August 21, 2024 • 42 mins
Join Kat, Moose, and Sara in this latest episode as we navigate the quirks of being human, from discussing our "meat collars" to adjusting to the world of video podcasts. Reminisce with us about the annoyingly charming habit of a friend who called everyone "friend," and get a sneak peek into Kat's excitement for the upcoming Podcast Movement convention. We promise you’ll appreciate our humorous take on the importance of safe words!
Our journey continues with deeply personal stories about growing up with parents who struggled with drinking problems. From inappropriate horror movie nights to bagel pranks, we share how these experiences shaped us and the emotional triggers they created. You'll hear about coping mechanisms like not taking things personally and overcoming the fear of people's opinions (FOPO). We reflect on the wisdom gained from being tested by our best selves and discuss how managing our reactions can be a path to healing from past traumas.
Embracing our individuality and intuition, we delve into spiritual connections and the pursuit of personal authenticity. Hear insightful perspectives from Elizabeth Gilbert on seeking God and Alexi Pappas’ physiotherapist on decision-making based on feelings of expansion or contraction. You can see that video here!
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to the cat and moose podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I'm Kat and I'm Moose .
This is a true life podcastwhere we explore the quirks of
being human.
Hey, kat.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Hey Moose hey.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Sarah Hi Hi, welcome, welcome back.
We were just talking about ourmeat callers.
Yes, our what?
Our meat callers?
Speaker 1 (00:29):
this, it's not quite a double chin, it's, it's more
than that a double chin is justa little bit of like a yeah, you
know yeah but, like I wassaying when we were getting our
video stuff ready, which isstill a new thing, if you have
not subscribed to our podcast onYouTube, please do that now.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Also, you can watch video on Spotify and text us.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
I learned that today on my drive here I was listening
to the last episode and I waslike, how am I seeing our faces?
Like that's amazing.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Well, it is amazing, yes, Pretty amazing.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
But as we were getting ready and getting our
cameras adjusted and everything,I was like guys, like, look at
me from the side.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Like whoa it is.
Give it to us, show it to us.
Okay, I was not calling yours ameat color, I was calling mine
no definition.
Oh, last week, the way we hadthe cameras positioned, we're
still learning.
But I just look like I hadswallowed a cat and I said to
(01:38):
Kat, not you like another Kat,but I said to Kat, sarah, tell
me where to put my microphone.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
You need to be able to see your mouth.
Oh, I said to Kat Sarah, tellme where to put my microphone.
You need to be able to see yourmouth.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Oh, I said to you Kat yes, I'm surprised my heart
could still keep beating withthat much goodness around my
neck and I said immediately thesong that came to my head was my
heart will go on Near far,wherever you are.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
I feel like we've gotten way better.
We are Wilson Phillips, I knowI have a feeling on YouTube
we're going to get flagged forthat song because it sounded so
much like.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Celine Dion, Definitely oh definitely yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Oh man, oh man guys.
Well, I'm glad that your heartis still beating.
Me too it makes me very happy.
I love you both so much.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
You are loved as well from my heart.
I love you.
Hey, remember when we had thatfriend back in the day.
I can't give too many detailsbecause people know who it is
and they used to uh call youfriend, like thanks, friend, and
it bothered the shit out of you.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
It still bothers me like there's still a.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
I say it to you sometimes and you're like that
is not okay, it's not okay Idon't enjoy that.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
I don't enjoy the comma, friend, like I.
It just doesn't.
It feels too on the nose, likeit's too.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Okay, but what?
What is it the same voice thatyou use when you are doing body
work and you say would youconsider?
Well, I mean, I think, thatperson that we're speaking of
would say, like you know, you'dbe like hey, are we still doing
that meeting at two o'clock?
And they would say, yes, friend, like doesn't that seem like
(03:54):
that's the voice?
Speaker 1 (03:54):
it does, it is, and I'm I'm saying I don't.
I don't want to think that Iuse that voice as a practitioner
like that makes me feel notgood no, there are people that
talk like that.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Yes yeah yes, yeah, you're not one of them?
Speaker 4 (04:12):
I am not one of them.
No, at least I hope I'm not oneof them if you've been on my
table and I'm one of them.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Please tell me oh, you've been on my table, oh man.
Well, here we are, you're goingon a big adventure this week.
I'm going to the podcastmovement convention.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
I'm so excited for you.
You almost came with me.
I mean, like gosh, if I did, Icould probably still talk you
into it.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
I can feel like that sense of like I could push you
over the edge.
But I realize I should holdthat favor for another time.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Yeah, like some of the things you've had me do
recently, yeah, yeah, like what?
Like you know things I can'tsay on the podcast and now it
sounds like it's been scandalous.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Things I've made you do.
I mean I need to remember mysafe word.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
I need to remember my safe word.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Do you think it's odd to have safe words with people
that aren't your partner?
If you need safe words, butdoesn't that suggest that
something's like wrong?
Speaker 1 (05:20):
I'll use your terminology.
I'm'm very concerned.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
Yeah, exactly, if you need safe words.
I'm concerned.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Red flag.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Yes, yeah, there you go, not a green flag.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Yeah definitely not a green flag.
Speaking of red, I know you'regoing on an adventure this week.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
But you said Sarah said red flag, and it made me
think of Red Book.
And then I got really excited.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Show us what that is exactly yeah, so this is.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
It's called the big red book.
It's the adult children ofalcoholics and dysfunctional
families.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
So if you're listening to this podcast, you
probably can relate toeverything you're gonna.
Really, this is our bible.
This is our bible yeah there,this is.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
This is a bible and um and a red flag.
Um is not what I'm gonna readabout okay um, but I do just
want to read this passage andtell me if it, if it spurs
anything on you okay, friend,friend, isn't that just horrible
?
Speaker 2 (06:20):
yeah, horrible.
It's sort of like you're likeoh you dumb you.
Yeah, it feels a little bitlike you're beneath me.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Yes, yes, you stepping stool of my life you
know, and it's like wow, um,effective counseling methods for
adult children should includethe inner child, which was
affected most by the familydysfunction.
This is a child harmed by shameand parental manipulation.
The symptoms of addiction orcodependence shield the inner
(06:53):
child and make it difficult todiagnose what has happened in
the person's life.
Yeah, most people who've hadthat experience of adult parents
(07:33):
who a propensity tocodependence, addiction, denial
and I just think that'sfascinating, like how that's
connected.
Yeah, you seem very interested.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
My brain, my adhd brain, is going a million
different ways.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Okay, we're tell me one of the directions it went
well, okay.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
So do you have memories of we're gonna go deep
here for a sec do you havememories of your father quote
unquote being an alcoholic?
Speaker 1 (08:07):
I really don't.
I mean, I have a couple of like.
I remember one of the firsttherapists I went to when I came
to Nashville.
I remember talking to her andtelling her that I was
frustrated that I couldn'tremember complete stories from
my childhood and was like that'svery common.
Oftentimes it's kind of like a,if you think of, like a movie
(08:28):
film strip, like one of theanalog film strips.
She said oftentimes what weremember are just frames that's
so true frame, so we don'tremember like a whole sequence
of events, and those are some ofthe things, like I remember
seeing my dad, like drinkingbeer and having a cigarette on
the couch late at night, when Iwasn't supposed to get out of
bed, you know, and I woke up and, for whatever reason, went in
(08:51):
there and I'm like, well, thisis not normal, you know, and it
probably was normal, I justdidn't know that like that's
what was going on.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
So I have a handful of memories like that, a handful
of of memories like that, and Iremember like we ordered from
the beer truck in germany likethe one that I used to be the
guard and I would have my fakemachine gun and that guy would
let me ride with him all aroundthe neighborhood while he was
delivering beer.
I mean, we got, we gave a caseof empty beer bottles to him and
got a case of full beer bottles, like those were being consumed
(09:22):
by someone and it wasn't my mom, and it wasn't me and my sister
, you know.
So I have those kind of memories.
What about you?
Speaker 2 (09:30):
uh, similar, like I didn't.
My dad was never like um.
My dad was never like um anangry drunk or a funny drunk.
He just sort of passed out.
I remember him passing out alot, really, yeah, and not like
faint pass out and not blackoutdrunk, I don't think.
(09:50):
I think he just would have afew drinks and then fall asleep
on the couch.
The problem was that we wouldgo to the movie store and pick
out movies to watch while he was, you know, asleep on the couch
and we were like watching umnightmare on elm street I was
(10:10):
gonna say like nc-17, yeah, likefriday the 13th, like super
scary horror movies as likechildren, yes
yes, and so you know I can'tpoint to anything of like there
was necessarily neglect, but theyou know my parents were
divorced.
We were only spending summersand Christmases with my dad and
(10:32):
luckily my grandmother was a bigpart of like making sure things
felt normal.
Yeah, but I'm with you Like,even though I know my dad had a
drinking problem.
He eventually quit drinking, uh, many, many years in.
But um, I remember at one pointmy sister and I he was so
(10:53):
passed out and snoring we tookthese bagels and dipped them in
strawberry cream cheese and wewould just lift up his lips and
set them in there and see howmany we could get inside of his
mouth.
There's just clumps of bagel.
That's a.
That's one of those snapshots,for me.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Yeah, isn't it strange, the stuff that we go
through growing up and it's like, like you said, how is our, how
are our hearts still beating, Idon't know.
Well, I think there's been somegood stuff along the way.
Maybe that's, maybe that's partof why.
Well, I think there's been somegood stuff along the way.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Maybe that's part of why.
Let me say one thing that tiesinto what you shared.
I saw this Instagram post thisweek and it said be grateful for
triggers.
They point you where you arenot free.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Ooh, that's good, yeah, yeah, wow, it's, it's.
It reminds me of um.
I was in a body workappointment this week as the the
client and I was talking abouthow I'm going through this like
and we talked about it on thepodcast last week about how I'm
going through really, it beingreally loud for me when people
(12:00):
take things personally and howmuch I take things personally
and nine times out of 10, it hasnothing to do with me, or it
has nothing to do with thatperson that took things
personally and and mypractitioner said she goes, you
know a recovery phrase aboutthat, don't you?
And I was like what?
And she's like if you spot it,you got it.
(12:21):
That's so good.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
You know, I learned a phrase this week in relation to
giving a crap what people think.
Um, and it was FOPO instead oflike FOMO, and it's fear of
people's opinions.
Oh, that's good.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
It is good.
No, I'm struggling with FOPOyeah.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
There's this book.
I'll talk more about it, butthere's this book that's a
Harvard Harvard Harvard businessreview book that I just got.
That is all about FOPO and howto like, not worry about what it
is that people think, wow,that's really good.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Do you remember that book?
One of our friends recommendedit to both of us a couple of
years ago and it was called theart of not giving a fuck.
Do you remember?
Speaker 2 (13:05):
that I still have it.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
I read most of it.
I didn't read all of it, but Iread most of it and it's really
just about that, you know.
It's just about like, hey, ifwe're going to be worried about
what everybody thinks all thetime, then we're we're going to
be in a little uh, gerbil wheel.
That's what that's going to feellike and that reminds me of, um
, we've got some great friends,like the three of us have got
(13:28):
some great friends, and I was inthe car with one of our great
friends and I was talking abouta situation where I said, you
know, I said this is going tosound narcissistic, but I kind
of am waiting for somebody topull back the curtain and go.
You did it, kat.
You finally passed the test.
(13:50):
You did all the hard thingsthat you've been saying you want
to do and saying you need to doand you finally did it.
You finally did it.
And our friend said to me shegoes, you are being given that
test by your best self.
Okay, explain that Well to me.
(14:12):
She was saying, like, your bestself knows that this situation
is not resolved.
Your best self knows that youcan do better in order to to
take yourself out of a of a notgood situation, and so, instead
(14:33):
of me feeling like I'm ondisplay to the world, who's
testing me to see if I'm finallygot life figured out or
whatever?
It's like I'm not being testedby anybody, yeah, other than the
most authentic best me oh yeah,and back to your point of you
spot it.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
You got it to some degree.
I believe that we are justversions of ourselves.
Like you are a version of me,and so if you annoy me or hurt
my feelings or whatever, ifthere's conflict between us, you
(15:10):
might have some things going onwhere you're pushing my buttons
, but ultimately that doesn'tmatter.
It matters how I manage whatcomes out of you, and it's like
we try so hard to manage otherpeople.
And I mean I was reading thatone of the um, one of the
symptoms of trauma is whenyou're in a room and you read
(15:33):
people and then you even changewhere you're headed.
Or when you're in a room and youread people and then you even
change where you're headed orwhat you're like say that I'm
doing like uh, I'm sharingsomething about Enneagram on
zoom and I start seeing peoplelike checking out a little bit,
or even just one personsometimes, and all of a sudden
I'm like, oh, you need to saysomething funny to get them
hooked back in and that wholedance is a whole thing of like I
(15:59):
want to keep the connection.
If I don't keep the connection,then something's wrong, when
really no, if I'm bringing whatI feel called to bring every day
, whether that is just what Igot, or my best self or love, or
whatever I'm bringing is justwhat I got, or my best self or
love or whatever I'm bringingthat should be enough, but we
(16:22):
can't stay in our own damnbubbles.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
No, I know, it's that whole be your own snowman thing
.
It's the whole.
Like.
This is where I end and youbegin, and I have a great
awareness of where that you knowline or boundary is, and it's
like I don't know why that's sohard.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
It is hard.
I love that everything we'retalking about is flowing into
stuff.
I have, um, this other quotethat I was inspired by as a
Georgia O'Keeffe quote, and umit says I have done nothing all
summer, but wait for myself tobe myself again.
Oh, I know, that's how I felt.
That's so good.
(16:55):
I've done nothing all summer,but wait for myself to be myself
again.
Wow.
And then I, I like, did thislittle.
Why does that mean so much tome?
And the phrase I wrote is I'min constant pursuit of myself.
I love that and I feel that way.
Yeah, Lately especially,there's a phrase it might be
(17:17):
Hafiz or someone like that, butit says something like I search
for God, like someone with theirhead on fire searches for water
.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
It's something to that point.
I probably butchered it, sarah.
Maybe you could like pray aboutit and tell us what it really
says.
But all that to say is thereare some people in religious
circles who have this huge feararound us spending too much time
(17:49):
on ourselves, and it's aboutGod and Jesus and and you know,
don't be too selfish and becomejust this whatever, whatever, um
.
however, I believe if God is inus and we were created by the
universe and God and all ofthose things, then it's okay to
(18:11):
be on con in constant pursuit.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
It's okay to be on constant pursuit of ourselves.
Well done, wow.
Your inner chinese, uh, ancientguru, just I agree jumped back
into this body that was amazing.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Yeah, and that person's name is samu s-a-m-u s
S-A-M-U.
It just came up.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Hi Samu Samu.
Are you friends with the YellowEmperor?
I can be.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
If that creates more connection.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
That was an emotional bid for connection.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Oh, Sarah's got something for us.
Oh, it's not Hafiz, although Ido feel like she's quoting
someone, but it says it'selizabeth gilbert.
Look for god.
Look for god, like a man withhis head on fire looks for water
.
I do think that's a quote fromsomeone else she stole what a
great quote.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Yeah, it's a great.
It's a great quote and I thinkthat if we're, if if you do have
the belief and and I think alot of people listening do that
in some way shape or form, weare partly a a result of our
parents, like our genetics, andwe are partly a result of divine
(19:29):
, you know, and in Dallasphilosophy in in particular,
it's like you're a quarter mom,a quarter dad, half God.
Oh, interesting, you know.
And so it's like if that is thecase and we're pursuing God,
then I would think we would bepursuing first and foremost the
God within us.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Well and if?
If we are truly created unique,which I've said this a million
times over but why would we notcelebrate that uniqueness and
yet we try so hard to be likeothers?
To fit in when, really, I thinkthere are people looking for us
(20:11):
.
There are people looking for usand the only way that they will
find that connection with Godis if we are willing to be
ourselves.
Yes, and they are inspired bythat to be themselves, yes.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
You said you had some stuff to show us this week.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Some things to show you.
Oh, I do have some things.
I was thinking of the lastthing I'm like not yet Okay
Speaking of being ourselves andknowing when a yes is a yes and
a no is a no.
Can you play the firstInstagram goodness that I found?
(20:49):
And also, will you give uscredit for who?
This?
Speaker 3 (20:53):
is Okay, stacey underscore.
Gray posted this, butapparently this is at Alexi
Papas.
Okay, she's a physiotherapist.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
I think you've only ever been thinking about your
life in terms of good for me,bad for me, productive,
unproductive.
And she said every cell in ourbody when it's happy or safe, it
expands and moves toward, andthat's like the feeling of
having a crush on someone.
Or when someone's like let's goout to sushi, and you're like,
(21:26):
yes, like that's a really it's aknown feeling that we have.
And she said it's cellularEvery cell.
When it's unsafe, it contractsand moves away.
And that's what you feel whensomebody puts food in front of
you that you're allergic to orhave had food poisoning or
something you know, that feelingof like I just won't eat.
That she said.
I want you to start thinkingabout your life in terms of are
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these decisions expansive orcontractive to me?
Or now I think about it as do Ihave a crush on this decision?
Contractive to me, or now Ithink about it as do I have a
crush on this decision?
And once I started doing that,it made decisions a lot easier
for me and I started to actuallyevolve without overthinking the
decisions I was making anddoing things that like were
surprising to me wow, isn't thatgood.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Do I have a crush on this decision?
That's exactly what I wrotedown, oh my gosh.
And it's so interesting becausesame wise friend, um, who was
with me on the way to lunch theother day, I was telling her
about a possible opportunity.
I have coming up and and I saidI think I want to do it, like
so-and-so wants me to do it andso-and-so wants me to do it,
what do you think about it?
(22:30):
And she was like I think it'sgreat if you want to do it.
If you want to do it, yeah, andit just made me think for like
a split second, like I haven'teven really thought about if I
want to do that.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Yeah, I don't think to Enneagram twos.
Think about that.
You're like so and so wants meto, so I probably should.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Yeah, and it's like if I, if I were to think about
this situation and go, do I havea crush on that?
Speaker 2 (22:56):
I would say no, right , like you have a crush on the
potential connection that couldhappen yes, you know me so well.
Well, it's well, yeah, andthere's no shame in any of that.
The problem is is when we havea connection to an outcome and
not just the process.
Yeah, yeah, that's when it goeswhirly.
Yep, yeah, squirrely and whirlyI was thinking I said something
(23:20):
in last week's podcast.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
I said something that that meant one thing.
What I, what I was trying todescribe, was one thing, but the
word I said did not mean that.
Yeah, and I kept using it.
It was kind of like when I wasgoing, chicken tenders, chicken
tenders oh yeah and I just keptyelling wings, wings which, by
the way, I've thought about thissince last week and I feel more
(23:46):
and more angry.
Oh that this woman vera, Ithink, was her name, oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
Vera Liddell.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Yes that she ordered $11 million of chicken wings or
something like that.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
I think it was 11.5.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
11.5 and is now serving nine years of prison
sentence.
No.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
We have an update.
Oh, do you have?
Speaker 3 (24:09):
an update.
I'm trying to pull it up rightnow.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
She's going to pull up the update.
Keep going.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Well, I was just thinking how angry I am yeah
that there was no consequencefrom my hacker well, I noticed
that some anger came up for youlast week like it really and I
and I knew it made me mad lastweek but the more I've thought
about it is I'm like there isactually a justice system that
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has said to this woman you havestolen from children.
You have stolen chicken wingsfrom children.
That's not okay.
I agree that that's not okay.
Right, the same justice systemcould not help me in any way.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Agreed and I think you're going to have to let go
of that.
Thanks, well, no, I just I'mjust saying it's it's not gonna
go well, but you might be gladto hear that that.
Norma.
Can you read us the update for?
Speaker 3 (25:04):
sure you the same person.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
I need more shoulders of you oh, there you go yeah,
you look like a little headsticking up.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
They get a little crooked from time to time.
I love you so much, sarah, Ilove you too okay, the same
person that wrote in amandaabout the chicken wing yes,
fight, feist, heist, heist,great band though yes, um, she
(25:35):
wrote in again and said andanother one Breaking Kansas City
Chiefs star, chris Jones, saysthat he will pay one point five
million dollars worth of stolenchicken wings by an Illinois
school worker to help her getreleased from jail.
So wait, yeah, so basically thisguy from the Chiefss maybe she
(25:57):
couldn't afford the bail, so hadto go to jail oh anyway, he's
willing to pay a hundred amillion, 1.5 million dollars to
help pay for some of the wingsso I think she doesn't have to
go to jail is the point.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Why would he do that?
I don't know.
I mean, I think it's fantastic.
Maybe he is also a big fan ofwings and he read the story
teacher or something oh yeahwell, I think she's a cafeteria
jones
Speaker 1 (26:29):
chris jones.
Chris jones, I'm calling out tochris jones, from the cat and
moose podcast, from the animalden itself if you have got 1.55
million that you are willing todonate to this woman who stole
$1.5 million worth of chickenwings no $11.5,.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
I think.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Oh, $11.5 million, God, that's so much chicken, the
poor chickens Okay, this is twodays ago.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Chicken, the poor chickens Okay, this is two days
ago.
Nfl star Chris Jones offers topay $1.5 million worth of stolen
chicken wings after cafeteriaworker is sentenced.
Vera Liddell says my fate is inGod's hands.
Oh, that's what she told herlawyer shortly before Kansas
City Chiefs defensive tackletweeted his offer.
(27:20):
Oh, he tweeted it.
Hey, that's one way to do it,could you?
Could you, sarah?
You got to put this up there,you guys.
He said I'll pay for the wingshe stole to get her free.
Oh, oh my gosh, I'm sendingthis to you.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Well, that is so sweet on the screen and, like I
said in the meantime, chris, ifyou want to send some money to
some people who could really useit, I.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
There's a picture of vera and I love her oh, vera, my
girl.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Oh, I love her so much.
Okay, she is Vera, let's see.
And her wings.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
Those might not be her wings, they might just be a
picture of wings.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Yeah, like were the wings sauced already.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Were they breaded sauced raw Right.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
Hopefully not.
She can do whatever she wants,right, she can have different
varieties.
My thought is, maybe she knowssomeone like family member,
somebody owns a restaurant, like, who needs that many, like Kat,
on the, on the episode you werecounting out it was six months
over the course of six monthsshe stole that many, yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
And I think we, we said there's 36 wings per case
and she sold.
No, she stole.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
I don't remember the number I came up with, but it
was a lot.
Okay, this is the messed uppart.
I was stunned.
This is her lawyer.
I've been doing this for 42years and I've never heard
anything like this.
The lawyer spent a good deal oftime on the phone, waiting on
hold, trying to contact thechiefs, before he says he was
disconnected.
Then he says he got a call fromsomeone he believes to be
(29:07):
representing jones.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
I hope everything works out so we can get her out,
but she is supposed to be injail until 2029 at at least yeah
, I mean, and while I I agreelike commit a crime, have a
sentence, like I get it, like II believe in like that concept
(29:28):
sure, and I just think that likethe fact that our justice
system can enforce that kind ofpenalty on her yeah but not on
some other more common mundanecrimes, is very frustrating to
me.
It makes me feel like our um,our justice, our justice system
(29:49):
is amorphous yeah, do you agree?
Speaker 2 (29:53):
amorphous, amorphous, don't know it.
This is cat's vocabulary wordamorphous.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Amorphous this is a new word that I learned, so
let's pick it apart.
So when you think of somethingmorphing yes, it's morphing into
a butterfly right, it wassomething that is defined, right
?
Speaker 2 (30:13):
so amorphous oh, amorphous Is undefined.
Oh, so it is a spirit you canunsee.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Yes For you.
Yes, Maybe that's what it is.
It's basically anything that'sundefined.
That doesn't mean anything tome.
That's because it's amorphous.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
But give me an example, a concrete, amorphous-y
example.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Okay, amorphousy example.
Okay, so, for example, thecharacter known as the holy
spirit, most would say, is avery amorphous character because
you can't pin them down.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
Is it a him pin?
Speaker 1 (30:52):
them down.
Is it a them?
They right, it's just undefined.
It's like.
It's like the holy spirit.
We know that it or we believeif.
If we're Christian people, webelieve that it is a character,
it is a thing, but it's not.
It's not really defined.
But what is the morph part?
It's, it's amorphous.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
So it's like like uh, it can't be morphed.
Yeah, Like it.
Yeah, Kind of yes.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
Like asexual.
Can't be morphed yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Like it.
Yeah, kind of yes Like a sexual, great yes Like a sexual, yeah.
So basically it means a sexual.
Okay, got it, thank you.
That's all I've been trying tosay for 10 minutes.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
God guys just ask me we're, we're education tutoring
podcast Um so amorphous meansasexual.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
We don't know if that's true or not, but that's
the kind of podcast you'relistening to, yes, and while
we're on really scientific,really important things, you
asked me today how my foot was.
Yes, and my foot still reallyhurts.
My right foot was injuredalmost five years ago and has
just not been the same eversince.
And um, I'm seeing this neurochiropractor, Dr Tyler Hurst.
We've talked about the brainhealth clinics here in Nashville
(32:06):
and um, he did some work on myfoot last week and said that he
is suspicious about.
He didn't use the wordsuspicious, he said I suspect
similar word.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
The kids call that sus.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
I'm sus.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Your laugh is like Sus Sus.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
So he susses, he susses that my, my perineal
nerve, your perineum.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Not the perineum.
Oh I, I was like, why is hepoking around there?
Speaker 1 (32:45):
he's not poking around anywhere near there.
Well, he did do a cold laser onmy sacrum, so that's relatively
close but, um, anyway, the, theperineal nerve I think I'm
saying that right it beginsactually in the sciatic nerve
and it goes from the sciaticnerve down your hip, the hip and
(33:08):
the side and the backs of theleg that's what all my pain is.
And then it does this wrappingthing in the muscles.
And he was basically saying,like, in his opinion, that nerve
has gotten like super likedamaged and tangled and so what
we're trying to do is stretch itout and let it.
Let it kind of stretch out anduntangle.
(33:33):
And when he was doing all thiswork on my foot, trying to work
on the very end of that nerve,said to me when you go home
tonight or tomorrow morning, youmight have lower back pain.
And I was like you're crazy,you're working on my foot,
interesting, like how am I gonnahave lower back pain?
And I'll be damned if I didn'tget home, do my exercises I was
(33:55):
supposed to do that night, getin bed.
The next morning I woke up andI had lower back pain.
That is wild and I'm like okay,like that's connected.
So I've been doing all theseexercises to try and stretch and
untangle that nerve and he'ssaying that if we effectively
together do that, you won't needsurgery I might not I don't
(34:15):
think you should get surgery.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Well, thanks, I don't want to get surgery.
I've had so many.
I my mom truly believes she waslike don't do it.
And I know some people needsurgery.
Let me say that.
But if you could do thatwithout surgery, that'd be
incredible.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Yes, I'm doing everything he told me to do.
All the supplements, I'm doingthe exercises, I'm playing
little brain games.
I've got this little ADHD gamethat he didn't recommend, but I
think it's helping me what's thename of it again?
Speaker 2 (34:44):
it's called impulse are you.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
I can't wait to try it.
No, I've downloaded it, but Ihaven't started yet.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
I'm obsessed with it do you take anything for your
adhd?
No, no, do you not think youhave it?
I don't know.
Oh, I don't know I definitelythey gave me something and it
didn't do anything for me.
Was it Adderall?
No, it was like.
It was like just give her thisplacebo, like I think it was
like a gummy bear.
Yeah, not like a gummy.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
Yeah, not like a sleep gummy Right.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Yeah, or a weed gummy .
That's what I.
Oh, didn't you have an audiovoice memo that you wanted to
share with us?
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Well, I thought I did , but it wasn't as juicy as I
thought it was.
You sure?
Yeah, no, I'm really sure.
I was sitting out beside mypool the other night and letting
my injured foot just kind offloat in the water and I took
this little poetic journey withmyself around Chinese five
(35:43):
element theory in the seasonsthat's amazing and I talked
about how the leaves werebringing their, their essence of
late summer to the waterelement.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
And I like I got sounds like hey, that voice was
coming out.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
Oh yes, the the you might consider friend.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
You you might consider Friend.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
You might consider Friend.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
It's like you roll your R's.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
Friend.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Friend, it's so dirty .
What's the scritchy scratchything that you always say?
Scritchy scratchy, what are you?
Speaker 3 (36:20):
saying that, for it's just when the cats use the
scratch pad and they really goodafter it.
And it reminds me of them goingscratchy, scratchy, scratchy
scratchy.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
That's fantastic.
So this voicemail wasn't asjuicy as you had hoped it really
wasn't.
You often will like kind ofjournal verbally.
I do In the evenings yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Because I really, really like to verbally process,
yeah, and I can imagine thatthere are some humans who would
enjoy listening to me doing that, like I can imagine that that's
a possibility that could be itsown podcast.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Really, it probably could, yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
Definitely.
Speaker 4 (37:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
I think there might be three people interested in it
, and I really do enjoy justlike kind of verbally, working
my shit out over journal.
And that's one of the thingsthat that this doctor has told
me to do is.
He's like I want you to have ajournal of some kind, and it's
like I started trying to do itfor a few days with writing and
I'm like, ah, and I was like no,I'm just going to do these like
(37:22):
audio or video journals andit's really, really helped me a
lot.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
I love it.
I've enjoyed it.
I love it.
I um have saved a few that youhave sent and shared with us,
and um those will be played atyour funeral if I'm alive and
you're not Okay.
I had a friend the other daysay do you realize that not all
of us will attend each other'sfunerals?
And that freaked me out.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Yeah, what a morbid thought, but it's true.
Yeah, like either.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
I'm going to yours or you're going to mine.
Awful yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Unless we die together.
On a plane, yeah, or in a car,yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Or yeah or any.
However, we could do for thethelma and louise the three of
us.
And then the podcast finallyblows up.
Yes, the moment they died, thepress release says like go back
and listen to all eight seasonsyes um, I would love to.
I would love to end this week'spodcast with, um, the last link
that I sent you, sar, sarah,don't look just yet.
But, kat, when I saw this, Ithought of you and then I
(38:26):
thought, sarah, you're kind ofnerdy as well, yeah, and you
might like this as well.
So this, if you guys want it,it could be a Christmas gift.
Oh, they're called anatomysweaters.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
Oh, Look at that.
Wow, well, look at that, that'sactually pretty stunning.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
You guys, can you describe to our non-video
listeners what is happening?
Cat's face.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
So what's happening here?
So so, okay, that's beautiful.
Wow, oh, I'm so fascinated withthe body, so, yes, I laughed so
hard when I saw that last night.
There has to be one with allthe energetic meridians on?
Speaker 2 (39:13):
I would think so, so I'm gonna need it.
Basically, could you put itback up?
Yeah, we need to describe tothe audio only people.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
What we're looking at , we're looking at a very
slender woman with long straighthair who's wearing like a mock
turtleneck, uh-huh and.
But it's like knitted.
It's knitted and sweater thedesign yeah, it's like a sweater
.
The design in one of these isshowing like her skeletal system
on the inside, and then one isshowing like the intestine and
(39:45):
one is showing the lungs and oneis showing the what are?
Speaker 2 (39:49):
those up on the shoulders maybe those are lymph
they're called anatomy sweaters.
Anatomy sweat but again, I lovethe comments here.
Sw Swiss mechanic, swissmechanical Marvel said you have
to have guts to wear that.
This is the most bizarre thingI've seen in a while.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
Geez, can someone help me unsee this?
Speaker 2 (40:13):
I mean what's so crazy is like would you really
wear that like with gutssomewhere?
Speaker 1 (40:21):
I would wear it to class Like without question.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
Yeah, or like a holiday party.
Someone else said yeah, like anugly sweater.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
Let's all get one for ugly clothes.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
Yeah, great idea.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
We can put little bows on the intestines.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
I was going to say we can put a little jingle bell.
Little lights around the ribswe can put like a screw in there
.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
Oh that's good.
Yeah, it's really good.
I swallowed a screw once.
I know you did.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
There's a nail wild yeah, I remember that story.
You told it on the podcast.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
Oh, I think, like year two.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
This is a podcast where we repeat stories over and
over so don't worry about goingback and listening, you'll hear
it again.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Well, guys, well, well, it's over, it's over.
Thanks for coming.
Thanks for being here.
Cat and moose podcast you canfollow us everywhere where
podcasts are available, as wellas video on youtube and spotify
YouTube and Spotify.
Speaker 3 (41:29):
How long are you going to hold that pose Sarah?
Speaker 1 (41:37):
Special thanks to our producer, Sarah Reed.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
To find out more, go to catandmoosepodcastcom.
Cat and Moose is a BPProduction.
Welcome to the cat and moose podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I'm Kat and I'm Moose .
This is a true life podcastwhere we explore the quirks of
being human.
Hey, kat.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Hey Moose hey.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Sarah Hi Hi, welcome, welcome back.
We were just talking about ourmeat callers.
Yes, our what?
Our meat callers?
Speaker 1 (00:29):
this, it's not quite a double chin, it's, it's more
than that a double chin is justa little bit of like a yeah, you
know yeah but, like I wassaying when we were getting our
video stuff ready, which isstill a new thing, if you have
not subscribed to our podcast onYouTube, please do that now.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Also, you can watch video on Spotify and text us.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
I learned that today on my drive here I was listening
to the last episode and I waslike, how am I seeing our faces?
Like that's amazing.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Well, it is amazing, yes, Pretty amazing.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
But as we were getting ready and getting our
cameras adjusted and everything,I was like guys, like, look at
me from the side.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Like whoa it is.
Give it to us, show it to us.
Okay, I was not calling yours ameat color, I was calling mine
no definition.
Oh, last week, the way we hadthe cameras positioned, we're
still learning.
But I just look like I hadswallowed a cat and I said to
(01:38):
Kat, not you like another Kat,but I said to Kat, sarah, tell
me where to put my microphone.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
You need to be able to see your mouth.
Oh, I said to Kat Sarah, tellme where to put my microphone.
You need to be able to see yourmouth.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Oh, I said to you Kat yes, I'm surprised my heart
could still keep beating withthat much goodness around my
neck and I said immediately thesong that came to my head was my
heart will go on Near far,wherever you are.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
I feel like we've gotten way better.
We are Wilson Phillips, I knowI have a feeling on YouTube
we're going to get flagged forthat song because it sounded so
much like.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Celine Dion, Definitely oh definitely yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Oh man, oh man guys.
Well, I'm glad that your heartis still beating.
Me too it makes me very happy.
I love you both so much.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
You are loved as well from my heart.
I love you.
Hey, remember when we had thatfriend back in the day.
I can't give too many detailsbecause people know who it is
and they used to uh call youfriend, like thanks, friend, and
it bothered the shit out of you.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
It still bothers me like there's still a.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
I say it to you sometimes and you're like that
is not okay, it's not okay Idon't enjoy that.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
I don't enjoy the comma, friend, like I.
It just doesn't.
It feels too on the nose, likeit's too.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Okay, but what?
What is it the same voice thatyou use when you are doing body
work and you say would youconsider?
Well, I mean, I think, thatperson that we're speaking of
would say, like you know, you'dbe like hey, are we still doing
that meeting at two o'clock?
And they would say, yes, friend, like doesn't that seem like
(03:54):
that's the voice?
Speaker 1 (03:54):
it does, it is, and I'm I'm saying I don't.
I don't want to think that Iuse that voice as a practitioner
like that makes me feel notgood no, there are people that
talk like that.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Yes yeah yes, yeah, you're not one of them?
Speaker 4 (04:12):
I am not one of them.
No, at least I hope I'm not oneof them if you've been on my
table and I'm one of them.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Please tell me oh, you've been on my table, oh man.
Well, here we are, you're goingon a big adventure this week.
I'm going to the podcastmovement convention.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
I'm so excited for you.
You almost came with me.
I mean, like gosh, if I did, Icould probably still talk you
into it.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
I can feel like that sense of like I could push you
over the edge.
But I realize I should holdthat favor for another time.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Yeah, like some of the things you've had me do
recently, yeah, yeah, like what?
Like you know things I can'tsay on the podcast and now it
sounds like it's been scandalous.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Things I've made you do.
I mean I need to remember mysafe word.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
I need to remember my safe word.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Do you think it's odd to have safe words with people
that aren't your partner?
If you need safe words, butdoesn't that suggest that
something's like wrong?
Speaker 1 (05:20):
I'll use your terminology.
I'm'm very concerned.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
Yeah, exactly, if you need safe words.
I'm concerned.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Red flag.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Yes, yeah, there you go, not a green flag.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Yeah definitely not a green flag.
Speaking of red, I know you'regoing on an adventure this week.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
But you said Sarah said red flag, and it made me
think of Red Book.
And then I got really excited.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Show us what that is exactly yeah, so this is.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
It's called the big red book.
It's the adult children ofalcoholics and dysfunctional
families.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
So if you're listening to this podcast, you
probably can relate toeverything you're gonna.
Really, this is our bible.
This is our bible yeah there,this is.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
This is a bible and um and a red flag.
Um is not what I'm gonna readabout okay um, but I do just
want to read this passage andtell me if it, if it spurs
anything on you okay, friend,friend, isn't that just horrible
?
Speaker 2 (06:20):
yeah, horrible.
It's sort of like you're likeoh you dumb you.
Yeah, it feels a little bitlike you're beneath me.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Yes, yes, you stepping stool of my life you
know, and it's like wow, um,effective counseling methods for
adult children should includethe inner child, which was
affected most by the familydysfunction.
This is a child harmed by shameand parental manipulation.
The symptoms of addiction orcodependence shield the inner
(06:53):
child and make it difficult todiagnose what has happened in
the person's life.
Yeah, most people who've hadthat experience of adult parents
(07:33):
who a propensity tocodependence, addiction, denial
and I just think that'sfascinating, like how that's
connected.
Yeah, you seem very interested.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
My brain, my adhd brain, is going a million
different ways.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Okay, we're tell me one of the directions it went
well, okay.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
So do you have memories of we're gonna go deep
here for a sec do you havememories of your father quote
unquote being an alcoholic?
Speaker 1 (08:07):
I really don't.
I mean, I have a couple of like.
I remember one of the firsttherapists I went to when I came
to Nashville.
I remember talking to her andtelling her that I was
frustrated that I couldn'tremember complete stories from
my childhood and was like that'svery common.
Oftentimes it's kind of like a,if you think of, like a movie
(08:28):
film strip, like one of theanalog film strips.
She said oftentimes what weremember are just frames that's
so true frame, so we don'tremember like a whole sequence
of events, and those are some ofthe things, like I remember
seeing my dad, like drinkingbeer and having a cigarette on
the couch late at night, when Iwasn't supposed to get out of
bed, you know, and I woke up and, for whatever reason, went in
(08:51):
there and I'm like, well, thisis not normal, you know, and it
probably was normal, I justdidn't know that like that's
what was going on.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
So I have a handful of memories like that, a handful
of of memories like that, and Iremember like we ordered from
the beer truck in germany likethe one that I used to be the
guard and I would have my fakemachine gun and that guy would
let me ride with him all aroundthe neighborhood while he was
delivering beer.
I mean, we got, we gave a caseof empty beer bottles to him and
got a case of full beer bottles, like those were being consumed
(09:22):
by someone and it wasn't my mom, and it wasn't me and my sister
, you know.
So I have those kind of memories.
What about you?
Speaker 2 (09:30):
uh, similar, like I didn't.
My dad was never like um.
My dad was never like um anangry drunk or a funny drunk.
He just sort of passed out.
I remember him passing out alot, really, yeah, and not like
faint pass out and not blackoutdrunk, I don't think.
(09:50):
I think he just would have afew drinks and then fall asleep
on the couch.
The problem was that we wouldgo to the movie store and pick
out movies to watch while he was, you know, asleep on the couch
and we were like watching umnightmare on elm street I was
(10:10):
gonna say like nc-17, yeah, likefriday the 13th, like super
scary horror movies as likechildren, yes
yes, and so you know I can'tpoint to anything of like there
was necessarily neglect, but theyou know my parents were
divorced.
We were only spending summersand Christmases with my dad and
(10:32):
luckily my grandmother was a bigpart of like making sure things
felt normal.
Yeah, but I'm with you Like,even though I know my dad had a
drinking problem.
He eventually quit drinking, uh, many, many years in.
But um, I remember at one pointmy sister and I he was so
(10:53):
passed out and snoring we tookthese bagels and dipped them in
strawberry cream cheese and wewould just lift up his lips and
set them in there and see howmany we could get inside of his
mouth.
There's just clumps of bagel.
That's a.
That's one of those snapshots,for me.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Yeah, isn't it strange, the stuff that we go
through growing up and it's like, like you said, how is our, how
are our hearts still beating, Idon't know.
Well, I think there's been somegood stuff along the way.
Maybe that's, maybe that's partof why.
Well, I think there's been somegood stuff along the way.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Maybe that's part of why.
Let me say one thing that tiesinto what you shared.
I saw this Instagram post thisweek and it said be grateful for
triggers.
They point you where you arenot free.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Ooh, that's good, yeah, yeah, wow, it's, it's.
It reminds me of um.
I was in a body workappointment this week as the the
client and I was talking abouthow I'm going through this like
and we talked about it on thepodcast last week about how I'm
going through really, it beingreally loud for me when people
(12:00):
take things personally and howmuch I take things personally
and nine times out of 10, it hasnothing to do with me, or it
has nothing to do with thatperson that took things
personally and and mypractitioner said she goes, you
know a recovery phrase aboutthat, don't you?
And I was like what?
And she's like if you spot it,you got it.
(12:21):
That's so good.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
You know, I learned a phrase this week in relation to
giving a crap what people think.
Um, and it was FOPO instead oflike FOMO, and it's fear of
people's opinions.
Oh, that's good.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
It is good.
No, I'm struggling with FOPOyeah.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
There's this book.
I'll talk more about it, butthere's this book that's a
Harvard Harvard Harvard businessreview book that I just got.
That is all about FOPO and howto like, not worry about what it
is that people think, wow,that's really good.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Do you remember that book?
One of our friends recommendedit to both of us a couple of
years ago and it was called theart of not giving a fuck.
Do you remember?
Speaker 2 (13:05):
that I still have it.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
I read most of it.
I didn't read all of it, but Iread most of it and it's really
just about that, you know.
It's just about like, hey, ifwe're going to be worried about
what everybody thinks all thetime, then we're we're going to
be in a little uh, gerbil wheel.
That's what that's going to feellike and that reminds me of, um
, we've got some great friends,like the three of us have got
(13:28):
some great friends, and I was inthe car with one of our great
friends and I was talking abouta situation where I said, you
know, I said this is going tosound narcissistic, but I kind
of am waiting for somebody topull back the curtain and go.
You did it, kat.
You finally passed the test.
(13:50):
You did all the hard thingsthat you've been saying you want
to do and saying you need to doand you finally did it.
You finally did it.
And our friend said to me shegoes, you are being given that
test by your best self.
Okay, explain that Well to me.
(14:12):
She was saying, like, your bestself knows that this situation
is not resolved.
Your best self knows that youcan do better in order to to
take yourself out of a of a notgood situation, and so, instead
(14:33):
of me feeling like I'm ondisplay to the world, who's
testing me to see if I'm finallygot life figured out or
whatever?
It's like I'm not being testedby anybody, yeah, other than the
most authentic best me oh yeah,and back to your point of you
spot it.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
You got it to some degree.
I believe that we are justversions of ourselves.
Like you are a version of me,and so if you annoy me or hurt
my feelings or whatever, ifthere's conflict between us, you
(15:10):
might have some things going onwhere you're pushing my buttons
, but ultimately that doesn'tmatter.
It matters how I manage whatcomes out of you, and it's like
we try so hard to manage otherpeople.
And I mean I was reading thatone of the um, one of the
symptoms of trauma is whenyou're in a room and you read
(15:33):
people and then you even changewhere you're headed.
Or when you're in a room and youread people and then you even
change where you're headed orwhat you're like say that I'm
doing like uh, I'm sharingsomething about Enneagram on
zoom and I start seeing peoplelike checking out a little bit,
or even just one personsometimes, and all of a sudden
I'm like, oh, you need to saysomething funny to get them
hooked back in and that wholedance is a whole thing of like I
(15:59):
want to keep the connection.
If I don't keep the connection,then something's wrong, when
really no, if I'm bringing whatI feel called to bring every day
, whether that is just what Igot, or my best self or love, or
whatever I'm bringing is justwhat I got, or my best self or
love or whatever I'm bringingthat should be enough, but we
(16:22):
can't stay in our own damnbubbles.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
No, I know, it's that whole be your own snowman thing
.
It's the whole.
Like.
This is where I end and youbegin, and I have a great
awareness of where that you knowline or boundary is, and it's
like I don't know why that's sohard.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
It is hard.
I love that everything we'retalking about is flowing into
stuff.
I have, um, this other quotethat I was inspired by as a
Georgia O'Keeffe quote, and umit says I have done nothing all
summer, but wait for myself tobe myself again.
Oh, I know, that's how I felt.
That's so good.
(16:55):
I've done nothing all summer,but wait for myself to be myself
again.
Wow.
And then I, I like, did thislittle.
Why does that mean so much tome?
And the phrase I wrote is I'min constant pursuit of myself.
I love that and I feel that way.
Yeah, Lately especially,there's a phrase it might be
(17:17):
Hafiz or someone like that, butit says something like I search
for God, like someone with theirhead on fire searches for water
.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
It's something to that point.
I probably butchered it, sarah.
Maybe you could like pray aboutit and tell us what it really
says.
But all that to say is thereare some people in religious
circles who have this huge feararound us spending too much time
(17:49):
on ourselves, and it's aboutGod and Jesus and and you know,
don't be too selfish and becomejust this whatever, whatever, um
.
however, I believe if God is inus and we were created by the
universe and God and all ofthose things, then it's okay to
(18:11):
be on con in constant pursuit.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
It's okay to be on constant pursuit of ourselves.
Well done, wow.
Your inner chinese, uh, ancientguru, just I agree jumped back
into this body that was amazing.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Yeah, and that person's name is samu s-a-m-u s
S-A-M-U.
It just came up.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Hi Samu Samu.
Are you friends with the YellowEmperor?
I can be.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
If that creates more connection.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
That was an emotional bid for connection.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Oh, Sarah's got something for us.
Oh, it's not Hafiz, although Ido feel like she's quoting
someone, but it says it'selizabeth gilbert.
Look for god.
Look for god, like a man withhis head on fire looks for water
.
I do think that's a quote fromsomeone else she stole what a
great quote.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Yeah, it's a great.
It's a great quote and I thinkthat if we're, if if you do have
the belief and and I think alot of people listening do that
in some way shape or form, weare partly a a result of our
parents, like our genetics, andwe are partly a result of divine
(19:29):
, you know, and in Dallasphilosophy in in particular,
it's like you're a quarter mom,a quarter dad, half God.
Oh, interesting, you know.
And so it's like if that is thecase and we're pursuing God,
then I would think we would bepursuing first and foremost the
God within us.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Well and if?
If we are truly created unique,which I've said this a million
times over but why would we notcelebrate that uniqueness and
yet we try so hard to be likeothers?
To fit in when, really, I thinkthere are people looking for us
(20:11):
.
There are people looking for usand the only way that they will
find that connection with Godis if we are willing to be
ourselves.
Yes, and they are inspired bythat to be themselves, yes.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
You said you had some stuff to show us this week.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Some things to show you.
Oh, I do have some things.
I was thinking of the lastthing I'm like not yet Okay
Speaking of being ourselves andknowing when a yes is a yes and
a no is a no.
Can you play the firstInstagram goodness that I found?
(20:49):
And also, will you give uscredit for who?
This?
Speaker 3 (20:53):
is Okay, stacey underscore.
Gray posted this, butapparently this is at Alexi
Papas.
Okay, she's a physiotherapist.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
I think you've only ever been thinking about your
life in terms of good for me,bad for me, productive,
unproductive.
And she said every cell in ourbody when it's happy or safe, it
expands and moves toward, andthat's like the feeling of
having a crush on someone.
Or when someone's like let's goout to sushi, and you're like,
(21:26):
yes, like that's a really it's aknown feeling that we have.
And she said it's cellularEvery cell.
When it's unsafe, it contractsand moves away.
And that's what you feel whensomebody puts food in front of
you that you're allergic to orhave had food poisoning or
something you know, that feelingof like I just won't eat.
That she said.
I want you to start thinkingabout your life in terms of are
(21:48):
these decisions expansive orcontractive to me?
Or now I think about it as do Ihave a crush on this decision?
Contractive to me, or now Ithink about it as do I have a
crush on this decision?
And once I started doing that,it made decisions a lot easier
for me and I started to actuallyevolve without overthinking the
decisions I was making anddoing things that like were
surprising to me wow, isn't thatgood.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Do I have a crush on this decision?
That's exactly what I wrotedown, oh my gosh.
And it's so interesting becausesame wise friend, um, who was
with me on the way to lunch theother day, I was telling her
about a possible opportunity.
I have coming up and and I saidI think I want to do it, like
so-and-so wants me to do it andso-and-so wants me to do it,
what do you think about it?
(22:30):
And she was like I think it'sgreat if you want to do it.
If you want to do it, yeah, andit just made me think for like
a split second, like I haven'teven really thought about if I
want to do that.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Yeah, I don't think to Enneagram twos.
Think about that.
You're like so and so wants meto, so I probably should.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Yeah, and it's like if I, if I were to think about
this situation and go, do I havea crush on that?
Speaker 2 (22:56):
I would say no, right , like you have a crush on the
potential connection that couldhappen yes, you know me so well.
Well, it's well, yeah, andthere's no shame in any of that.
The problem is is when we havea connection to an outcome and
not just the process.
Yeah, yeah, that's when it goeswhirly.
Yep, yeah, squirrely and whirlyI was thinking I said something
(23:20):
in last week's podcast.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
I said something that that meant one thing.
What I, what I was trying todescribe, was one thing, but the
word I said did not mean that.
Yeah, and I kept using it.
It was kind of like when I wasgoing, chicken tenders, chicken
tenders oh yeah and I just keptyelling wings, wings which, by
the way, I've thought about thissince last week and I feel more
(23:46):
and more angry.
Oh that this woman vera, Ithink, was her name, oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
Vera Liddell.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Yes that she ordered $11 million of chicken wings or
something like that.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
I think it was 11.5.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
11.5 and is now serving nine years of prison
sentence.
No.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
We have an update.
Oh, do you have?
Speaker 3 (24:09):
an update.
I'm trying to pull it up rightnow.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
She's going to pull up the update.
Keep going.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Well, I was just thinking how angry I am yeah
that there was no consequencefrom my hacker well, I noticed
that some anger came up for youlast week like it really and I
and I knew it made me mad lastweek but the more I've thought
about it is I'm like there isactually a justice system that
(24:33):
has said to this woman you havestolen from children.
You have stolen chicken wingsfrom children.
That's not okay.
I agree that that's not okay.
Right, the same justice systemcould not help me in any way.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Agreed and I think you're going to have to let go
of that.
Thanks, well, no, I just I'mjust saying it's it's not gonna
go well, but you might be gladto hear that that.
Norma.
Can you read us the update for?
Speaker 3 (25:04):
sure you the same person.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
I need more shoulders of you oh, there you go yeah,
you look like a little headsticking up.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
They get a little crooked from time to time.
I love you so much, sarah, Ilove you too okay, the same
person that wrote in amandaabout the chicken wing yes,
fight, feist, heist, heist,great band though yes, um, she
(25:35):
wrote in again and said andanother one Breaking Kansas City
Chiefs star, chris Jones, saysthat he will pay one point five
million dollars worth of stolenchicken wings by an Illinois
school worker to help her getreleased from jail.
So wait, yeah, so basically thisguy from the Chiefss maybe she
(25:57):
couldn't afford the bail, so hadto go to jail oh anyway, he's
willing to pay a hundred amillion, 1.5 million dollars to
help pay for some of the wingsso I think she doesn't have to
go to jail is the point.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Why would he do that?
I don't know.
I mean, I think it's fantastic.
Maybe he is also a big fan ofwings and he read the story
teacher or something oh yeahwell, I think she's a cafeteria
jones
Speaker 1 (26:29):
chris jones.
Chris jones, I'm calling out tochris jones, from the cat and
moose podcast, from the animalden itself if you have got 1.55
million that you are willing todonate to this woman who stole
$1.5 million worth of chickenwings no $11.5,.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
I think.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Oh, $11.5 million, God, that's so much chicken, the
poor chickens Okay, this is twodays ago.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Chicken, the poor chickens Okay, this is two days
ago.
Nfl star Chris Jones offers topay $1.5 million worth of stolen
chicken wings after cafeteriaworker is sentenced.
Vera Liddell says my fate is inGod's hands.
Oh, that's what she told herlawyer shortly before Kansas
City Chiefs defensive tackletweeted his offer.
(27:20):
Oh, he tweeted it.
Hey, that's one way to do it,could you?
Could you, sarah?
You got to put this up there,you guys.
He said I'll pay for the wingshe stole to get her free.
Oh, oh my gosh, I'm sendingthis to you.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Well, that is so sweet on the screen and, like I
said in the meantime, chris, ifyou want to send some money to
some people who could really useit, I.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
There's a picture of vera and I love her oh, vera, my
girl.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Oh, I love her so much.
Okay, she is Vera, let's see.
And her wings.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
Those might not be her wings, they might just be a
picture of wings.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Yeah, like were the wings sauced already.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Were they breaded sauced raw Right.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
Hopefully not.
She can do whatever she wants,right, she can have different
varieties.
My thought is, maybe she knowssomeone like family member,
somebody owns a restaurant, like, who needs that many, like Kat,
on the, on the episode you werecounting out it was six months
over the course of six monthsshe stole that many, yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
And I think we, we said there's 36 wings per case
and she sold.
No, she stole.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
I don't remember the number I came up with, but it
was a lot.
Okay, this is the messed uppart.
I was stunned.
This is her lawyer.
I've been doing this for 42years and I've never heard
anything like this.
The lawyer spent a good deal oftime on the phone, waiting on
hold, trying to contact thechiefs, before he says he was
disconnected.
Then he says he got a call fromsomeone he believes to be
(29:07):
representing jones.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
I hope everything works out so we can get her out,
but she is supposed to be injail until 2029 at at least yeah
, I mean, and while I I agreelike commit a crime, have a
sentence, like I get it, like II believe in like that concept
(29:28):
sure, and I just think that likethe fact that our justice
system can enforce that kind ofpenalty on her yeah but not on
some other more common mundanecrimes, is very frustrating to
me.
It makes me feel like our um,our justice, our justice system
(29:49):
is amorphous yeah, do you agree?
Speaker 2 (29:53):
amorphous, amorphous, don't know it.
This is cat's vocabulary wordamorphous.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Amorphous this is a new word that I learned, so
let's pick it apart.
So when you think of somethingmorphing yes, it's morphing into
a butterfly right, it wassomething that is defined, right
?
Speaker 2 (30:13):
so amorphous oh, amorphous Is undefined.
Oh, so it is a spirit you canunsee.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Yes For you.
Yes, Maybe that's what it is.
It's basically anything that'sundefined.
That doesn't mean anything tome.
That's because it's amorphous.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
But give me an example, a concrete, amorphous-y
example.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Okay, amorphousy example.
Okay, so, for example, thecharacter known as the holy
spirit, most would say, is avery amorphous character because
you can't pin them down.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
Is it a him pin?
Speaker 1 (30:52):
them down.
Is it a them?
They right, it's just undefined.
It's like.
It's like the holy spirit.
We know that it or we believeif.
If we're Christian people, webelieve that it is a character,
it is a thing, but it's not.
It's not really defined.
But what is the morph part?
It's, it's amorphous.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
So it's like like uh, it can't be morphed.
Yeah, Like it.
Yeah, Kind of yes.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
Like asexual.
Can't be morphed yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Like it.
Yeah, kind of yes Like a sexual, great yes Like a sexual, yeah.
So basically it means a sexual.
Okay, got it, thank you.
That's all I've been trying tosay for 10 minutes.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
God guys just ask me we're, we're education tutoring
podcast Um so amorphous meansasexual.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
We don't know if that's true or not, but that's
the kind of podcast you'relistening to, yes, and while
we're on really scientific,really important things, you
asked me today how my foot was.
Yes, and my foot still reallyhurts.
My right foot was injuredalmost five years ago and has
just not been the same eversince.
And um, I'm seeing this neurochiropractor, Dr Tyler Hurst.
We've talked about the brainhealth clinics here in Nashville
(32:06):
and um, he did some work on myfoot last week and said that he
is suspicious about.
He didn't use the wordsuspicious, he said I suspect
similar word.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
The kids call that sus.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
I'm sus.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Your laugh is like Sus Sus.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
So he susses, he susses that my, my perineal
nerve, your perineum.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Not the perineum.
Oh I, I was like, why is hepoking around there?
Speaker 1 (32:45):
he's not poking around anywhere near there.
Well, he did do a cold laser onmy sacrum, so that's relatively
close but, um, anyway, the, theperineal nerve I think I'm
saying that right it beginsactually in the sciatic nerve
and it goes from the sciaticnerve down your hip, the hip and
(33:08):
the side and the backs of theleg that's what all my pain is.
And then it does this wrappingthing in the muscles.
And he was basically saying,like, in his opinion, that nerve
has gotten like super likedamaged and tangled and so what
we're trying to do is stretch itout and let it.
Let it kind of stretch out anduntangle.
(33:33):
And when he was doing all thiswork on my foot, trying to work
on the very end of that nerve,said to me when you go home
tonight or tomorrow morning, youmight have lower back pain.
And I was like you're crazy,you're working on my foot,
interesting, like how am I gonnahave lower back pain?
And I'll be damned if I didn'tget home, do my exercises I was
(33:55):
supposed to do that night, getin bed.
The next morning I woke up andI had lower back pain.
That is wild and I'm like okay,like that's connected.
So I've been doing all theseexercises to try and stretch and
untangle that nerve and he'ssaying that if we effectively
together do that, you won't needsurgery I might not I don't
(34:15):
think you should get surgery.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Well, thanks, I don't want to get surgery.
I've had so many.
I my mom truly believes she waslike don't do it.
And I know some people needsurgery.
Let me say that.
But if you could do thatwithout surgery, that'd be
incredible.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Yes, I'm doing everything he told me to do.
All the supplements, I'm doingthe exercises, I'm playing
little brain games.
I've got this little ADHD gamethat he didn't recommend, but I
think it's helping me what's thename of it again?
Speaker 2 (34:44):
it's called impulse are you.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
I can't wait to try it.
No, I've downloaded it, but Ihaven't started yet.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
I'm obsessed with it do you take anything for your
adhd?
No, no, do you not think youhave it?
I don't know.
Oh, I don't know I definitelythey gave me something and it
didn't do anything for me.
Was it Adderall?
No, it was like.
It was like just give her thisplacebo, like I think it was
like a gummy bear.
Yeah, not like a gummy.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
Yeah, not like a sleep gummy Right.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Yeah, or a weed gummy .
That's what I.
Oh, didn't you have an audiovoice memo that you wanted to
share with us?
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Well, I thought I did , but it wasn't as juicy as I
thought it was.
You sure?
Yeah, no, I'm really sure.
I was sitting out beside mypool the other night and letting
my injured foot just kind offloat in the water and I took
this little poetic journey withmyself around Chinese five
(35:43):
element theory in the seasonsthat's amazing and I talked
about how the leaves werebringing their, their essence of
late summer to the waterelement.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
And I like I got sounds like hey, that voice was
coming out.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
Oh yes, the the you might consider friend.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
You you might consider Friend.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
You might consider Friend.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
It's like you roll your R's.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
Friend.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Friend, it's so dirty .
What's the scritchy scratchything that you always say?
Scritchy scratchy, what are you?
Speaker 3 (36:20):
saying that, for it's just when the cats use the
scratch pad and they really goodafter it.
And it reminds me of them goingscratchy, scratchy, scratchy
scratchy.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
That's fantastic.
So this voicemail wasn't asjuicy as you had hoped it really
wasn't.
You often will like kind ofjournal verbally.
I do In the evenings yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Because I really, really like to verbally process,
yeah, and I can imagine thatthere are some humans who would
enjoy listening to me doing that, like I can imagine that that's
a possibility that could be itsown podcast.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Really, it probably could, yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
Definitely.
Speaker 4 (37:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
I think there might be three people interested in it
, and I really do enjoy justlike kind of verbally, working
my shit out over journal.
And that's one of the thingsthat that this doctor has told
me to do is.
He's like I want you to have ajournal of some kind, and it's
like I started trying to do itfor a few days with writing and
I'm like, ah, and I was like no,I'm just going to do these like
(37:22):
audio or video journals andit's really, really helped me a
lot.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
I love it.
I've enjoyed it.
I love it.
I um have saved a few that youhave sent and shared with us,
and um those will be played atyour funeral if I'm alive and
you're not Okay.
I had a friend the other daysay do you realize that not all
of us will attend each other'sfunerals?
And that freaked me out.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Yeah, what a morbid thought, but it's true.
Yeah, like either.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
I'm going to yours or you're going to mine.
Awful yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Unless we die together.
On a plane, yeah, or in a car,yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Or yeah or any.
However, we could do for thethelma and louise the three of
us.
And then the podcast finallyblows up.
Yes, the moment they died, thepress release says like go back
and listen to all eight seasonsyes um, I would love to.
I would love to end this week'spodcast with, um, the last link
that I sent you, sar, sarah,don't look just yet.
But, kat, when I saw this, Ithought of you and then I
(38:26):
thought, sarah, you're kind ofnerdy as well, yeah, and you
might like this as well.
So this, if you guys want it,it could be a Christmas gift.
Oh, they're called anatomysweaters.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
Oh, Look at that.
Wow, well, look at that, that'sactually pretty stunning.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
You guys, can you describe to our non-video
listeners what is happening?
Cat's face.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
So what's happening here?
So so, okay, that's beautiful.
Wow, oh, I'm so fascinated withthe body, so, yes, I laughed so
hard when I saw that last night.
There has to be one with allthe energetic meridians on?
Speaker 2 (39:13):
I would think so, so I'm gonna need it.
Basically, could you put itback up?
Yeah, we need to describe tothe audio only people.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
What we're looking at , we're looking at a very
slender woman with long straighthair who's wearing like a mock
turtleneck, uh-huh and.
But it's like knitted.
It's knitted and sweater thedesign yeah, it's like a sweater
.
The design in one of these isshowing like her skeletal system
on the inside, and then one isshowing like the intestine and
(39:45):
one is showing the lungs and oneis showing the what are?
Speaker 2 (39:49):
those up on the shoulders maybe those are lymph
they're called anatomy sweaters.
Anatomy sweat but again, I lovethe comments here.
Sw Swiss mechanic, swissmechanical Marvel said you have
to have guts to wear that.
This is the most bizarre thingI've seen in a while.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
Geez, can someone help me unsee this?
Speaker 2 (40:13):
I mean what's so crazy is like would you really
wear that like with gutssomewhere?
Speaker 1 (40:21):
I would wear it to class Like without question.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
Yeah, or like a holiday party.
Someone else said yeah, like anugly sweater.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
Let's all get one for ugly clothes.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
Yeah, great idea.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
We can put little bows on the intestines.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
I was going to say we can put a little jingle bell.
Little lights around the ribswe can put like a screw in there
.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
Oh that's good.
Yeah, it's really good.
I swallowed a screw once.
I know you did.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
There's a nail wild yeah, I remember that story.
You told it on the podcast.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
Oh, I think, like year two.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
This is a podcast where we repeat stories over and
over so don't worry about goingback and listening, you'll hear
it again.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Well, guys, well, well, it's over, it's over.
Thanks for coming.
Thanks for being here.
Cat and moose podcast you canfollow us everywhere where
podcasts are available, as wellas video on youtube and spotify
YouTube and Spotify.
Speaker 3 (41:29):
How long are you going to hold that pose Sarah?
Speaker 1 (41:37):
Special thanks to our producer, Sarah Reed.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
To find out more, go to catandmoosepodcastcom.
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