October 9, 2024 • 41 mins
Can angels really intervene in our lives, or do they need an invitation? We explore this intriguing question inspired by a listener’s trance channeling experience. Alongside personal anecdotes of miraculous encounters, we reflect on the gentle presence of the Holy Spirit and the possibility of inviting angels into therapeutic spaces like massage or Reiki. This episode is woven with humor, wonder, and gratitude, especially for a listener who shared their delightful peach blueberry cobbler recipe, reinforcing the community spirit that defines our podcast.
Navigating the tension between comfort zones and authenticity can be challenging, especially when personal boundaries are at stake. Moose shares a revealing story from a church session that sparked a deeper conversation about the courage needed to assert personal boundaries and maintain one’s authenticity. Through stories of personal growth and self-care, we discuss the balance between wanting to make others comfortable and the need to prioritize our own boundaries, even if it means shaking up the status quo.
We also journey through the playful world of self-discovery tools like Human Design, comparing them to the familiar realms of astrology and personality tests. Sharing our personal experiences, we highlight the importance of letting go of societal pressures and embracing what truly brings us peace, even if it means redefining our dreams. From reminiscing about '90s Christian music to discussing the symbolic significance of feathers and guardian angels, our conversation is a tapestry of introspection, humor, and the quest for authentic living. Tune in for an episode filled with nostalgia, spiritual musings, and a celebration of the unexpected paths that lead us closer to our true selves.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to the Cat and Moose podcast.
I'm Cat and I'm Moose.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
This is a true life podcast where we explore the
quirks of being human.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Hey Cat, hey Moose, hey Sarah, sarah, sarah.
Where are you, sarah?
Speaker 2 (00:27):
We do have to give Sarah some props from last week,
that song that she wrote it wasgreat Angels in the
Unemployment Line.
I mean, you gave her a littlesomething and she just ran with
it, didn't she?
Speaker 1 (00:43):
She did, she did.
I was so impressed like Ilistened to it for the first
time and I was like, how did shedo that?
And then I listened to it likethree more times and I was like
I still don't know how she didthat and it was really, really
cool angels in the unemploymentline waiting on us to give them
(01:03):
a sign they're here to protect,but we don't take the time Now.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Angels are standing in the unemployment line.
I love that.
It was a country song too, yeahbut that's what you teed up.
You were like there's thatsounds like a country song.
Speaking of angels, can we justgo straight to one of our
listeners emails?
Speaker 1 (01:29):
I have it if you need to, yes, I have it I have it as
well.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Either one Great, no, I would love for you to read it
because this was fascinating tome.
There were several things Ilearned from this email.
Okay, good Well.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
I, I really, really cherish this person a lot.
This is one of my instructorsfrom school.
She's a regular listener and Ijust I love her perspective on
things.
She says hello friends, I likelistening to you on the weekends
while cooking Today's recipepeach blueberry cobbler with
almond biscuits.
I mean, holy moly, that soundsgood.
(02:02):
It sounds like she's BritishLike who makes peach?
Speaker 2 (02:06):
blueberry cobbler with almond biscuits.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Well, really awesome listeners who are also really
awesome people.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
I would love to try those.
Yes, if you would like to share?
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Yes, If you would like to share those with us.
You know who you are and yourname is so close to Moose's name
that it's a little bit spooky.
Okay, anyway, we used to have atrance channel that would come
to our massage school.
She channeled a group ofarchangels who collectively
called themselves Alicia.
Does this remind you of someoneelse, moose?
(02:38):
Yes, it does.
Yes, yes, it did me too.
I was like, oh, alicia andBashir, they should get married.
Okay, they enjoyed educating usabout angels.
Yes, everyone has two angelsthrough all lifetimes.
Same posse of angels.
Some have a group, like mynonverbal daughter.
One is behind your leftshoulder and can help with
(02:59):
emotional problems, likeblending their energy with yours
to calm you.
That's so cool, right.
The other, behind your rightshoulder, works more with the
physical realm, like getting afront row parking space when
you're running late.
Here's the kicker they do notinterfere unless they are asked.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
I mean, that is what I want you to keep reading, but
that is what gets me is, I didnot know Like the subject of her
email is angels have to beinvited.
Yes, and I never.
I did not know that.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Well, I remember one of my best friends who taught me
a lot about Jesus in college.
She always talked to me abouthow the Holy Spirit is a
gentleman.
Oh yeah, I've heard people saythat and I really appreciate
that.
I actually view the Holy Spiritmore like a woman, a gentle
woman.
But that's beside the point.
(03:55):
The Holy Spirit is not likepushy, you know.
It's like.
It's kind of like.
I think of it when I think oftrauma, informed language.
It's invitational, like theseangels are.
They need to be invited.
So, kat, a fun exercise, if youwish, might be to invite your
angels and the client's angelsto assist during the next few
(04:19):
sessions.
Set the intention that themassage would be for the highest
good of you and the client andsee what happens.
I did this during a Reiki classI was assisting.
I asked the instructor aboutinviting angels and she looked
at me funny and shrugged.
Sure, during the attunements,when students all had their eyes
(04:39):
closed, several felt a presencearound them and opened their
eyes.
No one there.
Several felt a presence aroundthem and opened their eyes no
one there.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
The instructor asked me not to do that anymore oh,
listen, I I understand being themost woo-woo in the space, so I
am with you, girl.
I am with you, yes anotherthing.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
There are levels of angels who can become physical
temporarily to help without ourasking.
Like saving someone from a fallfrom a building, puts them down
gently and disappears aroundthe corner.
What, yeah?
Or save someone after a carwreck and vanishes.
It is as hard, according toalicia, for them to become
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physical as it is for us tobecome invisible and, according
to her, the Maasai tribe can doit.
Another rabbit hole to go down.
Headed back to my biscuits andfinishing your episode, just had
to say hi.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
I just want to say a big thank you for sending that
in, because there's a lot tounpack here yes, including the
biscuits.
Um, I have heard of the Messiah, I think.
Um, I know that this person hasheard of Bashar, so it makes me
happy.
We have found our people yes.
Bashar has spoken about theMessiah.
(05:58):
I mean, I feel like we havebecome like Joe Rogan overnight,
uh, as far as conspiracytheories and stuff, um, but I
love what she describes herebecause I had, uh I've had,
encounters like she's talkedabout.
The one that she said, and shedid say at one point, I may have
(06:20):
these backwards, but the oneshe describes is behind your
right shoulder works more in aphysical realm.
No, sorry, the emotionalproblems blending their energy
to calm you.
One time I was in London atthis charismatic conference
Don't ask Codependency, that'sall.
(06:41):
Somehow I and uh, all of thesepeople around me were, uh, doing
what they might call givinghigh praise to the Lord, which
just simply means going bat shitcrazy, like standing on chairs,
and I would not stand on achair and I was the only one not
standing on a chair, and I'mnot going to do anything that I
(07:02):
don't feel is very authentic tome, right, or that's me in my
best state, and I am not goingto perform.
That's one thing you won't getfrom me and I, just I, I almost
felt angry in that moment, likeI remember thinking, like I feel
so much pressure to dosomething that I'm not
comfortable doing.
And I was having this realdissonance, I was having this
pain in my back and I was like,what is this?
(07:25):
And no kidding, I felt a handon my back and, uh, to this day
I don't know what that is, butit literally took away the
anxiety and the physical painthat I was having.
So, uh, and I've also heardwhat she said that it takes a
lot of energy for them to comeinto the physical realm, as it
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would us to be able to go intothat, their realm, and I've
learned that that's likedifferent levels of because
they're at such a high frequencycompared to where we are on
Earth.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Yeah, I mean that's that's really neat.
And I think it's really neat.
I remember you telling me aboutthe hand on your back thing.
Like I remember that story froma long time ago and and it just
kind of makes me wonder youtalking about there being like a
dissonance with what was goingon and what was quote unquote
(08:17):
expected of you in that momentand what you were and were not
willing to do.
Yeah, it makes me kind ofwonder was that hand
representative of your highestself?
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Oh yes, I mean, that feels very possible and very
true, honestly.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Like was that hand going?
Thank you for listening to yourbody.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Thank you for not acquiescing to this you know,
like, okay, so let me go a stepfurther, okay.
Later the pastor was likeprophesying over people in the
separate session and I steppedout of the room because I was so
uncomfortable with what washappening.
And again, it's not that Idon't believe that people have
(09:02):
the spirit none of that, trustme but for me it was becoming
too much and I am a verysensitive person, and so I went
to the bathroom.
When I came back in, I stood inthe back and no joke.
I knew that this pastor wasgoing to go from the very front
of the church to find me.
It happens all the time.
Where the light is brighter,the bugs are bigger.
(09:28):
And this guy came and went toput his hands on my neck and I
said no, and I put my hand outand I said no, and I think he
was very surprised, but I just Iwas like I don't need you to
put your hands on my body, likethat's exactly how I felt.
So, to your point, I think, yes, that was my authentic self,
simply saying I'm notcomfortable with what you're
(09:48):
dishing out right now.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Yeah, and that's okay .
Yeah, it is okay, and I justwant to celebrate that.
Like I have a friend who is sogood at that that it seems
effortless for her.
Yeah, like, if she's not okaywith something, you're going to
know it, and I'm not always thatway and I'm not that way either
.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
I would rather keep the peace most of the time, but
there is a line you hit whereyou're like.
Why am I allowing that?
I mean, we all have those lineswhere you're like, right.
I'm not comfortable with this.
Why am I not speaking up?
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Right, right, and I just think it's been really neat
to have for me, like people inmy life who don't seem to have
as hard of a time with that as Ido, because I'm going like,
well, how, how are you able todo that so easily?
And it's like, well, really,the only difference other than
(10:42):
training oneself to be this way,if you're not naturally this
way, the only difference is justbeing willing to do it.
Yeah, because you know whatEverybody around you is fine.
Does it make it awkward for amoment?
Maybe, maybe.
Does it make somebody feel likeI did something wrong?
Maybe, but is that any worsethan you feeling terrible, right
(11:04):
, and my question to you.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
I want to tell you what I think the answer is, but
I am not going to.
I would like for you to haveyour own agency and your own
autonomy.
Why are you afraid to do that?
Because, um, I'm curious if ouranswers are the same.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
I'm curious if our answers are the same.
Um, I, I'm, as we all know, I'mvery relational.
I'm very I really enjoy people,I care about people.
I, I want people to um, havethe space to be their most
authentic and wonderful andbeautiful self, and so that is
all very like other facing.
That's not me facing, yeah, soso to me it's like.
(11:54):
My initial answer is it's likewell, because I want other
people to be comfortable.
But the more I think about it,I really want other people to be
more comfortable, because thenI feel like I can be more
comfortable more comfortable,because then I feel like I can
be more comfortable.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Oh interesting, can you give me a scenario?
Like you don't have to givespecifics, but like this is what
that could look like.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Okay, I go into a classroom setting where I'm
going to go take a class andthere's a handful of seats
available and a handful of seatstaken in the seat that I would
really much prefer to be in.
Doesn't really work for me.
Like it did, like you know,it's like there's somebody there
, whatever, whatever, and so Iwill just like immediately go
(12:41):
like you're fine, sit over there, it's going to work out great.
Like it's going to work outfine.
And some would say, like, well,that's a complete denial of
self, that's not taking care ofyourself, and it's like, well,
does it really matter where Isit, you know?
And so like to me, it's like Ithink, like I'm gonna make the
whole room more comfortable yourface.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Even I know that.
Like, yeah, like, why doesn'teveryone understand that you are
making them more comfortable?
Speaker 1 (13:13):
right, yeah, yeah, and it's like, well, is that
really for them, or is that forme?
Speaker 2 (13:18):
well, I think it's also like a social response that
we always talk about too,because mine is very similar.
When I find myself doing that,where I'm like denying myself
whatever it is that maybe I want, or if somebody asks if I have
a preference, often I'll be likeI'm open, I really can do
(13:41):
anything similar, like I knowwhat it's like to see people be
the problem child and I don'twant to be the problem child.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Yeah me either.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
And I'm also in a very efficient person.
So like I don't want to have a30 minute conversation about
where we're having dinner orlunch, or a meeting.
I just want, let's make adecision and let's do the thing
yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
But I?
It is hard for me to share mypreferences.
Often I mean, I have them, Iknow what they are, that's the
thing.
Some people don't know whattheir preferences are.
Right, I just am like I I'drather us wrap this thing up.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Right, right, and I think that like I have them
preferences, that is, I thinkthey are so sometimes very
inaccessible Because I just Ichoose to to go like, in the
grand scheme of all the things,I don't care if we eat at
(14:43):
McDonald's or Burger King, likeI don't, like I really don't
care.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
I'm more concerned that those are your two options.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
I knew when it came out of my mouth I was like well,
both of these are bad ideas.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
I was gonna say I know you eat better than that.
Yeah for sure.
Okay, back to the angels.
Have you encountered an angel?
Speaker 1 (15:04):
I, yes.
Are you going to tell us aboutit?
I will, if you would like tohear about it.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
My preference is for you to tell me about this.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
So I got to be a part of a really cool thing called
the World Meeting of Families inPhiladelphia yeah, it was
Philadelphia, I think.
And then we also went to NewYork City and this is several,
several years ago, way pre-COVID, and I met a gentleman who was
a part of how we got to do thiswhole event, who wrote me a
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story and put it in an envelopeand gave it to me to read later
and I was like that's kind ofdifferent.
Different, like what in theworld is this?
And his story, um, wasbasically like when you see a
feather, know that your guardianangel is nearby.
And I remember his story andhow he arrived there and how
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that became his truth was soimpactful to me that I thought
you know what, next time I see afeather, I'm going to assume
that that is a signal that my,my guardian angel is nearby.
And that night I got on the tourbus to, you know, to leave the
city and go to the next thingand one of my business cards
(16:20):
fell out of my purse and my logofor my business at the time was
a feather.
Oh yeah, whoa.
And so I was like could this bethat literal, like could this
be that on point?
And so ever since then I justkind of felt like that's legit.
Like that's legit when I comeacross a feather, I'm just going
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to take that as a signal thatmy guardian angel and now that I
know that I have two, it's likeI'm going to take that as a
signal that my guardian angeland now that I know that I have
two, it's like I'm going to takethat as a signal that they are
around.
And like the other day I wentand took the trash out and right
by my trash can there was apigeon feather and I was just
like really yeah.
And I was like I don't, I don'tknow why I need my guardian
angels right now taking thetrash out and I welcome you,
(17:05):
like I'm very glad that you'rehere.
So, yes, those are, those arewhat I consider um experiences
with angels.
I have not physically seen anangelic looking, being like
looking after me or taking careof me or whatever.
How about you?
Speaker 2 (17:22):
well, recently I this must have been the summer I uh
went with a friend to what Ifound online was called a kite
festival and I thought how coolwould that be just to sit in a
park and watch these peopleflying these kites.
Well, I get there and I've gotboth of my dogs, and there's not
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a person with a kite, there's afamily reunion and something
else.
I have no idea.
It was a beautifully hot day,and so I met my friend at the
park and I asked her uh, willyou walk one of the dogs,
whatever?
And so she's got a dog, I'vegot a dog and, um, it is 95
(18:03):
degrees cat in this park.
This gentleman is walking andI'm not even kidding you, he
looks like somebody who has oneof those old school watches in
his pocket.
What are those called Pocketwatch?
How about that?
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Really smart.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Pocket watch and he's basically in what a three piece
suit would be without thejacket, but he's way too dressed
up to be at this park.
We're all wearing shorts andflip-flops, hot as can be.
And you know my dogs, they gocrazy anytime someone approaches
them because they're crazyrescues.
And no joke, kat, he's walkingtowards and I was like telling
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my friend Ruthie, I'm like holdhim tight, hold him tight.
You know both dogs sit down andlet him come up to him, which
they're afraid of, men.
What?
And I am in shock by this.
He tells us his name and saysgood morning and looks directly
at me and I could have thechills right now thinking about
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it and I was like good morning.
I was like they never act thisgood.
They're both rescues and I'mlike sorry, I'm kind of in awe
that they're being so good andhe was so kind to me and my
friend.
And then he walked off and then, as we were leaving, he looped
around the other way.
I didn't see him the whole timewe were at the park.
He looped around the other wayand made another and said
goodbye to us and both me and myfriend were like that was so
(19:38):
different.
It wasn't like a creepy guythat was.
It was so different that weboth felt like he was an angelic
being.
I don't know, I can't relate itto anything good or bad that
happened or anything like that,but it felt like that sort of
encounter.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
I feel like I really want producer Sarah to fade in
here.
Entertaining angels by thelight of my TV stream 24-7.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Do you remember that news voice?
Yes, yes, I'd change the screen24-7.
You remember that newsboy?
Yeah, if you don't know whatwe're talking about, we have
some trauma from working in aChristian music industry.
We also have some joy.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
A lot of joy, like that song in particular.
We have amazing careers.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Yes, and that was a newsboy song from 90.
Look it up, kat.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
What year?
I bet it's 98 98.
I bet it's 97 or 98 and I willsay that it is one of my
sister's favorite songs oh,really, yeah, you know, probably
one of my sisters too.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
She was a huge fan.
Um, okay, I want to just smallcommercial break here.
Guys, the messiah people thatour dear listener mentioned,
just gonna give you a littlenugget, because that's what we
do, we like.
This is from Wikipedia.
The Maasai people are an ethnicgroup inhabiting northern,
central and southern Kenya andnorthern Tanzania near the
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African Great Lakes region.
Ok, they speak.
I don't know.
Yeah, this may not be thepeople she's talking about.
So cut all of that, sarah.
I really thought I was going toeducate, but I'm like no, this
isn't what this is.
Okay, so we'll report back onthe Maasai people.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Yes, we will, because I will have to do a deep dive,
like I have begun the veryshallow tiptoes into the water
of a deep dive about humandesign.
Do you know about this?
Speaker 2 (21:32):
No, but I just picture, if this is the water
here, you doing this with yourtoes into the water.
Oh is it warm or is?
Speaker 1 (21:41):
it cold, I'm frolicking in the surface waters
of what is called human designand I am literally frolicking
for the first time.
So I have almost nothing.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
We are not an educational podcast or a fact
podcast and this thing calledhuman design.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
You can put in your name, your birth date, your time
of birth, your place of birthname, your birth date, your time
of birth, your place of birthand much like when you get an
astrology chart.
From doing that, you get thisthing that looks like one of my
like acupressure posters.
It's got like all these likedifferent like points in the
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body and it's got like pathwaysand channels and stuff like that
and it basically delineates youinto one of five types of being
like as a human.
You're either a manifestor, amanifestor generator, a
projector, et cetera, et cetera.
And I was like I can't wait totell Moose and producer Sarah
(22:44):
about this because we have yetone more layer to add on top of
all of our enneagrammyers-briggs astrology.
You know the whole nine yards.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
So human design, human.
Okay, I'm looking, I I'm allwikipedia again, guys, so hoping
this goes well.
It's a pseudo scientific.
I love anything that's pseudoscientific pseudo scientific new
age practice, described as aholistic self-knowledge system.
(23:16):
It combines astrology, theChinese I Ching oh, I love the I
Ching Judaic Kabbalah, judaicKabbalah, vedic philosophy and
modern physics.
I mean, wow, right, isn't that?
Speaker 1 (23:34):
so neat?
Oh, show us, this is mine.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
What in the world?
This is cool, isn't that neat.
You're a manifesting generator.
What does that mean?
I don't know yet.
Oh, of course, your innerauthority is your sacral, isn't
that down in your junk?
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Oh, I mean you could have seen Scorpio right there
and put that down.
Oh, I totally offended aScorpio today.
I thought I was okay, and I waslike oh, hips forward.
And they were like I wouldn'tconsider myself a hips forward
gal.
And I was like well, maybeyou're not a Scorpio.
Oh, they didn't actually saythat.
They, their face, said that Iwas going to say what, what
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actually happened.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Yeah, I said that I was embarrassed and their face
said wow, that was a lot, and Ithought that was a lot and their
face said wow, that was a lot,and I thought that was a lot,
but that is who I am, is a lot.
Well, you, I, I, I mean, Ithink that you identify yourself
as a lot, um, but I don't thinkeveryone experiences you as a
lot.
Okay, good.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
So okay, so human design you what it.
It says here that you were amanifesting generator.
Do we know what that is?
Speaker 1 (24:50):
yeah, I looked up some definitions earlier and,
like I said, I have beenfrolicking in the shallow waters
.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
That's fine we, you know what we are?
A curiosity podcast.
Yes, yes, and so we just giveyou little facts.
It's really up to you, as thelistener, to get the degree.
Yes, yes, we're just teasingyou with fun information.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
And, to be honest, it might just be that I'm being a
manifesting generator bybringing this up.
And then, you know, theprojectors of the world can go
and teach everybody about it andbecome wonderful leaders and
educators and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
I must be a manifesting generator to that.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Yeah, I, I have a feeling that you're a manifester
, but I, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
I do love to manifest .
Listen, you guys, we just haveto call our angels in to
manifest this stuff.
I do believe that prayer andmanifestation.
I have heard we have talkedabout this.
If you can visualize it in yourbrain, it is as good as you
creating it.
You just have to put the workin what I know that part's hard.
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What is it that you're learningright now in your life?
You?
Speaker 1 (26:05):
just rolled your eyes About what I'm learning in my
life.
I don't know if that's what theeye roll was for.
It was Because learning is hard.
It is hard, yes, and I'm likemuch like you.
I'm a perpetual student.
(26:26):
I love to be in classes.
I love to be in classes.
I love to be in school.
I love to learn things.
I have a harder time when thelearning requires me to change
my behavior.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Me too.
Yeah, yeah it's a whole thing.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Yeah, I do this thing , and someone who pointed it out
to me was so, so gracious inthe way that they pointed it out
is.
They said, kat, you kind of dothis for a living.
So the fact that you did this,I'm not mad at you about it,
because I think it's like secondnature for your.
I ended up telling this personit's second nature for me.
(27:03):
And wait, you got to give usmore details.
I will, yeah, yeah, yeah, Iwill, I will.
So, basically, um, I I kind ofgot somebody out of having to do
something that I thought theydidn't want to do.
Yeah, natural instinct, I dothis for my clients all the time
, not my massage clients, butlike my music clients.
You know, it's like I have todecline a lot on their behalf, a
(27:27):
lot, and it's not becausethey're bad people, it's because
, like, based in all of thepriorities in life and and all
of that kind of stuff, it's likeyou just can't say yes to
everything and so, um, so I justmade an assumption I mean sort
of educated assumption, butstill an assumption like, hey,
I'm just going to get thisperson out of this by, like
(27:47):
going and taking care of it andjust not even, and it made the
person really uncomfortable.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Oh, they didn't want you to.
Oh, I've done this before.
All of a sudden it just hit myfunny bone and I was like, oh,
that is painful.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
So what's, what's the funny bone?
Feeling like how did that makeyou feel?
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Sick to my stomach.
Yeah, this is the same as whenmy therapist said to me, what
are you trying to do for thisperson?
And I said I'm trying toprotect them.
Remember that and she goes whatif they don't want to be
protected?
Amen, and I yes, I threw up, Ishit my pants, I I was like, who
(28:27):
doesn't want to be protected?
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Yeah, yeah, and, and so that's what I'm learning
right now is that it's like justan awareness in my life of like
, just because I think I'm doingyou a favor, just because I
think I'm, I'm doing somethingthat is helpful to you, it's not
, I don't immediately havepermission to do that, and not
only do I not have permission todo it, it might hurt you, it
(28:52):
might offend you, like it mightbe a problem for me to intervene
, and it's like, oh, my goshlike what a lesson right.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Okay, so we've been talking about the change of
season and things we're learning.
You are describing lettingthings go, which is what we've
been talking about.
How lovely, and the one thing Ihave on my list here I'm
learning to let things, let goof things.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Really yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
That is so cool.
I mean, this is the season Like, yeah, you can let go of what
you think anyone else might beneeding, which is hard for an
Enneagram too.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Yes, yes, I think it's hard for most humans.
Yeah, no, I agree, I meanthere's there's some that it's
like, actually I don't give ashit, like, but like, for most I
think I think.
Yeah, I think that's reallyhard, I do too.
Um, can you give me an exampleof your, your lessons in, in
learning to let go?
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Yeah, I am a perpetual student, as you said,
and I also love a challenge asan Enneagram eight.
Um, however, I just readsomewhere I've never heard this
before Don't let Enneagrameights get bored because they
(30:15):
get into trouble.
And so I.
My kind of trouble as a 46 yearold looks more like signing
myself up for things that, uh,overcommit me.
And so I let go of a, of adream to go back to school and
be a counselor and I finally letit.
(30:36):
I let it into the, into theriver and let it float away out
of my sight, and made thedecision that the path I'm on
with podcasting and withcoaching and my whole career
doing radio promotion, thatthat's enough for right now.
And so it was a really likeritualistic, um, kind of
(31:01):
honoring process when I madethat decision.
And then I had immediate peaceabout it and I thought letting
go of that was going to be likesomething I had to grieve, and
it actually felt a lot likerelease because I was holding
onto it so tightly, like I haveto do this before I die, I have
to get this degree before I die,and, um, I don't know like I
(31:22):
just it.
Literally, I can tell you itwas like putting a little paper
boat into the river and justletting it go wherever else it
needed to go, but it wasn'tmeant to stay with me.
Wow, wow.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
That's so beautiful and, as someone who loves you
very dearly and has loved youfor a very long time, that makes
me so happy.
Time that makes me so happy,like I love that.
Like such an important lettinggo felt like letting a paper
boat float down the river, likethat makes me so happy for you.
Congratulations on knowing whatyou needed to do and doing it.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
That's awesome yeah, and my old self that is so
competitive and not evencompetitive.
I wouldn't even call myselfcompetitive.
I hold myself to like highstandards of like I want to
achieve this, Like I do, likethat, Um, my old self would have
been like you know what.
It's going to take a lot oftime and there's going to, but
you're going to get through.
(32:21):
It's all about just survivingand getting through.
You know, it's like this littlekid that thinks she's in a war
all the time and you're like youjust need a nap, boo, you know,
like you need a nap.
And so, yeah, there was somesadness and letting that dream
go, but I also.
The piece was just so clear andso, um, I have a piece of
(32:43):
advice for everyone.
Uh, I just got off the phonewith a friend who was changing
jobs and it feels like a veryscary thing for them, but also
very exciting.
And the thing they said is youknow, I just have a lot of peace
about it and that's somethingthat we throw around a lot, but
also, like follow the peace.
You know, like the peace iswhere it's at, Like excitement
(33:07):
comes and goes, but when you'relike this feels really good, I'm
in the flow, Like pay attentionto what and who.
That is because you knowthere's so many moments of our
day that aren't necessarily thatand I know we can't get rid of
all the chaos.
But like, if you're making ahard decision, like, look for
the peace Cause, even if it is ahard decision, it might be the
(33:28):
right one.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
And one thing that I've noticed is that a lot of
times the peace, the feeling ofpeace, it has all these little
minions around it who go notpeace, not peace, not peace, you
know, and it's like wait aminute, I thought I felt peace,
but then I had all these littleand I think those are like ego
minions that are like not peace,you know, and it's like, wait a
minute, I thought I felt peace,but then I had all these little
and I think those are like egominions that are like not okay,
(33:50):
not okay, not okay.
You must be a PhD and an MD anda CE and a blah, blah, blah,
blah, you know, and it's like,oh my God, like where did the
peace go?
I thought I just had it Exactly.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Like the voices and all the parts definitely come in
.
And one of the things I had tosit with myself on when I was
making this decision is why isit so important for me to say
that I have I'm an EDS andcounseling?
Why is that important for me?
And I had to come to terms with.
I am always looking forsomething to validate that I am
enough, whether that's in acareer, which this would be, or
(34:31):
it's in my own personal life.
I always think people havepicked the wrong person, you
know, and that's not me and mytruest self.
That's like all the little kidtrauma stuff.
But ultimately, like I think,well, if I have this degree,
then everybody will come to me.
And here's the reality.
I don't really want anyonecoming to me.
(34:53):
I had to come to terms withthat too.
Like, oh, actually I love whatI get to do.
Um, anyway, there's lots andlots of reasons, but it did
really hit me when it came downto like because this was true at
one point doesn't mean it'salways true.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Yes, oh, lord, yes, isn't that the truth?
Man, like Moose, you aredropping some serious wisdom
this week.
Thank you, I wanted to know ifyou could give me some girly
advice.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Oh, please tell me, I doubt it.
Is it about how to curl yourhair?
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Can you see, is that?
Speaker 2 (35:32):
a zit.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Yes.
Oh, I'll tell you what the kidsare doing?
Okay, tell me what the kids aredoing, because this hurts.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Yeah Well, first of all, is it herpes?
That is the first question.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
No, no, no, no, it is a full-on, it is a zit, it is
not a cold sore, okay, no it'snot a cold sore.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
I'm not shaming anyone with herpes at all, just
needed to know what we'reworking with.
Okay, so the first thing youneed to do is go on to instacart
, because I know you're notgoing to go to walgreens, but if
you choose to go to Walgreens,they have these little tiny star
things that the girls, andprobably boys, maybe everyone
puts on their zits, and nowyou'll see these podcasters in
(36:16):
their thirties and forties andthey just have stars all over
their face, and so you make itlike a whole fashion thing, and
so you just need a little brightorange star on your lip like,
and then it'd be like hey, girl,hey yeah, exactly, and if you
could give like a little wink sothey think you're super creepy.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
I don't think there's an age limit for the stars zit
stickers watch me go oninstacart and then be like are
you 18 or younger?
And I'm like no, and they'relike you're canceled, like
you're.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
You're embarrassing, you're an embarrassment to
society it's like when, uh Gen Zsaid we know you're old if you
don't part your hair in themiddle.
Oh, and I don't like I have alittle bit of a side part and my
hair won't part in the middleit literally has a cowlick and I
(37:07):
was like, well, I'm just gonnaembrace it yeah, yeah, you gotta
embrace it.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
You have a great part thank you.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Oh my god, that sounds dirty.
Okay, uh, we gotta wrap thisthing up.
I do have one update on veralydell um, the lunch lady who
stole thousands and millions ofchicken wings chicken wings.
I dug a little deeper she'sstill in jail.
We need to interview her.
Still.
I found out why she stole thechicken wings she has a gambling
(37:38):
problem and she's really sorryshe.
She actually sold the chickenwings to fuel the gambling
problem.
So look, if you're on Facebookmarketplace and you're still
buying chicken wings that maybeshe parceled out to different
family members, you're as guiltyas she is.
So don't buy any chicken wingson Facebook marketplace.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
Good advice, man, because I was about to just hop
off this podcast and go look atFacebook marketplace and get
some chicken wings.
I am so thankful for thewarning.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
I will say this we do have a close friend who has
introduced us to a lot of insane, like a cultural cuisine, who
she has found on Facebookmarketplace.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
Yeah, this is true, this is true.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Like she found.
Wasn't it Indian food that wecame over and had one time?
I was like I'm like eating it.
And I was like where'd you getthis?
And she was like Facebookmarketplace.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
Yes, yes, this, um, this woman who prepares Indian
cuisine makes the best butterchicken that has ever been made
in the entire world ever.
And this lady lives almostequidistant between me and you
moose.
Oh really, I didn't know whereshe lived.
Yeah, and she, she also offerscooking classes, so it's one of
(38:56):
those things where like, oh yeahyou tried to talk me into that
and I was like nah, man, I yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
I have been so lucky to not be kidnapped up to this
point by me or just anybodyanyone Like I watch a lot of
true crime and like I am notgoing to someone else's house
that I've met on Facebookmarketplace, I'm not going to do
it now.
I clearly will eat food fromsomeone that is on there, but
you're like is this reallychicken?
(39:24):
So moral of the story?
You're like is this reallychicken?
Speaker 1 (39:30):
so moral of the story don't get chicken wings off a
facebook marketplace, yes, butget butter chicken for sure,
yeah for sure.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
Oh, one more thing we are praying for our friends in
florida.
Uh, as of right now, this willair on wednesday, october 9th.
This will air on Wednesday,october 9th.
Um, as of right now, hurricaneMilton is a category five.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
We see Milton coming and.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Milton is coming and he is a big boy.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
Big time prayers for everyone in Florida.
Big time prayers from everyonestill in the throes of
recovering from Appalachia.
Yes, yes, from Helene.
Was it Heleneachia?
Yes, yes, from Helene.
Was it Helene Helene?
Yeah, yeah, nuts, that amountain town would be flooded.
I know it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
So we are praying for you.
How about we all call on ourangels and pray for Tampa and
all of everyone that's beenaffected by these two hurricanes
?
Speaker 1 (40:23):
Yes, yes, let's just blanket cover the entire
Southeast.
All of you Calling all angels,yes.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
All right, we love you guys.
See you next week.
Love you Bye.
Special thanks to our producer,sarah Reed, to find out more,
go to catandmoosepodcastcom.
Cat and Moose is a BPProduction.
Welcome to the Cat and Moose podcast.
I'm Cat and I'm Moose.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
This is a true life podcast where we explore the
quirks of being human.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Hey Cat, hey Moose, hey Sarah, sarah, sarah.
Where are you, sarah?
Speaker 2 (00:27):
We do have to give Sarah some props from last week,
that song that she wrote it wasgreat Angels in the
Unemployment Line.
I mean, you gave her a littlesomething and she just ran with
it, didn't she?
Speaker 1 (00:43):
She did, she did.
I was so impressed like Ilistened to it for the first
time and I was like, how did shedo that?
And then I listened to it likethree more times and I was like
I still don't know how she didthat and it was really, really
cool angels in the unemploymentline waiting on us to give them
(01:03):
a sign they're here to protect,but we don't take the time Now.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Angels are standing in the unemployment line.
I love that.
It was a country song too, yeahbut that's what you teed up.
You were like there's thatsounds like a country song.
Speaking of angels, can we justgo straight to one of our
listeners emails?
Speaker 1 (01:29):
I have it if you need to, yes, I have it I have it as
well.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Either one Great, no, I would love for you to read it
because this was fascinating tome.
There were several things Ilearned from this email.
Okay, good Well.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
I, I really, really cherish this person a lot.
This is one of my instructorsfrom school.
She's a regular listener and Ijust I love her perspective on
things.
She says hello friends, I likelistening to you on the weekends
while cooking Today's recipepeach blueberry cobbler with
almond biscuits.
I mean, holy moly, that soundsgood.
(02:02):
It sounds like she's BritishLike who makes peach?
Speaker 2 (02:06):
blueberry cobbler with almond biscuits.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Well, really awesome listeners who are also really
awesome people.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
I would love to try those.
Yes, if you would like to share?
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Yes, If you would like to share those with us.
You know who you are and yourname is so close to Moose's name
that it's a little bit spooky.
Okay, anyway, we used to have atrance channel that would come
to our massage school.
She channeled a group ofarchangels who collectively
called themselves Alicia.
Does this remind you of someoneelse, moose?
(02:38):
Yes, it does.
Yes, yes, it did me too.
I was like, oh, alicia andBashir, they should get married.
Okay, they enjoyed educating usabout angels.
Yes, everyone has two angelsthrough all lifetimes.
Same posse of angels.
Some have a group, like mynonverbal daughter.
One is behind your leftshoulder and can help with
(02:59):
emotional problems, likeblending their energy with yours
to calm you.
That's so cool, right.
The other, behind your rightshoulder, works more with the
physical realm, like getting afront row parking space when
you're running late.
Here's the kicker they do notinterfere unless they are asked.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
I mean, that is what I want you to keep reading, but
that is what gets me is, I didnot know Like the subject of her
email is angels have to beinvited.
Yes, and I never.
I did not know that.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Well, I remember one of my best friends who taught me
a lot about Jesus in college.
She always talked to me abouthow the Holy Spirit is a
gentleman.
Oh yeah, I've heard people saythat and I really appreciate
that.
I actually view the Holy Spiritmore like a woman, a gentle
woman.
But that's beside the point.
(03:55):
The Holy Spirit is not likepushy, you know.
It's like.
It's kind of like.
I think of it when I think oftrauma, informed language.
It's invitational, like theseangels are.
They need to be invited.
So, kat, a fun exercise, if youwish, might be to invite your
angels and the client's angelsto assist during the next few
(04:19):
sessions.
Set the intention that themassage would be for the highest
good of you and the client andsee what happens.
I did this during a Reiki classI was assisting.
I asked the instructor aboutinviting angels and she looked
at me funny and shrugged.
Sure, during the attunements,when students all had their eyes
(04:39):
closed, several felt a presencearound them and opened their
eyes.
No one there.
Several felt a presence aroundthem and opened their eyes no
one there.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
The instructor asked me not to do that anymore oh,
listen, I I understand being themost woo-woo in the space, so I
am with you, girl.
I am with you, yes anotherthing.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
There are levels of angels who can become physical
temporarily to help without ourasking.
Like saving someone from a fallfrom a building, puts them down
gently and disappears aroundthe corner.
What, yeah?
Or save someone after a carwreck and vanishes.
It is as hard, according toalicia, for them to become
(05:22):
physical as it is for us tobecome invisible and, according
to her, the Maasai tribe can doit.
Another rabbit hole to go down.
Headed back to my biscuits andfinishing your episode, just had
to say hi.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
I just want to say a big thank you for sending that
in, because there's a lot tounpack here yes, including the
biscuits.
Um, I have heard of the Messiah, I think.
Um, I know that this person hasheard of Bashar, so it makes me
happy.
We have found our people yes.
Bashar has spoken about theMessiah.
(05:58):
I mean, I feel like we havebecome like Joe Rogan overnight,
uh, as far as conspiracytheories and stuff, um, but I
love what she describes herebecause I had, uh I've had,
encounters like she's talkedabout.
The one that she said, and shedid say at one point, I may have
(06:20):
these backwards, but the oneshe describes is behind your
right shoulder works more in aphysical realm.
No, sorry, the emotionalproblems blending their energy
to calm you.
One time I was in London atthis charismatic conference
Don't ask Codependency, that'sall.
(06:41):
Somehow I and uh, all of thesepeople around me were, uh, doing
what they might call givinghigh praise to the Lord, which
just simply means going bat shitcrazy, like standing on chairs,
and I would not stand on achair and I was the only one not
standing on a chair, and I'mnot going to do anything that I
(07:02):
don't feel is very authentic tome, right, or that's me in my
best state, and I am not goingto perform.
That's one thing you won't getfrom me and I, just I, I almost
felt angry in that moment, likeI remember thinking, like I feel
so much pressure to dosomething that I'm not
comfortable doing.
And I was having this realdissonance, I was having this
pain in my back and I was like,what is this?
(07:25):
And no kidding, I felt a handon my back and, uh, to this day
I don't know what that is, butit literally took away the
anxiety and the physical painthat I was having.
So, uh, and I've also heardwhat she said that it takes a
lot of energy for them to comeinto the physical realm, as it
(07:46):
would us to be able to go intothat, their realm, and I've
learned that that's likedifferent levels of because
they're at such a high frequencycompared to where we are on
Earth.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Yeah, I mean that's that's really neat.
And I think it's really neat.
I remember you telling me aboutthe hand on your back thing.
Like I remember that story froma long time ago and and it just
kind of makes me wonder youtalking about there being like a
dissonance with what was goingon and what was quote unquote
(08:17):
expected of you in that momentand what you were and were not
willing to do.
Yeah, it makes me kind ofwonder was that hand
representative of your highestself?
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Oh yes, I mean, that feels very possible and very
true, honestly.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Like was that hand going?
Thank you for listening to yourbody.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Thank you for not acquiescing to this you know,
like, okay, so let me go a stepfurther, okay.
Later the pastor was likeprophesying over people in the
separate session and I steppedout of the room because I was so
uncomfortable with what washappening.
And again, it's not that Idon't believe that people have
(09:02):
the spirit none of that, trustme but for me it was becoming
too much and I am a verysensitive person, and so I went
to the bathroom.
When I came back in, I stood inthe back and no joke.
I knew that this pastor wasgoing to go from the very front
of the church to find me.
It happens all the time.
Where the light is brighter,the bugs are bigger.
(09:28):
And this guy came and went toput his hands on my neck and I
said no, and I put my hand outand I said no, and I think he
was very surprised, but I just Iwas like I don't need you to
put your hands on my body, likethat's exactly how I felt.
So, to your point, I think, yes, that was my authentic self,
simply saying I'm notcomfortable with what you're
(09:48):
dishing out right now.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Yeah, and that's okay .
Yeah, it is okay, and I justwant to celebrate that.
Like I have a friend who is sogood at that that it seems
effortless for her.
Yeah, like, if she's not okaywith something, you're going to
know it, and I'm not always thatway and I'm not that way either
.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
I would rather keep the peace most of the time, but
there is a line you hit whereyou're like.
Why am I allowing that?
I mean, we all have those lineswhere you're like, right.
I'm not comfortable with this.
Why am I not speaking up?
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Right, right, and I just think it's been really neat
to have for me, like people inmy life who don't seem to have
as hard of a time with that as Ido, because I'm going like,
well, how, how are you able todo that so easily?
And it's like, well, really,the only difference other than
(10:42):
training oneself to be this way,if you're not naturally this
way, the only difference is justbeing willing to do it.
Yeah, because you know whatEverybody around you is fine.
Does it make it awkward for amoment?
Maybe, maybe.
Does it make somebody feel likeI did something wrong?
Maybe, but is that any worsethan you feeling terrible, right
(11:04):
, and my question to you.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
I want to tell you what I think the answer is, but
I am not going to.
I would like for you to haveyour own agency and your own
autonomy.
Why are you afraid to do that?
Because, um, I'm curious if ouranswers are the same.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
I'm curious if our answers are the same.
Um, I, I'm, as we all know, I'mvery relational.
I'm very I really enjoy people,I care about people.
I, I want people to um, havethe space to be their most
authentic and wonderful andbeautiful self, and so that is
all very like other facing.
That's not me facing, yeah, soso to me it's like.
(11:54):
My initial answer is it's likewell, because I want other
people to be comfortable.
But the more I think about it,I really want other people to be
more comfortable, because thenI feel like I can be more
comfortable more comfortable,because then I feel like I can
be more comfortable.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Oh interesting, can you give me a scenario?
Like you don't have to givespecifics, but like this is what
that could look like.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Okay, I go into a classroom setting where I'm
going to go take a class andthere's a handful of seats
available and a handful of seatstaken in the seat that I would
really much prefer to be in.
Doesn't really work for me.
Like it did, like you know,it's like there's somebody there
, whatever, whatever, and so Iwill just like immediately go
(12:41):
like you're fine, sit over there, it's going to work out great.
Like it's going to work outfine.
And some would say, like, well,that's a complete denial of
self, that's not taking care ofyourself, and it's like, well,
does it really matter where Isit, you know?
And so like to me, it's like Ithink, like I'm gonna make the
whole room more comfortable yourface.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Even I know that.
Like, yeah, like, why doesn'teveryone understand that you are
making them more comfortable?
Speaker 1 (13:13):
right, yeah, yeah, and it's like, well, is that
really for them, or is that forme?
Speaker 2 (13:18):
well, I think it's also like a social response that
we always talk about too,because mine is very similar.
When I find myself doing that,where I'm like denying myself
whatever it is that maybe I want, or if somebody asks if I have
a preference, often I'll be likeI'm open, I really can do
(13:41):
anything similar, like I knowwhat it's like to see people be
the problem child and I don'twant to be the problem child.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Yeah me either.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
And I'm also in a very efficient person.
So like I don't want to have a30 minute conversation about
where we're having dinner orlunch, or a meeting.
I just want, let's make adecision and let's do the thing
yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
But I?
It is hard for me to share mypreferences.
Often I mean, I have them, Iknow what they are, that's the
thing.
Some people don't know whattheir preferences are.
Right, I just am like I I'drather us wrap this thing up.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Right, right, and I think that like I have them
preferences, that is, I thinkthey are so sometimes very
inaccessible Because I just Ichoose to to go like, in the
grand scheme of all the things,I don't care if we eat at
(14:43):
McDonald's or Burger King, likeI don't, like I really don't
care.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
I'm more concerned that those are your two options.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
I knew when it came out of my mouth I was like well,
both of these are bad ideas.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
I was gonna say I know you eat better than that.
Yeah for sure.
Okay, back to the angels.
Have you encountered an angel?
Speaker 1 (15:04):
I, yes.
Are you going to tell us aboutit?
I will, if you would like tohear about it.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
My preference is for you to tell me about this.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
So I got to be a part of a really cool thing called
the World Meeting of Families inPhiladelphia yeah, it was
Philadelphia, I think.
And then we also went to NewYork City and this is several,
several years ago, way pre-COVID, and I met a gentleman who was
a part of how we got to do thiswhole event, who wrote me a
(15:38):
story and put it in an envelopeand gave it to me to read later
and I was like that's kind ofdifferent.
Different, like what in theworld is this?
And his story, um, wasbasically like when you see a
feather, know that your guardianangel is nearby.
And I remember his story andhow he arrived there and how
(15:59):
that became his truth was soimpactful to me that I thought
you know what, next time I see afeather, I'm going to assume
that that is a signal that my,my guardian angel is nearby.
And that night I got on the tourbus to, you know, to leave the
city and go to the next thingand one of my business cards
(16:20):
fell out of my purse and my logofor my business at the time was
a feather.
Oh yeah, whoa.
And so I was like could this bethat literal, like could this
be that on point?
And so ever since then I justkind of felt like that's legit.
Like that's legit when I comeacross a feather, I'm just going
(16:42):
to take that as a signal thatmy guardian angel and now that I
know that I have two, it's likeI'm going to take that as a
signal that my guardian angeland now that I know that I have
two, it's like I'm going to takethat as a signal that they are
around.
And like the other day I wentand took the trash out and right
by my trash can there was apigeon feather and I was just
like really yeah.
And I was like I don't, I don'tknow why I need my guardian
angels right now taking thetrash out and I welcome you,
(17:05):
like I'm very glad that you'rehere.
So, yes, those are, those arewhat I consider um experiences
with angels.
I have not physically seen anangelic looking, being like
looking after me or taking careof me or whatever.
How about you?
Speaker 2 (17:22):
well, recently I this must have been the summer I uh
went with a friend to what Ifound online was called a kite
festival and I thought how coolwould that be just to sit in a
park and watch these peopleflying these kites.
Well, I get there and I've gotboth of my dogs, and there's not
(17:42):
a person with a kite, there's afamily reunion and something
else.
I have no idea.
It was a beautifully hot day,and so I met my friend at the
park and I asked her uh, willyou walk one of the dogs,
whatever?
And so she's got a dog, I'vegot a dog and, um, it is 95
(18:03):
degrees cat in this park.
This gentleman is walking andI'm not even kidding you, he
looks like somebody who has oneof those old school watches in
his pocket.
What are those called Pocketwatch?
How about that?
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Really smart.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Pocket watch and he's basically in what a three piece
suit would be without thejacket, but he's way too dressed
up to be at this park.
We're all wearing shorts andflip-flops, hot as can be.
And you know my dogs, they gocrazy anytime someone approaches
them because they're crazyrescues.
And no joke, kat, he's walkingtowards and I was like telling
(18:50):
my friend Ruthie, I'm like holdhim tight, hold him tight.
You know both dogs sit down andlet him come up to him, which
they're afraid of, men.
What?
And I am in shock by this.
He tells us his name and saysgood morning and looks directly
at me and I could have thechills right now thinking about
(19:12):
it and I was like good morning.
I was like they never act thisgood.
They're both rescues and I'mlike sorry, I'm kind of in awe
that they're being so good andhe was so kind to me and my
friend.
And then he walked off and then, as we were leaving, he looped
around the other way.
I didn't see him the whole timewe were at the park.
He looped around the other wayand made another and said
goodbye to us and both me and myfriend were like that was so
(19:38):
different.
It wasn't like a creepy guythat was.
It was so different that weboth felt like he was an angelic
being.
I don't know, I can't relate itto anything good or bad that
happened or anything like that,but it felt like that sort of
encounter.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
I feel like I really want producer Sarah to fade in
here.
Entertaining angels by thelight of my TV stream 24-7.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Do you remember that news voice?
Yes, yes, I'd change the screen24-7.
You remember that newsboy?
Yeah, if you don't know whatwe're talking about, we have
some trauma from working in aChristian music industry.
We also have some joy.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
A lot of joy, like that song in particular.
We have amazing careers.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Yes, and that was a newsboy song from 90.
Look it up, kat.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
What year?
I bet it's 98 98.
I bet it's 97 or 98 and I willsay that it is one of my
sister's favorite songs oh,really, yeah, you know, probably
one of my sisters too.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
She was a huge fan.
Um, okay, I want to just smallcommercial break here.
Guys, the messiah people thatour dear listener mentioned,
just gonna give you a littlenugget, because that's what we
do, we like.
This is from Wikipedia.
The Maasai people are an ethnicgroup inhabiting northern,
central and southern Kenya andnorthern Tanzania near the
(20:58):
African Great Lakes region.
Ok, they speak.
I don't know.
Yeah, this may not be thepeople she's talking about.
So cut all of that, sarah.
I really thought I was going toeducate, but I'm like no, this
isn't what this is.
Okay, so we'll report back onthe Maasai people.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Yes, we will, because I will have to do a deep dive,
like I have begun the veryshallow tiptoes into the water
of a deep dive about humandesign.
Do you know about this?
Speaker 2 (21:32):
No, but I just picture, if this is the water
here, you doing this with yourtoes into the water.
Oh is it warm or is?
Speaker 1 (21:41):
it cold, I'm frolicking in the surface waters
of what is called human designand I am literally frolicking
for the first time.
So I have almost nothing.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
We are not an educational podcast or a fact
podcast and this thing calledhuman design.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
You can put in your name, your birth date, your time
of birth, your place of birthname, your birth date, your time
of birth, your place of birthand much like when you get an
astrology chart.
From doing that, you get thisthing that looks like one of my
like acupressure posters.
It's got like all these likedifferent like points in the
(22:22):
body and it's got like pathwaysand channels and stuff like that
and it basically delineates youinto one of five types of being
like as a human.
You're either a manifestor, amanifestor generator, a
projector, et cetera, et cetera.
And I was like I can't wait totell Moose and producer Sarah
(22:44):
about this because we have yetone more layer to add on top of
all of our enneagrammyers-briggs astrology.
You know the whole nine yards.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
So human design, human.
Okay, I'm looking, I I'm allwikipedia again, guys, so hoping
this goes well.
It's a pseudo scientific.
I love anything that's pseudoscientific pseudo scientific new
age practice, described as aholistic self-knowledge system.
(23:16):
It combines astrology, theChinese I Ching oh, I love the I
Ching Judaic Kabbalah, judaicKabbalah, vedic philosophy and
modern physics.
I mean, wow, right, isn't that?
Speaker 1 (23:34):
so neat?
Oh, show us, this is mine.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
What in the world?
This is cool, isn't that neat.
You're a manifesting generator.
What does that mean?
I don't know yet.
Oh, of course, your innerauthority is your sacral, isn't
that down in your junk?
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Oh, I mean you could have seen Scorpio right there
and put that down.
Oh, I totally offended aScorpio today.
I thought I was okay, and I waslike oh, hips forward.
And they were like I wouldn'tconsider myself a hips forward
gal.
And I was like well, maybeyou're not a Scorpio.
Oh, they didn't actually saythat.
They, their face, said that Iwas going to say what, what
(24:18):
actually happened.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Yeah, I said that I was embarrassed and their face
said wow, that was a lot, and Ithought that was a lot and their
face said wow, that was a lot,and I thought that was a lot,
but that is who I am, is a lot.
Well, you, I, I, I mean, Ithink that you identify yourself
as a lot, um, but I don't thinkeveryone experiences you as a
lot.
Okay, good.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
So okay, so human design you what it.
It says here that you were amanifesting generator.
Do we know what that is?
Speaker 1 (24:50):
yeah, I looked up some definitions earlier and,
like I said, I have beenfrolicking in the shallow waters
.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
That's fine we, you know what we are?
A curiosity podcast.
Yes, yes, and so we just giveyou little facts.
It's really up to you, as thelistener, to get the degree.
Yes, yes, we're just teasingyou with fun information.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
And, to be honest, it might just be that I'm being a
manifesting generator bybringing this up.
And then, you know, theprojectors of the world can go
and teach everybody about it andbecome wonderful leaders and
educators and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
I must be a manifesting generator to that.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Yeah, I, I have a feeling that you're a manifester
, but I, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
I do love to manifest .
Listen, you guys, we just haveto call our angels in to
manifest this stuff.
I do believe that prayer andmanifestation.
I have heard we have talkedabout this.
If you can visualize it in yourbrain, it is as good as you
creating it.
You just have to put the workin what I know that part's hard.
(26:00):
What is it that you're learningright now in your life?
You?
Speaker 1 (26:05):
just rolled your eyes About what I'm learning in my
life.
I don't know if that's what theeye roll was for.
It was Because learning is hard.
It is hard, yes, and I'm likemuch like you.
I'm a perpetual student.
(26:26):
I love to be in classes.
I love to be in classes.
I love to be in school.
I love to learn things.
I have a harder time when thelearning requires me to change
my behavior.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Me too.
Yeah, yeah it's a whole thing.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Yeah, I do this thing , and someone who pointed it out
to me was so, so gracious inthe way that they pointed it out
is.
They said, kat, you kind of dothis for a living.
So the fact that you did this,I'm not mad at you about it,
because I think it's like secondnature for your.
I ended up telling this personit's second nature for me.
(27:03):
And wait, you got to give usmore details.
I will, yeah, yeah, yeah, Iwill, I will.
So, basically, um, I I kind ofgot somebody out of having to do
something that I thought theydidn't want to do.
Yeah, natural instinct, I dothis for my clients all the time
, not my massage clients, butlike my music clients.
You know, it's like I have todecline a lot on their behalf, a
(27:27):
lot, and it's not becausethey're bad people, it's because
, like, based in all of thepriorities in life and and all
of that kind of stuff, it's likeyou just can't say yes to
everything and so, um, so I justmade an assumption I mean sort
of educated assumption, butstill an assumption like, hey,
I'm just going to get thisperson out of this by, like
(27:47):
going and taking care of it andjust not even, and it made the
person really uncomfortable.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Oh, they didn't want you to.
Oh, I've done this before.
All of a sudden it just hit myfunny bone and I was like, oh,
that is painful.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
So what's, what's the funny bone?
Feeling like how did that makeyou feel?
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Sick to my stomach.
Yeah, this is the same as whenmy therapist said to me, what
are you trying to do for thisperson?
And I said I'm trying toprotect them.
Remember that and she goes whatif they don't want to be
protected?
Amen, and I yes, I threw up, Ishit my pants, I I was like, who
(28:27):
doesn't want to be protected?
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Yeah, yeah, and, and so that's what I'm learning
right now is that it's like justan awareness in my life of like
, just because I think I'm doingyou a favor, just because I
think I'm, I'm doing somethingthat is helpful to you, it's not
, I don't immediately havepermission to do that, and not
only do I not have permission todo it, it might hurt you, it
(28:52):
might offend you, like it mightbe a problem for me to intervene
, and it's like, oh, my goshlike what a lesson right.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Okay, so we've been talking about the change of
season and things we're learning.
You are describing lettingthings go, which is what we've
been talking about.
How lovely, and the one thing Ihave on my list here I'm
learning to let things, let goof things.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Really yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
That is so cool.
I mean, this is the season Like, yeah, you can let go of what
you think anyone else might beneeding, which is hard for an
Enneagram too.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Yes, yes, I think it's hard for most humans.
Yeah, no, I agree, I meanthere's there's some that it's
like, actually I don't give ashit, like, but like, for most I
think I think.
Yeah, I think that's reallyhard, I do too.
Um, can you give me an exampleof your, your lessons in, in
learning to let go?
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Yeah, I am a perpetual student, as you said,
and I also love a challenge asan Enneagram eight.
Um, however, I just readsomewhere I've never heard this
before Don't let Enneagrameights get bored because they
(30:15):
get into trouble.
And so I.
My kind of trouble as a 46 yearold looks more like signing
myself up for things that, uh,overcommit me.
And so I let go of a, of adream to go back to school and
be a counselor and I finally letit.
(30:36):
I let it into the, into theriver and let it float away out
of my sight, and made thedecision that the path I'm on
with podcasting and withcoaching and my whole career
doing radio promotion, thatthat's enough for right now.
And so it was a really likeritualistic, um, kind of
(31:01):
honoring process when I madethat decision.
And then I had immediate peaceabout it and I thought letting
go of that was going to be likesomething I had to grieve, and
it actually felt a lot likerelease because I was holding
onto it so tightly, like I haveto do this before I die, I have
to get this degree before I die,and, um, I don't know like I
(31:22):
just it.
Literally, I can tell you itwas like putting a little paper
boat into the river and justletting it go wherever else it
needed to go, but it wasn'tmeant to stay with me.
Wow, wow.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
That's so beautiful and, as someone who loves you
very dearly and has loved youfor a very long time, that makes
me so happy.
Time that makes me so happy,like I love that.
Like such an important lettinggo felt like letting a paper
boat float down the river, likethat makes me so happy for you.
Congratulations on knowing whatyou needed to do and doing it.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
That's awesome yeah, and my old self that is so
competitive and not evencompetitive.
I wouldn't even call myselfcompetitive.
I hold myself to like highstandards of like I want to
achieve this, Like I do, likethat, Um, my old self would have
been like you know what.
It's going to take a lot oftime and there's going to, but
you're going to get through.
(32:21):
It's all about just survivingand getting through.
You know, it's like this littlekid that thinks she's in a war
all the time and you're like youjust need a nap, boo, you know,
like you need a nap.
And so, yeah, there was somesadness and letting that dream
go, but I also.
The piece was just so clear andso, um, I have a piece of
(32:43):
advice for everyone.
Uh, I just got off the phonewith a friend who was changing
jobs and it feels like a veryscary thing for them, but also
very exciting.
And the thing they said is youknow, I just have a lot of peace
about it and that's somethingthat we throw around a lot, but
also, like follow the peace.
You know, like the peace iswhere it's at, Like excitement
(33:07):
comes and goes, but when you'relike this feels really good, I'm
in the flow, Like pay attentionto what and who.
That is because you knowthere's so many moments of our
day that aren't necessarily thatand I know we can't get rid of
all the chaos.
But like, if you're making ahard decision, like, look for
the peace Cause, even if it is ahard decision, it might be the
(33:28):
right one.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
And one thing that I've noticed is that a lot of
times the peace, the feeling ofpeace, it has all these little
minions around it who go notpeace, not peace, not peace, you
know, and it's like wait aminute, I thought I felt peace,
but then I had all these littleand I think those are like ego
minions that are like not peace,you know, and it's like, wait a
minute, I thought I felt peace,but then I had all these little
and I think those are like egominions that are like not okay,
(33:50):
not okay, not okay.
You must be a PhD and an MD anda CE and a blah, blah, blah,
blah, you know, and it's like,oh my God, like where did the
peace go?
I thought I just had it Exactly.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Like the voices and all the parts definitely come in
.
And one of the things I had tosit with myself on when I was
making this decision is why isit so important for me to say
that I have I'm an EDS andcounseling?
Why is that important for me?
And I had to come to terms with.
I am always looking forsomething to validate that I am
enough, whether that's in acareer, which this would be, or
(34:31):
it's in my own personal life.
I always think people havepicked the wrong person, you
know, and that's not me and mytruest self.
That's like all the little kidtrauma stuff.
But ultimately, like I think,well, if I have this degree,
then everybody will come to me.
And here's the reality.
I don't really want anyonecoming to me.
(34:53):
I had to come to terms withthat too.
Like, oh, actually I love whatI get to do.
Um, anyway, there's lots andlots of reasons, but it did
really hit me when it came downto like because this was true at
one point doesn't mean it'salways true.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Yes, oh, lord, yes, isn't that the truth?
Man, like Moose, you aredropping some serious wisdom
this week.
Thank you, I wanted to know ifyou could give me some girly
advice.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Oh, please tell me, I doubt it.
Is it about how to curl yourhair?
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Can you see, is that?
Speaker 2 (35:32):
a zit.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Yes.
Oh, I'll tell you what the kidsare doing?
Okay, tell me what the kids aredoing, because this hurts.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Yeah Well, first of all, is it herpes?
That is the first question.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
No, no, no, no, it is a full-on, it is a zit, it is
not a cold sore, okay, no it'snot a cold sore.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
I'm not shaming anyone with herpes at all, just
needed to know what we'reworking with.
Okay, so the first thing youneed to do is go on to instacart
, because I know you're notgoing to go to walgreens, but if
you choose to go to Walgreens,they have these little tiny star
things that the girls, andprobably boys, maybe everyone
puts on their zits, and nowyou'll see these podcasters in
(36:16):
their thirties and forties andthey just have stars all over
their face, and so you make itlike a whole fashion thing, and
so you just need a little brightorange star on your lip like,
and then it'd be like hey, girl,hey yeah, exactly, and if you
could give like a little wink sothey think you're super creepy.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
I don't think there's an age limit for the stars zit
stickers watch me go oninstacart and then be like are
you 18 or younger?
And I'm like no, and they'relike you're canceled, like
you're.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
You're embarrassing, you're an embarrassment to
society it's like when, uh Gen Zsaid we know you're old if you
don't part your hair in themiddle.
Oh, and I don't like I have alittle bit of a side part and my
hair won't part in the middleit literally has a cowlick and I
(37:07):
was like, well, I'm just gonnaembrace it yeah, yeah, you gotta
embrace it.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
You have a great part thank you.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Oh my god, that sounds dirty.
Okay, uh, we gotta wrap thisthing up.
I do have one update on veralydell um, the lunch lady who
stole thousands and millions ofchicken wings chicken wings.
I dug a little deeper she'sstill in jail.
We need to interview her.
Still.
I found out why she stole thechicken wings she has a gambling
(37:38):
problem and she's really sorryshe.
She actually sold the chickenwings to fuel the gambling
problem.
So look, if you're on Facebookmarketplace and you're still
buying chicken wings that maybeshe parceled out to different
family members, you're as guiltyas she is.
So don't buy any chicken wingson Facebook marketplace.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
Good advice, man, because I was about to just hop
off this podcast and go look atFacebook marketplace and get
some chicken wings.
I am so thankful for thewarning.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
I will say this we do have a close friend who has
introduced us to a lot of insane, like a cultural cuisine, who
she has found on Facebookmarketplace.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
Yeah, this is true, this is true.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Like she found.
Wasn't it Indian food that wecame over and had one time?
I was like I'm like eating it.
And I was like where'd you getthis?
And she was like Facebookmarketplace.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
Yes, yes, this, um, this woman who prepares Indian
cuisine makes the best butterchicken that has ever been made
in the entire world ever.
And this lady lives almostequidistant between me and you
moose.
Oh really, I didn't know whereshe lived.
Yeah, and she, she also offerscooking classes, so it's one of
(38:56):
those things where like, oh yeahyou tried to talk me into that
and I was like nah, man, I yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
I have been so lucky to not be kidnapped up to this
point by me or just anybodyanyone Like I watch a lot of
true crime and like I am notgoing to someone else's house
that I've met on Facebookmarketplace, I'm not going to do
it now.
I clearly will eat food fromsomeone that is on there, but
you're like is this reallychicken?
(39:24):
So moral of the story?
You're like is this reallychicken?
Speaker 1 (39:30):
so moral of the story don't get chicken wings off a
facebook marketplace, yes, butget butter chicken for sure,
yeah for sure.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
Oh, one more thing we are praying for our friends in
florida.
Uh, as of right now, this willair on wednesday, october 9th.
This will air on Wednesday,october 9th.
Um, as of right now, hurricaneMilton is a category five.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
We see Milton coming and.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Milton is coming and he is a big boy.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
Big time prayers for everyone in Florida.
Big time prayers from everyonestill in the throes of
recovering from Appalachia.
Yes, yes, from Helene.
Was it Heleneachia?
Yes, yes, from Helene.
Was it Helene Helene?
Yeah, yeah, nuts, that amountain town would be flooded.
I know it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
So we are praying for you.
How about we all call on ourangels and pray for Tampa and
all of everyone that's beenaffected by these two hurricanes
?
Speaker 1 (40:23):
Yes, yes, let's just blanket cover the entire
Southeast.
All of you Calling all angels,yes.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
All right, we love you guys.
See you next week.
Love you Bye.
Special thanks to our producer,sarah Reed, to find out more,
go to catandmoosepodcastcom.
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