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October 7, 2025 73 mins
How can we hear from God? Is it even possible? This question haunts individuals the world over, spanning many generations. Join Dr. Lee Ann Marino for her installment of Super Sunday School Sunday at Sanctuary International Fellowship Tabernacle (Charlotte, North Carolina) for a discussion about the different ways we can hear from God, identifying His voice, and learning more about what He has to say to us. (Intro and Conclusion Track "Fire ball" by Yvgeniy Sorokin, https://pixabay.com/users/eugenemyers-40510887/. TRANSform 2025 ad "Gospel Worship Church Prayer Music" by Iergen Poltavsky from Pixabay, https://pixabay.com/users/hitslab-47305729/.) 
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Welcome to Kingdom Now the podcast featuring faith with an edge as we recognize

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the Kingdom of God within you. I am your host Dr. Lee Ann Marino, apostle, overseer,
author, podcaster, blogger, professor and theologian and founder of safe ministries
and all the works that go along with it. I am excited to share this program with you
as we explore the ins and outs of counterculture Christianity present as you live

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This special episode of the Kingdom Now podcast titled How to Hear From God
was recorded live at sanctuary International Fellowship Tabernacle in Charlotte
for our Super Sunday School Sunday seminar series about hearing from God.
If you would like to learn more about the work of sanctuary feel free to visit our
website at welcomeinthisplace.org.

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Okay we are live.
Okay I see the little live thing in the corner.
All right well hi internet.
Hey sanctuary everybody.
So I guess I should introduce myself since I never do because I just go on the
promise everybody who watches notes who I am since they're following the page but I'm

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I'm Lee Ann Marino I'm the Apostle here I am pronounced she her and today we are
talking about hearing from God and I'm doing how to hear from God.
Okay so it's something people have wondered about throughout history.

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I have my announcer voice on well because I was thinking everybody always thinks of
God's voices being Morgan Freeman's so I was trying to think of something funny to do with it.
Okay am I wrong Liam Neeson.
Okay or George Burns if you all go back far enough to the old God series from the 70s

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but a lot of people don't so anyway I've wondered throughout history books have been
written about a thoughts that expounded upon it.
Millions have sought about it.
If we read scripture it doesn't appear there's just one answer to the question in this study we will explore the mystery of
how to hear from God.
Oh everybody know okay so I'm actually trying to do this a little bit different than I usually do because

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we are doing this seminar style.
Now actually somebody over here who's not on camera asked me if I had a syllabus which I probably
should have made something up and I didn't really think about that and maybe for the future that is something that we do want to do when we do this is we like make so this isn't we put them together in a booklet but I did not do that this time I was just very proud of myself that I typed things instead of using my handwritten journal like I usually do which I'm amazingly more comfortable with.

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But before we get started and I think that this is important for anything that's going to be presented today whether it's me whether it's the other two presenters the other two
ministers that are going to present we're putting up a disclaimer and this is why we're putting up a disclaimer I shouldn't have to put up a disclaimer but you know people aren't really good at critical thinking these days so we do not seek to indicate that everything that we hear or we think or we believe is from God and I'm actually going to talk about that a little bit later on today because I think that's important I am not here to tell you that every thought you have this God.

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If you think you walk away from that with that that's not on me because I'm not saying that and we're not going to say that in this year today hearing from God is a discernment process discernment I think we should do a thing just on discernment because we are all so not good with that these days and not everything that everyone hears all the time even if they claim it is such and I'm going to talk about that too is from God.

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Okay we have to be smart about this and we have to understand how we're doing it and whether anyone claims to have heard from God the entire situation should be measured for accuracy and access for purpose and we are going to discuss that later as well and at the same time I'm not looking to minimize or downgrade anybody's experience I don't believe that every time everybody hears from God it's for everybody it's not a conference call.

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And so you can very much have had some experience out there with God and had some sort of thing that you really believe real passionately in that I look at your sideways for and that could be me you could just have had it for you it may not be for everybody else and that's also something that we're going to kind of tap into a little bit on here this is information it's based on what we have it's based on what we know in scripture.

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And the experiences that people had to understand the topic for ourselves so whatever you take away from this for you we're not attacking anybody we're not putting anybody down I am going to use a couple of examples of some stuff today and if it's you that I'm talking about you know do what you will with it but I mean you know we're not looking to go after anybody this is not that type of a thing so we're going to talk about now hearing from God a trivia game.

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So let's start who heard from God in a Burning Bush Chuck okay who heard from God in days when hearing from God was rare nope well yeah but no that doesn't say that in the text but you.

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Not necessarily nope yes yes Samuel okay who was so desperate to hear from God he sought a word in a way that broke God's law that's all I've been doing a lot on Saul I want to do message on Saul who heard from God in a still small voice yes okay what two Bible characters

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and Bible characters heard from God by instinct through Providence rather than direct revelation yes okay doing good everybody's calling out answers okay what Bible character had both dreams and visions about four beasts in the ancient of days yes it's Daniel very good what body of Bible adjacent literature proves more people heard from God than we might think yes okay

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and which Bible character pointed out that God can speak through any means he desires at any time this one's going to be hard it's in Job but it was not Job who said it yes it's the guy who was in at the end, Elihu
Elihu I'll tell you all what that one was it was a lie who that one I was this and that one was hard okay and so here are the answers all right and we all did very well with this we have

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Moses saw God in the Burning Bush Samuel heard from God in days when it was rare Saul did stuff he shouldn't because he wanted to hear from God and he wasn't Elijah heard from God in a still small voice
Ruth and Esther both in those two books heard from God by instinct or Providence Daniel had the visions and the dream the apocrypha gives us an idea that God did speak more than just we might have thought

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and I'll explain a little bit more about that and Eli who was job 33 14 that God can speak through every we heard so what does all this tell us about hearing from God well a great deal actually but what do you all get from it
it's not just one way the same way exactly and that more than one person the same person can experience it in a lot of different ways what else anybody else get anything

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I'm really sorry about that okay well you didn't even cheat right we did this okay all right so let's start with what does it mean to hear from God because I think that this is actually a really really important point so hearing from God
or this is how I kind of understand it when it came time to do this because I did a message on this a really really long time ago that I don't even know what happened to I think I wound up throwing out the notes because I never did it but you know it means that one has an awareness of God's involvement in a situation

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okay so ideally it's the presence of God in your life but not everybody who hears from God always has an awareness of God's presence in their lives
so through a means that an individual can recognize and understand so it's God speaking to us or revealing himself to us in a way that we can understand in a situation in a circumstance in something of that specific nature

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and it can come in a lot of different forms like Chuck pointed out through all those different things burning bushes and still small voices
and one of them says that the voice of God thunders through thunder and through lightning and that's in the Psalm somewhere one of them it says God's voice spits fire in the message Bible I think it's in one of the Psalms
but you know it's in a lot of different ways it can be audible but it's not always that way and I think that we also need to kind of step back when we start to talk about the

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audibility factor that when we read the Bible and it says God told Noah to go build an ark okay and that he had all those specific dimensions we don't know how Noah heard from God
I'm just using that as an example we don't know he didn't have a vision or have a voice or see this thing I mean build this thing and it's got this many cubits

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it's this many wide and it's this and that okay he didn't go okay deep and wide deep and wide there's an ark that's building deep and wide he actually he might have had a vision he might have seen it I'm going to say that there probably was a visual component
because it's kind of complicated you know or we say you know he says a right it's going to rain well what was rain there are a lot of theories that it never rained before yes

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why not actually yeah I mean we don't know he was always going up on that mountain when you know one of the things we have to understand with the Bible that Chuck has pointed out and it has absolutely changed my mind
and that's after studying the Bible for 20 some odd years in my instance okay it's not a diary okay Moses didn't go up on the mountain go dear diary today God was awesome he showed me the tabernacle

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and these are the dimensions okay okay and I actually years ago when I was in in a CCD program so that's how many years ago this was I took one on the Hebrew scriptures and the instructor pointed out that inspiration doesn't mean that God was talking in their ear and they were writing with the other hand
now I'm not going to say that that's not always a way that it can happen and I mean like I'm thinking about like writing a book or writing a song or something like that when I get a melody it kind of just does kind of appear out of nowhere

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but I'm not necessarily you know all right dimensions on this God could you talk a little bit slower so I could get all this down it's not how it happened
and understanding that means there might have been they might have had visions they might have had insights there might have been prophecy it might have been God literally speaking and then writing something down or it might have been in a different form or it might have been all of it we don't really know

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and the Bible writers it's like I say this was the analogy I made that crack Nik up the other day for Italians okay
spaghetti and meatballs are two dishes that we put together because the focus is the pasta we almost don't care what we put on the pasta

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but whatever we're making the focus of the dish is the pasta the sauce is the accent okay so with the Bible God giving the message was the pasta
all these other details are the accents and the people didn't really care about it that much it really wasn't the focus the focus was God it wasn't really the messenger as much as we often like to attribute stuff like that

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and so this is you know one of those things where it can happen a lot of ways the focus is the message it's not did you get it the right way
and we're really really into some of that nowadays we're really really into some of those technicalities because I think we want to eliminate things
it's an example of recognizing that God is involved in does care about us that we're not deists that God didn't create the world and then leave it there to trip over itself

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that God really is still involved with it and that there is room for both the ordinary and the extraordinary and hearing from God
so there is room for the burning bush experience there's also room for God to tell me the other day that you know Lee Ann, wear your new underwear
and now I know that that sounds really kind of funny and that's you know like one of those things that we don't often think that much about I bought this stuff and I'm still wearing all this old stuff that's falling apart

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and it's like Lee Ann, get a grip okay and so maybe it's not the most exciting thing in the world and maybe it's not something like we say it's not a conference call it's not something that's maybe going to go around the world and you know be the salvation message for China
but it's definitely something that still has merit and when I think about this and I think that we have to be really careful about with it is that

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we often assume everything with God has to be supernatural and over the top and ridiculous and so you know of several years back I mean it was more than 10
so it was enough years back having these incredible super unnatural over the top experiences with God was like this thing
and you had to have those experiences for people to really think that you were a believer if you didn't have them they very much looked down on you

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and so these people tended to be into these movements were often in touch with a certain theology from a certain church in California that we're not going to mention by name but it met rhymes with Ethel
and so what happened is these people would claim to go to the throne room okay meaning that they went to heaven and like that they went to the seat of God's authority is what that's supposed to be symbolized

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it doesn't mean they went to the bathroom but some of them is what they came back but they might as well go into the bathroom and so you know people would claim to go to the throne room and heaven three or four times a day
one guy said he went all the time and that heaven was full of roller coasters and I'm just sitting there like this thinking wow heaven must have puke bags or something like that
because to be a roller coaster is not heaven okay I ain't going on one I don't want to go near one you know those are not my thing

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and so you know that's not this thing and many came back with messages that just didn't seem throne roomy to me I mean you know I can read the Bible and God told me not to be afraid I don't need to go all the way to heaven for that
and I mean I'm just making the point I mean you know I'm just thinking you know if you're going to go all the way to heaven and God's going to give you that experience

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isn't he going to bring you back with something you know that's like more than don't worry about the future I mean that just doesn't seem like you're there in front of God and that's all God has to say I mean that's my opinion of it
that's my take on it and you know I mean if I'm really going to kind of be honest I stepped back one day because these were people a lot of them look down on me

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because I wasn't spiritual enough to them I got up every day and I took my dogs out and I wrote books in two weeks which you know for some people that would be really extraordinary but you know it wasn't really that interesting to this type of people
because I wasn't having 55 missions of a visions of day and if I did have some type of an experience I didn't talk about it I didn't put it on Facebook I didn't put it before these people because something in me told me that something was off

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and what I'm going to say is a lot of these people then became a part of another movement that supported a certain leaders administration in other words didn't see through nothing and so that speaks enough to me about that right then and there
but you know I knew a lot about them because I had an assistant who was connected to them at the time and so I knew a lot about them personally
and what I'm going to say is that they could hear God tell them to go to the throw room but they couldn't tell God to hear them to stop arguing with somebody on Facebook or go and take care of their kids or go clean up their living room or you know there was you know or stop screwing around with every guy who looked in their direction

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there was one woman in particular who I will not ever forget she's sitting in my inbox and she found out I had been Catholic and she said to me well I won't hold it against you that you used to be Catholic
and I said to her well I won't hold it against you that you used to be a whore and I'm not censoring that because that's exactly what I said to her
we're all sitting here shocked and looking at that you're talking to me about that you go worry about you okay God it's not going to ask you about the church I used to go to 20 years ago God is going to ask you about why do you keep getting involved with this

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and she wasn't as pure as the driven snow then either but you know to me the goal that we did that and we can't hear God so you're worried about me being Catholic but you can't hear God tell me about you
and we often don't I mean I'm not going to lie about that that's not really that uncommon but you know we don't know our place and if we hear from God we learn it a lot better

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really esteem ourselves a lot differently in ways that we don't but you know why don't we often hear more from God
well I'm going to throw out here the first is the separation from the fall and I mean and I'm going to say we're going to be
to theological answer it would be that in other words after the fall of humanity in the garden that you know we're separated from God

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and so there's a distance there there's a rift there but Jesus came to bridge that so why do we still not hear from God
well I'm going to say that a lot of people aren't aware a lot of people think that God just does nothing to say now I mean I don't understand why we can read about people hearing from God all the time in Scripture but now all of a sudden God don't have nothing to say I mean that doesn't make sense it doesn't fit and it doesn't make sense

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but I'm going to say the bigger sense we don't want to hear from it we just don't want to and I mean that's you know maybe kind of putting a kind of playing but we don't want to hear from God we don't want to hear God tell us we can do something or we should do something or do we don't want to do something and I said something a couple years back it was in regards to specific situation and I did put it on Facebook where I said that you know sometimes we need to just admit we don't hear from God and we miss God because we don't want to hear it

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we really don't want to deal with us because I'm going to tell you a lot of times God might talk about the situation
but a lot of the time God is talking to us about us we want God to fix everybody else we want God to make our situations different but God's going to talk to us about us it's like and I say all the time I don't know why I got to hear God all the time talking to me about everything and I got I just don't seem to hear anything and I guess

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well we're just not really listening denial is a real thing they say what are they saying it's more than a river in Egypt
so let's say that it admits about hearing from God if the slide feels like changing
okay only an elite few can hear from God nope I feel like I want to do one of those TikTok videos where they go nope and they point to the different things

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okay so only elite few can hear from God nope and the apocrypha proves that so for people who don't know what the apocrypha is it's basically the non canonical writings that are from biblical times that surround biblical things
some apocrypha are weird some apocrypha are really really quite good I mean you know some of them are great some of them I think we just don't really take the time to understand

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and why I say that they prove that more people hear from God than not is because if people were hearing from God outside of those 66 books that means that people that we don't know who they were in those 66 books are hearing from God
or 72 or 81 or whatever your canon is however many books your canon has it's really really there that more people heard from God than we might have been made to think

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and I would say that the ancients had a certain spiritual understanding of perception that they had a certain awareness of the spiritual realm that we don't often because of the animism that was involved in no basically kind of hearing from God in a lot of different ways
and so what I would say is that it really does prove that people were aware of God's presence and did give a lot of thought to it in a lot of different angles in biblical times

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and so that tells us that more than just a few people heard from God but it really wasn't a limited thing people might not understand it they may not be able to narrate it yes Chuck
illiteracy was a literacy back then and so they just didn't write that
Fair and actually I was going to talk about that in a little few more slides about the literacy issue but you just brought it up again they might have heard from God and didn't have a way to write it down

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and they might have told people and people blew them off or they might not have really had the understanding of it so it's not that people didn't hear from God they might not have necessarily had the means to narrate it very very good point very very fair point
okay God always shows up in or speaks in big grand ways that others notice nope
everyone automatically recognizes or understands when they have heard from God nope everyone always hears a literal voice when God speaks to them nope

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nope nope nope nope there's only one way to hear from God nope God doesn't speak to people anymore nope God doesn't always God always speaks does constantly all the time now that's also a note if there are periods where it's rare like it says it was rare to hear from God in Samuel's day then there must be times when God doesn't have anything to say and what I'm going to say is it's not passive aggressive

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we often associate silence with anger or with being passive aggressive if God doesn't have anything to say maybe God just doesn't have anything to say at the moment it doesn't mean God is not a chatterbox he's not a wind of dull you know he doesn't have to have something to say all the time
and so we also have to learn I'm going to say this as a principle to be comfortable with the silence of God and I think that as a concept we are not we are just not comfortable with it but we have to learn how to be more comfortable with that okay so every word that a spiritual person gives to us is from God

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nope God can only speak to us through one means throughout our lives in other words the way that we hear from God never changes nope I can tell you for a fact that that's not true at all
everyone who hears from God wants to hear from God oh no everyone receives what God speaks to them nope and how God and what God speaks to us always makes sense to others and that's also a note and we will talk about that

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so let's answer a couple of questions Can a non believer hear from God now this is actually a very very controversial question and my answer is yes because I believe that God can speak your send a message to anybody that he desires it and he's God he's not bound by the understanding that we have here
and he can also use anybody that he desires to convey a message yes Chuck that's exactly the example that I use in here is that even if they don't understand what's going on or how they're being used in the example I give us that when God called Abraham he wasn't a believer okay he wasn't a Jew

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everybody says oh he was not a Jew he was not a question he was not a Muslim he was a pagan and he was somebody who was just doing his little pagan thing and God revealed himself and he accepted the revelations so no it's not just a matter of that God only speaks to believers that is absolutely not true yes
and the donkey guy yep pretty much and so this is different from somebody being a prophet or holding a prophetic office or even having a word of knowledge or a word of wisdom or spiritual gift I might say it could be unredeemed in certain individuals because we know the gifts and call of God are without repentance so in other words we can have a gift that's unredeemed

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and we've talked a lot about unredeemed gifts I am not going to on camera discuss those unredeemed gifts that we've been talking about of late because I don't really think that our people would get it but what I am going to say is that there are a lot of ways that we can have somebody can be a teacher and could be a really great teacher and it be an unredeemed gift they could be a teacher at school

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and that does not necessarily mean that they're a believer and so in other words they might have the ability to do something but it could insert instances beyond redeemed so they could be teaching tarot
or they could be teaching occultism or they could be teaching something like that it's unredeemed I'm even going to say that I have seen examples of Christians doing things that I feel are unredeemed but that is a whole other point

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like yesterday when we were in KFC and that man and how he handled himself this man came in and he had to introduce himself by saying that he's telling everybody about Jesus was not racist
which kind of pretty much means it was if you've got to disclay it and he's going around to everybody talking about Jesus being their savior
and then he comes over to us and he's going y'know y'all be blessed and then this one came back with a comeback that we're not going to get at but I don't even think you're a Jew

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but it's basically the concept that might be unredeemed that needs some laying on his own deliverance because it's for a purpose he's not using it for the purpose it's for
and so many that's kind of how we could explain the redeemed unredeemed concept of gifts is that you've been using your spiritual gift for something something for

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and so that would kind of be the context there so hearing from God can often be an introduction to God or faith in the deeper way or in some of the instances
maybe you still know why God can reach someone and so another example is that the majority of Muslim converts if you listen to their stories
they convert to Christianity because they have a vision of Jesus

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that's why I say maybe we need to explain some of these spiritual things a little bit more and stop being in everyone's faith all the time
with doctrine because in other words they have some sort of a vision or revelation of Jesus directly and that that's why they convert so they're getting a message from God
it's just not coming through TBN or the radio or some really annoying person in a t-shirt about something about wisdom trying to evangelize to everybody in the KFC on Ablemarle

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there's a lot of different contexts to things that we often kind of miss so yeah I believe that God can speak to a non-believer
because maybe that's how they're going to become a believer everything doesn't have to involve us
sometimes they get that idea you know like we think that everything that is God oriented it needs to involve us or it doesn't count

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no he don't need us to do nothing okay so what is the difference between a believer and a non-believer than hearing from God
okay I think this is also a very very fair question so what I would say the difference is relationship and understanding
and I think that that's an important difference alright so in other words in the new covenant word told that God writes the law on our hearts

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so in I'm sorry okay anyway I guess I'm into the game so in other words if we're believers the spirit is going to direct us
okay it's not going to be so much about here's the 613 commandments which is how many there are in the Torah

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it's not about the 613 commandments where we have to watch if we eat bacon and we have to make sure that we don't mix our fabrics
since I'm probably up here in nothing that's not polyester today and we have to do X Y and Z
it's very much about us being guided by God to know what to do and so that's what I'm going to call we're going to talk about that

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a little bit later the inward witness or the Quakers call it the inner light that in other words I'm going to call it conviction
and the reason I'm calling it conviction is because I think we need to take the stigma out of that word
when we talk about conviction it means we did something wrong and we feel bad about it
but conviction can also be the thing that leads us to do something right

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so we can be convicted God can give us a conviction to do something and it can be so that we avoid the wrong thing
it can be so that we avoid something that we really shouldn't do or somewhere that we shouldn't do it
so in other words it may not always be something that makes sense to other people

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it may not always be something that is really relatable to where somebody else might be because it might be different
and so in this main if we know about God and we have a relationship with him it makes it that much easier for us to recognize when God is speaking to us
to know it to understand it to be what we needed to be and to figure out what it all means because like I said it doesn't always make sense at the time

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so my example is that when God gave Daniel the vision of the four BC it didn't make sense
it makes sense to us now because we understand that it's illustration of powers and kingdoms
but when he got that nobody knew what it meant nobody understood it nobody really could relate to it and that thing
and so with understanding Daniel found revelation about what he was seeking

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and having a relationship with God as a believer in Christ makes a huge difference in understanding what God is saying to us
so it's easier to understand it's easier to discern and it's like I tell people a lot of the times the messages that God gives are not very satisfying
and so you know I mean like I'll give you an example of that was that I was seeking God about something and I was going I don't know what to do

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and I'm working on editing I was working on editing one night and I was working and like sometimes I turn on preachers to kind of see what they're talking about or what's going on
and through the message I got a word through that now it wasn't somebody I would ordinarily look to to give me a word or a message
but the answer I sought came through it and it was totally not satisfying it was totally not here is what you do it was oh okay

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and it gave me the insight to recognize more of me and stuff so in what ways does God speak to us
so let's talk about these different ways so we're going to start with audibly and it's when someone here's God's voice in a literal sense
that's likely difficult to describe how it happens many describe it as a quiet voice or maybe something that kind of arises in a situation

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and so I give the example of Saul before he became Paul which that really wasn't a very small story but you know anyway it was an example of an audible voice
so there's a couple of things we're going to talk about with this so first of all when people tell me that they hear audibly from God we have to be careful now I don't believe it's impossible I believe it's totally possible

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I don't discount it I've experienced it myself but we also have instances where we deal with mental illness in the world that we live in
and mental health and there are millions of people who struggle with mental health in the world today who are coming at us in our inboxes and we don't always necessarily know what's God from what somebody hearing some other voice

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so and I'm going to tell you that it's different from God telling us go over there and talk to that person or go over there and give somebody something
or go and prepare to go be in ministry it's different than that when people deal with mental illness and I'm going to give you an example there were a few years back there was a woman on social media who was in the middle of a bipolar episode

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and she was diagnosed bipolar and she was off her meds and I watched her bipolar episode with what she said she was hearing from God as she was going through it
and I'm actually very very grateful to say that I've seen that because she moved at a pace the hearing and what she was hearing moved at a pace that was very very different than an ordinary pace for more hearing from God

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so she was literally she was waiting the first story was that she was waiting for some man who was married to another woman to come and be with her and said that God told her that this was going to be her husband
and he was married to somebody else and she's moving at this pace and so she's literally listening to this voice that literally everything is telling her doesn't make sense it was very very discordant

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he was coming for her her phone fell in some water God told her to put it in the rice then five minutes later God told her to take it out because when this guy came he was going to buy her a new phone
then a few minutes later God told her to put the phone in the rice again and then he told her to do this or he told her to do that or I mean it moved at this pace it was almost impossible to keep up with her

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I mean because it was like do this do that do this do that do this do that do this do that and so that is a context of hearing voices that is not in alignment with hearing from God
and we need to be careful when people tell us we have to do something this second or we have to do it this minute or we have to do it this urgently or it's this or it's that or we have to do this or we have to do that

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they're not moving at a pace that's hitting with God and I've been telling God to move you all this and I mean you know sometimes God will tell me to do a thing but I don't feel like I have to drop everything like put the phone in the rice and then taking it out
and then she was told to put it in the bag and then she's doing this and then she's doing that and I'm talking and I'm saying to her what's making you think that God is telling you this and I mean you know what I tried to do it

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I'm also going to say once again we don't mention names I had a leader who was bipolar who claimed to be healed from it who wasn't and I used to watch her cycle
I used to watch her over and over and over again cycle with what she felt God was telling her and the responses to it and then if something didn't work out that way then we had the law
and then she'd be back up again and then we're doing it again and again and again and again and you know people who have bipolar disorder or manic depressive or whatever they're calling it now are subject to very very strong emotions

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and that's the way I like to kind of describe it is that you have very very intense highs you have very very intense lows
and there's nothing wrong with that I think that that it's really important to say that there is nothing wrong with it there is something wrong though if in that you're saying that God holds you to do something and it's not God
and in that vein and that's why we need medication you know just as much as we say God gives us revelation God gives us doctors God gives us lithium

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lithium is a natural element that they give for bipolar they also do give other drugs
all these things there's nothing wrong with taking these things to stabilize you when I often say if you're thinking that being on meds is the enemy you need to think the opposite way that maybe being on your med is going to stabilize you so you can't have some God
because when you are like this you can't and so we have to be careful with that I'm also going to say that you need to be aware of people who say they hear from God in any sense whether it's audibly or any other way

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and it don't ever seem to be about them if God's not dealing with you about you then something's wrong because none of us are perfect and we should be being dealt with with God
and I don't mean in a way where God's banging us over the head or you know I heard a preacher once he used to say this and he says I didn't do what I was supposed to do and daddy beat me and he meant God

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I don't believe we have to do that that is not the way that I think that we need to approach God's godly discipline yes Nick
there's also that's the talk where the guy was running away and it's like a whole new spirit coming to me and he said the client has to finish
yes no that's it is to the dance of the sugar plum fairy that me on my way to do something wrong the holy ghost coming to give me yeah it's that context

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and so I also think that's another thing another thing where we need to be careful so there was a woman that was a part of our ministry years ago she died from breast cancer quite a way back
and she lived in Arkansas and she went to some woman that she knew online actually the woman has more of a following than I did at the time that ended up it goes now

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but she went and told her that she heard about a tornado warning on TV and she asked the woman to pray
the next thing we know there's a message online about how God showed her about strong storms including tornadoes coming to affect the United States

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so we also need to look on your face sometimes people claim that God told them things that God didn't tell them okay
and I mean I hate to be that but you know sometimes they're not hearing from God the thing from the TV God or they're hearing from people online giving them info
and they're making it look at and so we have to be careful with some of this I believe self-doubt can be a great thing in this instance

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and if we're really I mean we often really really know with with the right training when we've heard from God
but I've always said if we're really standing out of something I don't think a little self-doubt is a bad thing I think it can actually be a good thing
so another example are angelic encounters now angels have appeared throughout history as God's messengers and there's all kinds of wonderful wild videos now online about what they actually look like

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with all the eyes on them and you know that they don't look like these flowery things from earth but what I will say is that they're often not as dramatic as they might seem as scripture
they often appear as people with a couple of encounters I had they looked like human beings I was going to say that they often appear in human form okay
and I'm not going to get into all that yes like Lucy like Lucy oh I was going to say like Lucy I thought you meant somebody else okay like Lucy so

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but yeah so exactly the same type of concept now that may not necessarily do the concept everybody likes but yeah exactly that appears as a human being okay
okay now that's a good voice of God too okay so are you in good are you in God's hands so so nature God can speak through nature so in the ancient world whenever anything went wrong they had a

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location they had a flood they had things climate change because they did a climate change back then as well you know in a different form the first thing
everybody did was they sought God they sought prophets they often would have what do they call them sacred assemblies or convocation something to basically fast

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and pray and see what God was saying to them about the situation that they had because they were trying to discern what God was saying through natural circumstances
now we can take this the wrong way and you know you've got these people who say that you know God is speaking through nature and he's punishing everybody for abortion or gay marriage
which I think is funny that those are the only two things in the universe but I don't really believe that it's judgment it's speaking you know maybe we shouldn't have

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the houses pile while on top of each other like they are on landslide territory or maybe you know maybe it's not a message maybe it's not a message that we really want once again maybe it's not
the messages aren't deep maybe they're not real profound maybe they're not judgments

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sometimes maybe it's not a message at all but that in other words it's that is possible sometimes stuff just happens you know there's also the story that it says that you know Satan in the Bible is the
power of the air so in other words that could affect natural patterns too maybe it's nothing maybe it's something and it's all possible but that it is a way that God does speak through nature so the inner voice to witness of the spirit we talked about a little bit before

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and sometimes when people talk about it as an instinct as a knowing as something that they just kind of recognize and it's a direct guidance and I would say it's probably the most common
where people just understand stuff or where they know things and often for more of a personal guidance than a public one it's not for public revelations so what I mean by that is one of the reasons why we get in trouble with things like revelations or personal things that God reveals to people is that we try to make them doctrinal

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I don't have to believe that that dream you had where you ate pizza and you had a head like a cabbage man anything okay that is not necessary what I'm just I'm just no it's not
anyway I'm just you know I'm just taking my shoes off I'm just making you know this something that I don't have to necessarily do that you know I have had certain dreams or things that God revealed by dreams that were unusual maybe to people at the time and I might have said it and they would have said that wasn't God well I can tell you that it is God because I'm living it in different ways now

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and maybe the timing didn't seem right to people but maybe it was given in that time frame for a reason and it didn't mean that maybe I should go out and do the thing that I saw that there's a lot of understanding to this that we just don't do but I'm also going to say this is another example of caution we can make anything a divine mission out of our own feelings out of our own anger our own bitterness I have watched people do it and I say divine mission in air quotes

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because it's not really the right thing that we're supposed to do or what God tells us to do you know it's it's something we can do anything and we can make anything God if we try hard enough that's why God tells us to seek out ourselves first because before we step out with stuff we need to make sure that we are doing the right thing in that vein and so we have to be careful with that like I say if you got these people who think that everything that they do is God and they don't ever God never challenges them they're not here.

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They're just not so dreams signs and visions so a dream can be from God or just like you were talking about the natural thing a dream cannot be from God a dream can just be a dream I dreamed a dream in times gone by okay you know what it can be any number of circumstances and the difference is learning that is a discernment call if we have a dream and we're really not sure about it that's why we're supposed to bring it to people dream and type

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interpretation books are no because interpretations belong to God and the symbols and dream interpretation are often very specific to the person because they usually relate to something that's going on in their lives or something that kind of ties in there now visions the difference between a dream and a vision okay which I will explain here is that basically a vision you see something in the supernatural state basically

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it would kind of be like the concept of being comatose basically it's kind of like you're out of the body but you're still alive and you're still in it and a dream you're not awake so one thing you see when you're awake one thing you see when you're not awake and I've also had stuff that are flashes kind of like that stuff might flash or maybe you might have example of something where you have a sign and often signs are very unique to people because they are using something that's not really good.

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They are using something that's familiar to you or something that you would understand the best way that I can explain the signs thing is the concept of like people learn to watch the birds and so like for example seeing am I in your message again?
Okay, you know like they might have learned to watch the birds and so maybe seeing a certain bird and a certain thing to people now we can be superstitious with that as well that's why I'm saying that all of this stuff needs to be taken on a certain level of balance just because you see a vulture doesn't mean you're going to die just because you see a raven doesn't mean you're going to die just because you see an owl doesn't mean it's bad luck you know all of these different types of analogies and things of that nature don't necessarily mean anything.

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They mean them if you have an understanding along with that for that to be something that's relevant to you so like you said you needed I mean it's a it's kind of a benign example but like I'm saying these things are not always real deep so you said oh you needed something more for your counter top than just the situation that you have and I'm looking out of my stuff and I said hey you know I've had that train case up for a while I have had it by a bigger one because my eyeshadow palette didn't fit in it.

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Hey you want this yeah okay you're doing that whole home organization thing so we could say in a certain sense this is a sign that this is a sign you're doing the right thing got a supporting what you're doing in that vein.
Now maybe to somebody else I'm just giving you a make up case but you know what I'm saying is that it kind of things can go along in that vein or we can kind of understand it that way.

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I used to be when I had a lot of dreams at one point in time I don't have as many now I have from God in different ways now and there's nothing wrong with that that's just an example of things and times changing and maybe you know the way that that speaks the differences changes so prophecy we're not going to get into the whole of because that's a really long topic that we could just do a whole thing on.

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But basically it's a spiritual gift and it's also a ministry office by which someone basically speaks for God and it might be direct to a person there might be to a bigger world events might be to a national leader might be that it can be small it can be big it does depend on the situation but we pretty much understand prophecy is God speaking yes.

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Absolutely so you did a whole Sunday school on prophecy what was it called.
Okay. Nik did a thing on prophecy it's up on the YouTube channel and so definitely go check that out Mister Nick did that for us and so that would be a great a great segue or great way to kind of look more of that.

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All right so a word of wisdom or a word of knowledge I'm going to call is just like we talked about doing this basically for the Sunday school.
What a wisdom word of knowledge is it like a specific type of prophecy is the way I would kind of describe it and it's an example that gifts can come directly from God to us or through someone else as a word and do season so a word reflects advice caution inside and a word of knowledge provides divine information.

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So it's like I say a word of a word of wisdom would be you need to do this a word of knowledge would be you ain't doing it.
A prophecy is this is what's going to happen and it's happening either way so that's that's kind of the way we we would narrow that down and I've had times where I got one myself and I guess I interpreted it myself to and I I told the story I was working with a minister back in 2013.

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I hadn't heard from him in a while and I'm standing in my apartment in Cary before I moved to the other apartment in Cary which doesn't help anybody out but I basically lived I lived over 55 which anybody who lives in that area knows where I'm talking about underneath Durham and I'm standing in the doorway of my office literally I'm going to walk at the doorway and go I haven't heard from Bishop so and so in a while I wonder where he is and then I said he's in jail and then I went where did that come from and to be quite honest with y'all that's exactly where he was.

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So like you call it my little poltergeist gift over here that's almost kind of scary that's how accurate that was is that's exactly where it turned out that he was and before the next year would be out he would go back for the same thing so that's where we can get God can just give us a word all by ourselves.
All right, why is council would be inside a direction in a situation that God can kind of speak through that and we have difficulties now another one that's really really careful because you can just have a difficulty because you have a difficulty it does not necessarily mean that God is in it but I'm also going to use the example of the tiktok that you sent maybe the other day with the man who said that there's a difference between saying it's a part of God's plan and God has a plan for the man.

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That has a plan for this in other words that God can take the situation and can move through you to bring something about it out about it and saying oh everything is God's will there's a difference between those two narratives and I would say that difficult these are that way sometimes when we have a situation where nothing works we need to draw deeper to God who can guide us and so it doesn't mean God is going to get you out of it.

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It basically means that God can speak through circumstances if we keep running up against something we need to figure out either how we need to deal with it or how we need to resolve it and so that would be the way that we would kind of look at that.
Speaking of power I threw in here because I kind of thought about it a lot I've been thinking about it a lot lately in particular because like I said I've been doing a whole thing on Saul Old Testament Saul and I really would like to do something on it inside and thinking a lot about it and I've been reading about his relationship with Samuel.

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Speaking to power is basically what we would call a spiritual advisor to power so let's say you've got a government leader which is most often the example it doesn't just have to be a government leader it would also be kind of the context of covering or of that nature in the spiritual sense of life.

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So, as a simple, Julie is technically my voice to power but actually anybody in my life can be my voice to power in that way in other words basically kind of like on that level and I'm also Julie's which is a little bit of a unique situation in that vein but we kind of do it for each other because nobody else can stand us.
And when we look at it over that vein it's kind of like the idea of a personal personal personal spiritual leader in order to guide people so in ancient times they literally did not make moves without talking to profits first and let's an even military so like it talks about Deborah going out to fight with Barack he didn't want to make any moves unless she was guiding him or you know like for example they would go and seek out somebody like they would go see that Samuel should we do.

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That Samuel should we do this battle should we even bother and it would be yeah you sure you should and that's actually seen in other cultures in the ancient world there was I don't remember which culture it was but it was one of one of Israel's neighbors where there's actually a steely that talks about their God turning them over to the God of the Israelites because they didn't place him so it's a thing it was like an actual understanding and so they would seek things out.

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And so it's not a random arrangement there's a relationship there so i'm going to use this example and probably going to get messages about it but that's fine so before we had the inauguration this year around the time of the inauguration we all remember the service that they had and it was the woman who was the bishop of the episcopal cathedral i'm not going to get into the ins and outs of what she said it and say but what I am going to say she didn't handle it right and I know that there's a lot of people that would not agree with me about that.

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I'm not talking about her content but she was trying to speak to power when she did not have a relationship with the individuals involved and in other words they just took what she said as insulting or as threatening or as challenging or as an assault rather than her knowing how to talk to him because they have that relationship and they do it so Nathan knew how to talk to David.

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Samuel knew how to talk to Saul yes.
Chuck.
Moses knew how to talk to Pharaoh I didn't even think about that or related somehow they probably were related by the adoption so he knew how to talk to him exactly and so he was the perfect choice Aaron wasn't the right choice it was Moses for that reason and so there you go there's relationship involved or a had an Elijah a had new Elijah okay.

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There was a relationship that they had there and so the word was to be expected to be accepted because of that relationship all she did in in Washington was talk and that's about all that happened and it stirred up a lot of stuff that you got a lot of attention but you know she got her 15 minutes of fame but really didn't change anything because there was no relationship there yes.

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So the duration of the relationship matter because I'm taking up was it fill up in the unit no you wouldn't think really the relationship the relationship what matter no quality the quality yeah just so people can understand yeah no it doesn't have to be for a long period of time it can be for an appointed period and it may not even be for that long like fill up in the unit it doesn't say that they went and had lunch later I mean you know but that's another example of speaking to power because he was in the east the only way to get the money.

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It was in the Ethiopian government and so that would be another example of it yeah and like you say doesn't have to be for that long of a period of time but the point is that it's there and when you don't have it there what I will say that particular example I gave with the government and the reason why I'm using this is not to be political but is to point out an illustration there are people that fill this speaking to power role in that administration that aren't doing their job because they have an investment in this.

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And so that's not good when you're there and you're there for that purpose and you don't do your job that's bad and so that's an example of it and that this is why nobody randomly listens to things on Facebook okay I am not going to be told to speak to power and tag the president of the United States or of Canada or of New Zealand or wherever else they have a president and give them a word and they accept that from me okay that's not how this works.

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And whenever people start with you know God is speaking your name and rooms you haven't even been in I believe that can be possible I'm not saying it's not but you ain't going to get in that room without some kind of relationship with somebody it's not going to have where they're just going to call you up what people do when you don't have a relationship is they come and they ask you for money it's very very annoying but that's a whole other issue there so it's not random and that that's the thing that we're missing is not a problem.

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The thing that we're missing is we were going to speak to power online and it's they're going to get the messaging that's going to do it it's just like a sit down someone that's not going to work.
Okay God speaks through Jesus Christ specifically there's a verse about that in Hebrews that in past God spoke of through the prophets God still speaks through prophets but in other words that's a reference to is that Jesus Christ was a fulfillment of prophecy.

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So speaks through Jesus because that affirms through is God can speak through whoever or whatever he feels like it and as it says there in Job God does speak now one way now another don't know when necessarily proceeds it and so God can do whatever God feels like so you know and then I now another one where we have to be careful when I talk about desire I don't mean in a salacious way and I'm in next message again on and I but I'm not going to do that.

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But God speaks through the things that we often he puts on our heart that we really want to do it's got to be God that I want to do this because why would I okay you know I mean it's like at this point why would I but you know in other words there things that kind of shape the course of our futures.
So when we desire to do the things of God like it says the light yourself in the Lord and he will give you the desires of your heart he's not talking about that you want to her she bar he's talking about he's not talking about that you want to get with that guy down the street he's talking about the things that we earnestly want to do that like when we seek the will of God and we find the will of God that's there and so it's like a synergy I guess would be the way to describe it in that thing.

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And then the last way is scripture now I want to make this really clear let's not do the scripture argument where it's not the only way that God speaks it's not the only way that people understood him in history and we don't have the Bible now so we can't have the things in the Bible you know that Bible argument that people say we can't hear from God now because we have the Bible so even though people hurt from God in the Bible and we learn from the Bible that we can hear from God we can't hear from God.

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We can't hear from God because we have the Bible I mean you know it's that circular Bible logic that you hear in a lot of evangelical circles it's like okay whatever it's so confusing I'm not going to even have the conversation with you but going back to your literacy issue the reality is that the majority people in history were not literate and we're not able to sit down and read the Bible so that cannot be the only way that God speaks because people today are still not literate not to mention the number of people who are literate but might as well not be because I'm not going to read the Bible.

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Not just will not be because they don't really seem to have any reading comprehension so you can sit down with the Bible and you can be brilliant you can be a rocket scientist you can be the smartest person in the room and still not understand the Bible because you have no context of it.
So we're not going to do that a lead is something where you have to be able to be literate to read and get something from God from the Bible because you could still get something from the Bible and not know what it is or you could get something so off the mark.

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People I've seen it where people do it and they say that they try to seem versus together and they don't make sense and they take out half of them so this would be an example you take the verse where you know it says you just hang
himself and then you've got the dot that that that then you put the verse go and do likewise okay where people but that's a that's a very extreme example but where we just start merging things together in the Bible that don't make sense anymore.

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Okay, you okay Chuck we need context yes we need context okay so just got to speak to us in the same way and my answer to that is no so in the Bible they had this thing called the school of the
prophets and this we're actually working on one for us so the school of the prophets was between 30 and 33 years long okay 30 and 33 years long and we can't get people to sit down and do

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seminary for three and a half okay so the purpose of the length was because the way that people hear from God changes as you get older as your priorities change as your life is different and they needed to be able to hear from God in all those different
situations in all those different circumstances and seasons of life and so an example the Apostle Paul had a vision of Jesus it is

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conversion but later in the New Testament he spoke about praying in tongues more than others and the importance of prophecy so in other words he didn't have that experience with Jesus not
going to morph the horse every day of his life he had to learn different ways to do it and as we mature and debate God sometimes deals with us
differently and there's nothing wrong with hearing from God in different ways you know like I said I used to have dreams all done I'll have that many now now the ones I have I

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typically do pay attention to or some of them are kind of weird like you know the day I had the dream I was an armpit model I don't really think that was a message from God in fact I know that was an
a message from God so or that I had a dream that Oprah left Steadman to marry a janitor I don't really think that was prophetic okay now people when I put it online to be funny likes that people took it seriously they went I think that you hear from God in that

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open really better pay attention that once again relationship open I know I exist okay and I don't really think that over I cared about my dream sometimes things are just things and that's where we learn as we go along to discern different
things and I don't really care about that. So I think that's the only thing that I can do is talk about it so public versus private revelation so one is for us versus being for everyone okay so not everything that God speaks to us is doctrine or something that's going to apply the board to everybody okay sometimes there are words vision or insights that we get from God that are very specific to our situation are calling what we're living with right now what we might be dealing with and it's not now

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calling with and it's not necessarily for everybody else okay and so an example the Apostle Paul was instructed in a dream to go to Macedonia but God is not telling everyone in the church to go to Macedonia
God is not spoke to me about going to Macedonia has he spoke to you about going to Macedonia no didn't think so okay so learning what's for us personally as guidance and direction versus what might be doctrinal

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goes a very very long way in understanding how to apply divine guidance and word so summary how can I better learn to hear from God since this was definitely not a how to it was a God message which means it really didn't give you a whole lot of direction directional insight and specific things but the general just is there so how do we do this so the first thing I think we need to do is acknowledge it's possible

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okay and I think that I don't understand how we can read about God and then think stuff can't happen now because we have the Bible we read about all this stuff like I said it's the Bible argument you know that that circular logic I don't know why we think it's so impossible now
and it might not come about for you in the same way that it happens for your super spiritual sounding friend who you know tells everyone about their long-winded experiences on Facebook or who you know gets on Facebook and sweats and spits and ruins their prayer shawl and you know prays to God to keep their lights on and then they're not on for a few days because they're in the dark

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you know so I'm thinking of you know the thing when he to buy them said which you know there's a difference between love and Jesus and being in love with Jesus you can love Jesus and believe him to keep your lights on loving being in love with Jesus means you'll sit and praise him in the dark
and I think that that's a maturity thing you know I think that we should learn more about God and learn about the different ways he's spoken through history and praying for and getting around people who have the gift of discernment who can help you better understand hearing from God

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and understanding that not everything that God has to say to you is going to be real deeper super spiritual or futuristic or deeply moving some of it sometimes is just practical sometimes it's just boring
sometimes God speaking through that circumstance you just shouldn't do that right that maybe that's not the right thing to do

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when you cross face you know we go do a bad said we could go do a baptism you know you still do you think so the next thing I'm going to say is you start praying so hearing from God is part of prayer because if we're having a conversation with God we need to hear from him on the other hand

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I don't like when people are demanding with God I don't like when people act like prayers you go with your long list that God should just entertain okay I don't that that's not right I wouldn't do that if he did that to me I would go and say you go sit out somewhere with that list to yours
so you go start doing some of it I mean you know we don't do we don't do that if anybody came to me like that I don't tolerate that type of thing it doesn't have to be formal it doesn't have to be scripted I know we think we need to be eloquent and sound like some of these old timers on the radio and that you know we need to be real profound

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we don't have to sound like Morgan Freeman early in the sin or who was the other one they all stay guy I don't know what his name is I'll stay guy you know
do we have to sound like Jake from the state for we don't have to sound like that we don't need a book to do but we do need to talk to God and talk to God ask God to reveal himself

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okay to speak about to you and make communication a priority with God and spend time specifically doing it but don't forget that we can talk to God all day
you know you can talk to God while you're working you can talk to God while you're watching anime you can talk to God well God kind of talks to you while you're watching anime

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you know and I think of the the mean with the brain you know where it says we're going to bed now are you going to bed now shut up we're going to sleep and then it tells you something and you lay awake all night you're like I'm watching anime now God goes oh okay what have you thought about this and you're like so
okay and then I say start listening because we can miss God when we don't necessarily like the message or what it might cost us to do it and if we're anticipating God to show up in a specific way and then he speaks in different ways he's eaten this God

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so if you're waiting for God to come in the fire like the Elijah story or you're waiting for God to come in the thunder or you're waiting for God to come in the wind yes
that's not the answer to this very fair they are ordinary carbon to do that made you deal with you they didn't want to deal with them they wanted the Romans and isn't it funny it's the same every single time okay God my problem is everybody else know your problems you have a great day I love you you know

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I love you have a great day you know it's definitely not you know God fixed this well I'm not the problem you know and you know God says that that's not the problem and you go what God it's just me and this problem so who is it then

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so we need to start doing so I say that we follow the projects the leading that God puts on our heart to do to help us find God in whatever it is that we're doing and remember that that can be ordinary I'm thinking about your dude brother Lawrence you know it can be just as much as God tell you to go wash your dishes or God telling you to go clean your car out or God telling you to go to the car wash or God saying go make dinner or as it is God tell me go write the book or go work

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book or go work on your patheos column that I put off for four days or you know go do some of
these other things, it's not necessarily always something deep and super spiritual, like go to
Tibet and hand out bibles, I mean that's not really necessarily what the average person is going
to do in their lifetime. So remember that obedience is better than sacrifice, so what that means

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is that it's better to do what God told you to do from the beginning, then it is to have to go
back and make the offering to repent for it. You know people often say it's easier to ask for
forgiveness than it is to ask for permission, but you know it's also a lot better to just do what

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you're supposed to do than have to go back and undo with thing. So if you get involved with other
believers and get serious about learning what God has to say to you and like I say it's probably
most slightly not gonna a lot of the time be what we often hope it's gonna be or think it's gonna be
you know I'm thinking about it in some of the songs that they talk about you know God is as much

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God on the mountain as God is when we're not on the mountain top and our spiritual lives are not
going to be endless mountain top the experiences with God, they're just not gonna be, but they're
gonna be very ordinary and they're going to be finding God in the ordinary and I think that that's
a really powerful place to hear from God and so in this I hope that our takeaway is that we can hear

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from God but that it does not always necessarily look like what we want or hope and in that vein we
need to be more open to embracing the differences and learning to hear from God in different ways as
we go through stuff. Thank you for joining us on Kingdom Now. I pray that it is proven to be a

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blessing in your life offering an on time word for you to learn more about this work ask a question
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Until next time this is Dr. Lee Ann Marino reminding you that the Kingdom of

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God is within you and that means the Kingdom is now.
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