December 4, 2024 • 34 mins
Ever wonder how a simple road trip can transform friendships and unveil life’s unexpected lessons? Join us as we wrap up the first season of the Kings of the Road podcast, celebrating 56 episodes packed with laughter, spills, and unforgettable adventures. We look back on our shared journey across America, where two friends found unexpected harmony despite the challenges of cramped quarters and spilled Kool-Aid. Discover how our odyssey became a testament to the power of intentional relationships and the undeniable charm of places like South Dakota.
Get ready for season two with a thrilling twist! "Defend Your State" launches in early spring 2025, promising to unveil the hidden gems and unique attractions across the nation. Each episode will feature passionate guests advocating for their states, offering listeners insider tips and compelling reasons to visit. Whether you're fiercely proud of your hometown or a wanderlust traveler seeking new destinations, this upcoming journey through America’s diverse landscapes will be nothing short of enlightening. And if you think your state deserves the spotlight, we invite you to share your story with us!
As we close the chapter on our inaugural season, we're filled with gratitude for our dedicated listeners who’ve been with us from the start, and especially those who binged the entire season in a day—your enthusiasm fuels us! These reflections remind us of the importance of nurturing relationships and embracing new adventures at every turn. Though we bid farewell for now, it’s only a brief pause before we return with even more captivating stories and lively discussions in the next season of Kings of the Road. Thank you for being a vital part of our journey.
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Hello listener, by now you know the deal.
This is our final episode ofthe first season of Kings of the
Road podcast.
If this is your first episodeyou're listening to, you have a
journey in front of you.
Don't listen to this episode.
Stop.
Go back to the first episode,listen all the way through 50
episodes, come back to thisepisode I don't know Like a day
(00:46):
or two and then listen and wewill wrap up what you have heard
.
If you've been with us on thewhole journey, welcome to the
final episode of the firstseason of Chains of the Road
podcast.
And we are here.
My name is Todd Hawkins.
This is Andrew Gare.
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Do all the things that they doon the TV the internet.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Honk the horns, ring the bells, jump off the diving
board.
Yeah, I mean, if you have one,if you have one, do it.
Yeah, I wonder how long itwould take you to get from
season one all the way to hereif you were to go nonstop back
to back, do you think?
Speaker 1 (01:31):
I think we have something like 56 episodes.
Yeah, we're roughly about 20 to30 minutes, so okay.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Somewhere a little longer.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Yeah, so about, there's a couple of longer, so
probably about a day of content,a day of content, a day of
content, a day of content Golly24 hours.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
You could just nonstop for 24 hours.
Listen to Scott and I in yourhead In your ear holes.
Could you imagine a better wayto spend 24 solid hours?
Speaker 1 (01:59):
No, if you're road tripping right now and you're
just go back to episode one,just start.
If you've heard it where hewants, go back.
We've learned some things alongthe way.
Um, let's start with justtalking about the fact that
there will be a season two,because we have enjoyed this and
, um, we are glad to do this.
It's good for us, it's good forour friendship, it's good for
(02:22):
you as a listener, I think.
Oh for sure.
Maybe the number one.
I think we have decided to doseason two and what it's going
to be is it's going to be defendyour state and we're going to
take this in chunks.
We'll probably do 10 to 12 at atime release like season two,
with 10 or 12 states beingdefended.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
That'll come out sometime in the spring, late
winter, early spring of 2025.
Fair, fair, committing tosomething here, I think that's
good.
Yeah, it is.
I'm giving us a big we got this, we got this down on air yeah,
so that we will commit to it.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Yes, we've got to find because what we're going to
try is to do it a little likehave them all recorded in the
bank, yeah, and we'll.
We're going to try to step upour game just a little as far as
like, okay, what does it looklike to have a planned strategy
for like launching it and thenhaving, uh, other posts go up at
the same time and you know,like interesting things like
which, which reminds me fromlast week, or the last episode
(03:24):
that we released, theapplications for our social
media intern have beenoverwhelming.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Oh good, yes, I mean we haven't got any yet, but I
just feel like.
There's so many people who haveit like pretty high now on
their to-do list of like yeah,I'm gonna contact these guys so
that I could do that for themfor free.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Yeah, thank you for free, um.
So so get that done, that'scoming out, get that to us.
If you have a state you want todefend, we have some lined up
um, but we would love to haveyou on and then you could put on
your resume.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Guest on the kings of the road podcast, which opens
doors wide open yeah, you, youput that on the resume and you
can pretty much get any job.
You're a thought leader at thatpoint.
Influencer, yeah, whatever elseis buzzing around on linkedin,
you can put that right on theresume.
But you know what?
(04:20):
It's fun too.
And don't be intimidated,because it's just a conversation
around the kitchen table.
Like we said very much at thebeginning, we just want to have
conversations with people.
So if you're at all, interestedand you've got a state that you
want to defend.
Now what does that mean?
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Exactly.
I think it means pitch it to usand get someone to go.
I really should go there.
Yeah, we're not going to attackyou, but we are, I think, going
to say, hey, what about thisthing?
We've heard about that stateand you're like, okay, yes,
there are sinkholes in Floridaand how do we avoid them?
Right, you would have to beable to be ready with that.
(04:57):
But also, we want to fall inlove with your state.
Our goal is not for us to sayno, our goal is to say no.
Our goals say yes, go, remember, we're the go-on-adventure
people.
We are not thedon't-go-to-that-state people,
except for Florida and SouthDakota, but other than those two
, we might be.
We're ready.
We're ready to fall in love.
We're on Tinder, swiping leftor right, don't remember which
(05:18):
one's the right way.
Yeah, I don't know, but yeah, Iwould love to State Tinder.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
We hope to learn something about states that
maybe are a little bit unknown.
You know, hey, you're from Iowa.
What is it about Iowa that wedon't know that maybe we should
know to be like gosh?
I would love to check that out.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Iowa State Fair sounds like a hoot.
It does sound like a hoot, andI do think there's a big deal
about it, maybe it doesn't, wedon't know.
So that's season two that'scoming up, and you are going to
be a part of it.
We can't wait to talk aboutwith you, about your state.
Today, though, we're going towrap up our journey and have
some overall reflections, andthe way we're going to start our
(06:02):
overall reflections is Andrewand I have prepared questions
for each other, and they'regeneralized questions about the
road trip, and we're going toask one another these questions.
We do not know them in advance,so I do not know his questions,
he doesn't know my questions,so if they happen to line up,
it'll just be because we spent alot of time together in a
motorhome and they might line up, but we thought it was a good
(06:23):
way to get started.
And then just some overallthoughts on doing the podcast
and that.
So that's kind of our journeytoday.
Sound good?
Yeah, let's do it.
Okay, you want to go first, orlet me go first?
Go for it?
Hit me, okay.
Are you ready?
Yes, when you are old and in ahome which I know is coming up,
(06:45):
oh God, what is one person thatyou will remember from the trip?
Oh, oh, what's one person?
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Yeah, that's a good question.
I don't know if there's justone person, but I'm gonna.
I'm gonna hope that that oneperson is ramon, if you recall
yeah, if you remember, back toum iowa.
Yeah, ramon was the uh, I guessfacilities guy at yeah at the
(07:23):
church that we uh stopped with,that Paul and Renee Spalding
worked at and he was, I forget,shoot.
I forget exactly where he wasfrom, but somewhere to the south
, oh yeah, and he was just fullof life and super funny and just
instantly loved the guy.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Just so much great energy, he went to the pool
party with the Speedo.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
He's the guy who showed up at the church pool
party in a Speedo.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
A lot in Iowa.
Yeah, a lot of great people.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
But yeah, I think.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Ramon would be a great one to cheer me up.
You know, who I thought youwere going to say Was our friend
from Denver who we went tolunch with, a boy, oh, clark
Clark.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
I thought I was like I was ready for Clark.
Yeah, clark would be anothergood one.
I know you think just a littlebit further about this and it's
like oh, and this person andthat person and that person, but
Ramon's a good choice.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
What about you?
What about you?
I, so I think it was, um, well,it would probably be either
Scott Cleveland or the um, thewoman who I'm just trying to
mention a name, that we made themural at in the Savannah um
(08:37):
thing, because that was such acool like I don't know making
that and and helping aroundthere.
So I just think that was areally neat thing.
So, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
All right, all right, here we go.
Yeah, of everywhere we traveledon the trip, yeah, what's one
place?
Like just right now noteventually in the future, but
like right now.
You'd be wanting to go back andvisit just right now, maybe
because you just want to see itagain or you just want to spend
(09:07):
more time there.
Just one place If you're likehey, spring break, let's go.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
I think I am going to say Maine, maine, because I
think when we when we talkedabout Maine, when we um
interviewed um jason about maine, like, and then I've seen some
of those main cabin mastersepisodes, there's some great
(09:34):
looking like lakes oh, yeah,there to hang out on the
lobsters, great, um, so yeah,that that to me is like
immediately, like if this now,not today, so it's december
right now, but like spring breaktrip, if you say like, where
would you go today, that's awhole different answer.
But right, I do I think withinthe next year.
Yeah, yeah okay, is there onethat jumps out?
Speaker 2 (09:58):
yeah, for me.
I don't know why, but I I wouldlove to go back through some of
the national parks in the Westhere, like Zion specifically.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Um, we just well, you saw Yellowstone too, which is
like I have not been toYellowstone, so that's a good
call.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
That would be fun, but we haven't yeah.
Zion was yeah, zion, we justkind of ran through it, cause it
was like day two or three orfour.
It was quick yeah, and we justkind of drove through, but there
is so much that I would love togo and just spend a while
exploring further.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Zion or Bryce, both of those close by too.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Not that far, because that's possible.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Arches is cool.
Utah is a real interestingstate.
Yep, okay, where in themotorhome is your favorite spot?
Speaker 2 (10:51):
hmm, where in the motorhome.
You know?
It's funny, as you say, that Ihave not been in that motorhome
in at least I don't know howlong after your parents kept it,
but let's just call it 20 years.
But I still know every inch ofthat motorhome.
I feel like my favorite spot, Ithink.
(11:12):
Honestly, I think, the driver'sseat.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Okay, great answer.
Love, it Right, I mean becauseyou're sitting there.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
That means you're going somewhere, You're looking
at the road and it's comfortable.
And you're sitting there, thatmeans you're going somewhere,
you're looking at the road andit's comfortable.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
And you got that big wheel and it's shocking how easy
you can put miles on in themotorhome, like we just drove
back last night from trip up tosacramento and like car miles
suck compared to motorhome miles.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Yeah, but even milder arms feel different.
I do because it's like, yeah,and for a kid too.
It's not like being confined toa car seat, it's sort of like
there's this freedom and best Idon't have two answers, I'm
gonna say okay either the table,which is yeah, there's a great
place like especially.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
It's just great.
We just did a lot better on thetable and also it's really hard
to go away from how greatmotorhome naps are.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
I thought that's what you would say.
I was thinking you wouldprobably say the bunk above the
cab with the fan on, Becausewith that when you're going down
the road.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Still, I think that nap is the best nap in the world
.
Just a little noise, a littlebreeze.
Would you nap in the back?
Speaker 2 (12:24):
sofa or the top.
You would noise little littlebreeze.
Wait did you?
Would you nap in the back sofaor the top?
You would go up top where didyou nap?
Speaker 1 (12:29):
because did you nap in my bed, then?
Because you're, you must havenapped in my bed, probably
napped down below on my bed.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
You think the back lounge?
I think so okay okay, okay,okay, uh.
Next question here what do youthink was the biggest surprise
that you encountered on the trip?
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Oh, what a great.
This is good.
I'm glad we did it this way.
I like this I.
The first thing that popped inmy mind, which is what I'm going
to go with, is and this isprobably going to probably a
little bit mushy I think it issurprising how well we got along
, like, yeah, all in all, thatcould have gone so poorly for
(13:18):
two humans.
That's like that's a greatpoint.
(13:40):
Years and there still wasn'tany times I mean every six
months, I expected a note on mytable about me not doing the
dishes and that they have to bedone by four o'clock today or
I'll sort of move out.
Oh, yeah, I mean in general,like I think and this comes with
(14:01):
also the fact that, like yes,we knew each other very well, so
it's not like we didn't knoweach other well, sure, but I
don't think I could havepredicted.
I would have thought on the waythere, there's going to be a
day or two where it's just bad.
I think that'd be expected.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
I don't did you go into it thinking that?
Speaker 1 (14:24):
I'm just saying, if you had asked me, then like is
that gonna happen?
Sure, and I would be like, ofcourse, like two people can't be
that close for 90 days straightand have no, you know, like
there's gonna be something thathappens where somebody does
something.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Just just life, right , like just the way, yeah and
and this is one of those thingswhere, when time passes, you
forget some of these littleannoyances and yeah, and bad
things, but I really like, whenI really think about it, I don't
think we like we're not havinga great time the whole time you
(15:00):
know, I mean sure there wasprobably some spots where we
were maybe a little bit boredCause like yeah, Bored for
somewhere.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
But yeah, bored is, yeah, exactly.
The only thing like I mean wejoked about it but like, yes,
you get a little snippy when youdon't eat, but that's just like
okay was when I spilled the redKool-Aid all over the blinds.
Oh man, yes, that was to be.
I think you were a littleirritated at that point, which
(15:26):
is fair.
But I think even, and maybebecause we both knew that,
living in that space of the twoof us, I am 100% the messier of
the two of us.
But I think there was no choicereally.
You just had to put yourclothes away.
You had to do the dish.
To put your clothes away, youhad to like do the dish, put it
right away, like there wasn't.
You couldn't let messaccumulate because there was no
(15:49):
space for it to accumulate.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Yeah, and I I think you you did a pretty good job,
in particular of that Cause.
Yeah, that would have probablydriven me mad.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Well, it's not my normal mode too Right.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Right, it's not my normal mode too, right, right,
but yeah, you really have no, nochance.
Well it looks from this angle,it looks pretty good actually in
your office.
But, uh, yeah, okay, that's agood one.
That's yeah, you're right, likewhen, when you think about it,
and maybe I hadn't consideredthat.
But as as the listener, I'mcurious to know if you listen or
think how did these guysactually survive living together
on the road?
Because you see, like couplesdoing that, you know, like a lot
(16:26):
of couples travel and we know,in marriages and things,
especially when you're on theroad, and yeah there's gonna be
things, but like I don't no, Idon't I think we pretty much had
a, a good time, the whole timekind of felt.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
I also I mean, think that we fell into in some ways,
like acknowledging what we'reboth pretty good at Right.
Yeah, in, like, okay, I woulddo the phone calls, I would like
to lay those things out.
You know you were trying to getus to work and do this
different thing, so, like Ithink it was yeah, okay, okay,
do you have something tosurprise you quick?
(17:01):
Or I don't want it to.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
You know I don't.
I think.
One thing that did surprise meI'll keep this one short is I.
I think I had an expectation,going into this road trip, that
I was going to find my nextchapter in my life of where I'm
going to move to and live, grewup, all you know, in Southern
California, went to college.
I fully expected to be like,okay, this place I'm in love
(17:30):
with, I'm moving here, yeah.
And when I got home I was likeI'm supposed to stay here in
southern california.
Yeah, great places on the trip,but I felt like home was home
yeah, I also feel like I do.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
I guess the part of me is surprised that you never
moved, because I feel like therewas still talk of you moving
after we got back, Like I mean,we always talked about like
Coeur d'Alene, oh yeah, therewas always some like I guess I'm
a little surprised you nevertried it for a little while.
Well, yeah, Because we talkedabout it a lot, but also we were
traveling.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Yeah, yeah, I don't think I ever did, because I
think I mean.
This is what I've come tobelieve as as I've gotten older.
Is you, you tend to stay in aplace because of the people that
are in that place, Right, Moreso than anything else.
So, like I would probably verymuch enjoy living somewhere else
(18:21):
, but, um, it's not how you know, you are the people the tuesday
afternoon or the sundayafternoon, when you want to go
see friends or family for dinneror whatever, and you're like,
oh, there aren't any, andgranted, you make new friends
and people move all the timeit's hard, though it's hard, but
yeah, it was just neversomething that you know.
And then you get into life, andI think that's a big thing.
A theme of this trip is you.
(18:42):
You start to get into life andyou get a job, and you get
things, and you getrelationships, and then this
sort of adventure becomes moreand more difficult.
It does for sure, for sure, andyou have to turn up the
intentionality to make it happen.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
So um, for sure, yeah , yeah, all right, okay, hit me
Okay.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
What is one food memory?
One food memory oh gosh,there's so many.
One food memory.
I just the one one that popsinto my head is White Castle
burgers.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Nice, nice.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Not a good food memory.
I'm not saying it was good butit was one of those things where
it's like you hear about WhiteCastle burgers your whole life
and you're like, okay, we're inMichigan, we're going to try a
White Castle burger.
You'd had them before, soyou're like let's go in there.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
I did these things called sliders.
Yep, you're like you order like30 of them or something.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
And then you get them and they are disgusting and
you're like seriously, isn't itBeastie Boys who rap about them,
right?
Speaker 1 (19:58):
I don't know.
I feel like there's a wrapper,that like we had heard about
them even before, because theylike shown up in like rap songs
in our childhood.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Oh yeah, I'm sure, I'm sure, yeah, but yeah they're
kind of like gray yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
No, they're steamed.
I definitely thought you weregoing to go with lobster ice
cream.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Oh, no, no, I've tried to erase that from the
memory.
That's just default.
Boop, yep, yep.
Okay, there's so many choices.
What I mean.
If I were to guess for you,it'd be Mrs Wilkes, but that's
just because you probably thinkabout that every day.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
But it would.
Yeah, no, I mean I, I made meto know that lobster.
It's funny, cause the firstthing that came to mind was like
the amount of times they likeapplebees and like chilies,
right, like just random crap.
That really, like we shouldn'thave done, like we should have
probably just like boughtreheatable meals like the 42
year old scott's, like buy somestuff from tracer joe's, throw
in the microwave like fill up.
(20:53):
But that's what we were doing.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
You know what I mean yeah, but you got to remember
too like we would drive all dayand we needed to get out, like
you don't the last thing, you todo is like just then sit in the
motorhome and eat a mealquietly.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
I hadn't thought of it that way.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
There was an entertainment factor to going
into.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Applebee's, you're right, just getting out of the
motorhome.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Yeah, and the world.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
the baseball playoffs were on and like so it was it
was something to do as much asit was a meal, it was an, an
event.
That's a good point.
I like that.
That's a good point Also likeAnchor Bar.
I mean that was.
That's still some of thosewings were some of the best
wings ever, as it should be.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Anchor Bar Buffalo, new York.
Biggest regret.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Biggest regret I this is maybe a surprise, so I may
have thought that was a regret Iwas.
This is maybe a surpriseSomebody else thought that was a
regret.
I was going to say like I kindof thought that we would venture
into more like random, likejump on our sailboat and try
this kind of thing, and thatlike never happened, you know,
because we were two totalstrangers.
(22:01):
Boy, yeah, a simple one.
But I guess I regret the factthat we lost the pooper tank at
the end and like it all, it allhad to shift so much.
Um, I don't know how muchlonger would it stay on the road
(22:21):
.
I don't know like what that endwould have looked like, but it
it definitely changed everything.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Yeah.
You know, yeah, I think for meand I think this was a trade-off
, but I think for me the regretwas moving as quickly as we did.
I think I would have liked tohave stayed in certain places a
little bit longer and exploremore deeply.
(22:50):
Yeah, fair, but at the sametime, we had a plan to travel
around the whole country and wehad to be back by a certain and
maybe date, and I mean yeah Imean that was what I was gonna
say was it could have beenlonger, like we could have left
earlier.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
We could have left earlier and stayed on the road
longer, but we had.
We had things.
I mean there was a financialreality.
Right, we had, yeah, we had acertain amount of money and we
also had, yeah, we had mattnelson's wedding at christmas.
So we had like things that weknew we were about for.
And then you had that hawaiitrip on the starting of it,
which put the start date.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
That's right, that's right yeah, so, yeah, so I think
that's I think that's where mymy first question came from is
like places to go back andrevisit.
Now.
It's like that's why I kind ofwant to go back and be like,
instead of an afternoon, I'dlove to spend three days there.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
That's fair.
Great question, yeah, great,great point.
Um, if you had to move to astate we visited today, like you
had to pack up your family?
Speaker 2 (23:50):
and move.
That was one of my questionstoo.
Okay, we finally got one wherewe like.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Pretty good.
They're not aligned, though.
For most of these questionsthey're good questions.
Okay, yeah, you got to justpack up right now, andrew, you
have to go, and we drove to iton the road trip.
So I know your cheater answerwas going to be Tennessee,
because your family's there, butwe didn't go to Tennessee
you're right, we didn't testTennessee, so you can't do it
South Dakota love it.
(24:18):
You're prepping for Averymoving to school there.
Is that the plan she's been?
Speaker 2 (24:26):
pre-selected to South Dakota State and every other
college they have.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
They take all living creatures.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Gosh, that's a tough one.
I've thought about a coupledifferent states over time.
I think I could probably doColorado, Okay, fair.
And even though we spent veryminimal time in North and South
Carolina, I think there areprobably.
I think those two are probablycontenders as well.
(24:57):
Sure, Let me think real quickabout any others.
No, I think really what itcomes down to.
A big part of it is the weathertoo.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
I don't know if I could handle living in a place
that got a lot of snow, a toughwinter?
I know it would be tough.
That's what I'm thinking, toolike it would probably.
I mean my cheater answer isalabama, because I've lived
there and we drove through it.
Yeah, so I'm not gonna use thatum, but I kind of agree with you
.
I think that I would do a northcarolina um south carolina, I
don't know, maybe north carolinathere's a lot of cool parts of
north carolina um southcarolina's.
(25:31):
I don't know, maybe northcarolina there's a lot of cool
parts of north carolina umthere's some neat parts of new
mexico new, hmm, I know, I know,but I just thought it out there
like santa quick, santa Fequick side note.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
I was over at my father-in-law's house the other
day and he's he's watching theshow.
That's like it goes state bystate and it shows like
different and and there was anepisode on New Mexico and it was
like there's a lot of peoplewho tried to start towns here
and then they eventually movedoff or died Cause it's so hard
to live in new Mexico.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
I can see that Cause there's no resources.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
There's nothing Very, very, very hot, but yeah.
I I've never been really toSanta Fe, or but I'm not so.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
I'm going like to North Carolina.
I agree with you, I don't thinkI need to do snow.
I could live in Michiganbecause I have some family there
and so many memories.
Yeah, for sure.
But yeah, maine, new Hampshireno, no way.
No, couldn't do it, none ofthose.
New York, no, no.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
None of those Interesting.
How we both said, probably ourfavorite place is Savannah,
georgia, but neither of us chosethat as a place to live.
I favorite place is savannah,georgia, but neither of us chose
(27:05):
that as a place to live, Iwould hard one, because it's a
bit like.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
That is a really hard one.
Do you have one?
I say one, but I really feellike I'm going to influence your
answer.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Well, okay, I don't know if this is it, but I
immediately thought the veryfirst day.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Okay, great choice Because it began.
I immediately thought the veryfirst day.
Okay, great, great choicebecause it began the world.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Like the anticipation , like we are sure we are, we
have set sail it's happeningedwards.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
There you are our last person we know.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Yeah, bye going, we drive, we're hitting the road.
It's just all smiles.
Oh my gosh, we're actuallydoing this, it's happening.
What adventures are we going tohave?
Like?
There's so many things, so thatI think is a I think I'll stick
with that.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
There's some other ones.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
I think probably as a close tie is like the day at
the cottage in michigan ridingsco.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Oh, how do you beat that?
How do you beat that?
I, I went, I went right to umand again, I think it's unfair
because it was so crazybeforehand.
But the day we got the Jeep inSavannah and we're just cruising
in Savannah, it's finally warm,it's finally not gray, the
roof's off, the doors are off,Like there's just something
(28:30):
about that day that just hit.
You know, perfect mark, youknow oh yeah.
Yeah, but you, you, you, youhave some great days too, yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Um, okay, I've got one more.
Okay, well, I've got a couplemore, but I'll ask this one last
one.
Okay, I think this is a goodone to close the questions on.
I, I'll ask this one last one.
Okay, I think this is a goodone to close the questions on.
I love it.
What advice would you have foranybody who is considering or
(29:03):
planning to do any kind of roadtrip?
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Yeah, boy, there should be a lot of advice.
I am going to say go back tothe surprise and say I think who
you do it with is incrediblyimportant, because I do think
that this could so quickly havebeen a different story.
If it, we could have been 15days in and just angry at each
other for for two weeks.
Yeah, like that, that's on thetable.
(29:28):
Like that that's on the tablefor a group of people.
We could have been 15 days inand just angry at each other for
for two weeks.
Yeah, like that's that's on thetable.
Like that that's on the tablefor a group of people.
And if you did that, it doesn'tmatter how nice the RV is, it
doesn't matter the routes youplan, it doesn't matter that.
So, like, that would be mynumber one.
Like, make sure you can do itwith that person, make sure you
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can make it.
My number two would probably besomething I loved the way we
did it with the a certain amountof plan, but very flexible.
Like, yeah, I think it wouldhave been really hard and bad if
we just were like this is theitinerary and we played all 93
days or whatever it was 85, yeah, on the front end and just laid
it all out and had calledeverywhere.
I think we had the right amountof flexibility to the right
(30:15):
amount of plan that we needed.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Yeah, yeah, I would tend to agree.
I think that is my.
That's what I would go with toois probably like bullet points,
right, what are a couple thingsyou really want to do?
But give yourself enough timeand flexibility to take a little
bit of a detour or spend alittle bit more time there, or,
(30:44):
yeah, just be a little bit opento whatever you see on the road
and be able to see something andbe able to see something and be
like, hey, I didn't know aboutthat, let's go check it out as
opposed to no.
No, no, we got to be here atnine o'clock Maybe next time.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
So, I think you're right.
I would agree that that's agood.
So that flexibility, um, thatwas good.
I'm glad we did that.
I'm glad we did that.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Yeah, I think this has been probably a terrible
episode, but for you and I, thishas been really enjoyable.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
I actually think people are sitting on the edge
of their seat going that wasgood they are.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
They're like, we want to hear so much more.
I hope they do a season two.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
But wait.
I also I think that there's onething that, just because
there's the road trip and nowthere's the 20 years later
reflection on the road trip, Ithink that one of the things
that I would say about thisexperience is partly we've been
talking about doing this forever, but one of the most important
(31:53):
things that I have taken awayfrom this is you, at our age,
have to work to get togetherregularly with the people you
care for, and you just need tomake it happen, because it's too
hard at our stage of life toget together regularly unless
you just like you do somethinglike this, you do a project, you
make an intentional something,so like that.
I remember part of why weactually started was because one
(32:14):
of us had heard matt damon andben affleck talk about how, like
they like to be together butthey don't see each other enough
.
So they make movies right,they're different, right,
different genre than us,different amount of wealth and
fame.
But I think that that'simportant is, I think
relationships take so much moreintentionality and and I just
(32:34):
think that that's part of what'sabout this project as well is
like let's do this because welike to be together.
There's something importantabout that and it's not going to
happen unless we make it happen.
And so, like for you, thelistener, I would say the same
thing, like if you have a groupof people, whatever, do the work
to get together, like make ithappen, because it doesn't.
(32:56):
Once you're out of college itdoesn't randomly happen anymore,
it just doesn't.
And especially if you're a guylike I think us guys were worse
at relationships than our ladycounterparts and I would just
say, like, do something,whatever it is, to make that
happen.
So that's a reflection on thistime together.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
And let me just comment on that really quick.
If you are a lady listener,it's funny just by itself.
If you're a lady listener andthere is a certain someone male
in your life.
Encourage them to do thingswith their guy friends, because
we'll just default to not doingit, and it's really helpful
(33:39):
Anytime.
Mary has been like hey you'regoing to go to that men's
retreat with church throughchurch, and I'm like, oh, okay,
and then I go and it's great,you know, or whatever, so being
an encourager to get yourstubborn, stupid man out the
door and doing stuff with.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
I love it, I think it's important, and so just yeah
, okay, well, that was end ofseason one.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
End of season one, but just the beginning.
I mean not really.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
It's been a whole year.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
It's been a whole year it's just a year, a whole
year.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
We did a thing for a whole year.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Look at us you've done something too.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
What an accomplishment especially if
you're the listener who listenedin one whole day to all of
these episodes.
You're done.
Yep, bye, everybody.
See you later.
Hello listener, by now you know the deal.
This is our final episode ofthe first season of Kings of the
Road podcast.
If this is your first episodeyou're listening to, you have a
journey in front of you.
Don't listen to this episode.
Stop.
Go back to the first episode,listen all the way through 50
episodes, come back to thisepisode I don't know Like a day
(00:46):
or two and then listen and wewill wrap up what you have heard
.
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Speaker 2 (01:10):
Honk the horns, ring the bells, jump off the diving
board.
Yeah, I mean, if you have one,if you have one, do it.
Yeah, I wonder how long itwould take you to get from
season one all the way to hereif you were to go nonstop back
to back, do you think?
Speaker 1 (01:31):
I think we have something like 56 episodes.
Yeah, we're roughly about 20 to30 minutes, so okay.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Somewhere a little longer.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Yeah, so about, there's a couple of longer, so
probably about a day of content,a day of content, a day of
content, a day of content Golly24 hours.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
You could just nonstop for 24 hours.
Listen to Scott and I in yourhead In your ear holes.
Could you imagine a better wayto spend 24 solid hours?
Speaker 1 (01:59):
No, if you're road tripping right now and you're
just go back to episode one,just start.
If you've heard it where hewants, go back.
We've learned some things alongthe way.
Um, let's start with justtalking about the fact that
there will be a season two,because we have enjoyed this and
, um, we are glad to do this.
It's good for us, it's good forour friendship, it's good for
(02:22):
you as a listener, I think.
Oh for sure.
Maybe the number one.
I think we have decided to doseason two and what it's going
to be is it's going to be defendyour state and we're going to
take this in chunks.
We'll probably do 10 to 12 at atime release like season two,
with 10 or 12 states beingdefended.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
That'll come out sometime in the spring, late
winter, early spring of 2025.
Fair, fair, committing tosomething here, I think that's
good.
Yeah, it is.
I'm giving us a big we got this, we got this down on air yeah,
so that we will commit to it.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Yes, we've got to find because what we're going to
try is to do it a little likehave them all recorded in the
bank, yeah, and we'll.
We're going to try to step upour game just a little as far as
like, okay, what does it looklike to have a planned strategy
for like launching it and thenhaving, uh, other posts go up at
the same time and you know,like interesting things like
which, which reminds me fromlast week, or the last episode
(03:24):
that we released, theapplications for our social
media intern have beenoverwhelming.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Oh good, yes, I mean we haven't got any yet, but I
just feel like.
There's so many people who haveit like pretty high now on
their to-do list of like yeah,I'm gonna contact these guys so
that I could do that for themfor free.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Yeah, thank you for free, um.
So so get that done, that'scoming out, get that to us.
If you have a state you want todefend, we have some lined up
um, but we would love to haveyou on and then you could put on
your resume.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Guest on the kings of the road podcast, which opens
doors wide open yeah, you, youput that on the resume and you
can pretty much get any job.
You're a thought leader at thatpoint.
Influencer, yeah, whatever elseis buzzing around on linkedin,
you can put that right on theresume.
But you know what?
(04:20):
It's fun too.
And don't be intimidated,because it's just a conversation
around the kitchen table.
Like we said very much at thebeginning, we just want to have
conversations with people.
So if you're at all, interestedand you've got a state that you
want to defend.
Now what does that mean?
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Exactly.
I think it means pitch it to usand get someone to go.
I really should go there.
Yeah, we're not going to attackyou, but we are, I think, going
to say, hey, what about thisthing?
We've heard about that stateand you're like, okay, yes,
there are sinkholes in Floridaand how do we avoid them?
Right, you would have to beable to be ready with that.
(04:57):
But also, we want to fall inlove with your state.
Our goal is not for us to sayno, our goal is to say no.
Our goals say yes, go, remember, we're the go-on-adventure
people.
We are not thedon't-go-to-that-state people,
except for Florida and SouthDakota, but other than those two
, we might be.
We're ready.
We're ready to fall in love.
We're on Tinder, swiping leftor right, don't remember which
(05:18):
one's the right way.
Yeah, I don't know, but yeah, Iwould love to State Tinder.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
We hope to learn something about states that
maybe are a little bit unknown.
You know, hey, you're from Iowa.
What is it about Iowa that wedon't know that maybe we should
know to be like gosh?
I would love to check that out.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Iowa State Fair sounds like a hoot.
It does sound like a hoot, andI do think there's a big deal
about it, maybe it doesn't, wedon't know.
So that's season two that'scoming up, and you are going to
be a part of it.
We can't wait to talk aboutwith you, about your state.
Today, though, we're going towrap up our journey and have
some overall reflections, andthe way we're going to start our
(06:02):
overall reflections is Andrewand I have prepared questions
for each other, and they'regeneralized questions about the
road trip, and we're going toask one another these questions.
We do not know them in advance,so I do not know his questions,
he doesn't know my questions,so if they happen to line up,
it'll just be because we spent alot of time together in a
motorhome and they might line up, but we thought it was a good
(06:23):
way to get started.
And then just some overallthoughts on doing the podcast
and that.
So that's kind of our journeytoday.
Sound good?
Yeah, let's do it.
Okay, you want to go first, orlet me go first?
Go for it?
Hit me, okay.
Are you ready?
Yes, when you are old and in ahome which I know is coming up,
(06:45):
oh God, what is one person thatyou will remember from the trip?
Oh, oh, what's one person?
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Yeah, that's a good question.
I don't know if there's justone person, but I'm gonna.
I'm gonna hope that that oneperson is ramon, if you recall
yeah, if you remember, back toum iowa.
Yeah, ramon was the uh, I guessfacilities guy at yeah at the
(07:23):
church that we uh stopped with,that Paul and Renee Spalding
worked at and he was, I forget,shoot.
I forget exactly where he wasfrom, but somewhere to the south
, oh yeah, and he was just fullof life and super funny and just
instantly loved the guy.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Just so much great energy, he went to the pool
party with the Speedo.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
He's the guy who showed up at the church pool
party in a Speedo.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
A lot in Iowa.
Yeah, a lot of great people.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
But yeah, I think.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Ramon would be a great one to cheer me up.
You know, who I thought youwere going to say Was our friend
from Denver who we went tolunch with, a boy, oh, clark
Clark.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
I thought I was like I was ready for Clark.
Yeah, clark would be anothergood one.
I know you think just a littlebit further about this and it's
like oh, and this person andthat person and that person, but
Ramon's a good choice.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
What about you?
What about you?
I, so I think it was, um, well,it would probably be either
Scott Cleveland or the um, thewoman who I'm just trying to
mention a name, that we made themural at in the Savannah um
(08:37):
thing, because that was such acool like I don't know making
that and and helping aroundthere.
So I just think that was areally neat thing.
So, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
All right, all right, here we go.
Yeah, of everywhere we traveledon the trip, yeah, what's one
place?
Like just right now noteventually in the future, but
like right now.
You'd be wanting to go back andvisit just right now, maybe
because you just want to see itagain or you just want to spend
(09:07):
more time there.
Just one place If you're likehey, spring break, let's go.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
I think I am going to say Maine, maine, because I
think when we when we talkedabout Maine, when we um
interviewed um jason about maine, like, and then I've seen some
of those main cabin mastersepisodes, there's some great
(09:34):
looking like lakes oh, yeah,there to hang out on the
lobsters, great, um, so yeah,that that to me is like
immediately, like if this now,not today, so it's december
right now, but like spring breaktrip, if you say like, where
would you go today, that's awhole different answer.
But right, I do I think withinthe next year.
Yeah, yeah okay, is there onethat jumps out?
Speaker 2 (09:58):
yeah, for me.
I don't know why, but I I wouldlove to go back through some of
the national parks in the Westhere, like Zion specifically.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Um, we just well, you saw Yellowstone too, which is
like I have not been toYellowstone, so that's a good
call.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
That would be fun, but we haven't yeah.
Zion was yeah, zion, we justkind of ran through it, cause it
was like day two or three orfour.
It was quick yeah, and we justkind of drove through, but there
is so much that I would love togo and just spend a while
exploring further.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Zion or Bryce, both of those close by too.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Not that far, because that's possible.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Arches is cool.
Utah is a real interestingstate.
Yep, okay, where in themotorhome is your favorite spot?
Speaker 2 (10:51):
hmm, where in the motorhome.
You know?
It's funny, as you say, that Ihave not been in that motorhome
in at least I don't know howlong after your parents kept it,
but let's just call it 20 years.
But I still know every inch ofthat motorhome.
I feel like my favorite spot, Ithink.
(11:12):
Honestly, I think, the driver'sseat.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Okay, great answer.
Love, it Right, I mean becauseyou're sitting there.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
That means you're going somewhere, You're looking
at the road and it's comfortable.
And you're sitting there, thatmeans you're going somewhere,
you're looking at the road andit's comfortable.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
And you got that big wheel and it's shocking how easy
you can put miles on in themotorhome, like we just drove
back last night from trip up tosacramento and like car miles
suck compared to motorhome miles.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Yeah, but even milder arms feel different.
I do because it's like, yeah,and for a kid too.
It's not like being confined toa car seat, it's sort of like
there's this freedom and best Idon't have two answers, I'm
gonna say okay either the table,which is yeah, there's a great
place like especially.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
It's just great.
We just did a lot better on thetable and also it's really hard
to go away from how greatmotorhome naps are.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
I thought that's what you would say.
I was thinking you wouldprobably say the bunk above the
cab with the fan on, Becausewith that when you're going down
the road.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Still, I think that nap is the best nap in the world
.
Just a little noise, a littlebreeze.
Would you nap in the back?
Speaker 2 (12:24):
sofa or the top.
You would noise little littlebreeze.
Wait did you?
Would you nap in the back sofaor the top?
You would go up top where didyou nap?
Speaker 1 (12:29):
because did you nap in my bed, then?
Because you're, you must havenapped in my bed, probably
napped down below on my bed.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
You think the back lounge?
I think so okay okay, okay,okay, uh.
Next question here what do youthink was the biggest surprise
that you encountered on the trip?
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Oh, what a great.
This is good.
I'm glad we did it this way.
I like this I.
The first thing that popped inmy mind, which is what I'm going
to go with, is and this isprobably going to probably a
little bit mushy I think it issurprising how well we got along
, like, yeah, all in all, thatcould have gone so poorly for
(13:18):
two humans.
That's like that's a greatpoint.
(13:40):
Years and there still wasn'tany times I mean every six
months, I expected a note on mytable about me not doing the
dishes and that they have to bedone by four o'clock today or
I'll sort of move out.
Oh, yeah, I mean in general,like I think and this comes with
(14:01):
also the fact that, like yes,we knew each other very well, so
it's not like we didn't knoweach other well, sure, but I
don't think I could havepredicted.
I would have thought on the waythere, there's going to be a
day or two where it's just bad.
I think that'd be expected.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
I don't did you go into it thinking that?
Speaker 1 (14:24):
I'm just saying, if you had asked me, then like is
that gonna happen?
Sure, and I would be like, ofcourse, like two people can't be
that close for 90 days straightand have no, you know, like
there's gonna be something thathappens where somebody does
something.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Just just life, right , like just the way, yeah and
and this is one of those thingswhere, when time passes, you
forget some of these littleannoyances and yeah, and bad
things, but I really like, whenI really think about it, I don't
think we like we're not havinga great time the whole time you
(15:00):
know, I mean sure there wasprobably some spots where we
were maybe a little bit boredCause like yeah, Bored for
somewhere.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
But yeah, bored is, yeah, exactly.
The only thing like I mean wejoked about it but like, yes,
you get a little snippy when youdon't eat, but that's just like
okay was when I spilled the redKool-Aid all over the blinds.
Oh man, yes, that was to be.
I think you were a littleirritated at that point, which
(15:26):
is fair.
But I think even, and maybebecause we both knew that,
living in that space of the twoof us, I am 100% the messier of
the two of us.
But I think there was no choicereally.
You just had to put yourclothes away.
You had to do the dish.
To put your clothes away, youhad to like do the dish, put it
right away, like there wasn't.
You couldn't let messaccumulate because there was no
(15:49):
space for it to accumulate.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Yeah, and I I think you you did a pretty good job,
in particular of that Cause.
Yeah, that would have probablydriven me mad.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Well, it's not my normal mode too Right.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Right, it's not my normal mode too, right, right,
but yeah, you really have no, nochance.
Well it looks from this angle,it looks pretty good actually in
your office.
But, uh, yeah, okay, that's agood one.
That's yeah, you're right, likewhen, when you think about it,
and maybe I hadn't consideredthat.
But as as the listener, I'mcurious to know if you listen or
think how did these guysactually survive living together
on the road?
Because you see, like couplesdoing that, you know, like a lot
(16:26):
of couples travel and we know,in marriages and things,
especially when you're on theroad, and yeah there's gonna be
things, but like I don't no, Idon't I think we pretty much had
a, a good time, the whole timekind of felt.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
I also I mean, think that we fell into in some ways,
like acknowledging what we'reboth pretty good at Right.
Yeah, in, like, okay, I woulddo the phone calls, I would like
to lay those things out.
You know you were trying to getus to work and do this
different thing, so, like Ithink it was yeah, okay, okay,
do you have something tosurprise you quick?
(17:01):
Or I don't want it to.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
You know I don't.
I think.
One thing that did surprise meI'll keep this one short is I.
I think I had an expectation,going into this road trip, that
I was going to find my nextchapter in my life of where I'm
going to move to and live, grewup, all you know, in Southern
California, went to college.
I fully expected to be like,okay, this place I'm in love
(17:30):
with, I'm moving here, yeah.
And when I got home I was likeI'm supposed to stay here in
southern california.
Yeah, great places on the trip,but I felt like home was home
yeah, I also feel like I do.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
I guess the part of me is surprised that you never
moved, because I feel like therewas still talk of you moving
after we got back, Like I mean,we always talked about like
Coeur d'Alene, oh yeah, therewas always some like I guess I'm
a little surprised you nevertried it for a little while.
Well, yeah, Because we talkedabout it a lot, but also we were
traveling.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Yeah, yeah, I don't think I ever did, because I
think I mean.
This is what I've come tobelieve as as I've gotten older.
Is you, you tend to stay in aplace because of the people that
are in that place, Right, Moreso than anything else.
So, like I would probably verymuch enjoy living somewhere else
(18:21):
, but, um, it's not how you know, you are the people the tuesday
afternoon or the sundayafternoon, when you want to go
see friends or family for dinneror whatever, and you're like,
oh, there aren't any, andgranted, you make new friends
and people move all the timeit's hard, though it's hard, but
yeah, it was just neversomething that you know.
And then you get into life, andI think that's a big thing.
A theme of this trip is you.
(18:42):
You start to get into life andyou get a job, and you get
things, and you getrelationships, and then this
sort of adventure becomes moreand more difficult.
It does for sure, for sure, andyou have to turn up the
intentionality to make it happen.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
So um, for sure, yeah , yeah, all right, okay, hit me
Okay.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
What is one food memory?
One food memory oh gosh,there's so many.
One food memory.
I just the one one that popsinto my head is White Castle
burgers.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Nice, nice.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Not a good food memory.
I'm not saying it was good butit was one of those things where
it's like you hear about WhiteCastle burgers your whole life
and you're like, okay, we're inMichigan, we're going to try a
White Castle burger.
You'd had them before, soyou're like let's go in there.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
I did these things called sliders.
Yep, you're like you order like30 of them or something.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
And then you get them and they are disgusting and
you're like seriously, isn't itBeastie Boys who rap about them,
right?
Speaker 1 (19:58):
I don't know.
I feel like there's a wrapper,that like we had heard about
them even before, because theylike shown up in like rap songs
in our childhood.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Oh yeah, I'm sure, I'm sure, yeah, but yeah they're
kind of like gray yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
No, they're steamed.
I definitely thought you weregoing to go with lobster ice
cream.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Oh, no, no, I've tried to erase that from the
memory.
That's just default.
Boop, yep, yep.
Okay, there's so many choices.
What I mean.
If I were to guess for you,it'd be Mrs Wilkes, but that's
just because you probably thinkabout that every day.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
But it would.
Yeah, no, I mean I, I made meto know that lobster.
It's funny, cause the firstthing that came to mind was like
the amount of times they likeapplebees and like chilies,
right, like just random crap.
That really, like we shouldn'thave done, like we should have
probably just like boughtreheatable meals like the 42
year old scott's, like buy somestuff from tracer joe's, throw
in the microwave like fill up.
(20:53):
But that's what we were doing.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
You know what I mean yeah, but you got to remember
too like we would drive all dayand we needed to get out, like
you don't the last thing, you todo is like just then sit in the
motorhome and eat a mealquietly.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
I hadn't thought of it that way.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
There was an entertainment factor to going
into.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Applebee's, you're right, just getting out of the
motorhome.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Yeah, and the world.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
the baseball playoffs were on and like so it was it
was something to do as much asit was a meal, it was an, an
event.
That's a good point.
I like that.
That's a good point Also likeAnchor Bar.
I mean that was.
That's still some of thosewings were some of the best
wings ever, as it should be.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Anchor Bar Buffalo, new York.
Biggest regret.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Biggest regret I this is maybe a surprise, so I may
have thought that was a regret Iwas.
This is maybe a surpriseSomebody else thought that was a
regret.
I was going to say like I kindof thought that we would venture
into more like random, likejump on our sailboat and try
this kind of thing, and thatlike never happened, you know,
because we were two totalstrangers.
(22:01):
Boy, yeah, a simple one.
But I guess I regret the factthat we lost the pooper tank at
the end and like it all, it allhad to shift so much.
Um, I don't know how muchlonger would it stay on the road
(22:21):
.
I don't know like what that endwould have looked like, but it
it definitely changed everything.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Yeah.
You know, yeah, I think for meand I think this was a trade-off
, but I think for me the regretwas moving as quickly as we did.
I think I would have liked tohave stayed in certain places a
little bit longer and exploremore deeply.
(22:50):
Yeah, fair, but at the sametime, we had a plan to travel
around the whole country and wehad to be back by a certain and
maybe date, and I mean yeah Imean that was what I was gonna
say was it could have beenlonger, like we could have left
earlier.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
We could have left earlier and stayed on the road
longer, but we had.
We had things.
I mean there was a financialreality.
Right, we had, yeah, we had acertain amount of money and we
also had, yeah, we had mattnelson's wedding at christmas.
So we had like things that weknew we were about for.
And then you had that hawaiitrip on the starting of it,
which put the start date.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
That's right, that's right yeah, so, yeah, so I think
that's I think that's where mymy first question came from is
like places to go back andrevisit.
Now.
It's like that's why I kind ofwant to go back and be like,
instead of an afternoon, I'dlove to spend three days there.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
That's fair.
Great question, yeah, great,great point.
Um, if you had to move to astate we visited today, like you
had to pack up your family?
Speaker 2 (23:50):
and move.
That was one of my questionstoo.
Okay, we finally got one wherewe like.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Pretty good.
They're not aligned, though.
For most of these questionsthey're good questions.
Okay, yeah, you got to justpack up right now, andrew, you
have to go, and we drove to iton the road trip.
So I know your cheater answerwas going to be Tennessee,
because your family's there, butwe didn't go to Tennessee
you're right, we didn't testTennessee, so you can't do it
South Dakota love it.
(24:18):
You're prepping for Averymoving to school there.
Is that the plan she's been?
Speaker 2 (24:26):
pre-selected to South Dakota State and every other
college they have.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
They take all living creatures.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Gosh, that's a tough one.
I've thought about a coupledifferent states over time.
I think I could probably doColorado, Okay, fair.
And even though we spent veryminimal time in North and South
Carolina, I think there areprobably.
I think those two are probablycontenders as well.
(24:57):
Sure, Let me think real quickabout any others.
No, I think really what itcomes down to.
A big part of it is the weathertoo.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
I don't know if I could handle living in a place
that got a lot of snow, a toughwinter?
I know it would be tough.
That's what I'm thinking, toolike it would probably.
I mean my cheater answer isalabama, because I've lived
there and we drove through it.
Yeah, so I'm not gonna use thatum, but I kind of agree with you
.
I think that I would do a northcarolina um south carolina, I
don't know, maybe north carolinathere's a lot of cool parts of
north carolina um southcarolina's.
(25:31):
I don't know, maybe northcarolina there's a lot of cool
parts of north carolina umthere's some neat parts of new
mexico new, hmm, I know, I know,but I just thought it out there
like santa quick, santa Fequick side note.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
I was over at my father-in-law's house the other
day and he's he's watching theshow.
That's like it goes state bystate and it shows like
different and and there was anepisode on New Mexico and it was
like there's a lot of peoplewho tried to start towns here
and then they eventually movedoff or died Cause it's so hard
to live in new Mexico.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
I can see that Cause there's no resources.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
There's nothing Very, very, very hot, but yeah.
I I've never been really toSanta Fe, or but I'm not so.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
I'm going like to North Carolina.
I agree with you, I don't thinkI need to do snow.
I could live in Michiganbecause I have some family there
and so many memories.
Yeah, for sure.
But yeah, maine, new Hampshireno, no way.
No, couldn't do it, none ofthose.
New York, no, no.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
None of those Interesting.
How we both said, probably ourfavorite place is Savannah,
georgia, but neither of us chosethat as a place to live.
I favorite place is savannah,georgia, but neither of us chose
(27:05):
that as a place to live, Iwould hard one, because it's a
bit like.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
That is a really hard one.
Do you have one?
I say one, but I really feellike I'm going to influence your
answer.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Well, okay, I don't know if this is it, but I
immediately thought the veryfirst day.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Okay, great choice Because it began.
I immediately thought the veryfirst day.
Okay, great, great choicebecause it began the world.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Like the anticipation , like we are sure we are, we
have set sail it's happeningedwards.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
There you are our last person we know.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Yeah, bye going, we drive, we're hitting the road.
It's just all smiles.
Oh my gosh, we're actuallydoing this, it's happening.
What adventures are we going tohave?
Like?
There's so many things, so thatI think is a I think I'll stick
with that.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
There's some other ones.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
I think probably as a close tie is like the day at
the cottage in michigan ridingsco.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Oh, how do you beat that?
How do you beat that?
I, I went, I went right to umand again, I think it's unfair
because it was so crazybeforehand.
But the day we got the Jeep inSavannah and we're just cruising
in Savannah, it's finally warm,it's finally not gray, the
roof's off, the doors are off,Like there's just something
(28:30):
about that day that just hit.
You know, perfect mark, youknow oh yeah.
Yeah, but you, you, you, youhave some great days too, yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Um, okay, I've got one more.
Okay, well, I've got a couplemore, but I'll ask this one last
one.
Okay, I think this is a goodone to close the questions on.
I, I'll ask this one last one.
Okay, I think this is a goodone to close the questions on.
I love it.
What advice would you have foranybody who is considering or
(29:03):
planning to do any kind of roadtrip?
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Yeah, boy, there should be a lot of advice.
I am going to say go back tothe surprise and say I think who
you do it with is incrediblyimportant, because I do think
that this could so quickly havebeen a different story.
If it, we could have been 15days in and just angry at each
other for for two weeks.
Yeah, like that, that's on thetable.
(29:28):
Like that that's on the tablefor a group of people.
We could have been 15 days inand just angry at each other for
for two weeks.
Yeah, like that's that's on thetable.
Like that that's on the tablefor a group of people.
And if you did that, it doesn'tmatter how nice the RV is, it
doesn't matter the routes youplan, it doesn't matter that.
So, like, that would be mynumber one.
Like, make sure you can do itwith that person, make sure you
(29:54):
can make it.
My number two would probably besomething I loved the way we
did it with the a certain amountof plan, but very flexible.
Like, yeah, I think it wouldhave been really hard and bad if
we just were like this is theitinerary and we played all 93
days or whatever it was 85, yeah, on the front end and just laid
it all out and had calledeverywhere.
I think we had the right amountof flexibility to the right
(30:15):
amount of plan that we needed.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Yeah, yeah, I would tend to agree.
I think that is my.
That's what I would go with toois probably like bullet points,
right, what are a couple thingsyou really want to do?
But give yourself enough timeand flexibility to take a little
bit of a detour or spend alittle bit more time there, or,
(30:44):
yeah, just be a little bit opento whatever you see on the road
and be able to see something andbe able to see something and be
like, hey, I didn't know aboutthat, let's go check it out as
opposed to no.
No, no, we got to be here atnine o'clock Maybe next time.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
So, I think you're right.
I would agree that that's agood.
So that flexibility, um, thatwas good.
I'm glad we did that.
I'm glad we did that.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Yeah, I think this has been probably a terrible
episode, but for you and I, thishas been really enjoyable.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
I actually think people are sitting on the edge
of their seat going that wasgood they are.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
They're like, we want to hear so much more.
I hope they do a season two.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
But wait.
I also I think that there's onething that, just because
there's the road trip and nowthere's the 20 years later
reflection on the road trip, Ithink that one of the things
that I would say about thisexperience is partly we've been
talking about doing this forever, but one of the most important
(31:53):
things that I have taken awayfrom this is you, at our age,
have to work to get togetherregularly with the people you
care for, and you just need tomake it happen, because it's too
hard at our stage of life toget together regularly unless
you just like you do somethinglike this, you do a project, you
make an intentional something,so like that.
I remember part of why weactually started was because one
(32:14):
of us had heard matt damon andben affleck talk about how, like
they like to be together butthey don't see each other enough
.
So they make movies right,they're different, right,
different genre than us,different amount of wealth and
fame.
But I think that that'simportant is, I think
relationships take so much moreintentionality and and I just
(32:34):
think that that's part of what'sabout this project as well is
like let's do this because welike to be together.
There's something importantabout that and it's not going to
happen unless we make it happen.
And so, like for you, thelistener, I would say the same
thing, like if you have a groupof people, whatever, do the work
to get together, like make ithappen, because it doesn't.
(32:56):
Once you're out of college itdoesn't randomly happen anymore,
it just doesn't.
And especially if you're a guylike I think us guys were worse
at relationships than our ladycounterparts and I would just
say, like, do something,whatever it is, to make that
happen.
So that's a reflection on thistime together.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
And let me just comment on that really quick.
If you are a lady listener,it's funny just by itself.
If you're a lady listener andthere is a certain someone male
in your life.
Encourage them to do thingswith their guy friends, because
we'll just default to not doingit, and it's really helpful
(33:39):
Anytime.
Mary has been like hey you'regoing to go to that men's
retreat with church throughchurch, and I'm like, oh, okay,
and then I go and it's great,you know, or whatever, so being
an encourager to get yourstubborn, stupid man out the
door and doing stuff with.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
I love it, I think it's important, and so just yeah
, okay, well, that was end ofseason one.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
End of season one, but just the beginning.
I mean not really.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
It's been a whole year.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
It's been a whole year it's just a year, a whole
year.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
We did a thing for a whole year.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Look at us you've done something too.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
What an accomplishment especially if
you're the listener who listenedin one whole day to all of
these episodes.
You're done.
Yep, bye, everybody.
See you later.
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