July 6, 2025 • 34 mins
What happens when traumatic experiences shape your early life? Can you truly heal and help others find their path to wholeness? Master life coach Sue Bowles answers these questions with raw honesty and hard-won wisdom in this powerful conversation.
Sue courageously shares her journey as a childhood rape survivor who kept her trauma secret for 15 years, leading to struggles with depression, anxiety, self-harm, and an eating disorder. Yet her story doesn't end with survival—it transforms into a mission to help others rewrite their narratives.
"Who I am is a child of God who has hung on to the coattails of faith," Sue explains, drawing a crucial distinction between identity and experience that forms the foundation of her approach to healing. This perspective has carried her through unimaginable challenges, including the loss of both parents within a short timeframe.
As an ACC-certified master life and mental health coach, Sue clarifies the difference between counseling (addressing past issues affecting your present) and coaching (focusing on your present to shape your future). She works with clients on boundaries, communication, relationships, and managing anxiety before it becomes clinically significant—always putting their needs first, even referring them to therapists when appropriate.
The conversation takes a fascinating turn when Sue discusses her mission to break mental health stigma, particularly among Christians. Drawing from biblical examples including Jesus's own anxiety in Gethsemane, she makes a compelling case that addressing mental health struggles is deeply compatible with faith.
At the heart of Sue's work is her "Dare to Believe Movement," centered on a fundamental question: "Do I believe that I matter?" As she powerfully states, "Until you can say in a solid bedrock foundation way that yes, I believe in me, permanent life change cannot and will not happen."
Whether you're struggling with your own trauma, supporting someone through theirs, or simply interested in the intersection of mental health and faith, Sue's insights offer practical wisdom and genuine hope. Visit SueBowles.com to connect with Sue, sign up for her weekly "Hump Day Help" texts, or explore her books and coaching services.
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Love & Light - Keep Hope Alive
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
hello and welcome.
To keep hope alive.
I have sue bowls with us.
She is an author, speaker andmaster life coach and we're
going to dive in to interviewing.
So welcome here for the podcastand everything.
We're so happy to have you um,and I'm going to give you guys
(00:23):
an update on me really quick.
I hear it in my voice I amhaving seizures again and I get
about maybe three to five a dayand I developed this thing
called aphasia and sometimesit's hard or repetitive.
(00:45):
I just got to take breaks, butI'm not going to let it rule me.
So Keep Hope Alive is going togo and there's no edits to the
way I ever talk.
Well, let's get started.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
My biggest question is who is Sue?
Oh, wow, that's a big questionright there.
First of all, may I applaud youfor your courage and your
vulnerability, to be an exampleto others, to keep hope alive
and to not let life get in theway, cause that's what this
whole thing is all about.
So trudge forward, keep moving.
I'm excited for you.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
So who is Sue?
Speaker 2 (01:23):
sue, uh, thanks.
So who is sue?
Uh, sue, is someone easy one?
I wish, um.
I'm someone who's experienced alot in my life and I've come
out the other side where now Iam helping others as they deal
with their stuff.
But what's important for me isthat what has happened to me,
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what I've endured, even whatI've come through and where I am
now, doesn't define me, becausethose are experiences, those
are life circumstances, but itdoesn't define me.
Who I am is a child of God whohas hung on to him the coattails
of faith is what I call it andI've hung on to him and clung to
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what I know is true for me, andthat is the one thing that has
gotten me through.
What life would say is just waytoo much.
I know we'll get into that, butit's important for me to let
people know that my identity andwho I am is not what I do, it's
not what I've overcome, it'swho I am, and that is shown by
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what I do now.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Oh, that's beautifully said.
I can't wait to hear more, soyeah.
But I can't wait to hear more,so yeah, and I can make fun of
myself.
I'm just going to let you talk.
I know you're an author andspeaker, so I guess my question
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to you is how did you become anauthor?
Speaker 2 (03:08):
And when did you want to start everything?
Yeah well, let me back up alittle bit and share some of the
stories so people understandwhat I'm referring to.
I'm a childhood rape survivor.
I was raped by a classmate whenI was seven years old.
I was enticed into the woods onthe school property after
school.
When I was seven years old, Iwas enticed into the woods on
the school property after school, held against my will for 45
minutes, and the last words myperpetrator said to me were
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don't tell anybody.
And he went out the other endof the woods.
I went out the opposite end towhere my mom was looking for me
and at that point in time, thisearly seventies, rape was not on
the culture, on the radar.
It wasn't part of culture.
Nobody knew to ask anything andI didn't know to say anything
and unfortunately I kept it asecret for 15 years, into my
senior year of college.
So anyone who has a little bitof understanding of trauma
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understands that traumaliterally rewires your brain and
you find different ways ofprocessing things.
So I didn't have a chance to bea normal kid.
I went right into survival mode.
So everything that Iexperienced from age seven to 18
was through those lenses ofsurvival.
I only had part of the story.
I didn't have a full story, soI was telling myself things that
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weren't true.
I was believing things thatweren't true and I was acting in
a way that was indicative thatsomething had happened, but at
that time, society still didn'tunderstand it.
So, within that, I've dabbledwith.
I've struggled with depression,I've struggled with anxiety.
I've dabbled with cutting Twice.
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I've considered ending my life.
I am in recovery from an eatingdisorder.
My parents divorced after 34years of marriage.
At the time of this recording,this is July 2025, I lost mom
and dad in two and a half yearsof each other.
October 5th 2020 was mom,december 27th 2022 was dad.
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And life happens.
There's been a lot to endureand for the longest time, I was
mad at god.
I'm a christ follower that isthe most important thing, around
which everything else revolvesand I was hacked off at god and
it's called this much.
I know the space between yeah,and I see the address at the end
.
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But the first book I started towrite in 2015 was the Rape for
the First Time and over fourdecades after it happened.
And then, in 2016, I enteredrecovery from my eating disorder
for the first time and thatalone is a whole different story
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.
But I started writing book in2015 because part of my recovery
in 2014 with dealing with therape was I went, I attended a
retreat called walking stickretreats, and there was a movie
out earlier that year calledrack muffin which which was
based on the life of a latechristian musician, rich mullins
, and one of the themes of themovie was about the that we wear
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, you fake it till you make it.
And the retreat was goingdeeper into some of these themes
.
So I went to the retreat and Iwent into that retreat calling
myself the holy exception.
I was starting to implode fromwork dealing with the rape and I
believed the lie that I was tooscrewed up, too far gone and
and a total waste of space.
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And I left that retreat threedays later saying and starting
to believe Christ not only lovesme, he likes me and he's head
over heels in love with me.
And that's what started writingthe book.
It started out as wanting toshare things I have learned in
my life journey, and each end ofeach chapter ends with a this
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much I know, dot, dot, dot.
A little summary and then itkind of took on a different
format.
It kind of just becamecathartic and I started really
sharing my story in much deeperdetail than I ever had.
Because what happened in thatfirst retreat is I had to own my
story.
I was in denial about my storyand then you, you know, more and
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more came out.
The book published in 2019, itwon the award in 2020 and um,
yeah, it was.
It's a treasure because it wasa chance to really be authentic.
It's gotten uh, you've gotgreat amazon reviews, and just
what I love most are the emailsI get.
I had one person say I don'tknow if I should hug you, hit
you or throw the book out thewindow because it struck so many
nerves for them.
That was a huge compliment forme, where I talk to people after
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I'm done speaking at an eventand they'll come up and they'll
say I've read your book or Iheard this, or whatever.
There are two books that havecome out since Breaking the
Silence Forces of Survivors,volume one and two.
Those are anthologies.
I have a chapter in each one ofthose and those both become
Amazon bestsellers.
And with all this, to say thepower of story Every person has
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a story and it's the one person,one thing no one can take from
you.
And when we share that story,that's when we give power to it,
that's when we take back ourpower from what the events have
taken from us, and it givespermission to other people who
might be sharing, might bestruggling and are afraid of
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saying something.
One of the things for me whenSimone Biles came out with her
story, it gave me permission toshare mine, and now look at what
I'm doing as a result of that.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
You see, that's really good.
I finally wrote a book and it'sbased on a true story.
But I hear from other peoplethrough my church oh no, you
probably don't want to put thatout there in the world, and I
was like why it will helpsomebody else.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
So it just sits on my laptop right now and, um, I
guess all these people that dothe publishing they need
thousands of dollars, so I don'teven know where to take it
right now right, and my booksare all self-published and it's
(09:13):
a journey in and of itself, butI found an editor on was it
thumbtack or I think I thinkthumbtack and had somebody edit
it the first round.
Edits weren't the best, uh, butI've learned more since.
Uh, there's, there's a lot youcan do for five hundred dollars
to get a book out there.
(09:33):
Uh, and and I, I personallyenjoy this, the self-published I
just said I can just not retainmy rights but share the story
that when I feel like I want toshare it.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
So yeah, definitely, definitely yeah.
So there's a course on.
I think Alexa is hearing me,because Facebook keeps popping
up publishers and I was like Ilooked at one and I just got
like turned away from it becausethey're coming.
(10:05):
Oh, how can we help you rightaway?
And it's just like slow down.
So I'm just going to sit onthat and see other people's
experiences and what I can do,so, but that is good.
Best sellers on Amazon have youdone book signings?
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Not anything official .
I've signed a lot of books.
I haven't held any officialbook signings.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Okay, so we know it's on Amazon.
Did you put it in any retailplaces also?
Speaker 2 (10:41):
No, it's only available online.
Right now, the best good isgoing to be on my website.
Actually, I have them all rightthere.
I actually have a a supply ofall my books right here in my
office ready to ship them out.
So, and again, at the end wecan give the website and
everything of where they canfind, find me and get the books
and everything like that,because then, when they order it
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through my website, I canpersonally autograph it for them
.
They buy it somewhere else.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
I can't do that I know, are you gonna have an
audible version of it um?
Speaker 2 (11:15):
I have thought about that.
I haven't looked into it awhole lot just yet.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Uh, it might be something worth doing because
it's a definitely there's peoplelike me and so with with
aphasia guys, it it's hard forme to read and text people and I
mean I'm trying to learn whatis needed because a lot of
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people don't know what it is andstroke victims and and seizure
people, they can get aphasia andit's just been hard.
You know the little things wetake for granted.
So I ask all the time is itaudible so I can put my AirPods
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and listen to it?
Speaker 2 (12:02):
So, yeah, you're inspiring me to look into that
more.
So there you go.
If I go that route, I'll besure to let you know.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Oh, that's cool.
That's so cool.
Okay, and I see that you'realso a life coach, a master life
coach.
Tell us about all of that.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Yeah, I am an ACC certified master life and mental
health coach now and that ACCis really important because that
is a global certificationthrough the International
Coaching Federation, which isthe gold standard of coaching.
That means I've gone throughrigorous training and mentorship
and passed an audio review.
An audio review and then passeda four hour exam to earn the
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certification.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Well, congratulations , that's a huge step.
So how do you get clients?
Speaker 2 (13:01):
I equated that for you.
How do I get clients and?
Speaker 1 (13:12):
what well?
How do you um?
Speaker 2 (13:15):
so yeah oh yeah, uh, I think there's a little bit bit
of an internet lag, so, uh,real quick.
I equate the ACC certificationprocess to, uh, what I went
through to get my master's.
It was that involved and I getclients a number of different
ways and a number you know.
Some people find me onpsychology today because I have
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a master's degree in acounseling related field.
I was able to appeal topsychology today and they
approved me for listing.
They don't usually take lifecoaches, but because I have that
background in psychology, theyapproved me, so I'm pretty proud
of that.
So a number of people find meon psychology today.
Other people find me through mywebsite.
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They'll hear me speak and theysay, hey, I want to work with
you.
Other people see me on Facebooka number of different ways.
I'm on Facebook.
I'm on YouTube I'm reallyexpanding my YouTube channel and
that's been fun.
So they find me a number ofdifferent ways, word of mouth as
well.
So any number of ways.
I spoke at a retreat, speakingat a retreat here in a couple of
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weeks.
I spoke at one last year andsomebody approached me eight
months a year later and said hey, I remember this, I want to
work with you now.
So any number of different ways.
That's why I enjoy being outthere in the public and just
doing speaking and doingpodcasts and doing the YouTube,
because there are many peopleout there who want help and
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don't know how to get it and I'mable to be that for them.
Let me explain just quickly foryour listeners, because there
may be somebody listening who iswondering what is life coaching
and is that something thatcould help me?
I'm not sure about this stuff.
Counseling and coaching arerelated and they are different.
Counseling deals with helpingyou resolve issues from your
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past that are still affectingyou today.
Coaching deals it helps youfocus on your present to get you
to your future.
So coaches do not diagnose.
Coaches are not.
We don't deal with the DSM-5.
We don't do a lot of thosethings that counseling does.
Coaching is goal-oriented,focus-oriented.
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Now, as a mental health coach, Ihelp people who are struggling
with things that are affectingtheir mental health before it
becomes a diagnosable mentalhealth issue.
So I talk a lot with my clientsabout boundaries, about
communication, aboutrelationships, about anxiety,
about depression, about timemanagement.
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I work with clients who areswitching careers, so I work
with a lot of different areasand we head it off before it
gets to the point that it's adiagnosable mental health issue
of anxiety or depression oranything like that.
Part of it as well is when I'mtalking with a potential client,
I do a 15 minute no cost callso we can talk about what the
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concerns are, what is it theywant to achieve and if coaching
is right for them.
There have been times where Ineed to tell a client that I am
not right for you because whatyou are looking for and the
mitigating factors are moresomething that a therapist and a
counseling center are going tohelp you with.
But then my obligation, myresponsibility to best help that
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client is to help them find acounselor and I will go, I will
help them research right then onthe phone call because I want
to help that person who has hadthe courage to reach out for
help.
And just because I'm not thebest match doesn't mean they
don't deserve help and doesn'tmean I can't help them to that
degree.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
I agree with that 100%.
You said something you knowcommunication is very important
and with relationships do youget people like married couple I
can't talk Married couples comein and try to get help and
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stuff like that, or boyfriendand girlfriends.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Yeah, I haven't had married couples yet.
The probably most significantcouple I worked with was a
mother-daughter.
They had a huge falling outaround the holidays, around
COVID.
They'd said their relationshipwas about a 10.
And when they came to me theysaid I would say it's about a
four and we worked togetherabout two months and at the time
when the time they finishedcoaching, they felt it was back
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to an eight and they had thetools to be able to get it back
back to where they wanted it tobe.
I've heard from them since.
They are doing very well.
The relationships have beenrestored, they're thriving and
much of what they were workingthrough was learning how to
listen to the other withoutjudgment, without attachment,
and that's something I reallytalk about is the judgments we
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make in a comment or in what wehear from somebody and how we're
interpreting it versus what wasactually said.
That is a real core, key elementof communication struggles is
intention versus perception andneeding to back those out so
that you can look at somethingwithout the emotional attachment
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.
To just see it what I call kindof like a police report just the
facts Instead of reading in thejudgment and the emotional
attachment to something which isattached to your interpretation
, which is based on all of yourfilters, when we were able to
back that out and screen thatout, we look at just what was
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the reach of the communication,communication what was said, and
then how do you want to respondto that?
And that was a lot of what I,when I was working with with
that couple, and each time theycame back and there were some
hard conversations, some reallyhard conversations.
But once they learned to listento each other and they were
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able to really have those hardconversations heart to heart,
and some of it was in our calls,I would facilitate some of this
hard communication.
But to hear them doing so wellnow, and that the grandkids who
were kind of I don't want to sayvictims, but they were being
affected by all this, are nowthriving and have the
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relationship with thegrandparents.
It's been really neat to hear.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
That is really good.
Another big one is grief.
Have you had any clients withgrief?
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Yes, and grief is a tangled web, yes, it's a heavy
one.
Having walked through my owngrief, I have learned a lot that
I'm able to help with myclients with now, and a lot of
it is just that it's okay to notbe okay to.
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You know how to work throughsome of those doubts, some of
those what ifs, those woulda,shoulda, coulda, and again kind
of not use the woulda, shoulda,coulda as a means to beat
yourself up, because that'swhere people get stuck, but to
say, okay, in this situation Idid the best with what I had at
that point in time.
Because usually when we'relooking at something with woulda
shoulda, coulda, we're making ajudgment, again that attachment
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, we're making a judgment on apast situation with our current
understanding, and that is notfair to ourselves or the
situation.
So, again, some of workingthrough grief and those
struggles that go with that isbeing able to sort that out a
little bit so that the personcan can let themselves off their
own hook, so they can givethemselves a little bit of grace
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and use it one to bring peaceto that place where they're
feeling discomfort and a lack ofpeace, but then also so they
can learn those lessons.
And then, okay, how can weapply this to your, to your
relationships now, so that thepast does not beat them up?
Lessons, and then, okay, howcan we apply this to your, to
your relationships now, so thatthe past does not beat them up
and they're able to use that tobetter their future?
Speaker 1 (21:22):
yeah, I agree.
Um, oh, in my break I moved tooklahoma from texas and the
church I go to.
I went to two different onesand I have a lot of people talk
about grief on my podcast.
So I stepped into a griefWednesday seminar and just
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listened to hear the stories andeverything and it was so good
for me because I understand itbetter.
And then, unfortunately, rightnow my father he's declining so
I'm trying to be with him moreand ask him questions and I
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don't know there's a company outthere that has them fill out
like questions for them and Iwas like that would be really
cool because, as I'm hittingalmost 50, not quite there yet,
but I would like to have thatbecause they want you to carry
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on the happy moments andremember them for that.
So, yeah, that was a big one.
How would everybody listeninghere get to you?
What is?
Speaker 2 (22:56):
your website and all those details.
Yeah, the website isSueBowlescom and if you're, you
know the name is spellsB-O-W-L-E-S.
And if I speak real quick tothe one thing about what you
said, about what your dad shared, his story I gave my book a
book like that, similar to mydad, and he didn't fill out a
lot of it.
But after he passed, we'regoing through things I found it
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no-transcript.
A lot of it filled out, but thethings that, first of all, I
had my dad's handwriting.
Second of all, um, there aresome really cool things there
that none of us really knew, soit was really really encouraging
in that regard.
Um, and you can get them on onamazon.
The other thing I encouragepeople and this would be for you
as well would be um, whenyou're having conversations with
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him, just set your phone onrecord and don't let them know
it and just totally forget thatit's recording.
I have some of the bestconversations with my mom on my
phone.
Two weeks before she passed,one of the last recorded
conversations we have and mynews is during COVID was how to
pass out Halloween candy safely.
But that's what we were talkingabout and I love it.
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That was where her mind was.
So I have some of the craziestconversations with mom recorded
on my phone, which I've nowsaved.
But what's cool is well, we hada large family, our first full
family Christmas in 2019, hereat my house.
We had 15 people cramming myhouse of 12,000, we had the best
time.
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It was so epic and it ended upbeing our last family Christmas.
I set my tablet over on theshelf and just recorded for four
hours of all the banter, allthe laughter and I just having
it.
You know, when mom wasdeclining in the hospital, I was
recording.
We had people call her to saygoodbye and I was recording
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those phone calls.
I mean just all kinds of things, because now we have that
journey, so just it's one way tohelp.
Um, so what I call anticipatorygrief.
It kind of just helps a littlebit, and then you have those
those stories later.
But yeah, sorry, all that again.
Uh, where people can reach me isat subullscom and if they go to
the website I have.
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One of the keys to keeping hopealive is to keep encouragement
alive, and I have a weekly textI send out on Wednesdays called
Hump Day Help, and it's justsomething comes right to your
phone they can sign up for thatat the website.
Go to subullscom.
You'll see a little thing comeacross around the homepage about
Humpday Help.
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Go ahead and sign up for that.
I'll get you on the list rightaway.
It's just something I send outWednesdays to encourage people,
but as well, there's informationabout life coaching.
There's the books around there,some other things I have some
wristbands and stuff that I havearound there as well.
I would love to get the booksin people's hands.
But let's hear from you.
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What are you learning?
What are you struggling with?
How can I help you?
Because that's what thatwebsite's all about is how can I
help you take your next step?
Because my business name yousee on the shirt says my step
ahead, and the whole concept isyou only have to be.
You only have to be a stepahead to help the person behind
you.
You don't have to have it allfigured out, you don't have to
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be an expert.
You have life experience andtherefore you have something to
offer.
And that is what I do as acoach is I is I empower people
and work with those who arerewriting their narrative so
they can do this, so they canlive the life they don't think
they deserve, because theyreally do.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Yeah, that's great.
And also on my website,keephopealivepodcastcom, I have
a store and I'm going to beadding your books to this store
so you guys can go, yeah, and itwill go right to the amazon
link and everything.
So definitely.
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So what are your plans in thefuture?
Do you know that?
Speaker 2 (26:56):
wow.
Well, a few things.
One right now I'm reallyworking on my youtube channel
because I I am passionate about,I'm on a mission to help break
the stigma around mental health,especially with Christians,
because Christians, for whateverreason, feel like they're not
allowed to struggle, and that isnot the case.
You look at Jesus in the garden.
Jesus dealt with anxiety.
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Jesus dealt with God I don'twant to do this and Jesus
struggled through to surrenderof, but not my will, but yours
be done.
So mental health is biblical.
Addressing mental health andstruggling with mental health is
an example.
All over the Old Testament.
There are so many examples,even the New Testament.
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Look at when Lazarus was in thetomb, four days of grief before
he was raised.
I mean there's so many, so manythings right there in the word.
So I'm on a mission, so part ofmy future is is really working
on the youtube channel.
I'm having a lot of fun.
I I'm also, uh, starting tostarting to write some chapters
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for my fourth book and that'sgoing to be.
That's going to be called dareto dare to believe.
You matter because part of partof what my step ahead has done
is launched the dare to believemovement, because everything
with mental health comes down toone question, and this is what
I've heard when I'm out speaking.
I love when people come up talkto me after I speak somewhere,
or they come up to me at a merchtape.
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One event and I heard a lot ofwhispers of doubt of oh, you
don't know my story, you don'tknow what's happened to me.
Are you sure I could?
Is that possible for me?
And everything that I wasstruggling with in 2014 is still
a struggle now.
So the Dare to Believe movementis all about how you answer the
question for yourself Do Ibelieve that I matter?
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It's important that othersbelieve in you, but until you
can say in a solid bedrockfoundation way that yes, I
believe in me, permanent lifechange cannot and will not
happen.
So we wanted there to believemovement that has its own
separate website with some freedownloadables on it as well, and
it's all about finding manydifferent ways to empower people
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wherever they are on their walk.
Maybe someone's not ready forcoaching yet, but they want to
start kind of talking about fearand imposter syndrome.
It's what the Dare to BelieveMovement website has.
Maybe they're to the point Ican't live like this anymore.
Something's got to change.
I'm ready to start talkingabout learning how to
communicate and they want toenter into coaching with me.
Go to my website, do that, so I.
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It's that.
That's my mission, in whateverway it takes.
That's my mission is to helpbreak the stigma around mental
health and help people have abetter life once that yeah, and
that is very important and theycan find you through there.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
And do you guys ever have like a Zoom?
Multiple people join in and doa talking.
Like you know, today we'retalking about grief or
relationships, Do you do that?
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Yeah, I don't do a lot of those yet.
I'm starting to do that, dothem?
I?
Actually, about a month ago I'dactually done an event on on
eventbrite about getting thestory straight and identity, uh,
so I am looking to do more ofthose.
And yeah, if people go, ifpeople go to my website, they
sign up for that hump, they help, they'll get that information.
So when I have it coming out, II also communicate that with
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them.
Um, so, I can you know, get'llget that information.
So when I have it coming out, II also communicate that with
them.
Um, so, I can you get that, getthat word out to them, because,
yeah, I, I enjoy doing thosethings because, again, it's one
way you to help people withwherever they are and help them
take the next step forward andare you thinking of writing
another book?
Yeah, uh, just a little bit agoI mentioned I'm just a little
(30:46):
bit there.
I mentioned I'm starting towrite some chapters for my
fourth book called Dare toBelieve you Matter.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Okay, I have another.
Do you have your own podcast?
Speaker 2 (30:57):
I do not have a podcast yet.
I have so many other thingsgoing on.
Podcasts would be a little toomuch.
Whatever I do, I want to dowith excellence and I don't feel
I'm at the point of being ableto do a podcast that way.
But with my YouTube channel, asI load up more videos, I'm
trying.
As I do more videos, people aregetting a snippet of what my
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heart is, and those aren't justinformational, they're about
real life stuff and givingpeople tools to apply.
So a lot of things I talk aboutwith my coaching clients are
things that I'm including in myYouTube videos Because, again,
it's something that can helpanybody.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
That's really really good.
I know I watch a lot of YouTubevideos and stuff like that, so
okay.
So we got all your contactinformation and it's been a real
pleasure to talk to you aboutall this and being an author, a
speaker.
I really wanted to be a speaker.
(32:04):
I really wanted to be a speakerand just feel like I can't
because all the words just popout kind of like a robot now for
me.
And you know I became arelationship coach many years
ago, but it's.
You know, I had one date thisis a funny story.
(32:28):
He wanted to go on a lunch dateand we go, we sit down, he had
a tea, I had a tea, and then hegoes how can I get back with my
ex-wife?
And I was like, oh, so Iswitched into relationship coach
on a date.
(32:48):
So, yeah, it's been a real funtime when you have so many
people.
You know I've been asked to do apodcast over and over and over
and it just worked in my favor,which I like talking to people
(33:10):
and some people want to cover my.
I'll stop talking to you Now.
They get your wish.
It's hard to talk, but yeah,definitely when I put this out
there on Facebook and everything, this podcast you guys will
have all her information as well.
Remember to go into the storepart of the website.
(33:35):
You'll be able to find herinformation by there.
So, if you would like to be aguest also on Keep Fofa Live you
just got to work with me alittle bit on that side, but I'd
love to have you, um, on thewebsite you can register to be a
(33:59):
guest also.
So, um, once again, sue, I it'sbeen a pleasure to have you on
on and until next time I want tofollow up with you and see
about your fourth book going outand everything.
So, all right, guys, until nexttime.
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Have a good time, guys, I thinkit's time.
Wait, it's recording.
hello and welcome.
To keep hope alive.
I have sue bowls with us.
She is an author, speaker andmaster life coach and we're
going to dive in to interviewing.
So welcome here for the podcastand everything.
We're so happy to have you um,and I'm going to give you guys
(00:23):
an update on me really quick.
I hear it in my voice I amhaving seizures again and I get
about maybe three to five a dayand I developed this thing
called aphasia and sometimesit's hard or repetitive.
(00:45):
I just got to take breaks, butI'm not going to let it rule me.
So Keep Hope Alive is going togo and there's no edits to the
way I ever talk.
Well, let's get started.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
My biggest question is who is Sue?
Oh, wow, that's a big questionright there.
First of all, may I applaud youfor your courage and your
vulnerability, to be an exampleto others, to keep hope alive
and to not let life get in theway, cause that's what this
whole thing is all about.
So trudge forward, keep moving.
I'm excited for you.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
So who is Sue?
Speaker 2 (01:23):
sue, uh, thanks.
So who is sue?
Uh, sue, is someone easy one?
I wish, um.
I'm someone who's experienced alot in my life and I've come
out the other side where now Iam helping others as they deal
with their stuff.
But what's important for me isthat what has happened to me,
(01:48):
what I've endured, even whatI've come through and where I am
now, doesn't define me, becausethose are experiences, those
are life circumstances, but itdoesn't define me.
Who I am is a child of God whohas hung on to him the coattails
of faith is what I call it andI've hung on to him and clung to
(02:12):
what I know is true for me, andthat is the one thing that has
gotten me through.
What life would say is just waytoo much.
I know we'll get into that, butit's important for me to let
people know that my identity andwho I am is not what I do, it's
not what I've overcome, it'swho I am, and that is shown by
(02:35):
what I do now.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Oh, that's beautifully said.
I can't wait to hear more, soyeah.
But I can't wait to hear more,so yeah, and I can make fun of
myself.
I'm just going to let you talk.
I know you're an author andspeaker, so I guess my question
(03:03):
to you is how did you become anauthor?
Speaker 2 (03:08):
And when did you want to start everything?
Yeah well, let me back up alittle bit and share some of the
stories so people understandwhat I'm referring to.
I'm a childhood rape survivor.
I was raped by a classmate whenI was seven years old.
I was enticed into the woods onthe school property after
school.
When I was seven years old, Iwas enticed into the woods on
the school property after school, held against my will for 45
minutes, and the last words myperpetrator said to me were
(03:37):
don't tell anybody.
And he went out the other endof the woods.
I went out the opposite end towhere my mom was looking for me
and at that point in time, thisearly seventies, rape was not on
the culture, on the radar.
It wasn't part of culture.
Nobody knew to ask anything andI didn't know to say anything
and unfortunately I kept it asecret for 15 years, into my
senior year of college.
So anyone who has a little bitof understanding of trauma
(03:59):
understands that traumaliterally rewires your brain and
you find different ways ofprocessing things.
So I didn't have a chance to bea normal kid.
I went right into survival mode.
So everything that Iexperienced from age seven to 18
was through those lenses ofsurvival.
I only had part of the story.
I didn't have a full story, soI was telling myself things that
(04:21):
weren't true.
I was believing things thatweren't true and I was acting in
a way that was indicative thatsomething had happened, but at
that time, society still didn'tunderstand it.
So, within that, I've dabbledwith.
I've struggled with depression,I've struggled with anxiety.
I've dabbled with cutting Twice.
(04:43):
I've considered ending my life.
I am in recovery from an eatingdisorder.
My parents divorced after 34years of marriage.
At the time of this recording,this is July 2025, I lost mom
and dad in two and a half yearsof each other.
October 5th 2020 was mom,december 27th 2022 was dad.
(05:03):
And life happens.
There's been a lot to endureand for the longest time, I was
mad at god.
I'm a christ follower that isthe most important thing, around
which everything else revolvesand I was hacked off at god and
it's called this much.
I know the space between yeah,and I see the address at the end
.
(05:24):
But the first book I started towrite in 2015 was the Rape for
the First Time and over fourdecades after it happened.
And then, in 2016, I enteredrecovery from my eating disorder
for the first time and thatalone is a whole different story
(05:45):
.
But I started writing book in2015 because part of my recovery
in 2014 with dealing with therape was I went, I attended a
retreat called walking stickretreats, and there was a movie
out earlier that year calledrack muffin which which was
based on the life of a latechristian musician, rich mullins
, and one of the themes of themovie was about the that we wear
(06:05):
, you fake it till you make it.
And the retreat was goingdeeper into some of these themes
.
So I went to the retreat and Iwent into that retreat calling
myself the holy exception.
I was starting to implode fromwork dealing with the rape and I
believed the lie that I was tooscrewed up, too far gone and
and a total waste of space.
(06:25):
And I left that retreat threedays later saying and starting
to believe Christ not only lovesme, he likes me and he's head
over heels in love with me.
And that's what started writingthe book.
It started out as wanting toshare things I have learned in
my life journey, and each end ofeach chapter ends with a this
(06:47):
much I know, dot, dot, dot.
A little summary and then itkind of took on a different
format.
It kind of just becamecathartic and I started really
sharing my story in much deeperdetail than I ever had.
Because what happened in thatfirst retreat is I had to own my
story.
I was in denial about my storyand then you, you know, more and
(07:11):
more came out.
The book published in 2019, itwon the award in 2020 and um,
yeah, it was.
It's a treasure because it wasa chance to really be authentic.
It's gotten uh, you've gotgreat amazon reviews, and just
what I love most are the emailsI get.
I had one person say I don'tknow if I should hug you, hit
you or throw the book out thewindow because it struck so many
nerves for them.
That was a huge compliment forme, where I talk to people after
(07:35):
I'm done speaking at an eventand they'll come up and they'll
say I've read your book or Iheard this, or whatever.
There are two books that havecome out since Breaking the
Silence Forces of Survivors,volume one and two.
Those are anthologies.
I have a chapter in each one ofthose and those both become
Amazon bestsellers.
And with all this, to say thepower of story Every person has
(07:58):
a story and it's the one person,one thing no one can take from
you.
And when we share that story,that's when we give power to it,
that's when we take back ourpower from what the events have
taken from us, and it givespermission to other people who
might be sharing, might bestruggling and are afraid of
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saying something.
One of the things for me whenSimone Biles came out with her
story, it gave me permission toshare mine, and now look at what
I'm doing as a result of that.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
You see, that's really good.
I finally wrote a book and it'sbased on a true story.
But I hear from other peoplethrough my church oh no, you
probably don't want to put thatout there in the world, and I
was like why it will helpsomebody else.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
So it just sits on my laptop right now and, um, I
guess all these people that dothe publishing they need
thousands of dollars, so I don'teven know where to take it
right now right, and my booksare all self-published and it's
(09:13):
a journey in and of itself, butI found an editor on was it
thumbtack or I think I thinkthumbtack and had somebody edit
it the first round.
Edits weren't the best, uh, butI've learned more since.
Uh, there's, there's a lot youcan do for five hundred dollars
to get a book out there.
(09:33):
Uh, and and I, I personallyenjoy this, the self-published I
just said I can just not retainmy rights but share the story
that when I feel like I want toshare it.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
So yeah, definitely, definitely yeah.
So there's a course on.
I think Alexa is hearing me,because Facebook keeps popping
up publishers and I was like Ilooked at one and I just got
like turned away from it becausethey're coming.
(10:05):
Oh, how can we help you rightaway?
And it's just like slow down.
So I'm just going to sit onthat and see other people's
experiences and what I can do,so, but that is good.
Best sellers on Amazon have youdone book signings?
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Not anything official .
I've signed a lot of books.
I haven't held any officialbook signings.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Okay, so we know it's on Amazon.
Did you put it in any retailplaces also?
Speaker 2 (10:41):
No, it's only available online.
Right now, the best good isgoing to be on my website.
Actually, I have them all rightthere.
I actually have a a supply ofall my books right here in my
office ready to ship them out.
So, and again, at the end wecan give the website and
everything of where they canfind, find me and get the books
and everything like that,because then, when they order it
(11:02):
through my website, I canpersonally autograph it for them
.
They buy it somewhere else.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
I can't do that I know, are you gonna have an
audible version of it um?
Speaker 2 (11:15):
I have thought about that.
I haven't looked into it awhole lot just yet.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Uh, it might be something worth doing because
it's a definitely there's peoplelike me and so with with
aphasia guys, it it's hard forme to read and text people and I
mean I'm trying to learn whatis needed because a lot of
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people don't know what it is andstroke victims and and seizure
people, they can get aphasia andit's just been hard.
You know the little things wetake for granted.
So I ask all the time is itaudible so I can put my AirPods
(12:00):
and listen to it?
Speaker 2 (12:02):
So, yeah, you're inspiring me to look into that
more.
So there you go.
If I go that route, I'll besure to let you know.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Oh, that's cool.
That's so cool.
Okay, and I see that you'realso a life coach, a master life
coach.
Tell us about all of that.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Yeah, I am an ACC certified master life and mental
health coach now and that ACCis really important because that
is a global certificationthrough the International
Coaching Federation, which isthe gold standard of coaching.
That means I've gone throughrigorous training and mentorship
and passed an audio review.
An audio review and then passeda four hour exam to earn the
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certification.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Well, congratulations , that's a huge step.
So how do you get clients?
Speaker 2 (13:01):
I equated that for you.
How do I get clients and?
Speaker 1 (13:12):
what well?
How do you um?
Speaker 2 (13:15):
so yeah oh yeah, uh, I think there's a little bit bit
of an internet lag, so, uh,real quick.
I equate the ACC certificationprocess to, uh, what I went
through to get my master's.
It was that involved and I getclients a number of different
ways and a number you know.
Some people find me onpsychology today because I have
(13:37):
a master's degree in acounseling related field.
I was able to appeal topsychology today and they
approved me for listing.
They don't usually take lifecoaches, but because I have that
background in psychology, theyapproved me, so I'm pretty proud
of that.
So a number of people find meon psychology today.
Other people find me through mywebsite.
(13:59):
They'll hear me speak and theysay, hey, I want to work with
you.
Other people see me on Facebooka number of different ways.
I'm on Facebook.
I'm on YouTube I'm reallyexpanding my YouTube channel and
that's been fun.
So they find me a number ofdifferent ways, word of mouth as
well.
So any number of ways.
I spoke at a retreat, speakingat a retreat here in a couple of
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weeks.
I spoke at one last year andsomebody approached me eight
months a year later and said hey, I remember this, I want to
work with you now.
So any number of different ways.
That's why I enjoy being outthere in the public and just
doing speaking and doingpodcasts and doing the YouTube,
because there are many peopleout there who want help and
(14:43):
don't know how to get it and I'mable to be that for them.
Let me explain just quickly foryour listeners, because there
may be somebody listening who iswondering what is life coaching
and is that something thatcould help me?
I'm not sure about this stuff.
Counseling and coaching arerelated and they are different.
Counseling deals with helpingyou resolve issues from your
(15:05):
past that are still affectingyou today.
Coaching deals it helps youfocus on your present to get you
to your future.
So coaches do not diagnose.
Coaches are not.
We don't deal with the DSM-5.
We don't do a lot of thosethings that counseling does.
Coaching is goal-oriented,focus-oriented.
(15:27):
Now, as a mental health coach, Ihelp people who are struggling
with things that are affectingtheir mental health before it
becomes a diagnosable mentalhealth issue.
So I talk a lot with my clientsabout boundaries, about
communication, aboutrelationships, about anxiety,
about depression, about timemanagement.
(15:50):
I work with clients who areswitching careers, so I work
with a lot of different areasand we head it off before it
gets to the point that it's adiagnosable mental health issue
of anxiety or depression oranything like that.
Part of it as well is when I'mtalking with a potential client,
I do a 15 minute no cost callso we can talk about what the
(16:14):
concerns are, what is it theywant to achieve and if coaching
is right for them.
There have been times where Ineed to tell a client that I am
not right for you because whatyou are looking for and the
mitigating factors are moresomething that a therapist and a
counseling center are going tohelp you with.
But then my obligation, myresponsibility to best help that
(16:36):
client is to help them find acounselor and I will go, I will
help them research right then onthe phone call because I want
to help that person who has hadthe courage to reach out for
help.
And just because I'm not thebest match doesn't mean they
don't deserve help and doesn'tmean I can't help them to that
degree.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
I agree with that 100%.
You said something you knowcommunication is very important
and with relationships do youget people like married couple I
can't talk Married couples comein and try to get help and
(17:19):
stuff like that, or boyfriendand girlfriends.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Yeah, I haven't had married couples yet.
The probably most significantcouple I worked with was a
mother-daughter.
They had a huge falling outaround the holidays, around
COVID.
They'd said their relationshipwas about a 10.
And when they came to me theysaid I would say it's about a
four and we worked togetherabout two months and at the time
when the time they finishedcoaching, they felt it was back
(17:46):
to an eight and they had thetools to be able to get it back
back to where they wanted it tobe.
I've heard from them since.
They are doing very well.
The relationships have beenrestored, they're thriving and
much of what they were workingthrough was learning how to
listen to the other withoutjudgment, without attachment,
and that's something I reallytalk about is the judgments we
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make in a comment or in what wehear from somebody and how we're
interpreting it versus what wasactually said.
That is a real core, key elementof communication struggles is
intention versus perception andneeding to back those out so
that you can look at somethingwithout the emotional attachment
(18:30):
.
To just see it what I call kindof like a police report just the
facts Instead of reading in thejudgment and the emotional
attachment to something which isattached to your interpretation
, which is based on all of yourfilters, when we were able to
back that out and screen thatout, we look at just what was
(18:50):
the reach of the communication,communication what was said, and
then how do you want to respondto that?
And that was a lot of what I,when I was working with with
that couple, and each time theycame back and there were some
hard conversations, some reallyhard conversations.
But once they learned to listento each other and they were
(19:12):
able to really have those hardconversations heart to heart,
and some of it was in our calls,I would facilitate some of this
hard communication.
But to hear them doing so wellnow, and that the grandkids who
were kind of I don't want to sayvictims, but they were being
affected by all this, are nowthriving and have the
(19:34):
relationship with thegrandparents.
It's been really neat to hear.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
That is really good.
Another big one is grief.
Have you had any clients withgrief?
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Yes, and grief is a tangled web, yes, it's a heavy
one.
Having walked through my owngrief, I have learned a lot that
I'm able to help with myclients with now, and a lot of
it is just that it's okay to notbe okay to.
(20:11):
You know how to work throughsome of those doubts, some of
those what ifs, those woulda,shoulda, coulda, and again kind
of not use the woulda, shoulda,coulda as a means to beat
yourself up, because that'swhere people get stuck, but to
say, okay, in this situation Idid the best with what I had at
that point in time.
Because usually when we'relooking at something with woulda
shoulda, coulda, we're making ajudgment, again that attachment
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, we're making a judgment on apast situation with our current
understanding, and that is notfair to ourselves or the
situation.
So, again, some of workingthrough grief and those
struggles that go with that isbeing able to sort that out a
little bit so that the personcan can let themselves off their
own hook, so they can givethemselves a little bit of grace
(21:01):
and use it one to bring peaceto that place where they're
feeling discomfort and a lack ofpeace, but then also so they
can learn those lessons.
And then, okay, how can weapply this to your, to your
relationships now, so that thepast does not beat them up?
Lessons, and then, okay, howcan we apply this to your, to
your relationships now, so thatthe past does not beat them up
and they're able to use that tobetter their future?
Speaker 1 (21:22):
yeah, I agree.
Um, oh, in my break I moved tooklahoma from texas and the
church I go to.
I went to two different onesand I have a lot of people talk
about grief on my podcast.
So I stepped into a griefWednesday seminar and just
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listened to hear the stories andeverything and it was so good
for me because I understand itbetter.
And then, unfortunately, rightnow my father he's declining so
I'm trying to be with him moreand ask him questions and I
(22:14):
don't know there's a company outthere that has them fill out
like questions for them and Iwas like that would be really
cool because, as I'm hittingalmost 50, not quite there yet,
but I would like to have thatbecause they want you to carry
(22:37):
on the happy moments andremember them for that.
So, yeah, that was a big one.
How would everybody listeninghere get to you?
What is?
Speaker 2 (22:56):
your website and all those details.
Yeah, the website isSueBowlescom and if you're, you
know the name is spellsB-O-W-L-E-S.
And if I speak real quick tothe one thing about what you
said, about what your dad shared, his story I gave my book a
book like that, similar to mydad, and he didn't fill out a
lot of it.
But after he passed, we'regoing through things I found it
(23:20):
no-transcript.
A lot of it filled out, but thethings that, first of all, I
had my dad's handwriting.
Second of all, um, there aresome really cool things there
that none of us really knew, soit was really really encouraging
in that regard.
Um, and you can get them on onamazon.
The other thing I encouragepeople and this would be for you
as well would be um, whenyou're having conversations with
(23:40):
him, just set your phone onrecord and don't let them know
it and just totally forget thatit's recording.
I have some of the bestconversations with my mom on my
phone.
Two weeks before she passed,one of the last recorded
conversations we have and mynews is during COVID was how to
pass out Halloween candy safely.
But that's what we were talkingabout and I love it.
(24:04):
That was where her mind was.
So I have some of the craziestconversations with mom recorded
on my phone, which I've nowsaved.
But what's cool is well, we hada large family, our first full
family Christmas in 2019, hereat my house.
We had 15 people cramming myhouse of 12,000, we had the best
time.
(24:25):
It was so epic and it ended upbeing our last family Christmas.
I set my tablet over on theshelf and just recorded for four
hours of all the banter, allthe laughter and I just having
it.
You know, when mom wasdeclining in the hospital, I was
recording.
We had people call her to saygoodbye and I was recording
(24:45):
those phone calls.
I mean just all kinds of things, because now we have that
journey, so just it's one way tohelp.
Um, so what I call anticipatorygrief.
It kind of just helps a littlebit, and then you have those
those stories later.
But yeah, sorry, all that again.
Uh, where people can reach me isat subullscom and if they go to
the website I have.
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One of the keys to keeping hopealive is to keep encouragement
alive, and I have a weekly textI send out on Wednesdays called
Hump Day Help, and it's justsomething comes right to your
phone they can sign up for thatat the website.
Go to subullscom.
You'll see a little thing comeacross around the homepage about
Humpday Help.
(25:26):
Go ahead and sign up for that.
I'll get you on the list rightaway.
It's just something I send outWednesdays to encourage people,
but as well, there's informationabout life coaching.
There's the books around there,some other things I have some
wristbands and stuff that I havearound there as well.
I would love to get the booksin people's hands.
But let's hear from you.
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What are you learning?
What are you struggling with?
How can I help you?
Because that's what thatwebsite's all about is how can I
help you take your next step?
Because my business name yousee on the shirt says my step
ahead, and the whole concept isyou only have to be.
You only have to be a stepahead to help the person behind
you.
You don't have to have it allfigured out, you don't have to
(26:06):
be an expert.
You have life experience andtherefore you have something to
offer.
And that is what I do as acoach is I is I empower people
and work with those who arerewriting their narrative so
they can do this, so they canlive the life they don't think
they deserve, because theyreally do.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Yeah, that's great.
And also on my website,keephopealivepodcastcom, I have
a store and I'm going to beadding your books to this store
so you guys can go, yeah, and itwill go right to the amazon
link and everything.
So definitely.
(26:48):
So what are your plans in thefuture?
Do you know that?
Speaker 2 (26:56):
wow.
Well, a few things.
One right now I'm reallyworking on my youtube channel
because I I am passionate about,I'm on a mission to help break
the stigma around mental health,especially with Christians,
because Christians, for whateverreason, feel like they're not
allowed to struggle, and that isnot the case.
You look at Jesus in the garden.
Jesus dealt with anxiety.
(27:17):
Jesus dealt with God I don'twant to do this and Jesus
struggled through to surrenderof, but not my will, but yours
be done.
So mental health is biblical.
Addressing mental health andstruggling with mental health is
an example.
All over the Old Testament.
There are so many examples,even the New Testament.
(27:38):
Look at when Lazarus was in thetomb, four days of grief before
he was raised.
I mean there's so many, so manythings right there in the word.
So I'm on a mission, so part ofmy future is is really working
on the youtube channel.
I'm having a lot of fun.
I I'm also, uh, starting tostarting to write some chapters
(27:59):
for my fourth book and that'sgoing to be.
That's going to be called dareto dare to believe.
You matter because part of partof what my step ahead has done
is launched the dare to believemovement, because everything
with mental health comes down toone question, and this is what
I've heard when I'm out speaking.
I love when people come up talkto me after I speak somewhere,
or they come up to me at a merchtape.
(28:20):
One event and I heard a lot ofwhispers of doubt of oh, you
don't know my story, you don'tknow what's happened to me.
Are you sure I could?
Is that possible for me?
And everything that I wasstruggling with in 2014 is still
a struggle now.
So the Dare to Believe movementis all about how you answer the
question for yourself Do Ibelieve that I matter?
(28:43):
It's important that othersbelieve in you, but until you
can say in a solid bedrockfoundation way that yes, I
believe in me, permanent lifechange cannot and will not
happen.
So we wanted there to believemovement that has its own
separate website with some freedownloadables on it as well, and
it's all about finding manydifferent ways to empower people
(29:06):
wherever they are on their walk.
Maybe someone's not ready forcoaching yet, but they want to
start kind of talking about fearand imposter syndrome.
It's what the Dare to BelieveMovement website has.
Maybe they're to the point Ican't live like this anymore.
Something's got to change.
I'm ready to start talkingabout learning how to
communicate and they want toenter into coaching with me.
Go to my website, do that, so I.
(29:27):
It's that.
That's my mission, in whateverway it takes.
That's my mission is to helpbreak the stigma around mental
health and help people have abetter life once that yeah, and
that is very important and theycan find you through there.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
And do you guys ever have like a Zoom?
Multiple people join in and doa talking.
Like you know, today we'retalking about grief or
relationships, Do you do that?
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Yeah, I don't do a lot of those yet.
I'm starting to do that, dothem?
I?
Actually, about a month ago I'dactually done an event on on
eventbrite about getting thestory straight and identity, uh,
so I am looking to do more ofthose.
And yeah, if people go, ifpeople go to my website, they
sign up for that hump, they help, they'll get that information.
So when I have it coming out, II also communicate that with
(30:25):
them.
Um, so, I can you know, get'llget that information.
So when I have it coming out, II also communicate that with
them.
Um, so, I can you get that, getthat word out to them, because,
yeah, I, I enjoy doing thosethings because, again, it's one
way you to help people withwherever they are and help them
take the next step forward andare you thinking of writing
another book?
Yeah, uh, just a little bit agoI mentioned I'm just a little
(30:46):
bit there.
I mentioned I'm starting towrite some chapters for my
fourth book called Dare toBelieve you Matter.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Okay, I have another.
Do you have your own podcast?
Speaker 2 (30:57):
I do not have a podcast yet.
I have so many other thingsgoing on.
Podcasts would be a little toomuch.
Whatever I do, I want to dowith excellence and I don't feel
I'm at the point of being ableto do a podcast that way.
But with my YouTube channel, asI load up more videos, I'm
trying.
As I do more videos, people aregetting a snippet of what my
(31:19):
heart is, and those aren't justinformational, they're about
real life stuff and givingpeople tools to apply.
So a lot of things I talk aboutwith my coaching clients are
things that I'm including in myYouTube videos Because, again,
it's something that can helpanybody.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
That's really really good.
I know I watch a lot of YouTubevideos and stuff like that, so
okay.
So we got all your contactinformation and it's been a real
pleasure to talk to you aboutall this and being an author, a
speaker.
I really wanted to be a speaker.
(32:04):
I really wanted to be a speakerand just feel like I can't
because all the words just popout kind of like a robot now for
me.
And you know I became arelationship coach many years
ago, but it's.
You know, I had one date thisis a funny story.
(32:28):
He wanted to go on a lunch dateand we go, we sit down, he had
a tea, I had a tea, and then hegoes how can I get back with my
ex-wife?
And I was like, oh, so Iswitched into relationship coach
on a date.
(32:48):
So, yeah, it's been a real funtime when you have so many
people.
You know I've been asked to do apodcast over and over and over
and it just worked in my favor,which I like talking to people
(33:10):
and some people want to cover my.
I'll stop talking to you Now.
They get your wish.
It's hard to talk, but yeah,definitely when I put this out
there on Facebook and everything, this podcast you guys will
have all her information as well.
Remember to go into the storepart of the website.
(33:35):
You'll be able to find herinformation by there.
So, if you would like to be aguest also on Keep Fofa Live you
just got to work with me alittle bit on that side, but I'd
love to have you, um, on thewebsite you can register to be a
(33:59):
guest also.
So, um, once again, sue, I it'sbeen a pleasure to have you on
on and until next time I want tofollow up with you and see
about your fourth book going outand everything.
So, all right, guys, until nexttime.
(34:19):
Have a good time, guys, I thinkit's time.
Wait, it's recording.
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