November 11, 2024 • 39 mins
Ever felt like the weight of the world is resting on your shoulders, especially when current events leave you feeling helpless? Join Kat and Moose as we unpack the unsettling results of a recent election and its impact on marginalized groups, including women, people of color, and the LGBTQ+ community. While Producer Sara is off exploring Australia, we grapple with feelings of despondency, emphasizing the necessity of mental health care and mindful media consumption. Our conversation evolves into a call for empowerment, urging listeners to find their own voice and advocate for change. We dive deep into how perspective can be the key to moving forward, even when the world seems to be at odds with progress.
Switching gears, we recount a memorable birthday celebration at Emmy Squared Pizza in Nashville that sparked a profound discussion on personal growth and self-acceptance. We share stories about battling inner critics, overcoming self-doubt, and embracing our unique awesomeness. This episode uncovers how past traumas and limiting beliefs can hinder our journey towards a liberated life. By recognizing our natural abilities and steering clear of harmful comparisons, we champion the power of self-acceptance and individuality. With heartwarming anecdotes and candid reflections, we offer a roadmap for leading a more fulfilling and authentic life, reminding you that everyone's path is unique, and that's where the beauty lies.
Follow us on Instagram and Facebook! Support the show!
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to the Cat and Moose podcast.
I'm Cat.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
And I'm Moose.
This is a true life podcastwhere we explore the quirks of
being human.
Hey Cat, hey Moose Sarah's nothere.
She's in the lovely country ofAustralia.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
And I'm just noticing a pattern.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Well, I would agree if it wasn't her job, if she's
just in different countries,running away from us, right?
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Which, as far as we know, that may be what's
happening.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
She did leave right before the election.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
To a country with a socialist economy.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Oh man she was sending me pictures of she's
already in love with Brisbane.
Is she in Brisbane or Melbourne?
I don't know One of them.
No, I think Brisbane it she inBrisbane or Melbourne?
I don't know One of them.
No, I think Brisbane it'sMelbourne.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
I just want to know if she's met Kathy.
No, she's not gotten to.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Sydney yet.
Oh, okay, but she really wantsto see Kathy.
That would be cool man.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
I hope that they get to meet so bad and I hope that,
kathy, if you're still listeningGod love you, man, and I hope
that, kathy, if you're stilllistening.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
God love you, man.
So last week we recorded anepisode.
If you're a patron, youreceived that episode and maybe
you made your way through it.
We don't know.
If you're not a patron, wedidn't release that episode.
So, as you can imagine, it'sbeen a week and a half or two.
(01:46):
I can't even keep up anymore.
Um, but the election happened,yeah, is there anything you want
to say about?
Speaker 1 (01:53):
that I mean, there's so much I want to say about it
and yet nothing I want to sayabout it, you know.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
I feel the same way.
I put up my Christmas tree thisweek, this week, uh, just
because I needed something happyin my life.
I am unhappy with the results.
I'll go ahead and say that thatis not who I voted for.
Yes, I am as well, and uh, yeah, I mean I.
(02:20):
I'll just let's just get it outof the way real quick and feel
free to skip if you do not wantto hear this, yeah, skip it.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
If you hate politics stuff, just forward, forward,
forward forward.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Absolutely Right.
So just real quick.
Let's do a quick recap.
I want to say this I feel likeI'm skipping from one cult to
another in my life.
You know, now we're under theleadership of this Hoo ha.
Um, well, let me say this Uh,it's sobering for me to think
(02:52):
that this is America.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Yeah, uh, and I I won't make a whole lot of
judgment, I won't do a whole lotof name calling at all because,
um, you know, I've got friendswho voted for trump, I've got uh
it's so hard for me to eventalk about, but, um, I guess for
me the hardest thing is that,uh, people I love, who uh are
(03:19):
female, who are people of color,who are people, people a part
of the LGBTQ plus community, itbreaks my heart that, for them
mostly, that like, here we areagain.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
That's what I want to say and what do you think?
I'm curious, like, what youthink of of those groups of
people that you just mentioned,like why, why, in your opinion,
is it worse for them thaneverybody else?
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Well, because he Trump does not prioritize at all
the rights of women.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Right.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
The rights of people of color Right or the rights of
LGBTQ plus people.
So I mean, in an instant, wecould see equality of marriage
go away.
I mean, right now, california,hawaii and one other state
codified it I think I don't evenknow if that's the right
(04:14):
language but that it would haveto stay in those states.
That was a part of the ballotalready.
Which is smart of them.
Which is smart of them, um, andyeah, I just I worry because,
especially people who live inthe South, like it's a, it feels
harder here.
I will say that, um, it feelsmore oppressive in some ways and
(04:39):
, um, when you see your stateturn red year after year after
year, I do think it is uh, itcan be exhausting and we have to
take care of our mental healthand we have to decide what we
watch and we don't watch andwhat we consume.
Um, here's where I've landed.
You can tune in now.
This is the positive part.
Here's where I've landed.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
You need a chapter marker right here.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Yeah, put a chapter marker.
Hey, ai, put a chapter markerright here, right here.
Um, so where I've landed iswhat can I control at this point
?
Because I, I'm going to keepgrieving.
However I need to grieve, I'mgoing to process it, whatever.
But here's the positive pieceis what is it that I can do to
(05:25):
resist or to progress myself ina way that, um, that feels like
resistance, because I, you know,I'm naturally somebody who
wants to fight back.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
The name of my company has the word boxer in it
.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Like I like to fight and so um.
(06:07):
So I'm I'm sort of meditatingon that, like what does it look
like for?
Speaker 1 (06:09):
me to.
How do I become so incrediblyvocal in a loving way, you know
and also become an advocate inmy own life, like that's really
what I can control?
I love that.
I think that that's really, um,that's great perspective.
And you know, me and and I meanall of us are like this.
All of us meaning you, me andproducer Sarah I'm talking about
the three of us that are thecat and moose podcast Um, we all
enjoy perspective, like weenjoy kind of going.
Huh, I didn't think of it thatway.
Um, and, and that's what I'vebeen searching for the most, you
(06:34):
know, is like what is the whatis, what is perspective that I
can take into consideration?
And one of the things that I'vereally appreciated is I have
several people in my life whohave said you know, I'm really
sad about this, I'm worriedabout our country, et cetera, et
cetera.
And I have people in my familyand I have people in my friend
circle who voted Republican andI just need some perspective
(07:00):
from them.
You know, and, and I really,and I feel similarly, you know,
and I've got family members thatI'm I'm close with that I can
say we don't, we know, we don'tagree, so let's, let's start the
conversation there.
So this is not a fight, it'snot an argument and we don't
need to get fired up about it.
Just give me your perspective,because I, we just don't see eye
(07:24):
to eye on this, you know, andit's like that's.
That's what I keep trying togain is is.
I just want to gain someperspective.
And also, it's kind of funnythat you say like I'm going to
just focus on what I can control, because that's been the
narrative of everybody I'vetalked to, regardless of which
side everybody I've talked to,regardless of which side you
(07:47):
know, of the you know politicalspace they stand.
It's like I, the only thing Ican control is me, you know.
And so it's like the thing thatI've considered is I'm like well
, there's a lot of people in mycircle who have kind of talked
about dabbling with this healingarts thing.
Like maybe I'll come, get onyour table, like maybe I'll book
a session, like maybe I can tryout this body work thing.
(08:08):
Whether it's with me or withanother practitioner, I really
don't care.
It's like if this is one morelike avenue toward people being
able to go, I'm vulnerable, Idon't know what to do, I'm
freaked out.
It's like okay, then that'ssomewhere to start your healing
journey, you know, and if thathas to, whether it has to do
with politics or whatever it is,it's like okay, like let's
(08:36):
start somewhere, you know.
And so to me it's like I feellike might there be an even
greater opportunity for healingin this next season of time for
us and for our country?
And and what does that looklike?
You know, and I have, how canwe know?
We have no idea.
We can't predict the future.
We certainly couldn't predictthe election.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
No, we could not.
It's funny Cause the day oflike I felt so confident, not
like cocky, I just had peace.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
I was like.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Oh, this is going to be all right.
Like we're going to finallyhave a woman who is president,
which is listen, if you do notchoose to identify as female.
I don't think you canunderstand that, Just like I
can't understand what it waslike when we had the first black
president, you know, but likethere is a child inside of me.
(09:19):
That was like this is going tobe it.
Yeah, and I thought, I honestlythought a woman of character, a
woman who feels joyful, notjust like this, you know, stoic
like I was, like Kamala, is theperfect person for this.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Yeah, I mean her Saturday night live skit with
Maya Rudolph was just soendearing, you know it's like
she can laugh at herself Likethat's cool.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
It's great, I know, I just I loved her and and that
she's a woman of color that youknow.
Just so much of it.
I was like here we go, and then, when it didn't happen, it it
I'll tell you what it felt like.
And this is going deep.
And look, this is what we gottoday.
It felt like there was a timemy dad was supposed to come pick
(10:04):
me and my sister up and I satby the window the entire day and
my mom started realizing he maynot be coming and I thought, oh
, no, no, no, no, and I wasmaking up excuse after excuse,
like kind of like, as I wereseeing all of the red States
coming in and and Trump winning,I was like, oh, oh, it's okay,
(10:24):
we still have a shot over herein the sunbelt.
And you know, yeah, yeah, butit felt like my dad never came
to pick me up, like it was likethat same guttural feeling of
like something must be wronghere.
Yeah, yeah, why would Americalet me down?
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Right, right, it's, it's.
It's weird, like hearing yousay that.
It made me remember the momentthat I learned that my dad had
passed away, and how that feltin my body.
I mean, it is like my entire,like my entire system like just
(11:05):
hit the floor, yeah, you know.
And then it's like, because mysystem is so resilient and my
body is so for me like I pickedmy shit up and got it together
as quick as possible, but it'slike that feeling of like, yeah,
it's just like whoa.
And I remember, you know,talking with friends about, oh,
the red mirage.
(11:25):
This always happens Like at thebeginning of the.
You know talking with friendsabout, oh, the red mirage.
This always happens Like at thebeginning of the.
You know the counts coming in.
It looks like, oh, it's goingto be overwhelmingly Republican
and then it's going to that's,that's just a mirage, it's just
going to go away.
And it kept happening like itkept.
I was like this is not a mirageanymore, like there's actually
a lake in the desert.
I think Like actually a lake inthe desert.
I think Like, I think that'swhat's happening here and, um,
(11:53):
you know what?
I hope that there are somegreat changes.
You know, it's like I've heardthings like you know who's going
to be put in charge of the FDAand who's going to be put in
charge of cleaning house in thegovernment and stuff like that,
and it's like maybe some goodstuff is going to happen.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Well, and that's where we you're right.
We can't throw the baby outwith the bathwater.
And look, I don't think there'smuch around Trump that is
positive.
However, there may be reallygood people in that
administration.
I mean, I can't think of manyof them, but I'm sure there are
people who still want to becivil servants.
(12:26):
Sure, there are people whostill want to be civil servants.
And let me just say I want tosay this I am not some staunch
Democrat.
If there was a differentrespectable Republican running,
I would be like, oh, we lost,okay, let's figure it out.
But it is because he is such anangry, you know scary, fear
(12:51):
mongering man and that he's beenconvicted of clearly sexually
assaulting a woman, if notothers, and it's things like
that.
It's like I'm not somebody.
That's just like I didn't win,like no, I'm afraid of this guy,
yeah, yeah.
But back to what you said, kat,I want to.
(13:11):
I want to mention somethingCause you talked about like I've
seen so many like group Zoomsof like counselors putting out
like let's talk about it.
If you're struggling and and II think it's important to
recognize the grief that some ofus have and to process it, and
I think someone like you as ahealing arts professional, um is
(13:37):
someone that can do that for usand, and you know, I just want
to say, even if you'reuncomfortable or don't
understand all the ginseng doughstuff Kat does, she also does
massage.
Even if you're uncomfortable ordon't understand all the
ginseng dough stuff Kat does,she also does massage and if
you're in Nashville you shouldgo see her.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Well, thank you for that that plug there.
I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
So we celebrated your birthday this weekend.
On Friday, we went out to MEsquared pizza in Germantown, and
Germantown, in nashville, ifyou're not familiar, is like
this cool old part of town withlike it almost feels brooklyn-y
to me.
Yeah, it does, yeah, yeah, um.
(14:17):
And so we went over there.
Super cool vibes on the inside,even though it's a pizza place.
It's a pizza place.
It's like high end pizza, y'allDelicious.
And we sat at the surfboardtable and we got amazing group
of people by the way, a bunch offriends of yours and I enjoyed
(14:39):
where I sat and I asked for whatI needed, even though it was
your birthday, for what I needed, even though it was your
birthday.
I was like, can you keep mesafe from people?
And you were like, yes, and Ilove that.
I don't have to expand on that.
You just knew what that meant.
But one of the things that weended up talking about as we
were asking you what you werelooking forward to in this next
(15:00):
year and I want you to expand onthat too but, um, was what does
it look like to ask our friendswhat is one way you would like
to see me grow?
And so we went around the tableand said that for you.
Um, do you remember any of theanswers?
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Oh, my gosh?
Of course I do.
I've, I've taken them to heartand and, uh, one of our friends
challenged me with um and I'mnot going to say it verbatim,
cause I'm terrible at sayingthings verbatim Um, which I just
did the exact opposite thingthat she challenged me to do.
Um, was, was, was to kind ofclaim my awesomeness, to claim
(15:47):
what I'm good at, to claim how Ispeak about myself, you know,
and um, and so I was talking toher just yesterday and I I gave
myself a compliment at what askilled communicator I can be at
times, absolutely, and, and itlike it just felt different in
my whole body to say that andand not fear, like you know, I'm
(16:12):
going to get shot up, you know,like I'm going to.
It's like that's a lie, youstupid whore.
You know, it's like it feltreally different in my whole
body to say like, like, yeah,there, there are times at which
I can really be a really skilledcommunicator and it's like so
much so that I'll have a weeklypodcast, so much so that I talk
(16:32):
to people for a living, like,like that's yay, cat, you know.
And so, yes, I do remember allof the things that that I was
encouraged to do and I reallyhave taken them all to heart.
I really have.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Good, good.
So here's my question what iskeeping you from being that
bad-ass self Like?
What are you afraid is going tohappen if you were to step into
that?
Speaker 1 (17:03):
I don't feel like I'm afraid of.
And I remember I was a part ofa competition in college and it
had this like on stage interviewquestion and they were like,
what's your biggest fear?
And I said my biggest fear issuccess.
And everybody was like, oh,that's such a great answer, you
know, and if you would haveasked me then, why is that your
biggest fear?
I would have been like I don'tknow, it just sounds scary.
(17:25):
So I'm glad there wasn't afollow-up question.
It's like I sounded reallysmart and then was done, you
know, and so I don't.
I don't think that that's myfear anymore.
It's not.
It's not a fear of of doingwell or being successful or
stepping into my bad ass self.
It's like I'm just so aware ofmy shortcomings that they're
(17:49):
still struggling to be theloudest thing in my head.
You know, it's like they're themy shortcomings are just so
loud.
To me it's really.
It's not about being afraid ofbeing a badass.
It's more about like quietingthat inner critic and and
training up that inner mentor.
(18:09):
You know, it's like it's to meit's.
It's a it's.
It's letting go of old habits,of old narratives, and that's
hard work.
Yeah, I'm not afraid.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
What, like you said, you're so aware of your
shortcomings?
I'm totally doing a coachingsession.
What?
Give me an example?
What's the first one that comesto mind?
Um, I need to lose weight.
Oh, I'm only laughing becauseI'm like, oh, I got that girl in
my head too.
Okay, so losing weight likethat is keeping you from what?
Speaker 1 (18:45):
buying anything new for myself to wear in the past
seven years and what does thathave to do with who you?
Are.
I feel like I don't lookprofessional at my job.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Okay, all right, I have stumped the coach this is
me stepping out of the coach'srole and going come back, come
back, come back.
Interesting, isn't itinteresting?
(19:19):
Like, here's the thing, y'all,it's all in our head.
I recognized yesterday thatI've been really working on like
limiting beliefs like this andI finally went.
What is the limiting beliefthat is controlling my anxiety?
And what was it?
Well, if Sarah's driving andI'm in the car, I am constantly
(19:42):
using the brake or sliding outof my seat going, and I realized
I have a lot of trauma,definitely around car wrecks
I've been in many, so there'sthat, but also I can loosen that
and I can get out what is goingon.
And the entire limiting beliefis bad things are going to
(20:02):
happen to me and I believe thatbecause they have.
But that is a really sad way tolive your life.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Because my filter is always I can't do that because
something's going to happen,which is true Even if I have to
drive to East Nashville at eighto'clock at night.
That sounds like okay, this isthe end, yeah, and at dark, you
know end, yeah, and.
And at dark, you know, like I,I'm afraid to go out at dark
(20:35):
sometimes because I'm afraidsomething bad's going to happen,
which is so crazy.
So all that to say what is yourlimiting belief around you?
You stepping into, like I amexcellent at what I do, whether
that's music industry or healingarts.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Um, I think that I, I recognize that I am
undisciplined and therefore Ifeel like I don't deserve to be
good, Like I don't have.
I don't meditate 17 minutes aday, Like I don't do my pal Dan
gum every morning, Like I,they're just, it's like I'm not,
(21:14):
I'm not super choicefullydisciplined.
Now, do I study?
Do I immerse myself in thematerial?
Do I, you know, go to class?
Yeah, I do all kinds of greatstuff.
I'm not saying I just like amlaying around like a blob, you
know it's like, but but I justdon't have, you know, I just
(21:37):
don't have the kind ofdiscipline where I feel like,
outside of my natural abilities,I can be awesome and my natural
abilities are enough, Likethat's enough and then that's.
It's very hard for me tobelieve that that's true.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Okay, I'm hearing two things comparison which you
just have to get rid of becausesomebody in your life does those
things that you don't do.
You don't naturally want to dothem, or you would do them.
What you enjoy is reading andstudying, and that may be the
(22:15):
part of the journey that you'reon.
Yeah, where they're part of thejourney is I've done that and
now I need to go physically movemy body around in the morning.
Yeah, so fix that.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
This is a great coaching session.
This is not how I coach.
If you, if you, would like tobe coached, I mean, this is how
I coach you.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
This is how I coach.
Yeah, both of our licenses aregone right now.
And then uh.
and then, secondly, I'm hearingyou say's just I mean not to
burst your bubble, but it's justa good old case of, uh,
imposter syndrome yeah yeah, andit's like you can't change
(22:58):
imposter syndrome until you justdo it right, right, and I'm in
it too, like I have it as well,where I'm in it too, like I have
it as well, where I'm like whatis keeping me from just fully
diving into this, that or that,whatever?
And it's because I'm like it'snever going to work.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Yeah, yeah, and as you're talking about it, like
I'm thinking that what is myfear Like kind of you're getting
in the car example, you know,and it's my fear, is somebody's
going to hurt me, likesomebody's going to hurt me If I
say if I say, like you knowwhat, I am the best artist
manager in the world, likesomebody very quickly can come
(23:40):
and point out all the ways wherethat is not true.
You know, if I'm to say like I'mthe best you know body work
practitioner in the world, Ifeel like I can imagine a line
of people telling me why that'snot true, you know, and that
feels hurtful.
It's like I don't, I don't wantanybody to hurt me, so it's
kind of it seems easier to kindof float around an average land
(24:03):
than it does to be like you know, like it Right, and I can point
out moments in my life wherethat has been true.
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
And I?
I think another way to look atit could be like I'm not just
I'm the best, but I am the bestat as an artist manager.
Like what is your thing Cause?
Like, here's the reality.
Who the hell knows what thatmeans?
Speaker 1 (24:27):
I mean, are we, are you?
Speaker 2 (24:29):
are you back in a pageant again, are you?
Speaker 1 (24:31):
at your beauty pageant.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
You're like somebody.
I'm in my bikini girl, and Ineed somebody to look and say I
want that.
Like, no, like, what are youthe best at in that role?
Cause, who the hell wants tojust be the best?
Like, right, right.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
To me that is very empty.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
It's like, oh good, I got a trophy and we can move on
, but like, that's good, I Icould tell you a million things
that you're the best.
I think you're a really greatlistener at both jobs that you
have.
I think that you I texted youthat the other day, Sarah and I
were talking about it and wewere we literally went through
all of our close friends andlisted what we loved about them.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Oh, that's fun.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
That sounds like a really really it was only two or
three.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Hey, I'm just glad I was on the list, Uh but yeah,
maybe it's not.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Maybe it's like because here's the thing and
this goes back to my hundreddays of being myself Like, what
are you uniquely good at, andmore than even good at, because
sometimes you know I was a greatleader but I did not want to be
first chair, clarinetist, rightLike, what do you want to keep
(25:50):
doing is really the question,because you can get part, you
can be hard on yourself all dayabout.
Well, I'm not disciplinedenough and I do the same thing,
like, but maybe there's a reasonI'm not disciplined enough and
I do the same thing like butmaybe there's a reason I'm not
disciplined in that maybe I'mnot really enjoying that piece
of it, but what is it that I'mnaturally gravitating towards
(26:11):
all the time?
Yeah, that interests me.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
That's where you got to spend your time and love and
heart yeah, because, like, Ithink of, I think of my, both of
my jobs and I can think of likewell, but I'm not good at this,
I'm not good at this, I'm notgood at that, I'm not good at
that.
And the thing that I have toremind myself from my like seven
habits of highly effectivepeople training when I was 21
years old, you know is is isbasically like spend 80% of your
(26:38):
time working in your gifts,working in your skillset, and
20% of your time delegating yourweaknesses, Like I remember
that being a principle that Iwas taught somewhere in there.
Um and and and.
What I do is I obsess over whatI'm not good at, and what I
could really do is take thattime that I'm obsessing and
(26:59):
figure out how to delegate it orhow to hire it out.
I mean, it's like it's thethings that I'm not good at in
my job.
It's like I know people who aregood at them.
It's like just ask them to dothe job and pay them money, Like
that's not complicated, but forsome reason, I'm just over here
like I'm really bad at that.
I'm really bad at that.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
I'm really bad at that.
I'm really bad at that.
I'm really bad at that.
It's like what in the world?
That's what.
That's the grid that we have,that's the pathway we've created
over all of these years, rightis?
I know I'm not good at that.
Well, I, I'm starting to let goof that shit, man.
I'm starting to go like youknow what.
There's a reason.
Am I gonna spend a hundredyears beating myself up at like
I don't like doing?
(27:42):
I was in a coaching session lastweek and I said to someone they
said, oh my gosh, I'm hiring anassistant.
And I said what do you hatedoing?
And they said, well, that's anodd question.
And I said, no, that's whatyou're going to give your
assistant.
Yeah, and now, granted, itshould be more nuanced than that
to make sure that they don'talso hate doing that.
But but that is such as much asthat.
(28:06):
That's usually how we find outwhat we love doing, because,
like, everyone should pull yourcar over and make a list of five
things you hate doing anywherein your life.
Like honestly, and and don'tever do it again.
Like, for me, I hate cleaningand I, for four years, have
(28:27):
cleaned this house and I finallywas like Nope, I'm hiring
someone, I'm totally hiringsomeone.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Good for you.
Doesn't it feel so amazing tohave someone clean your house?
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Yes, I had it at my old house and I don't know why I
stopped doing it.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Oh my gosh, like to me, that is some of the most
well-spent money.
I will stand by that.
Like I to me.
I used to.
I remember I used to spendevery Saturday, eight hours a
day cleaning my house and Iremember the moment I had the
realization, like time is moneyand this is not how I want to be
(29:04):
spending my time.
That's right.
And ever since then I havehired someone to clean my house
and it gives me so much life.
Right, like so much life.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Well, it's just just it's such good, such a good
thing for your mental health tohave a clean house.
Sure, yeah, yeah, what's?
Something you hate?
Speaker 1 (29:27):
doing Anything having to do with money.
Right, and you don't you choosenot to do it.
I don't, I don't, I, I, I yes,you're right, I have effectively
solved that, navigated that.
Yeah, because I really don'thave to deal with it.
And when I do have to deal withit, I immediately pull in an
expert.
Yeah, like, whether it's withmy finances or with my clients
(29:50):
finances or whatever it is, it'slike I don't do it by myself
because I hate it.
I hate it and I am capable ofit.
I know how to do it.
I don't, I just don't want to.
I hate it and I am capable ofit.
I know how to do it.
I don't, I just don't want to.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
I hate it, yeah there's certain events that I
hate going to like and, uh, Ihave gotten to a place where I'm
getting better at saying no tothem.
But some of those you have tosay yes to because it's your job
.
But, man, it's hard for mesometimes to be like this show
(30:22):
starts at 9 pm and you want meto show up there?
Speaker 1 (30:26):
uh- huh right, I'm normally going to bed at that
time honestly.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
I mean I said to you on your birthday I was like I
don't even know who you are a 7pm dinner like we're we're.
We went to Sperry's the otherday and I think we had a 4 30
reservation.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Yes, yes, it was 4 45 oh my god.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
Something I love is going to dinner with friends
yeah, I love that too.
I love that too.
I don't need anyone to takethat role.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
So, moose you, you threatened I'm going to say
threatened to you had somepretty big things that you
wanted to bring up this week,and I know coaching me was not
one of them.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Oh well, let me look at my list.
Do you know what's on my?
Speaker 1 (31:18):
list.
I know that there were a fewthings that you were extremely
passionate about, that you Did Itell you what they were?
Speaker 2 (31:25):
No, oh, I didn't.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
No, you never do.
That's like the ilk of ourpodcast is.
We never know what each other'sgoing to talk about.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Yeah, well, I know I wanted to talk about me at
recognizing that limiting belief.
I did read this article.
I'm going to share this withour patrons.
I read this article that wasreally impactful to me on
BuzzFeed.
It was about this woman whobecame a pastor in the Episcopal
(31:56):
church and then she kind oflost her faith and sort of came
back around to it at the end ina different way and um.
So I was going to talk aboutthat, but I'll put it in our
Patreon um feed.
Also, if you're a patron or youhave thought about joining, we
(32:17):
are going to be doing a fewextra things.
I'm going to be sharing somemore content around my hundred
days of being myself.
Kat's going to be sharing somethings around body work.
We're going to be kind offeeding more into that and my
question is would you guys likeus to stay on Patreon or do you
(32:37):
want something like a sub stackor something like that?
Tell us, um, you know how totell us.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Yeah, tell us all the ways.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
And this week you need to chat.
I'm talking to you, listeners.
Your challenge is to write thefive things that you hate and
the five things that you lovedoing yeah, the things that you
naturally are like I have someextra time right now, what do I
want to do?
That's always hard for me, isit you, kat, when I have extra
time, yeah, to like go.
Okay, I literally don't have tobe doing work or something
(33:09):
right now.
Is it hard for you to like go?
What do I want to go do rightnow, or do you?
Speaker 1 (33:16):
naturally like flow into something.
Sometimes it's hard.
Sometimes it's hard becausethere's so many things I want to
do and I can't decide which one.
I don't find myself at a lossfor knowing what I would enjoy
doing, Like I don't.
I don't find myself at that atthat loss very much, and if I do
, I normally go to sleep.
Oh, interesting, Like, if I'mlike I don't know what to do
(33:46):
with myself, it's like youprobably need to rest because
there's a lot that I love to do.
And if I can't come up with it.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
I'm probably pretty tired.
That's amazing.
I wish I could just go nap likethat.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Um, what about you?
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Um, I, I generally come in my office and write is
what I usually do, and right nowit's been about the 100 days of
being myself, and or I go graba book off my bookshelf and flip
through it Like I generally amlooking for inspiration or
challenge, and then I usuallywrite about I'm looking for,
(34:17):
like a prompt or something.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Nice, I love that.
Write about I'm looking forlike a prompt or something.
Nice, I love that.
I love um.
It reminds me of a couple ofepisodes ago when you um gave
chat GBT the words from yourbooks and then had it like talk
about like what your interestswere Like.
I thought that was so neat.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Oh I, I probably overused chat GBT.
I had it build me a road triprecently and it was brilliant
Really, stuff I hadn't eventhought of.
I was like build me a road,it's all in my brain.
I'm not sure I'm actually goingto go do this.
I was like send me on a roadtrip for 10 days to all the
areas that have like beautifulChristmas towns.
(34:53):
And it built this beautifulroad trip up to the Northeast
and I secretly want to go on itnow.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
Oh my gosh, I want to go with you.
I just really want to get up toMaine to have some lobster.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
That is like I know we got to see Tori and her
family and any other listenersin Maine.
Yeah, okay, what are yousharing?
Share your screen.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Okay, well, I, I just .
I got a really good laugh theother day and sometimes just
really stupid humor is is thekind of medicine that we need,
and so I just wanted to share itwith you.
Um, I want to see if you can.
Can you hear this?
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Okay, this is entitled best animal farts.
Okay, I'm ready.
Okay, that's a hippo.
Oh my God, check this out.
Oh my God, oh my God, checkthis out.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
This is so good.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Is this real or overdubbed?
It's overdubbed.
Check this out, oh my god.
That is not real.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
This is real.
This is a girl sitting with herhorse.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Sarah's going to love this.
She loves farts.
Goodness gracious, they musthave eaten some.
I said gracious.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
Goodness gracious, they must have eaten some.
I said gracious, goodnessgracious they must have eaten
some garlic.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Doesn't garlic always give you the tooth?
It gives me the toots, bad, bad.
I know sarah loves to cook withgarlic and I'm like lord child,
mom, I cannot handle it mybelly will get out to here yeah,
it's really good for you.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
Supposedly I just like I.
I was scrolling Facebook theother day, which I don't do a
lot, and um, and I came acrossthat and for some reason it just
got my goozle, like it, just it.
I was so tickled I must havewatched it 50 times and whether
it's overdubbed or not, I don'tknow.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
I don't really.
It doesn't matter like it was.
I mean, it's brought usbbed ornot, I don't know, I don't
really care, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
I mean it's brought us joy.
Yeah, it brought me so much joy, Like seeing a hippo, a
rhinoceros, a horse, an elephant, a cat all fart.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
It's like there's no way that that cat had that kind
of gas I don't know the way thattail was going, like I gotta
tell you that elephant.
It sounded like a damnearthquake.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
I love that half of the time there's just poop
falling out and it's like Idon't know why it's so funny,
because we all gotta do it.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
We all gotta poop, you know oh man, I used to be so
grossed out by farts, and theolder I get, the more I love
them yeah, I celebrate that,totally celebrate that, and I
you're the only friend I have.
That will just blow one infront of me.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
I don't know what that says about our friendship.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
Well, I don't know either, but it's good, all right
, we love you guys.
Have a wonderful week, people.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Have a wonderful week .
You guys are awesome.
Thank you for listening.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Oh, I've got a quote to end us on.
It's a Henry Wadsworthlongfellow, just another white
guy.
But here's the quote.
The best, the best thing onecan do when it is raining is to
let it rain oh, that's very good.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
That is good.
Thanks, moose, love you guys.
Special thanks to our producer,Sarah Reed.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
To find out more, go to catandmoosepodcastcom.
Cat and Moose is a BPProduction.
Welcome to the Cat and Moose podcast.
I'm Cat.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
And I'm Moose.
This is a true life podcastwhere we explore the quirks of
being human.
Hey Cat, hey Moose Sarah's nothere.
She's in the lovely country ofAustralia.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
And I'm just noticing a pattern.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Well, I would agree if it wasn't her job, if she's
just in different countries,running away from us, right?
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Which, as far as we know, that may be what's
happening.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
She did leave right before the election.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
To a country with a socialist economy.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Oh man she was sending me pictures of she's
already in love with Brisbane.
Is she in Brisbane or Melbourne?
I don't know One of them.
No, I think Brisbane it she inBrisbane or Melbourne?
I don't know One of them.
No, I think Brisbane it'sMelbourne.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
I just want to know if she's met Kathy.
No, she's not gotten to.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Sydney yet.
Oh, okay, but she really wantsto see Kathy.
That would be cool man.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
I hope that they get to meet so bad and I hope that,
kathy, if you're still listeningGod love you, man, and I hope
that, kathy, if you're stilllistening.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
God love you, man.
So last week we recorded anepisode.
If you're a patron, youreceived that episode and maybe
you made your way through it.
We don't know.
If you're not a patron, wedidn't release that episode.
So, as you can imagine, it'sbeen a week and a half or two.
(01:46):
I can't even keep up anymore.
Um, but the election happened,yeah, is there anything you want
to say about?
Speaker 1 (01:53):
that I mean, there's so much I want to say about it
and yet nothing I want to sayabout it, you know.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
I feel the same way.
I put up my Christmas tree thisweek, this week, uh, just
because I needed something happyin my life.
I am unhappy with the results.
I'll go ahead and say that thatis not who I voted for.
Yes, I am as well, and uh, yeah, I mean I.
(02:20):
I'll just let's just get it outof the way real quick and feel
free to skip if you do not wantto hear this, yeah, skip it.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
If you hate politics stuff, just forward, forward,
forward forward.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Absolutely Right.
So just real quick.
Let's do a quick recap.
I want to say this I feel likeI'm skipping from one cult to
another in my life.
You know, now we're under theleadership of this Hoo ha.
Um, well, let me say this Uh,it's sobering for me to think
(02:52):
that this is America.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Yeah, uh, and I I won't make a whole lot of
judgment, I won't do a whole lotof name calling at all because,
um, you know, I've got friendswho voted for trump, I've got uh
it's so hard for me to eventalk about, but, um, I guess for
me the hardest thing is that,uh, people I love, who uh are
(03:19):
female, who are people of color,who are people, people a part
of the LGBTQ plus community, itbreaks my heart that, for them
mostly, that like, here we areagain.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
That's what I want to say and what do you think?
I'm curious, like, what youthink of of those groups of
people that you just mentioned,like why, why, in your opinion,
is it worse for them thaneverybody else?
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Well, because he Trump does not prioritize at all
the rights of women.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Right.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
The rights of people of color Right or the rights of
LGBTQ plus people.
So I mean, in an instant, wecould see equality of marriage
go away.
I mean, right now, california,hawaii and one other state
codified it I think I don't evenknow if that's the right
(04:14):
language but that it would haveto stay in those states.
That was a part of the ballotalready.
Which is smart of them.
Which is smart of them, um, andyeah, I just I worry because,
especially people who live inthe South, like it's a, it feels
harder here.
I will say that, um, it feelsmore oppressive in some ways and
(04:39):
, um, when you see your stateturn red year after year after
year, I do think it is uh, itcan be exhausting and we have to
take care of our mental healthand we have to decide what we
watch and we don't watch andwhat we consume.
Um, here's where I've landed.
You can tune in now.
This is the positive part.
Here's where I've landed.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
You need a chapter marker right here.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Yeah, put a chapter marker.
Hey, ai, put a chapter markerright here, right here.
Um, so where I've landed iswhat can I control at this point
?
Because I, I'm going to keepgrieving.
However I need to grieve, I'mgoing to process it, whatever.
But here's the positive pieceis what is it that I can do to
(05:25):
resist or to progress myself ina way that, um, that feels like
resistance, because I, you know,I'm naturally somebody who
wants to fight back.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
The name of my company has the word boxer in it
.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Like I like to fight and so um.
(06:07):
So I'm I'm sort of meditatingon that, like what does it look
like for?
Speaker 1 (06:09):
me to.
How do I become so incrediblyvocal in a loving way, you know
and also become an advocate inmy own life, like that's really
what I can control?
I love that.
I think that that's really, um,that's great perspective.
And you know, me and and I meanall of us are like this.
All of us meaning you, me andproducer Sarah I'm talking about
the three of us that are thecat and moose podcast Um, we all
enjoy perspective, like weenjoy kind of going.
Huh, I didn't think of it thatway.
Um, and, and that's what I'vebeen searching for the most, you
(06:34):
know, is like what is the whatis, what is perspective that I
can take into consideration?
And one of the things that I'vereally appreciated is I have
several people in my life whohave said you know, I'm really
sad about this, I'm worriedabout our country, et cetera, et
cetera.
And I have people in my familyand I have people in my friend
circle who voted Republican andI just need some perspective
(07:00):
from them.
You know, and, and I really,and I feel similarly, you know,
and I've got family members thatI'm I'm close with that I can
say we don't, we know, we don'tagree, so let's, let's start the
conversation there.
So this is not a fight, it'snot an argument and we don't
need to get fired up about it.
Just give me your perspective,because I, we just don't see eye
(07:24):
to eye on this, you know, andit's like that's.
That's what I keep trying togain is is.
I just want to gain someperspective.
And also, it's kind of funnythat you say like I'm going to
just focus on what I can control, because that's been the
narrative of everybody I'vetalked to, regardless of which
side everybody I've talked to,regardless of which side you
(07:47):
know, of the you know politicalspace they stand.
It's like I, the only thing Ican control is me, you know.
And so it's like the thing thatI've considered is I'm like well
, there's a lot of people in mycircle who have kind of talked
about dabbling with this healingarts thing.
Like maybe I'll come, get onyour table, like maybe I'll book
a session, like maybe I can tryout this body work thing.
(08:08):
Whether it's with me or withanother practitioner, I really
don't care.
It's like if this is one morelike avenue toward people being
able to go, I'm vulnerable, Idon't know what to do, I'm
freaked out.
It's like okay, then that'ssomewhere to start your healing
journey, you know, and if thathas to, whether it has to do
with politics or whatever it is,it's like okay, like let's
(08:36):
start somewhere, you know.
And so to me it's like I feellike might there be an even
greater opportunity for healingin this next season of time for
us and for our country?
And and what does that looklike?
You know, and I have, how canwe know?
We have no idea.
We can't predict the future.
We certainly couldn't predictthe election.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
No, we could not.
It's funny Cause the day oflike I felt so confident, not
like cocky, I just had peace.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
I was like.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Oh, this is going to be all right.
Like we're going to finallyhave a woman who is president,
which is listen, if you do notchoose to identify as female.
I don't think you canunderstand that, Just like I
can't understand what it waslike when we had the first black
president, you know, but likethere is a child inside of me.
(09:19):
That was like this is going tobe it.
Yeah, and I thought, I honestlythought a woman of character, a
woman who feels joyful, notjust like this, you know, stoic
like I was, like Kamala, is theperfect person for this.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Yeah, I mean her Saturday night live skit with
Maya Rudolph was just soendearing, you know it's like
she can laugh at herself Likethat's cool.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
It's great, I know, I just I loved her and and that
she's a woman of color that youknow.
Just so much of it.
I was like here we go, and then, when it didn't happen, it it
I'll tell you what it felt like.
And this is going deep.
And look, this is what we gottoday.
It felt like there was a timemy dad was supposed to come pick
(10:04):
me and my sister up and I satby the window the entire day and
my mom started realizing he maynot be coming and I thought, oh
, no, no, no, no, and I wasmaking up excuse after excuse,
like kind of like, as I wereseeing all of the red States
coming in and and Trump winning,I was like, oh, oh, it's okay,
(10:24):
we still have a shot over herein the sunbelt.
And you know, yeah, yeah, butit felt like my dad never came
to pick me up, like it was likethat same guttural feeling of
like something must be wronghere.
Yeah, yeah, why would Americalet me down?
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Right, right, it's, it's.
It's weird, like hearing yousay that.
It made me remember the momentthat I learned that my dad had
passed away, and how that feltin my body.
I mean, it is like my entire,like my entire system like just
(11:05):
hit the floor, yeah, you know.
And then it's like, because mysystem is so resilient and my
body is so for me like I pickedmy shit up and got it together
as quick as possible, but it'slike that feeling of like, yeah,
it's just like whoa.
And I remember, you know,talking with friends about, oh,
the red mirage.
(11:25):
This always happens Like at thebeginning of the.
You know talking with friendsabout, oh, the red mirage.
This always happens Like at thebeginning of the.
You know the counts coming in.
It looks like, oh, it's goingto be overwhelmingly Republican
and then it's going to that's,that's just a mirage, it's just
going to go away.
And it kept happening like itkept.
I was like this is not a mirageanymore, like there's actually
a lake in the desert.
I think Like actually a lake inthe desert.
I think Like, I think that'swhat's happening here and, um,
(11:53):
you know what?
I hope that there are somegreat changes.
You know, it's like I've heardthings like you know who's going
to be put in charge of the FDAand who's going to be put in
charge of cleaning house in thegovernment and stuff like that,
and it's like maybe some goodstuff is going to happen.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Well, and that's where we you're right.
We can't throw the baby outwith the bathwater.
And look, I don't think there'smuch around Trump that is
positive.
However, there may be reallygood people in that
administration.
I mean, I can't think of manyof them, but I'm sure there are
people who still want to becivil servants.
(12:26):
Sure, there are people whostill want to be civil servants.
And let me just say I want tosay this I am not some staunch
Democrat.
If there was a differentrespectable Republican running,
I would be like, oh, we lost,okay, let's figure it out.
But it is because he is such anangry, you know scary, fear
(12:51):
mongering man and that he's beenconvicted of clearly sexually
assaulting a woman, if notothers, and it's things like
that.
It's like I'm not somebody.
That's just like I didn't win,like no, I'm afraid of this guy,
yeah, yeah.
But back to what you said, kat,I want to.
(13:11):
I want to mention somethingCause you talked about like I've
seen so many like group Zoomsof like counselors putting out
like let's talk about it.
If you're struggling and and II think it's important to
recognize the grief that some ofus have and to process it, and
I think someone like you as ahealing arts professional, um is
(13:37):
someone that can do that for usand, and you know, I just want
to say, even if you'reuncomfortable or don't
understand all the ginseng doughstuff Kat does, she also does
massage.
Even if you're uncomfortable ordon't understand all the
ginseng dough stuff Kat does,she also does massage and if
you're in Nashville you shouldgo see her.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Well, thank you for that that plug there.
I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
So we celebrated your birthday this weekend.
On Friday, we went out to MEsquared pizza in Germantown, and
Germantown, in nashville, ifyou're not familiar, is like
this cool old part of town withlike it almost feels brooklyn-y
to me.
Yeah, it does, yeah, yeah, um.
(14:17):
And so we went over there.
Super cool vibes on the inside,even though it's a pizza place.
It's a pizza place.
It's like high end pizza, y'allDelicious.
And we sat at the surfboardtable and we got amazing group
of people by the way, a bunch offriends of yours and I enjoyed
(14:39):
where I sat and I asked for whatI needed, even though it was
your birthday, for what I needed, even though it was your
birthday.
I was like, can you keep mesafe from people?
And you were like, yes, and Ilove that.
I don't have to expand on that.
You just knew what that meant.
But one of the things that weended up talking about as we
were asking you what you werelooking forward to in this next
(15:00):
year and I want you to expand onthat too but, um, was what does
it look like to ask our friendswhat is one way you would like
to see me grow?
And so we went around the tableand said that for you.
Um, do you remember any of theanswers?
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Oh, my gosh?
Of course I do.
I've, I've taken them to heartand and, uh, one of our friends
challenged me with um and I'mnot going to say it verbatim,
cause I'm terrible at sayingthings verbatim Um, which I just
did the exact opposite thingthat she challenged me to do.
Um, was, was, was to kind ofclaim my awesomeness, to claim
(15:47):
what I'm good at, to claim how Ispeak about myself, you know,
and um, and so I was talking toher just yesterday and I I gave
myself a compliment at what askilled communicator I can be at
times, absolutely, and, and itlike it just felt different in
my whole body to say that andand not fear, like you know, I'm
(16:12):
going to get shot up, you know,like I'm going to.
It's like that's a lie, youstupid whore.
You know, it's like it feltreally different in my whole
body to say like, like, yeah,there, there are times at which
I can really be a really skilledcommunicator and it's like so
much so that I'll have a weeklypodcast, so much so that I talk
(16:32):
to people for a living, like,like that's yay, cat, you know.
And so, yes, I do remember allof the things that that I was
encouraged to do and I reallyhave taken them all to heart.
I really have.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Good, good.
So here's my question what iskeeping you from being that
bad-ass self Like?
What are you afraid is going tohappen if you were to step into
that?
Speaker 1 (17:03):
I don't feel like I'm afraid of.
And I remember I was a part ofa competition in college and it
had this like on stage interviewquestion and they were like,
what's your biggest fear?
And I said my biggest fear issuccess.
And everybody was like, oh,that's such a great answer, you
know, and if you would haveasked me then, why is that your
biggest fear?
I would have been like I don'tknow, it just sounds scary.
(17:25):
So I'm glad there wasn't afollow-up question.
It's like I sounded reallysmart and then was done, you
know, and so I don't.
I don't think that that's myfear anymore.
It's not.
It's not a fear of of doingwell or being successful or
stepping into my bad ass self.
It's like I'm just so aware ofmy shortcomings that they're
(17:49):
still struggling to be theloudest thing in my head.
You know, it's like they're themy shortcomings are just so
loud.
To me it's really.
It's not about being afraid ofbeing a badass.
It's more about like quietingthat inner critic and and
training up that inner mentor.
(18:09):
You know, it's like it's to meit's.
It's a it's.
It's letting go of old habits,of old narratives, and that's
hard work.
Yeah, I'm not afraid.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
What, like you said, you're so aware of your
shortcomings?
I'm totally doing a coachingsession.
What?
Give me an example?
What's the first one that comesto mind?
Um, I need to lose weight.
Oh, I'm only laughing becauseI'm like, oh, I got that girl in
my head too.
Okay, so losing weight likethat is keeping you from what?
Speaker 1 (18:45):
buying anything new for myself to wear in the past
seven years and what does thathave to do with who you?
Are.
I feel like I don't lookprofessional at my job.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Okay, all right, I have stumped the coach this is
me stepping out of the coach'srole and going come back, come
back, come back.
Interesting, isn't itinteresting?
(19:19):
Like, here's the thing, y'all,it's all in our head.
I recognized yesterday thatI've been really working on like
limiting beliefs like this andI finally went.
What is the limiting beliefthat is controlling my anxiety?
And what was it?
Well, if Sarah's driving andI'm in the car, I am constantly
(19:42):
using the brake or sliding outof my seat going, and I realized
I have a lot of trauma,definitely around car wrecks
I've been in many, so there'sthat, but also I can loosen that
and I can get out what is goingon.
And the entire limiting beliefis bad things are going to
(20:02):
happen to me and I believe thatbecause they have.
But that is a really sad way tolive your life.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Because my filter is always I can't do that because
something's going to happen,which is true Even if I have to
drive to East Nashville at eighto'clock at night.
That sounds like okay, this isthe end, yeah, and at dark, you
know end, yeah, and.
And at dark, you know, like I,I'm afraid to go out at dark
(20:35):
sometimes because I'm afraidsomething bad's going to happen,
which is so crazy.
So all that to say what is yourlimiting belief around you?
You stepping into, like I amexcellent at what I do, whether
that's music industry or healingarts.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Um, I think that I, I recognize that I am
undisciplined and therefore Ifeel like I don't deserve to be
good, Like I don't have.
I don't meditate 17 minutes aday, Like I don't do my pal Dan
gum every morning, Like I,they're just, it's like I'm not,
(21:14):
I'm not super choicefullydisciplined.
Now, do I study?
Do I immerse myself in thematerial?
Do I, you know, go to class?
Yeah, I do all kinds of greatstuff.
I'm not saying I just like amlaying around like a blob, you
know it's like, but but I justdon't have, you know, I just
(21:37):
don't have the kind ofdiscipline where I feel like,
outside of my natural abilities,I can be awesome and my natural
abilities are enough, Likethat's enough and then that's.
It's very hard for me tobelieve that that's true.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Okay, I'm hearing two things comparison which you
just have to get rid of becausesomebody in your life does those
things that you don't do.
You don't naturally want to dothem, or you would do them.
What you enjoy is reading andstudying, and that may be the
(22:15):
part of the journey that you'reon.
Yeah, where they're part of thejourney is I've done that and
now I need to go physically movemy body around in the morning.
Yeah, so fix that.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
This is a great coaching session.
This is not how I coach.
If you, if you, would like tobe coached, I mean, this is how
I coach you.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
This is how I coach.
Yeah, both of our licenses aregone right now.
And then uh.
and then, secondly, I'm hearingyou say's just I mean not to
burst your bubble, but it's justa good old case of, uh,
imposter syndrome yeah yeah, andit's like you can't change
(22:58):
imposter syndrome until you justdo it right, right, and I'm in
it too, like I have it as well,where I'm in it too, like I have
it as well, where I'm like whatis keeping me from just fully
diving into this, that or that,whatever?
And it's because I'm like it'snever going to work.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Yeah, yeah, and as you're talking about it, like
I'm thinking that what is myfear Like kind of you're getting
in the car example, you know,and it's my fear, is somebody's
going to hurt me, likesomebody's going to hurt me If I
say if I say, like you knowwhat, I am the best artist
manager in the world, likesomebody very quickly can come
(23:40):
and point out all the ways wherethat is not true.
You know, if I'm to say like I'mthe best you know body work
practitioner in the world, Ifeel like I can imagine a line
of people telling me why that'snot true, you know, and that
feels hurtful.
It's like I don't, I don't wantanybody to hurt me, so it's
kind of it seems easier to kindof float around an average land
(24:03):
than it does to be like you know, like it Right, and I can point
out moments in my life wherethat has been true.
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
And I?
I think another way to look atit could be like I'm not just
I'm the best, but I am the bestat as an artist manager.
Like what is your thing Cause?
Like, here's the reality.
Who the hell knows what thatmeans?
Speaker 1 (24:27):
I mean, are we, are you?
Speaker 2 (24:29):
are you back in a pageant again, are you?
Speaker 1 (24:31):
at your beauty pageant.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
You're like somebody.
I'm in my bikini girl, and Ineed somebody to look and say I
want that.
Like, no, like, what are youthe best at in that role?
Cause, who the hell wants tojust be the best?
Like, right, right.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
To me that is very empty.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
It's like, oh good, I got a trophy and we can move on
, but like, that's good, I Icould tell you a million things
that you're the best.
I think you're a really greatlistener at both jobs that you
have.
I think that you I texted youthat the other day, Sarah and I
were talking about it and wewere we literally went through
all of our close friends andlisted what we loved about them.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Oh, that's fun.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
That sounds like a really really it was only two or
three.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Hey, I'm just glad I was on the list, Uh but yeah,
maybe it's not.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Maybe it's like because here's the thing and
this goes back to my hundreddays of being myself Like, what
are you uniquely good at, andmore than even good at, because
sometimes you know I was a greatleader but I did not want to be
first chair, clarinetist, rightLike, what do you want to keep
(25:50):
doing is really the question,because you can get part, you
can be hard on yourself all dayabout.
Well, I'm not disciplinedenough and I do the same thing,
like, but maybe there's a reasonI'm not disciplined enough and
I do the same thing like butmaybe there's a reason I'm not
disciplined in that maybe I'mnot really enjoying that piece
of it, but what is it that I'mnaturally gravitating towards
(26:11):
all the time?
Yeah, that interests me.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
That's where you got to spend your time and love and
heart yeah, because, like, Ithink of, I think of my, both of
my jobs and I can think of likewell, but I'm not good at this,
I'm not good at this, I'm notgood at that, I'm not good at
that.
And the thing that I have toremind myself from my like seven
habits of highly effectivepeople training when I was 21
years old, you know is is isbasically like spend 80% of your
(26:38):
time working in your gifts,working in your skillset, and
20% of your time delegating yourweaknesses, Like I remember
that being a principle that Iwas taught somewhere in there.
Um and and and.
What I do is I obsess over whatI'm not good at, and what I
could really do is take thattime that I'm obsessing and
(26:59):
figure out how to delegate it orhow to hire it out.
I mean, it's like it's thethings that I'm not good at in
my job.
It's like I know people who aregood at them.
It's like just ask them to dothe job and pay them money, Like
that's not complicated, but forsome reason, I'm just over here
like I'm really bad at that.
I'm really bad at that.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
I'm really bad at that.
I'm really bad at that.
I'm really bad at that.
It's like what in the world?
That's what.
That's the grid that we have,that's the pathway we've created
over all of these years, rightis?
I know I'm not good at that.
Well, I, I'm starting to let goof that shit, man.
I'm starting to go like youknow what.
There's a reason.
Am I gonna spend a hundredyears beating myself up at like
I don't like doing?
(27:42):
I was in a coaching session lastweek and I said to someone they
said, oh my gosh, I'm hiring anassistant.
And I said what do you hatedoing?
And they said, well, that's anodd question.
And I said, no, that's whatyou're going to give your
assistant.
Yeah, and now, granted, itshould be more nuanced than that
to make sure that they don'talso hate doing that.
But but that is such as much asthat.
(28:06):
That's usually how we find outwhat we love doing, because,
like, everyone should pull yourcar over and make a list of five
things you hate doing anywherein your life.
Like honestly, and and don'tever do it again.
Like, for me, I hate cleaningand I, for four years, have
(28:27):
cleaned this house and I finallywas like Nope, I'm hiring
someone, I'm totally hiringsomeone.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Good for you.
Doesn't it feel so amazing tohave someone clean your house?
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Yes, I had it at my old house and I don't know why I
stopped doing it.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Oh my gosh, like to me, that is some of the most
well-spent money.
I will stand by that.
Like I to me.
I used to.
I remember I used to spendevery Saturday, eight hours a
day cleaning my house and Iremember the moment I had the
realization, like time is moneyand this is not how I want to be
(29:04):
spending my time.
That's right.
And ever since then I havehired someone to clean my house
and it gives me so much life.
Right, like so much life.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Well, it's just just it's such good, such a good
thing for your mental health tohave a clean house.
Sure, yeah, yeah, what's?
Something you hate?
Speaker 1 (29:27):
doing Anything having to do with money.
Right, and you don't you choosenot to do it.
I don't, I don't, I, I, I yes,you're right, I have effectively
solved that, navigated that.
Yeah, because I really don'thave to deal with it.
And when I do have to deal withit, I immediately pull in an
expert.
Yeah, like, whether it's withmy finances or with my clients
(29:50):
finances or whatever it is, it'slike I don't do it by myself
because I hate it.
I hate it and I am capable ofit.
I know how to do it.
I don't, I just don't want to.
I hate it and I am capable ofit.
I know how to do it.
I don't, I just don't want to.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
I hate it, yeah there's certain events that I
hate going to like and, uh, Ihave gotten to a place where I'm
getting better at saying no tothem.
But some of those you have tosay yes to because it's your job
.
But, man, it's hard for mesometimes to be like this show
(30:22):
starts at 9 pm and you want meto show up there?
Speaker 1 (30:26):
uh- huh right, I'm normally going to bed at that
time honestly.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
I mean I said to you on your birthday I was like I
don't even know who you are a 7pm dinner like we're we're.
We went to Sperry's the otherday and I think we had a 4 30
reservation.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Yes, yes, it was 4 45 oh my god.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
Something I love is going to dinner with friends
yeah, I love that too.
I love that too.
I don't need anyone to takethat role.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
So, moose you, you threatened I'm going to say
threatened to you had somepretty big things that you
wanted to bring up this week,and I know coaching me was not
one of them.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Oh well, let me look at my list.
Do you know what's on my?
Speaker 1 (31:18):
list.
I know that there were a fewthings that you were extremely
passionate about, that you Did Itell you what they were?
Speaker 2 (31:25):
No, oh, I didn't.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
No, you never do.
That's like the ilk of ourpodcast is.
We never know what each other'sgoing to talk about.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Yeah, well, I know I wanted to talk about me at
recognizing that limiting belief.
I did read this article.
I'm going to share this withour patrons.
I read this article that wasreally impactful to me on
BuzzFeed.
It was about this woman whobecame a pastor in the Episcopal
(31:56):
church and then she kind oflost her faith and sort of came
back around to it at the end ina different way and um.
So I was going to talk aboutthat, but I'll put it in our
Patreon um feed.
Also, if you're a patron or youhave thought about joining, we
(32:17):
are going to be doing a fewextra things.
I'm going to be sharing somemore content around my hundred
days of being myself.
Kat's going to be sharing somethings around body work.
We're going to be kind offeeding more into that and my
question is would you guys likeus to stay on Patreon or do you
(32:37):
want something like a sub stackor something like that?
Tell us, um, you know how totell us.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Yeah, tell us all the ways.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
And this week you need to chat.
I'm talking to you, listeners.
Your challenge is to write thefive things that you hate and
the five things that you lovedoing yeah, the things that you
naturally are like I have someextra time right now, what do I
want to do?
That's always hard for me, isit you, kat, when I have extra
time, yeah, to like go.
Okay, I literally don't have tobe doing work or something
(33:09):
right now.
Is it hard for you to like go?
What do I want to go do rightnow, or do you?
Speaker 1 (33:16):
naturally like flow into something.
Sometimes it's hard.
Sometimes it's hard becausethere's so many things I want to
do and I can't decide which one.
I don't find myself at a lossfor knowing what I would enjoy
doing, Like I don't.
I don't find myself at that atthat loss very much, and if I do
, I normally go to sleep.
Oh, interesting, Like, if I'mlike I don't know what to do
(33:46):
with myself, it's like youprobably need to rest because
there's a lot that I love to do.
And if I can't come up with it.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
I'm probably pretty tired.
That's amazing.
I wish I could just go nap likethat.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Um, what about you?
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Um, I, I generally come in my office and write is
what I usually do, and right nowit's been about the 100 days of
being myself, and or I go graba book off my bookshelf and flip
through it Like I generally amlooking for inspiration or
challenge, and then I usuallywrite about I'm looking for,
(34:17):
like a prompt or something.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Nice, I love that.
Write about I'm looking forlike a prompt or something.
Nice, I love that.
I love um.
It reminds me of a couple ofepisodes ago when you um gave
chat GBT the words from yourbooks and then had it like talk
about like what your interestswere Like.
I thought that was so neat.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Oh I, I probably overused chat GBT.
I had it build me a road triprecently and it was brilliant
Really, stuff I hadn't eventhought of.
I was like build me a road,it's all in my brain.
I'm not sure I'm actually goingto go do this.
I was like send me on a roadtrip for 10 days to all the
areas that have like beautifulChristmas towns.
(34:53):
And it built this beautifulroad trip up to the Northeast
and I secretly want to go on itnow.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
Oh my gosh, I want to go with you.
I just really want to get up toMaine to have some lobster.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
That is like I know we got to see Tori and her
family and any other listenersin Maine.
Yeah, okay, what are yousharing?
Share your screen.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Okay, well, I, I just .
I got a really good laugh theother day and sometimes just
really stupid humor is is thekind of medicine that we need,
and so I just wanted to share itwith you.
Um, I want to see if you can.
Can you hear this?
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Okay, this is entitled best animal farts.
Okay, I'm ready.
Okay, that's a hippo.
Oh my God, check this out.
Oh my God, oh my God, checkthis out.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
This is so good.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Is this real or overdubbed?
It's overdubbed.
Check this out, oh my god.
That is not real.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
This is real.
This is a girl sitting with herhorse.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Sarah's going to love this.
She loves farts.
Goodness gracious, they musthave eaten some.
I said gracious.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
Goodness gracious, they must have eaten some.
I said gracious, goodnessgracious they must have eaten
some garlic.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Doesn't garlic always give you the tooth?
It gives me the toots, bad, bad.
I know sarah loves to cook withgarlic and I'm like lord child,
mom, I cannot handle it mybelly will get out to here yeah,
it's really good for you.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
Supposedly I just like I.
I was scrolling Facebook theother day, which I don't do a
lot, and um, and I came acrossthat and for some reason it just
got my goozle, like it, just it.
I was so tickled I must havewatched it 50 times and whether
it's overdubbed or not, I don'tknow.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
I don't really.
It doesn't matter like it was.
I mean, it's brought usbbed ornot, I don't know, I don't
really care, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
I mean it's brought us joy.
Yeah, it brought me so much joy, Like seeing a hippo, a
rhinoceros, a horse, an elephant, a cat all fart.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
It's like there's no way that that cat had that kind
of gas I don't know the way thattail was going, like I gotta
tell you that elephant.
It sounded like a damnearthquake.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
I love that half of the time there's just poop
falling out and it's like Idon't know why it's so funny,
because we all gotta do it.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
We all gotta poop, you know oh man, I used to be so
grossed out by farts, and theolder I get, the more I love
them yeah, I celebrate that,totally celebrate that, and I
you're the only friend I have.
That will just blow one infront of me.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
I don't know what that says about our friendship.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
Well, I don't know either, but it's good, all right
, we love you guys.
Have a wonderful week, people.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Have a wonderful week .
You guys are awesome.
Thank you for listening.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Oh, I've got a quote to end us on.
It's a Henry Wadsworthlongfellow, just another white
guy.
But here's the quote.
The best, the best thing onecan do when it is raining is to
let it rain oh, that's very good.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
That is good.
Thanks, moose, love you guys.
Special thanks to our producer,Sarah Reed.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
To find out more, go to catandmoosepodcastcom.
Cat and Moose is a BPProduction.
Popular Podcasts
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com