June 27, 2025 • 16 mins
First Baptist Kearney's very own Minister of Children, Abraham Leonard, interviews Pastor Jeremy Jessen about parenting. Jeremy shares about his shaping experiences and gives helpful insights to the world.
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SPEAKER_01 (00:00):
Hello, welcome to the Kearney Kids Parenting Show.
I am your host, Abraham Leonard,Minister of Children at First
Baptist Church Kearney.
(00:20):
I am so glad that you havejoined us.
Well, welcome to the show today,Pastor Jeremy Jessen.
(00:42):
He's with us today all the wayfrom Kentucky, right?
That's right.
Yeah.
Would you tell us a little bitabout your family, your
ministry, and just how you'redoing?
SPEAKER_00 (00:53):
Sure.
Well, I appreciate you asking meto do this with you.
I have just a little bit ofbackground.
I'm I've known you a long timesince I was there when you were
born.
It's a crazy thing to see howall of these, how our lives kind
(01:14):
of intersect with.
So I've known your parents for,golly, 25 years, longer than
that.
You're showing
SPEAKER_01 (01:22):
your age.
SPEAKER_00 (01:23):
I know, it's bad.
It's bad.
But I'm I am deeply grateful forthose kinds of friendships that
will end up in something likethis.
But I, there are, I don't haveEnglish language words to use
for how grateful I am for therelationship that I have with
your dad.
(01:45):
I've known him for a long timeand he and your mom are very
special people to my wife and I.
So we, my wife and I, we havebeen married for 22 years.
It'll be 20, actually 20, 23years.
We live in Louisville, Kentucky,where I'm a pastor of Lakewood
Baptist Church, where I've beenpastoring for 10 years.
(02:11):
Just this past May was 10 years.
We have three kids, Isabel, whois 19, and she just finished her
freshman year at Boyce College.
here in town in Louisville.
Then my son Grant is 17.
He's getting ready to be ajunior slash senior in high
(02:32):
school.
We homeschool, so we make up thegrades.
Then my son Hadden is 14, andhe's getting ready to be a
freshman in high school.
So that's our family.
Again, I've been in ministry foruh, total for over 20 years, but
(02:53):
have just have been here, uh, 10years and so I pastor Lakewood
and I work some for SouthernSeminary when needed and I also
teach and facilitate onlinestuff at North Greenville
University and I'm a facultymentor at Redemption Seminary as
(03:15):
well it's an online seminary soI work with those organizations
as needed and I'm just blessedto be involved in whatever way I
can be so yeah it's kind of aThat's a lot, but that's where
we are.
SPEAKER_01 (03:29):
Yeah, that's awesome.
To start off, I want to startoff with something kind of
light.
Do you have any good parentingmemories?
What are some good parentingmemories that you have?
SPEAKER_00 (03:43):
Yeah, I think two things when it comes to
parenting memories for me standout.
When I was a kid, rolling aroundwith my dad in in the car, those
times were always significant.
So we would sing together andlisten to music together and he
would introduce me to all of hisfavorite music and then he would
(04:05):
tolerate my introducing him tomy favorite music.
But riding around in the car wasalways a blast.
So that's something that I'vekind of carried on with my kids.
So if you ask my kids what aretheir favorite times in with me,
most likely car rides will comeup.
We just have a blast listeningto music and driving around in
the car together.
(04:25):
I love doing that with them.
I think good memories of thebedtime routine with them when
they were little, reading Biblestory books with them or reading
the scriptures with them,spending time in prayer with
them.
Now that they're teenagers, Istill...
(04:47):
there are some nights that Idon't, but most nights I still
am praying with them before theygo to bed at night.
Um, and the, the conversationsthen my wife and I always have,
have this running joke that likeour teenagers aren't ready to
open up until it's nine o'clockor 10 o'clock or whatever.
They're ready to, that's whenthey're ready to talk.
And in those moments, uh, I loveit.
(05:09):
I'll frequently, uh, be gettingready for bed and telling my
wife, like, These moments are sospecial and so good.
So just the conversations thatwe were able to get into in the
evenings are great.
So I wouldn't trade that timefor anything in the car or at
bedtime.
But those are some of myfavorite memories, I think.
SPEAKER_01 (05:27):
Well, that's awesome.
I remember some good memoriesbeing in the car with my dad.
He'd always save the hardconversations for when I was in
the car because I couldn't runaway.
That's
SPEAKER_00 (05:38):
it, man.
You can't leave.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's so smart.
That's so good.
I love that.
SPEAKER_01 (05:43):
Yeah, a lot of good conversations though.
What are maybe some hard timesthat you've had as a parent and
how have you overcame those hardtimes?
SPEAKER_00 (05:56):
Well, in terms of hard times as a parent, I think
dealing with sin to any degreeis going to be difficult.
So when your children aredisobedient and you've got to
deal with uh, like lying oryou've got to deal with, um,
(06:19):
just some bad attitudes or, um,not wanting to obey at all, or
just fighting you on differentissues, whatever it is.
Um, disobedience is always hardto deal with.
And no matter what it is,sometimes because you see
yourself in it, you see yourown, like, Oh, you learned how
to be angry for me.
Like, that's not good.
Um, or one of the other things Ithink it's difficult, just not
(06:43):
from a, from a spiritualstandpoint, but just from a
logistic standpoint, when youhave more than one toddler in
the house, that experience isrough because they take a lot of
physical energy and they take alot of, there's a lot of
emotional and mental energy aswell, because there's a lot of
like, no, don't touch that.
No, don't go there.
(07:03):
No, don't like, and having tolike always the couch and handle
it, always having to addresswhatever you've got to address
that.
Just, it just never, ends, and Iwas telling a friend the other
day, and then you get everybodyto sleep, everybody's in bed,
and you're all good, and thenyou sit down at night, and
you're just talking to yourwife, and you kind of go, dude,
(07:26):
they're going to do all of thisagain tomorrow.
They're all going to wake up,and they're all going to go back
at it tomorrow.
We're going to do this again.
There is an energy-stappingreality to having toddlers, and
I think that's something that AlMohler said one time, when you
have toddlers, there's a momentwhen you look at your wife and
(07:47):
you go, I guess I'll just seeyou on the other side of this.
Because it's such a busy timeand those moments are hard, but
I think what got us through it,honestly, what got us through
toddlers really was being aroundyour mom and dad.
Having other people that weredoing the same thing that we
were doing, literally doing thesame thing that we were doing.
(08:09):
So we live next door to you allin the apartments that you and
your brothers don't remember.
But that's fine.
We remember them because theywere awesome.
Your parents would come over.
They would lock their door atthe apartment next door to us.
And then they would have theirbaby monitor with them and come
over.
And then we would watch a movieor eat ice cream together.
(08:31):
Or one time we played WiiBoxing.
One of the funniest momentsever.
We laughed until I thought I wasgoing to vomit.
It was wonderful.
We had so much fun.
But those kinds of things, Ithink part of what parents...
need in those moments ofdifficulty when you're dealing
with sin like how did you dealwith this when your kids
disobeyed in this way or whenyou're dealing with just like it
(08:51):
is just the physical busyness ofof toddlers one of the things
that gets you through it ishaving other people around you
that can encourage you that canwalk with you and can empathize
like hey we're doing the samething too and you're gonna make
it and so like that's one of thethings that got us through um
and then the other thing.
So I think you have to havepeople around you that will
encourage you and, and help youwalk through it.
(09:13):
But another thing I think islike a husband and wife need to
be on the same page about it andbe able to help each other
through those moments and helpeach other parent when things
are hard.
So I think if you and your wifeare on the same page and, and
as, as a, as a man, if you're,if you're like leading the
family spiritually in, in thatsense, you should be the first
one up off the couch to handle adiscipline situation.
(09:35):
You should be the first one to,um, explain and deal with bad
attitudes and different thingslike that.
And you also need to be thefirst one to help clean up and
get things figured out so thatyour wife isn't shouldering that
whole load.
If you're doing that together,you'll make it.
But those things, I think youhave to have both of those
things together in your home forit to make it through.
(09:59):
And those things were certainlytrue for us.
SPEAKER_01 (10:01):
Well, that's really good stuff there.
If you were going to go back intime, back to when you were a
new parent and you were going togive yourself parenting advice
now, what would it be?
SPEAKER_00 (10:19):
My wife, I actually asked my wife this question this
morning because I said, I'mdoing this podcast with Abraham
and I know what I'm going tosay, but what would you say?
And she said, I'll give you heranswer first and then I'll give
you my answer.
Her answer to this question was,your kids don't need you to get
it right 100% of the time.
Hmm.
They need you to do your best toget it right half of the time.
(10:41):
And when you mess it up the restof the time to ask for
forgiveness and to be honestabout your shortcomings.
When you ask your kids forforgiveness, not only are they
going to give it to you, butyour kids would much rather see
a parent that struggles but iswilling to go, I'm struggling
here.
Or a parent when they sin to askfor forgiveness, like I
(11:02):
shouldn't have gotten angry withyou about that.
I should not have raised myvoice to you in that situation.
In that situation, whatever,because it'd be much more
understanding and much moreforgiving.
And they're also going to likerespect you so much more for
being a real person.
Yeah.
Not holding up a standard thatyou yourself can't even meet.
So, um, that would be the firstthing that my wife said.
(11:25):
I think that's a really goodpoint.
Um, the second thing that Iwould say is don't be so
uptight.
I mean, that could be the titleof my parenting autobiography.
I shouldn't have been souptight.
Because I think when you're anew parent, especially if you're
in an evangelical situation,meaning when you're in a church
(11:47):
situation or you're in a Biblecollege slash seminary
situation, everything is a bigdeal.
And everything is...
a freak out about level deal.
And so you feel like you have toget it right a hundred percent
of the time, like my wife wassaying, but you also feel like,
(12:07):
um, every moment is a make orbreak moment when it's not
necessarily.
So don't be so uptight, likeabout, you know, about things
that you can't control aboutthings that are like, you need
to learn the difference betweensomebody between a child being
disobedient and And a childbeing a child.
(12:27):
A child being rebellious or achild just being...
I mean, you grew up with twobrothers, right?
So there's some stuff where youguys were being mean to each
other.
And then there's other timeswhen you guys were just slugging
it out because you're boys inthe same house.
It's not always wickedness.
Sometimes it's just siblingsbumping into each other and
(12:49):
playing around and tearing stuffup.
That's okay.
I think there's a part of thatwhere...
I just needed to loosen up alittle bit.
And I think if I, if I, if Icould tell myself one thing back
then, that's what I would havetold myself.
Like, you need to calm down, butit'll be all right.
SPEAKER_01 (13:08):
Well, that's really good.
I want to kind of end on a, on amuch lighter note.
Okay.
Do you have any, like, what'syour favorite funny parenting
story, man?
SPEAKER_00 (13:24):
There's so many like I can't like moments in the past
24 hours that were great withour teenagers.
But one of my favorite momentswhen I was when the kids were
really young was Grant.
That kid never wanted to go tobed ever.
He was the first one up.
Isabel will sleep all day if welet her.
(13:48):
Hadden too.
Hadden will sleep all day if youlet him.
unless there's somethingexciting on the calendar the
next day.
Like if baseball's involvedanywhere the next day, he won't
sleep in.
Otherwise, he'd sleep.
Grant is the first one up,period.
His whole life, he's been thefirst one up.
So I get up really early andspend time reading and
everything, and then I wouldcome downstairs, and the second
(14:09):
I'm down there, if he hearsnoise in the kitchen, bam, that
kid was down there.
But he hated going to bedbecause there were people awake
while he was asleep, and he justdidn't see...
no, no, no.
Like if there's a party goingon, if people are awake, if
something fun is happening andI'm not a part of it, this is an
injustice.
So like he could not, he hatedgoing to bed.
So when one of our favoritefamily stories is, um, I'm
(14:33):
putting him to bed one night.
Um, and he's really little, Ithink he's like three, something
like this.
And, um, you know, like he'sstill kind of, some of his words
aren't coming together exactly.
Right.
And so, um, um, he wants to talkabout something is what he would
say.
Let's talk about what he wouldsay.
(14:53):
Talk about, let's talk aboutyour dad.
I have something I need to talkabout.
And I was like, Oh, okay.
Like we're going to bed.
And like, I've already like, wehave read the stories.
We have sung the songs.
We have prayed our prayers.
He is tucked in.
It is time fans on lights out.
Let's go.
He's ready.
And he says, I have somethingthat I need to, to talk about.
(15:16):
And he's looks very serious.
And then he gets this littlegrin on his face.
When I said, what do you want totalk about, buddy?
And he goes, let's talk aboutJesus.
And he says it with this likesly sound in his, in his voice.
And I start like, Oh, okay.
I'm like, he hooked me, youknow, I was, Oh, Oh yeah.
(15:37):
Okay.
Cause he, he knows like, If Imention that dude's name, you'll
go for 20 minutes.
I get an extra 20 minutes ofjust being awake and I don't
have to go to sleep.
And halfway through, I realizedthis kid just wanted to talk
about Jesus because he knew thathe could get extra awake time
from this.
This is not a gospelconversation.
(15:58):
This is a, I don't want to go tosleep conversation.
And so that's a family joke thatlike, And I'm like, okay, you
guys need to go to bed.
And Grant from somewhere willgo, I don't know, let's talk
about Jesus.
I'm like, no, that's not fair.
Don't do that.
So that's one of my favoritememories of him just working
every angle he can, even theJesus angle, to keep from going
(16:19):
to bed.
So great.
I love it.
SPEAKER_01 (16:21):
That's funny.
That's a really good note to endon.
On behalf of all the listenersand myself, I want to thank you
for being on the show today.
SPEAKER_00 (16:33):
Absolutely, man.
Anytime.
I appreciate it so much.
SPEAKER_01 (16:35):
Thank you for joining me.
I hope this was an encouragementto you.
Please follow the show, leave areview, and share it with the
people around you.
Hello, welcome to the Kearney Kids Parenting Show.
I am your host, Abraham Leonard,Minister of Children at First
Baptist Church Kearney.
(00:20):
I am so glad that you havejoined us.
Well, welcome to the show today,Pastor Jeremy Jessen.
(00:42):
He's with us today all the wayfrom Kentucky, right?
That's right.
Yeah.
Would you tell us a little bitabout your family, your
ministry, and just how you'redoing?
SPEAKER_00 (00:53):
Sure.
Well, I appreciate you asking meto do this with you.
I have just a little bit ofbackground.
I'm I've known you a long timesince I was there when you were
born.
It's a crazy thing to see howall of these, how our lives kind
(01:14):
of intersect with.
So I've known your parents for,golly, 25 years, longer than
that.
You're showing
SPEAKER_01 (01:22):
your age.
SPEAKER_00 (01:23):
I know, it's bad.
It's bad.
But I'm I am deeply grateful forthose kinds of friendships that
will end up in something likethis.
But I, there are, I don't haveEnglish language words to use
for how grateful I am for therelationship that I have with
your dad.
(01:45):
I've known him for a long timeand he and your mom are very
special people to my wife and I.
So we, my wife and I, we havebeen married for 22 years.
It'll be 20, actually 20, 23years.
We live in Louisville, Kentucky,where I'm a pastor of Lakewood
Baptist Church, where I've beenpastoring for 10 years.
(02:11):
Just this past May was 10 years.
We have three kids, Isabel, whois 19, and she just finished her
freshman year at Boyce College.
here in town in Louisville.
Then my son Grant is 17.
He's getting ready to be ajunior slash senior in high
(02:32):
school.
We homeschool, so we make up thegrades.
Then my son Hadden is 14, andhe's getting ready to be a
freshman in high school.
So that's our family.
Again, I've been in ministry foruh, total for over 20 years, but
(02:53):
have just have been here, uh, 10years and so I pastor Lakewood
and I work some for SouthernSeminary when needed and I also
teach and facilitate onlinestuff at North Greenville
University and I'm a facultymentor at Redemption Seminary as
(03:15):
well it's an online seminary soI work with those organizations
as needed and I'm just blessedto be involved in whatever way I
can be so yeah it's kind of aThat's a lot, but that's where
we are.
SPEAKER_01 (03:29):
Yeah, that's awesome.
To start off, I want to startoff with something kind of
light.
Do you have any good parentingmemories?
What are some good parentingmemories that you have?
SPEAKER_00 (03:43):
Yeah, I think two things when it comes to
parenting memories for me standout.
When I was a kid, rolling aroundwith my dad in in the car, those
times were always significant.
So we would sing together andlisten to music together and he
would introduce me to all of hisfavorite music and then he would
(04:05):
tolerate my introducing him tomy favorite music.
But riding around in the car wasalways a blast.
So that's something that I'vekind of carried on with my kids.
So if you ask my kids what aretheir favorite times in with me,
most likely car rides will comeup.
We just have a blast listeningto music and driving around in
the car together.
(04:25):
I love doing that with them.
I think good memories of thebedtime routine with them when
they were little, reading Biblestory books with them or reading
the scriptures with them,spending time in prayer with
them.
Now that they're teenagers, Istill...
(04:47):
there are some nights that Idon't, but most nights I still
am praying with them before theygo to bed at night.
Um, and the, the conversationsthen my wife and I always have,
have this running joke that likeour teenagers aren't ready to
open up until it's nine o'clockor 10 o'clock or whatever.
They're ready to, that's whenthey're ready to talk.
And in those moments, uh, I loveit.
(05:09):
I'll frequently, uh, be gettingready for bed and telling my
wife, like, These moments are sospecial and so good.
So just the conversations thatwe were able to get into in the
evenings are great.
So I wouldn't trade that timefor anything in the car or at
bedtime.
But those are some of myfavorite memories, I think.
SPEAKER_01 (05:27):
Well, that's awesome.
I remember some good memoriesbeing in the car with my dad.
He'd always save the hardconversations for when I was in
the car because I couldn't runaway.
That's
SPEAKER_00 (05:38):
it, man.
You can't leave.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's so smart.
That's so good.
I love that.
SPEAKER_01 (05:43):
Yeah, a lot of good conversations though.
What are maybe some hard timesthat you've had as a parent and
how have you overcame those hardtimes?
SPEAKER_00 (05:56):
Well, in terms of hard times as a parent, I think
dealing with sin to any degreeis going to be difficult.
So when your children aredisobedient and you've got to
deal with uh, like lying oryou've got to deal with, um,
(06:19):
just some bad attitudes or, um,not wanting to obey at all, or
just fighting you on differentissues, whatever it is.
Um, disobedience is always hardto deal with.
And no matter what it is,sometimes because you see
yourself in it, you see yourown, like, Oh, you learned how
to be angry for me.
Like, that's not good.
Um, or one of the other things Ithink it's difficult, just not
(06:43):
from a, from a spiritualstandpoint, but just from a
logistic standpoint, when youhave more than one toddler in
the house, that experience isrough because they take a lot of
physical energy and they take alot of, there's a lot of
emotional and mental energy aswell, because there's a lot of
like, no, don't touch that.
No, don't go there.
(07:03):
No, don't like, and having tolike always the couch and handle
it, always having to addresswhatever you've got to address
that.
Just, it just never, ends, and Iwas telling a friend the other
day, and then you get everybodyto sleep, everybody's in bed,
and you're all good, and thenyou sit down at night, and
you're just talking to yourwife, and you kind of go, dude,
(07:26):
they're going to do all of thisagain tomorrow.
They're all going to wake up,and they're all going to go back
at it tomorrow.
We're going to do this again.
There is an energy-stappingreality to having toddlers, and
I think that's something that AlMohler said one time, when you
have toddlers, there's a momentwhen you look at your wife and
(07:47):
you go, I guess I'll just seeyou on the other side of this.
Because it's such a busy timeand those moments are hard, but
I think what got us through it,honestly, what got us through
toddlers really was being aroundyour mom and dad.
Having other people that weredoing the same thing that we
were doing, literally doing thesame thing that we were doing.
(08:09):
So we live next door to you allin the apartments that you and
your brothers don't remember.
But that's fine.
We remember them because theywere awesome.
Your parents would come over.
They would lock their door atthe apartment next door to us.
And then they would have theirbaby monitor with them and come
over.
And then we would watch a movieor eat ice cream together.
(08:31):
Or one time we played WiiBoxing.
One of the funniest momentsever.
We laughed until I thought I wasgoing to vomit.
It was wonderful.
We had so much fun.
But those kinds of things, Ithink part of what parents...
need in those moments ofdifficulty when you're dealing
with sin like how did you dealwith this when your kids
disobeyed in this way or whenyou're dealing with just like it
(08:51):
is just the physical busyness ofof toddlers one of the things
that gets you through it ishaving other people around you
that can encourage you that canwalk with you and can empathize
like hey we're doing the samething too and you're gonna make
it and so like that's one of thethings that got us through um
and then the other thing.
So I think you have to havepeople around you that will
encourage you and, and help youwalk through it.
(09:13):
But another thing I think islike a husband and wife need to
be on the same page about it andbe able to help each other
through those moments and helpeach other parent when things
are hard.
So I think if you and your wifeare on the same page and, and
as, as a, as a man, if you're,if you're like leading the
family spiritually in, in thatsense, you should be the first
one up off the couch to handle adiscipline situation.
(09:35):
You should be the first one to,um, explain and deal with bad
attitudes and different thingslike that.
And you also need to be thefirst one to help clean up and
get things figured out so thatyour wife isn't shouldering that
whole load.
If you're doing that together,you'll make it.
But those things, I think youhave to have both of those
things together in your home forit to make it through.
(09:59):
And those things were certainlytrue for us.
SPEAKER_01 (10:01):
Well, that's really good stuff there.
If you were going to go back intime, back to when you were a
new parent and you were going togive yourself parenting advice
now, what would it be?
SPEAKER_00 (10:19):
My wife, I actually asked my wife this question this
morning because I said, I'mdoing this podcast with Abraham
and I know what I'm going tosay, but what would you say?
And she said, I'll give you heranswer first and then I'll give
you my answer.
Her answer to this question was,your kids don't need you to get
it right 100% of the time.
Hmm.
They need you to do your best toget it right half of the time.
(10:41):
And when you mess it up the restof the time to ask for
forgiveness and to be honestabout your shortcomings.
When you ask your kids forforgiveness, not only are they
going to give it to you, butyour kids would much rather see
a parent that struggles but iswilling to go, I'm struggling
here.
Or a parent when they sin to askfor forgiveness, like I
(11:02):
shouldn't have gotten angry withyou about that.
I should not have raised myvoice to you in that situation.
In that situation, whatever,because it'd be much more
understanding and much moreforgiving.
And they're also going to likerespect you so much more for
being a real person.
Yeah.
Not holding up a standard thatyou yourself can't even meet.
So, um, that would be the firstthing that my wife said.
(11:25):
I think that's a really goodpoint.
Um, the second thing that Iwould say is don't be so
uptight.
I mean, that could be the titleof my parenting autobiography.
I shouldn't have been souptight.
Because I think when you're anew parent, especially if you're
in an evangelical situation,meaning when you're in a church
(11:47):
situation or you're in a Biblecollege slash seminary
situation, everything is a bigdeal.
And everything is...
a freak out about level deal.
And so you feel like you have toget it right a hundred percent
of the time, like my wife wassaying, but you also feel like,
(12:07):
um, every moment is a make orbreak moment when it's not
necessarily.
So don't be so uptight, likeabout, you know, about things
that you can't control aboutthings that are like, you need
to learn the difference betweensomebody between a child being
disobedient and And a childbeing a child.
(12:27):
A child being rebellious or achild just being...
I mean, you grew up with twobrothers, right?
So there's some stuff where youguys were being mean to each
other.
And then there's other timeswhen you guys were just slugging
it out because you're boys inthe same house.
It's not always wickedness.
Sometimes it's just siblingsbumping into each other and
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playing around and tearing stuffup.
That's okay.
I think there's a part of thatwhere...
I just needed to loosen up alittle bit.
And I think if I, if I, if Icould tell myself one thing back
then, that's what I would havetold myself.
Like, you need to calm down, butit'll be all right.
SPEAKER_01 (13:08):
Well, that's really good.
I want to kind of end on a, on amuch lighter note.
Okay.
Do you have any, like, what'syour favorite funny parenting
story, man?
SPEAKER_00 (13:24):
There's so many like I can't like moments in the past
24 hours that were great withour teenagers.
But one of my favorite momentswhen I was when the kids were
really young was Grant.
That kid never wanted to go tobed ever.
He was the first one up.
Isabel will sleep all day if welet her.
(13:48):
Hadden too.
Hadden will sleep all day if youlet him.
unless there's somethingexciting on the calendar the
next day.
Like if baseball's involvedanywhere the next day, he won't
sleep in.
Otherwise, he'd sleep.
Grant is the first one up,period.
His whole life, he's been thefirst one up.
So I get up really early andspend time reading and
everything, and then I wouldcome downstairs, and the second
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I'm down there, if he hearsnoise in the kitchen, bam, that
kid was down there.
But he hated going to bedbecause there were people awake
while he was asleep, and he justdidn't see...
no, no, no.
Like if there's a party goingon, if people are awake, if
something fun is happening andI'm not a part of it, this is an
injustice.
So like he could not, he hatedgoing to bed.
So when one of our favoritefamily stories is, um, I'm
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putting him to bed one night.
Um, and he's really little, Ithink he's like three, something
like this.
And, um, you know, like he'sstill kind of, some of his words
aren't coming together exactly.
Right.
And so, um, um, he wants to talkabout something is what he would
say.
Let's talk about what he wouldsay.
(14:53):
Talk about, let's talk aboutyour dad.
I have something I need to talkabout.
And I was like, Oh, okay.
Like we're going to bed.
And like, I've already like, wehave read the stories.
We have sung the songs.
We have prayed our prayers.
He is tucked in.
It is time fans on lights out.
Let's go.
He's ready.
And he says, I have somethingthat I need to, to talk about.
(15:16):
And he's looks very serious.
And then he gets this littlegrin on his face.
When I said, what do you want totalk about, buddy?
And he goes, let's talk aboutJesus.
And he says it with this likesly sound in his, in his voice.
And I start like, Oh, okay.
I'm like, he hooked me, youknow, I was, Oh, Oh yeah.
(15:37):
Okay.
Cause he, he knows like, If Imention that dude's name, you'll
go for 20 minutes.
I get an extra 20 minutes ofjust being awake and I don't
have to go to sleep.
And halfway through, I realizedthis kid just wanted to talk
about Jesus because he knew thathe could get extra awake time
from this.
This is not a gospelconversation.
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This is a, I don't want to go tosleep conversation.
And so that's a family joke thatlike, And I'm like, okay, you
guys need to go to bed.
And Grant from somewhere willgo, I don't know, let's talk
about Jesus.
I'm like, no, that's not fair.
Don't do that.
So that's one of my favoritememories of him just working
every angle he can, even theJesus angle, to keep from going
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to bed.
So great.
I love it.
SPEAKER_01 (16:21):
That's funny.
That's a really good note to endon.
On behalf of all the listenersand myself, I want to thank you
for being on the show today.
SPEAKER_00 (16:33):
Absolutely, man.
Anytime.
I appreciate it so much.
SPEAKER_01 (16:35):
Thank you for joining me.
I hope this was an encouragementto you.
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