October 31, 2024 • 26 mins
Picture opening your doors to strangers and finding your life unexpectedly enriched. That's the essence of Christian hospitality we explore while sharing heartfelt stories of community and connection. We speculate on the power of saying "yes"—how embracing possibilities can lead not only to personal adventures but also to transformative experiences for those around us. We challenge the default reaction of saying "no" and propose that rethinking this habit can uncover hidden blessings. Join us in questioning these knee-jerk responses, and discover how a simple shift in mindset could lead to profound personal and communal growth.
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
Happy Halloween to those who celebrate Halloween,
which which is, I think, most ofamerica.
Um, here you are, podcast.
We are going down the road, wehave lost our blooper tank, we
are in florida, we're gonna goto new orleans and, um, my name
is scott haw, His name is AndrewGare.
(00:45):
I'm going to try to say it veryspecifically, because every
time when the AI tries to writea synopsis of the episode, it
has a different thing T-Ray Gra.
I'm like, wow, this is.
It does my name well, everytime, but I must mispronounce
your name.
So, andrew Gare, and we are thekings of the road, follow us on
Facebook.
Follow us on facebook.
(01:05):
Like us on instagram.
Tell our people about thispodcast.
If you have a state to defend,let us know, because we're going
to start recording thoseepisodes soon.
So, hey, andrew hi.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Um, I was laughing because I just realized I don't
know if this is a new featureand it's a real shame that we
don't publish videos, because Irealized I was able to give you
a title.
Can you see that on your screen?
Speaker 1 (01:30):
I thought you were laughing because of my For those
who Celebrate line withHalloween.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Well, that was funny as well.
I thought of the last section.
I'm like that's a good one forthose who celebrate Halloween.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Which I think is probably the most universally
celebrated holiday, at least inAmerica.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Well, that's interesting.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
You only got the Jehovah's Witnesses probably.
Who don't?
I would assume they don'tcelebrate anything.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Yeah, it's a non-religious holiday.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
It's probably something people move into
America and think, yes, well,maybe Thanksgiving too.
Thanksgiving might be Christmasand Easter, yom Kippur, ramadan
, but christmas and easter, uh,don't pour ramadan.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
I don't know.
I'm gonna say somethingcontroversial here.
Oh, I love it.
Are we hold on?
Are we going?
Oh well, I don't know if we'llbe I know, no go ahead, no go
ahead yeah, so I learned that wedo not celebrate Columbus Day
anymore.
It's.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Indigenous People Day .
Speaker 2 (02:28):
It's now Indigenous People Day, yes, and something
went home with the kids, or itwas like one of my daughters has
to do these fluencies where youread a passage and so she's
reading this passage and I thinkMary was reading it with her
and I was just in the room and Iwas overhearing it and I
started hearing, basically, myseven-year-old start to say some
(02:50):
really nasty things aboutChristopher Columbus.
I was like what?
And I read this thing and it'slike Christopher Columbus was
the worst person in the worldand he enslaved people and stole
all their money and land andkilled them and burned their
village.
I was like that is verydifferent from what I learned.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Yes, well, but I think it's accurate it might I
think it probably is the problem.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
But now I'm wondering but now I'm wondering like
think, what's going to happen tothanksgiving?
Like we got to be coming forthanksgiving next, right I think
, you know, I don't think so.
I think that there's adifferent level of um I think,
thanksgiving I don't think theindians fared well in the long
haul, did they?
Speaker 1 (03:32):
oh, but I think that that initial, like I think the
landing, oh, but I I have, um, Iread the book the killers of
the flower moon, or whateverwhich is it was a movie then
later.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Oh my gosh, I watched that movie on an airplane it
was so boring, but it was a verylong flight, so I was like well
, I got three hours.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Let's do this.
The book had more informationbut it really left me being like
, oh, we were horrible.
We were horrible to the NativeAmericans and I was like
actively horrible for a longtime.
And even when they, we gavethem reservations but then we
like found that they had oil onthere.
We're like, ah well, you don'treally get the.
(04:15):
You know what I mean.
It was just like, yeah, oh mygosh.
And to we stayed.
We veered pretty clear of mostcontroversial things on this
podcast.
But yesterday I was doingIsaac's haircut and there was on
the hair cutter you knowstorage thing where they have
all the clippers and all she hada thing that made me.
I couldn't see it right atfirst, but it made me start
(04:36):
thinking.
I was like, whoo, there's a lotof thoughts there, so I'll just
say it and then we won't diveinto it.
But I was like oh, oh, my goshthere needs to be some thinking
about this.
It says, boy, there can be noillegal, there can be no
illegals on stolen land, and Iwas like, oh, oh, that's a,
that's a lot of buttons.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
I I mean, is there any land in the world that is?
Speaker 1 (05:06):
not stolen.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
The answer is probably yes, but like I mean,
since people got here, theystarted.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
People don't really want the North.
Pole yeah, yeah, yeah, I meanlike there's oil underneath it,
then we're going to steal it.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
I'm just saying if we got to peel the onion, we got
to peel it to the core right.
I don't know.
Well, the Torvitz core right, Idon't know.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Well, the core of it's I mean the core of I I
wasn't human the core of it'ssin is like you did it.
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
We just take the stuff and wewant it and then we justify it.
There was this little brilliant, wonderful woman, so Southern
at Birmingham.
Her name was Rowena Wells.
She's passed away now, but herline would be and it'd come up
(05:42):
all the time in Bible studies.
She'd say the human mind canjustify anything the human heart
desires.
It's like, yeah, it's tough andshe's right there, it is yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Yeah, I don't think, I don't think any.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
you know, we all want to be yeah, we all want to be
justified and we all want tofeel like our hands are clean
but come like, uh, if we gotreally honest, which that's why
a lot of people don't want toget really honest, because
that's why we do confession atthe first part of our church
service every week like, heyguys, let's talk about how much
you will suck.
(06:18):
I saw this.
I saw this one thing that saidyou can't offend me.
I've said worse things aboutmyself and hymns at church,
those old hymns they are prettygood.
Okay, so we are in Tallahasseeand we are hanging out with this
incredible family and you saw,I think you posted the pictures
(06:41):
of us in the jiu-jitsu with them.
I did, I did.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Pool party?
Ain't no, I did Pool party.
Ain't no party like a poolparty, especially on the south
eastern capital of Florida.
Ain't no party.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
That's why I didn't write the music.
That's what I did, yeah.
So we said that we were goingto talk a little bit more about
this family and maybe we can.
(07:26):
You know, scott said that weshould reach out to them and I
think we'll probably try to dothat, but just could not say
enough nice things about thesepeople.
They were also musicians andthey were sort of a family
bluegrass band and I want to sayone of the boys who was
probably 12-ish, probably, Ithink he played banjo.
I think the older son playedguitar.
(07:46):
Did the daughter also playguitar?
Did she play piano?
And I think the dad playedmandolin and they were just like
yeah, we're gonna play somemusic, and it was like oh my
gosh.
Someone played that mouth thingoh, the jaw harp, that's what
it's like right, it's a jaw harpright.
Oh, what are you gonna call it?
(08:07):
I shouldn't have said it.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
I don't I that's good , because I was like I know it's
not what I think it is in myhead.
I have one changed from the jawand that's what I've always
heard it called and the jew harp.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Yes, yes, yes, right.
So that's probably a, but Ithink you're right, probably a
derogatory term, but I can callupon some of my own jewish
heritage, so it's okay that Isaid it out loud, right, yeah, I
but I was.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
But as soon as you said that, I put that in my head
.
I'm like, oh, we can't say that.
But then it is, that's what itis.
It's a jaw harp.
I think it's a jaw harp.
I think it's a jaw harp.
So cool, it's a fun instrument.
It does so much.
I think.
The thing again, this isprobably, if you've listened to
us this whole time, we're okay,I just looked it up, okay, so.
(08:54):
Yeah, we're fine, okay, good.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
So the Jew's harp, also known as jaw harp, Jew's
harp or mouth harp, is alamellophone instrument
consisting of a flexible metalor bamboo tongue reed.
Oh, that's all.
I got to click the link to readmore.
(09:18):
Click the AI link, Bear with me.
Okay.
No, this is straight Wikipedia,so we know it's true.
Um flexible metal or bambootongue or reed attached to a
frame.
Despite the colloquial, name andyou just most likely originated
in syria specifically in yeah,you put it between your teeth
(09:40):
and then you kind of yeah, flickit with your thumb, I think,
and maybe make some noise withyour mouth.
Yeah is that cool, so yeaharound the mountain.
Yeah, well, that's good that'sno relation to the jewish people
what?
Speaker 1 (09:54):
so it's something happened with the jaw.
It was jaw hot first, is myguess yeah, maybe it's a
translation thing that happenedor something.
I think this family epitomizesthe trip in so many ways.
(10:16):
Who we never would have known,who we were truly related to in
Christ, who opened their home,opened their life to us.
It felt like we melded prettyseamlessly in.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
This was what we started with when we were
leaving.
What if we know people acrossthe country who we could stay
with?
Speaker 1 (11:03):
And then Clark, that we went out to dinner with or
lunch with and I'm thinking ofPastor Paul and Renee in Iowa.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
And I'm thinking of the Bushes in Michigan and Moira
, and Tish, Trish, Tish and wellmaybe they're an exception, not
Moira.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
She was great no but exactly In Boston and like all
the people, like when you reallystring it together you start to
see this family tree almost getbuilt.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
We should do that.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
That would be a cool thing and it's Christ.
That is what it comes down tois we thought, what if we had
family across the country?
And we didn't?
But we knew that there werepeople who we shared
commonalities with, and thecommonality is truly um
welcoming your neighbor eventhough you don't know your
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neighbor.
And so it comes down to us, butthey knew us in Christ and that
was it.
And I think that this is thepart that has changed, probably
both of us to say yes, okay, Idon't know you or don't know the
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thing, but I'll trust that inChrist, this is the right thing
to do.
This is the right thing totrust in you, or to help you, or
to open our home or open mylife to you because of our
commonality of Jesus.
And I mean that, to me, is oneof the hugest things that we put
into action and I think wefound to be true.
Yes, right, I mean we found itto be true.
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It was like, oh, here they are,living this life, opening their
home to us, having us, wehelped them, we helped put the
drywall up, we got to be withthem and we helped them with all
the things around the house.
It was just we have time.
We want to be with you andlet's see what god does, and I
think there's so much beauty inthat yeah, absolutely,
(13:05):
absolutely.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
I, I think I'd like to think that it has has shaped
my life.
I know it has.
I think, maybe more so now inmy life like it took this long
for it to come back to me insome ways and maybe talking
about it.
You know, week after week,reliving this trip, and you know
(13:30):
when maybe I've said thisbefore, but when Mary and I
bought the house that we're innow.
It's a good house forentertaining and I think, by
nature, mary and I are moreintroverted types of people but
we felt like this home, we wereable to have it and move into it
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and our last house too, youknow, by the grace of God and we
said like we will use thesehomes to welcome in the family
of Christ wherever we can, andwe have hosted a lot of events
and parties and I will say,sometimes it drains us to do it,
but we have felt like it'simportant and we're always so
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blessed by that and so this is alittle way right, like all
these people welcomed us intotheir lives and into their homes
and allowed us to interrupttheir lives and schedules and
and that's a good word yeah, Ithink that's kind of the the of
it, because it's easier to nothost the party.
It's easier to not host thesmall group.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
It's easier to not just show up to lunch, I mean,
it's easier to not like.
I think it.
It um, christian, christiancommunity should interrupt your
regularly scheduled programmingand I like that word that you
used and we should expect it andgo oh, here it is, I'll bet you
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it's a Jesus thing, right, asopposed to just shake our fist
at it.
I had these plans for today,like, just be like, oh, okay.
And you can just think abouthow many times Jesus got
interrupted, and I'm thinkingspecifically of Joris' daughter.
When he's asked to go healJoris' daughter and his dad goes
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because she's dead or she'svery close.
He thinks she's still alive,but by the time they get there
she's died.
But part of the reason it tookhim longer was because on his
way was the woman who hadbleeding for what is it?
12 years, 19 years, I forgetthe exact number who touched the
hem of his cloak and she wasstopped.
That story happens betweenjaris's father uh, no, jaris is
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jaris's daughter, jaris stoppingjesus and you have to come and
heal my daughter and actuallyget into the house.
In between that is the woman,and so it's Jairus' daughter.
Jairus stopping Jesus and youhave to come and heal my
daughter and Abel get into thehouse In between, that is the
woman, and so it's like, oh, hewas interrupted by her, wasn't
in a rush, stopped thosebeautiful words like your faith
has made you well and her restof her life is different,
(16:09):
because she can now be a part ofthe community, all of these
things come, and then he goes,and it's not too late, although
and here's another sermon, likewe can just add on right, like
most of the time, we think deathis too late.
Oh, you missed the moment, butJesus, just no, I didn't.
She's just sleeping.
Boom wakes her up Like I don'tknow.
In Christ there's just thatlike there's much freedom to be
(16:30):
able to pause and to do ministryand to believe that at the
other end they're still gonna beokay because christ isn't there
.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
So, yeah, it's a, it was, it was lived out I, I don't
, I mean I, I don't think thiswas the intent of today's
episode, but maybe we can, wecan go there a little bit, but,
um, gosh, I'm maybe, I'm noteven sure how to quite get there
, but that that statement thereof like it's not too late she
(17:03):
was just sleeping and I, youknow, as it translates to the
way that we, as believers, viewour lives on earth as just part
one, yeah, yeah, right, and um,I don't know how this ties in,
(17:24):
but it like it.
I hadn't thought much aboutthat until, um, a couple of
things happened in life recently.
This started with our dearfriend Summer, who we've
mentioned a bunch of times andwe'll get her on the show.
At some point.
Her mother passed away and ather funeral she had a book that
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she wanted everybody whoattended the funeral to have and
it was about encounteringheaven or something like that
attended the funeral to have andit was about encountering
heaven or something like that,and it was.
It was stories of people whohad had near-death experiences.
Yeah, and it talked all aboutthat and what they experienced
and the similarities betweenthese, and the author was very
careful to say like Iinterviewed people who had
nothing to gain by sharing thesestories, right?
(18:11):
Like these were not people whowere trying to get a story out
there so they could get on goodday, la, or america, and like
get some endorsement or whatever.
Like these are people who werelike, you know, I was a doctor,
I was a lawyer, whatever thishappened to me, like here's my
story moving on, um, but it was,i't know.
(18:32):
There was something aboutreading that and I didn't even
finish that book.
Which story of my life.
But, um, just reading some ofthose stories about how I don't
know, it just clicked for methat there is side or like part
two still yet to come and it'sso much better, um, and this one
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is just sort of in preparationfor that.
So here's where I'm trying tomake it all connect.
Is that that is one of thethings that we share, in common
with all those people that wemet and the people that we bring
into our homes, who share thatright.
Is there is this sense ofcommunity because we have this,
this shared thing in this belief, and we know that and have that
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joy here on earth, even amidstdifficult times, because we're
like this is just part one, yeah, maybe, maybe that's too deep,
pull me out of it.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Scott, I don't know no, no, I, I do, I, I think, do.
I think that having a largervision is what you're calling
for, and I think that we, asChristians, our vision extends
into eternity, and it extendsbecause we have Christ with us.
And so what we're experiencingnow is riddled with sin, riddled
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with issues.
Now is riddled with sin,riddled with issues, but the
hope of the gospel is and thisis why I end every worship
service with that the rumors ofgrace, hope and forgiveness are
true.
It's all going to be okay, nomatter what happens, no matter
we have an election coming up,no matter who's elected, no
matter where the sins go, it'sgoing to be okay.
Why?
Because of who Christ is.
And I think that if you can sitin that, then it takes away the
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hurriedness, it takes away thatworry about this thing to the
next thing, to this thing, tothe next thing.
Right, it's like I can restknowing that Christ has it and
he's going to do the right thing.
Just say that in a world whereand especially Southern
California where we are proud tosay how busy we are, right,
(20:37):
it's like a badge of honor thatwe say like we should be willing
to be interrupted and we shouldbe willing to slow down because
it is going to be okay and wedo have a lot longer than
previously thought of because ofJesus.
So, yeah, I think it's a great.
It's a great reminder of whatwe're doing and in so many ways,
yeah, I mean, I think we needto at some point and this might
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be the first of theseconversations of just kind of
going okay, god, now it's beenthis long, we've spent a year
talking about it what are thethings that we want to hold and
treasure in our heart and whatare the things that you guys do
as listeners?
What has been a consistenttheme that you've heard from us
(21:24):
that we might not be referringto?
But you know, guys, you alwayssay this or you always are
reminded of this, and I'd becurious.
I'd be curious as to what thatis, because I know sometimes the
outside view.
You guys go yeah, that's thething you guys do or say or
whatever.
You haven't been attention yet.
No, we haven't, obviously.
So yeah yeah, right, right,right um, but that's yeah,
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that's something.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Here's one that that pops into mind, right like maybe
we haven't said this as muchand maybe we hadn't considered
it, but like we, we talk a lot,we say a lot, like go out and
have an adventure, right, butthe other side of that is enable
the adventure for other people,right like be the people who
yeah, who, yeah, says you knowwhat, and and not necessarily an
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adventure like we took, butlike host the party, right, host
the small host the small groupbe interrupted enable say yes to
the people enable the thing tohappen.
Yeah, and why don't?
Speaker 1 (22:25):
we said maybe before, and yeah, go ahead, it's.
It's probably another thing,just to point out.
But like what if our, ourdefault reaction was yes and we
had to figure out why to say noas opposed to I think most of
the world's the opposite.
I'm going to say no and thenyou convince me to say yes.
Right, that's, I think, our,and that could be sin in us.
(22:47):
It could be laziness, I don'tknow what it is, but our default
reaction is wait a second.
Why did I say no to that?
And I don't know.
I find myself doing that,parenting all the time, where,
like I'll say no right away andI'm like, actually, I, I don't
care, fine, you know.
Like, yeah, sure, do that thing.
Like it doesn't look, you know,but like just that,
(23:08):
automatically it must be a badidea because my kid wants it.
Actually that that's a prettygood idea, let's just try it.
So I don't know, yeah, I waslike, yeah, that's, that's
another thing.
This is what if?
What if our, our yes was easyand our no took like explanation
, whereas I think the oppositeis true?
We expect people to say no, weexpect ourselves to say no, so
(23:32):
do you?
Speaker 2 (23:33):
think that's true yeah, I'm with you.
So is the question?
No, I don't think this is.
I was going to say the questionisn't why, it's why not?
Speaker 1 (23:45):
yeah, um yeah, maybe I should have left it at what
you said, but I think I thinkyou're right, or maybe it's yes,
why not?
Speaker 2 (23:51):
yeah, is there a good ?
Yeah?
Is there a good reason Ishouldn't do this?
Is there a good reason?
Yeah, is there something that?
Speaker 1 (23:56):
what is the?
Speaker 2 (23:56):
reason I want to.
What is the like asking myselfwhat is the reason that my, my,
what is the reason that my kneejerk reaction is no?
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Yeah, am I?
Just that's the question, yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Yeah, did.
I just get too used to thatversus actually thinking.
Oh, maybe if I and granted you,you mentioned this, we're
parents, yes, tired a lot.
It like there's a comedian andasked for something tomorrow
morning come on girl why why?
Are we talking about?
(24:32):
This it's like bedtime.
Hey, can I have.
I don't care what it is thatcomes after can I have?
Speaker 1 (24:37):
I'm like.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
No, why aren't you even in bed?
Speaker 1 (24:40):
go to I don't want to parents anymore, like don't
want to be in charge a hug dad.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Oh crap, yes, you can have a hug order that too.
Get out of my face, yeah um,yeah, no, it's good, it's
probably they were gonna say alot of.
They're gonna say a piece ofcandy oh yeah, it's gonna like
cookies and milk chocolate, milkcake, whatever, yeah they're
just doing the last thing.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
You have to get off the couch and get it for me,
yeah get out of bed.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
I tell you what, though?
I think my kids have learnedthat, as long as they are
willing to do it themselves, theanswer is most likely yes can I
have some?
Speaker 1 (25:11):
crack cocaine sure, as long as you get it yourself,
thought I'm going to handlemyself and buy from this board
vendor on the corner.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Yes, ma'am, way to be industrious.
Yeah, I don't care, do what youwant, can't you see I'm
watching TV Another good reasonthat our wives don't listen to
the podcast.
Oh, boy, oh boy.
Now they'd be like that checksout, that checks out.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Yeah, well done, well done, More crack Avery.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Yeah, whatever.
Just don't call for me to comeget you out of jail if I'm
watching.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
TV?
No, of course, get yourself outof jail.
The Bachelor always wins.
Well, this is.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
I liked today.
It was good.
It was a little different, butI hope you liked it.
I hope you liked it.
Yeah, I hope you liked it.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
So I appreciate, I would appreciate it if you would
say things that we haven't beensaying, or like summarizing
what have you learned?
What's something that you'veheard that I haven't understood?
So, yeah, thanks, guys, cool.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
I'll see you later.
Yeah, all right, thanks, guys.
Cool, talk to you later.
Yeah, all right, next time.
Bye.
Happy Halloween to those who celebrate Halloween,
which which is, I think, most ofamerica.
Um, here you are, podcast.
We are going down the road, wehave lost our blooper tank, we
are in florida, we're gonna goto new orleans and, um, my name
is scott haw, His name is AndrewGare.
(00:45):
I'm going to try to say it veryspecifically, because every
time when the AI tries to writea synopsis of the episode, it
has a different thing T-Ray Gra.
I'm like, wow, this is.
It does my name well, everytime, but I must mispronounce
your name.
So, andrew Gare, and we are thekings of the road, follow us on
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to start recording thoseepisodes soon.
So, hey, andrew hi.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Um, I was laughing because I just realized I don't
know if this is a new featureand it's a real shame that we
don't publish videos, because Irealized I was able to give you
a title.
Can you see that on your screen?
Speaker 1 (01:30):
I thought you were laughing because of my For those
who Celebrate line withHalloween.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Well, that was funny as well.
I thought of the last section.
I'm like that's a good one forthose who celebrate Halloween.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Which I think is probably the most universally
celebrated holiday, at least inAmerica.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Well, that's interesting.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
You only got the Jehovah's Witnesses probably.
Who don't?
I would assume they don'tcelebrate anything.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Yeah, it's a non-religious holiday.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
It's probably something people move into
America and think, yes, well,maybe Thanksgiving too.
Thanksgiving might be Christmasand Easter, yom Kippur, ramadan
, but christmas and easter, uh,don't pour ramadan.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
I don't know.
I'm gonna say somethingcontroversial here.
Oh, I love it.
Are we hold on?
Are we going?
Oh well, I don't know if we'llbe I know, no go ahead, no go
ahead yeah, so I learned that wedo not celebrate Columbus Day
anymore.
It's.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Indigenous People Day .
Speaker 2 (02:28):
It's now Indigenous People Day, yes, and something
went home with the kids, or itwas like one of my daughters has
to do these fluencies where youread a passage and so she's
reading this passage and I thinkMary was reading it with her
and I was just in the room and Iwas overhearing it and I
started hearing, basically, myseven-year-old start to say some
(02:50):
really nasty things aboutChristopher Columbus.
I was like what?
And I read this thing and it'slike Christopher Columbus was
the worst person in the worldand he enslaved people and stole
all their money and land andkilled them and burned their
village.
I was like that is verydifferent from what I learned.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Yes, well, but I think it's accurate it might I
think it probably is the problem.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
But now I'm wondering but now I'm wondering like
think, what's going to happen tothanksgiving?
Like we got to be coming forthanksgiving next, right I think
, you know, I don't think so.
I think that there's adifferent level of um I think,
thanksgiving I don't think theindians fared well in the long
haul, did they?
Speaker 1 (03:32):
oh, but I think that that initial, like I think the
landing, oh, but I I have, um, Iread the book the killers of
the flower moon, or whateverwhich is it was a movie then
later.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Oh my gosh, I watched that movie on an airplane it
was so boring, but it was a verylong flight, so I was like well
, I got three hours.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Let's do this.
The book had more informationbut it really left me being like
, oh, we were horrible.
We were horrible to the NativeAmericans and I was like
actively horrible for a longtime.
And even when they, we gavethem reservations but then we
like found that they had oil onthere.
We're like, ah well, you don'treally get the.
(04:15):
You know what I mean.
It was just like, yeah, oh mygosh.
And to we stayed.
We veered pretty clear of mostcontroversial things on this
podcast.
But yesterday I was doingIsaac's haircut and there was on
the hair cutter you knowstorage thing where they have
all the clippers and all she hada thing that made me.
I couldn't see it right atfirst, but it made me start
(04:36):
thinking.
I was like, whoo, there's a lotof thoughts there, so I'll just
say it and then we won't diveinto it.
But I was like oh, oh, my goshthere needs to be some thinking
about this.
It says, boy, there can be noillegal, there can be no
illegals on stolen land, and Iwas like, oh, oh, that's a,
that's a lot of buttons.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
I I mean, is there any land in the world that is?
Speaker 1 (05:06):
not stolen.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
The answer is probably yes, but like I mean,
since people got here, theystarted.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
People don't really want the North.
Pole yeah, yeah, yeah, I meanlike there's oil underneath it,
then we're going to steal it.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
I'm just saying if we got to peel the onion, we got
to peel it to the core right.
I don't know.
Well, the Torvitz core right, Idon't know.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Well, the core of it's I mean the core of I I
wasn't human the core of it'ssin is like you did it.
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
We just take the stuff and wewant it and then we justify it.
There was this little brilliant, wonderful woman, so Southern
at Birmingham.
Her name was Rowena Wells.
She's passed away now, but herline would be and it'd come up
(05:42):
all the time in Bible studies.
She'd say the human mind canjustify anything the human heart
desires.
It's like, yeah, it's tough andshe's right there, it is yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Yeah, I don't think, I don't think any.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
you know, we all want to be yeah, we all want to be
justified and we all want tofeel like our hands are clean
but come like, uh, if we gotreally honest, which that's why
a lot of people don't want toget really honest, because
that's why we do confession atthe first part of our church
service every week like, heyguys, let's talk about how much
you will suck.
(06:18):
I saw this.
I saw this one thing that saidyou can't offend me.
I've said worse things aboutmyself and hymns at church,
those old hymns they are prettygood.
Okay, so we are in Tallahasseeand we are hanging out with this
incredible family and you saw,I think you posted the pictures
(06:41):
of us in the jiu-jitsu with them.
I did, I did.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Pool party?
Ain't no, I did Pool party.
Ain't no party like a poolparty, especially on the south
eastern capital of Florida.
Ain't no party.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
That's why I didn't write the music.
That's what I did, yeah.
So we said that we were goingto talk a little bit more about
this family and maybe we can.
(07:26):
You know, scott said that weshould reach out to them and I
think we'll probably try to dothat, but just could not say
enough nice things about thesepeople.
They were also musicians andthey were sort of a family
bluegrass band and I want to sayone of the boys who was
probably 12-ish, probably, Ithink he played banjo.
I think the older son playedguitar.
(07:46):
Did the daughter also playguitar?
Did she play piano?
And I think the dad playedmandolin and they were just like
yeah, we're gonna play somemusic, and it was like oh my
gosh.
Someone played that mouth thingoh, the jaw harp, that's what
it's like right, it's a jaw harpright.
Oh, what are you gonna call it?
(08:07):
I shouldn't have said it.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
I don't I that's good , because I was like I know it's
not what I think it is in myhead.
I have one changed from the jawand that's what I've always
heard it called and the jew harp.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Yes, yes, yes, right.
So that's probably a, but Ithink you're right, probably a
derogatory term, but I can callupon some of my own jewish
heritage, so it's okay that Isaid it out loud, right, yeah, I
but I was.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
But as soon as you said that, I put that in my head
.
I'm like, oh, we can't say that.
But then it is, that's what itis.
It's a jaw harp.
I think it's a jaw harp.
I think it's a jaw harp.
So cool, it's a fun instrument.
It does so much.
I think.
The thing again, this isprobably, if you've listened to
us this whole time, we're okay,I just looked it up, okay, so.
(08:54):
Yeah, we're fine, okay, good.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
So the Jew's harp, also known as jaw harp, Jew's
harp or mouth harp, is alamellophone instrument
consisting of a flexible metalor bamboo tongue reed.
Oh, that's all.
I got to click the link to readmore.
(09:18):
Click the AI link, Bear with me.
Okay.
No, this is straight Wikipedia,so we know it's true.
Um flexible metal or bambootongue or reed attached to a
frame.
Despite the colloquial, name andyou just most likely originated
in syria specifically in yeah,you put it between your teeth
(09:40):
and then you kind of yeah, flickit with your thumb, I think,
and maybe make some noise withyour mouth.
Yeah is that cool, so yeaharound the mountain.
Yeah, well, that's good that'sno relation to the jewish people
what?
Speaker 1 (09:54):
so it's something happened with the jaw.
It was jaw hot first, is myguess yeah, maybe it's a
translation thing that happenedor something.
I think this family epitomizesthe trip in so many ways.
(10:16):
Who we never would have known,who we were truly related to in
Christ, who opened their home,opened their life to us.
It felt like we melded prettyseamlessly in.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
This was what we started with when we were
leaving.
What if we know people acrossthe country who we could stay
with?
Speaker 1 (11:03):
And then Clark, that we went out to dinner with or
lunch with and I'm thinking ofPastor Paul and Renee in Iowa.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
And I'm thinking of the Bushes in Michigan and Moira
, and Tish, Trish, Tish and wellmaybe they're an exception, not
Moira.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
She was great no but exactly In Boston and like all
the people, like when you reallystring it together you start to
see this family tree almost getbuilt.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
We should do that.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
That would be a cool thing and it's Christ.
That is what it comes down tois we thought, what if we had
family across the country?
And we didn't?
But we knew that there werepeople who we shared
commonalities with, and thecommonality is truly um
welcoming your neighbor eventhough you don't know your
(11:57):
neighbor.
And so it comes down to us, butthey knew us in Christ and that
was it.
And I think that this is thepart that has changed, probably
both of us to say yes, okay, Idon't know you or don't know the
(12:19):
thing, but I'll trust that inChrist, this is the right thing
to do.
This is the right thing totrust in you, or to help you, or
to open our home or open mylife to you because of our
commonality of Jesus.
And I mean that, to me, is oneof the hugest things that we put
into action and I think wefound to be true.
Yes, right, I mean we found itto be true.
(12:43):
It was like, oh, here they are,living this life, opening their
home to us, having us, wehelped them, we helped put the
drywall up, we got to be withthem and we helped them with all
the things around the house.
It was just we have time.
We want to be with you andlet's see what god does, and I
think there's so much beauty inthat yeah, absolutely,
(13:05):
absolutely.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
I, I think I'd like to think that it has has shaped
my life.
I know it has.
I think, maybe more so now inmy life like it took this long
for it to come back to me insome ways and maybe talking
about it.
You know, week after week,reliving this trip, and you know
(13:30):
when maybe I've said thisbefore, but when Mary and I
bought the house that we're innow.
It's a good house forentertaining and I think, by
nature, mary and I are moreintroverted types of people but
we felt like this home, we wereable to have it and move into it
(13:54):
and our last house too, youknow, by the grace of God and we
said like we will use thesehomes to welcome in the family
of Christ wherever we can, andwe have hosted a lot of events
and parties and I will say,sometimes it drains us to do it,
but we have felt like it'simportant and we're always so
(14:18):
blessed by that and so this is alittle way right, like all
these people welcomed us intotheir lives and into their homes
and allowed us to interrupttheir lives and schedules and
and that's a good word yeah, Ithink that's kind of the the of
it, because it's easier to nothost the party.
It's easier to not host thesmall group.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
It's easier to not just show up to lunch, I mean,
it's easier to not like.
I think it.
It um, christian, christiancommunity should interrupt your
regularly scheduled programmingand I like that word that you
used and we should expect it andgo oh, here it is, I'll bet you
(15:01):
it's a Jesus thing, right, asopposed to just shake our fist
at it.
I had these plans for today,like, just be like, oh, okay.
And you can just think abouthow many times Jesus got
interrupted, and I'm thinkingspecifically of Joris' daughter.
When he's asked to go healJoris' daughter and his dad goes
(15:25):
because she's dead or she'svery close.
He thinks she's still alive,but by the time they get there
she's died.
But part of the reason it tookhim longer was because on his
way was the woman who hadbleeding for what is it?
12 years, 19 years, I forgetthe exact number who touched the
hem of his cloak and she wasstopped.
That story happens betweenjaris's father uh, no, jaris is
(15:49):
jaris's daughter, jaris stoppingjesus and you have to come and
heal my daughter and actuallyget into the house.
In between that is the woman,and so it's Jairus' daughter.
Jairus stopping Jesus and youhave to come and heal my
daughter and Abel get into thehouse In between, that is the
woman, and so it's like, oh, hewas interrupted by her, wasn't
in a rush, stopped thosebeautiful words like your faith
has made you well and her restof her life is different,
(16:09):
because she can now be a part ofthe community, all of these
things come, and then he goes,and it's not too late, although
and here's another sermon, likewe can just add on right, like
most of the time, we think deathis too late.
Oh, you missed the moment, butJesus, just no, I didn't.
She's just sleeping.
Boom wakes her up Like I don'tknow.
In Christ there's just thatlike there's much freedom to be
(16:30):
able to pause and to do ministryand to believe that at the
other end they're still gonna beokay because christ isn't there
.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
So, yeah, it's a, it was, it was lived out I, I don't
, I mean I, I don't think thiswas the intent of today's
episode, but maybe we can, wecan go there a little bit, but,
um, gosh, I'm maybe, I'm noteven sure how to quite get there
, but that that statement thereof like it's not too late she
(17:03):
was just sleeping and I, youknow, as it translates to the
way that we, as believers, viewour lives on earth as just part
one, yeah, yeah, right, and um,I don't know how this ties in,
(17:24):
but it like it.
I hadn't thought much aboutthat until, um, a couple of
things happened in life recently.
This started with our dearfriend Summer, who we've
mentioned a bunch of times andwe'll get her on the show.
At some point.
Her mother passed away and ather funeral she had a book that
(17:50):
she wanted everybody whoattended the funeral to have and
it was about encounteringheaven or something like that
attended the funeral to have andit was about encountering
heaven or something like that,and it was.
It was stories of people whohad had near-death experiences.
Yeah, and it talked all aboutthat and what they experienced
and the similarities betweenthese, and the author was very
careful to say like Iinterviewed people who had
nothing to gain by sharing thesestories, right?
(18:11):
Like these were not people whowere trying to get a story out
there so they could get on goodday, la, or america, and like
get some endorsement or whatever.
Like these are people who werelike, you know, I was a doctor,
I was a lawyer, whatever thishappened to me, like here's my
story moving on, um, but it was,i't know.
(18:32):
There was something aboutreading that and I didn't even
finish that book.
Which story of my life.
But, um, just reading some ofthose stories about how I don't
know, it just clicked for methat there is side or like part
two still yet to come and it'sso much better, um, and this one
(18:55):
is just sort of in preparationfor that.
So here's where I'm trying tomake it all connect.
Is that that is one of thethings that we share, in common
with all those people that wemet and the people that we bring
into our homes, who share thatright.
Is there is this sense ofcommunity because we have this,
this shared thing in this belief, and we know that and have that
(19:20):
joy here on earth, even amidstdifficult times, because we're
like this is just part one, yeah, maybe, maybe that's too deep,
pull me out of it.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Scott, I don't know no, no, I, I do, I, I think, do.
I think that having a largervision is what you're calling
for, and I think that we, asChristians, our vision extends
into eternity, and it extendsbecause we have Christ with us.
And so what we're experiencingnow is riddled with sin, riddled
(19:52):
with issues.
Now is riddled with sin,riddled with issues, but the
hope of the gospel is and thisis why I end every worship
service with that the rumors ofgrace, hope and forgiveness are
true.
It's all going to be okay, nomatter what happens, no matter
we have an election coming up,no matter who's elected, no
matter where the sins go, it'sgoing to be okay.
Why?
Because of who Christ is.
And I think that if you can sitin that, then it takes away the
(20:16):
hurriedness, it takes away thatworry about this thing to the
next thing, to this thing, tothe next thing.
Right, it's like I can restknowing that Christ has it and
he's going to do the right thing.
Just say that in a world whereand especially Southern
California where we are proud tosay how busy we are, right,
(20:37):
it's like a badge of honor thatwe say like we should be willing
to be interrupted and we shouldbe willing to slow down because
it is going to be okay and wedo have a lot longer than
previously thought of because ofJesus.
So, yeah, I think it's a great.
It's a great reminder of whatwe're doing and in so many ways,
yeah, I mean, I think we needto at some point and this might
(21:01):
be the first of theseconversations of just kind of
going okay, god, now it's beenthis long, we've spent a year
talking about it what are thethings that we want to hold and
treasure in our heart and whatare the things that you guys do
as listeners?
What has been a consistenttheme that you've heard from us
(21:24):
that we might not be referringto?
But you know, guys, you alwayssay this or you always are
reminded of this, and I'd becurious.
I'd be curious as to what thatis, because I know sometimes the
outside view.
You guys go yeah, that's thething you guys do or say or
whatever.
You haven't been attention yet.
No, we haven't, obviously.
So yeah yeah, right, right,right um, but that's yeah,
(21:47):
that's something.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Here's one that that pops into mind, right like maybe
we haven't said this as muchand maybe we hadn't considered
it, but like we, we talk a lot,we say a lot, like go out and
have an adventure, right, butthe other side of that is enable
the adventure for other people,right like be the people who
yeah, who, yeah, says you knowwhat, and and not necessarily an
(22:12):
adventure like we took, butlike host the party, right, host
the small host the small groupbe interrupted enable say yes to
the people enable the thing tohappen.
Yeah, and why don't?
Speaker 1 (22:25):
we said maybe before, and yeah, go ahead, it's.
It's probably another thing,just to point out.
But like what if our, ourdefault reaction was yes and we
had to figure out why to say noas opposed to I think most of
the world's the opposite.
I'm going to say no and thenyou convince me to say yes.
Right, that's, I think, our,and that could be sin in us.
(22:47):
It could be laziness, I don'tknow what it is, but our default
reaction is wait a second.
Why did I say no to that?
And I don't know.
I find myself doing that,parenting all the time, where,
like I'll say no right away andI'm like, actually, I, I don't
care, fine, you know.
Like, yeah, sure, do that thing.
Like it doesn't look, you know,but like just that,
(23:08):
automatically it must be a badidea because my kid wants it.
Actually that that's a prettygood idea, let's just try it.
So I don't know, yeah, I waslike, yeah, that's, that's
another thing.
This is what if?
What if our, our yes was easyand our no took like explanation
, whereas I think the oppositeis true?
We expect people to say no, weexpect ourselves to say no, so
(23:32):
do you?
Speaker 2 (23:33):
think that's true yeah, I'm with you.
So is the question?
No, I don't think this is.
I was going to say the questionisn't why, it's why not?
Speaker 1 (23:45):
yeah, um yeah, maybe I should have left it at what
you said, but I think I thinkyou're right, or maybe it's yes,
why not?
Speaker 2 (23:51):
yeah, is there a good ?
Yeah?
Is there a good reason Ishouldn't do this?
Is there a good reason?
Yeah, is there something that?
Speaker 1 (23:56):
what is the?
Speaker 2 (23:56):
reason I want to.
What is the like asking myselfwhat is the reason that my, my,
what is the reason that my kneejerk reaction is no?
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Yeah, am I?
Just that's the question, yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Yeah, did.
I just get too used to thatversus actually thinking.
Oh, maybe if I and granted you,you mentioned this, we're
parents, yes, tired a lot.
It like there's a comedian andasked for something tomorrow
morning come on girl why why?
Are we talking about?
(24:32):
This it's like bedtime.
Hey, can I have.
I don't care what it is thatcomes after can I have?
Speaker 1 (24:37):
I'm like.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
No, why aren't you even in bed?
Speaker 1 (24:40):
go to I don't want to parents anymore, like don't
want to be in charge a hug dad.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Oh crap, yes, you can have a hug order that too.
Get out of my face, yeah um,yeah, no, it's good, it's
probably they were gonna say alot of.
They're gonna say a piece ofcandy oh yeah, it's gonna like
cookies and milk chocolate, milkcake, whatever, yeah they're
just doing the last thing.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
You have to get off the couch and get it for me,
yeah get out of bed.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
I tell you what, though?
I think my kids have learnedthat, as long as they are
willing to do it themselves, theanswer is most likely yes can I
have some?
Speaker 1 (25:11):
crack cocaine sure, as long as you get it yourself,
thought I'm going to handlemyself and buy from this board
vendor on the corner.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Yes, ma'am, way to be industrious.
Yeah, I don't care, do what youwant, can't you see I'm
watching TV Another good reasonthat our wives don't listen to
the podcast.
Oh, boy, oh boy.
Now they'd be like that checksout, that checks out.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Yeah, well done, well done, More crack Avery.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Yeah, whatever.
Just don't call for me to comeget you out of jail if I'm
watching.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
TV?
No, of course, get yourself outof jail.
The Bachelor always wins.
Well, this is.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
I liked today.
It was good.
It was a little different, butI hope you liked it.
I hope you liked it.
Yeah, I hope you liked it.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
So I appreciate, I would appreciate it if you would
say things that we haven't beensaying, or like summarizing
what have you learned?
What's something that you'veheard that I haven't understood?
So, yeah, thanks, guys, cool.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
I'll see you later.
Yeah, all right, thanks, guys.
Cool, talk to you later.
Yeah, all right, next time.
Bye.
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