June 27, 2024 • 52 mins
In this episode of the Ketones and Coffee Podcast, host Lorenz welcomes Mary Ruddick, a leading expert in ancestral nutrition and experimental anthropology. Often called the Sherlock Holmes of health, Mary shares her remarkable journey from being bedridden with a severe case of dysautonomia to achieving remission. She delves into the complex nature of dysautonomia, its symptoms, and how it can be misdiagnosed for years.
Mary discusses the importance of diet and lifestyle changes in managing this condition and offers hope and guidance to those facing similar health struggles. Her story emphasizes the power of mindset, perseverance, and the vital role of a supportive approach to nutrition and holistic health.
00:00 Welcome to the Ketones and Coffee Podcast
00:13 Introducing Mary Ruddick: The Sherlock Holmes of Health
01:12 Mary Ruddick's Personal Health Journey
02:40 Understanding Dysautonomia
04:12 The Struggles of Chronic Illness
07:38 The Path to Remission
11:04 The Role of Diet in Healing
11:39 Challenges in Diagnosing Dysautonomia
20:03 The Importance of Persistence and Mindset
25:11 Identifying Symptoms of Dysautonomia
27:08 Understanding Dysautonomia and POTS
28:11 Diagnosing and Managing Dysautonomia
29:31 Personal Journey and Treatment Approaches
31:35 The Importance of Commitment and Sacrifice
38:11 Rebuilding the Immune and Nervous Systems
41:45 Practical Tips for Healing and Recovery
47:25 Final Thoughts and Encouragement
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lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (00:00):
Hey guys, this is Lawrence and
(00:01):
welcome back to the ketones andcoffee podcast.
I'm Lawrence and I'm so gratefulto have you joining me on this
journey every week.
I bring in guests to have theknowledge and experience to help
you on your own journey to abetter health.
So excited for this guys stickaround today.
We have an honor of hosting MaryRuddick, a renowned.
ancestral nutrition expert andexperimental anthropology, often
(00:23):
referred to as the SherlockHolmes of health.
Mary specializes inneuromuscular disorders,
infertility, and disablingchronic disease.
She has dedicated her career touncovering the root causes of
chronic illnesses and providingeffective natural solutions.
And her deep understanding ofthe body's systems and her
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innovative approach to nutritionhas made her a highly sought
after expert.
in the field.
Her expertise extends to areassuch as the ketogenic diet, low
carb diets, gut health, andchronic inflammation.
It's an honor.
Mary Ruddick, welcome to theKetone Tea Coffee Podcast.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024 (01:02):
Thank you so much.
Thanks for having me and thanksfor the very kind introduction.
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (01:06):
Man, this is an awesome day for me
today.
Um, such a lot to discuss here.
As much as I love your aweinspiring contribution, which is
You know, you know, you do ittirelessly, continuously do, you
know, helping people by gettingon podcasts like this, speaking
and all the other stuff that youdo, your story is an even more
(01:29):
inspiring piece, uh, which Ibelieve, you know, propelled you
into becoming this leadingauthority in the field of
nutrition.
After this condition, um, I wantto talk about this.
I just want to talk about today,um, almost.
Your story, you talk about howit almost left you for dead.
(01:52):
Um, this is a helpful story.
I hope you guys stick around.
This autonomia, I hope I saidthat right.
Um, that's right.
Uh, you were, you were teachingme before we went live.
So I was just, uh, man, I hope Iget this.
I was looking it up and peoplewho suffers with this are often
(02:12):
misdiagnosed.
And when you do get diagnosed,usually it takes many, many
years and there aren't.
A clear path forward when you doget diagnosed.
So I want to know your storyfrom you, which clearly to this
day, um, you know, you're nowwell and thriving.
What has led you to your pathtoday?
(02:34):
Tell us your story.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20- (02:36):
Accidents did.
So, as life, as life happens.
So, dysautonomia, what that is,it's a deregulation of the
autonomic nervous system.
It's, uh, common in medicalhistory, even as far back as
2000 A.
D.
We find it in writings.
For very rare cases of postinfection illnesses, which we
now know often involve cytokinesbecause they go to the nervous
(02:58):
system of healthy people.
So my story, I was healthy.
I was living in the Bahamas.
I was studying at a fieldstation.
I was in marine biology at thetime and 15 out of the 30 of us
on this remote island.
And don't think, uh, don't thinkAtlantis folks, uh, this, this
island was gorgeous, but it wasnot, it did not have any of the,
um, that we.
(03:19):
associate with the Bahamas,right?
This is rustic.
And we did not have a telephone,let alone anything else.
So, uh, so 15 out of the 30 ofus got sick.
I was one of the last ones toget sick.
I, as I was healthy, I justassumed it was a flu the fever
went so high that it, and for solong, for six days at 106, it
damaged my brain.
(03:40):
And my nervous system, theydidn't know what to do.
They couldn't bring it down withice.
So they flew myself and a coupleother people into Florida.
And what pursued after that was,uh, uh, almost like entering a
different dimension, to behonest, it was like all the
rules of life were over and Ihad to figure out the new rules.
I think Joseph Campbell's power,the myth defines it no better.
(04:03):
I, nobody does it better thanJoseph Campbell, in my opinion,
you, when you get sick, it'ssurprising.
You think you know what illnessis until it actually happens to
you.
And then you don't understandwhy you can't get better and why
things get worse and why thingsare different day to day.
And, uh, you start to reallyfeel, and I know this from
experience from working with somany people, that this is a very
(04:23):
common thing to
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (04:25):
Hmm.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_ (04:26):
like it's your fault, right?
That you can't get better.
And so.
When there are these conditionsthat are so confusing,
especially nervous systemdisorders, they present all over
the body.
Uh, and so therefore doctorsdon't really know what to do
with you until they figure itout, which is rare, really.
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (04:42):
Hmm.
Hmm.
Hmm.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_1 (04:47):
And it's assumed, oh, you know, uh,
that person is just complainingor that person has fibromyalgia.
Or something, right?
And so, or they just need tosleep and eat better.
And gosh, why aren't they justtaking care of themselves?
Kind of thing.
So a lot of people get put inthat, especially with the mild
to moderate.
Luckily or unluckily, I had avery severe case.
Um, so while there was some ofthat, it was less, um, but, uh,
(05:12):
But yeah, it was, it was really,was, I can't say it better than
to say it was being in adifferent dimension.
Uh, you just don't feel yourbody in the same way or the
universe, uh, or how to functionin life.
You can't count on your brain,uh, and all sorts of things.
And so condition can presentdifferently for, uh, based on
how severe it is.
(05:33):
Uh, people are either bed boundwheelchairs or up and
functioning, but they are in aliving hell.
If they're up and functioning,they're probably not sharing
what they're actually goingthrough.
People usually don't withchronic illness, those around
them.
You learn very quickly to onlylet other people know that the
tip of the iceberg, becausethere's, people feel very
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uncomfortable.
They don't know what to do withit.
so it's usually a very solitaryjourney.
And that's, that's very typicalfor lots of illnesses, right?
If we think back, I don't knowabout you, I always like to take
an eagle eye view of everything.
It is what saved my life.
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (06:07):
Mhm.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_ (06:08):
such a fan of it.
If we think back to just recentmedical history with things like
MS, until they had a bloodmarker or a marker for it,
people were called the worriedwell, they were told it was in
their head, right?
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (06:21):
Mhm.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-20 (06:22):
There's a lot of that in the medical
profession, and I, I think itwould be to assume that's not
happening now, and it very muchis.
So, so a lot of that can happenuntil the organs get, go
downhill, right?
And with this condition, becauseblood doesn't go to the organs
at the appropriate time, youstart to get kidney disease,
(06:43):
liver, lung, thyroid,
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (06:44):
Mhm.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024 (06:45):
nerve damage, like diabetics, all the
things.
So if you didn't start out bedbound, hopefully your listeners
out there, don't be afraid ifyou're
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_13351 (06:52):
Yeah.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_ (06:52):
That you're going to be, but that is
what happened to me.
And, uh, so it was a bit of aninvitation, like the hero's
myth.
It was a bit of an invitation toa world.
You don't want an invitation to,but you're there.
And so what are you going to dowith it?
And
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_1335 (07:06):
Right.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-202 (07:07):
really usually get faced.
At a certain point with, well,uh, dying would be nice and that
would be a lot easier.
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_1335 (07:15):
right.
Mhm.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_1 (07:16):
but you don't really have that
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (07:17):
I get it.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_1 (07:18):
the other option is to get out and
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (07:21):
Mhm.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-202 (07:21):
routes of going to any specialist
around the world, it.
Didn't work and it doesn't tendto work because there's not a
solution for this one and, orfor many, honestly.
And
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (07:31):
Mhm.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_1 (07:32):
you start to get handy and, uh,
that's what we did.
I started to do a lot ofexperiments, a lot of different
diets.
So I've read every book I couldget my hand on when my brain
worked again and I could.
And, uh, eventually after 12years, uh, went into remission
before
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (07:49):
Mhm.
Wow.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024 (07:51):
Yeah.
I opened my private practice andthen I've been working with
people since.
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (07:56):
Wow.
Amazing.
Um.
It is, you know, you talkedabout this starting when you
were a teenager and this went onuntil you were in your thirties.
Correct.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_1 (08:09):
30.
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (08:10):
Do I get it?
That is more than a decade.
Um, and you talked about how itcan affect other functions of
the body and you almost have toact quickly.
But the thing that I love aboutit is that you did not let You
know, your prognosis or adiagnosis really set you back,
(08:31):
but you did the opposite whereyou act upon it, right?
You did your own research andclearly if you, you know, keep
searching, you'll find it,right?
Um, you talked about howdevastating it was.
Um, obviously, It is, uh, it iscommon, right?
(08:55):
You know, I was looking this upand, um, This autonomia is more
common than people think.
Um, and, You talk about thetrigger.
What was the trigger exactly?
Did you ever find out?
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_13 (09:11):
an infection, a tropical infection,
and it was actually in my blood
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (09:15):
Mm,
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024 (09:15):
years while I was going in and out of
the hospital, but they didn'tknow what they were looking at.
And I cannot tell you how oftenthat happens.
I just had a case right beforethis podcast of this poor girl
who, uh, because she had a, uh,something you can diagnose, Uh,
no one's looked at her historyand her condition started right
after a trip to the tropics and
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (09:38):
mm,
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-20 (09:38):
markers and all of her situation is very
indicative of an infection.
She was perfectly healthybefore.
So, a
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (09:45):
mm,
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_1 (09:45):
get missed and looked over.
Uh, there's not the
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_13351 (09:48):
yeah.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_13 (09:49):
in our, our field to sit down, you
know, when I have an intake withsomeone, it's hours.
uh, and when you go into adoctor's office, it's 15
minutes.
So it's pretty difficult foranyone to actually do any real
investigation or even get toknow the person to start to
understand the mode ofcommunication and what they are
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communicating, what they aren't,what might have been missed,
that kind of thing.
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (10:15):
You know, when I look at people who
are, I was just browsing throughYouTube when I was researching
about dysautonomia and a lot ofpeople on the comments, most of
them were diagnosed, but theywere saying it took a couple
years, five years, and oneperson actually um, talked about
(10:37):
dysautonomia.
You know, it took them 25 yearsto even get diagnosed and not
one person talked about beinghealed.
Now, I was looking this up.
It was clear that on areputable, supposedly reputable
organization in the U.
(10:59):
S., it says, There's no cure.
Um, now you, you tried a lot ofdiets, even went, uh, vegan at
one point, but, uh, this diet,this diet that we're talking
about, Save Your Life, whichessentially opened your world to
(11:19):
nutrition, about nutrition.
What was happening in the bodythat made your, you switch?
What made you switch to thediet?
And what, what led you toSwitching your diet.
Mm.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024 (11:33):
Yeah.
Okay.
Well, there's a lot to unpackthere.
So let's start in the back andthen we'll come to that.
The, uh, dysautonomia used to bevery rare.
When I had it, it was
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (11:41):
Mm
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_1 (11:42):
And so getting a diagnosis in under
eight years was very rare.
It's in the small nerves andthat gets missed even by a
neurologist.
It looks like a cardiac issue,and so people get sent to a
cardiologist, rheumatologist,it's really found in
neuromuscular.
That's the specialty
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (12:00):
hmm.
Mm
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-20 (12:01):
usually takes a lot of years to get
there.
Now, people get diagnosed inabout two years, but we have
more cases than ever beforesince this worldwide infection.
So, uh, so that has been a hugeimpact on it.
Now, in terms of cure, andhealing.
Legally, those words are veryregulated in our country and in
many countries.
So you can't say it.
Uh, I can't say it even thoughI'm there, right?
(12:23):
I can say I'm in remissionlegally.
It's
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (12:26):
hmm.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_133 (12:27):
I think anyone
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_13351 (12:27):
Yeah.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-202 (12:28):
gotten past anything should be able to
say whatever they want abouttheir condition, but the,
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_13351 (12:32):
Yeah.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_1 (12:33):
but I am not the king and queen
here.
So the, um, Uh, the reason whywhen you look it up, it says
there is no cure, you know,technically, and I don't know if
this is true, but this is whatthey told me when I went into
remission.
I was the first case to ever gointo remission.
Now, that was
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (12:49):
Wow.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024 (12:50):
years ago.
So,
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_1335 (12:52):
saying something.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024 (12:53):
Yeah.
And I know that two others wentinto remission that same year
doing very different things thanI did, uh, almost right after
about six months after.
So, and things that I had triedthat did not work.
Uh, and there's a reason forthat, but that's a long story
for another day.
But the, um, why if you Googlesomething and it says there's no
cure, that's because by, by ourterms, right, our, our words are
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legal and our terms dictate thata cure can come from a
prescription or a surgery.
Right.
So if, if you get better fromsomething else, that's not a
cure.
Uh, it's not something that youcan I guess.
I don't know.
We'd have to talk to the legalson that, but, uh, but yeah,
that's all to say.
And then you wanted to knowabout the diet and what got me
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onto that.
I took a long time to get to thediet because I ate healthier
than the people I knew.
I was an athlete growing up, andso as I got more sick, I ate
healthier.
I didn't eat worse.
And when that didn't work, Itried going vegetarian, then I
went vegan.
And then, uh, you know, I didlots of different things.
And then when I was bed bound,was vegetarian, of course, and,
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uh,
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (14:02):
hmm.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_1 (14:03):
and I started reading all these
books on people that hadreversed their conditions, a lot
of cancer books because therewere no books on my condition
then, and I had a lot of diseasein my organs, my kidney disease
and liver disease, thyroid too,all very, very serious.
And so I was looking at anythingI could get my hands on.
I was very encouraged by anyonewho had healed anything.
(14:23):
I think it's so interesting whenwe look at comments.
in, uh, under videos or underpeople's stories of, uh, what
they've healed or not healed orall these things, how people get
very encouraged by it and otherpeople get downtrodden.
And I imagine we can probablyget either response in the same
person at different
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (14:41):
Mm hmm.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_1 (14:43):
Uh, but for me, it was very
inspiring because I felt like,well, If anyone can heal from
anything that they say isimpossible, then this is
possible too, right?
Just by the
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (14:54):
Mm
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_1 (14:55):
uh, right?
uh, theory by definition, ifthere's anything that is
outlying, if there's anythingthat shows that that theory
isn't right, it's not a theory,right?
So if someone has gotten better,that means that you can get
better.
It doesn't mean that you can'tget better.
Uh, so I went with that.
I went with the old fashionedscience.
definition of that.
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And that was very inspiring tome.
So I started reading lot.
Uh, I read so much and Iencourage people to do so if it
feels good, not if it feelsstressful and if it feels good.
I
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (15:29):
hmm.
Mm.
Mm.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_13 (15:33):
My family are big readers and, uh,
we had these medicalanthropology books.
the 18 and 1900s where doctorswere trying to figure out why
people were getting sicksuddenly and having more health
issues.
And when I read them as a child,I read them for adventure.
You know, I always wanted to seethe world.
never read them from a healthstandpoint, but now I was and I
(15:56):
was seeing these tribes and someof them ate nothing but meat or
blood, milk and meat.
And they were in perfect health,health longevity.
And I putting that against whatI was going through, bedbound
and dying, uh, that broke myworld and immediately started
trying other
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (16:16):
Mm.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_ (16:17):
also putting a rule on things that
has been very helpful for myselfand also for my practice.
And that is that it doesn't haveany ancestral basis, I don't do
it.
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (16:29):
Mm.
I mean, it is clear that, uh,there is a lack of knowledge
about, uh, I don't know, maybethe mechanism of the condition?
Um.
As we know, it, you know, youtalked about how it affects the
autonomic nervous system.
But I want to know, like, how,how does you talked about an
(16:52):
infection, right?
When you talk about the wideworldwide infection, we talk
about COVID, I believe, um, and,and that also caused, you know,
the, this autonomia triggered.
Right.
So what, what is it that, uh,causing this autonomia?
(17:13):
Yeah.
What, what is it?
What's causing it?
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_ (17:16):
yes, so dysautonomia you can get in
many different ways, but postinfection dysautonomia is
typically caused by cytokines.
Usually,
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (17:24):
Um, um, um, um.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_1 (17:27):
the healthier you are, the more
cytokines are going to react.
So there are certain infectionsthat are known to do this.
Uh, Ebola, I live in Africa, uh,a lot of the year.
Ebola is one.
Right?
Very different microbe.
It's not about the type ofmicrobe, it's actually how it
acts on the, on the immunesystem.
infections that tend to gotowards, um.
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hurting, causing the ownperson's immune system to hurt
them.
Those.
are the ones that can cause thenervous system damage.
So cytokines traditionally areregulated by vitamin B1
thiamine, which is foundprimarily in pork and fish.
It's not an easy to get vitamin,honestly, in our, our modern
day, a lot of our foods bind toit and deplete it.
(18:10):
So if you're otherwise healthy,Like very healthy, like I was,
but you have B1 deficiencybecause you've been told not to
eat these foods or you're justnot, you don't like them.
Uh, or you eat a lot of foodsthat bind to thiamine in the
body.
And so you're depleted.
Uh, then you get one of theseinfections, the cytokines go
through the roof, they damagethe nervous system, Now other
(18:32):
things can do it too.
So my fever alone could havedone it.
106 fever damages thehypothalamus.
And the nervous system.
We know that.
Uh, so that alone, anything thatdamages the hypothalamus, the
pituitary can do that.
and there's also other forms ofdysautonomia.
You can get it from histamine,very severe, like an MCAD.
(18:52):
Uh, that's a very different kindof dysautonomia.
It presents the same, but the,uh, thing that's causing it is
very different.
So there's actually manydifferent causes.
There's 15 different branches.
Underneath this umbrella and,uh, and they're quite different
in the body, but they presentvery similarly.
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (19:11):
But it can lead to one, I want to
say, I can say a cure, right?
It can lead to a diet change andlifestyle change that can lead
to a, you know, remission or acure.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024 (19:27):
There are tens of thousands of us in
remission.
Uh, but I would say, you know,the problem is, is that there's
a lot of people out there thatare really struggling who have
been incredibly gaslit by theirfriends, family, community,
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (19:39):
Mmm.
Yeah, yeah, mm hmm,
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_13 (19:42):
so hard to get better.
And so when they hear thatthey're going to get really
angry.
Like you're saying I'm not goodenough to get better.
Right.
And don't mean that.
I don't mean that either, butthat is what people hear because
they feel so misunderstood andthey feel like I'm going above
and beyond to get myself better.
Why isn't this working for me?
Um, that kind of thing.
(20:03):
But, The reality is, is thatwhen you're on this journey, it
is brutal and it is isolatingand no one is going to
understand.
And, uh, really the only way outis through.
And so if you can follow thefootsteps of everyone who has
gone through it really evaluateif you are doing everything.
(20:23):
And I don't mean that in ajudgmental way.
I mean that in a private way.
I mean, in a very private way,like I find whatever condition
I'm working with, because I workwith all conditions, whatever
condition I'm working with,often the consistency and the
approach to the method thatactually matters a lot more than
the method.
So if someone is doing somethinglike a boomerang, And they're
(20:47):
like, I'm going to do it ahundred percent.
And they go for 30 days.
And then they're like, Oh, itdoesn't feel right, you know,
and they quit, nothing feelsright.
When you're healing cast,doesn't feel right.
If surgery doesn't feel right,nothing feels right when you're
healing, nothing feels rightwhen you're sick either.
So you might as well not feelright and possibly get
somewhere.
But that takes year,
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (21:07):
mm hmm,
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-202 (21:08):
That's not 30 days.
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_13351 (21:10):
yeah.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_13 (21:11):
is typically where I see the
missing link and, um, and in theups and downs, right?
Because you are very sick onsome days and then moderately
sick on others.
And so missing those bad daysand, uh, not having that
consistency to retrain thenervous system is going to be a
problem.
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_13351 (21:30):
Yeah, you know, as someone who has
struggled with major depressionfor years, Um, I was, you know,
in and out of clinics, Um,nobody was, you know,
understanding what's going on,Um, not my family, not my
friends, Um, I couldn't eventalk to them, Um, and, um,
Almost certain that, uh, if Idid talk to them, you know, they
(21:55):
would, they might look at medifferent.
Um, just because of, you know,Of the misunderstanding of what
it is.
Right.
You know, some people may beeven, uh, quick to judge, um, of
that condition because of, youknow, there's not really a lot
(22:18):
of information out there aboutit.
Um, and it's scary.
It's, it's a scary place to befor somebody.
Um, and I, I believe that you'reright.
You know, just being, justwanting to get better.
I mean.
listening to podcasts like this.
No, for you, you did your ownresearch, reading books, um,
which led you to a, um, todysautonomia in remission.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024 (22:44):
Yeah.
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (22:45):
You know, if you keep that search
going and that means doingwhatever it takes to get better.
Having that mindset, you'll getthere in the first place.
Now you, you went vegetarian,you went vegan, um, and you're
not seeing progress.
And you know, you're, and whatyou did was, you know, you've
continued on the search untilyou find a way, right.
(23:07):
And you did.
And I believe that if that was,if that's your mindset in the
first place, whatever it is, youmay hit a roadblock.
But if your mindset is, you're,you're not gonna stop me, I'm
gonna find it, and you surewill.
Um,
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-202 (23:23):
That's
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (23:23):
a lot of people,
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_133 (23:24):
I was going to say the athlete
mindset, the champion mindsetthat is taught to athletes is
actually what's needed becauseit's brutal.
Everyone thinks you're going tofeel better.
You don't, no one knows thatthey're going to get better.
So no one that goes on thisjourney ever has that certainty
and everyone wants certainty.
They want timeline certainty,but that's not how this works.
(23:48):
is mystery.
This
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (23:49):
Mm hmm.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_ (23:50):
dark forest with no light.
And so you, that, that heromindset, that athlete mindset
that's taught to professionalathletes in particular and
Olympic athletes is so necessarybecause they are putting
themselves through hell everyday to get to their goal.
And that is actually what we doas well.
In the healing field, right?
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And it does have to be us.
It does have to be a choicebecause this whole thing is so
victimizing.
It's so wildly victimized as itgoes through this.
And so if we are also feelingvictimized by our choices,
that's, over.
No one can handle that much.
And so it has to feel empoweringwhen we make those hard choices
for ourselves.
Otherwise we just, we crumble.
(24:31):
It's too much for a
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_13351 (24:32):
Yeah,
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_13 (24:33):
to bear.
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_ (24:34):
especially with, um, when we talk about
dysautonomia, because a lot ofpeople struggle, and there's not
a clear path forward.
after being diagnosed, right?
Um, I really hope for people tofind this podcast and really get
hope from it.
Right.
And what's even more challengingis to, when you get diagnosed in
the first place, I heard people,it takes many, many years.
(24:56):
You know, some people not Youknow, not even knowing that they
have it.
There's a lot of confusion justaround this topic.
And maybe it was the wideranging symptoms that makes it
hard to diagnose this condition.
Um, but, uh, what is one, I wantto ask you, um, you, you may
(25:19):
have mentioned it earlier, but,uh, what is one telltale sign?
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024 (25:26):
Yeah.
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (25:26):
one can point to that is a positive
indication that a patient hasthis auto autonomia.
Is there, is there one thing?
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_1 (25:35):
Uh, there's multiples that you
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133 (25:37):
Mm-Hmm.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_1 (25:38):
Um, but as the patient, you will
feel like you are a fishbowl ina car.
you can actually feel your bloodgoing around or that you're on a
boat at all times when you'renot, uh, the walls move and
things.
The, um, you lose your vision.
A lot of the ocular nerve isvery affected.
So, um, you have these absenceseizures, which a lot of people
(25:59):
don't even know they're having.
And, uh, you know, That has toget properly diagnosed, but it's
a part of it.
Um, and those are many, thoseare no big deal, but the big
ones are, and the, and those canhappen a lot too.
But what I look for first thingis I'll see if someone has their
feet down and then if their feetare turning purple or pink as we
meet, uh, and if I push on them,if they get a white spot, that's
(26:20):
an indication of blood pooling.
That blood pooling is going tobe the first indication of where
we're going to get the nervedeath and the damage there, but
also the, you know, the Thething that happens when the
nervous system is deregulated isthat it doesn't communicate
about all the essential bodilyfunctions that we never think
about, right?
So that's from your sleep wavesto your digestion to when your
(26:44):
organs are getting blood towhere your blood is going.
a broken communication style.
It's like that game of telephoneat school that we used to play,
you know, in like second grade.
And there's, uh, someone whodoesn't hear.
In the line and someone whodoesn't speak.
So the communication doesn't getdown to the end line.
body is needing blood in yourbrain.
(27:05):
It needs it in your organs, butit's just hanging out in your
feet.
And so suddenly the body willcatch up out of a panic and
either create a seizure.
to throw you on the floor sothat your brain gets bled or
you'll get the tachycardia.
So one form of dysautonomia iscalled POTS and it's kind of a
silly term.
It's postural orthostatictachycardia, meaning you stand
(27:27):
up, you get tachycardia, butthese people get it all the
time.
They're laying down and it's asfast as a marathon runner.
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_1335 (27:34):
Mm-Hmm
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_ (27:35):
just postural, but the lighter cases,
that's where you would see it.
uh, and that's from the bodycatching up and realizing I
don't have blood or it needs togo right.
And so those would be thetelltale signs.
There's others like
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_1335 (27:48):
mm-Hmm
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2 (27:48):
modeled, uh, palms and things like that.
Uh, the person will get extremebrain fog, not like what healthy
people have.
I mean, like you'll forget howto write your name on a check,
like that kind, like genuine,you cannot figure it out.
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133 (28:02):
mm-Hmm.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_1 (28:03):
but it's not actually your brain is
fine.
When you come back to health isan issue with the blood.
Is actually where it is.
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (28:11):
So is that like a process of
elimination, let's say?
Oh, if you, if you'reexperiencing this, this, this,
uh, symptoms, then, um, if itall adds up to this auto
autonomia, is that how youstart, uh, off your patients?
Just making sure that they dohave this auto autonomia?
Mm-Hmm.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_ (28:28):
What when you've seen something a lot
of times you can see it and, uh,you know, I work virtually and
I'm not diagnosing people.
Uh, that's not my role, but Ican tell them where to go.
You really need to accuse ourtest, which is a, a nerve test
for the small fibers and, uh,and to see a neuromuscular
doctor to get it ruled out.
Cause this is not a waste bucketdiagnosis.
(28:48):
It is something you getdiagnosed.
Absolutely.
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (28:52):
me, all I care about if, um, the
patient gets better, right?
If a patient gets better,
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_1 (28:59):
All that matters.
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_13351 (29:00):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't care, I don't care aboutthe diagnosis for me.
I mean, if it leads to youfeeling better, right?
Um, at the end of the day, okay,if you do get diagnosed, um,
sure.
Yeah, that's great.
You have, uh, You know, thatpath forward, now you know what
you have, but, but then what,what next?
Right.
(29:20):
Um, you know, you, you gothrough this process and at the
end they say it has no cure.
Right.
So, um, have you taken anyimmune suppressant or did they,
uh, did they di uh, prescribeyou with any medications at all
back then?
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024 (29:40):
Yeah, I was on well over 100
medications, but not at
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (29:43):
Oh, no.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024 (29:44):
about 17 or 18 at once.
I was on a breathing machine,all sorts of things.
Um, IVIG has been shown to bereally good for this as it is in
many autoimmune and cancerconditions, but it's rare to get
it actually diagnosed,prescribed.
And as far as diagnosis goes,you're right.
I never need that.
Honestly, uh, really, I like totake an eagle eye view.
(30:04):
I can tell what systems anyonecan tell what systems are at
play.
And if you work at supportingthose systems, you can get
better.
So I always leave it up topeople if they want to get a
proper diagnosis or not.
For me, it was a relief becauseyou spend so many years where
you don't know why you're likethis
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_1335 (30:21):
Right.
Mm hmm.
Mm hmm.
Mm hmm.
Mm hmm.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-202 (30:25):
there.
But, um, I would say that'sprobably a lot less needed now.
You know, I was in remissionbefore I ever met someone or
even heard of someone else whohad it.
It was so rare then, and nowit's very common.
So people can find solace withothers online and that kind of
thing.
So, um, and Uh, you know,there's such a long wait to get
into these things and you canjust get started on rebuilding
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your immune system and yournervous system.
There's no reason to wait forthat.
But I think it's a personaldecision.
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (30:55):
Mm hmm.
You talked about that personaldecision.
I mean, you basically took the,took control of the wheel and
you said the hell with this.
Let's find a cure, right?
Or remission.
You've,
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_13 (31:07):
it was that or die.
yeah, I mean, there was
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_13351 (31:10):
yeah,
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_1 (31:10):
The other option is just to, you
know, wither in bed
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_13351 (31:14):
yeah,
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2 (31:14):
further.
And, um, no one wants that.
Yeah,
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (31:19):
And you mentioned you know, you
mentioned just taking ownershipof this.
Uh, if they really want it.
So bad, right?
If you want to heal, what shouldbe expected of them?
Now, I know you mentioned a fewthings, but what should be
expected of somebody that wantsto heal from this?
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_ (31:35):
I'll say it for all conditions.
If you really want to heal fromsomething, you cannot care what
you have to give up and what youhave to do and how
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_13351 (31:43):
Yeah.
Yeah.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-202 (31:45):
That's it.
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_13351 (31:46):
Yeah.
That's, uh, that's, that's it.
I mean, if you really have towant it, right.
I, you know, the most common, Iinterviewed people here on the
show and the most common themefor these people are they're fed
up, right.
They're fed up of theircondition.
And, um, it's just, there's, Nofail mentality.
(32:11):
Hey, I'm going to keep goinguntil I find it.
Right.
Whatever it is, whatever typeof, again, like you said, you
really have to not care aboutwhat you have to give up.
Right.
For me, if it's Yeah, Toxicrelationships, maybe, right.
Um, diet, right.
Um, you know, whatever's causingstress, everything in anything
(32:33):
that's causing Discomfort, pain.
Um, you know, if, if you'resomebody who isn't ready to make
a change, maybe you're not fedup, maybe you're not struggling
enough, maybe the pain's not toogreat yet, right?
I mean, for you to make thistransition and you really have
(32:53):
to want it.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_1 (32:55):
you have to more than want it.
Think
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_13351 (32:57):
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20- (33:03):
something or people setting out for a SEAL
team.
Everybody wants the same goal.
Not everyone gets it.
There's a reason for that.
It is what we are willing tosacrifice, what we're willing to
let go of.
And what we're and it's not justphysical things.
It's like sacrificing the needto be right, right, Sacrificing
the story we've been telling toourselves, sacrificing the need
(33:24):
to be so serious.
I find healing so serious.
It doesn't have to be serious.
We can bring some joy to somesilliness.
So, and it's needed actually.
So, um, so yeah, it's, it's notabout the goal.
It's about the method.
of getting there.
Anyone can develop that, right?
So anyone who's not there yet,it's a skill set that you can
(33:45):
develop.
It's like learning the piano.
You can have if you and Istarted out in second grade and
we both wanted to learn pianoand you were a natural talent
and I was honestly terrible.
If I was playing every day twiceas much as you by the time we're
18, I'm gonna be better, right?
It's about practice.
And dedication and specificallyone priority, the one priority
(34:07):
has to be your end goal ofactually getting there.
If you also muddy that withpriorities of, I like this, I
like that.
I can't do this.
I can't do that.
No, it doesn't work.
I'd love it to work, but itdoesn't work.
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (34:24):
I think the key thing that you
said there is priority, right?
I mean, you can't.
You can't go around that.
You got to have that onepriority in mind, which is if
you're committed to that onepriority, which is health,
there's no other other things.
There's no ifs and buts, right?
I mean, if I want to, at the endof the day, I'm coaching
(34:46):
somebody.
I can't make you eat.
healthy.
I can't make you run a mile.
I can't make you do anythingright.
It's up to you.
When this program is all saidand done, what are you going to
do?
Right?
So some people, you know, fold.
Some people do great.
What is that formula?
I believe that's having thatpriority, right?
(35:09):
Being committed to that goal.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_ (35:11):
It's
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (35:12):
How committed?
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_13 (35:14):
It absolutely commitment and,
humility and being humble.
Honestly, the pride gets in theway a lot
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (35:21):
I get that.
I get that.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024 (35:23):
Yeah,
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (35:23):
I get that.
I
mary-ruddick_1_06-20- (35:27):
shouldn't have to, this should be over,
uh, all the things.
And, uh, yeah.
And also the, um, You know, wevery often want people to
validate our situation, and Ireally wish we had that.
We do need that.
Uh, but we don't have it.
And it's, it's not somethingthat people are going to get.
And so one thing that I'm oftentelling people is, listen, it's
(35:50):
normal to feel victimized byyour situation.
It is victimizing.
But if we go with that, you'regoing to have the outcome that
everyone else has.
We have to be so solely focusedon your end goal you won't even
allow the feelings ofvictimization because those
suppress immunity.
can't afford that, right?
We have to get your immunesystem, your nervous system in
(36:11):
line.
And that means doing Herculeanthings, including releasing
that, like letting it go, notyears of therapy.
No, now we are focused on rightnow.
We are not focused on the past,on the hurt done.
No, we are focusing on rightnow, what will feel good.
can you reframe?
How can you retell your story sothat you are not the victim of
(36:31):
your story?
You are the hero you canactually go out and do what you
need to do.
And your immune system, insteadof replicating a repeat cell,
can replicate a perfect humancell without this disease.
12
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (36:44):
just going by your story, I can't
imagine the struggle like peopleare going through, right?
Um, years and years of theirlife.
Now, You know, I understandyou've struggled for a decade or
more like over a decade andfinally in remission, right?
And I can't imagine how, youknow, relieved you were, right?
(37:06):
You were bedridden, right?
You were disabled and all of asudden now you found something
that's working that You talkedabout how, you know, rare this,
um, I can't, I can't, uh,
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-202 (37:23):
early.
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (37:23):
this autonomia,
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_13 (37:25):
Mm
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (37:25):
um, how rare that is before and now
how common it is now.
It's, it's, uh, I can't imaginehow That may be like, uh, for
somebody.
And I mean, let's get to helppeople here.
What, what do they need to do?
What do they need to give up?
Um, how do they manage this, youknow, early on in diagnosis, or
(37:47):
if they are, you know, committedto this goal, what do they, what
do they have to do?
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024 (37:54):
Yeah.
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (37:54):
me through that.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-20 (37:55):
There's quite a bit.
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (37:57):
Hmm.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_133 (37:57):
a whole thing.
There are people that havehealed from this in multiple
different ways.
I like to bring them alltogether because I'll be honest,
a day living in a body like thisis too much.
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (38:08):
Hmm.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_13 (38:08):
So you want to get there as soon as
you can with realistic goals.
So, uh, So, you know, numberone, you take the eagle eye
view, you've got to rebuild theimmune system in the nervous
system.
Most forms of dysautonomia arean autoimmune condition of the
adrenal receptors to the nervoussystem.
That's why you get so manyissues throughout the nervous
system and have zero energyzero, like negative, negative.
(38:31):
You've not felt it.
If you're healthy, the, um, it'snot being tired.
It's totally different.
Um, so first things first,energy system is not working.
You're on the backup lactic acidenergy system.
So you don't have the option ofusing carbohydrates for energy.
Carbohydrates are going
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (38:48):
Hmm.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_ (38:49):
that lactic acid tenfold.
It's not an option.
We also don't want to do a lotof probiotics.
Because that's going to increaselactic acid.
So we want to shift intoketosis, which everyone is going
to swear they can't do, thatthey've tried.
Believe me, I was there too.
It will often make things muchworse.
You can go about it in many waysto get there.
But the reality is we have toget it vasopressin.
(39:10):
The hormone that regulateshydration into the cell, not in
the serum, right?
Everyone is drinking gallons ofwater and peeing constantly with
this condition.
making yourself more dehydratedwith that recommendation that
everyone is given less water isneeded because we have
vasopressin resistance,basically like insulin
resistance, hydrationresistance.
(39:30):
So to get at that, we have tostart having a very, very, very
regular schedule.
And we want to be on a strategiceagle eye view, uh, ancestral
protocol that is going toregulate hydration.
Now, what does that every timeyou eat carbohydrates, they
require four times as much wateras fat and protein.
(39:52):
So we want to restrict thecarbohydrates and get you into
ketosis.
So you have an energy system youcan actually use.
Because the glucose isn'tworking.
Glutamate receptors are broken.
We can't go high protein.
Uh, but we can use fats and wecan use that strategically.
It's not going to feel like itdoes for athletes.
You're not going to suddenly popinto energy at six weeks.
Well, some people do.
They're lucky I wasn't one, butso don't expect to just suddenly
(40:14):
Feel good.
That's not the goal.
You're being strategic aboutrebuilding the nervous system
and the immune system and aboutgetting your ATP energy back on,
which is much easier.
Uh, you only require 1 30th ofthe amount of diamond when
you're in ketosis.
Then you do.
when you're in a glucose burningsystem.
So there's a lot of reason forthat.
(40:35):
And it's not something that hasto be done lifelong, but it is
the best method I've seen forgetting people intermission.
I also really like to takepeople off starch.
So I do a modified version ofthe gaps intro.
So no lectins and very lowoxalate due to hydration issues
and kidney issues withvasopressin.
uh, and, soft warm food so wecan rebuild the belly and get
(40:57):
the bacteria back where they'resupposed to go.
We'll often do these days, lastfew years I've definitely been
doing a lot of high dosethiamine to rebuild the myelin
sheath.
Sometimes St.
John's wort for the nerves andthe gut lining because that
reverses that.
I know it's known for milddepression but it's actually
really great.
for the nervous system and thegut lining.
Of course, that depends ifsomeone is on SSRIs, that is not
(41:18):
safe.
then we talk to the nervoussystem because things that are
stressful to us emotionally arenot stressful to the nervous
system and vice versa.
For instance, one of thegreatest stresses to the nervous
system, equally as great asbeing in war as a civilian,
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (41:35):
Hmm.
Hmm.
Hmm.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-202 (41:38):
thinks you're hiding.
puts all the blood to theextremities.
What happens in this condition?
Exactly that.
So while it's very normal forany animal, human and others to
hide and retreat when you feelawful, we don't get natural
lights to shift your microbiomeand so that our bacteria, which
communicate through light andquorum sensing actually have
(42:01):
real light to do so, it doesn'twork.
It's very difficult, verydifficult to get better.
So that along with a bunch ofother things, uh, that seem
insignificant, but I promise youare, they, they are not
insignificant, like waking atthe same time, eating at the
same time.
If you're not doing that, yourbody thinks that you're in
chaos.
It thinks you're stressed.
It's not going to heal a cell.
(42:21):
It's not going to give you ahealthy cell.
learning little things that werevery common in ancestral
communities and still are today,the ones that I go to visit
there across the board, we bringthose in.
Uh, and then we bring in a lotof joy, uh, because there's
tricks with laughter and allsorts of things that we can do,
uh, that improve the immunesystem more than any drug that's
(42:42):
been studied.
So part of that solitary goal islike, Okay.
You're in a lot of pain, right?
Your nerves are dying.
You want to chop off your legs.
Most people do with this.
Um, and that's rationalactually, but we can get that
pain down with a ton oflaughter.
And if I tell that to someone,they're going to be like, I'm
going to punch you in the face
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (43:01):
Hmm.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-20 (43:02):
because I am in excruciating pain.
And I'm going to say that isexactly why.
And that is why we have onegoal, not 50, That one goal is
to heal is your goal to heal.
That requires laughter.
Are you willing to laugh?
figure it out.
How can we make you laugh whileyou're in this much pain?
There's a way.
Right.
So it's a lot of solving puzzleslike that and kind of playing
with the self and seeing whatwill work.
(43:24):
Um, one thing I, I am not a fanof is the, uh, uh, I do limbic
coaching and I, well, I don't dolimbic coaching, but I recommend
it.
And I did limbic self.
things for myself, not knowingthat that's what I was doing.
But there's many differentschools of limbic retraining.
A lot of them use reframingthings like that.
Reframing is imperative, but Ido strongly recommend to never
(43:47):
lie to yourself.
I think we want to be honest,but tell a different story.
So I see a lot of these, uh,folks say like, feel great.
I feel wonderful.
When you feel like you're dying,your body knows that you're
lying.
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (43:59):
Hmm.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_13 (44:01):
go from noticing how much pain
you're in to noticing somethingelse that's true to that's
neutral or positive.
So that's what I recommenddoing.
And then you retrain your brainand you come out of it when you
do come out of it.
And it is possible.
Tens of thousands of people havedone it.
It is possible for you to, evenif you feel
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (44:19):
Mm
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_ (44:19):
that is another warning.
If you hear yourself saying thatyou are exactly the person that
does not cultivated that mindsetof the champion, no one who gets
there ever says that at the end,I've tried it
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (44:33):
mm
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_1 (44:34):
Can you imagine David Goggin saying
that?
No,
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_13351 (44:36):
Yeah.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_1 (44:37):
to, you want to think with an
athlete mind.
Yeah, you really do.
Uh, the people that really getto their end goals are never
telling themselves that storybecause it's not true.
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_1335 (44:45):
Mm-Hmm
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024 (44:46):
there yet, it means you need to
reevaluate the ones that youdid.
Make sure they were doneperfectly, not a bite off plan.
You were, they were done withjoy.
And I mean it, uh, flexibilitywhile being disciplined and
consistency for the amount oftime that those protocols
needed.
So if it's nervous system,minimum six months, that's just
when you start to see thingsturn around, right?
(45:07):
With the nervous system,hormonal three months.
So I would always give thosethings nervous system, 12 months
minimum to start seeingprogress, real progress.
Then you can cross that off yourlist and you know, you're, that
will be the that much closer tothe one that's going to work for
you.
Instead of being in this sea ofconfusion of I've tried
everything and hands up in theair.
(45:27):
Oh,
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (45:30):
I mean, you told that like, uh, I
mean there's, if, if somebodyhas this, uh, this ortho
autonoma, listen to that.
That just gives you a lot ofhope.
I mean, you told, like, toldthat like a champion.
Um, that is incredibly detailed.
Um, I hope you guys are.
(45:50):
You know, taking down notes, Iwould, I would, you know, uh,
really listen to this, um, youknow, go back to that point
where, uh, uh, Mary startedtalking about, um, how you are
able to start when you do, whenyou are ready to start that
journey.
It's that you, you covered allaspects of this and, um, it, it
(46:13):
speaks experience.
It speaks, um, you know,confidence in what you do.
Which is, um, I mean, amazing,amazing work you've done.
And it's, it's all for everyoneto see you guys.
Um, you know, if you don't knowMary Ruddick, um, she is, um,
uh, she's a speaker.
She talks about this all thetime on her socials and, uh,
(46:36):
she's, uh, organizations inviteher to speak about this.
Um, because what she has here,um, has helped, Uh, tens of
thousands of people.
So, um, if you guys are, uh, youknow, interested, um, I will
link everything down in thedescription box below.
So you guys can check out andconnect with Mary.
I mean, how do you follow that?
(46:58):
Right.
There's a lot there, um, that wehave to unpack.
Um, I love it.
I love it.
Thank you, Mary, for sharingyour story.
I mean, where can people reachout to you?
Where can people find you?
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_1 (47:10):
you can find me at Mary Ruddick dot
com.
Everything links there.
Um, I do, whenever I dokeynotes, it's usually sponsored
by Captain Soup.
They made a soup that I hadhealed on and they're really
great.
Uh, so if someone's too sick,they can do that.
Uh, but most things link there.
My Instagram Mary Queen ofHearts and mostly I just want to
leave you all with, uh, whateveryou're going through.
(47:34):
If it's a really dark night ofthe soul that's been going on
for a decade or years or far toolong, know that nothing goes on
forever.
Nothing.
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (47:43):
Mm,
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_ (47:44):
it's not your fault.
They are here and that there isa way out.
And if you continuously followthe breadcrumbs, you will find
it.
So believe in yourself.
Don't believe in anything else.
Don't believe in a protocol or amethod or don't put all your
eggs in anything, but yourability to heal, because if
anyone can do it, you can too.
And it's the belief that you canget there, not.
(48:07):
Hope is useless, but the beliefin the faith with action that
can really get you there.
It's been the saddest thing isto see people hopeless online
with this because it ishopeless.
And I, um, I have been on amission so that no one has this.
We have several studies goingand to get it into medical
literature.
Um, I speak at every medicalconference that asked me to
(48:30):
come, whether it's superinconvenient or expensive for me
so that the doctors know.
How to get these folks out or atleast to be their signposts.
Right.
Cause it's really us that doesit.
Um, we don't make ourselvessick, but we are the only ones
that can get us out.
Unfortunately.
Um, I wish there was a surgery.
There's not.
So until there is until thereis, um, maybe one of these days
(48:54):
a mushroom will be found, whoknows.
But, um, but in the meantime,just know that it is possible.
And then if you feel hopeless,don't feel bad about that
either.
There's nothing wrong with agood old pity party day
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_13351 (49:04):
yeah.
Mm-Hmm?
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_1 (49:05):
But get back to it tomorrow.
So, uh, find me at, uh,maryredic.
com or And most of all, keepgoing.
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (49:14):
Mm.
Man, I love that you don't knowhow impactful that is.
Somebody telling you, if I hadthat, somebody to tell me that
there is a way out.
When I was going through thatman, that would've been such a,
um, confidence booster and.
You know, it's just, you know,gives you a lot of hope.
So thank you.
Thank you, Mary, for, forsharing your story.
(49:36):
We're here with us and talkingabout, you know, this, um, you
know, incredible, incrediblestory.
You have an insight about, uh,this autonomia.
Um, amazing.
Thank you, Mary.
I appreciate you.
I appreciate you for coming on.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024 (49:50):
Thank you.
And thank you for having such agreat forum to help so many
people.
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_13 (49:54):
Awesome.
Awesome.
All right.
Bye bye.
Hey guys, this is Lawrence and
(00:01):
welcome back to the ketones andcoffee podcast.
I'm Lawrence and I'm so gratefulto have you joining me on this
journey every week.
I bring in guests to have theknowledge and experience to help
you on your own journey to abetter health.
So excited for this guys stickaround today.
We have an honor of hosting MaryRuddick, a renowned.
ancestral nutrition expert andexperimental anthropology, often
(00:23):
referred to as the SherlockHolmes of health.
Mary specializes inneuromuscular disorders,
infertility, and disablingchronic disease.
She has dedicated her career touncovering the root causes of
chronic illnesses and providingeffective natural solutions.
And her deep understanding ofthe body's systems and her
(00:45):
innovative approach to nutritionhas made her a highly sought
after expert.
in the field.
Her expertise extends to areassuch as the ketogenic diet, low
carb diets, gut health, andchronic inflammation.
It's an honor.
Mary Ruddick, welcome to theKetone Tea Coffee Podcast.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024 (01:02):
Thank you so much.
Thanks for having me and thanksfor the very kind introduction.
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (01:06):
Man, this is an awesome day for me
today.
Um, such a lot to discuss here.
As much as I love your aweinspiring contribution, which is
You know, you know, you do ittirelessly, continuously do, you
know, helping people by gettingon podcasts like this, speaking
and all the other stuff that youdo, your story is an even more
(01:29):
inspiring piece, uh, which Ibelieve, you know, propelled you
into becoming this leadingauthority in the field of
nutrition.
After this condition, um, I wantto talk about this.
I just want to talk about today,um, almost.
Your story, you talk about howit almost left you for dead.
(01:52):
Um, this is a helpful story.
I hope you guys stick around.
This autonomia, I hope I saidthat right.
Um, that's right.
Uh, you were, you were teachingme before we went live.
So I was just, uh, man, I hope Iget this.
I was looking it up and peoplewho suffers with this are often
(02:12):
misdiagnosed.
And when you do get diagnosed,usually it takes many, many
years and there aren't.
A clear path forward when you doget diagnosed.
So I want to know your storyfrom you, which clearly to this
day, um, you know, you're nowwell and thriving.
What has led you to your pathtoday?
(02:34):
Tell us your story.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20- (02:36):
Accidents did.
So, as life, as life happens.
So, dysautonomia, what that is,it's a deregulation of the
autonomic nervous system.
It's, uh, common in medicalhistory, even as far back as
2000 A.
D.
We find it in writings.
For very rare cases of postinfection illnesses, which we
now know often involve cytokinesbecause they go to the nervous
(02:58):
system of healthy people.
So my story, I was healthy.
I was living in the Bahamas.
I was studying at a fieldstation.
I was in marine biology at thetime and 15 out of the 30 of us
on this remote island.
And don't think, uh, don't thinkAtlantis folks, uh, this, this
island was gorgeous, but it wasnot, it did not have any of the,
um, that we.
(03:19):
associate with the Bahamas,right?
This is rustic.
And we did not have a telephone,let alone anything else.
So, uh, so 15 out of the 30 ofus got sick.
I was one of the last ones toget sick.
I, as I was healthy, I justassumed it was a flu the fever
went so high that it, and for solong, for six days at 106, it
damaged my brain.
(03:40):
And my nervous system, theydidn't know what to do.
They couldn't bring it down withice.
So they flew myself and a coupleother people into Florida.
And what pursued after that was,uh, uh, almost like entering a
different dimension, to behonest, it was like all the
rules of life were over and Ihad to figure out the new rules.
I think Joseph Campbell's power,the myth defines it no better.
(04:03):
I, nobody does it better thanJoseph Campbell, in my opinion,
you, when you get sick, it'ssurprising.
You think you know what illnessis until it actually happens to
you.
And then you don't understandwhy you can't get better and why
things get worse and why thingsare different day to day.
And, uh, you start to reallyfeel, and I know this from
experience from working with somany people, that this is a very
(04:23):
common thing to
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (04:25):
Hmm.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_ (04:26):
like it's your fault, right?
That you can't get better.
And so.
When there are these conditionsthat are so confusing,
especially nervous systemdisorders, they present all over
the body.
Uh, and so therefore doctorsdon't really know what to do
with you until they figure itout, which is rare, really.
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (04:42):
Hmm.
Hmm.
Hmm.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_1 (04:47):
And it's assumed, oh, you know, uh,
that person is just complainingor that person has fibromyalgia.
Or something, right?
And so, or they just need tosleep and eat better.
And gosh, why aren't they justtaking care of themselves?
Kind of thing.
So a lot of people get put inthat, especially with the mild
to moderate.
Luckily or unluckily, I had avery severe case.
Um, so while there was some ofthat, it was less, um, but, uh,
(05:12):
But yeah, it was, it was really,was, I can't say it better than
to say it was being in adifferent dimension.
Uh, you just don't feel yourbody in the same way or the
universe, uh, or how to functionin life.
You can't count on your brain,uh, and all sorts of things.
And so condition can presentdifferently for, uh, based on
how severe it is.
(05:33):
Uh, people are either bed boundwheelchairs or up and
functioning, but they are in aliving hell.
If they're up and functioning,they're probably not sharing
what they're actually goingthrough.
People usually don't withchronic illness, those around
them.
You learn very quickly to onlylet other people know that the
tip of the iceberg, becausethere's, people feel very
(05:53):
uncomfortable.
They don't know what to do withit.
so it's usually a very solitaryjourney.
And that's, that's very typicalfor lots of illnesses, right?
If we think back, I don't knowabout you, I always like to take
an eagle eye view of everything.
It is what saved my life.
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (06:07):
Mhm.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_ (06:08):
such a fan of it.
If we think back to just recentmedical history with things like
MS, until they had a bloodmarker or a marker for it,
people were called the worriedwell, they were told it was in
their head, right?
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (06:21):
Mhm.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-20 (06:22):
There's a lot of that in the medical
profession, and I, I think itwould be to assume that's not
happening now, and it very muchis.
So, so a lot of that can happenuntil the organs get, go
downhill, right?
And with this condition, becauseblood doesn't go to the organs
at the appropriate time, youstart to get kidney disease,
(06:43):
liver, lung, thyroid,
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (06:44):
Mhm.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024 (06:45):
nerve damage, like diabetics, all the
things.
So if you didn't start out bedbound, hopefully your listeners
out there, don't be afraid ifyou're
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_13351 (06:52):
Yeah.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_ (06:52):
That you're going to be, but that is
what happened to me.
And, uh, so it was a bit of aninvitation, like the hero's
myth.
It was a bit of an invitation toa world.
You don't want an invitation to,but you're there.
And so what are you going to dowith it?
And
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_1335 (07:06):
Right.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-202 (07:07):
really usually get faced.
At a certain point with, well,uh, dying would be nice and that
would be a lot easier.
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_1335 (07:15):
right.
Mhm.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_1 (07:16):
but you don't really have that
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (07:17):
I get it.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_1 (07:18):
the other option is to get out and
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (07:21):
Mhm.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-202 (07:21):
routes of going to any specialist
around the world, it.
Didn't work and it doesn't tendto work because there's not a
solution for this one and, orfor many, honestly.
And
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (07:31):
Mhm.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_1 (07:32):
you start to get handy and, uh,
that's what we did.
I started to do a lot ofexperiments, a lot of different
diets.
So I've read every book I couldget my hand on when my brain
worked again and I could.
And, uh, eventually after 12years, uh, went into remission
before
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (07:49):
Mhm.
Wow.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024 (07:51):
Yeah.
I opened my private practice andthen I've been working with
people since.
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (07:56):
Wow.
Amazing.
Um.
It is, you know, you talkedabout this starting when you
were a teenager and this went onuntil you were in your thirties.
Correct.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_1 (08:09):
30.
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (08:10):
Do I get it?
That is more than a decade.
Um, and you talked about how itcan affect other functions of
the body and you almost have toact quickly.
But the thing that I love aboutit is that you did not let You
know, your prognosis or adiagnosis really set you back,
(08:31):
but you did the opposite whereyou act upon it, right?
You did your own research andclearly if you, you know, keep
searching, you'll find it,right?
Um, you talked about howdevastating it was.
Um, obviously, It is, uh, it iscommon, right?
(08:55):
You know, I was looking this upand, um, This autonomia is more
common than people think.
Um, and, You talk about thetrigger.
What was the trigger exactly?
Did you ever find out?
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_13 (09:11):
an infection, a tropical infection,
and it was actually in my blood
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (09:15):
Mm,
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024 (09:15):
years while I was going in and out of
the hospital, but they didn'tknow what they were looking at.
And I cannot tell you how oftenthat happens.
I just had a case right beforethis podcast of this poor girl
who, uh, because she had a, uh,something you can diagnose, Uh,
no one's looked at her historyand her condition started right
after a trip to the tropics and
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (09:38):
mm,
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-20 (09:38):
markers and all of her situation is very
indicative of an infection.
She was perfectly healthybefore.
So, a
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (09:45):
mm,
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_1 (09:45):
get missed and looked over.
Uh, there's not the
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_13351 (09:48):
yeah.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_13 (09:49):
in our, our field to sit down, you
know, when I have an intake withsomeone, it's hours.
uh, and when you go into adoctor's office, it's 15
minutes.
So it's pretty difficult foranyone to actually do any real
investigation or even get toknow the person to start to
understand the mode ofcommunication and what they are
(10:09):
communicating, what they aren't,what might have been missed,
that kind of thing.
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (10:15):
You know, when I look at people who
are, I was just browsing throughYouTube when I was researching
about dysautonomia and a lot ofpeople on the comments, most of
them were diagnosed, but theywere saying it took a couple
years, five years, and oneperson actually um, talked about
(10:37):
dysautonomia.
You know, it took them 25 yearsto even get diagnosed and not
one person talked about beinghealed.
Now, I was looking this up.
It was clear that on areputable, supposedly reputable
organization in the U.
(10:59):
S., it says, There's no cure.
Um, now you, you tried a lot ofdiets, even went, uh, vegan at
one point, but, uh, this diet,this diet that we're talking
about, Save Your Life, whichessentially opened your world to
(11:19):
nutrition, about nutrition.
What was happening in the bodythat made your, you switch?
What made you switch to thediet?
And what, what led you toSwitching your diet.
Mm.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024 (11:33):
Yeah.
Okay.
Well, there's a lot to unpackthere.
So let's start in the back andthen we'll come to that.
The, uh, dysautonomia used to bevery rare.
When I had it, it was
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (11:41):
Mm
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_1 (11:42):
And so getting a diagnosis in under
eight years was very rare.
It's in the small nerves andthat gets missed even by a
neurologist.
It looks like a cardiac issue,and so people get sent to a
cardiologist, rheumatologist,it's really found in
neuromuscular.
That's the specialty
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (12:00):
hmm.
Mm
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-20 (12:01):
usually takes a lot of years to get
there.
Now, people get diagnosed inabout two years, but we have
more cases than ever beforesince this worldwide infection.
So, uh, so that has been a hugeimpact on it.
Now, in terms of cure, andhealing.
Legally, those words are veryregulated in our country and in
many countries.
So you can't say it.
Uh, I can't say it even thoughI'm there, right?
(12:23):
I can say I'm in remissionlegally.
It's
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (12:26):
hmm.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_133 (12:27):
I think anyone
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_13351 (12:27):
Yeah.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-202 (12:28):
gotten past anything should be able to
say whatever they want abouttheir condition, but the,
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_13351 (12:32):
Yeah.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_1 (12:33):
but I am not the king and queen
here.
So the, um, Uh, the reason whywhen you look it up, it says
there is no cure, you know,technically, and I don't know if
this is true, but this is whatthey told me when I went into
remission.
I was the first case to ever gointo remission.
Now, that was
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (12:49):
Wow.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024 (12:50):
years ago.
So,
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_1335 (12:52):
saying something.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024 (12:53):
Yeah.
And I know that two others wentinto remission that same year
doing very different things thanI did, uh, almost right after
about six months after.
So, and things that I had triedthat did not work.
Uh, and there's a reason forthat, but that's a long story
for another day.
But the, um, why if you Googlesomething and it says there's no
cure, that's because by, by ourterms, right, our, our words are
(13:16):
legal and our terms dictate thata cure can come from a
prescription or a surgery.
Right.
So if, if you get better fromsomething else, that's not a
cure.
Uh, it's not something that youcan I guess.
I don't know.
We'd have to talk to the legalson that, but, uh, but yeah,
that's all to say.
And then you wanted to knowabout the diet and what got me
(13:37):
onto that.
I took a long time to get to thediet because I ate healthier
than the people I knew.
I was an athlete growing up, andso as I got more sick, I ate
healthier.
I didn't eat worse.
And when that didn't work, Itried going vegetarian, then I
went vegan.
And then, uh, you know, I didlots of different things.
And then when I was bed bound,was vegetarian, of course, and,
(14:01):
uh,
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (14:02):
hmm.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_1 (14:03):
and I started reading all these
books on people that hadreversed their conditions, a lot
of cancer books because therewere no books on my condition
then, and I had a lot of diseasein my organs, my kidney disease
and liver disease, thyroid too,all very, very serious.
And so I was looking at anythingI could get my hands on.
I was very encouraged by anyonewho had healed anything.
(14:23):
I think it's so interesting whenwe look at comments.
in, uh, under videos or underpeople's stories of, uh, what
they've healed or not healed orall these things, how people get
very encouraged by it and otherpeople get downtrodden.
And I imagine we can probablyget either response in the same
person at different
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (14:41):
Mm hmm.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_1 (14:43):
Uh, but for me, it was very
inspiring because I felt like,well, If anyone can heal from
anything that they say isimpossible, then this is
possible too, right?
Just by the
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (14:54):
Mm
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_1 (14:55):
uh, right?
uh, theory by definition, ifthere's anything that is
outlying, if there's anythingthat shows that that theory
isn't right, it's not a theory,right?
So if someone has gotten better,that means that you can get
better.
It doesn't mean that you can'tget better.
Uh, so I went with that.
I went with the old fashionedscience.
definition of that.
(15:16):
And that was very inspiring tome.
So I started reading lot.
Uh, I read so much and Iencourage people to do so if it
feels good, not if it feelsstressful and if it feels good.
I
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (15:29):
hmm.
Mm.
Mm.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_13 (15:33):
My family are big readers and, uh,
we had these medicalanthropology books.
the 18 and 1900s where doctorswere trying to figure out why
people were getting sicksuddenly and having more health
issues.
And when I read them as a child,I read them for adventure.
You know, I always wanted to seethe world.
never read them from a healthstandpoint, but now I was and I
(15:56):
was seeing these tribes and someof them ate nothing but meat or
blood, milk and meat.
And they were in perfect health,health longevity.
And I putting that against whatI was going through, bedbound
and dying, uh, that broke myworld and immediately started
trying other
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (16:16):
Mm.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_ (16:17):
also putting a rule on things that
has been very helpful for myselfand also for my practice.
And that is that it doesn't haveany ancestral basis, I don't do
it.
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (16:29):
Mm.
I mean, it is clear that, uh,there is a lack of knowledge
about, uh, I don't know, maybethe mechanism of the condition?
Um.
As we know, it, you know, youtalked about how it affects the
autonomic nervous system.
But I want to know, like, how,how does you talked about an
(16:52):
infection, right?
When you talk about the wideworldwide infection, we talk
about COVID, I believe, um, and,and that also caused, you know,
the, this autonomia triggered.
Right.
So what, what is it that, uh,causing this autonomia?
(17:13):
Yeah.
What, what is it?
What's causing it?
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_ (17:16):
yes, so dysautonomia you can get in
many different ways, but postinfection dysautonomia is
typically caused by cytokines.
Usually,
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (17:24):
Um, um, um, um.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_1 (17:27):
the healthier you are, the more
cytokines are going to react.
So there are certain infectionsthat are known to do this.
Uh, Ebola, I live in Africa, uh,a lot of the year.
Ebola is one.
Right?
Very different microbe.
It's not about the type ofmicrobe, it's actually how it
acts on the, on the immunesystem.
infections that tend to gotowards, um.
(17:48):
hurting, causing the ownperson's immune system to hurt
them.
Those.
are the ones that can cause thenervous system damage.
So cytokines traditionally areregulated by vitamin B1
thiamine, which is foundprimarily in pork and fish.
It's not an easy to get vitamin,honestly, in our, our modern
day, a lot of our foods bind toit and deplete it.
(18:10):
So if you're otherwise healthy,Like very healthy, like I was,
but you have B1 deficiencybecause you've been told not to
eat these foods or you're justnot, you don't like them.
Uh, or you eat a lot of foodsthat bind to thiamine in the
body.
And so you're depleted.
Uh, then you get one of theseinfections, the cytokines go
through the roof, they damagethe nervous system, Now other
(18:32):
things can do it too.
So my fever alone could havedone it.
106 fever damages thehypothalamus.
And the nervous system.
We know that.
Uh, so that alone, anything thatdamages the hypothalamus, the
pituitary can do that.
and there's also other forms ofdysautonomia.
You can get it from histamine,very severe, like an MCAD.
(18:52):
Uh, that's a very different kindof dysautonomia.
It presents the same, but the,uh, thing that's causing it is
very different.
So there's actually manydifferent causes.
There's 15 different branches.
Underneath this umbrella and,uh, and they're quite different
in the body, but they presentvery similarly.
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (19:11):
But it can lead to one, I want to
say, I can say a cure, right?
It can lead to a diet change andlifestyle change that can lead
to a, you know, remission or acure.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024 (19:27):
There are tens of thousands of us in
remission.
Uh, but I would say, you know,the problem is, is that there's
a lot of people out there thatare really struggling who have
been incredibly gaslit by theirfriends, family, community,
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (19:39):
Mmm.
Yeah, yeah, mm hmm,
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_13 (19:42):
so hard to get better.
And so when they hear thatthey're going to get really
angry.
Like you're saying I'm not goodenough to get better.
Right.
And don't mean that.
I don't mean that either, butthat is what people hear because
they feel so misunderstood andthey feel like I'm going above
and beyond to get myself better.
Why isn't this working for me?
Um, that kind of thing.
(20:03):
But, The reality is, is thatwhen you're on this journey, it
is brutal and it is isolatingand no one is going to
understand.
And, uh, really the only way outis through.
And so if you can follow thefootsteps of everyone who has
gone through it really evaluateif you are doing everything.
(20:23):
And I don't mean that in ajudgmental way.
I mean that in a private way.
I mean, in a very private way,like I find whatever condition
I'm working with, because I workwith all conditions, whatever
condition I'm working with,often the consistency and the
approach to the method thatactually matters a lot more than
the method.
So if someone is doing somethinglike a boomerang, And they're
(20:47):
like, I'm going to do it ahundred percent.
And they go for 30 days.
And then they're like, Oh, itdoesn't feel right, you know,
and they quit, nothing feelsright.
When you're healing cast,doesn't feel right.
If surgery doesn't feel right,nothing feels right when you're
healing, nothing feels rightwhen you're sick either.
So you might as well not feelright and possibly get
somewhere.
But that takes year,
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (21:07):
mm hmm,
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-202 (21:08):
That's not 30 days.
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_13351 (21:10):
yeah.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_13 (21:11):
is typically where I see the
missing link and, um, and in theups and downs, right?
Because you are very sick onsome days and then moderately
sick on others.
And so missing those bad daysand, uh, not having that
consistency to retrain thenervous system is going to be a
problem.
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_13351 (21:30):
Yeah, you know, as someone who has
struggled with major depressionfor years, Um, I was, you know,
in and out of clinics, Um,nobody was, you know,
understanding what's going on,Um, not my family, not my
friends, Um, I couldn't eventalk to them, Um, and, um,
Almost certain that, uh, if Idid talk to them, you know, they
(21:55):
would, they might look at medifferent.
Um, just because of, you know,Of the misunderstanding of what
it is.
Right.
You know, some people may beeven, uh, quick to judge, um, of
that condition because of, youknow, there's not really a lot
(22:18):
of information out there aboutit.
Um, and it's scary.
It's, it's a scary place to befor somebody.
Um, and I, I believe that you'reright.
You know, just being, justwanting to get better.
I mean.
listening to podcasts like this.
No, for you, you did your ownresearch, reading books, um,
which led you to a, um, todysautonomia in remission.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024 (22:44):
Yeah.
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (22:45):
You know, if you keep that search
going and that means doingwhatever it takes to get better.
Having that mindset, you'll getthere in the first place.
Now you, you went vegetarian,you went vegan, um, and you're
not seeing progress.
And you know, you're, and whatyou did was, you know, you've
continued on the search untilyou find a way, right.
(23:07):
And you did.
And I believe that if that was,if that's your mindset in the
first place, whatever it is, youmay hit a roadblock.
But if your mindset is, you're,you're not gonna stop me, I'm
gonna find it, and you surewill.
Um,
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-202 (23:23):
That's
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (23:23):
a lot of people,
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_133 (23:24):
I was going to say the athlete
mindset, the champion mindsetthat is taught to athletes is
actually what's needed becauseit's brutal.
Everyone thinks you're going tofeel better.
You don't, no one knows thatthey're going to get better.
So no one that goes on thisjourney ever has that certainty
and everyone wants certainty.
They want timeline certainty,but that's not how this works.
(23:48):
is mystery.
This
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (23:49):
Mm hmm.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_ (23:50):
dark forest with no light.
And so you, that, that heromindset, that athlete mindset
that's taught to professionalathletes in particular and
Olympic athletes is so necessarybecause they are putting
themselves through hell everyday to get to their goal.
And that is actually what we doas well.
In the healing field, right?
(24:10):
And it does have to be us.
It does have to be a choicebecause this whole thing is so
victimizing.
It's so wildly victimized as itgoes through this.
And so if we are also feelingvictimized by our choices,
that's, over.
No one can handle that much.
And so it has to feel empoweringwhen we make those hard choices
for ourselves.
Otherwise we just, we crumble.
(24:31):
It's too much for a
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_13351 (24:32):
Yeah,
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_13 (24:33):
to bear.
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_ (24:34):
especially with, um, when we talk about
dysautonomia, because a lot ofpeople struggle, and there's not
a clear path forward.
after being diagnosed, right?
Um, I really hope for people tofind this podcast and really get
hope from it.
Right.
And what's even more challengingis to, when you get diagnosed in
the first place, I heard people,it takes many, many years.
(24:56):
You know, some people not Youknow, not even knowing that they
have it.
There's a lot of confusion justaround this topic.
And maybe it was the wideranging symptoms that makes it
hard to diagnose this condition.
Um, but, uh, what is one, I wantto ask you, um, you, you may
(25:19):
have mentioned it earlier, but,uh, what is one telltale sign?
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024 (25:26):
Yeah.
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (25:26):
one can point to that is a positive
indication that a patient hasthis auto autonomia.
Is there, is there one thing?
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_1 (25:35):
Uh, there's multiples that you
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133 (25:37):
Mm-Hmm.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_1 (25:38):
Um, but as the patient, you will
feel like you are a fishbowl ina car.
you can actually feel your bloodgoing around or that you're on a
boat at all times when you'renot, uh, the walls move and
things.
The, um, you lose your vision.
A lot of the ocular nerve isvery affected.
So, um, you have these absenceseizures, which a lot of people
(25:59):
don't even know they're having.
And, uh, you know, That has toget properly diagnosed, but it's
a part of it.
Um, and those are many, thoseare no big deal, but the big
ones are, and the, and those canhappen a lot too.
But what I look for first thingis I'll see if someone has their
feet down and then if their feetare turning purple or pink as we
meet, uh, and if I push on them,if they get a white spot, that's
(26:20):
an indication of blood pooling.
That blood pooling is going tobe the first indication of where
we're going to get the nervedeath and the damage there, but
also the, you know, the Thething that happens when the
nervous system is deregulated isthat it doesn't communicate
about all the essential bodilyfunctions that we never think
about, right?
So that's from your sleep wavesto your digestion to when your
(26:44):
organs are getting blood towhere your blood is going.
a broken communication style.
It's like that game of telephoneat school that we used to play,
you know, in like second grade.
And there's, uh, someone whodoesn't hear.
In the line and someone whodoesn't speak.
So the communication doesn't getdown to the end line.
body is needing blood in yourbrain.
(27:05):
It needs it in your organs, butit's just hanging out in your
feet.
And so suddenly the body willcatch up out of a panic and
either create a seizure.
to throw you on the floor sothat your brain gets bled or
you'll get the tachycardia.
So one form of dysautonomia iscalled POTS and it's kind of a
silly term.
It's postural orthostatictachycardia, meaning you stand
(27:27):
up, you get tachycardia, butthese people get it all the
time.
They're laying down and it's asfast as a marathon runner.
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_1335 (27:34):
Mm-Hmm
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_ (27:35):
just postural, but the lighter cases,
that's where you would see it.
uh, and that's from the bodycatching up and realizing I
don't have blood or it needs togo right.
And so those would be thetelltale signs.
There's others like
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_1335 (27:48):
mm-Hmm
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2 (27:48):
modeled, uh, palms and things like that.
Uh, the person will get extremebrain fog, not like what healthy
people have.
I mean, like you'll forget howto write your name on a check,
like that kind, like genuine,you cannot figure it out.
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133 (28:02):
mm-Hmm.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_1 (28:03):
but it's not actually your brain is
fine.
When you come back to health isan issue with the blood.
Is actually where it is.
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (28:11):
So is that like a process of
elimination, let's say?
Oh, if you, if you'reexperiencing this, this, this,
uh, symptoms, then, um, if itall adds up to this auto
autonomia, is that how youstart, uh, off your patients?
Just making sure that they dohave this auto autonomia?
Mm-Hmm.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_ (28:28):
What when you've seen something a lot
of times you can see it and, uh,you know, I work virtually and
I'm not diagnosing people.
Uh, that's not my role, but Ican tell them where to go.
You really need to accuse ourtest, which is a, a nerve test
for the small fibers and, uh,and to see a neuromuscular
doctor to get it ruled out.
Cause this is not a waste bucketdiagnosis.
(28:48):
It is something you getdiagnosed.
Absolutely.
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (28:52):
me, all I care about if, um, the
patient gets better, right?
If a patient gets better,
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_1 (28:59):
All that matters.
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_13351 (29:00):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't care, I don't care aboutthe diagnosis for me.
I mean, if it leads to youfeeling better, right?
Um, at the end of the day, okay,if you do get diagnosed, um,
sure.
Yeah, that's great.
You have, uh, You know, thatpath forward, now you know what
you have, but, but then what,what next?
Right.
(29:20):
Um, you know, you, you gothrough this process and at the
end they say it has no cure.
Right.
So, um, have you taken anyimmune suppressant or did they,
uh, did they di uh, prescribeyou with any medications at all
back then?
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024 (29:40):
Yeah, I was on well over 100
medications, but not at
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (29:43):
Oh, no.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024 (29:44):
about 17 or 18 at once.
I was on a breathing machine,all sorts of things.
Um, IVIG has been shown to bereally good for this as it is in
many autoimmune and cancerconditions, but it's rare to get
it actually diagnosed,prescribed.
And as far as diagnosis goes,you're right.
I never need that.
Honestly, uh, really, I like totake an eagle eye view.
(30:04):
I can tell what systems anyonecan tell what systems are at
play.
And if you work at supportingthose systems, you can get
better.
So I always leave it up topeople if they want to get a
proper diagnosis or not.
For me, it was a relief becauseyou spend so many years where
you don't know why you're likethis
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_1335 (30:21):
Right.
Mm hmm.
Mm hmm.
Mm hmm.
Mm hmm.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-202 (30:25):
there.
But, um, I would say that'sprobably a lot less needed now.
You know, I was in remissionbefore I ever met someone or
even heard of someone else whohad it.
It was so rare then, and nowit's very common.
So people can find solace withothers online and that kind of
thing.
So, um, and Uh, you know,there's such a long wait to get
into these things and you canjust get started on rebuilding
(30:47):
your immune system and yournervous system.
There's no reason to wait forthat.
But I think it's a personaldecision.
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (30:55):
Mm hmm.
You talked about that personaldecision.
I mean, you basically took the,took control of the wheel and
you said the hell with this.
Let's find a cure, right?
Or remission.
You've,
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_13 (31:07):
it was that or die.
yeah, I mean, there was
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_13351 (31:10):
yeah,
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_1 (31:10):
The other option is just to, you
know, wither in bed
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_13351 (31:14):
yeah,
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2 (31:14):
further.
And, um, no one wants that.
Yeah,
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (31:19):
And you mentioned you know, you
mentioned just taking ownershipof this.
Uh, if they really want it.
So bad, right?
If you want to heal, what shouldbe expected of them?
Now, I know you mentioned a fewthings, but what should be
expected of somebody that wantsto heal from this?
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_ (31:35):
I'll say it for all conditions.
If you really want to heal fromsomething, you cannot care what
you have to give up and what youhave to do and how
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_13351 (31:43):
Yeah.
Yeah.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-202 (31:45):
That's it.
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_13351 (31:46):
Yeah.
That's, uh, that's, that's it.
I mean, if you really have towant it, right.
I, you know, the most common, Iinterviewed people here on the
show and the most common themefor these people are they're fed
up, right.
They're fed up of theircondition.
And, um, it's just, there's, Nofail mentality.
(32:11):
Hey, I'm going to keep goinguntil I find it.
Right.
Whatever it is, whatever typeof, again, like you said, you
really have to not care aboutwhat you have to give up.
Right.
For me, if it's Yeah, Toxicrelationships, maybe, right.
Um, diet, right.
Um, you know, whatever's causingstress, everything in anything
(32:33):
that's causing Discomfort, pain.
Um, you know, if, if you'resomebody who isn't ready to make
a change, maybe you're not fedup, maybe you're not struggling
enough, maybe the pain's not toogreat yet, right?
I mean, for you to make thistransition and you really have
(32:53):
to want it.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_1 (32:55):
you have to more than want it.
Think
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_13351 (32:57):
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20- (33:03):
something or people setting out for a SEAL
team.
Everybody wants the same goal.
Not everyone gets it.
There's a reason for that.
It is what we are willing tosacrifice, what we're willing to
let go of.
And what we're and it's not justphysical things.
It's like sacrificing the needto be right, right, Sacrificing
the story we've been telling toourselves, sacrificing the need
(33:24):
to be so serious.
I find healing so serious.
It doesn't have to be serious.
We can bring some joy to somesilliness.
So, and it's needed actually.
So, um, so yeah, it's, it's notabout the goal.
It's about the method.
of getting there.
Anyone can develop that, right?
So anyone who's not there yet,it's a skill set that you can
(33:45):
develop.
It's like learning the piano.
You can have if you and Istarted out in second grade and
we both wanted to learn pianoand you were a natural talent
and I was honestly terrible.
If I was playing every day twiceas much as you by the time we're
18, I'm gonna be better, right?
It's about practice.
And dedication and specificallyone priority, the one priority
(34:07):
has to be your end goal ofactually getting there.
If you also muddy that withpriorities of, I like this, I
like that.
I can't do this.
I can't do that.
No, it doesn't work.
I'd love it to work, but itdoesn't work.
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (34:24):
I think the key thing that you
said there is priority, right?
I mean, you can't.
You can't go around that.
You got to have that onepriority in mind, which is if
you're committed to that onepriority, which is health,
there's no other other things.
There's no ifs and buts, right?
I mean, if I want to, at the endof the day, I'm coaching
(34:46):
somebody.
I can't make you eat.
healthy.
I can't make you run a mile.
I can't make you do anythingright.
It's up to you.
When this program is all saidand done, what are you going to
do?
Right?
So some people, you know, fold.
Some people do great.
What is that formula?
I believe that's having thatpriority, right?
(35:09):
Being committed to that goal.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_ (35:11):
It's
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (35:12):
How committed?
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_13 (35:14):
It absolutely commitment and,
humility and being humble.
Honestly, the pride gets in theway a lot
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (35:21):
I get that.
I get that.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024 (35:23):
Yeah,
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (35:23):
I get that.
I
mary-ruddick_1_06-20- (35:27):
shouldn't have to, this should be over,
uh, all the things.
And, uh, yeah.
And also the, um, You know, wevery often want people to
validate our situation, and Ireally wish we had that.
We do need that.
Uh, but we don't have it.
And it's, it's not somethingthat people are going to get.
And so one thing that I'm oftentelling people is, listen, it's
(35:50):
normal to feel victimized byyour situation.
It is victimizing.
But if we go with that, you'regoing to have the outcome that
everyone else has.
We have to be so solely focusedon your end goal you won't even
allow the feelings ofvictimization because those
suppress immunity.
can't afford that, right?
We have to get your immunesystem, your nervous system in
(36:11):
line.
And that means doing Herculeanthings, including releasing
that, like letting it go, notyears of therapy.
No, now we are focused on rightnow.
We are not focused on the past,on the hurt done.
No, we are focusing on rightnow, what will feel good.
can you reframe?
How can you retell your story sothat you are not the victim of
(36:31):
your story?
You are the hero you canactually go out and do what you
need to do.
And your immune system, insteadof replicating a repeat cell,
can replicate a perfect humancell without this disease.
12
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (36:44):
just going by your story, I can't
imagine the struggle like peopleare going through, right?
Um, years and years of theirlife.
Now, You know, I understandyou've struggled for a decade or
more like over a decade andfinally in remission, right?
And I can't imagine how, youknow, relieved you were, right?
(37:06):
You were bedridden, right?
You were disabled and all of asudden now you found something
that's working that You talkedabout how, you know, rare this,
um, I can't, I can't, uh,
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-202 (37:23):
early.
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (37:23):
this autonomia,
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_13 (37:25):
Mm
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (37:25):
um, how rare that is before and now
how common it is now.
It's, it's, uh, I can't imaginehow That may be like, uh, for
somebody.
And I mean, let's get to helppeople here.
What, what do they need to do?
What do they need to give up?
Um, how do they manage this, youknow, early on in diagnosis, or
(37:47):
if they are, you know, committedto this goal, what do they, what
do they have to do?
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024 (37:54):
Yeah.
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (37:54):
me through that.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-20 (37:55):
There's quite a bit.
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (37:57):
Hmm.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_133 (37:57):
a whole thing.
There are people that havehealed from this in multiple
different ways.
I like to bring them alltogether because I'll be honest,
a day living in a body like thisis too much.
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (38:08):
Hmm.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_13 (38:08):
So you want to get there as soon as
you can with realistic goals.
So, uh, So, you know, numberone, you take the eagle eye
view, you've got to rebuild theimmune system in the nervous
system.
Most forms of dysautonomia arean autoimmune condition of the
adrenal receptors to the nervoussystem.
That's why you get so manyissues throughout the nervous
system and have zero energyzero, like negative, negative.
(38:31):
You've not felt it.
If you're healthy, the, um, it'snot being tired.
It's totally different.
Um, so first things first,energy system is not working.
You're on the backup lactic acidenergy system.
So you don't have the option ofusing carbohydrates for energy.
Carbohydrates are going
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (38:48):
Hmm.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_ (38:49):
that lactic acid tenfold.
It's not an option.
We also don't want to do a lotof probiotics.
Because that's going to increaselactic acid.
So we want to shift intoketosis, which everyone is going
to swear they can't do, thatthey've tried.
Believe me, I was there too.
It will often make things muchworse.
You can go about it in many waysto get there.
But the reality is we have toget it vasopressin.
(39:10):
The hormone that regulateshydration into the cell, not in
the serum, right?
Everyone is drinking gallons ofwater and peeing constantly with
this condition.
making yourself more dehydratedwith that recommendation that
everyone is given less water isneeded because we have
vasopressin resistance,basically like insulin
resistance, hydrationresistance.
(39:30):
So to get at that, we have tostart having a very, very, very
regular schedule.
And we want to be on a strategiceagle eye view, uh, ancestral
protocol that is going toregulate hydration.
Now, what does that every timeyou eat carbohydrates, they
require four times as much wateras fat and protein.
(39:52):
So we want to restrict thecarbohydrates and get you into
ketosis.
So you have an energy system youcan actually use.
Because the glucose isn'tworking.
Glutamate receptors are broken.
We can't go high protein.
Uh, but we can use fats and wecan use that strategically.
It's not going to feel like itdoes for athletes.
You're not going to suddenly popinto energy at six weeks.
Well, some people do.
They're lucky I wasn't one, butso don't expect to just suddenly
(40:14):
Feel good.
That's not the goal.
You're being strategic aboutrebuilding the nervous system
and the immune system and aboutgetting your ATP energy back on,
which is much easier.
Uh, you only require 1 30th ofthe amount of diamond when
you're in ketosis.
Then you do.
when you're in a glucose burningsystem.
So there's a lot of reason forthat.
(40:35):
And it's not something that hasto be done lifelong, but it is
the best method I've seen forgetting people intermission.
I also really like to takepeople off starch.
So I do a modified version ofthe gaps intro.
So no lectins and very lowoxalate due to hydration issues
and kidney issues withvasopressin.
uh, and, soft warm food so wecan rebuild the belly and get
(40:57):
the bacteria back where they'resupposed to go.
We'll often do these days, lastfew years I've definitely been
doing a lot of high dosethiamine to rebuild the myelin
sheath.
Sometimes St.
John's wort for the nerves andthe gut lining because that
reverses that.
I know it's known for milddepression but it's actually
really great.
for the nervous system and thegut lining.
Of course, that depends ifsomeone is on SSRIs, that is not
(41:18):
safe.
then we talk to the nervoussystem because things that are
stressful to us emotionally arenot stressful to the nervous
system and vice versa.
For instance, one of thegreatest stresses to the nervous
system, equally as great asbeing in war as a civilian,
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (41:35):
Hmm.
Hmm.
Hmm.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-202 (41:38):
thinks you're hiding.
puts all the blood to theextremities.
What happens in this condition?
Exactly that.
So while it's very normal forany animal, human and others to
hide and retreat when you feelawful, we don't get natural
lights to shift your microbiomeand so that our bacteria, which
communicate through light andquorum sensing actually have
(42:01):
real light to do so, it doesn'twork.
It's very difficult, verydifficult to get better.
So that along with a bunch ofother things, uh, that seem
insignificant, but I promise youare, they, they are not
insignificant, like waking atthe same time, eating at the
same time.
If you're not doing that, yourbody thinks that you're in
chaos.
It thinks you're stressed.
It's not going to heal a cell.
(42:21):
It's not going to give you ahealthy cell.
learning little things that werevery common in ancestral
communities and still are today,the ones that I go to visit
there across the board, we bringthose in.
Uh, and then we bring in a lotof joy, uh, because there's
tricks with laughter and allsorts of things that we can do,
uh, that improve the immunesystem more than any drug that's
(42:42):
been studied.
So part of that solitary goal islike, Okay.
You're in a lot of pain, right?
Your nerves are dying.
You want to chop off your legs.
Most people do with this.
Um, and that's rationalactually, but we can get that
pain down with a ton oflaughter.
And if I tell that to someone,they're going to be like, I'm
going to punch you in the face
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (43:01):
Hmm.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-20 (43:02):
because I am in excruciating pain.
And I'm going to say that isexactly why.
And that is why we have onegoal, not 50, That one goal is
to heal is your goal to heal.
That requires laughter.
Are you willing to laugh?
figure it out.
How can we make you laugh whileyou're in this much pain?
There's a way.
Right.
So it's a lot of solving puzzleslike that and kind of playing
with the self and seeing whatwill work.
(43:24):
Um, one thing I, I am not a fanof is the, uh, uh, I do limbic
coaching and I, well, I don't dolimbic coaching, but I recommend
it.
And I did limbic self.
things for myself, not knowingthat that's what I was doing.
But there's many differentschools of limbic retraining.
A lot of them use reframingthings like that.
Reframing is imperative, but Ido strongly recommend to never
(43:47):
lie to yourself.
I think we want to be honest,but tell a different story.
So I see a lot of these, uh,folks say like, feel great.
I feel wonderful.
When you feel like you're dying,your body knows that you're
lying.
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (43:59):
Hmm.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_13 (44:01):
go from noticing how much pain
you're in to noticing somethingelse that's true to that's
neutral or positive.
So that's what I recommenddoing.
And then you retrain your brainand you come out of it when you
do come out of it.
And it is possible.
Tens of thousands of people havedone it.
It is possible for you to, evenif you feel
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (44:19):
Mm
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_ (44:19):
that is another warning.
If you hear yourself saying thatyou are exactly the person that
does not cultivated that mindsetof the champion, no one who gets
there ever says that at the end,I've tried it
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (44:33):
mm
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_1 (44:34):
Can you imagine David Goggin saying
that?
No,
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_13351 (44:36):
Yeah.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_1 (44:37):
to, you want to think with an
athlete mind.
Yeah, you really do.
Uh, the people that really getto their end goals are never
telling themselves that storybecause it's not true.
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_1335 (44:45):
Mm-Hmm
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024 (44:46):
there yet, it means you need to
reevaluate the ones that youdid.
Make sure they were doneperfectly, not a bite off plan.
You were, they were done withjoy.
And I mean it, uh, flexibilitywhile being disciplined and
consistency for the amount oftime that those protocols
needed.
So if it's nervous system,minimum six months, that's just
when you start to see thingsturn around, right?
(45:07):
With the nervous system,hormonal three months.
So I would always give thosethings nervous system, 12 months
minimum to start seeingprogress, real progress.
Then you can cross that off yourlist and you know, you're, that
will be the that much closer tothe one that's going to work for
you.
Instead of being in this sea ofconfusion of I've tried
everything and hands up in theair.
(45:27):
Oh,
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (45:30):
I mean, you told that like, uh, I
mean there's, if, if somebodyhas this, uh, this ortho
autonoma, listen to that.
That just gives you a lot ofhope.
I mean, you told, like, toldthat like a champion.
Um, that is incredibly detailed.
Um, I hope you guys are.
(45:50):
You know, taking down notes, Iwould, I would, you know, uh,
really listen to this, um, youknow, go back to that point
where, uh, uh, Mary startedtalking about, um, how you are
able to start when you do, whenyou are ready to start that
journey.
It's that you, you covered allaspects of this and, um, it, it
(46:13):
speaks experience.
It speaks, um, you know,confidence in what you do.
Which is, um, I mean, amazing,amazing work you've done.
And it's, it's all for everyoneto see you guys.
Um, you know, if you don't knowMary Ruddick, um, she is, um,
uh, she's a speaker.
She talks about this all thetime on her socials and, uh,
(46:36):
she's, uh, organizations inviteher to speak about this.
Um, because what she has here,um, has helped, Uh, tens of
thousands of people.
So, um, if you guys are, uh, youknow, interested, um, I will
link everything down in thedescription box below.
So you guys can check out andconnect with Mary.
I mean, how do you follow that?
(46:58):
Right.
There's a lot there, um, that wehave to unpack.
Um, I love it.
I love it.
Thank you, Mary, for sharingyour story.
I mean, where can people reachout to you?
Where can people find you?
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_1 (47:10):
you can find me at Mary Ruddick dot
com.
Everything links there.
Um, I do, whenever I dokeynotes, it's usually sponsored
by Captain Soup.
They made a soup that I hadhealed on and they're really
great.
Uh, so if someone's too sick,they can do that.
Uh, but most things link there.
My Instagram Mary Queen ofHearts and mostly I just want to
leave you all with, uh, whateveryou're going through.
(47:34):
If it's a really dark night ofthe soul that's been going on
for a decade or years or far toolong, know that nothing goes on
forever.
Nothing.
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (47:43):
Mm,
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_ (47:44):
it's not your fault.
They are here and that there isa way out.
And if you continuously followthe breadcrumbs, you will find
it.
So believe in yourself.
Don't believe in anything else.
Don't believe in a protocol or amethod or don't put all your
eggs in anything, but yourability to heal, because if
anyone can do it, you can too.
And it's the belief that you canget there, not.
(48:07):
Hope is useless, but the beliefin the faith with action that
can really get you there.
It's been the saddest thing isto see people hopeless online
with this because it ishopeless.
And I, um, I have been on amission so that no one has this.
We have several studies goingand to get it into medical
literature.
Um, I speak at every medicalconference that asked me to
(48:30):
come, whether it's superinconvenient or expensive for me
so that the doctors know.
How to get these folks out or atleast to be their signposts.
Right.
Cause it's really us that doesit.
Um, we don't make ourselvessick, but we are the only ones
that can get us out.
Unfortunately.
Um, I wish there was a surgery.
There's not.
So until there is until thereis, um, maybe one of these days
(48:54):
a mushroom will be found, whoknows.
But, um, but in the meantime,just know that it is possible.
And then if you feel hopeless,don't feel bad about that
either.
There's nothing wrong with agood old pity party day
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_13351 (49:04):
yeah.
Mm-Hmm?
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024_1 (49:05):
But get back to it tomorrow.
So, uh, find me at, uh,maryredic.
com or And most of all, keepgoing.
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_133516 (49:14):
Mm.
Man, I love that you don't knowhow impactful that is.
Somebody telling you, if I hadthat, somebody to tell me that
there is a way out.
When I was going through thatman, that would've been such a,
um, confidence booster and.
You know, it's just, you know,gives you a lot of hope.
So thank you.
Thank you, Mary, for, forsharing your story.
(49:36):
We're here with us and talkingabout, you know, this, um, you
know, incredible, incrediblestory.
You have an insight about, uh,this autonomia.
Um, amazing.
Thank you, Mary.
I appreciate you.
I appreciate you for coming on.
mary-ruddick_1_06-20-2024 (49:50):
Thank you.
And thank you for having such agreat forum to help so many
people.
lorenz_1_06-20-2024_13 (49:54):
Awesome.
Awesome.
All right.
Bye bye.
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