to enjoy
their environment, to sharetheir environment with them, but
it would not attract them tothem because it would be
(21:06):
harmonious with what's alreadygoing on in their consciousness,
like they don't swim aroundgoing man, I hope there's a
human I can bite their arm offtoday.
And she said that the sharkconsciousness even told her that
we taste horrible.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
I bet we do.
We've got some nasty asschemicals in our preserve Right.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Are they eating us, like digesting us?
Well, they're tasting becausethey're exploring with their
mouth.
So, they're not like going like, I'm hungry so I'm going to go
eat cat's leg.
Yeah, yeah, they're not likeour chicken lady oh my god, so
much here I.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
That just makes me more and more afraid to go into
the ocean.
Yeah, because I definitely giveoff vibes of fear wherever I go
and just in general.
yeah, just in general.
So if I even try and groundmyself, I don't like going in
the ocean anymore.
I'm sorry, I just don't.
I'll go in a lake, but even alake, if something bumps into me
(22:05):
, I start freaking out Nope, um.
So that's why I like to go tolike Lake Michigan, where it
feels like an ocean but butthere's some big ass shit in
there too.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Yeah, I bet I bet there is.
I mean I bet got shit in theretoo.
Yeah, I bet I bet there is.
I mean I bet I bet there's hugeass shit in there.
And um, I I just want to saythat this animal communicator
said from the consciousness ofthe sharks that if we were to
create an energetic bubblearound ourselves, um of joy and
happiness and exploration andcontemplation and like all the
(22:39):
wonderful human ways that we canbe, that literally like sharks
would be happy to just come andhang out with us and swim with
us.
And she's got this footage ofherself being underwater with
like 10 sharks and they'recoming up to her and she's like
scratching their chin and like,yeah, it feels so good these
(23:00):
huge sharks, and it just kind ofmade me go like man humans
challenging you know, and Ithought it fit in.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
And imagine if you brought that bubble of joy and
happiness into your life.
Forget the sharks, right.
What if you just did that?
Speaker 4 (23:17):
Right See how other humans react, right Right.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Start with your own species.
Stay the hell out of my ocean.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
You know, I, yeah, I have a big fear of sharks, but
you know what I um?
First, well, the couple ofthings.
There's a lot going on in thisADHD mind of mine.
First thing is, you know, whenyou listen to the Cat and Moose
podcast, you could be talkingabout Christ consciousness and
you could be talking about sharkconsciousness, like that's how
(23:46):
diverse we are.
Sure, yeah, yeah, that's thefirst thing happening.
Secondly, the thing that I fearmore than sharks are alligators
.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
Same, Crocodiles yeah , does that fall in the same
category?
Speaker 2 (24:00):
It doesn't matter if they look like that and they can
run the way they run.
Yeah, I mean the way they justlike charge at you and I just
have a problem with any speciescrawling, unless you're an
insect.
Like you know, my biggest fearin every horror movie is like a
child, fast crawling on theirarms and legs.
(24:22):
I mean literally, you just wantme to die.
Just hide in my house and do afast crawl or have your child do
it I will, I will pass out on.
I may not make it.
I really, because that is thescariest thing ever.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Like can we just can we?
Are you comfortable sittingwith that for a minute?
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Yes, let's unpack it.
I would love to unpack it.
I'll take any free therapy,whether you're licensed or not
for it.
That's who we are.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
I'm just curious, like do you remember where you
were, where this, this fearappeared the first time in your
life?
Speaker 2 (25:02):
uh, the first time um , not the first time I remember
the most recent.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Okay, okay, we can start there.
That's great.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
It probably has something to do with those
little porcelain dolls?
Oh no, no, it's coming clear.
Look, you just got to givespace guys.
Chucky, I think Chucky was thebeginning of my fears.
Okay, like whoever went, whatis the safest thing for a child?
A doll?
How do we make that evil?
(25:31):
Yes, and then the kids willwant to watch the horror movies
with the parents, my parents, no, let's be clear.
My dad fell right into thattrap.
So I think chucky was thebeginning, and then the most
recent, sarah do you rememberthe name of it?
Where the kids were crawling.
They were, they were like theyrented an airbnb me.
(25:53):
yeah, uh or us maybe it's calledus that movie us.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Yeah, you should watch that it does not sound
creepy, it does not sound likesomething I need to see.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
So there were just children crawling yeah, the kids
, the kids and teenagers, theywould do like it's like a it's
it's like oh, if you are not apatron, I mean you get to see me
with no makeup, and it's kindof like a, like a gallop, almost
.
Yeah, exactly, okay, so thefront legs, pull the back legs
(26:28):
forward and they go over thefront legs and that's creepy,
because as humans, that's nothow we walk, it's not possible
yeah.
So you're like, yeah, it feelsdemonic or otherworldly for sure
yeah, very, very.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
It feels like neanderthal ish to me.
It's like when you think of abig ape like moving, moving
their body where, like theirfeet go first and then they move
on the hands, and like that's avery like not uh evolved way of
well, I guess it.
I guess it's very evolved forthe ape, you know.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Yeah, I mean, who knows?
Who knows what consciousnesswe're inside, what dimension
we're in?
No clue.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Are we?
Are we anywhere near theOctober surprise Are?
Speaker 2 (27:17):
we?
Here's what I heard.
Are we anywhere near theOctober surprise?
Speaker 1 (27:24):
What's funny is, that is exactly what I asked.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Oh, this is where you ask me something that I have no
idea your, your your activelistening was on point.
No, I mean maybe what is theOctober surprise?
Speaker 4 (27:45):
Okay, Sarah, did you want to say something?
Same question, thank you.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Same question.
It just really happened evenbetter than I thought it would.
Okay.
So welcome to the octobersurprise, which has come to mean
any late breaking event withthe potential to change the
course of a political race.
Oh yes, okay.
This concept first enteredamerica's political lexicon in
1980.
(28:12):
The idea was born out of fearin Ronald Reagan's campaign that
President Jimmy Carter wouldmanage to win the release of 52
hostages who had been heldcaptive in Iran for nearly a
year, providing the embattledpresident with a significant
diplomatic success.
Reagan's campaign manager, billCasey, publicly warned that
(28:35):
Carter might be planning such anOctober surprise, and the
campaign urged its friends inthe intelligence and military
communities to flag anymovements that suggested a
release was in the works.
Of course, not only did thatnot happen, but the anniversary
of the captivity happened to beon election eve, further
reminding the country of thehostages plight.
(28:57):
The measure of iran's distastefor carter can be measured by
the fact that the hostages werereleased mere minutes after
reagan was inaugurated.
Wow, so this happened, as allgreat things happened in the
1980s agreed, so, so thishappened in 1980.
And so so what has beenhappening in um, you know,
(29:20):
journalistic news sources andstuff like that, is everybody's
going like we haven't gotten theOctober surprise yet.
Like what is going to come outor what is going to happen that
is going to absolutely decimateand or elevate one of our, our
political candidates, Right, Yep, and and and how and if is that
(29:40):
going to affect the election?
And so I'm curious, like, canyou, can you think of, like, if
you had to generate an Octobersurprise that would completely,
very strongly suggest this iswhere things are going to go as
of November 5th, Like what wouldyou come up with?
Speaker 2 (29:58):
I mean, to be honest with you, I can't think of a
thing that Trump hasn't donethat you could say he did.
Besides, maybe, murder.
That would change a lot ofTrump voters mind.
Like, honestly, he's like beenconvicted of sexual assault.
He's been convicted of fraud.
He's been all these things.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
So normally I would say you know some sort of like
someone accusing him ofsomething last minute, but I
mean he's like bulletproof whenit comes to his fans yeah, the
people, um, that I was atbreakfast with this morning, um,
they were saying that they feltlike one thing that could
(30:40):
really alter the course ofthings would be if Trump was and
or is somehow in cahoots with PDiddy know, and it's like like
the Abercrombie and Fitch CEOguy and like you know, it's like
you know anything having to dowith some sort of sexual
misconduct and minors.
Sure, like that might besomething that that the Trump
(31:04):
fan might go hang on a second.
I I took it in a completelydifferent direction in my mind.
I was like I think that itwould be a landslide if Kamala
Harris, in the middle of one ofher very articulate, very
intelligent, dramatic monologues, were to say something like and
what I would really recommendfor all Americans is to listen
(31:27):
to the Cat and Moose podcast.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Oh well, that would help us, but would it help her?
Speaker 1 (31:34):
It could.
I think it would be this likeall of a sudden, this swell of
See no, but these people.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
They would go through our podcast episodes and then
they would say right here,somebody said this wrong and
they would want to cancel her,and we should be canceling,
endorsing us.
Yeah Well, kamala, if you'relooking for a way out, kamala
(32:02):
you know, I went down the pdhole for a couple days, guys,
and yeah, it's insane, and it'sinsane how many people knew what
was going on and didn't sayanything.
And that's usually how it goes.
It is how it goes.
It is how it goes Exactly whensomebody controls so much of it.
But I did see how you couldeasily go down the conspiracy
(32:26):
theory, uh zone of the musicindustry, choosing who makes it
and who doesn't, which is a bigtheory.
Like you know, there's somecampaign or corporation behind
it all and they're like we'regoing to pick this person and
this person you know, and theseother people will give them some
deals so that it looks like wedidn't just pick them.
(32:48):
But with P Diddy, like havingso many relationships, it's like
there's so many names out there, people that he could have
taken advantage of.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
it's just really it goes really messed up, yeah and
and I, I consider myself like I.
I am a scorpio, I'm veryintense, I like sex, I like
talking about sex.
I like you know, but, but, but.
But my point is that, like, howdoes a person have so much
(33:20):
sexual energy to do these thingson like a consistent and
regular basis, like to the pointthat you're doing like illegal
things?
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Well, I I'm glad you brought this up, because I am I
have a rant.
I want to go on about mostlymen and sexual things, okay so
everyone buckle in.
If you're a man, we love you.
Still, you're welcome here.
I know this isn't exactly whatdiddy's doing, but recently and
(33:54):
this is just a warning I'm gonnatalk about um, a crime that
happened.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
If anyone wants to turn the station, we're not a
station, we're a podcast wedon't offer for people to turn
the station much, and we've saidway worse things than that.
Well, okay, I know, okay soanyway, wow, okay, I know, okay.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
So anyway, this lady, 30 some years old, in town,
very close to where my house is,running on a greenway and a man
attacks her, tries to sexuallyassault her and then shoots her
and she dies, and this is likereally captured the heart of
(34:34):
Nashville A lot of people thatlive near where we do.
Anyway, sarah and I drove pastit about two hours after it
happened and it was a crimescene at that point and this is
like a beautiful area ofNashville.
This is not any high crime, notthat that matters, but I'm just
saying girl running getsattacked and shot and I I, for
(34:56):
some reason, I think, justhaving been on that greenway so
many times, you know, I just gotangry Like at what freaking
point do you?
And I'm not saying these peopleare mentally stable, but I
think there are some semimentally stable people go, my
(35:19):
mentally stable people go, Ineed to have sex so bad that I
am going to go out and attack aperson, just a random person,
and then bring a gun and if itdoesn't work out, I'm going to
kill them.
Like how do you get to thatplace in your life?
And and back to Diddy, like howdo you go from like look, I'm
famous, I can do whatever I wantto like.
Oh, nobody's paying attention,I'm going to do whatever I want
(35:41):
and start doing some reallyawful things.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And is it?
Is it power?
Is it chasing the high Likewhat?
Speaker 4 (35:50):
is the drive, all of it.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
You have to beat the last, uh, the last high climax
whatever whatever that was yeahit makes me think of that new um
joy, a lot of coon record andthat song drugs that you yep,
that you told me about oh mygosh, the drugs don't work yeah,
it's like.
It's like I gotta.
(36:13):
I gotta figure out what thenext thing is, because getting
high doesn't get me high anymore.
You know it's like, it's like Igotta I gotta figure out what
the next thing is, becausegetting high doesn't get me high
anymore.
You know, and it's like I thinkthat's the point Sarah, you know
that you're making, and it'slike, it's like he's got to beat
the last thing.
And I thought to myself, like,like, is it just that you have
so much that you're like bored?
(36:34):
It must be, it's gotta be alittle bit of all of it.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Yeah man, there has to be a board factor.
Or I always say when people arebored, sometimes they get into
trouble and there is a place youget to where you're just like
listen guys like money can onlybuy so much, though.
Speaker 4 (36:51):
You know, Right, that's true.
Yeah, To an extent can buypeople, maybe, depending on the
extent, but even evenfriendships.
And you know, uh, opportunities, and you know, in this instance
, uh, industry opportunities,fame.
You know actual physical things, clothes and houses.
(37:11):
You know that kind of stuff ismanipulatively bought.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Yeah, you know, when you start to own someone, yeah,
Well, and when you startcreating their careers and they
start depending on you and thenyou you expect more from them,
it's really, really messed upand I would you know.
Okay, so back in the I think itwas the early 2000s yeah, this
(37:35):
guy in New York was the attorneygeneral of New York and he came
after all the record labels tochase them for what is called
payola.
So he chased all the recordlabels cause they were paying
radio stations to get recordsplayed.
Why don't we and I'm not sayingthis isn't happening, but why
doesn't the CIA, the FBI thisisn't happening, but why doesn't
the CIA, the FBI, whoever's incharge of this go and
(38:04):
investigate these individualpeople who have that much power
to make sure that they're usingit?
I mean, somebody is gettingpaid off here and there, right
Right.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
Well, it kind of reminds me of our health care
system, it doesn't?
It's like we don't haveinsurance and doctors and stuff
like that to help us stay.
Well, we go there whensomething's wrong yeah, you know
so it's kind of like having thefbi, fbi or the cia or whatever
go and go.
Hey, we just want to make surethat everything is good here.
Everything is well yeah like wedon't we.
(38:30):
That's not how our society isyeah, they're not accountable
right and it's like and insteadit's like oh, we got to go chase
the bad guys, you know, andit's like.
I think what you're saying islike is there a way to prevent
people from getting to thatplace to begin with?
You know, Right.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
And is there?
Um, so many of those issues areso taboo you don't want anyone
to know.
So taboo, you don't want anyoneto know, right, yeah, and how
do you have a safe place forpeople to go if they actively
want to?
I'm not saying everyone will,but right, right.
Well, I don't want to give anypity to diddy.
Um, could we end this episodewith a little bit of Joy
(39:14):
Alotikun from her new recordthat just came out, and the song
is called Drugs, drugs.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
And if, like right before the theme music of our
podcast kicks in, I think shouldbe like right at the tail end
of that song.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
Oh yeah, I love that here comes.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
Probably shouldn't be stoned.
The drugs don't work.
Oh, I can't get high.
Oh, doctor, doctor, find me anew way to survive, survive.
What happened to the good olddays where you could take a hit
(40:00):
of that good shit and feel yourtroubles fade away?
I guess I've got to make achange.
I'm not sober, I'm just over,trying to smoke away the rage.
The drugs don't work.
Oh, I can't get high.
Oh, doctor, doctor, find me anew way to survive.
(40:25):
And my friends don't callunless they need a ride.
Oh, father, father feels likeI'm barely getting by.
Oh, father, father feels likeI'm barely getting by.
Seems like I gotta look for anew way to survive.
(40:49):
I've been running on empty andcalling it strength.
I've reopened all woundsbecause I won't take a break.
I know I've got to make achange.
I won't hurt myself or gothrough hell trying to prove my
place.
The judge don't work.
Get high, doctor, doctor, findme a new way to survive.
(41:13):
And my friends don't callUnless they need a ride.
Oh, for the part that feelslike I'm barely getting by Seems
like I gotta look for a new wayto survive.
All the wine and the weed Justwon't heal my disease.
(41:51):
The drugs don't work.
Oh, I can't get high.
Oh, doctor, doctor, find me anew way to survive.
And my friends don't callUnless they need a ride.
Oh, father, father, feels likeI'm barely getting by.
(42:13):
The drugs don't work.
Oh, I can't get high.
Oh, doctor, doctor, find me anew way to survive.
And my friends don't callUnless they need me.
Oh, I'm wild and proud.
It feels like I'm barelygetting by.
(42:35):
Seems like I'm barely gettingby.
Seems like I gotta look for anew way to survive.
Speaker 4 (42:50):
Seems like I gotta look for a new way to survive.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
School break 12th break.
Special thanks to our producer,sarah Reed, to find out more.
Cat and Moose is a BPproduction.
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