January 31, 2025 • 40 mins
Imagine being a juror on a high-profile murder trial, immersed in the legal drama while carrying the weight of justice on your shoulders. We welcome Producer Sara back after recently serving on a murder trial in Chattanooga, Tennessee. She shares her compelling experience and about her new podcast, "SEQUESTERED," which offers a gripping, firsthand look at the trial and the profound impact it had on her. With Moose's help, Sara sheds light on the trial, and invites you to explore the intense world of courtroom deliberations through a juror's eyes.
As we mark five years of podcasting, we reflect on life's unpredictable journey, sharing poignant tales of love, loss, and resilience. Kat opens her heart about personal losses, recounting stories of her Uncle T and Uncle Don, which remind us all of the inevitability of mortality and the profound connections that bind us to family. These reflections underscore the enduring comfort family provides during times of grief and the unique ways each of us navigates the path of healing from loss.
We also explore the emotional landscapes we traverse when anniversaries of loss come around, acknowledging how our bodies often harbor memories that surprise us. Through amusing anecdotes of mistaken celebrity identities and serendipitous encounters—like mistaking a fellow traveler for Brené Brown or meeting Louis Armstrong's daughter—we're reminded of the unpredictable nature of human connections. And, amidst these heartfelt discussions, we dive into lighter debates, such as the whimsical act of knitting gifts for strangers' babies during flights, bringing a touch of humor to our heartfelt conversation.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to the Cat and Moose podcast.
I'm Cat and I'm Moose.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
This is a true life podcast where we explore the
quirks of being human.
Hey Cat, hey Moose, hey Sarah,Hi, hey girl, Hi girl, oh hey.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Welcome back.
I like your name today ProducerSarah, juror number 11.
Thank you.
Do you want to tell the worldabout your podcast?
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Yes, yeah, last time I was on this screen in front of
me of people and your speakers,I was just about to walk into
jury duty and I had no idea whatwas going to come out of that.
But in a matter of two days, Iwas selected to be sequestered
(00:53):
on a jury in Chattanooga,tennessee, and I served as one
of 16 jurors on a murder trial,and it was wild.
And so I jurors on a murdertrial, and it was wild.
And so I, of course, came homeand dove into telling that story
.
Nice, so, yeah.
So I am working hard, hard ontrying to turn the podcast
(01:15):
quickly, just so that it's, youknow, relevant and timely to the
trial and also still just beingfresh on my mind, anyway, so
Moose has been a huge, huge partof that, because she's
basically researching everylittle bit and detail and clip
and writing it with me.
And, yeah, so can I show youthe trailer?
(01:36):
Yes, oh my gosh, I'd love tosee it.
It's just audio, but I wouldlove to share it with you and
our listeners.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Yes, I would love to hear it and I think I can speak
for our listeners.
They would too.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Okay, great, all right, everybody.
It's called sequestered.
Here we go.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
On a cold November night, jasmine Pace disappeared.
Days later her lifeless bodywas found and a community was
left in shock.
Speaker 5 (02:04):
It's a story that struck the nation.
In November, 22-year-oldJasmine Pace was reported
missing by her mother, and lessthan one week later her body was
found, police say at the handsof her boyfriend, jason Chen.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
I was called to serve on the jury in the murder trial
of the state of Tennesseeversus Jason Chin, who was
accused of taking Jasmine's life.
Over nine days, I witnessed theunraveling of a horrifying
story, one that I will neverforget.
Speaker 6 (02:36):
This is the suitcase in which Jason Chin stuffed the
98-pound body of Jasmine Pace.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
This is Sequestered, a juror's perspective on the
murder trial for Jasmine Pace, apodcast that takes you inside
the courtroom, behind closeddoors, and into the heart of a
trial that captivated the townof Chattanooga, Tennessee.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
Friends say she was the person you called, no matter
what time of day it was.
They say she was always there.
They say her personality was somagnetic people couldn't help
but gravitate towards her.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Each episode will walk you through one day of the
trial.
I'll share my experience as ajuror and how I grappled with
the weight of the evidence, theresponsibility of the verdict
and sentencing, and honoringJasmine's story.
Speaker 6 (03:31):
Victims matter.
Jasmine Pace is not just somegirl listed in an autopsy report
.
She is not the photos that youhave seen.
Don't minimize her to a name onan indictment.
She's a person.
She had family that loved her,she was a friend, she was a
(03:53):
granddaughter.
Please don't minimize thistrial to the trial for him.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Join us as we explore the crime, the trial and the
profound impact of JasminePace's story.
Speaker 6 (04:07):
I want you to remember this trial as the trial
for Jasmine Pace.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
This is Sequestred a juror's journey, a victim's
voice and the pursuit of truth.
Subscribe now.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Thank you.
I'm over here clapping and Iwant to say that I think that
whoever produced that trailer isa genius.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Thank you very much You're welcome.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
I've never seen Sarah work so hard on a project.
It's been really cool to see.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Thank you.
Yeah, no, it's been really apassionate project for me.
It's been an interesting wayfor me to process everything,
because I couldn't do do it.
You know, the days of the trialI had my head had to be in the
game, and I'll explain in thefirst episode how, like, we
really couldn't even talk toeach other about it until the
(05:15):
deliberation phase, soinformation just had to be
stored in my head and on paperuntil we could talk about it.
So processing the emotionalside of it was not really a huge
option until, like, maybe, thehotel room which by then I was
like I don't want to think aboutany of this, I just want to,
like, go and, you know, dowhatever, go to sleep.
(05:36):
So anyway, it was really quitean experience.
I'll never forget it.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Wow Well like I said before the trial, I don't think
that they could ask for a betterjuror than you, and so I know
there were other jurors and I'mreally glad that you were a part
of that process and I have somany questions about it.
But I feel like I want to waitand listen to the podcast and
see if my questions are answeredand then, if they're not, I
(06:04):
want to.
I want to ask questions, but Ialso don't want to.
I don't want to unveil yourthunder early.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
No, no, no, no.
I'm happy Like we need a wholejust group session anyway,
because I know there's a coupleof us that either watch the
trial the whole time, like Moosedid, she watched every second
of it from like online everysecond, but I I tried to go back
if I missed anything to watchit because it really was a
fascinating, very devastatingtrial.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
But I became pretty uh, connected to it after a few
like minutes of watching thetrial, because you can't believe
another human would do that tosomeone Right.
That's crazy.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
So if you guys think to, please go listen to the
trailer again, follow thepodcast and or subscribe, or
whatever the kids are calling itthese days.
We're hoping to get that thingreleased very soon.
It's called sequestered.
Yeah, it's called sequestered.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
And will you do like some of the streaming services
and release everything at oncefor like mass, like addiction,
consumption, or will you releaseone episode at a time and make
us wait?
Like I know, there arestrategies in both.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Yeah, Great question Do you want to answer Ms?
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Well, I think what is going to happen on February
10th?
Three episodes are going todrop and then it's going to come
out every Monday.
There'll be a new episode afterthat.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Yeah, cool.
So there'll be seven episodesthat follow and, yeah, the idea
is that it goes in sequentialorder, from the first episode
being my jury duty and selection, and then each day of the trial
thereafter, and so the goal hasbeen for us to write it from my
perspective.
So, as the trial unfolded, Ididn't know a dang thing, like a
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single thing, about it goinginto it.
So the whole thing had to betold to us, you know, and
revealed to us.
So that's kind of how I'mtrying to tell it, while filling
in some context, you know.
But I'm really trying to tellit for real and like we're I
mean, she's been amazing atresearching and fact checking
and just making sure we're likesaying it right, not trying to
(08:13):
get ahead of it, not trying touse, you know, other people's
opinions or stuff.
So, yeah, anyway, it's beencool, it's been an interesting
process.
I've never done a documentarystyle podcast and what do you
think?
This is True, very true.
I was.
This is real time what'shappening in our lives.
(08:34):
This is a reality show.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
It's more of reality TV.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Like I was thinking about our podcast today, after
Moose and I were texting alittle bit, and I was thinking
about our podcast and I wasgoing, like you know, like is it
okay that it's just kind ofsuper like, woo way, like in the
flow, like going with you know,whatever we talk about and in
whichever direction things go,or should we like really try to
(09:00):
tighten it up?
And should we try to do likelike some other podcasts and go
like okay, well, we're going tointerview people and we're going
to ask smart questions and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah?
And then I thought you knowwhat Like, like we have engaged
with a really beautifulcommunity of listeners and I I
don't want to lose you guys.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
And so.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
I think that part of the reason you're here is that
you like what you're hearing andso it makes me go don't change
it.
Like don't don't change it andand you know cause I was.
What led me to that thoughtprocess today is Moose was
texting me, just asking me how Iwas doing and I was driving and
I was stuck in in like whatfelt like rush hour traffic, but
(09:41):
it wasn't rush hour and I juststarted crying Like I just
started crying.
I just was having these big liketurtle tears and I was like
what if I cry on the podcast?
Is it okay to cry on thepodcast?
Does anybody listening care ifI cry on the podcast?
And I was like, who cares?
Like like it's just the thingthat we've been doing, and we've
been doing it consistently now,or semi consistently, for a
(10:03):
really long time.
And I just want to say, like Iam proud of you Sarah, I am
proud of you Moose, I am proudof you Kat, Like you guys have
done a great, great job atsticking with this.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Well, so have you, kat.
It's funny because, um,speaking of um, podcasting and
marketing and things like that,um, I was thinking the other day
.
I was like one of theinteresting things about why I
think it's so hard to actuallymarket the cat and moose podcast
is because it's abouteverything to your point.
You know, it's like seinfeld,it's like you can't really go.
(10:38):
Oh, yes, we dabble in mentalhealth and, yes, we dabble in,
uh, body work things, and youknow all the different things
that we talk about, um, butultimately, I feel like it's
really about everything we'rewalking through, right, right.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Yeah, it is.
It's about life, and I waslistening to our intro recently
and hearing you say moose, um,the cat moose podcast is about
the quirks of being human and Iwas like, is that interesting?
And I was like, well,apparently we think it is,
because we've been talking aboutit for years now.
Yeah, you know, like what?
What is the human experience,like what?
(11:16):
What are the quirks of beinghuman?
And and that is what it's about.
And and yes, that's super broadstrokes and it also like has
these moments of being reallypointed to you know where it's
like we talk about everythingfrom, like you know, death to
life, to politics, to, you know,work, all the things, and and
(11:38):
our listeners are doing allthose things too you know, like
they're experiencing their ownversion of that.
So, while it may be hard tomarket, it's not hard to love.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Oh, that's good, we need t-shirts that say that.
Hey, and speaking of, uh, we'reactually.
I was going through my calendartoday putting in some work
stuff and I realized in justover two weeks will be our
five-year anniversary of therelease of our first episode.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
That's amazing.
Yeah, be your own snowman Fiveyears.
We're going to pop some bubblyfor that Woo so.
Kat can you tell us about yourtears and how your life has been
, because I know there have beensome bumps lately and I would
like to hear about them.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Yeah, I certainly can .
So Earlier in 2024, my Uncle Tpassed away.
He had been kind ofdeteriorating health-wise for
the past couple of years andnone of us really knew how much,
because he was very reclusive,he was very to himself and every
(12:45):
now and then my mom would gopick him up and be like you are
going with us to a familyreunion, like you are going with
us to go grocery shopping orwhatever it is.
He lives a few hours away fromfrom the rest of my family and
so anyway.
So so in the days leading up tohim passing away, we were at
the hospital a lot andexperienced a lot of things for
(13:06):
the first time.
Some of us did.
Some of us have experienced thatover and over for the first
time.
Some of us did.
Some of us have experiencedthat over and over.
But for some of our family itwas like, wow, that's the first
time that I have been in a roomwith a person not living, or
been in a room when a personpasses over, and you know like
there was just a lot of new andunique and unusual circumstances
(13:26):
around all of that.
And um, just a few days ago mymom's oldest brother, don um,
passed away and he was 91 yearsold and like wow, to say that
you've lived 91 years like gosh,it's like like, yeah, me too.
And it's like, well, how did hedie?
It's almost kind of like dudehe lived in 91.
(13:49):
Like yeah, it's like he can diehowever he wants to and my
understanding is that hispassing was very peaceful and he
was in a wonderful hospiceenvironment and had family
around him.
And it's been a little weirdbecause my mom's family they had
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eight siblings, her parents hadeight kids and two of her
siblings passed at a relativelyyoung age, like the one passed
away from a heart condition,very young.
And then another one passed awayfrom cancer at 19 years old
also very young and then overthe years, you know, people have
(14:32):
passed, you know for forvarious reasons and at various
times, and at this juncture now,the only two living siblings on
the maternal side of my familyare my mom and my aunt.
Oh, wow.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
I didn't realize that .
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Yeah, so Mary Mac, yeah Mary.
Speaker 6 (14:50):
Mac.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Yeah, yeah, mary, mac and my mom are the last two
siblings and of course, they'rewomen.
They're awesome, they'veoutlived all the dudes, because
women are just better in myopinion.
Love you, chris, obviously Loveyou, our male listeners.
And and also, like I thinkwomen are just awesome.
And so it also like brings thethe topic that humanity has had
(15:16):
to deal with forever and everand ever, of like we're all
mortal, like there is no, thereis no like escaping that, at
least in this body, in thisplace, in this soul, like this
body is going to no longer existat some point, you know, and
it's like, while that is like apiece of data, because of
(15:38):
attachment, because of love,because of relationship, because
of how humans work together,it's like that's a really hard
thing when somebody leaves, whensomebody dies, even if they are
quote-unquote, going to abetter place, because none of us
know where they're going.
We have a lot of beliefs aboutit, we have superstitions about
it, I know.
Well, I'm glad, I'm glad.
Yeah.
(15:58):
I'm glad that you know, and inthe trifecta, the trilogy, the
what's it called the Trinity.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Star Wars.
Oh, trinity the trinity starwars.
Oh well, trinity or star wars,moose, you are god, so you do
know, you know, but but no, I'mnot god, I just know where we're
going, oh okay, yeah, I wastrying to make a complimentary
connection there, because you'rethe holy spirit right, right
yeah I know you're jesus andsarah's the holy spirit
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something like that have had.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
We've had this discussion a hundred times.
Our listeners are bored now.
So, um, so, anyway, my, my uncle, don, passed away um recently
and I just got back yesterdayfrom the private family viewing
of his body.
How do you feel about that?
Um, it was, it was, uh, it washard, it was important.
(16:54):
It was really really importantto me to be a support to my
other family members and it wasreally really important for my
other family members to be asupport to me.
Yeah, and, and it was, it wasnice to have that support amidst
a really really sad thing.
And then I think also, likewhat I was alluding to before,
(17:18):
is that, like, there's only twoleft, and my mom and my aunt,
who are the people I am theclosest to, are the two left, so
when, when somebody passes,it's going to be one of them.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
You know, and it's like that's that just comes with
a lot of gravity and it comeswith a lot of like what am I
doing with my life, like, how amI loving my people?
Well, like all of that, and,and you know, even though I've
dealt with death throughout life, you know, my dad passed away
23 years ago and, and you know,we've had mutual, been kind of
(17:58):
like, just kind of like okay,like this is reality and I can't
control it.
I cannot control it whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
I think that's the best recognition, though,
because I think, when we'reliving in reality, uh, I think
that that is the most preciousthing we can do is to be like oh
, it is, yeah, and it just is.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
And it got to a point where my sister kind of dreads
her birthday because herbirthday is only six days after
my dad passed the celebration ofher birthday, and so every year
that her birthday rolls around,she's like, well, I get it and
I'm paraphrasing for her, butshe's like, well, I get this wet
blanket of, just less than aweek before my birthday, my dad
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dies.
So how in the world am Isupposed to ever be able to
celebrate my birthday, you know,and?
And so then, with my uncle Donpassing just a few days before
her birthday, different datethan when my dad passed, we got
to joke about it, though, and Isaid, well, I said, just clarify
for me which day is mine?
Like, which day am I going todie?
Like do I get the 22nd, the23rd, the 25th, the 26th, you
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know?
And we were able to laugh aboutit, and she like played right
into it and she was like well,here are the days that you have
available so whenever you opendays, oh, and don't forget which
day is my birthday right, let'snot make it that
Speaker 2 (19:39):
one that is that's so funny.
So, uh, okay, I want to go backto for a moment, uh, all of
that realization and, um, sortof the recognition of our
finality, because I think that's, I love that this episode's
about death.
It's just gonna be, guys, itreally is, because I have a
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happy new year.
I have a lot to say happy newlunar year.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
It's the year of the snake.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Let's shed all the dead shit and get on with
exciting shit well, I don'tthink anyone's thinking that,
but my, my grandmother on mymom's side, the one that was the
mean grandmother that I tookinto the haunted house in a
wheelchair she always believedthat february was like,
(20:29):
basically cursed like.
I think she legitimatelybelieved in a little bit of all
that and it was because she had13 siblings.
Oh my God, I might have thatnumber wrong, but it's at least
13.
Oh my God.
So those are my great aunts anduncles and like 90% of them,
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died in February.
Well, get this Okay.
So this is going to play intowhat I'm telling.
I'm not just trying to tell sadstories.
But, uh, my mom, when she hadher stroke January 1st no way to
welcome a new year in 2019 likethat and then I said to my
sister, if she waits tillFebruary to die, I know that my
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grandmother was right aboutFebruary and my mom passed away
on February 1st.
It's like she just went.
I'm going to make it this long,yep, but all that to say.
And that was her mom, right,that was her mom, correct?
Yeah, and she also died inFebruary.
For what it's worth.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Lord, I mean like that is awesome.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Everyone hold on tight.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
We're not leaving the house.
Let's check on each other everyhour.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
She might have died in November, I don't know, but
let's just say for the story,she died in February.
Right, but all to your sister'spoint, you know, I think it's
easy if you haven't really lostsomeone close to you to go, oh,
it's just a date.
Cause I kind of felt that waybefore, like, oh well, like it's
a date, like my sister wouldsometimes take off work on my
dad's death anniversary and Iremember thinking like what are
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you going to do?
But I will say this I justpulled up a picture 2021.
And you guys remember thisstory because we did a podcast
when I was in Florida.
I had a full on breakdown inJanuary and I went down to St
George Island and sat on thebeach by myself and in a bathtub
(22:23):
and read about chakras.
Yes, Like yes, exactly Greatmemory.
And I just went and tried toheal myself and I saw that
picture come up today and Ithought, oh my gosh, that was
four years ago and it still isas painful as it was when my mom
passed away.
Now I'm not saying that to sayto you because your mom is alive
(22:45):
and well.
I understand all the feelings,but I am with your sister that,
like this week, I had a panicattack out of nowhere.
Out of nowhere.
It was right, when we weresupposed to record the podcast.
That's right.
I was ready, I was in here, Iwas ready and I had this pain
shoot from my chest to my back.
I was pacing, I was bendingover, I was doing anything I
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could to release this pain andwe, finally everybody just
called it and you both were likewe'll do it another time or
whatever.
But that's the only thing Icould point to is that during
this last week before my mompassed away, that we were, she
was in hospice, so we weremourning all of that and it just
is like you know, we talk aboutall the time your body
(23:29):
remembers.
Say it, kat.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
The body remembers.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
The body keeps score, but it's true, it's so weird
how even our body knows itsometimes and we don't know
what's going on.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Yeah, Our, our bodies , our bodies so know, and yeah,
I just have so much to say aboutthat and I want to really honor
that like that.
That time that anniversary iscoming up, it's like, how are
you doing with February 1strolling around?
Speaker 2 (24:01):
I'm, I'm okay with it .
I mean, obviously it's coming,whether I like it or not.
Um, what I find interesting ismy breakdown is usually before
it.
Like the day has never beensuper hard for me.
I always try and do somethingto honor my mom.
But when I look at that I go,oh, I was actually already
mourning because I knew what wascoming.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Yeah, you were preparing.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Okay, so, Sarah, hold your hand up.
She's got a boo-boo and, uh, wewere standing in the garage and
she looks down her hand andshe's like what is that?
And she thought it was likepoop or something.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
No, she didn't really think it was not not my poop,
but just like some gunk likedirt, you know.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
So she starts rubbing it on herself and she's like,
oh, what is that?
And then she realized, oh, it'slike dried up blood.
And she's got this cut on herhand and immediately I go OK.
And she goes oh my gosh, nowthat I've noticed this cut, I
can notice it hurts.
And I thought, oh my God,that's what healing is like
internally.
(25:04):
Wow Is like we ignore it.
She didn't even know that cutwas there beforehand.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
That's fucking beautiful right we can finally
feel it once.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
We, once, we go.
Oh yeah, that actually happened.
And then you're you, you canactually go.
Oh, let me work through thatpain that I feel and how many
times, I guess.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
How often do we not choose to work through like we
don't even choose to acknowledgeoh, that happened, or I'm in
pain, or like we're gonna justpress on people?
Yeah, you know.
Oh yeah, until that comes backto get you.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Sorry, kat, okay yeah , no, it's fine.
It's like it reminds me of12-step stuff you know, it's
like the first step is admittingyou have a problem.
Yeah, you know it's like goinglike I have a cut, and then it's
like and then what well itmight.
You know it's like going like Ihave a cut and then it's like
and then what Well, it mightjust hurt for another year.
Like, like there's no rules perse of like what happens next,
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but it's like, it's likeadmitting and acknowledging and
I was even talking with a friendtoday about how, like, when
people have an awareness oftheir deficiencies or their
weaknesses or their shortcomingsor whatever it is, it's like
that's that's the best, becauseit's like, if there's an
awareness, something is going tochange.
(26:22):
Is that whole brené brown?
Something is going to change?
Which reminds me I was on aflight recently and I was with a
friend and my friend wasconvinced, convinced that the
woman sitting across the aislefrom us, there was a man in the
aisle seat and then a woman inthe window seat and my friend
(26:42):
was convinced it was Brene Brown.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
oh my gosh, how did I not get a FaceTime during that?
Speaker 1 (26:50):
well, because we were in the air and you can't do
that in the air.
We were so convinced that itwas Brene Brown and then we
realized very quickly at the endof the flight, when we walked
out with the woman, we were like, wow, this is not.
Brene Brown, but it was reallyfun for that.
Like two and a half hours tothink like I am sitting within
three feet of somebody who wequote like on a weekly basis,
(27:13):
like that was really excitingman.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
I was once on a southwest flight with Stedman
Graham Oprah's honey, honey boo,and I couldn't believe he was
on a southwest flight.
I was like if I had y'all'smoney, mama would be on first
class.
But he was not, not, and I evenlooked up his book and looked
at him.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
I was like that's him .
Wow, Amazing.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
While we're at it, we sat next to Snooki's dad at a
bar.
Oh that's true?
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Okay, get this.
We haven't told this story.
On the way to Key West.
We go into like was it a yardhouse no, a bj's brew house.
Yep, and we just went to the bar.
There's football on and I,sarah's on my left and I'm
sitting.
This guy comes up long story,it annoyed the shit out of me.
And he's like can I sit here?
Basically, so he's sittingthere and he's talking to his
(28:06):
son-in-law and he's like loud asshit and, uh, he keeps
apologizing Sorry, I'm from NewYork, sorry, I'm from New York.
And then out of his mouth Ihear him say somebody said have
you ever been to that stadium?
His son-in-law said that and hegoes yeah, snooki played that
stadium.
And I go.
He just say Snooki.
(28:26):
So I look up Snooki's dad and,sure enough, sitting right next
to me in Miami.
So I look up Snooki's dad and,sure enough, sitting right next
to me in Miami, there he was,there he was, that's amazing.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
So tell me Louis Armstrong's daughter.
Do you guys know who that is?
No, is it Natalie Armstrong,adele?
No, it's not.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Adele.
Speaker 6 (28:47):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Natalie Merchant Nope .
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Natalie Armstrong no that's Sharon Preston Folta.
Yes, I, whoever.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Is that right?
I don't know.
I sat.
I sat next to her on a flightwith my sister.
Like this is probably like 15years ago, and and that was when
I still had the practice ofcarrying business cards in my
backpack and carrying CDs of theartists that I work with in my
backpack, so I could spread thegood news of the kingdom of God,
(29:18):
of course, and a Sharpie.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
You always have a Sharpie.
Of course that's not a Sharpie.
That was the closest thing Ihad.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
That was really close , moose, but no cigar.
Anyway, yeah, we were on herher flight.
This is not a good story.
Did you talk to her?
Yes, I gave her, I gave.
I wrote her a postcard.
I was like I really appreciateyour art, I love your music,
like you're wonderful.
These are a few of the artistsI work with.
I hope you have a reallyblessed day, like it was
(29:46):
something like that.
So as I got off the plane Ijust handed it to her and she
was like thank you she probablyjust threw it in the trash, but
sweet, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
Have you ever seen the people that like will be on
a flight and will just like knita bonnet for a baby and then be
like?
Here, you go at the end.
Yeah, wait what?
Speaker 2 (30:07):
they hand it to you.
Just like what if you don'thave a?
Speaker 3 (30:09):
baby.
No, no, like the mom next tothem's just like oh but then,
like at the end of the flight,they're like I made this hat for
your kid.
No, creepy I'm.
I'm not into that at all,that's like that's like
something southern people do andyou're like no, that's don't.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
That's not even her colors number one I, I want to
remind you laced with somethingright, you're not killing my
baby nope not interested.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Honestly, it's creepy .
You brought the yarn.
How did you know I was sittinghere with my child.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
She was gonna knit anyway, connect, oh yeah.
And then she just reaches overand goes can I measure your
baby's head?
Speaker 1 (30:48):
listen, she needed a reason to connect, yeah like I
feel like you guys got a wholelot of energy around this and I
am just left in the dust.
Man she's wrong.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
She's wrong.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
It's weird have you ever experienced that cat?
Speaker 2 (31:02):
no, really okay, no just me, huh, I wrote something
down and I think this might bethe question.
That is my life's work to askpeople in a container that is
safe, which is not here, sothat's why I'm bringing it up.
Wait, no, I mean this would.
This may not be a safecontainer as the podcast for you
(31:25):
guys to answer it, but this issomething I want everyone to
take into their quiet time andtheir prayer closet.
Okay, are you ready?
Speaker 1 (31:34):
It crosses so many not okay boundaries it's so
entertaining.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
It's so entertaining.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Okay, okay, close your eyes.
If you're driving, pull overand close your eyes.
Close your eyes.
What is the thing?
What is the?
Speaker 3 (31:59):
thing in your life that you don't want to tell the
truth about.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Oh damn, I know I had a little smoky smoky session
and I was like that came into mybrain and I wrote that down,
and then I heard the words yourwork starts here.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Wow, what is the thing in your life that you
don't want to tell the truthabout?
Hmm, I mean, you're right, Ican't do that here.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
No no, yeah, I can't do that here, I can't do that
here we shouldn't, should we, Imean I could pick, like a small
thing sure and be like yeah belike I don't want to tell my
weight number.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Oh, shut up, you've got deeper issues than that.
You whore, you stupid whore.
Speaker 5 (32:45):
Just a little internal family systems, work
that needs to be done what is ityou don't want to tell the
truth about?
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Okay, that's write it down internally or on your
phone or wherever you need totalk to your therapist about it.
Write a blog.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
I was going to say like we've got to resource
people, like we can't just dropa grenade like that and then be
like see you next week.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Well, I mean, these people know what to do with it.
Like you, either, take it, putit in your pocket, think about
it or not even think about it.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
You need to feel into it you need to get some cat
davis, touchy touchy, give me abreak and uh and think about.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
What is it that you don't want to tell the truth
about?
Oh man, that was.
That was straight from theheavens, the aliens, straight
from Jupiter guys, into my heartand brain.
I welcomed it.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
I said come now is the time to worship.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Okay, wait, but you're missing the other half of
it.
Yeah, the last part of it isyour work starts there.
So what was the first part?
What's the thing you don't wantto tell the truth about?
Your work starts there, wow.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
Yeah, that's a great challenge.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
But the problem is, you got to decide that you want
to tell the truth Because, guesswhat, you're not going to feel
it.
We know that You're not goingto feel it until you point it
out and go oh there, it is,motherfucker yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
And, like my wound, your boo-boo, be willing to look
at it.
Speaker 5 (34:24):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
And go like.
At first I'm like ugh,disgusted by it.
And within seconds my ughturned to oh no, like by it.
And within seconds my turn tooh, no, like I've got it.
You know, like.
And all of a sudden I hurt andI feel and it was a totally
different expression by beingwilling to examine it, I guess,
yeah, yeah yeah, I'm gonna be ona road trip with my mom.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Tomorrow we're going to our annual family visitation
to real foot lake, um yeah yeah,so that that is tomorrow and um
, or it starts tomorrow and mymom and I are going a little bit
earlier than everybody else, um, and we're doing that so that
we have intentional one-on-onetime to get to just be together
(35:09):
and to talk you know, and andwhen we dropped my sister and
her son off at their house afterthe family visitation yesterday
, we had about 12 minutes in thecar between my sister's house
and my house and then my momdrove another two hours to go
home to Alabama and in that 12minutes my mom and I had the
most beautiful, most intimatetime together, talking about our
(35:32):
feelings.
And I was so excited because Ifelt like when I got to kind of
see her off to drive home toAlabama, I was like, oh, only in
like two or three days I'mgoing to get to do this with her
again, yeah, and have this timewith her again.
And I've thought about, likewhat do I want to talk about?
Like what questions do I wantto ask?
And blah, blah, blah, blah.
And like what do I want to talkabout?
(35:52):
Like what questions do I wantto ask?
And blah, blah, blah, blah.
And I think I'm going to startwith this one, that's great, I
think I'm going to start withthis one.
What, what do you not want totell the truth about?
Holy shit?
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Isn't it such a?
You said it it's a grenade.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
It's a it's a grenade and also give her and myself
both the permission.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
You don't have to answer that on this trip, yeah,
yeah, you know, if you want, andyou don't have to tell me it's
yeah yeah, you can answer it foryourself and not talk to me
about it, and I think it's a.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
It's a very provocative question, moose, you
, you are oh, I like beingprovocative.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
Yeah, whoa, yeah, I'm gonna.
I'm gonna claim that.
Do you know that I once askedan artist that used to manage
you can guess which one howwould you describe me, and they
said well, not nice.
So, instead of answering it,the first words out of their
mouth was not, I'm not going tosay nice is what they were
(36:46):
saying and I was like.
I appreciate that.
I really do like I appreciatethat I really do Like.
I don't want that.
Nice is too fluffy Like I wantto be provocative.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Nice you guys.
I want to challenge us with allof these people dying.
Oh God, I know.
You got to have a little darkhumor, guys.
It doesn't work, otherwise wehave so much life yet to do
whatever we want with it.
Yeah, we legitimately do, andwe think it's over and we're
like, oh well, let's just leanon into the bucket and it's like
(37:19):
nah, man, like what do we wantto do?
Doesn't have to be painful.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
Yeah, I know what I want to do is I want to do more
of this.
Yeah, me too.
Okay, I want to do more of thisbecause this feels like a cross
between, or a cross section ofentertainment group therapy,
healing fun yeah, not on therails Like I like to get to kind
(37:45):
of exist in this, like, yeah,it feels very Wu Wei to me, like
I love it and I want to do moreof it.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Maybe we need to change the name to Off the Rails
or Wu Wei.
I'm down with either of those.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
Yeah, yeah, I think Off the Rails would be more.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
More appropriate.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
Well, I just think people would understand it.
I think there's like threepeople who would go.
Oh, Wu Wei, I know what that is, but they would be our people,
though they would be our people,though they would be our people
, yeah, yeah, maybe we justrepublish our podcast with like
nine different names and seewhich one catches the fastest,
yeah, that's a social mediastrategy right now.
Actually, it's like create amillion accounts that are very
(38:25):
similar but not exactly the same, and see what you can get.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
We would totally get them all hacked, though.
All of them would be hacked andwe would have no businesses
left.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
Hey, let's not manifest that I'm just kidding
Gosh who came out?
Speaker 2 (38:38):
That was a demon.
Get out of here, demon.
Get on out.
Get on out.
Hey, are we watching the superbowl together, or do?
Speaker 1 (38:46):
you have other plans?
Speaker 2 (39:07):
I mean I don't have other plans, I don't have other
friends.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
So great, let's go Well we're coming.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
Well, I don't know anyone, but we could pray about
it.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
Yeah, pray about it.
And I know that was way toolate.
It was all of a sudden, like Iasked you to like cross the San
Francisco.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
Bay Bridge.
You took me to third basebefore I was ready.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
I didn't even kiss you.
I'm so sorry.
We could discuss offline.
Let's discuss it offline.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
Thank you guys for listening.
We are so glad you're back.
Producer Sarah.
Thank you, so excited tocelebrate your creativity and
your podcast called Sequestred,sequestred Go, follow Go listen.
Very excited about that.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
Love you all.
Have a wonderful week.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
Love you, Kat Love you guys, Love you, Moose Love
you, Miss.
Love you Kat.
Love you guys, Love you Moose,Love you, Miss Love you.
Love you Sarah.
Speaker 6 (40:00):
Bye.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
Special thanks to our producer Sarah.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
Reed.
To find out more, go tokatandmoosepodcastcom dot com.
Cat and Moose is a BPproduction.
Welcome to the Cat and Moose podcast.
I'm Cat and I'm Moose.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
This is a true life podcast where we explore the
quirks of being human.
Hey Cat, hey Moose, hey Sarah,Hi, hey girl, Hi girl, oh hey.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Welcome back.
I like your name today ProducerSarah, juror number 11.
Thank you.
Do you want to tell the worldabout your podcast?
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Yes, yeah, last time I was on this screen in front of
me of people and your speakers,I was just about to walk into
jury duty and I had no idea whatwas going to come out of that.
But in a matter of two days, Iwas selected to be sequestered
(00:53):
on a jury in Chattanooga,tennessee, and I served as one
of 16 jurors on a murder trial,and it was wild.
And so I jurors on a murdertrial, and it was wild.
And so I, of course, came homeand dove into telling that story
.
Nice, so, yeah.
So I am working hard, hard ontrying to turn the podcast
(01:15):
quickly, just so that it's, youknow, relevant and timely to the
trial and also still just beingfresh on my mind, anyway, so
Moose has been a huge, huge partof that, because she's
basically researching everylittle bit and detail and clip
and writing it with me.
And, yeah, so can I show youthe trailer?
(01:36):
Yes, oh my gosh, I'd love tosee it.
It's just audio, but I wouldlove to share it with you and
our listeners.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Yes, I would love to hear it and I think I can speak
for our listeners.
They would too.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Okay, great, all right, everybody.
It's called sequestered.
Here we go.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
On a cold November night, jasmine Pace disappeared.
Days later her lifeless bodywas found and a community was
left in shock.
Speaker 5 (02:04):
It's a story that struck the nation.
In November, 22-year-oldJasmine Pace was reported
missing by her mother, and lessthan one week later her body was
found, police say at the handsof her boyfriend, jason Chen.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
I was called to serve on the jury in the murder trial
of the state of Tennesseeversus Jason Chin, who was
accused of taking Jasmine's life.
Over nine days, I witnessed theunraveling of a horrifying
story, one that I will neverforget.
Speaker 6 (02:36):
This is the suitcase in which Jason Chin stuffed the
98-pound body of Jasmine Pace.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
This is Sequestered, a juror's perspective on the
murder trial for Jasmine Pace, apodcast that takes you inside
the courtroom, behind closeddoors, and into the heart of a
trial that captivated the townof Chattanooga, Tennessee.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
Friends say she was the person you called, no matter
what time of day it was.
They say she was always there.
They say her personality was somagnetic people couldn't help
but gravitate towards her.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Each episode will walk you through one day of the
trial.
I'll share my experience as ajuror and how I grappled with
the weight of the evidence, theresponsibility of the verdict
and sentencing, and honoringJasmine's story.
Speaker 6 (03:31):
Victims matter.
Jasmine Pace is not just somegirl listed in an autopsy report
.
She is not the photos that youhave seen.
Don't minimize her to a name onan indictment.
She's a person.
She had family that loved her,she was a friend, she was a
(03:53):
granddaughter.
Please don't minimize thistrial to the trial for him.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Join us as we explore the crime, the trial and the
profound impact of JasminePace's story.
Speaker 6 (04:07):
I want you to remember this trial as the trial
for Jasmine Pace.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
This is Sequestred a juror's journey, a victim's
voice and the pursuit of truth.
Subscribe now.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Thank you.
I'm over here clapping and Iwant to say that I think that
whoever produced that trailer isa genius.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Thank you very much You're welcome.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
I've never seen Sarah work so hard on a project.
It's been really cool to see.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Thank you.
Yeah, no, it's been really apassionate project for me.
It's been an interesting wayfor me to process everything,
because I couldn't do do it.
You know, the days of the trialI had my head had to be in the
game, and I'll explain in thefirst episode how, like, we
really couldn't even talk toeach other about it until the
(05:15):
deliberation phase, soinformation just had to be
stored in my head and on paperuntil we could talk about it.
So processing the emotionalside of it was not really a huge
option until, like, maybe, thehotel room which by then I was
like I don't want to think aboutany of this, I just want to,
like, go and, you know, dowhatever, go to sleep.
(05:36):
So anyway, it was really quitean experience.
I'll never forget it.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Wow Well like I said before the trial, I don't think
that they could ask for a betterjuror than you, and so I know
there were other jurors and I'mreally glad that you were a part
of that process and I have somany questions about it.
But I feel like I want to waitand listen to the podcast and
see if my questions are answeredand then, if they're not, I
(06:04):
want to.
I want to ask questions, but Ialso don't want to.
I don't want to unveil yourthunder early.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
No, no, no, no.
I'm happy Like we need a wholejust group session anyway,
because I know there's a coupleof us that either watch the
trial the whole time, like Moosedid, she watched every second
of it from like online everysecond, but I I tried to go back
if I missed anything to watchit because it really was a
fascinating, very devastatingtrial.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
But I became pretty uh, connected to it after a few
like minutes of watching thetrial, because you can't believe
another human would do that tosomeone Right.
That's crazy.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
So if you guys think to, please go listen to the
trailer again, follow thepodcast and or subscribe, or
whatever the kids are calling itthese days.
We're hoping to get that thingreleased very soon.
It's called sequestered.
Yeah, it's called sequestered.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
And will you do like some of the streaming services
and release everything at oncefor like mass, like addiction,
consumption, or will you releaseone episode at a time and make
us wait?
Like I know, there arestrategies in both.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Yeah, Great question Do you want to answer Ms?
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Well, I think what is going to happen on February
10th?
Three episodes are going todrop and then it's going to come
out every Monday.
There'll be a new episode afterthat.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Yeah, cool.
So there'll be seven episodesthat follow and, yeah, the idea
is that it goes in sequentialorder, from the first episode
being my jury duty and selection, and then each day of the trial
thereafter, and so the goal hasbeen for us to write it from my
perspective.
So, as the trial unfolded, Ididn't know a dang thing, like a
(07:51):
single thing, about it goinginto it.
So the whole thing had to betold to us, you know, and
revealed to us.
So that's kind of how I'mtrying to tell it, while filling
in some context, you know.
But I'm really trying to tellit for real and like we're I
mean, she's been amazing atresearching and fact checking
and just making sure we're likesaying it right, not trying to
(08:13):
get ahead of it, not trying touse, you know, other people's
opinions or stuff.
So, yeah, anyway, it's beencool, it's been an interesting
process.
I've never done a documentarystyle podcast and what do you
think?
This is True, very true.
I was.
This is real time what'shappening in our lives.
(08:34):
This is a reality show.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
It's more of reality TV.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Like I was thinking about our podcast today, after
Moose and I were texting alittle bit, and I was thinking
about our podcast and I wasgoing, like you know, like is it
okay that it's just kind ofsuper like, woo way, like in the
flow, like going with you know,whatever we talk about and in
whichever direction things go,or should we like really try to
(09:00):
tighten it up?
And should we try to do likelike some other podcasts and go
like okay, well, we're going tointerview people and we're going
to ask smart questions and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah?
And then I thought you knowwhat Like, like we have engaged
with a really beautifulcommunity of listeners and I I
don't want to lose you guys.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
And so.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
I think that part of the reason you're here is that
you like what you're hearing andso it makes me go don't change
it.
Like don't don't change it andand you know cause I was.
What led me to that thoughtprocess today is Moose was
texting me, just asking me how Iwas doing and I was driving and
I was stuck in in like whatfelt like rush hour traffic, but
(09:41):
it wasn't rush hour and I juststarted crying Like I just
started crying.
I just was having these big liketurtle tears and I was like
what if I cry on the podcast?
Is it okay to cry on thepodcast?
Does anybody listening care ifI cry on the podcast?
And I was like, who cares?
Like like it's just the thingthat we've been doing, and we've
been doing it consistently now,or semi consistently, for a
(10:03):
really long time.
And I just want to say, like Iam proud of you Sarah, I am
proud of you Moose, I am proudof you Kat, Like you guys have
done a great, great job atsticking with this.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Well, so have you, kat.
It's funny because, um,speaking of um, podcasting and
marketing and things like that,um, I was thinking the other day
.
I was like one of theinteresting things about why I
think it's so hard to actuallymarket the cat and moose podcast
is because it's abouteverything to your point.
You know, it's like seinfeld,it's like you can't really go.
(10:38):
Oh, yes, we dabble in mentalhealth and, yes, we dabble in,
uh, body work things, and youknow all the different things
that we talk about, um, butultimately, I feel like it's
really about everything we'rewalking through, right, right.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Yeah, it is.
It's about life, and I waslistening to our intro recently
and hearing you say moose, um,the cat moose podcast is about
the quirks of being human and Iwas like, is that interesting?
And I was like, well,apparently we think it is,
because we've been talking aboutit for years now.
Yeah, you know, like what?
What is the human experience,like what?
(11:16):
What are the quirks of beinghuman?
And and that is what it's about.
And and yes, that's super broadstrokes and it also like has
these moments of being reallypointed to you know where it's
like we talk about everythingfrom, like you know, death to
life, to politics, to, you know,work, all the things, and and
(11:38):
our listeners are doing allthose things too you know, like
they're experiencing their ownversion of that.
So, while it may be hard tomarket, it's not hard to love.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Oh, that's good, we need t-shirts that say that.
Hey, and speaking of, uh, we'reactually.
I was going through my calendartoday putting in some work
stuff and I realized in justover two weeks will be our
five-year anniversary of therelease of our first episode.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
That's amazing.
Yeah, be your own snowman Fiveyears.
We're going to pop some bubblyfor that Woo so.
Kat can you tell us about yourtears and how your life has been
, because I know there have beensome bumps lately and I would
like to hear about them.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Yeah, I certainly can .
So Earlier in 2024, my Uncle Tpassed away.
He had been kind ofdeteriorating health-wise for
the past couple of years andnone of us really knew how much,
because he was very reclusive,he was very to himself and every
(12:45):
now and then my mom would gopick him up and be like you are
going with us to a familyreunion, like you are going with
us to go grocery shopping orwhatever it is.
He lives a few hours away fromfrom the rest of my family and
so anyway.
So so in the days leading up tohim passing away, we were at
the hospital a lot andexperienced a lot of things for
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the first time.
Some of us did.
Some of us have experienced thatover and over for the first
time.
Some of us did.
Some of us have experiencedthat over and over.
But for some of our family itwas like, wow, that's the first
time that I have been in a roomwith a person not living, or
been in a room when a personpasses over, and you know like
there was just a lot of new andunique and unusual circumstances
(13:26):
around all of that.
And um, just a few days ago mymom's oldest brother, don um,
passed away and he was 91 yearsold and like wow, to say that
you've lived 91 years like gosh,it's like like, yeah, me too.
And it's like, well, how did hedie?
It's almost kind of like dudehe lived in 91.
(13:49):
Like yeah, it's like he can diehowever he wants to and my
understanding is that hispassing was very peaceful and he
was in a wonderful hospiceenvironment and had family
around him.
And it's been a little weirdbecause my mom's family they had
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eight siblings, her parents hadeight kids and two of her
siblings passed at a relativelyyoung age, like the one passed
away from a heart condition,very young.
And then another one passed awayfrom cancer at 19 years old
also very young and then overthe years, you know, people have
(14:32):
passed, you know for forvarious reasons and at various
times, and at this juncture now,the only two living siblings on
the maternal side of my familyare my mom and my aunt.
Oh, wow.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
I didn't realize that .
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Yeah, so Mary Mac, yeah Mary.
Speaker 6 (14:50):
Mac.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Yeah, yeah, mary, mac and my mom are the last two
siblings and of course, they'rewomen.
They're awesome, they'veoutlived all the dudes, because
women are just better in myopinion.
Love you, chris, obviously Loveyou, our male listeners.
And and also, like I thinkwomen are just awesome.
And so it also like brings thethe topic that humanity has had
(15:16):
to deal with forever and everand ever, of like we're all
mortal, like there is no, thereis no like escaping that, at
least in this body, in thisplace, in this soul, like this
body is going to no longer existat some point, you know, and
it's like, while that is like apiece of data, because of
(15:38):
attachment, because of love,because of relationship, because
of how humans work together,it's like that's a really hard
thing when somebody leaves, whensomebody dies, even if they are
quote-unquote, going to abetter place, because none of us
know where they're going.
We have a lot of beliefs aboutit, we have superstitions about
it, I know.
Well, I'm glad, I'm glad.
Yeah.
(15:58):
I'm glad that you know, and inthe trifecta, the trilogy, the
what's it called the Trinity.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Star Wars.
Oh, trinity the trinity starwars.
Oh well, trinity or star wars,moose, you are god, so you do
know, you know, but but no, I'mnot god, I just know where we're
going, oh okay, yeah, I wastrying to make a complimentary
connection there, because you'rethe holy spirit right, right
yeah I know you're jesus andsarah's the holy spirit
(16:27):
something like that have had.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
We've had this discussion a hundred times.
Our listeners are bored now.
So, um, so, anyway, my, my uncle, don, passed away um recently
and I just got back yesterdayfrom the private family viewing
of his body.
How do you feel about that?
Um, it was, it was, uh, it washard, it was important.
(16:54):
It was really really importantto me to be a support to my
other family members and it wasreally really important for my
other family members to be asupport to me.
Yeah, and, and it was, it wasnice to have that support amidst
a really really sad thing.
And then I think also, likewhat I was alluding to before,
(17:18):
is that, like, there's only twoleft, and my mom and my aunt,
who are the people I am theclosest to, are the two left, so
when, when somebody passes,it's going to be one of them.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
You know, and it's like that's that just comes with
a lot of gravity and it comeswith a lot of like what am I
doing with my life, like, how amI loving my people?
Well, like all of that, and,and you know, even though I've
dealt with death throughout life, you know, my dad passed away
23 years ago and, and you know,we've had mutual, been kind of
(17:58):
like, just kind of like okay,like this is reality and I can't
control it.
I cannot control it whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
I think that's the best recognition, though,
because I think, when we'reliving in reality, uh, I think
that that is the most preciousthing we can do is to be like oh
, it is, yeah, and it just is.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
And it got to a point where my sister kind of dreads
her birthday because herbirthday is only six days after
my dad passed the celebration ofher birthday, and so every year
that her birthday rolls around,she's like, well, I get it and
I'm paraphrasing for her, butshe's like, well, I get this wet
blanket of, just less than aweek before my birthday, my dad
(19:01):
dies.
So how in the world am Isupposed to ever be able to
celebrate my birthday, you know,and?
And so then, with my uncle Donpassing just a few days before
her birthday, different datethan when my dad passed, we got
to joke about it, though, and Isaid, well, I said, just clarify
for me which day is mine?
Like, which day am I going todie?
Like do I get the 22nd, the23rd, the 25th, the 26th, you
(19:24):
know?
And we were able to laugh aboutit, and she like played right
into it and she was like well,here are the days that you have
available so whenever you opendays, oh, and don't forget which
day is my birthday right, let'snot make it that
Speaker 2 (19:39):
one that is that's so funny.
So, uh, okay, I want to go backto for a moment, uh, all of
that realization and, um, sortof the recognition of our
finality, because I think that's, I love that this episode's
about death.
It's just gonna be, guys, itreally is, because I have a
(20:01):
happy new year.
I have a lot to say happy newlunar year.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
It's the year of the snake.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Let's shed all the dead shit and get on with
exciting shit well, I don'tthink anyone's thinking that,
but my, my grandmother on mymom's side, the one that was the
mean grandmother that I tookinto the haunted house in a
wheelchair she always believedthat february was like,
(20:29):
basically cursed like.
I think she legitimatelybelieved in a little bit of all
that and it was because she had13 siblings.
Oh my God, I might have thatnumber wrong, but it's at least
13.
Oh my God.
So those are my great aunts anduncles and like 90% of them,
(20:49):
died in February.
Well, get this Okay.
So this is going to play intowhat I'm telling.
I'm not just trying to tell sadstories.
But, uh, my mom, when she hadher stroke January 1st no way to
welcome a new year in 2019 likethat and then I said to my
sister, if she waits tillFebruary to die, I know that my
(21:13):
grandmother was right aboutFebruary and my mom passed away
on February 1st.
It's like she just went.
I'm going to make it this long,yep, but all that to say.
And that was her mom, right,that was her mom, correct?
Yeah, and she also died inFebruary.
For what it's worth.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Lord, I mean like that is awesome.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Everyone hold on tight.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
We're not leaving the house.
Let's check on each other everyhour.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
She might have died in November, I don't know, but
let's just say for the story,she died in February.
Right, but all to your sister'spoint, you know, I think it's
easy if you haven't really lostsomeone close to you to go, oh,
it's just a date.
Cause I kind of felt that waybefore, like, oh well, like it's
a date, like my sister wouldsometimes take off work on my
dad's death anniversary and Iremember thinking like what are
(22:02):
you going to do?
But I will say this I justpulled up a picture 2021.
And you guys remember thisstory because we did a podcast
when I was in Florida.
I had a full on breakdown inJanuary and I went down to St
George Island and sat on thebeach by myself and in a bathtub
(22:23):
and read about chakras.
Yes, Like yes, exactly Greatmemory.
And I just went and tried toheal myself and I saw that
picture come up today and Ithought, oh my gosh, that was
four years ago and it still isas painful as it was when my mom
passed away.
Now I'm not saying that to sayto you because your mom is alive
(22:45):
and well.
I understand all the feelings,but I am with your sister that,
like this week, I had a panicattack out of nowhere.
Out of nowhere.
It was right, when we weresupposed to record the podcast.
That's right.
I was ready, I was in here, Iwas ready and I had this pain
shoot from my chest to my back.
I was pacing, I was bendingover, I was doing anything I
(23:07):
could to release this pain andwe, finally everybody just
called it and you both were likewe'll do it another time or
whatever.
But that's the only thing Icould point to is that during
this last week before my mompassed away, that we were, she
was in hospice, so we weremourning all of that and it just
is like you know, we talk aboutall the time your body
(23:29):
remembers.
Say it, kat.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
The body remembers.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
The body keeps score, but it's true, it's so weird
how even our body knows itsometimes and we don't know
what's going on.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Yeah, Our, our bodies , our bodies so know, and yeah,
I just have so much to say aboutthat and I want to really honor
that like that.
That time that anniversary iscoming up, it's like, how are
you doing with February 1strolling around?
Speaker 2 (24:01):
I'm, I'm okay with it .
I mean, obviously it's coming,whether I like it or not.
Um, what I find interesting ismy breakdown is usually before
it.
Like the day has never beensuper hard for me.
I always try and do somethingto honor my mom.
But when I look at that I go,oh, I was actually already
mourning because I knew what wascoming.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Yeah, you were preparing.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Okay, so, Sarah, hold your hand up.
She's got a boo-boo and, uh, wewere standing in the garage and
she looks down her hand andshe's like what is that?
And she thought it was likepoop or something.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
No, she didn't really think it was not not my poop,
but just like some gunk likedirt, you know.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
So she starts rubbing it on herself and she's like,
oh, what is that?
And then she realized, oh, it'slike dried up blood.
And she's got this cut on herhand and immediately I go OK.
And she goes oh my gosh, nowthat I've noticed this cut, I
can notice it hurts.
And I thought, oh my God,that's what healing is like
internally.
(25:04):
Wow Is like we ignore it.
She didn't even know that cutwas there beforehand.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
That's fucking beautiful right we can finally
feel it once.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
We, once, we go.
Oh yeah, that actually happened.
And then you're you, you canactually go.
Oh, let me work through thatpain that I feel and how many
times, I guess.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
How often do we not choose to work through like we
don't even choose to acknowledgeoh, that happened, or I'm in
pain, or like we're gonna justpress on people?
Yeah, you know.
Oh yeah, until that comes backto get you.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Sorry, kat, okay yeah , no, it's fine.
It's like it reminds me of12-step stuff you know, it's
like the first step is admittingyou have a problem.
Yeah, you know it's like goinglike I have a cut, and then it's
like and then what well itmight.
You know it's like going like Ihave a cut and then it's like
and then what Well, it mightjust hurt for another year.
Like, like there's no rules perse of like what happens next,
(26:00):
but it's like, it's likeadmitting and acknowledging and
I was even talking with a friendtoday about how, like, when
people have an awareness oftheir deficiencies or their
weaknesses or their shortcomingsor whatever it is, it's like
that's that's the best, becauseit's like, if there's an
awareness, something is going tochange.
(26:22):
Is that whole brené brown?
Something is going to change?
Which reminds me I was on aflight recently and I was with a
friend and my friend wasconvinced, convinced that the
woman sitting across the aislefrom us, there was a man in the
aisle seat and then a woman inthe window seat and my friend
(26:42):
was convinced it was Brene Brown.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
oh my gosh, how did I not get a FaceTime during that?
Speaker 1 (26:50):
well, because we were in the air and you can't do
that in the air.
We were so convinced that itwas Brene Brown and then we
realized very quickly at the endof the flight, when we walked
out with the woman, we were like, wow, this is not.
Brene Brown, but it was reallyfun for that.
Like two and a half hours tothink like I am sitting within
three feet of somebody who wequote like on a weekly basis,
(27:13):
like that was really excitingman.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
I was once on a southwest flight with Stedman
Graham Oprah's honey, honey boo,and I couldn't believe he was
on a southwest flight.
I was like if I had y'all'smoney, mama would be on first
class.
But he was not, not, and I evenlooked up his book and looked
at him.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
I was like that's him .
Wow, Amazing.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
While we're at it, we sat next to Snooki's dad at a
bar.
Oh that's true?
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Okay, get this.
We haven't told this story.
On the way to Key West.
We go into like was it a yardhouse no, a bj's brew house.
Yep, and we just went to the bar.
There's football on and I,sarah's on my left and I'm
sitting.
This guy comes up long story,it annoyed the shit out of me.
And he's like can I sit here?
Basically, so he's sittingthere and he's talking to his
(28:06):
son-in-law and he's like loud asshit and, uh, he keeps
apologizing Sorry, I'm from NewYork, sorry, I'm from New York.
And then out of his mouth Ihear him say somebody said have
you ever been to that stadium?
His son-in-law said that and hegoes yeah, snooki played that
stadium.
And I go.
He just say Snooki.
(28:26):
So I look up Snooki's dad and,sure enough, sitting right next
to me in Miami.
So I look up Snooki's dad and,sure enough, sitting right next
to me in Miami, there he was,there he was, that's amazing.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
So tell me Louis Armstrong's daughter.
Do you guys know who that is?
No, is it Natalie Armstrong,adele?
No, it's not.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Adele.
Speaker 6 (28:47):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Natalie Merchant Nope .
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Natalie Armstrong no that's Sharon Preston Folta.
Yes, I, whoever.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Is that right?
I don't know.
I sat.
I sat next to her on a flightwith my sister.
Like this is probably like 15years ago, and and that was when
I still had the practice ofcarrying business cards in my
backpack and carrying CDs of theartists that I work with in my
backpack, so I could spread thegood news of the kingdom of God,
(29:18):
of course, and a Sharpie.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
You always have a Sharpie.
Of course that's not a Sharpie.
That was the closest thing Ihad.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
That was really close , moose, but no cigar.
Anyway, yeah, we were on herher flight.
This is not a good story.
Did you talk to her?
Yes, I gave her, I gave.
I wrote her a postcard.
I was like I really appreciateyour art, I love your music,
like you're wonderful.
These are a few of the artistsI work with.
I hope you have a reallyblessed day, like it was
(29:46):
something like that.
So as I got off the plane Ijust handed it to her and she
was like thank you she probablyjust threw it in the trash, but
sweet, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
Have you ever seen the people that like will be on
a flight and will just like knita bonnet for a baby and then be
like?
Here, you go at the end.
Yeah, wait what?
Speaker 2 (30:07):
they hand it to you.
Just like what if you don'thave a?
Speaker 3 (30:09):
baby.
No, no, like the mom next tothem's just like oh but then,
like at the end of the flight,they're like I made this hat for
your kid.
No, creepy I'm.
I'm not into that at all,that's like that's like
something southern people do andyou're like no, that's don't.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
That's not even her colors number one I, I want to
remind you laced with somethingright, you're not killing my
baby nope not interested.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Honestly, it's creepy .
You brought the yarn.
How did you know I was sittinghere with my child.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
She was gonna knit anyway, connect, oh yeah.
And then she just reaches overand goes can I measure your
baby's head?
Speaker 1 (30:48):
listen, she needed a reason to connect, yeah like I
feel like you guys got a wholelot of energy around this and I
am just left in the dust.
Man she's wrong.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
She's wrong.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
It's weird have you ever experienced that cat?
Speaker 2 (31:02):
no, really okay, no just me, huh, I wrote something
down and I think this might bethe question.
That is my life's work to askpeople in a container that is
safe, which is not here, sothat's why I'm bringing it up.
Wait, no, I mean this would.
This may not be a safecontainer as the podcast for you
(31:25):
guys to answer it, but this issomething I want everyone to
take into their quiet time andtheir prayer closet.
Okay, are you ready?
Speaker 1 (31:34):
It crosses so many not okay boundaries it's so
entertaining.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
It's so entertaining.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Okay, okay, close your eyes.
If you're driving, pull overand close your eyes.
Close your eyes.
What is the thing?
What is the?
Speaker 3 (31:59):
thing in your life that you don't want to tell the
truth about.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Oh damn, I know I had a little smoky smoky session
and I was like that came into mybrain and I wrote that down,
and then I heard the words yourwork starts here.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Wow, what is the thing in your life that you
don't want to tell the truthabout?
Hmm, I mean, you're right, Ican't do that here.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
No no, yeah, I can't do that here, I can't do that
here we shouldn't, should we, Imean I could pick, like a small
thing sure and be like yeah belike I don't want to tell my
weight number.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Oh, shut up, you've got deeper issues than that.
You whore, you stupid whore.
Speaker 5 (32:45):
Just a little internal family systems, work
that needs to be done what is ityou don't want to tell the
truth about?
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Okay, that's write it down internally or on your
phone or wherever you need totalk to your therapist about it.
Write a blog.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
I was going to say like we've got to resource
people, like we can't just dropa grenade like that and then be
like see you next week.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Well, I mean, these people know what to do with it.
Like you, either, take it, putit in your pocket, think about
it or not even think about it.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
You need to feel into it you need to get some cat
davis, touchy touchy, give me abreak and uh and think about.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
What is it that you don't want to tell the truth
about?
Oh man, that was.
That was straight from theheavens, the aliens, straight
from Jupiter guys, into my heartand brain.
I welcomed it.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
I said come now is the time to worship.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Okay, wait, but you're missing the other half of
it.
Yeah, the last part of it isyour work starts there.
So what was the first part?
What's the thing you don't wantto tell the truth about?
Your work starts there, wow.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
Yeah, that's a great challenge.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
But the problem is, you got to decide that you want
to tell the truth Because, guesswhat, you're not going to feel
it.
We know that You're not goingto feel it until you point it
out and go oh there, it is,motherfucker yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
And, like my wound, your boo-boo, be willing to look
at it.
Speaker 5 (34:24):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
And go like.
At first I'm like ugh,disgusted by it.
And within seconds my ughturned to oh no, like by it.
And within seconds my turn tooh, no, like I've got it.
You know, like.
And all of a sudden I hurt andI feel and it was a totally
different expression by beingwilling to examine it, I guess,
yeah, yeah yeah, I'm gonna be ona road trip with my mom.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Tomorrow we're going to our annual family visitation
to real foot lake, um yeah yeah,so that that is tomorrow and um
, or it starts tomorrow and mymom and I are going a little bit
earlier than everybody else, um, and we're doing that so that
we have intentional one-on-onetime to get to just be together
(35:09):
and to talk you know, and andwhen we dropped my sister and
her son off at their house afterthe family visitation yesterday
, we had about 12 minutes in thecar between my sister's house
and my house and then my momdrove another two hours to go
home to Alabama and in that 12minutes my mom and I had the
most beautiful, most intimatetime together, talking about our
(35:32):
feelings.
And I was so excited because Ifelt like when I got to kind of
see her off to drive home toAlabama, I was like, oh, only in
like two or three days I'mgoing to get to do this with her
again, yeah, and have this timewith her again.
And I've thought about, likewhat do I want to talk about?
Like what questions do I wantto ask?
And blah, blah, blah, blah.
And like what do I want to talkabout?
(35:52):
Like what questions do I wantto ask?
And blah, blah, blah, blah.
And I think I'm going to startwith this one, that's great, I
think I'm going to start withthis one.
What, what do you not want totell the truth about?
Holy shit?
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Isn't it such a?
You said it it's a grenade.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
It's a it's a grenade and also give her and myself
both the permission.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
You don't have to answer that on this trip, yeah,
yeah, you know, if you want, andyou don't have to tell me it's
yeah yeah, you can answer it foryourself and not talk to me
about it, and I think it's a.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
It's a very provocative question, moose, you
, you are oh, I like beingprovocative.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
Yeah, whoa, yeah, I'm gonna.
I'm gonna claim that.
Do you know that I once askedan artist that used to manage
you can guess which one howwould you describe me, and they
said well, not nice.
So, instead of answering it,the first words out of their
mouth was not, I'm not going tosay nice is what they were
(36:46):
saying and I was like.
I appreciate that.
I really do like I appreciatethat I really do Like.
I don't want that.
Nice is too fluffy Like I wantto be provocative.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Nice you guys.
I want to challenge us with allof these people dying.
Oh God, I know.
You got to have a little darkhumor, guys.
It doesn't work, otherwise wehave so much life yet to do
whatever we want with it.
Yeah, we legitimately do, andwe think it's over and we're
like, oh well, let's just leanon into the bucket and it's like
(37:19):
nah, man, like what do we wantto do?
Doesn't have to be painful.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
Yeah, I know what I want to do is I want to do more
of this.
Yeah, me too.
Okay, I want to do more of thisbecause this feels like a cross
between, or a cross section ofentertainment group therapy,
healing fun yeah, not on therails Like I like to get to kind
(37:45):
of exist in this, like, yeah,it feels very Wu Wei to me, like
I love it and I want to do moreof it.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Maybe we need to change the name to Off the Rails
or Wu Wei.
I'm down with either of those.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
Yeah, yeah, I think Off the Rails would be more.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
More appropriate.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
Well, I just think people would understand it.
I think there's like threepeople who would go.
Oh, Wu Wei, I know what that is, but they would be our people,
though they would be our people,though they would be our people
, yeah, yeah, maybe we justrepublish our podcast with like
nine different names and seewhich one catches the fastest,
yeah, that's a social mediastrategy right now.
Actually, it's like create amillion accounts that are very
(38:25):
similar but not exactly the same, and see what you can get.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
We would totally get them all hacked, though.
All of them would be hacked andwe would have no businesses
left.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
Hey, let's not manifest that I'm just kidding
Gosh who came out?
Speaker 2 (38:38):
That was a demon.
Get out of here, demon.
Get on out.
Get on out.
Hey, are we watching the superbowl together, or do?
Speaker 1 (38:46):
you have other plans?
Speaker 2 (39:07):
I mean I don't have other plans, I don't have other
friends.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
So great, let's go Well we're coming.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
Well, I don't know anyone, but we could pray about
it.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
Yeah, pray about it.
And I know that was way toolate.
It was all of a sudden, like Iasked you to like cross the San
Francisco.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
Bay Bridge.
You took me to third basebefore I was ready.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
I didn't even kiss you.
I'm so sorry.
We could discuss offline.
Let's discuss it offline.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
Thank you guys for listening.
We are so glad you're back.
Producer Sarah.
Thank you, so excited tocelebrate your creativity and
your podcast called Sequestred,sequestred Go, follow Go listen.
Very excited about that.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
Love you all.
Have a wonderful week.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
Love you, Kat Love you guys, Love you, Moose Love
you, Miss.
Love you Kat.
Love you guys, Love you Moose,Love you, Miss Love you.
Love you Sarah.
Speaker 6 (40:00):
Bye.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
Special thanks to our producer Sarah.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
Reed.
To find out more, go tokatandmoosepodcastcom dot com.
Cat and Moose is a BPproduction.
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