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What if the true threat to our democracy isn't a false narrative of election fraud, but the very real possibility of election theft in 2024? Trump and his MAGA crew are gearing up for another round of election shenanigans in 2024, dusting off their favorite hits: misinformation, voter suppression, and a complete disregard for democracy. But this time, we’re not letting them steal the show—or the election. It’s up to Democrats to flip the script and take control of the narrative before MAGA runs wild again.

We’ll break down the sneaky tactics the GOP is using to rig the system—from local power grabs to outright voter suppression—and why this battle matters more than ever. The playbook is out, and the only way to win is to get ahead of it. It’s time to step up, expose the lies, and protect every vote. The stakes couldn’t be higher, and it’s our turn, if not our obligation, to stop the steal.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
For the past four years, trump and his Republican
Party have beat the drum ofquote stop the steal Hashtag.
Stop the steal.
We have to stop the steal as away to promote the attempts to
delegitimize the 2020 election.
We've all seen it happen.
We've all watched it in realtime and pretty much anybody

(00:21):
with common sense and half aworking brain have been quick to
acknowledge that there was nosteal and this was quote the big
lie that the 2020 election wasstolen from Donald Trump.
As such, anytime we hear stopthe steal, we are now inclined
to kind of roll our eyes andimmediately brace and think
that's ridiculous.
Well, guess what?

(00:41):
We are now exactly six weeksaway from the 2024 presidential
election and, as I'm watchingthis campaign unfold nationwide,
I think one thing we need tostart to do as Democrats, as
defenders of democracy, is startfiguring out how are we going
to stop this deal.
Welcome to the KeystoneReckoning podcast for Tuesday,

(01:02):
september 24th 2024.
I am your host, jesse White.
It's almost counterintuitive,because MAGA has really
conditioned us to hear that stopthe steal is this kind of
negative idea?
Stopping the stealing of anelection is actually not a bad
idea.
It's actually something weshould probably all be in favor

(01:23):
of.
The question is whether or notthe election is actually being
stolen, and that's the bigdistinction.
In 2020, there was no evidencewhatsoever that the election was
being stolen.
However, fast forward fouryears and the evidence is all
around us that Trump and theRepublicans are going to do
everything in their power to tryto steal the election.

(01:46):
Now, what do we mean by steal?
The definition of steal is totake something that doesn't
belong to you.
The concept of stoppingsomething from being stolen is,
in of itself, not a bad one,right?
That's something where I thinkwe could all get behind.
If someone has somethinglawfully and someone's trying to
steal it, yes, we should doeverything in our power to stop
that, but obviously that's avery simplistic description of a

(02:09):
very complicated issue.
So let's look at what thedifference is here, let's look
at what's actually happening andlet's talk about what is being
done and needs to be done toaddress it.
First of all, the claims in 2020were baseless, and that has
been proven by the dozens oflawsuits that were brought
post-election by the Trumpcampaign.
That had absolutely no merit.
He lost every single one.

(02:30):
There's just nothing to it.
There was no evidence that theelection was actually stolen.
That was something that waskind of formulated after the
fact to compensate for the factthat Trump actually lost.
What we're seeing now issomething entirely different,
and the thing that about it is alittle bit scary actually a lot
scary is that you have toremember, in 2016, trump did not

(02:54):
expect to win at all.
In 2020, they weren't really assophisticated with what they
were doing.
There was a lot of kind ofcrying after the fact, but you
have to realize something weredoing.
There was a lot of kind ofcrying after the fact, but you
have to realize something.
What's different between 2020and 2024, aside from just about
everything?
But there's something specificabout Trump that I think it's

(03:15):
overlooked, and I tell it topeople all the time who ask me
you know what lengths is Trumpwilling to go to to win this
election?
And you have to understandsomething there has never been
in the history of America acandidate who has so much
hinging on whether or not theyare elected to public office.
There's nothing even close.
From a personal point of view,if Donald Trump wins, he has

(03:37):
already told us exactly whathe's going to do.
He's going to go as far as hecan to wield dictatorial power.
He's going to go as far as hecan to wield dictatorial power
and we've also seen that theRepublican Party by and large
and the Supreme Court, which Iguess is an extension of the
Republican Party at this pointare they lack the fortitude to
keep him in check in any way,shape or form.

(03:58):
That's one extreme.
The other extreme is he willdie in prison, and I don't mean
someone's going to kill him orshank him.
The guy's 78 years old.
He's not the healthiest guy onthe planet.
One of these cases is going toget him.
It's just a matter of which one.
You know.
Anybody that's actually readthese things knows this guy is
guilty of multiple crimes.
We already know he's guilty ofone, but I'm talking about the

(04:21):
more serious ones.
Eventually he is going to notbe able to hide behind the
immunity decision from theSupreme Court.
They're going to figure out away around that.
Hopefully, kamala Harris willappoint an attorney general
who's willing to be moreaggressive than Merrick Garland,
who I think, quite frankly, hasbeen a big disappointment to

(04:43):
Democrats, and that he is not.
That he hasn't engaged inpartisan battles, because that's
not what I'm talking about thathe has not taken the steps that
are essential to the job towhich he's been appointed to
discourage this kind of behavior.
Right, he hasn't really made anexample of anybody because
everybody's so worried about, oh, what will happen if you go

(05:05):
after the bad guys?
Well, you know what.
You can't operate like that.
But the point is this is such aclear black and white decision
for Trump Get elected, geteverything you want, lose the
election, it's over.
It's over Because MAGA willmove on.
There will be a massive powervacuum.
They will be trying to figureout who the next one will be and

(05:42):
eventually Trump at best willbe a kingmaker.
In quote steal the electionbefore it even happens and
before you start thinking oh,this is tinfoil hat stuff and
this is this is what they do andthis isn't the same thing and
we need to be better than this.
Right in front of your eyes, allover the country, these

(06:04):
Republicans are doing everythingin their power to try to gin up
the works in their favor.
It's right there, and I'mbecoming increasingly convinced
that the real battle may notnecessarily be at the polling
places, at the ballot box.
It's going to be after the factor it's going to be before the

(06:26):
fact and the votes that aren'tgoing to be cast, which
therefore can never be counted.
So let's take a quick look atwhat's going on.
One of the most high profilecases is in Nebraska, and it's a
great example of how theRepublicans are really trying to
break the dam of democracyright, these kind of protections

(06:49):
that we have in place that weall rely on to have faith that
our elections are being runfairly, that ballots are being
cast as they should, that peopleare not being disenfranchised.
There's kind of a dam there,and obviously what Trump and his
allies are doing is trying tocrack the dam.
They're trying to burst the damand you see these cracks
develop, and one of them was inNebraska, because in Nebraska

(07:14):
the electoral votes in the stateare one of the only two states
in the country where the votesare not being cast all at once,
for, you know, as a group forone candidate in the Electoral
College.
They're done proportionally.
What that means is, because ofthe city of Omaha, that there is
going to be most likely oneblue electoral vote that comes

(07:35):
out of Nebraska.
That's as long and short of asthat's what we're talking about
here and a group of Republicansled by Trump, obviously, and the
governor of Nebraska was awilling participant and a lot of
Republicans led by Trump,obviously and the governor of
Nebraska was a willingparticipant and a lot of
Republicans in the legislaturethere were really pushing
because if they could go andchange the way those electoral
votes are allocated between nowand election day, you could very

(07:58):
easily see a scenario where,instead of it being 270 to 268
for Kamala Harris, it nowbecomes 269 to 269, which then
throws the election into theHouse of Representatives.
One thing that a lot of peopledon't realize.
That is crucially important tothis understanding how this
works.
This is not a situation whereevery Congress member gets one

(08:21):
vote.
That's not how this works.
So the way it works is, if theelection goes to the House of
Representatives, each state hasone vote, so each state
delegation has one vote, whichmeans now you need 26 states to
win.
The Senate then would elect thevice president, with each
senator having a vote.

(08:42):
A majority of senators amajority of senators is needed
to win.
So that gets all that's of allsorts of crazy scenarios which
you know.
You could actually theoreticallyhave Kamala Harris breaking the
tie in the Senate to elect, Iguess, tim Walz as vice
president, but she would lose.
I get yeah, that's a thing, Iguess that could happen.

(09:02):
Trump would be president andTim Walz would be vice president
.
I guess yeah, that's a thing, Iguess that could happen.
Trump would be president andTim Walls would be vice
president.
I suppose or I guess they couldelect anybody I don't know if
they would reelect Kamala.
I don't know.
Let's just hope and pray wenever get to that point, the
point being that that oneelectoral vote in Nebraska
really mattered matters.
It's a kind of a big deal.
So their attempts to try totake it away are a big deal, and

(09:27):
in one of the this is one ofthose attempted cracks of the
dam of democracy, and what wesaw in that instance was one of
the state senators a RepublicanOriginally it was a Democrat
turned Republican and he said no, I'm not going along with it.
Republican.
And he said no, I'm not goingalong with it.
They needed a super majority ofthe state Senate in Nebraska to

(09:48):
make it go.
They were going to call aspecial session.
The details don't matter.
The point is this one statesenator said no, I'm not doing
it, I'm not going along with it,and in doing so, basically
stopped the entire thing in itstracks.
So Mike McDonald is the guy'sname, and he carried two other
votes with him, senators thatwere going to basically go as he

(10:10):
went.
Therefore, they didn't have thevotes to overturn it.
They didn't have the votes tomake the change.
So Nebraska's electoral voteswill remain as they originally
were.
Unfortunately, this is one ofthose things where you're like,
oh great, move on to the nextthing.
But let's understand somethinghere this is a situation and
there are way more of them outthere than I think we either
realize or would like toacknowledge where the thing

(10:34):
defending us and defendingdemocracy it's a very, very thin
layer of defense, right?
Mike McDonald, a state senatorfrom Nebraska, was basically the
piece of chewing gum that gotput up against the crack in the
dam.
And you know, we've all seen,you know cartoons where they
show the dam and there's a leak,and there's another leak, and

(10:54):
there's another leak, and youknow what happens Eventually you
run out of gum.
You know where.
The cartoon character can'tchew that much gum that fast.
So you're starting to see allthese different things.
That was a pretty obvious one.
Another one, obviously Georgia.
You know the state boards ofelections.
There are wreaking all sorts ofhavoc and you know they are
definitely election deniers.

(11:15):
They managed to get control ofthese local boards and I will
give Republicans credit forsomething they are very good at
finding things where thesecracks can be and kind of
slipping themselves intoposition under the radar, and I
think that's something thatfrankly, democrats need to be a
lot better at.
You know, and unfortunatelythat can get us into paranoia,
because you know there's no kindof no limit to how crazy you

(11:38):
can get.
But we have to be cognizant ofit.
But and do something aboutwhere we can I don't.
In some places you just can't,but Georgia is obviously another
big one, that's in the news.
Places you just can't, butGeorgia is obviously another big
one, that's in the news.
What they've done there theState Board of Elections and
what we're talking about isthese local or statewide boards
that have served.
They have a very limiteddefinition of what they can do

(12:01):
or should be able to do by law,statutorily, and in many they
take ironically, they go awayfrom the strict constructionism
reading of statutes and rulesand they decide that they are
now empowered to do a lot morethan they actually are, force
everybody to have to go back andtry to relitigate it and, as we

(12:25):
have seen with the immunitycase with Trump, you can't
simply rely on the courts toalways do the right thing.
Let's not be naive here.
That's just not the world we'reliving in and I think if we
didn't learn that after Bush vGore, shame on all of us.
So we've got the situation inGeorgia where they've decided,
they've made a rule that prettymuch anybody can challenge the

(12:50):
election and force a hand countof ballots, and I believe the
board actually said they'regoing to ask for a hand count
already.
You have to understand somethingA hand count of an entire state
is incredibly expensive.
It is wrought with potentialfor legitimate fraud and I'll
explain what that looks like ina second and just basic human

(13:12):
error and it will take forever,and the plan is to allow it to
take so long that the resultscan't be certified in time
certification deadlines and whenthe Electoral College meets and
all that kind of stuff.
It's setting the stage foranother January 6th where
hopefully they've been able torig it in advance to where they

(13:36):
can maneuver the system to getwhat they want without having to
try to storm the Capitol againNot that I think they won't do
that.
So you have this scenario wherethey're trying very hard to
prevent ballots from beingcounted in the traditional way,
requiring all of these differentmethods, kind of taking big
steps backwards in the way wecount and tabulate our votes.

(13:57):
And one of the pieces of thiswhen we talk about the potential
for fraud, really what we'retalking about is intimidation.
Republicans are very good andI've seen this with my own eyes.
I'm not going to waste timewith it now, in 2010,.
I you know, and when I wasrunning for reelection in the
state house it was one of my bigreelects and it was the Tea
Party year and they bust peoplein from all over the state and

(14:23):
all over the country to show upat polling places and intimidate
voters.
That's exactly what it was.
We ended up catching them on anews camera.
It got wild.
It got wild.
It's a story for another day,but the point is they have no
problem showing up andintimidating people.
They will do that and if you goback and look, you'll see it
happens in places where thereare recounts happening.

(14:43):
You know, in Florida in 2000was the best example.
There would be a legitimatequestion about the validity of a
ballot, or back then it was thedimpled chads, or hanging chads
for those of us that rememberthat and you got so much
intimidation because you cantypically have someone from each
campaign, so someone from eachparty, there to supervise, to

(15:06):
ostensibly make sure everythingis on the level.
But what they can do is theycan be so forceful in their
objections that they invariablywill kind of use almost that
brute force of the pressure toget what they want.
And that's what you're going tosee.
If we have to start handcounting ballots in Georgia and

(15:27):
other states, it will almostcertainly suppress votes, which
is almost the exact opposite Notalmost is the exact opposite of
what a hand count supposed todo, which is to confirm votes
that were cast.
This is to go and take awayvotes that were lawfully cast.
So you know, and it was so bad,it's so bad in Georgia, that
the state attorney general, aRepublican, issued a ruling

(15:48):
before the board of electionsdid this, and they were like yo,
this is super illegal, don't doit.
Like we're telling you, this isillegal, don't do it.
And they were like that'swonderful, we're going to do it
anyway.
So it's going to go through thecourts and, yes, it will almost
certainly be overturned, or atleast some component of it.
But, a you never know.

(16:09):
B it gives them the ability tonow scream fraud if something
doesn't go their way and KamalaHarris wins.
And C it allows them to focusenergy and create divisiveness
where there ought not be any.
And that's the last thing weneed as we head into these last
six weeks before the before theelection.
One of the other ones that islocal to Pennsylvania.

(16:30):
Well, first of all,pennsylvania statewide.
You know, and it's funny toanybody that says oh well, you
know this is a both sides issue,and you know they come back
with all these stories aboutvotes being double counted and
this, that and the other thatare always without merit and
always without merit.
Look, all you have to do is sayto somebody okay, can you
please show me where a Democrathas gone into court to stop

(16:51):
somebody from having the rightto vote?
For as much as MAGA and theRepublicans have this
persecution complex, they won'tbe able to point to a single
instance where anybody is tryingto deny their right to vote.
Conversely, if you go and lookat all the lawsuits and all the
challenges to voting rights,whether it be purging voters

(17:12):
from the voter rolls whichalmost exclusively happens in
Republican states or lawsuits totry to restrict or stop mail-in
voting, or in counties, at thecounty level, to eliminate drop
boxes.
These are all things that aredesigned to prevent people from
being able to cast a ballot.
These are all things that aredesigned to prevent people from
being able to cast a ballot.
We all know that's exactly whatit is and it's something that
we cannot be afraid to speak outon.

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Voter ID is another one.
That's a whole other issue.
I went through all that, thosebattles in the state house we
were having them.
It's an ugly issue because it'seasy for the Republicans to try
to make this common sense quoteargument.
It doesn't matter.
What we're talking about hereare things that are more
complicated but, at this pointin the calendar, a lot more
important.
So in Pennsylvania, you've gotthese decisions going back and

(17:57):
forth up and down the courtsabout the ability to send out
mail-in ballots and drop boxesand all these different things,
and what it's doing now isgetting us to the point where we
are running out of time.
Right, mail-in ballots have togo out, these things have to be
printed, they have to be figuredout.
There are a lot of processesinvolved and, as someone who has

(18:19):
worked with boards of electionsin counties all over
Pennsylvania and these arealmost exclusively very
well-intentioned, hardworkingpeople who are out of their way
to keep partisanship out of itwe are making their jobs almost
impossible Not that they wereeasy to begin with because we

(18:39):
don't give them the resourcesthey need.
They don't have enough pollworkers, all the things we
already know about.
But one of the ones that jumpedout at me and this was a story
that started a while back andhas now come back to the
forefront just today is my homecounty of Washington County,
which is just really justdescended into just MAGA hell.

(19:00):
I mean, it's just really become.
It's become a cesspoolpolitically in many ways.
Not all the people there, butyou know, I think about what it
was like when I came intopolitics 20 years ago out there
and I wouldn't recognize it, andI really think a lot of that
has to do with the insouthwestern PA, the, the

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redneckification that came fromthe fracking industry.
That kind of brought thatmentality and Trumpism before
there was Trumpism as early as2010,.
Like we talked about.
That's a whole other podcastfor a whole other day, but it's

(19:43):
nuts down there.
The Washington County Board ofElections threw them out for
various technical reasons, butthen didn't tell anybody the
voters that their vote was notbeing cast, that the vote didn't
count.
They just were like, eh, we'renot going to let you know and
that's like the most you know.
It's a tell me you're fromWashington County without
telling me you're fromWashington County thing.
And it went.

(20:06):
It's gone all the way up andthe Commonwealth Court today,
two to one, determined that theWashington County Board of
Elections denied hundreds ofvoters in the primary election
the right to cast a ballot andhave it counted.
And, as someone who you know, Ithink I lost an election in
Washington County by less than acouple hundred votes in 2016.
So look, it's not nothing right, it matters.

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And in a state where, in thisyear's general, it's going to be
incredibly close by allaccounts, you can't have just a
couple hundred votes not becounted and not even be allowed
to be counted at all because ofa technical detail and then not
let the voters know.
So this is something wherethese are the little things that

(20:49):
are being figured out and theyare again another crack in the
dam right.
A little one here, a little onethere and you start putting
them all together.
Look at Wyoming.
I believe it was where absenteeor mail-in ballots went out to,
I believe, service members, andone candidate's name was left
off the ballot.
As printed, it was KamalaHarris.

(21:09):
Like what, as my 10-year-oldwould say, what the
skibbity-sigma Like?
Come on, that is inexcusable.
I get to say that it was doneon purpose and but for that
misprint, kamala Harris wasgoing to win Wyoming.
No, I might even be willing tobuy that.
It was a legitimate mistake,but it's a mistake that cannot

(21:30):
be allowed to happen.
I've watched a lot of thesethings that have gone on and
you're like how is there not agreater level of not even
oversight, just kind of a secondpair of eyes looking at
something?
These are kind of big deals.
So these are the kind of thingsthat we're talking about.
They're happening all over thecountry.
Some of them are big, nasty,statewide issues that get a lot
of press.

(21:50):
You know the Nebraska thing,the Georgia thing.
Some of them are a lot morelocal.
They're a lot smaller, like theWashington County thing,
because it's all part of a web.
Right Now we can put ourtinfoil hat on.
Right now I sound like aconspiracy theorist.
The point is sometimes, wherethere's smoke, there's fire, and
if we don't recognize the smokethat is coming up from all

(22:10):
these places, the fire is goingto be impossible to put out.
And so what happens when thisall comes to pass, when election
day is over and let's say that,as imagined, it's incredibly
close and we were able topinpoint certain areas where,
clearly, voters have beendisenfranchised.
But the problem is now it's toolate because you know, in a lot

(22:35):
of instances, the you know thefix was in right, the processes
were fixed in advance.
You know you have to go backafter the fact and have votes
added back in, which is a lotharder.
What do you do?
And what's going to happen isRepublicans are going to,
because they're so cute and sosmart, are going to then take
Democrats' words in response tothe previous, stop the steal and

(22:58):
they're going to flip themright back around and call us
all a bunch of hypocrites, andthe media will just sop it up
with a biscuit.
Right, it's going to bewhataboutism to a degree that
will blow everybody's minds.
Oh well, you didn't have aproblem with the legal
acceptance of the electionresults of 2020, but now,

(23:19):
because you lost in 2024, you dohave a problem with it.
And you know, there we go,we're off to the races and we're
so busy at that point fightingthat narrative concurrently with
the legal arguments that willneed to be made in one and the
insane amount of pressure thatwill be on everybody.
Because there's this thingwhere, if you know, election Day

(23:40):
I've always said is the WildWest.
I've seen crazy things happenon Election Day.
That needs to be an episodeunto itself.
And the point is is that whenit's over and the votes are
counted by, whatever frameworkis in place for that to happen
and you're not the winner,anything less than acknowledging
that you lost, even if youmaybe didn't, is looked upon as

(24:03):
being a sore loser.
And that's just where we're at,and it's in which is why it's
so important to really deal withthese things in advance, to
what the extent that we can, andI think we've done a good job
of that, by the way, I thinkwe've done a good job I, at
least, I hope I'm.
God only knows what else ishanging out there, but I think
we've done a good job of finding, attacking, isolating and

(24:23):
shining light on these things.
I don't think that the mediawill be as willing to talk about
it after the fact, because theywill be under such immense
pressure to basically, well,that's it, move on, we're done.
And they've got this syndromeof this.
Well, we have to be fair andbalanced and tell both sides,
and we've seen that play out.

(24:44):
So we have to be ready.
I think we need to kind of steal.
Ironically, we need to steal,stop the steal.
And we need to stop the stealbefore it happens.
And we can't be afraid of ourpast words being thrown back on
us, can't be apologetic, wecan't say yeah, well, but nope,
this is different.

(25:05):
There are laws.
You've broken the laws, eitherin the spirit of the law or the
letter of the law.
You've manipulated the system.
Here's how you did it,basically, you know you did it,
we know you did it.
So shut up, just shut up.
We're going to stand up forsomebody's right to vote.
We're going to stand up tovoter disenfranchisement and say
, no, that's not going to happenin this country, because that

(25:25):
is one of the pillars of ademocracy.
So, yeah, you're trying tosteal an election.
You're doing it in broaddaylight, everybody can see what
you're doing and you know whatyou need to do, stop the steal.
And if we do that and we do itright, hopefully we can make it
work for good for once, becausewe have to Because of everything

(25:45):
that's on the line.
We can't look at these brazenchallenges to our democratic
processes, looking at peoplethat are being disenfranchised
and saying and not being willingto stand up for them because
they are, you know, generally,you know populations that are
underrepresented.
They, you know, and it goes tothe idea of Republicans and

(26:07):
Trump attacking people of color,attacking people that are not
wealthy, attacking people thatare not them and somehow making
them less than right.
That's the thing.
They're trying to make thosepeople less than so.
Then we're supposed to feel badfor standing up for them.
We can't let that happen.
They have a right to vote.

(26:27):
We have a right to vote.
Everybody has a right to voteunder the law.
My right to vote is just asimportant as yours.
I don't care who you're votingfor.
I do care who you're voting for, but I care that your vote
matters as much as mine, becausethat's the way it has to work.
There's no other option.
So all we can do at this pointeyes open, open, laser focused

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find these things as they'rehappening.
Bring them to light, addressthem in the courts, address them
through public pressure.
Do what we need to do to makesure that every vote that can be
cast is cast and every votethat should be counted is
counted, and that is how we stopthis deal.
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