October 16, 2024 • 14 mins
Because books is what we do, nerds! Tune in to hear us geek out about why we decided to pivot to v̶i̶d̶e̶o̶ text in our almost-here new title, Religion Is Not Done With You.
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Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst (00:17):
This is Keeping it 101
Introduction to religionpodcast, which is part of the
amplify podcast network. We aregrateful to live, teach and
record on the current ancestraland unceded lands of the Abenaki
and Wabanaki peoples, as well asthe lands of one federally
recognized native nation, theEastern Band of Cherokee
Indians, and seven NorthCarolina state recognized tribal
(00:39):
entities. Increasingly, though,native folks are pushing us to
forgo land acknowledgementsaltogether and focus on action
items. So let's obviously startwith land back. And as always,
you can find material ways tosupport indigenous communities
on our website.
Megan Goodwin (00:52):
What is up, nerds? Hi, hello. I'm Megan
Goodwin, a scholar of Americanreligions, race, gender and
politics.
Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst (00:59):
Hi, hello. I'm Ilyse Morgenstein
Fuerst, a historian of religion,Islam, race and racialization
and South Asia.
Megan Goodwin (01:06):
Hi, hello.
Indeed. It is so nice to be backin action. And today, you know,
after the requisite banter,obviously we need to do a
banter. We've got an episodethat's sort of getting at a
question we get constantly frommany of our dear nerds and our
families, chosen or otherwise,our students, and frankly, like
a lot of editorial boards,
Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst (01:26):
ooh, I have a feeling I know where this
is going.
Megan Goodwin (01:30):
You should you do our outlines? You wrote these
words, the words that I amsaying right now.
Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst (01:37):
If that were true, I might write
some wild things like, um,
Megan Goodwin (01:41):
Purple Monkey, dishwasher, fart, hell damn ass.
Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst (01:42):
I win.
I win this round.
Megan Goodwin (01:43):
You do a winner?
Is you anyway?
It was the blurst of times?!
Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst (01:54):
You were saying, Where is this
going? Where are we taking ournerds?
Megan Goodwin (01:57):
As you might have heard, dear listeners, we have a
new book coming out with BeaconPress on November 5, 2024. It is
called Religion is Not Done withYou.
Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst (02:06):
And nothing else is happening on
that day, like voting in theUnited States for either a felon
or a black woman cop. Like nobig deal. Nothing else is going
on on november 5. ,
Megan Goodwin (02:19):
Yeah there was a lull! We saw a gap in the
calendar, and thought, You knowwhat? This is our moment. Yep.
Ilyse Morgenstein Fuers (02:25):
Anyway, because of that lull, that
deeply slow news cycle thatwe're anticipating in the
future, because this book iscoming out in this lull, we get
a lot of asks about why we dowhat we do as podcasters, for
sure, and we've talked aboutthat on this podcast a few
times, as well as several otherpodcasts, like on the Amplify
(02:47):
Network Stream and on Engenderand a few other places.
Megan Goodwin (02:51):
yep, but this is a specific question we get about
why we decided to take a podcastand turn it into a book.
Famously, you can listen to usfor free. We are very
affordable, I know, but a book,she costs money, if not for you,
then for your local library. AndBt Dubs, we love it when you get
our book at the local library.
We also love it when you buy it,but, but Hooray for libraries,
(03:11):
which is a weird politicalmoment that that is a political
statement, but like Hooray forlibraries anyway, this episode
is an answer for why we wrotethis book as a book.
Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst (03:25):
Yeah, this episode is one of a couple
more episodes like this to behonest with you. One, we're
gonna focus on how the writinghappens. Another, we're focusing
on how we figured out how towrite together, because, dear
nerds, being best friends andchosen sisters does not mean it
does not mean that we know howto write in one voice. And
finally, we have a very specialmini so that we're dropping on
(03:48):
the fifth of November, a daywhere nothing else is happening,
where we read you ouracknowledgements.
Megan Goodwin (03:54):
which, like I'm feeling really smooshy about
that, to be honest, because welearned that the voice actor
who's recording the audiobook ofreligion is not done with
you--We have an audiobook. It'sso exciting, I cannot--but they
don't include theacknowledgements. That's not how
nonfiction gets done, I guess.
But we loved writing that partof our book, and we love
thinking people, and we love theidea of those thanks being in
(04:16):
our own voices,
Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst (04:18):
and lucky for us, we have our very
own audio platform ready to go,just ready
Megan Goodwin (04:25):
so feels coming at your face on november 5, but
for now,IRMF let's get into it. Why did
we write this book? Why turn apodcast, an audio medium, into a
book, a visual medium?
Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst (04:46):
Well, I had not ever thought of a book
as a visual medium, and thatjust threw me real hard. But,
well, it is, though it's avisual I don't know it's a
visual medium and a technology.
Anyway, yeah, the reason. Ireally enjoy turning our podcast
into a book is three reasonswhich will make our KathyFoody
(05:08):
giggle because I am a woman wholoves a list of three.
Megan Goodwin (05:15):
Three shall be the number of the list.
Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst (05:17):
Three is the number number one, books.
Books books is what we do. Likereal talk Megan, we are scholars
and academics, and so at acertain way we are trained,
regardless of whether or not ourspecific location in the academy
has shifted or exists or feelscorrect. We were trained to
(05:39):
write books. We were trained todo research and then put that
research out into the world,specifically in the form of
books, peer reviewed books. Sowe write books, we think in
books. Books are what we do.
That's number one.
Megan Goodwin (05:51):
Can we I feel like there needs to be merch,
like books are what we do, whichwould be fun again for a
podcast. What do we do? Books!
Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst (06:02):
all right, nerds, maybe we should
put out like, um, we are doingsome merch around the book. So
maybe we should put out like aquestionnaire, what merch would
you like, famously, for a audiomedium. Okay, the second thing
-- books is what we do, beefit's what's for dinner. The
second thing is, I think it's aquestion of audience, right?
(06:25):
Like we have figured out who ourpodcast audience is and has
been, and where we think wemight grow in the future, or who
we think our stalwarts are, butpodcasts have their audiences,
and books have their audiences,and, yeah, there's like, several
Venn diagrams in there, but Ithink it's easier to get this
book in the hands of like myaunts than it is to get the
(06:48):
podcast in their ears in aconsistent way.
Megan Goodwin (06:51):
Yeah
Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst (06:52):
and that's also something that we've
learned from my students. Mystudents love passing on podcast
episodes, but they're morelikely to share a book than they
are to be like, Yo, Ma, listento this podcast. You have to
listen to seven of them to getthe hang of it. And it's like,
well, that's that's a lot of outfrom your parents, dear,
(07:14):
beautiful students.
Megan Goodwin (07:15):
So podcasts are hard to skim. Yeah,
Ilyse Morgenstein Fuers (07:17):
they're hard to skim. And like, I really
do feel as an elder millennialand you representing Gen X, I
don't know that. I don't knowthat we enjoy the like, two
times speed of it all. Likewe're already fast. We sound
like Crazy Chipmunks, like, it'sjust not, it's not great, but a
book you can consume slowly or,like, in five minute intervals,
(07:39):
which feels less choppy than apodcast. So thing number one,
why we turn this pod into abook? Books is what we do.
Number two is this question ofaudience. I think we want more
people to be learning aboutreligion than we currently
reach. And the third is actuallyto do with that, that speed
thing,
Megan Goodwin (07:56):
the chipmunk issue,
Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst (07:59):
we talk, we talk really fast. And
even though we provide ourlisteners with transcripts and
have since day dot of, ourpodcast, our speaking voice in
the book is fast, right? Like wewrite fast, we think fast. Our
sentences kind of feel likewe're speaking in that fast
voice, but a reader has controlover how fast they read. And so
(08:21):
I do think that some of thethings we've said on the podcast
feel different, hit, differentsound different in the voice in
your head than listening to uskind of rapid fire with, you
know, some choice F bombs andgiggles. So I think, I think all
of those things means that thisidea we have for keeping it 101,
(08:44):
which is related to, but not thesame as what's going on in
Religion Is Not Done With You--Ithink it just gives us more
coverage of the arguments we'retrying to make.
Megan Goodwin (08:53):
And at the same time, I do think we retain a
little bit of our voice, ourspeaking voice in the podcast,
slash, remember when the copyeditor was like, What is this
crazy list of descriptors? Whyare there no commas? I'm like,
no, no, it's supposed to soundthat way. No, I did that on
purpose.
Ilyse Morgenstein (09:08):
Overwhelmed.
You want them to hear our voicerushing them through as if they
are cascading off a mountain,like you should be unsafe.
Megan Goodwin (09:17):
exactly be unsettled by this sentence and
also by this concept, and alsoby religion, which is not done
with you.
Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst (09:23):
Yeah, those commas are safety belts.
And like, listen, we live on theedge here in religion is not
done with you.
Megan Goodwin (09:29):
We were Traction Park, children, there are no
safety belts,
Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst (09:33):
not traction Park!
Megan Goodwin (09:35):
you heard me
Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst (09:35):
a plus New Jersey reference. Okay,
Goodwin. Why? So that's why Ithink we're turning this into a
podcast. Why or the podcast intoa book? Why did you do what we
did?
Megan Goodwin (09:46):
Oh, I mean, the folks at Beacon were kind enough
to ask us to write one so, like,I'm not gonna lie, most of the
things I published throughout mycareer were because somebody
nice asked me to write them. Ihave no competitive spirit
whatsoever. I am not formally inthe academy anymore, so I have
nothing to prove. And also Ijust, I don't, generally don't
(10:11):
just do stuff, but if somebodyasks me to do a thing like, oh,
oh, that sounds like fun. Sure,hey, why not? In this particular
instance, the nice person whowould eventually become our
editor at Beacon Press, AmyCaldwell, asked us if we would
like to write a book based onthis earpod. And we said, Yes,
please, and also thank you. Alsolike not to get gushy, but the
press is one of the big drawsfor me. I was ambivalent about
(10:34):
writing a podcast book ingeneral, but writing one for the
same press that published JamesBaldwin, Mary Daly, Kate
Bornstein, way too many otheramazing authors to list right
now, I enthusiastically consentto that. Yes, yes, yes. I said
yes. I will Yes. Other benefitsto writing down our thoughts
about religion instead of justspeaking them into the ether,
(10:55):
include, podcasts are famouslyan audio medium, as we've
discussed books. Let you includestuff like maps that don't
translate well into audio. Soour book has maps. We're really
excited about it.
Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst (11:06):
We're so excited about the maps.
Megan Goodwin (11:10):
Also, as we have discussed on the pod, my brain
loves a new challenge, andwriting a book together was a
challenge, both new and fun,sounding more about that process
on an episode to come. Plus, Ipersonally had never done long
form writing about scholarlythings and accessible tones. So
like 750 to 2000 words is onething, but I was curious to see
(11:30):
if I slash we could pull off orpull off that tone in a book
length project, much like ourscholarly killjoy Northstar Sara
Ahmed, who does this continuallyand with great success. So it
turns out, yeah, I think we, wedid. We can. Proud of us.
And then my third thing was theutility, to be honest? Having a
(11:51):
book where we can show our workand cite our sources and walk
readers through big concepts wehave to zip through on the pod
to keep every episode from beinglike three hours long.
Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst (12:02):
I know no one likes a long Ford
podcast, except for me, I findlove a long form, but no one
else does. Everyone else islike, you're listening to a
three hour podcast. Like, ofcourse, I am, of course, I want
three hours of this.
Megan Goodwin (12:13):
I just
Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst (12:14):
no one agrees. I'm wrong.
Megan Goodwin (12:15):
Well, you also have media consumption habits
that are unlike the averagebear, so that
Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst (12:21):
you mean just constant 24 hours of
noise all the time.
Megan Goodwin (12:24):
Not everybody has has it all the time, always. So
Tune in next month to hear abouthow we selected the case studies
you have the three hours becauseit's all of the hours anyway. It
was nice not to have to rush andto show our sources and walk you
through in a slower way. But wealso wanted our work to be
useful to as many people aspossible. So like lots of folks
who don't use podcasts to teach,do use books. Book clubs are a
(12:44):
thing in a way, podcast clubs,at least to the best of my
knowledge, or not, maybe theyare, I don't know, like maybe
I'm just not getting invitedtomorrow, but so hopefully our
we book baby will be of use inthose spaces, in a way that our
podcast toddler isn't, at leastnot yet, and that, nerds, is the
story of how we came to write abook based on the pod.
(13:06):
that illustrate the theorieswe're presenting in Religion is
Not Done with You, which, asyou'll no doubt recall, is
forthcoming from Beacon Pressthis November. In the meantime,
you can find us across socialmedia, still on Twitter,
reluctantly, and Insta Tiktok,Facebook, none of that curls
your hair. We have a newsletteryou can join via our website,
which is keepingit101.com. Dropus a rating or review in your
(13:30):
podcatcher of choice. If
Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst (13:32):
you want to invite us to your campus
or your local bookstore, whichis a thing that is happening
with a very, very high raterecently. Please, please, please
reach out to us, or reach out toCaitlin Meyer, who is our
incredible marketing andpublicity Maven over at Beacon.
How you do that is over on ourwebsite, which, if you didn't
just hear it, is keeping it one,oh, one.com, it.com's We'd love
(13:57):
to come visit, but get in touchearly and often. And with that,
peace out nerds
Megan Goodwin (14:03):
and do your homework, it's on the syllabus.
Elv (14:23):
every day, every day, every day, every day, I write the
booki.
This is Keeping it 101
Introduction to religionpodcast, which is part of the
amplify podcast network. We aregrateful to live, teach and
record on the current ancestraland unceded lands of the Abenaki
and Wabanaki peoples, as well asthe lands of one federally
recognized native nation, theEastern Band of Cherokee
Indians, and seven NorthCarolina state recognized tribal
(00:39):
entities. Increasingly, though,native folks are pushing us to
forgo land acknowledgementsaltogether and focus on action
items. So let's obviously startwith land back. And as always,
you can find material ways tosupport indigenous communities
on our website.
Megan Goodwin (00:52):
What is up, nerds? Hi, hello. I'm Megan
Goodwin, a scholar of Americanreligions, race, gender and
politics.
Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst (00:59):
Hi, hello. I'm Ilyse Morgenstein
Fuerst, a historian of religion,Islam, race and racialization
and South Asia.
Megan Goodwin (01:06):
Hi, hello.
Indeed. It is so nice to be backin action. And today, you know,
after the requisite banter,obviously we need to do a
banter. We've got an episodethat's sort of getting at a
question we get constantly frommany of our dear nerds and our
families, chosen or otherwise,our students, and frankly, like
a lot of editorial boards,
Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst (01:26):
ooh, I have a feeling I know where this
is going.
Megan Goodwin (01:30):
You should you do our outlines? You wrote these
words, the words that I amsaying right now.
Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst (01:37):
If that were true, I might write
some wild things like, um,
Megan Goodwin (01:41):
Purple Monkey, dishwasher, fart, hell damn ass.
Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst (01:42):
I win.
I win this round.
Megan Goodwin (01:43):
You do a winner?
Is you anyway?
It was the blurst of times?!
Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst (01:54):
You were saying, Where is this
going? Where are we taking ournerds?
Megan Goodwin (01:57):
As you might have heard, dear listeners, we have a
new book coming out with BeaconPress on November 5, 2024. It is
called Religion is Not Done withYou.
Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst (02:06):
And nothing else is happening on
that day, like voting in theUnited States for either a felon
or a black woman cop. Like nobig deal. Nothing else is going
on on november 5. ,
Megan Goodwin (02:19):
Yeah there was a lull! We saw a gap in the
calendar, and thought, You knowwhat? This is our moment. Yep.
Ilyse Morgenstein Fuers (02:25):
Anyway, because of that lull, that
deeply slow news cycle thatwe're anticipating in the
future, because this book iscoming out in this lull, we get
a lot of asks about why we dowhat we do as podcasters, for
sure, and we've talked aboutthat on this podcast a few
times, as well as several otherpodcasts, like on the Amplify
(02:47):
Network Stream and on Engenderand a few other places.
Megan Goodwin (02:51):
yep, but this is a specific question we get about
why we decided to take a podcastand turn it into a book.
Famously, you can listen to usfor free. We are very
affordable, I know, but a book,she costs money, if not for you,
then for your local library. AndBt Dubs, we love it when you get
our book at the local library.
We also love it when you buy it,but, but Hooray for libraries,
(03:11):
which is a weird politicalmoment that that is a political
statement, but like Hooray forlibraries anyway, this episode
is an answer for why we wrotethis book as a book.
Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst (03:25):
Yeah, this episode is one of a couple
more episodes like this to behonest with you. One, we're
gonna focus on how the writinghappens. Another, we're focusing
on how we figured out how towrite together, because, dear
nerds, being best friends andchosen sisters does not mean it
does not mean that we know howto write in one voice. And
finally, we have a very specialmini so that we're dropping on
(03:48):
the fifth of November, a daywhere nothing else is happening,
where we read you ouracknowledgements.
Megan Goodwin (03:54):
which, like I'm feeling really smooshy about
that, to be honest, because welearned that the voice actor
who's recording the audiobook ofreligion is not done with
you--We have an audiobook. It'sso exciting, I cannot--but they
don't include theacknowledgements. That's not how
nonfiction gets done, I guess.
But we loved writing that partof our book, and we love
thinking people, and we love theidea of those thanks being in
(04:16):
our own voices,
Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst (04:18):
and lucky for us, we have our very
own audio platform ready to go,just ready
Megan Goodwin (04:25):
so feels coming at your face on november 5, but
for now,IRMF let's get into it. Why did
we write this book? Why turn apodcast, an audio medium, into a
book, a visual medium?
Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst (04:46):
Well, I had not ever thought of a book
as a visual medium, and thatjust threw me real hard. But,
well, it is, though it's avisual I don't know it's a
visual medium and a technology.
Anyway, yeah, the reason. Ireally enjoy turning our podcast
into a book is three reasonswhich will make our KathyFoody
(05:08):
giggle because I am a woman wholoves a list of three.
Megan Goodwin (05:15):
Three shall be the number of the list.
Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst (05:17):
Three is the number number one, books.
Books books is what we do. Likereal talk Megan, we are scholars
and academics, and so at acertain way we are trained,
regardless of whether or not ourspecific location in the academy
has shifted or exists or feelscorrect. We were trained to
(05:39):
write books. We were trained todo research and then put that
research out into the world,specifically in the form of
books, peer reviewed books. Sowe write books, we think in
books. Books are what we do.
That's number one.
Megan Goodwin (05:51):
Can we I feel like there needs to be merch,
like books are what we do, whichwould be fun again for a
podcast. What do we do? Books!
Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst (06:02):
all right, nerds, maybe we should
put out like, um, we are doingsome merch around the book. So
maybe we should put out like aquestionnaire, what merch would
you like, famously, for a audiomedium. Okay, the second thing
-- books is what we do, beefit's what's for dinner. The
second thing is, I think it's aquestion of audience, right?
(06:25):
Like we have figured out who ourpodcast audience is and has
been, and where we think wemight grow in the future, or who
we think our stalwarts are, butpodcasts have their audiences,
and books have their audiences,and, yeah, there's like, several
Venn diagrams in there, but Ithink it's easier to get this
book in the hands of like myaunts than it is to get the
(06:48):
podcast in their ears in aconsistent way.
Megan Goodwin (06:51):
Yeah
Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst (06:52):
and that's also something that we've
learned from my students. Mystudents love passing on podcast
episodes, but they're morelikely to share a book than they
are to be like, Yo, Ma, listento this podcast. You have to
listen to seven of them to getthe hang of it. And it's like,
well, that's that's a lot of outfrom your parents, dear,
(07:14):
beautiful students.
Megan Goodwin (07:15):
So podcasts are hard to skim. Yeah,
Ilyse Morgenstein Fuers (07:17):
they're hard to skim. And like, I really
do feel as an elder millennialand you representing Gen X, I
don't know that. I don't knowthat we enjoy the like, two
times speed of it all. Likewe're already fast. We sound
like Crazy Chipmunks, like, it'sjust not, it's not great, but a
book you can consume slowly or,like, in five minute intervals,
(07:39):
which feels less choppy than apodcast. So thing number one,
why we turn this pod into abook? Books is what we do.
Number two is this question ofaudience. I think we want more
people to be learning aboutreligion than we currently
reach. And the third is actuallyto do with that, that speed
thing,
Megan Goodwin (07:56):
the chipmunk issue,
Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst (07:59):
we talk, we talk really fast. And
even though we provide ourlisteners with transcripts and
have since day dot of, ourpodcast, our speaking voice in
the book is fast, right? Like wewrite fast, we think fast. Our
sentences kind of feel likewe're speaking in that fast
voice, but a reader has controlover how fast they read. And so
(08:21):
I do think that some of thethings we've said on the podcast
feel different, hit, differentsound different in the voice in
your head than listening to uskind of rapid fire with, you
know, some choice F bombs andgiggles. So I think, I think all
of those things means that thisidea we have for keeping it 101,
(08:44):
which is related to, but not thesame as what's going on in
Religion Is Not Done With You--Ithink it just gives us more
coverage of the arguments we'retrying to make.
Megan Goodwin (08:53):
And at the same time, I do think we retain a
little bit of our voice, ourspeaking voice in the podcast,
slash, remember when the copyeditor was like, What is this
crazy list of descriptors? Whyare there no commas? I'm like,
no, no, it's supposed to soundthat way. No, I did that on
purpose.
Ilyse Morgenstein (09:08):
Overwhelmed.
You want them to hear our voicerushing them through as if they
are cascading off a mountain,like you should be unsafe.
Megan Goodwin (09:17):
exactly be unsettled by this sentence and
also by this concept, and alsoby religion, which is not done
with you.
Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst (09:23):
Yeah, those commas are safety belts.
And like, listen, we live on theedge here in religion is not
done with you.
Megan Goodwin (09:29):
We were Traction Park, children, there are no
safety belts,
Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst (09:33):
not traction Park!
Megan Goodwin (09:35):
you heard me
Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst (09:35):
a plus New Jersey reference. Okay,
Goodwin. Why? So that's why Ithink we're turning this into a
podcast. Why or the podcast intoa book? Why did you do what we
did?
Megan Goodwin (09:46):
Oh, I mean, the folks at Beacon were kind enough
to ask us to write one so, like,I'm not gonna lie, most of the
things I published throughout mycareer were because somebody
nice asked me to write them. Ihave no competitive spirit
whatsoever. I am not formally inthe academy anymore, so I have
nothing to prove. And also Ijust, I don't, generally don't
(10:11):
just do stuff, but if somebodyasks me to do a thing like, oh,
oh, that sounds like fun. Sure,hey, why not? In this particular
instance, the nice person whowould eventually become our
editor at Beacon Press, AmyCaldwell, asked us if we would
like to write a book based onthis earpod. And we said, Yes,
please, and also thank you. Alsolike not to get gushy, but the
press is one of the big drawsfor me. I was ambivalent about
(10:34):
writing a podcast book ingeneral, but writing one for the
same press that published JamesBaldwin, Mary Daly, Kate
Bornstein, way too many otheramazing authors to list right
now, I enthusiastically consentto that. Yes, yes, yes. I said
yes. I will Yes. Other benefitsto writing down our thoughts
about religion instead of justspeaking them into the ether,
(10:55):
include, podcasts are famouslyan audio medium, as we've
discussed books. Let you includestuff like maps that don't
translate well into audio. Soour book has maps. We're really
excited about it.
Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst (11:06):
We're so excited about the maps.
Megan Goodwin (11:10):
Also, as we have discussed on the pod, my brain
loves a new challenge, andwriting a book together was a
challenge, both new and fun,sounding more about that process
on an episode to come. Plus, Ipersonally had never done long
form writing about scholarlythings and accessible tones. So
like 750 to 2000 words is onething, but I was curious to see
(11:30):
if I slash we could pull off orpull off that tone in a book
length project, much like ourscholarly killjoy Northstar Sara
Ahmed, who does this continuallyand with great success. So it
turns out, yeah, I think we, wedid. We can. Proud of us.
And then my third thing was theutility, to be honest? Having a
(11:51):
book where we can show our workand cite our sources and walk
readers through big concepts wehave to zip through on the pod
to keep every episode from beinglike three hours long.
Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst (12:02):
I know no one likes a long Ford
podcast, except for me, I findlove a long form, but no one
else does. Everyone else islike, you're listening to a
three hour podcast. Like, ofcourse, I am, of course, I want
three hours of this.
Megan Goodwin (12:13):
I just
Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst (12:14):
no one agrees. I'm wrong.
Megan Goodwin (12:15):
Well, you also have media consumption habits
that are unlike the averagebear, so that
Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst (12:21):
you mean just constant 24 hours of
noise all the time.
Megan Goodwin (12:24):
Not everybody has has it all the time, always. So
Tune in next month to hear abouthow we selected the case studies
you have the three hours becauseit's all of the hours anyway. It
was nice not to have to rush andto show our sources and walk you
through in a slower way. But wealso wanted our work to be
useful to as many people aspossible. So like lots of folks
who don't use podcasts to teach,do use books. Book clubs are a
(12:44):
thing in a way, podcast clubs,at least to the best of my
knowledge, or not, maybe theyare, I don't know, like maybe
I'm just not getting invitedtomorrow, but so hopefully our
we book baby will be of use inthose spaces, in a way that our
podcast toddler isn't, at leastnot yet, and that, nerds, is the
story of how we came to write abook based on the pod.
(13:06):
that illustrate the theorieswe're presenting in Religion is
Not Done with You, which, asyou'll no doubt recall, is
forthcoming from Beacon Pressthis November. In the meantime,
you can find us across socialmedia, still on Twitter,
reluctantly, and Insta Tiktok,Facebook, none of that curls
your hair. We have a newsletteryou can join via our website,
which is keepingit101.com. Dropus a rating or review in your
(13:30):
podcatcher of choice. If
Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst (13:32):
you want to invite us to your campus
or your local bookstore, whichis a thing that is happening
with a very, very high raterecently. Please, please, please
reach out to us, or reach out toCaitlin Meyer, who is our
incredible marketing andpublicity Maven over at Beacon.
How you do that is over on ourwebsite, which, if you didn't
just hear it, is keeping it one,oh, one.com, it.com's We'd love
(13:57):
to come visit, but get in touchearly and often. And with that,
peace out nerds
Megan Goodwin (14:03):
and do your homework, it's on the syllabus.
Elv (14:23):
every day, every day, every day, every day, I write the
booki.
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