March 5, 2025 • 43 mins
Dive into the latest episode of Kat and Moose, where we unravel the complexities of human experiences with humor and heart. This week, we introduce the whimsical idea of a "furuncle"—a medical term that encapsulates the quirks and embarrassments we all face. Through personal anecdotes, we explore how these experiences, while often awkward, serve as stepping stones for personal growth.
As we navigate through life's challenges, we pose the critical question: why do we struggle to speak up when faced with inappropriate or uncomfortable situations? The conversation delves into underlying fears, societal conditioning, and the power dynamics at play. Drawing from real-life experiences, we encourage listeners to rehearse ways to voice their thoughts confidently and embrace the awkward moments.
With spring around the corner, we highlight how this season often brings a desire for renewal and self-expression—an ideal time to challenge ourselves to assert our truths. By acknowledging our vulnerabilities, we take valuable steps toward self-acceptance and empowerment.
Join us as we share our hilarious mishaps and insightful reflections, proving that even in our most vulnerable moments, we're all navigating this wonderfully weird journey together. Subscribe, engage with us, and embrace your quirks!
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to the Cat and Moose podcast.
I'm Cat.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
And I'm Moose.
This is a true life podcastwhere we explore the quirks of
being human.
What?
Speaker 3 (00:16):
did you just say Sarah?
I said I need a haircut becausemy hair looks like a wig.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
I mean that's kind of cool.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
to be honest, though, no one's disagreeing, so I know
.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
I, I, I just I actually do completely disagree,
because I think your hair looksgreat.
I love when your hair gets bigand wild, so I I kind of am like
I'm just watching you like workout your own judgment about
your hair.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
God don't?
We all have a bunch?
Speaker 3 (00:44):
We were talking about that yesterday on a walk, how,
like, we all deal with some formof it.
Right, it's the thing thatkeeps us from leaving the house,
the thing that the hill we haveto climb over to get out and,
like, go be in public and beseen, whatever that is for you,
like, we all experience it and Ijust am here to tell you.
Everyone else experiences thatand they're not thinking what
(01:06):
you think.
They're thinking about it's100% thinking about their own
shit, yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
I forget that.
I think I'm the only one thathas like stress.
But she asked me to go for awalk yesterday and I said my
answer is always no to anything.
First in case you don't knowthat about me, I think I do that
.
Yeah, like the answer is no,and then I can be talked into
things.
But I said no, but I had aellipses at the end of it.
(01:36):
You know she could feel thatand she was like why?
And I said cause my pants arecovered in dog hair.
And she was like nobody isgetting close enough to you.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
No, one, and when I?
Speaker 2 (01:45):
say covered, I mean covered and and I.
So that wasn't an excuse and Isaid, plus, we're walking with
two white dogs.
Right, right, it's going to geton black pants, sorry.
Anyway.
I did it, I walked, and youknow what I was better for it.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Oh God, all right.
Hey Kat, hey Moose, hey Sarah,hello friends, hello.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Hello, welcome to the Kat and Moose podcast.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Welcome to the Kat and Moose hardcast.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Porncast, porncast.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
You know this one is.
I know we always have theexplicit little thing by our
podcast which makes me thinklike, oh my gosh, I can't
believe my mom and my sisterlistened to this.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
But then I'm like last week's episode was called
slipping a pinky Right, right,right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
So this.
I'm just saying this week isreally going to be a little bit
more worthy of that explicitcontent badge and so I'm just
giving everybody a heads up.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Um, I just wow.
I think we need to dive rightin I'm very excited talk to us
cat.
Well, I'm wondering if eitherof you have ever experienced a
fur, uncle, a fur uncle a furuncle for uncle mean, I'm
guessing that would be if my mom, if what is it?
(03:11):
Is it a pet?
Speaker 1 (03:15):
from a relative.
I'm curious this is thequestion I actually wanted to
ask is when I say the word furuncle, what do you think?
Speaker 2 (03:24):
I immediately go to furry.
Do you know what furries are?
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Yeah, you go to like a furry, like fur baby.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
No, like a furry.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
A furry Okay.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Like you, remember the people who dress in mascot
outfits and they hook up.
Oh, they meet each other atconventions.
Wait, they hook up.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
I don't know anything about that.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Yes, we've talked about it.
This is the problem.
We have.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
I have photos.
I saw it in Australia.
I immediately thought of alegitimately furry human.
That's your uncle.
Like yes, like a with a disease, like where they've got that
syndrome, where they just growhair everywhere Like an ape.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
That's what I pictured.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
A disease where they grow hair everywhere.
That's called a human.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
It's probably not right to say disease.
It's probably a syndrome or athing.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
It's not quite a disease, it's a syndrome.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
It's a fur syndrome.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Fur uncle syndrome Exactly, it's a fur syndrome.
Fur uncle syndrome Exactly,it's a fur syndrome that your
uncle has.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
I went to furry first and then I went to, like, if my
sister had a dog, is that myuncle?
Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Like I was trying to figurethat out, but that got too
complicated.
If your sister's dog was, herdad.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
that would make him your uncle too complicated.
If your sister's dog was herdad, that would make him your
uncle, yeah that would make thedog my dad as well.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
So it's like a family tree thing.
I don't know.
Clearly, I don't know, I don'tknow.
We obviously don't know.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
I'm curious for those of you listening and willing to
send us an email at hello atcat and moose podcast dot com.
I would be curious what yourimmediate thoughts were when I
said do you know what a furuncle is Like?
I'm just really curious becauseI thought it was the strangest
word for what this thing is.
Middle english word um fromlatin for nucleus, literally
(05:25):
meaning petty thief and alsomeaning knob on a vine, regarded
as stealing the sap from thevine.
So the thief is the petty thieffrom stealing the sap from the
vine.
Okay, that's got it.
That's the origin of the word.
The actual definition of theword is a painful pus filled
(05:47):
bump that forms under your skinwhen bacteria infect and inflame
one or more of your hairfollicles.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
I have had this, it's a fur uncle.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
It's called a fur uncle, a fur uncle, so an
ingrown hair.
Yes, you have an ingrown hair.
It is an infected ingrown hair.
Yes, wow, and I told my this iswhere it's going to get fun.
I was at the doctor today.
I had a what I'm going to callan urgent doctor's appointment
with my OBGYN.
Oh shoot, and I have.
(06:24):
I asked her, I know where thisis going.
I think she said she said howcan I help you today?
And I said well, dr, fill inthe blank.
I said I have a fur uncle on myvulva.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Oh my God, I mean that took me a second.
Well, allow, oh my gosh, KatDavis.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
And that that is the procedure that I just went
through, like an hour and a halfago, patrons, you got your
money, holy shit.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Holy.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
McNally, wow In the sky.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
I think that this is what they call big T trauma.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Oh my God For you and us now.
Yes, thank you.
Especially you but as areverberated through us now and
the listeners they haven't evenseen it.
Can you describe?
Do you need to?
Speaker 2 (07:20):
No, because they know what it is.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Everyone has had this before no, they know what it is
.
And I I asked my doctor, I saidshe goes, I don't know what
that word is.
And she goes.
And I don't know where youfound that word.
And I'm like well, I looked upskin boil and medical term for
skin boil and it came up furuncle and I was like no, like
(07:44):
that's not, that's not that.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
No, you said I have a thief on my vulva.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
I do I have a thief on my vulva.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
In other words, and I've never thought of my vulva
as being something that anyonewould want to steal.
For uncle it is.
Here's what's crazy.
This week I was fed this onTikTok and I have the action.
It's so weird that this happensto us.
(08:17):
I have no idea you were goingto share this.
I'm going to read it.
It says, when I tell mypatients with boils in their
armpits, breasts, buttocks orgroin that this could be a
chronic inflammatory conditionknown as hydrodentis superativa,
(08:37):
Hypergenitis, that hormones andgenetics play a role and you
need to cleanse it with benzoylperoxide or hyba cleanse.
I've never heard of thosethings before.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Yeah, so weird it is, guys clean your groins.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Well, the thing is, is that like, or you're going to
end up?
Speaker 3 (08:57):
like cat.
Have you been cleaning?
Oh, oh, I have a pimple behindmy earlobe.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Okay, guys, this is not who we are.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Today and she said you didn't clean behind your
ears.
And I have never needed toclean behind my ears as much as
I think I do now because I havea pimple behind my ear Guys.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
It's hormonal.
This is not about cleaning yourgroins.
I promise that was your groin.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
And the thing is is that, like the whole way home
from the doctor's appointment, Ijust sobbed.
I just sobbed.
I hear that and I was like Inpain, I don't even know.
I mean obviously some kind ofdiscomfort, yeah.
And so I asked myself self whyare you crying right now,
(09:49):
without judgment, Like?
It's okay that you're crying.
Like why?
What's going on?
Like, why are you crying?
And one of the things that Ihave learned about myself in
this season of life is that Iget really angry or really upset
when I feel dumb or when I feelembarrassed.
Yeah me too, and so I justthought how do I feel about this
(10:12):
?
And I feel embarrassed becauseI basically feel like my doctor
said you don't wash your hooch,I think it's a cooch not a hooch
, I know, I know.
But for some people in my lifethey will think that's very
funny, and so anyway and shenever said that to me she never
said you know, how is yourhygiene, or anything like that.
(10:34):
She was like oh, this is verycommon and I had to get shots.
I had to get numbing shots, Ihad to get some, and then, like,
when I left, it looked likethere was a blood bath left
behind.
It was horrible.
It was horrible.
I'm so sorry.
I'm sorry too, and I don't.
Is this OK content?
(10:55):
Yeah, it's OK, because I'mgoing to share.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
When something like this happened to me OK, get
ready everyone.
Similar situation, not on mylabia majora or vulva, but on
the inside of my upper thigh.
I was camping in virginia beachand it was a boil and I was
(11:18):
washing, just so everyone knows.
I was still washing, but it gotso.
It got so bad that I had tocall my doctor in Nashville and
say I have no, I, but I felt thesame embarrassment.
I was like I have no idea whatto do about this.
I am in so much pain.
Like mine was so painful whereit was yes, and I she was like
(11:43):
okay, like I want you to sit ina bath and like you know what I
mean.
Like oh yeah, epsom salt orwhatever, which I know you hate
baths, but I did, hey, I took abath last night for like two
hours like just running the hotwater and like just going, like
rise to the surface.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
You demon from the pit, yeah like burn it off yeah,
burn it, burn it out, rise.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Uncle Rise.
So while we were camping I waslike I'm going to get a hotel
room just to like, even though Idon't want to sit in a hotel
bath normally.
I didn't have that in thecamper.
And so I get a hotel room.
I check in, I'm like, ok, atleast I'll have some comfort by
doing this.
I get in there and those mofosput me in a shower only room.
(12:26):
I go back down and they go.
We don't have any rooms withbathtubs.
Oh, my word and I was like okay, screw this, I'm not doing this
.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Anyway, there's a thing called a sits bath have
you heard of this, oh, yes.
I didn't know what that was,and so it's basically one of
those hats that you poop in whenyou get old and have to have
your poop checked.
Wow guys, it's like one ofthose.
Then you put hot water in it,so I had to do that in the
camper, but it was awful.
Welcome to the cat and moosepodcast.
Yes, we talk about our boils.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Yes, we talk about our baby and let me ask you
moose, did it resolve on its?
Speaker 2 (12:59):
own.
No, she called in an antibiotic.
It was.
It's that bacteria, bacteriait's called bacteria yeah, back,
drum back drum.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Yeah, yeah, that's like a heavy within two days.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
It was like a million times better, but oh boy that
is not fun.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
Listen, I'm sure we're not alone.
I think we're just willing totalk about it, and I think a lot
of people deal with this onvarious parts of their body
sucks well, I and from what mydoctor said, she's like this is
very common.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
I see this all the time.
This is no big deal and I'mlike I'll tell you what a big
deal is.
Yes, listen to me I'm not gonnahave you tell me that this is
not a big deal, like I'm in somuch discomfort and so much pain
and so much like embarrassmentand like I have to drive this
way, I have to walk this way,like I have to function.
(13:53):
Oh my gosh, like I'm so sorryand it's it's just one of those
things that I was like.
This is, if not anything else,hilarious like this is like yeah
it's real life, baby.
It is.
It's real life and I would loveto hear from all of our boil
sufferers please write in pleaseif you're listening going, this
(14:15):
is disgusting.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
We agree, we know you're gonna get one in a week
if you don't listen through thatwhole thing I think you're kind
of casting spells.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
There moose are, are you a witch?
A little voodoo.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Hey, it is.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Mardi.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Gras, that's what I am now it is Mardi Gras.
Oh yeah, well, they do likevoodoo, they do In Louisiana.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
So Mardi Gras means that we're leading into Lent,
which means that some peoplehave a practice during Lent of
giving something up.
Are you one of those people?
Well, I, my mom, said um, today.
She said what she was giving upfor Lent and it was kind of
tongue in cheek and I'm notgoing to say it on the podcast
just to protect her privacy.
But I wrote back and I said I'mconsidering giving up, worrying
(14:56):
.
And she wrote back and she said.
She said I hope we both last atleast a day.
So I don't know, I don't knowif I'm planning on giving
anything up.
I thought about taking socialmedia off of my phone, but I
don't really look at socialmedia very much anyway, yeah, Um
, and so I?
I really don't know.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Yeah, you can't pick something easy if you're going
to actually go for it.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Yeah, and it's like the.
The goal is not necessarily forit to be hard, as much as it is
to say I am going to replacethe time that I spend doing X,
you know, social media, whateverit is with being contemplative
and communing with the Lord.
Like that's like what the wholeidea of like giving up
(15:40):
something for Lent is, and Iwant to commune more with the
Lord, like I feel like I'm avery spiritual person and blah,
blah, blah.
So like I'm up for that, but Idon't really know what my thing
to let go of needs to be quiteyet, and I've got about six
hours to decide.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Oh, it starts tomorrow.
Oh, it starts tonight.
Yeah, it starts tonight, oh, atmidnight.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Yeah, fat Tuesday, mardi Gras is the day before Ash
Wednesday, that starts thebeginning of Lent.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Lord, I have never put all of that together, Me
either but I did not know thateither.
But I was listening to some NewOrleans music yesterday.
I've got a great playlist tosend y'all.
It's so good.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Maybe you could play us out with something.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Okay, I have a question about this, because is
this the same time of year thatpeople who are doing Lent start
or start eating more fish?
Is there like I feel likethat's a thing and like fast
food restaurants suddenly arelike our fish sandwich, our fish
sandwich on Fridays, yeah, yeah, fridays are typically like
Catholic fundraiser fish fries,because you're not supposed to
(16:41):
eat meat, um, on Fridays duringLent.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
So there, I think there's four Fridays during Lent
, it's the 40 days leading up toEaster, and and Jesus, from
what the Bible says, fasted andprayed for 40 days, and so it's
like well, he went without.
So we mimic that in some way,so we go quote unquote, without
meat, and I guess that meansmeat from like the land.
I guess so, because in myCatholic tradition of growing up
(17:09):
like, it was always like well,you can only have fish on
Fridays, and I'm like or youcould just be a vegetarian and
not worry about it.
That's no fun, I never knewthat.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
I remember in school growing up that during Lent we
always had fish on Fridays, butI never.
I just was like what the hell?
But now it makes a lot moresense.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Yeah, yeah, I'm here to.
I'm here to educate you guys onall things Catholic, apparently
.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
Bring it on.
I just always saw it on likethe fast food signs, like the
fish sandwich, and I'm like theyalways pump the fish sandwich
around this time of year.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
On Fridays man.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
You gotta get there on Friday.
I never have it about that.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Why is it on?
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Fridays, kat, I actually don't know.
If I had to make an educatedguess, I would guess it is
because Jesus died on a Fridayand Friday is good Friday, and
then he spent three days in helland then was risen from the
dead on Sunday.
And so I think, just in honorof Jesus's sacrifice, I think we
(18:08):
don't eat meat and like to methat's a little bit of like, how
did we get from A to B?
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Well, but then it's like Jesus said right.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
And Jesus said at the last supper though like this is
the flesh of my body, this isthe blood of my body to be given
up for you, and so maybe, likethere's a correlation, I bet if
we looked in some sort of likeyou know, exegesis lexicon,
something like that, we couldfind that people correlated
eating meat with the Eucharist,with Jesus, with the Last Supper
(18:40):
and Good Friday.
That's my best educated guess.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
A very quick Google search shows yeah, abstaining
from meat on Fridays tocommemorate Jesus' crucifixion.
The no meat rule on Fridaysbecause it's not considered
warm-blooded flesh, warm-bloodedflesh like other animals, flesh
.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
So we could eat snakes.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
I'm going to have cold-blooded flesh.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
So reptiles, fish, reptiles Crust, crustaceans,
shellfish I'm going to haveshrimp on Fridays.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Okay, can we talk about, uh, unpopular opinions on
things?
Yeah, of course.
Yeah, I love an unpopularopinion.
This is not going to set wellwith a lot of people and I would
like to be clear.
This is not judgment.
This is my opinion.
This is I'm not choosing tojudge this person, but I don't
get the whole wicked thing Right, and here's what I mean.
(19:40):
I love wizard of Oz, I love theplay wicked.
What I don't get is and I sawthe movie, it was very long I
feel like Ariana Grande is stuckin her body and asking to get
out.
Does anyone else feel that way?
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Huh, well, no, and I want to hear that's a very
powerful, powerful statement.
She is stuck in her body andwants to get out.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
I watched Oscar parts of the Oscars, right, and when
I see them you know they openedthe Oscars with one of the songs
from Wicked I'm sureeverybody's yelling say what
song it is, and I'm not going to, but these giant high notes I
can't do.
It feels like we're doing likeprincess Disney or something,
(20:33):
and I feel like Ariana Grande,since Wicked, this is how she
moves, like she doesn't move herneck it's like she just moves
her body with her head maybe shehas a fur, uncle she has a fur
uncle.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
She had a fur uncle the whole time they were filming
.
Wicked, that's what it was.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
And it was right under her armpits.
It's a chronic fur uncle.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
It's right under her armpits, so she couldn't move
her body.
I don't know.
I know that everyone loveswicked, but like there's just
something that I'm like, I Idon't know it bugs me yeah, I I
don't get it and I also like I Ialways like say and, and I do
(21:21):
it to be kind of a little bitfunny, self-deprecating, funny,
like I don't get cool and solike I like to me it's like I
think all the cool people thinkWicked is like so great and I'm
just not cool.
And so I went and saw, when itfirst came out, like on Broadway
, like I went and saw it.
Um, well, after it was had beenon Broadway and then it came to
Nashville, um, I went and sawit there and and I haven't seen
(21:44):
this most recent like depictionof it, the movie.
It's the only one I saw was themovie, or I've seen, yeah, and I
haven't seen it at all, whichyou know, throw potatoes at me
or tomatoes at me or whatever.
But Whatever?
just some sort of tater.
Yeah, I just don't.
It's just not my jam, like it'snot, it's not my thing.
So I'm with you that it's like,oh, talk about it.
(22:06):
It's like, oh, talk about it.
It's like, goodness gracious, Ithink I didn't even watch the
Oscars this year.
You didn't miss anything.
Well, that's what I heard, andthen I heard the most.
To me, what was the mostdeplorable news is the winner of
Best Actress.
Hmm, who was it?
(22:28):
It was Mickey Madison for themovie Anora.
Did you guys watch this movie?
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Oh, Anora won like a.
No, I don't watch any of theOscar movies, Like I know I
should, but it's about sex.
Uh, it's about the sex trade,right, it, it it, sure it.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
it is practically like it, like it should not be
viewed by anyone under the ageof 21.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
I think that would be too hard.
And even then it waspractically pornographic, like
it was just I love seeing youlike being like a little bit of
a prude.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Totally, that was pornographic, I mean.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
I love to live in my Scorpio body.
I love to live in my my furuncle infested vulva.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Like, I'm all for it.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
I'm all for it.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
But like that how many are there?
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Like I couldn't finish it.
It really was disturbing to me.
I couldn't finish it.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
I watched the Oscars long enough to kind of see a
little bit.
And I told Sarah I was like Ijust turned it off, like I never
, I don't know, like I don'tknow, it just is never my thing.
I do like award shows but Idon't always love the Oscars.
Conan was good.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
I will say that Conan was good.
I need to go back and look atsome highlights that people said
were good.
You know, because, like Inormally do watch all the award
shows, like it's the part of thebusiness that we work in, you
know, I'm like at least I can dois be educated about that.
But it's like this year I waslike, didn't like any of the
movies, didn't like any of theactors or actresses, just not
(24:09):
into it.
And I knew that Nora was up forso many awards and I could not
fathom it.
Like I just was like whothought this movie was good.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Apparently a lot of people, a lot of people,
apparently a lot of people, orat least the people who voted,
which we know how that goes.
Well, fair enough.
Okay, I have a serious questionI want to pose on this podcast
and I really want you guys tothink about this, because I I
I've been talking to a friend ofmine and we have been kind of
challenging each other about theright response when this
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happens.
Okay, I built it up so big,here it is.
So put yourself in a situation,say, it could be as simple as
you're at a meal and your foodisn't correctly cooked, or it's
the wrong thing that you youdidn't order, that it was
something else, or something asserious as, like, you're in a
(25:08):
you're at a work meeting andsomeone says something
completely inappropriate or whoknows it could be, it could be a
million things.
But why don't we speak up inthose situations is the question
.
And I have had this seriousconversation with a good friend
of mine and we are kind ofchallenging each other to
(25:30):
practice speaking up nice like,like in moments where we'll like
we're just now trying it.
But I asked chat gpt and I wantto share what that is, but I'd
rather hear you guys share, like, like, let's go with the second
scenario.
You're in a situation, group ofpeople, and someone keeps
(25:50):
saying something or acting in away that is just straight up
inappropriate.
We generally, as people, justkeep our mouth shut and let it
just play out right, yeah, butthere are times where it's truly
offensive or it's trulyinappropriate.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Go ahead, Kat.
Yeah, I had a conversation withsomeone about this just late
last week.
I know that there's a lot ofdivided opinions about what's
going on in our world,especially politically right now
, and I read or saw somewherethat Lester Holt, who is my
favorite journalist like I lovehim so much favorite journalist,
(26:33):
like I love him so much.
Um, anyway, lester Holtannounced that I think it kind
of the end of the spring,beginning of the summer, that he
is leaving NBC news.
Like he is no longer going tobe like our evening news person,
who I watch religiously everynight, every night at five 30
central.
Um, so, um, anyway, somebodysaid he was leaving and I was
like you know that whole idea oflike if you knew you were going
to die, you know, at X time,like like, live like you were
(26:57):
dying.
You know there's a big countrysong, live like you were dying
or live like I was dying.
You know, think I would do is, Ithink the last time I had to
report the evening news and toarticulate whatever buffoonery
President Trump is doing.
(27:17):
I just wish Lester Holt wouldgo tonight in America, mr Trump
has decreed that he's going tofire everybody from everywhere
and I would just love it ifLester Holt would go.
Guys, what the fuck is going on?
Like what's going on?
And so, like I think yourquestion is like, why don't we
(27:38):
do that?
Like is it journalisticintegrity for him to just report
the news?
Yeah, you know, and it's like,well, it must be.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
And also like there's a reason why he doesn't just
have a come apart on screen andI really want him to, and so
like.
I'm kind of in this thing withyou and your friend going like
why don't we like, why don't wesay something?
Speaker 2 (28:04):
I, I don't know, I, I really didn't know, like I was
like, are we afraid of being,you know, on the other side of
someone?
Are we afraid of and here'swhat chat GPT said you guys,
which, of course, is always theplace we should go to instead of
asking our inner selves what's?
Speaker 3 (28:23):
going on, and then I want to know what your prompt
was, cause that's just asimportant.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Okay, my prompt was why is it so hard for us to say
something when someone says oracts inappropriately?
And then I said any ideas howto manage that?
That was my last part of myprompt.
Great, I love that.
Okay, here's what it said.
You guys, I'm going to sharethe screen because, kat, you can
help me read this.
All right, that's such apowerful and important question,
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moose, and one that so manypeople struggle with.
There are a few layers to whyit is so hard to speak up when
someone says or does somethinginappropriate.
Number one fear of conflict orrejection, of course.
I mean, that's the problem withall of our issues, kat.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
Yeah, it's my number one.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Yeah, yeah, it's my number one.
Yeah, yeah, me too.
Many of us were raised to avoidconfrontation, especially if we
were taught to be nice or notrock the boat.
There's often a fear thatspeaking up will make things
worse, that we'll be seen asdifficult, sensitive or
overreacting.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Especially if you're a woman.
Yeah, exactly, go ahead, kat.
Number two is the powerimbalance.
If the inappropriate commentcomes from someone in authority,
like a boss, elder familymember or someone with social
power, the risk feels higher.
In those moments we calculateis it worth it, and the fear of
consequence can silence us.
Number three shock and freezeresponse.
(29:51):
This is a nervous systemresponse that we're all familiar
with.
Sometimes the behavior is sounexpected that our brains
literally freeze.
We're processing what justhappened and by the time we're
ready to respond, the moment haspassed.
This is part of the fightflight, freeze or fawn response.
Many of us default to fawn,trying to smooth it over or
minimize discomfort.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
That is so true.
I do feel frozen sometimes,like, especially if somebody
says something that is likestraight up racist or something
Like I literally am like what doI do with my hands?
I literally don't know what todo here.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
After hearing that one, I think that's probably my
first response in this situation.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Yeah, number four cultural conditioning.
In some cultures there's a deepemphasis on respecting elders,
keeping harmony or protectinggroup image.
Speaking up can feel likebetraying those unspoken rules,
(30:54):
groups.
There's often an added layer ofbeing socialized or sorry of
being socialized to prioritizeothers comfort over their own
safety or dignity.
So then I was like, okay, Ibasically said what do I do and
can you give me some examples?
But it's really cool herebecause it basically says
prepare scripts in advance andthis is what me and my friend
were talking about is likepracticing.
It's easier to speak up ifyou've rehearsed a few responses
for those situations.
(31:15):
Examples would be that's notokay with me.
I don't find that funny.
Or can we pause for a second?
I need to say that what youjust said doesn't sit well with
me.
I like that one.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Number two take a beat.
If you freeze in the moment,that's okay, you can circle back
.
Hey, I've been thinking aboutwhat you said earlier and I need
to tell you that it didn't feelright to me.
Three use your body as a signal.
You know this one's going to bemy favorite, yep.
Sometimes even shifting yourposture, sitting up straighter,
making direct eye contact, helpsyou tap into your sense of
(31:48):
agency.
Four know your why.
If you connect to why.
Speaking up matters for you forexample, standing up for
yourself, modeling behavior foryour kids or disrupting harmful
norms it can give you courage inthe moment.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Five Moose Five practice with low-stakes
situations.
Start small.
If someone cuts in line, saysomething mildly offensive oh, I
thought they were saying to saysomething mildly offensive.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Someone cuts in line and you're supposed to say fuck
you.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
That's a great response.
Okay, if someone cuts in lineor says something mildly
offensive or interrupts, youpractice asserting yourself
there.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
It builds the muscle.
That's a good idea, yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Six have a support system.
Sometimes we don't speak upbecause we feel alone.
Knowing you have a person orgroup who will validate you
after the fact can help makespeaking up feel less scary,
yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
Huge, yeah, I.
I love number five, thepractice part, because that's
something I've been trying, likewhat we were talking about when
we first started the episode ofjust like I, whatever reason
that's not getting me out of thehouse or afraid to do the thing
, realizing other people are init in that same headspace, but
then practicing whateverpractice, responding practice,
(33:06):
not responding practice, seeingyourself, you know, and it's
like, if you, no one knowsyou're doing that, it's.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
It's like your own personal practice.
Well, I think that's whatchanges your paths in your brain
too, right, it's like oh, thistime I actually am going to
speak up, or I'm really big onthe body language.
I have noticed that I eitherfreeze, I say wow, which is
probably passive, aggressive, orI stand up and walk away Wow,
(33:32):
yeah, mainly because the energyin my body is so strong that I'm
like I need to create action.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that totally makes sense, and I
think our individual responsesare fascinating.
And I was thinking about I haveso many people in my life who
are so good at saying something.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
I know, and they're great models for us.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
They're great models and I'm like, why do I attract
these people?
And it's like it makes mewonder if it's because, like
it's a I don't want to say adeficiency, but it's something
that I am more, am more liketake it in, absorb it, process
it, think about it, make a ninepage monologue about how to deal
(34:21):
with it, and then maybe saysomething.
You know, it's like I don't, Idon't just start with like yeah,
no, I'm not okay with that.
You know, and I have so manypeople in my life who are so
good at that and and I just I, II admire them so much because
they get what they want Like 10times out of 10, I feel like
(34:42):
these people in my life that I'mthinking of, like they have an
existence that suits them quitenicely.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Well, yeah, because, honestly, part of this is
creating boundaries, so peopledon't treat honestly.
Part of this is creatingboundaries, so people don't
treat you in a way where youfeel inappropriate.
Like so many times we're likewait a minute, I just let it
slide.
I let something slide becausemaybe I took it wrong or
whatever, and it's like now.
Granted, we can be triggered bythings, and I want to be clear.
(35:12):
Back to clean pain and dirtypain that we've talked about
before, where clean pain is thefacts of things and dirty pain
are what we make it mean.
Like that's important too to beaware of, cause there are times
when people will say somethingand our shit from our past can
go oh, they're being, you knowthis way, so you do have to step
(35:33):
away.
I'm not saying we don't need toreflect, I'm just saying how do
we reflect?
And then, like they said, evencome back and say, hey, I just
want to be honest, like thatactually is offensive what you
said, or that really bothered methe way you said that, and not
to just make a point, I thinkrelational people like you cat
(35:53):
have harder time doing that.
Like I'm relational, but not tothe level I think, as are like
two, threes and fours are on theEnneagram and so, like, for me,
I'm, like I, I feel like alittle bit more, like okay, I'm,
I'm willing to take the hit ifthat messes up a relationship,
but also I freeze most of thetime.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Well, and I think what you said is really poignant
it's like I'm I'm not going tosay something quote, unquote to
preserve the relationship, whenin reality, if I want the
relationship to be safe, I needto say something.
That's right, that's absolutelyright, you know, and it's like
okay, so like I'm going to sithere and like self-soothe and
not say anything and be a peoplepleaser and be like, well,
(36:38):
maybe they went this and maybethey went that, and it's like
that's that's not really goodeither.
So I would like to join your um, your campaign, your marathon
of saying something when, whensomething needs to be said, um,
to just begin working thatmuscle.
And you know what, it's notgoing to always be pretty, it's
not going to look good, you knowit's going to be hard, and at
(37:02):
the same time, it's like we canjust go like hey, I just have to
ask for grace that I'm workingthrough how to deal with this in
my own life and and unfortunatefor you, you just said a thing
that really was inappropriate tome and I'm going to flex my
muscle and do something about itand see if I die.
And if I don't die, then maybeI'm going to have still alive.
(37:22):
Yeah, then I'm still alive andthat muscle is still being built
.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
So I love that cat.
I think let everybody listening.
Let's pay attention this weekto things that don't sit right
with us.
You don't have to say somethingright away, but reflect on
maybe next time what you coulddo to say something.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
And I think it's a really good time, moose, for you
to bring up something like this, because we are moving from one
season to another.
Right now we are moving fromthe season of winter, which is,
(38:01):
you know, characterized by dark,black or blue, cold,
hibernation, resting, quiet,dark.
It's all the yin.
Winter is very yin season andspring is a very yang season.
It's like the new young, thenew energy is rising, like all
the energy happening in theearth to help the seeds turn
into the stalk that turns intothe flower, and all the feelings
in our body of like I want toget out and do things and I want
(38:23):
to exercise and, wow, theweather's nice.
Like this past week I got adumpster that I emptied my whole
shed into and it felt like suchgood spring energy to just get
it out.
Like purge.
And spring is also associatedwith frustration and anger.
Oh good, because my anger'sbeen flying Right.
It is, it is time, it is time.
(38:43):
So, like the meteorologicalspring is March, april, may, so
we're in the meteorologicalspring right now.
March, april, may.
So we're in the meteorologicalspring right now.
The actual spring equinox Ithink it is the spring equinox
um marks the moment when the sunsits directly over the earth's
equator um as it heads northward, and that's on March, the 20th
(39:04):
of this year.
So I just want to say like yeah,if you're feeling that spring
energy rising up, think aboutways to channel that.
And maybe a way to channel thatis to go.
Hey, I'm not okay with that.
Hey, I'm gonna I'm gonnachallenge that thing you know,
and so if you feel those springenergies rising up, check them
(39:25):
and then also go like I'm gonna,I'm gonna burst into a, I'm
going to turn into a tulip.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
I love it.
I love a tulip, by the way, Metoo.
Sarah was just pointing out allthe little blooms that are
coming up on a.
Is it a lilac plant?
You know our little lilac bushout there.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
Every year it's getting like bigger, you know,
more prominent and like.
Not only do I see little leavescoming out, but I see little
blooms about like everywhere,which I've maybe only seen like
30 little blooms and I think thewhole thing is going to go
crazy this year.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
Well, I was so excited when I think you talked
about it last week or the weekbefore that you were a little
bit worried about it blooming soearly.
Yeah, because there's always.
You know, come the end of Marchthere's like it's going to be
12 degrees outside, you know,and I just hope that that gives
your lilac even more springenergy to just I hope so too.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
I just want to say I feel like Kat needs to give us a
weekly devotional, like youjust gave us, with all that
energy, yeah, about the, theenergy, yeah, uh, about the the
seasons.
Okay, like, give us a littlesomething that we could take
with us every single week, causeI love that, like that.
I believe that nature is areflection of us and vice versa.
(40:46):
I feel like we are a reflectionof nature is what I'm trying to
say, and so I love recognizing.
I don't always think of thatlike oh, but I do know that, um,
daylight savings time is goingto be over in a week and I am so
happy about that.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Oh, I am so thrilled I can finally start driving at
night again.
Like I, I really I hate drivingat night because of my, my
vision challenges, my visionspecialness, um, specialization
yes, my specialization,certification of vision, Um, and
I was thinking the other day Iwas like I can go out and do
nighttime things and drive homeat nine o'clock and still be in
(41:21):
the daylight.
Like I'm so excited.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
So excited I am too.
I can't even wait.
I have been laying in, uh, myhammock outside in the sunshine
when it's been like 60 plus, andjust like listening to Sarah
Blondin meditations, and I amjust taking in the spring
because I can feel it coming,it's going to be good.
Speaker 3 (41:44):
It's going to be real good.
I've got a great Mardi Grassong to take us out.
Oh, take us.
I tried to look it up.
You know that it's called AikoAiko, aiko, aiko, aiko, aiko.
Oh yeah, I don't know what itmeans.
Nobody knows what it means, butit's a good one.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
Hey, did you ask Chad GPT?
Speaker 3 (42:00):
I didn't get that far .
Speaker 2 (42:02):
Okay, it says what a fun, infectious song.
The basics it comes out of NewOrleans culture, specifically
rooted in Mardi Gras Indiantradition.
The song was very popularizedin 1953 by a group called Sugar
Boy and His Cane Cutters underthe title Giacomo oh, it means
(43:11):
here we go, let's do this, thankyou.
Special thanks to our producer,sarah Reed.
To find out more more go tocatandmoosepodcastcom.
Cat and Moose is a BPproduction.
Welcome to the Cat and Moose podcast.
I'm Cat.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
And I'm Moose.
This is a true life podcastwhere we explore the quirks of
being human.
What?
Speaker 3 (00:16):
did you just say Sarah?
I said I need a haircut becausemy hair looks like a wig.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
I mean that's kind of cool.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
to be honest, though, no one's disagreeing, so I know
.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
I, I, I just I actually do completely disagree,
because I think your hair looksgreat.
I love when your hair gets bigand wild, so I I kind of am like
I'm just watching you like workout your own judgment about
your hair.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
God don't?
We all have a bunch?
Speaker 3 (00:44):
We were talking about that yesterday on a walk, how,
like, we all deal with some formof it.
Right, it's the thing thatkeeps us from leaving the house,
the thing that the hill we haveto climb over to get out and,
like, go be in public and beseen, whatever that is for you,
like, we all experience it and Ijust am here to tell you.
Everyone else experiences thatand they're not thinking what
(01:06):
you think.
They're thinking about it's100% thinking about their own
shit, yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
I forget that.
I think I'm the only one thathas like stress.
But she asked me to go for awalk yesterday and I said my
answer is always no to anything.
First in case you don't knowthat about me, I think I do that
.
Yeah, like the answer is no,and then I can be talked into
things.
But I said no, but I had aellipses at the end of it.
(01:36):
You know she could feel thatand she was like why?
And I said cause my pants arecovered in dog hair.
And she was like nobody isgetting close enough to you.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
No, one, and when I?
Speaker 2 (01:45):
say covered, I mean covered and and I.
So that wasn't an excuse and Isaid, plus, we're walking with
two white dogs.
Right, right, it's going to geton black pants, sorry.
Anyway.
I did it, I walked, and youknow what I was better for it.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Oh God, all right.
Hey Kat, hey Moose, hey Sarah,hello friends, hello.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Hello, welcome to the Kat and Moose podcast.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Welcome to the Kat and Moose hardcast.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Porncast, porncast.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
You know this one is.
I know we always have theexplicit little thing by our
podcast which makes me thinklike, oh my gosh, I can't
believe my mom and my sisterlistened to this.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
But then I'm like last week's episode was called
slipping a pinky Right, right,right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
So this.
I'm just saying this week isreally going to be a little bit
more worthy of that explicitcontent badge and so I'm just
giving everybody a heads up.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Um, I just wow.
I think we need to dive rightin I'm very excited talk to us
cat.
Well, I'm wondering if eitherof you have ever experienced a
fur, uncle, a fur uncle a furuncle for uncle mean, I'm
guessing that would be if my mom, if what is it?
(03:11):
Is it a pet?
Speaker 1 (03:15):
from a relative.
I'm curious this is thequestion I actually wanted to
ask is when I say the word furuncle, what do you think?
Speaker 2 (03:24):
I immediately go to furry.
Do you know what furries are?
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Yeah, you go to like a furry, like fur baby.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
No, like a furry.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
A furry Okay.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Like you, remember the people who dress in mascot
outfits and they hook up.
Oh, they meet each other atconventions.
Wait, they hook up.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
I don't know anything about that.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Yes, we've talked about it.
This is the problem.
We have.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
I have photos.
I saw it in Australia.
I immediately thought of alegitimately furry human.
That's your uncle.
Like yes, like a with a disease, like where they've got that
syndrome, where they just growhair everywhere Like an ape.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
That's what I pictured.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
A disease where they grow hair everywhere.
That's called a human.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
It's probably not right to say disease.
It's probably a syndrome or athing.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
It's not quite a disease, it's a syndrome.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
It's a fur syndrome.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Fur uncle syndrome Exactly, it's a fur syndrome.
Fur uncle syndrome Exactly,it's a fur syndrome that your
uncle has.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
I went to furry first and then I went to, like, if my
sister had a dog, is that myuncle?
Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Like I was trying to figurethat out, but that got too
complicated.
If your sister's dog was, herdad.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
that would make him your uncle too complicated.
If your sister's dog was herdad, that would make him your
uncle, yeah that would make thedog my dad as well.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
So it's like a family tree thing.
I don't know.
Clearly, I don't know, I don'tknow.
We obviously don't know.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
I'm curious for those of you listening and willing to
send us an email at hello atcat and moose podcast dot com.
I would be curious what yourimmediate thoughts were when I
said do you know what a furuncle is Like?
I'm just really curious becauseI thought it was the strangest
word for what this thing is.
Middle english word um fromlatin for nucleus, literally
(05:25):
meaning petty thief and alsomeaning knob on a vine, regarded
as stealing the sap from thevine.
So the thief is the petty thieffrom stealing the sap from the
vine.
Okay, that's got it.
That's the origin of the word.
The actual definition of theword is a painful pus filled
(05:47):
bump that forms under your skinwhen bacteria infect and inflame
one or more of your hairfollicles.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
I have had this, it's a fur uncle.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
It's called a fur uncle, a fur uncle, so an
ingrown hair.
Yes, you have an ingrown hair.
It is an infected ingrown hair.
Yes, wow, and I told my this iswhere it's going to get fun.
I was at the doctor today.
I had a what I'm going to callan urgent doctor's appointment
with my OBGYN.
Oh shoot, and I have.
(06:24):
I asked her, I know where thisis going.
I think she said she said howcan I help you today?
And I said well, dr, fill inthe blank.
I said I have a fur uncle on myvulva.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Oh my God, I mean that took me a second.
Well, allow, oh my gosh, KatDavis.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
And that that is the procedure that I just went
through, like an hour and a halfago, patrons, you got your
money, holy shit.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Holy.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
McNally, wow In the sky.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
I think that this is what they call big T trauma.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Oh my God For you and us now.
Yes, thank you.
Especially you but as areverberated through us now and
the listeners they haven't evenseen it.
Can you describe?
Do you need to?
Speaker 2 (07:20):
No, because they know what it is.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Everyone has had this before no, they know what it is
.
And I I asked my doctor, I saidshe goes, I don't know what
that word is.
And she goes.
And I don't know where youfound that word.
And I'm like well, I looked upskin boil and medical term for
skin boil and it came up furuncle and I was like no, like
(07:44):
that's not, that's not that.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
No, you said I have a thief on my vulva.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
I do I have a thief on my vulva.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
In other words, and I've never thought of my vulva
as being something that anyonewould want to steal.
For uncle it is.
Here's what's crazy.
This week I was fed this onTikTok and I have the action.
It's so weird that this happensto us.
(08:17):
I have no idea you were goingto share this.
I'm going to read it.
It says, when I tell mypatients with boils in their
armpits, breasts, buttocks orgroin that this could be a
chronic inflammatory conditionknown as hydrodentis superativa,
(08:37):
Hypergenitis, that hormones andgenetics play a role and you
need to cleanse it with benzoylperoxide or hyba cleanse.
I've never heard of thosethings before.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Yeah, so weird it is, guys clean your groins.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Well, the thing is, is that like, or you're going to
end up?
Speaker 3 (08:57):
like cat.
Have you been cleaning?
Oh, oh, I have a pimple behindmy earlobe.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Okay, guys, this is not who we are.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Today and she said you didn't clean behind your
ears.
And I have never needed toclean behind my ears as much as
I think I do now because I havea pimple behind my ear Guys.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
It's hormonal.
This is not about cleaning yourgroins.
I promise that was your groin.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
And the thing is is that, like the whole way home
from the doctor's appointment, Ijust sobbed.
I just sobbed.
I hear that and I was like Inpain, I don't even know.
I mean obviously some kind ofdiscomfort, yeah.
And so I asked myself self whyare you crying right now,
(09:49):
without judgment, Like?
It's okay that you're crying.
Like why?
What's going on?
Like, why are you crying?
And one of the things that Ihave learned about myself in
this season of life is that Iget really angry or really upset
when I feel dumb or when I feelembarrassed.
Yeah me too, and so I justthought how do I feel about this
(10:12):
?
And I feel embarrassed becauseI basically feel like my doctor
said you don't wash your hooch,I think it's a cooch not a hooch
, I know, I know.
But for some people in my lifethey will think that's very
funny, and so anyway and shenever said that to me she never
said you know, how is yourhygiene, or anything like that.
(10:34):
She was like oh, this is verycommon and I had to get shots.
I had to get numbing shots, Ihad to get some, and then, like,
when I left, it looked likethere was a blood bath left
behind.
It was horrible.
It was horrible.
I'm so sorry.
I'm sorry too, and I don't.
Is this OK content?
(10:55):
Yeah, it's OK, because I'mgoing to share.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
When something like this happened to me OK, get
ready everyone.
Similar situation, not on mylabia majora or vulva, but on
the inside of my upper thigh.
I was camping in virginia beachand it was a boil and I was
(11:18):
washing, just so everyone knows.
I was still washing, but it gotso.
It got so bad that I had tocall my doctor in Nashville and
say I have no, I, but I felt thesame embarrassment.
I was like I have no idea whatto do about this.
I am in so much pain.
Like mine was so painful whereit was yes, and I she was like
(11:43):
okay, like I want you to sit ina bath and like you know what I
mean.
Like oh yeah, epsom salt orwhatever, which I know you hate
baths, but I did, hey, I took abath last night for like two
hours like just running the hotwater and like just going, like
rise to the surface.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
You demon from the pit, yeah like burn it off yeah,
burn it, burn it out, rise.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Uncle Rise.
So while we were camping I waslike I'm going to get a hotel
room just to like, even though Idon't want to sit in a hotel
bath normally.
I didn't have that in thecamper.
And so I get a hotel room.
I check in, I'm like, ok, atleast I'll have some comfort by
doing this.
I get in there and those mofosput me in a shower only room.
(12:26):
I go back down and they go.
We don't have any rooms withbathtubs.
Oh, my word and I was like okay, screw this, I'm not doing this
.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Anyway, there's a thing called a sits bath have
you heard of this, oh, yes.
I didn't know what that was,and so it's basically one of
those hats that you poop in whenyou get old and have to have
your poop checked.
Wow guys, it's like one ofthose.
Then you put hot water in it,so I had to do that in the
camper, but it was awful.
Welcome to the cat and moosepodcast.
Yes, we talk about our boils.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Yes, we talk about our baby and let me ask you
moose, did it resolve on its?
Speaker 2 (12:59):
own.
No, she called in an antibiotic.
It was.
It's that bacteria, bacteriait's called bacteria yeah, back,
drum back drum.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Yeah, yeah, that's like a heavy within two days.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
It was like a million times better, but oh boy that
is not fun.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
Listen, I'm sure we're not alone.
I think we're just willing totalk about it, and I think a lot
of people deal with this onvarious parts of their body
sucks well, I and from what mydoctor said, she's like this is
very common.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
I see this all the time.
This is no big deal and I'mlike I'll tell you what a big
deal is.
Yes, listen to me I'm not gonnahave you tell me that this is
not a big deal, like I'm in somuch discomfort and so much pain
and so much like embarrassmentand like I have to drive this
way, I have to walk this way,like I have to function.
(13:53):
Oh my gosh, like I'm so sorryand it's it's just one of those
things that I was like.
This is, if not anything else,hilarious like this is like yeah
it's real life, baby.
It is.
It's real life and I would loveto hear from all of our boil
sufferers please write in pleaseif you're listening going, this
(14:15):
is disgusting.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
We agree, we know you're gonna get one in a week
if you don't listen through thatwhole thing I think you're kind
of casting spells.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
There moose are, are you a witch?
A little voodoo.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Hey, it is.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Mardi.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Gras, that's what I am now it is Mardi Gras.
Oh yeah, well, they do likevoodoo, they do In Louisiana.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
So Mardi Gras means that we're leading into Lent,
which means that some peoplehave a practice during Lent of
giving something up.
Are you one of those people?
Well, I, my mom, said um, today.
She said what she was giving upfor Lent and it was kind of
tongue in cheek and I'm notgoing to say it on the podcast
just to protect her privacy.
But I wrote back and I said I'mconsidering giving up, worrying
(14:56):
.
And she wrote back and she said.
She said I hope we both last atleast a day.
So I don't know, I don't knowif I'm planning on giving
anything up.
I thought about taking socialmedia off of my phone, but I
don't really look at socialmedia very much anyway, yeah, Um
, and so I?
I really don't know.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Yeah, you can't pick something easy if you're going
to actually go for it.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Yeah, and it's like the.
The goal is not necessarily forit to be hard, as much as it is
to say I am going to replacethe time that I spend doing X,
you know, social media, whateverit is with being contemplative
and communing with the Lord.
Like that's like what the wholeidea of like giving up
(15:40):
something for Lent is, and Iwant to commune more with the
Lord, like I feel like I'm avery spiritual person and blah,
blah, blah.
So like I'm up for that, but Idon't really know what my thing
to let go of needs to be quiteyet, and I've got about six
hours to decide.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Oh, it starts tomorrow.
Oh, it starts tonight.
Yeah, it starts tonight, oh, atmidnight.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Yeah, fat Tuesday, mardi Gras is the day before Ash
Wednesday, that starts thebeginning of Lent.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Lord, I have never put all of that together, Me
either but I did not know thateither.
But I was listening to some NewOrleans music yesterday.
I've got a great playlist tosend y'all.
It's so good.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Maybe you could play us out with something.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Okay, I have a question about this, because is
this the same time of year thatpeople who are doing Lent start
or start eating more fish?
Is there like I feel likethat's a thing and like fast
food restaurants suddenly arelike our fish sandwich, our fish
sandwich on Fridays, yeah, yeah, fridays are typically like
Catholic fundraiser fish fries,because you're not supposed to
(16:41):
eat meat, um, on Fridays duringLent.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
So there, I think there's four Fridays during Lent
, it's the 40 days leading up toEaster, and and Jesus, from
what the Bible says, fasted andprayed for 40 days, and so it's
like well, he went without.
So we mimic that in some way,so we go quote unquote, without
meat, and I guess that meansmeat from like the land.
I guess so, because in myCatholic tradition of growing up
(17:09):
like, it was always like well,you can only have fish on
Fridays, and I'm like or youcould just be a vegetarian and
not worry about it.
That's no fun, I never knewthat.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
I remember in school growing up that during Lent we
always had fish on Fridays, butI never.
I just was like what the hell?
But now it makes a lot moresense.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Yeah, yeah, I'm here to.
I'm here to educate you guys onall things Catholic, apparently
.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
Bring it on.
I just always saw it on likethe fast food signs, like the
fish sandwich, and I'm like theyalways pump the fish sandwich
around this time of year.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
On Fridays man.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
You gotta get there on Friday.
I never have it about that.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Why is it on?
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Fridays, kat, I actually don't know.
If I had to make an educatedguess, I would guess it is
because Jesus died on a Fridayand Friday is good Friday, and
then he spent three days in helland then was risen from the
dead on Sunday.
And so I think, just in honorof Jesus's sacrifice, I think we
(18:08):
don't eat meat and like to methat's a little bit of like, how
did we get from A to B?
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Well, but then it's like Jesus said right.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
And Jesus said at the last supper though like this is
the flesh of my body, this isthe blood of my body to be given
up for you, and so maybe, likethere's a correlation, I bet if
we looked in some sort of likeyou know, exegesis lexicon,
something like that, we couldfind that people correlated
eating meat with the Eucharist,with Jesus, with the Last Supper
(18:40):
and Good Friday.
That's my best educated guess.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
A very quick Google search shows yeah, abstaining
from meat on Fridays tocommemorate Jesus' crucifixion.
The no meat rule on Fridaysbecause it's not considered
warm-blooded flesh, warm-bloodedflesh like other animals, flesh
.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
So we could eat snakes.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
I'm going to have cold-blooded flesh.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
So reptiles, fish, reptiles Crust, crustaceans,
shellfish I'm going to haveshrimp on Fridays.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Okay, can we talk about, uh, unpopular opinions on
things?
Yeah, of course.
Yeah, I love an unpopularopinion.
This is not going to set wellwith a lot of people and I would
like to be clear.
This is not judgment.
This is my opinion.
This is I'm not choosing tojudge this person, but I don't
get the whole wicked thing Right, and here's what I mean.
(19:40):
I love wizard of Oz, I love theplay wicked.
What I don't get is and I sawthe movie, it was very long I
feel like Ariana Grande is stuckin her body and asking to get
out.
Does anyone else feel that way?
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Huh, well, no, and I want to hear that's a very
powerful, powerful statement.
She is stuck in her body andwants to get out.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
I watched Oscar parts of the Oscars, right, and when
I see them you know they openedthe Oscars with one of the songs
from Wicked I'm sureeverybody's yelling say what
song it is, and I'm not going to, but these giant high notes I
can't do.
It feels like we're doing likeprincess Disney or something,
(20:33):
and I feel like Ariana Grande,since Wicked, this is how she
moves, like she doesn't move herneck it's like she just moves
her body with her head maybe shehas a fur, uncle she has a fur
uncle.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
She had a fur uncle the whole time they were filming
.
Wicked, that's what it was.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
And it was right under her armpits.
It's a chronic fur uncle.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
It's right under her armpits, so she couldn't move
her body.
I don't know.
I know that everyone loveswicked, but like there's just
something that I'm like, I Idon't know it bugs me yeah, I I
don't get it and I also like I Ialways like say and, and I do
(21:21):
it to be kind of a little bitfunny, self-deprecating, funny,
like I don't get cool and solike I like to me it's like I
think all the cool people thinkWicked is like so great and I'm
just not cool.
And so I went and saw, when itfirst came out, like on Broadway
, like I went and saw it.
Um, well, after it was had beenon Broadway and then it came to
Nashville, um, I went and sawit there and and I haven't seen
(21:44):
this most recent like depictionof it, the movie.
It's the only one I saw was themovie, or I've seen, yeah, and I
haven't seen it at all, whichyou know, throw potatoes at me
or tomatoes at me or whatever.
But Whatever?
just some sort of tater.
Yeah, I just don't.
It's just not my jam, like it'snot, it's not my thing.
So I'm with you that it's like,oh, talk about it.
(22:06):
It's like, oh, talk about it.
It's like, goodness gracious, Ithink I didn't even watch the
Oscars this year.
You didn't miss anything.
Well, that's what I heard, andthen I heard the most.
To me, what was the mostdeplorable news is the winner of
Best Actress.
Hmm, who was it?
(22:28):
It was Mickey Madison for themovie Anora.
Did you guys watch this movie?
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Oh, Anora won like a.
No, I don't watch any of theOscar movies, Like I know I
should, but it's about sex.
Uh, it's about the sex trade,right, it, it it, sure it.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
it is practically like it, like it should not be
viewed by anyone under the ageof 21.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
I think that would be too hard.
And even then it waspractically pornographic, like
it was just I love seeing youlike being like a little bit of
a prude.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Totally, that was pornographic, I mean.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
I love to live in my Scorpio body.
I love to live in my my furuncle infested vulva.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Like, I'm all for it.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
I'm all for it.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
But like that how many are there?
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Like I couldn't finish it.
It really was disturbing to me.
I couldn't finish it.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
I watched the Oscars long enough to kind of see a
little bit.
And I told Sarah I was like Ijust turned it off, like I never
, I don't know, like I don'tknow, it just is never my thing.
I do like award shows but Idon't always love the Oscars.
Conan was good.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
I will say that Conan was good.
I need to go back and look atsome highlights that people said
were good.
You know, because, like Inormally do watch all the award
shows, like it's the part of thebusiness that we work in, you
know, I'm like at least I can dois be educated about that.
But it's like this year I waslike, didn't like any of the
movies, didn't like any of theactors or actresses, just not
(24:09):
into it.
And I knew that Nora was up forso many awards and I could not
fathom it.
Like I just was like whothought this movie was good.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Apparently a lot of people, a lot of people,
apparently a lot of people, orat least the people who voted,
which we know how that goes.
Well, fair enough.
Okay, I have a serious questionI want to pose on this podcast
and I really want you guys tothink about this, because I I
I've been talking to a friend ofmine and we have been kind of
challenging each other about theright response when this
(24:46):
happens.
Okay, I built it up so big,here it is.
So put yourself in a situation,say, it could be as simple as
you're at a meal and your foodisn't correctly cooked, or it's
the wrong thing that you youdidn't order, that it was
something else, or something asserious as, like, you're in a
(25:08):
you're at a work meeting andsomeone says something
completely inappropriate or whoknows it could be, it could be a
million things.
But why don't we speak up inthose situations is the question
.
And I have had this seriousconversation with a good friend
of mine and we are kind ofchallenging each other to
(25:30):
practice speaking up nice like,like in moments where we'll like
we're just now trying it.
But I asked chat gpt and I wantto share what that is, but I'd
rather hear you guys share, like, like, let's go with the second
scenario.
You're in a situation, group ofpeople, and someone keeps
(25:50):
saying something or acting in away that is just straight up
inappropriate.
We generally, as people, justkeep our mouth shut and let it
just play out right, yeah, butthere are times where it's truly
offensive or it's trulyinappropriate.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Go ahead, Kat.
Yeah, I had a conversation withsomeone about this just late
last week.
I know that there's a lot ofdivided opinions about what's
going on in our world,especially politically right now
, and I read or saw somewherethat Lester Holt, who is my
favorite journalist like I lovehim so much favorite journalist,
(26:33):
like I love him so much.
Um, anyway, lester Holtannounced that I think it kind
of the end of the spring,beginning of the summer, that he
is leaving NBC news.
Like he is no longer going tobe like our evening news person,
who I watch religiously everynight, every night at five 30
central.
Um, so, um, anyway, somebodysaid he was leaving and I was
like you know that whole idea oflike if you knew you were going
to die, you know, at X time,like like, live like you were
(26:57):
dying.
You know there's a big countrysong, live like you were dying
or live like I was dying.
You know, think I would do is, Ithink the last time I had to
report the evening news and toarticulate whatever buffoonery
President Trump is doing.
(27:17):
I just wish Lester Holt wouldgo tonight in America, mr Trump
has decreed that he's going tofire everybody from everywhere
and I would just love it ifLester Holt would go.
Guys, what the fuck is going on?
Like what's going on?
And so, like I think yourquestion is like, why don't we
(27:38):
do that?
Like is it journalisticintegrity for him to just report
the news?
Yeah, you know, and it's like,well, it must be.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
And also like there's a reason why he doesn't just
have a come apart on screen andI really want him to, and so
like.
I'm kind of in this thing withyou and your friend going like
why don't we like, why don't wesay something?
Speaker 2 (28:04):
I, I don't know, I, I really didn't know, like I was
like, are we afraid of being,you know, on the other side of
someone?
Are we afraid of and here'swhat chat GPT said you guys,
which, of course, is always theplace we should go to instead of
asking our inner selves what's?
Speaker 3 (28:23):
going on, and then I want to know what your prompt
was, cause that's just asimportant.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Okay, my prompt was why is it so hard for us to say
something when someone says oracts inappropriately?
And then I said any ideas howto manage that?
That was my last part of myprompt.
Great, I love that.
Okay, here's what it said.
You guys, I'm going to sharethe screen because, kat, you can
help me read this.
All right, that's such apowerful and important question,
(28:54):
moose, and one that so manypeople struggle with.
There are a few layers to whyit is so hard to speak up when
someone says or does somethinginappropriate.
Number one fear of conflict orrejection, of course.
I mean, that's the problem withall of our issues, kat.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
Yeah, it's my number one.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Yeah, yeah, it's my number one.
Yeah, yeah, me too.
Many of us were raised to avoidconfrontation, especially if we
were taught to be nice or notrock the boat.
There's often a fear thatspeaking up will make things
worse, that we'll be seen asdifficult, sensitive or
overreacting.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Especially if you're a woman.
Yeah, exactly, go ahead, kat.
Number two is the powerimbalance.
If the inappropriate commentcomes from someone in authority,
like a boss, elder familymember or someone with social
power, the risk feels higher.
In those moments we calculateis it worth it, and the fear of
consequence can silence us.
Number three shock and freezeresponse.
(29:51):
This is a nervous systemresponse that we're all familiar
with.
Sometimes the behavior is sounexpected that our brains
literally freeze.
We're processing what justhappened and by the time we're
ready to respond, the moment haspassed.
This is part of the fightflight, freeze or fawn response.
Many of us default to fawn,trying to smooth it over or
minimize discomfort.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
That is so true.
I do feel frozen sometimes,like, especially if somebody
says something that is likestraight up racist or something
Like I literally am like what doI do with my hands?
I literally don't know what todo here.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
After hearing that one, I think that's probably my
first response in this situation.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Yeah, number four cultural conditioning.
In some cultures there's a deepemphasis on respecting elders,
keeping harmony or protectinggroup image.
Speaking up can feel likebetraying those unspoken rules,
(30:54):
groups.
There's often an added layer ofbeing socialized or sorry of
being socialized to prioritizeothers comfort over their own
safety or dignity.
So then I was like, okay, Ibasically said what do I do and
can you give me some examples?
But it's really cool herebecause it basically says
prepare scripts in advance andthis is what me and my friend
were talking about is likepracticing.
It's easier to speak up ifyou've rehearsed a few responses
for those situations.
(31:15):
Examples would be that's notokay with me.
I don't find that funny.
Or can we pause for a second?
I need to say that what youjust said doesn't sit well with
me.
I like that one.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Number two take a beat.
If you freeze in the moment,that's okay, you can circle back
.
Hey, I've been thinking aboutwhat you said earlier and I need
to tell you that it didn't feelright to me.
Three use your body as a signal.
You know this one's going to bemy favorite, yep.
Sometimes even shifting yourposture, sitting up straighter,
making direct eye contact, helpsyou tap into your sense of
(31:48):
agency.
Four know your why.
If you connect to why.
Speaking up matters for you forexample, standing up for
yourself, modeling behavior foryour kids or disrupting harmful
norms it can give you courage inthe moment.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Five Moose Five practice with low-stakes
situations.
Start small.
If someone cuts in line, saysomething mildly offensive oh, I
thought they were saying to saysomething mildly offensive.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Someone cuts in line and you're supposed to say fuck
you.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
That's a great response.
Okay, if someone cuts in lineor says something mildly
offensive or interrupts, youpractice asserting yourself
there.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
It builds the muscle.
That's a good idea, yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Six have a support system.
Sometimes we don't speak upbecause we feel alone.
Knowing you have a person orgroup who will validate you
after the fact can help makespeaking up feel less scary,
yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
Huge, yeah, I.
I love number five, thepractice part, because that's
something I've been trying, likewhat we were talking about when
we first started the episode ofjust like I, whatever reason
that's not getting me out of thehouse or afraid to do the thing
, realizing other people are init in that same headspace, but
then practicing whateverpractice, responding practice,
(33:06):
not responding practice, seeingyourself, you know, and it's
like, if you, no one knowsyou're doing that, it's.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
It's like your own personal practice.
Well, I think that's whatchanges your paths in your brain
too, right, it's like oh, thistime I actually am going to
speak up, or I'm really big onthe body language.
I have noticed that I eitherfreeze, I say wow, which is
probably passive, aggressive, orI stand up and walk away Wow,
(33:32):
yeah, mainly because the energyin my body is so strong that I'm
like I need to create action.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that totally makes sense, and I
think our individual responsesare fascinating.
And I was thinking about I haveso many people in my life who
are so good at saying something.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
I know, and they're great models for us.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
They're great models and I'm like, why do I attract
these people?
And it's like it makes mewonder if it's because, like
it's a I don't want to say adeficiency, but it's something
that I am more, am more liketake it in, absorb it, process
it, think about it, make a ninepage monologue about how to deal
(34:21):
with it, and then maybe saysomething.
You know, it's like I don't, Idon't just start with like yeah,
no, I'm not okay with that.
You know, and I have so manypeople in my life who are so
good at that and and I just I, II admire them so much because
they get what they want Like 10times out of 10, I feel like
(34:42):
these people in my life that I'mthinking of, like they have an
existence that suits them quitenicely.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Well, yeah, because, honestly, part of this is
creating boundaries, so peopledon't treat honestly.
Part of this is creatingboundaries, so people don't
treat you in a way where youfeel inappropriate.
Like so many times we're likewait a minute, I just let it
slide.
I let something slide becausemaybe I took it wrong or
whatever, and it's like now.
Granted, we can be triggered bythings, and I want to be clear.
(35:12):
Back to clean pain and dirtypain that we've talked about
before, where clean pain is thefacts of things and dirty pain
are what we make it mean.
Like that's important too to beaware of, cause there are times
when people will say somethingand our shit from our past can
go oh, they're being, you knowthis way, so you do have to step
(35:33):
away.
I'm not saying we don't need toreflect, I'm just saying how do
we reflect?
And then, like they said, evencome back and say, hey, I just
want to be honest, like thatactually is offensive what you
said, or that really bothered methe way you said that, and not
to just make a point, I thinkrelational people like you cat
(35:53):
have harder time doing that.
Like I'm relational, but not tothe level I think, as are like
two, threes and fours are on theEnneagram and so, like, for me,
I'm, like I, I feel like alittle bit more, like okay, I'm,
I'm willing to take the hit ifthat messes up a relationship,
but also I freeze most of thetime.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Well, and I think what you said is really poignant
it's like I'm I'm not going tosay something quote, unquote to
preserve the relationship, whenin reality, if I want the
relationship to be safe, I needto say something.
That's right, that's absolutelyright, you know, and it's like
okay, so like I'm going to sithere and like self-soothe and
not say anything and be a peoplepleaser and be like, well,
(36:38):
maybe they went this and maybethey went that, and it's like
that's that's not really goodeither.
So I would like to join your um, your campaign, your marathon
of saying something when, whensomething needs to be said, um,
to just begin working thatmuscle.
And you know what, it's notgoing to always be pretty, it's
not going to look good, you knowit's going to be hard, and at
(37:02):
the same time, it's like we canjust go like hey, I just have to
ask for grace that I'm workingthrough how to deal with this in
my own life and and unfortunatefor you, you just said a thing
that really was inappropriate tome and I'm going to flex my
muscle and do something about itand see if I die.
And if I don't die, then maybeI'm going to have still alive.
(37:22):
Yeah, then I'm still alive andthat muscle is still being built
.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
So I love that cat.
I think let everybody listening.
Let's pay attention this weekto things that don't sit right
with us.
You don't have to say somethingright away, but reflect on
maybe next time what you coulddo to say something.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
And I think it's a really good time, moose, for you
to bring up something like this, because we are moving from one
season to another.
Right now we are moving fromthe season of winter, which is,
(38:01):
you know, characterized by dark,black or blue, cold,
hibernation, resting, quiet,dark.
It's all the yin.
Winter is very yin season andspring is a very yang season.
It's like the new young, thenew energy is rising, like all
the energy happening in theearth to help the seeds turn
into the stalk that turns intothe flower, and all the feelings
in our body of like I want toget out and do things and I want
(38:23):
to exercise and, wow, theweather's nice.
Like this past week I got adumpster that I emptied my whole
shed into and it felt like suchgood spring energy to just get
it out.
Like purge.
And spring is also associatedwith frustration and anger.
Oh good, because my anger'sbeen flying Right.
It is, it is time, it is time.
(38:43):
So, like the meteorologicalspring is March, april, may, so
we're in the meteorologicalspring right now.
March, april, may.
So we're in the meteorologicalspring right now.
The actual spring equinox Ithink it is the spring equinox
um marks the moment when the sunsits directly over the earth's
equator um as it heads northward, and that's on March, the 20th
(39:04):
of this year.
So I just want to say like yeah,if you're feeling that spring
energy rising up, think aboutways to channel that.
And maybe a way to channel thatis to go.
Hey, I'm not okay with that.
Hey, I'm gonna I'm gonnachallenge that thing you know,
and so if you feel those springenergies rising up, check them
(39:25):
and then also go like I'm gonna,I'm gonna burst into a, I'm
going to turn into a tulip.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
I love it.
I love a tulip, by the way, Metoo.
Sarah was just pointing out allthe little blooms that are
coming up on a.
Is it a lilac plant?
You know our little lilac bushout there.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
Every year it's getting like bigger, you know,
more prominent and like.
Not only do I see little leavescoming out, but I see little
blooms about like everywhere,which I've maybe only seen like
30 little blooms and I think thewhole thing is going to go
crazy this year.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
Well, I was so excited when I think you talked
about it last week or the weekbefore that you were a little
bit worried about it blooming soearly.
Yeah, because there's always.
You know, come the end of Marchthere's like it's going to be
12 degrees outside, you know,and I just hope that that gives
your lilac even more springenergy to just I hope so too.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
I just want to say I feel like Kat needs to give us a
weekly devotional, like youjust gave us, with all that
energy, yeah, about the, theenergy, yeah, uh, about the the
seasons.
Okay, like, give us a littlesomething that we could take
with us every single week, causeI love that, like that.
I believe that nature is areflection of us and vice versa.
(40:46):
I feel like we are a reflectionof nature is what I'm trying to
say, and so I love recognizing.
I don't always think of thatlike oh, but I do know that, um,
daylight savings time is goingto be over in a week and I am so
happy about that.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Oh, I am so thrilled I can finally start driving at
night again.
Like I, I really I hate drivingat night because of my, my
vision challenges, my visionspecialness, um, specialization
yes, my specialization,certification of vision, Um, and
I was thinking the other day Iwas like I can go out and do
nighttime things and drive homeat nine o'clock and still be in
(41:21):
the daylight.
Like I'm so excited.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
So excited I am too.
I can't even wait.
I have been laying in, uh, myhammock outside in the sunshine
when it's been like 60 plus, andjust like listening to Sarah
Blondin meditations, and I amjust taking in the spring
because I can feel it coming,it's going to be good.
Speaker 3 (41:44):
It's going to be real good.
I've got a great Mardi Grassong to take us out.
Oh, take us.
I tried to look it up.
You know that it's called AikoAiko, aiko, aiko, aiko, aiko.
Oh yeah, I don't know what itmeans.
Nobody knows what it means, butit's a good one.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
Hey, did you ask Chad GPT?
Speaker 3 (42:00):
I didn't get that far .
Speaker 2 (42:02):
Okay, it says what a fun, infectious song.
The basics it comes out of NewOrleans culture, specifically
rooted in Mardi Gras Indiantradition.
The song was very popularizedin 1953 by a group called Sugar
Boy and His Cane Cutters underthe title Giacomo oh, it means
(43:11):
here we go, let's do this, thankyou.
Special thanks to our producer,sarah Reed.
To find out more more go tocatandmoosepodcastcom.
Cat and Moose is a BPproduction.
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