Dr. Benjamin Kosubevsky: Heavy Metals, Hyperoxygenation, and the Power of Chelation

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
So Andres is right now sitting across from me.
He's got both his arms spreadout in front of him.
He's got IVs in both arms.
Blood's coming out of one armgoing back into the other.
It's running through this wholebig fancy collection of tubes
under the light.
There's some pump happening.
We're filtering his blood,reducing inflammation, running
it under an ultraviolet lightand then back into his other arm

(00:22):
.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
Yeah, you're a mad scientist.
You know that.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
I've heard that before about this thing.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
Yeah, this is just unbelievable, man Wow.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
So here's where it gets really interesting.
Someone pointed this out to me,and it's made perfect sense
ever since we're in roughly thefourth to fifth generation since
the Industrial Revolution, andso what happens is moms pass the
babies, moms pass the babiesover and over and over, and so
that's where this arise ofthings like ADHD and other
psychiatric things are comingfrom.

(00:52):
Is that we're finally reachinga bioavailability concentration
of mercury that's high enough totrigger these problems.
Generation one maybe some ofthem got affected, but not most.
Generation two, slightly moreRight.
So it's bioaccumulating periodand it gets passed on.
We've reached that tippingpoint now where more people than
not will be affected by theirlevel.
Holy shit that's terrifying.

(01:14):
Yeah, this happened earlier thisyear.
A company got flagged by thestate of California for having
too much lead in theircinnamon-flavored applesauce,
and when the FDA investigated,their first answer was well,
there's no federal limit on theamount of lead allowed in food.
And so, as the FDA investigatedfurther, a whistleblower
actually came out and said well,there's monetary involvement.
And the other one did you hearabout the?

(01:36):
It was baby.
I forget the company.
Baby oat cereal, like cerealfor babies without oats, had
like four times the amount ofglyphosate allowed.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
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So we're back here, I'm hookedup to the Eboo, we're in your
wonderful medical facility, inyour office, dr.
Dr k, it's great to see youagain yeah, you too uh, you know
, I've already had the chance tofeel so much better now, after
just a couple sessions in inhere, and I feel so much better,
yes, since the heavy metalchelation that we did.

(05:59):
Now we're hooked to the eboo.
Yeah, uh, which is afascinating machine that you've
built and assembled Well, thatyou've designed I will say
designed and I've got two IVs,one in each arm.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
So, first and foremost, welcome to the show.
It's nice to have you finallyon this podcast and yeah, let's
jump right into it, man.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
Yeah, thank you for having me.
I'm excited you're here.
You know we're doing this so wecan spread the word and really
teach people what Eboo is andhow it can change your life.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
Yeah, so what exactly ?
Before we jump in, can youdescribe the scene for those who
don't have eyes to the video,those who are tuning in and be
driving to or from work rightnow?

Speaker 1 (06:42):
Yeah.
So Andreas is right now sittingacross from me.
He's got both his arms spreadout in front of him.
He's got IVs in both arms.
Blood's coming out of one armgoing back into the other.
It's running through this wholebig fancy collection of tubes.
Under the light there's somepump happening.
We're filtering his blood,reducing inflammation, running

(07:02):
it under an ultraviolet lightand then back into his other arm
.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
Yeah, you're a mad scientist.
You know that.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
I've heard that before about this thing.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
Yeah, this is just unbelievable, man.
Wow.
And I mean you can start to see.
That's the color difference youwere describing right Between
the blood that's coming out andthe blood that's going back in.
So the blood that's coming backin seems to be a lot brighter
redder so it's hyperoxygenated.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
Yeah, that's exactly what's happening.
It's akin to taking venousblood and turning it into
arterial blood and then.
So basically, what this does isit pumps in roughly 30% more
oxygen per cell, and so we'rejust hyperoxygenating all of
your tissue, and when we do that, you know, we're able to bring
oxygen to less oxygenated partsof your body, like your eyes,

(07:48):
your hands, your feet, yourkidneys, places that normally
last in line for oxygen.
We're now suddenly getting aton more, so I've had patients
tell me that they could even seebetter after doing this.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
Wow, that's unbelievable.
So it supports the entire body.
I mean it's a systemic benefitthat you can derive from therapy
like this and something Ientire body.
I mean it's a systemic benefitthat you can derive from therapy
like this.
Um, and something I think weforgot to do maybe we can still
do it is a breath hold testbefore and after.
You know, since I do a lot offreediving, spearfishing in fact
, I'm going to be doing a hugespearfishing trip next week, uh,
50 to 70 miles off the coast ofnorth carolina for wahoo and

(08:21):
london snapper and all kinds offun stuff um, but I'll tell you
what I think.
What's really cool is I'm veryfamiliar with my bottom time,
you know, and using my divewatch to kind of reference that,
so I will give you a before andafter based on my dive watch
data.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
The Garmin data, so that should be really exciting.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
That'd be very cool.
We're adding some science tothis.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
Yeah, yeah, for sure, great, be very cool.
We're adding some science tothis.
Yeah, yeah, for sure, um, great.
So why don't we take a fewsteps back and and get into some
of the heavy metal chelationthat we did?
And, uh, go over some of myresults, um, and before you do,
I'll just make sure to let theaudience know that this has

(09:02):
probably been not probablywithout a doubt.
This is one of the mostimportant things I feel I've
done for my health.
I'm excited to see theobjective data that proves this,
but I can feel a difference.
I already do.
I'd imagine I do everythingunder the sun to feel great,

(09:22):
look great and live a long,healthy life, but this made a
massive difference in my qualityof life.
Like I feel like I had too manytabs open and I closed a bunch
and then hit the refresh button.
Like I feel more refreshedinternally.
You know, I feel just clearer,more energized.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
That's amazing.
You know, rarely we getpatients that react to chelation
as well as you do.
That happens once in a whileand so, like I was telling you
earlier, unfortunately, ifchelation was a one-shot
treatment, it'd be the bestthing in the world.
Unfortunately, it's a series oftreatments, like I was telling
you, and with each treatment youdo, you pull out a little bit
more heavy metals out of youeach time you go, and so the

(10:04):
fact that you're reacting thiswell after having already done
just one treatment is amazing.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
And I remember I mean , I know you and please, if you
can elaborate on this specificsubject as soon as I got the
chelation or the IV.
Within 30 minutes of gettingthat IV, I felt like absolute
crap.
And you know, driving back fromWest Palm to Miami it's an hour
and a half or so.
Dude, I have never felt soexhausted in my life and it was

(10:30):
almost impossible to drive back.
For the first time in my life Ihad to take caffeine and
nicotine and I had Andrew hereasking me very complicated math
problems just to keep myselfawake and I was slapping myself
in the face.
On top of that, I had to pullover halfway through to get more
caffeine and nicotine just tomake it back home.

(10:52):
So what was happening there?
Why did I get that kind ofreaction?
Is that typical when you doheavy metal chelation?

Speaker 1 (10:58):
Yeah, so that reaction can be typical.
What happens is and the way Ialways explain to patients is,
whatever the metal, whateversymptom you get when you're
doing chelation, is kind of whatthat heavy metal is causing.
So you got that really bad whenwe did your mercury treatment
and so what happens is likely.
You know you mentioned you havea tiny bit of fatigue and if
you weren't as well tuned as youare with your supplements, your

(11:20):
workouts, just your lifestyle,you'd probably be feeling a lot
more.
You're holding that fatigue atbay just through how you live
your life, and so the averageperson that isn't like you, they
probably have a ton morefatigue with these heavy metal
loads that you have, and so themercury is causing it.
And when we do that chelationwe're basically stirring up a
lot of that mercury and it takesabout eight hours for you to

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pee it out, and so in that eighthours it's kind of passing
through your body andping-ponging around your body
and so it's just creating morefatigue, more inflammation for
that eight hour period.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
Yeah, yeah, I felt, oh my gosh, I felt like I was
unplugged, you know, and now Imean it's been what, like two
weeks.
Yeah, I feel so much better,man Nice.
I feel so much better, man Nice.
That's awesome, and I'll tellyou, I'll give you very specific
examples.
I feel like I can start my daysquicker, like I'm just mentally

(12:15):
prepared to start the daywithin 15, 20 minutes, like
actually I was ready to go, youknow, sometimes instantly Nice.
I feel this is a really funnyand almost ironic example, but I
feel like I can stare at myphone and laptop for work longer
without feeling likecognitively you know, drained
very cool.
Um, I feel just like I havemore mental and physical

(12:37):
endurance you know, yeah, I justfeel great, yeah, you've
detoxified.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
And so toxins?
The whole big and we talkedabout this before is that they
basically cause malfunctioningcells.
You know what happens,especially with mercury your
body will pick up mercury,thinking it's molybdenum, and
molybdenum is a key mineralinvolved in 30 different
functions, and they'll end upplugging mercury into these
cells and then you end upbuilding non-functioning cells.
So when you remove the mercuryand your body actually picks up

(13:06):
molybdenum instead, you're goingto be much more efficient in
how your body processes tax.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
Yeah, and it's interesting, I had no idea that
was the case that I hadmentioned to you.
Just from my perspective it was, I don't know.
Almost coincidentally, Ihappened to mention that I had
an issue digesting alliums andsulfur.
Alliums and sulfur-rich foodsI've.
You know, over the past coupleof years I haven't been able to
eat onions, garlic, brusselssprouts, broccoli, eggs, you

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know, without feeling somesymptoms of brain fog or fatigue
.
Specifically with garlic andonions, especially raw, I mean,
if I had those, my breath wouldtaste like and smell like onion
and garlic.
For days I could brush my teeth40 times and it would still.
It just wouldn't go away.
And I spoke to a geneticistfriend of mine about this and he

(13:56):
said well, look, man, what allthese foods have in common is
sulfur and you probably have anissue with molybdenum and you
should probably supplement it.
That was the extent of what heshared with me.
I had no idea that heavy metalslike mercury competed with
molybdenum and as soon as Ishared that with you, you know,
you were very quick to inform meon the competitive, you know,

(14:18):
and inverse relationship there.
Right, if you have heavy metalsand it competes with molybdenum
, of course you're going to havea sulfur issue because you need
molybdenum to break down sulfur.

Speaker 1 (14:26):
Yeah, so it's a good litmus test, and so what's
really cool is I actually testedyour molybdenum levels, okay,
and so you're actually deficientin molybdenum.
Oh, there you go, so you cansee it right here that bar
across, and if you're reallyhigh in some of them and I'll
show you that in a second butyou're deficient in molybdenum,

(14:46):
wow, and so that's what mercurydoes to you.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
And it's interesting because I felt over the past
couple of years, I felt like abuildup of this, like sulfur
intolerance, you know.
Yeah, and it's because theheavy metals they bioaccumulate,
yes, you know, and the necklacegets worse and worse.
I also felt this with red wine,you know, nitrates, nitrates

(15:13):
and and also the, the sulfites.
Right, and many red wines theyhave added sulfites and sulfates
to preserve the wine, but redwine naturally contains it
anyway a small amount, and Istart to feel more and more
sensitive to any wine thatwasn't biodynamic.
Yeah, you know, and that was anissue for me because I I like,
I really enjoy red wine.
You know I'll have it to anywine that wasn't biodynamic.
Yeah, you know, and that was anissue for me because I really
enjoy red wine.
You know I'll have it maybeonce a month.
I'm a snob, Like I get somegood stuff, but even that I was
just I wasn't having a good timedrinking my red wine.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
Yeah, you know, and so that's kind of what I was
telling you.
If you want to be able to drinkred wine on chelating, you
would take molybdenum before andafter and it'll prevent a lot
of those symptoms for you.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
Yeah for sure.
So why don't we?
Why don't you take me through-.
Why don't we dive in the data?
Man, tell me, tell me, tell mehow the levels are looking.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
So, as you remember, we did two different tests with
two different chemicals EDTA andDMPS.
And so we'll start with DMPS,that one specifically for
mercury, with dmps, that one'sspecifically for mercury.
So I'm gonna swing around andarsenic, arsenic somewhat,
mercury is the key of that yeah,um, I'm gonna swing around for
a second, okay, and so I'm gonnashow the camera first.

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You don't get to see until thecamera sees.
So you can see his pre-test,what he eliminates on his own
versus what we're able toexcrete out of him doing the
chelation.
And so you can see that giantline coming across the middle of
the paper.
That's his mercury levels.
So now we're going to showAndreas the big reveal.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (16:33):
So this is your pre-test.
This is what you eliminatenaturally on your own.
Not much of any.
Where's the mercury?
Mercury's right here?

Speaker 2 (16:41):
So that's when I eliminate naturally on my own.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
You're eliminating one microgram per gram of
creatinine or urine.
Okay, then this is what youeliminate with chelation.
So 45.
It's off the charts.
It genuinely is off the charts.
That's him Holy shit dude.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
That was unbelievable .

Speaker 1 (17:05):
So shit, dude, that's unbelievable.
So you're at 49.
So you're 49 times higherelimination with chelation.
And so what we do, we can'tmeasure how much mercury is
inside of you.
All we could do is measure howmuch we can pull out of you.
So from there we kind ofextrapolate that If you have 50
times as much coming out of you,then you have a massive burden

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inside of you, and so each timeyou do chelation you pull out
more and more.
Does that make sense?

Speaker 2 (17:32):
Yeah, and so when people get their heavy metals
tested, is that an inaccurate ora poor way to assess what's
really happening in someone'sbody?

Speaker 1 (17:40):
So basically blood and blood, especially, and
morning urine.
As you can see, they're onlymeasuring what your body's
naturally excreting and you'renot naturally excreting much.
That's the problem.
So when you do a blood test forit's almost always zero, but
when you do a provoke test, youcan see how much is hiding in
your tissue.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
Wow, man.
And.
And so you think um, how manymore sessions am I gonna need
before I get this normalized?

Speaker 1 (18:07):
So what I typically tell patients is about one IB
per point of mercury.
So with a mercury of 50, you'relooking at close to 50- points.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
So 50 sessions is what I would require.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
When you get into these higher numbers, like I
told you, the average high I seeis between 20 and 30.
So when you get into thesenumbers like 50, it usually goes
a little bit faster.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
So I would guess between 20 and 30 treatments and
then what Is it like aconcentration gradient of sorts,
or yeah, exactly, it's aconcentration gradient.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
So chelations I call it the bathtub example.
Imagine your body is a bathtuband the water in it's dirty.
Right, the dirt will callmercury.
So every time we do chelation,we take a cup like basically a
filter through and we scoopthrough and we measure how much
we're pulling out.
That's what the test is, and soeach time you do it, you pull
some out, and the more you havein there, obviously, the more

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you pull out per time and then,as it as it, as your numbers
fade, you're basically pullingout less per time.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
Yeah, Okay, right, that makes sense.
Do you know how much we pulledout the first round of therapy?

Speaker 1 (19:16):
We pulled out 50 micrograms of urine or of
mercury in your urine.
15?
5-0 micrograms, okay, 50.
5-0 micrograms, 50.
So how much is the total?
So that's what we don't know.
Five zero micrograms, five Okay, fifty.
Five zero micrograms, fiftyOkay, all right.
So how much is the total?
So that's what we don't know.
So the way this test works isthey basically standardize your
creatinine in your urine.
So the test is standardized andthey basically measure how many

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micrograms of mercury is thereper gram of creatinine in your
urine.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
So all we can measure is an excretion amount.
How much is coming out of you?
Okay, and based on the symptomsand the subjective benefits
that I've experienced, are thosepretty consistent with the
amount that was pulled out.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
Yeah, so typically people with higher mercuries
have more drastic life changesat the end of chelation, whereas
people that you know.
If you had a mercury of five,we probably wouldn't bother
chelating you.
You're too low to care about,it's not a problem.
I only start treating peopleonce they get to about 10 and
higher.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
And why do you think I had such high levels of
mercury?
I mean, obviously I eat a lotof fish, yeah, a lot.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
That's probably your source.
So, as we all know, tuna,swordfish, other big game fish,
are full of mercury.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
Yeah, because it bioaccumulates and bio-magnifies
and move up the trophic levelsin the food web.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
Yep, and so it's basically genetics.
Does your body recognizemercury and other metals as a
toxin and choose to eliminate it, or does it not?
For example, japanese people ofjapanese ethnicity.
They have a gene that actuallyidentifies elemental mercury as
toxin and excretes it at afaster rate than the rest of us,
because they, as a culture,they eat so much seafood that

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they would all have mercurypoisoning if they didn't.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
So it's natural selection wow, oh my gosh, I
didn't't know that.
It's really fascinating.
And I understand, you know somefish have a high selenium
therapeutic index, like salmonand all the forager fish, like
you know, herring and anchoviesand sardines, and I mean you
know there's smaller fish too,so they will have lower

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concentrations.
But then I understand seleniumthat they contain also helps to
counteract that.
Can you tell us a little moreabout selenium and how it
protects and counters mercury inthe body?

Speaker 1 (21:34):
Yeah, so mercury competes with a few different
minerals in the body to.
Basically it's a key in a holereceptor, so your body will
accept anything into the hole,as long as the teeth on the key
are correct.
Yeah, so mercury competes withmolybdenum, selenium, it's
somewhat competes with zinc,somewhat competes with copper,
and so it's the same idea astaking molybdenum.

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You're deficient in seleniumand molybdenum when you're high
in mercury, so when you takethose, you're basically trying
to shove mercury out of thekeyhole and try and replace it
with regular minerals.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
Yeah, I got back on the regular supplementation with
selenium.
I mean, I'm having twobrazilmas a day and there was a
period of time, I'd say over thepast year, I ran out of the
brazilmas and I, yep, and, andthere was a period of time, I'd
say over the past year, I kindof I ran out of the brazilmas
and I forgot to, to, to, youknow, to re-up, um, but ever
since we did our chelationtherapy, I've been having that

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every single day and I've alsobeen having, uh, chlorella and
spirulina.
Um, are there other foods thatcan help you naturally chelate?
Maybe foods that aren'tnecessarily high or rich in
selenium and molybdenum?

Speaker 1 (22:42):
So yeah, so just I want to point out what you're
saying.
You are actually very low inselenium.
You're lower in selenium thanyou are in molybdenum.
So you need to up your intake,and you can see it right here in
these results.
Well, wow.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
Selenium.
Is that mind?
Wow, and is there such thing asI mean I imagine it has to be
such thing as over-consumingselenium too, right?

Speaker 1 (23:00):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
How many Brazil notes , for example, would be too many
.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
Yes, now you're starting to get into dietitian
level stuff which is a littlebit out of my scope.
That's why I have coach Kyle todo nutrition supplementation
for patients.
Yeah, you could probably doublewhat you're taking.
Okay, and that's what I thinkthe most important thing is.
There's no one answer fits allpatients.
We do testing, see where you'reat and then adjust from there.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
Right.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
So you're taking two a day and it's not enough, so we
can increase you.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
Wow, okay, fascinating, all right.
Well, I'm going to start takingmaybe three or four bizonas a
day, yeah a day and yeah, and Isee how I feel.

Speaker 1 (23:39):
And then when, once you get through 10 chelation
treatments, we're going toretest you again just to get a
ratio of how fast you're comingdown, and then we'll get an idea
of how high your selenium is atthat point and then from there
we can adjust again yeah, and soI mean, look, I also I I had
some questions for you aboutlead.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
I don't know how I'm doing there, but yeah, uh, you
know I grew up fishing almostevery single day of my life and
I handled lead weights.
There's lead, you know, allover our modern environments,
right?
So I'm curious how I'm doing onthat end.

Speaker 1 (24:06):
So once again, we'll let the camera see, the audience
see, before we get yourreaction to it.
I got to keep this fun formyself.
Fair enough, all right.
Okay, ready, bit reveal.
Lead is the longest bar across,so he's high in lead.
His lead is 8.9.
I typically start treating at alead of five, but my average

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lead patient is between 10 and15.
So you're below average.
Okay, you're good there.
Wow, this is so much lowerpriority for you than the
mercury is that we're going toignore this for a long time and
only focus on your mercurytreatments and is the stuff that
we're doing for mercury goingto benefit the lead as well?

Speaker 2 (24:43):
Not really.
So how about selenium ormolybdenum?
Does that compete with lead aswell?

Speaker 1 (24:47):
No lead.
Mostly competes with calciumboron and a couple other things.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
So basically, you mentioned, I think, manganese
and boron.
And what else did you mention?
Copper?

Speaker 1 (25:00):
and boron.
And what else?
Did you mention Copper?
So I imagine eating dates is agood idea.
Yeah, just to try and up yourmineral content with all this
stuff.
Yeah, because you're deficient.
So what's cool about the EDTAtest?
It's better at analyzing yourelementals, your minerals,
basically, so you can see youactually have too much of the

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iron, manganese, chromium andvanadium.
You're actually too high onthose.
And so what happens?
Because this is your, and thenthey're trapped inside your
tissue.
If we look at your pre-test,for them you're normal, but then
, when we look at your post-test, oh wow.
So the problem is that allthese minerals are trapped
inside your tissue.
Your body's not utilizing themproperly.
Wow, and what about thecreatinine?

(25:44):
So creatinine is how theystandardize the test.
Creatinine, yes, it meansnothing to you or me, just how
the company standardizes theirtests.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
Okay, so I mean I supplement with creatine.
Does that have any impact on?

Speaker 1 (25:56):
creatinine.
No, no, no, no.
They're literally justmeasuring how much creatinine is
in your urine to standardizehow dilute your urine is.
Okay um.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
So this is really interesting.
Um, what I needed.
I know that I have a?
Um predisposition forhereditary well.
Well, that's redundant at thatpoint For hemochromatosis.
So you have to store too muchiron.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
Yeah, you do, yeah, it's very.
You can see you're 364 timesyour regular morning iron,
whereas you shit.
Yeah, I need to back it.
So what's cool?
I can't memorize all this.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
Does that mean I need to go on a vegan diet?
What does this mean?
You basically need to chelate.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
Yeah, what about donating blood?
You can donate blood, but yourproblem is I love donating blood
it's not in your blood.
That's the problem.
You do have iron tests.
Your iron levels are normal.
It's trapped inside your tissueand that.
What do I do about that?
Evta?
Okay, so you can see how muchit's pulling out 364 times the

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how much you're excreting onyour own.
So we just do a series of thoseto lower your iron levels right
.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
This is all very mind blowing.
So it's just kind of turning myhead around and all and
simultaneously, you know,hosting a podcast, and I
definitely feel like I have twoIVs in my arm, so it's just a
wild thing to try to even try todescribe.

(27:29):
But I feel great, I'm veryexcited.
I mean this is.
It's so nice to have clarity onyou know what's going on in
your body, discovering yourscience that's what we're all
about.
This is the mission coming tolife.
This is why we do what we do,and to have someone like Dr K
here to guide us through it it'sa practical way is really a
gift and a huge privilege andhonor, to say the least.

(27:51):
So thanks again for having ushere and for taking us through
all this.
It's really life-changing,Absolutely, yeah, Thanks again
for having us here and fortaking us through all this.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
It's really life-changing, absolutely yeah,
I'm happy that you brought me on, because my whole purpose of
the Longevity Center is to bringthis out to the world, make it
in an affordable way so thatpeople can afford to come do
this and change their lives.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, I didn't think that I could feel
so much better than El-Ali did.
Yeah, and in just one round ofchelation I feel at least 10%
more clear, more energized, morefocused.
And here we are discussing whatthe next 40 rounds of chelation

(28:31):
are going to look like, becausemy levels were just that high,
yeah, so imagine how much betterI could feel.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
Yeah, and now really, I pointed this out earlier, I
want to point out again you livea very fine-tuned lifestyle.
Yeah, the average person withthis mercury, they don't feel
good on a day-to-day.
They have a lot of fatigue, alot of anxiety.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
Maybe even gut issues , and so when they go through
chelation, it's utterlylife-changing.
They start to feel like how youdo now yeah, wow.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
So what?
And I mean I know that you knowyou're not a dietician,
nutritionist, but but typicallywhen you see something like this
, uh, what are some things thatI can consider?
And I know you're notprescribing anything here I want
to make sure we're careful.
I will speak to a nutritionist,for sure yeah but what are some
things that you can genuinelyrecommend that I do differently?

Speaker 1 (29:18):
so I'm gonna actually have you start taking
molybdenum immediately andyou're going to take it every
day.
And when you take enoughmolybdenum, what it actually
does is it starts to competewith the mercury.
So you'll feel like how youwill after your domiculation
while taking molybdenum.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
Okay, wow, and what about the iron?

Speaker 1 (29:35):
So iron you probably.
I would guess you probably needto back off on how much red
meat you're eating.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
I have Ever since I got that genetic test done.
I definitely did.
I also learned that you know Iwas diagnosed with AED.
I took medication for it andyou know the issue there.
Really, the root cause is yeah,what are you pointing to?
The root cause is your mercury.
Yeah, well, the mercury, butalso because, I mean, I was
diagnosed when I was eight yearsold.

(30:02):
Yeah, right, uh, but Iunderstand that, uh, this has to
do with the substantia nigraand the basal ganglia, yep, and
if you have hemochromatosis, youstore too much iron, especially
in that area of the brain.
It can seriously exacerbate thesymptoms and, uh, it can lead
to early onset Alzheimer's yeah,that's right, and Parkinson's

(30:24):
specifically, which I also amgenetically predisposed for.
Oh my God, I learned that acouple of years ago after my
genetic test.
That scared the living shit outof me.
I learned this while I was on aroad trip with my friends in
Colorado.
While I was on a road trip withmy friends in Colorado, we were
going up a mountain that wewere about to hike.
We were pulling up to thecampsite to start hiking and I

(30:46):
got these results.
Terrible, terrible timing toopen this up and read through
the results.
And guess what I did?
Immediately?
I called one of my mentors, drWesley Smith, who's the head of
nutrition and physiology at theUniversity of Miami, and I was
almost like crying to him, likeasking for help, with barely any
service.
We were breaking up on thephone, I was freaking out,
having like a panic and anxietyattack, and basically he was

(31:08):
like look, man, you're going tobe okay, you know.
Then I called a friend of minewho specializes in Parkinson's
and she laughed at me.
She's like a dresser, living,breathing example of exactly
what every person who ispredisposed or has Parkinson's
needs to do to delay or, youknow, revert the disease state.
But now, dude, I learned thisand I'm like scared but also

(31:31):
very excited.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
You know this is the next chapter of basically your
healthy living journey.
Yeah, and so once you what thecool part about chelation is,
it's not like an ongoing thingfor life.
You get through your treatmentsand then what I tell people is
you treat like a routinecolonoscopy.
Every few years you come getretested.
Make sure you're not creepingup.
If you're not, we leave youalone.
We don't make you do chelationthe rest of your life.

(31:53):
Right and so it's just.
It's a chapter of your lifethat, once you're closed, you're
going to feel amazing the restof your life.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
Right, and how common would you say, you know, heavy
metals?
Like how many people have anissue with heavy metals and it's
just like totally undiagnosed?
Or maybe they're just so usedto living their life feeling
this way that they don't eventhink that it could be heavy
metals Like how common is thistoxicity?

Speaker 1 (32:17):
So the problem is I think it's more common than we
let on, and the big gap we haveis if you go to your doctor and
say, hey, is mercury bad for me?
They'll say yes, it is.
But if you go to them and say,hey, I got exposed to mercury,
what do I do?
They say, oh nothing, it'll goaway, don't worry about it,
because traditional doctorsunfortunately aren't trained and
have to deal with heavy metalsand chelation.

(32:38):
That's something I didspecialty training in to learn
how to treat people, and so Ithink there's a lot of people
walking around out there thatare undiagnosed with it and no
one can figure out why they havechronic fatigue or anxiety or
gut issues or thyroid issues.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
That presents those symptoms and the doctor will
treat them in some other way,shape or form, but they
ultimately never get to thatroot cause, which could be heavy
metals.
Or at the bare minimum, theheavy metals can exacerbate
something else in the bodyExclamation or yeah.
Talk about how do mainstreamdoctors treat mercury poisoning?
Yeah, how do mainstream doctorstypically treat mercury

(33:13):
poisoning?
How do they identify it, how dothey treat it?

Speaker 1 (33:15):
They don't.
That's the problem.
So the way they do it isthey'll do a blood test on you
for mercury, even if it's high.
Their solution is and there wasactually an article, I think it
was MSNBC had a video aboutthis, don't quote me on the news
source, but it was one of thebig ones and they went out.
They had a doctor come on, whatdo I do?

(33:36):
And the doctor said oh, juststay away from seafood for a
couple weeks and you'll be fine,it'll go away.
And that's their entireapproach.
Wow, it'll go away and itdoesn't it doesn't, you can see
your results.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
Yeah, I know, kyle and I were talking about how you
know cilantro, for example, cannaturally chelate these heavy
metals and how, in my case, forexample, it can actually do more
harm than good because it canjust move stuff around.
Yes, can you elaborate andamplify on that point?

Speaker 1 (34:05):
Yeah, absolutely so.
There's a couple parts to it.
One when you take a lot ofthese oral chelations, your body
doesn't want to absorb them, soit can only chelate what's in
your gut, which for somepatients is a lot, some patients
a little Yours, I suspect is inyour brain because of how you
reacted to it.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
And so when you take spirulina, chlorella and all
that stuff, it's binding what'savailable on the inside of your
gut and that's it.
That's part of it.
The other part of it it's not apermanent bind to mercury, so
it can pick it up and if mercurypasses by something it likes
better, it will detach from thespirulina and rebind to
something else, Whereas when youdo chelation it's more of a

(34:40):
permanent bind.
It's forced to excrete, Right.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
And before we get into the specific mechanism of
action there, you know howchelation actually works.
Because, I mean, it'sfascinating to say the least,
and it's fascinating how quicklyyou can start to feel relief.
Quickly you can start to feelrelief.
I believe, and I think youwould agree with me here the

(35:08):
human body is perfectly designedand after billions of years of
evolution, from the time that wewere algae, we're beautifully
and perfectly designed.
However, we live in a modernenvironment where we're dealing
with a load of heavy metals thatwe're constantly exposed to
that is beyond anything that thehuman body was ever designed to
handle.
Yep, so this is why we have togo out of our way to key lake

(35:32):
heavy metals.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
Yeah, so a big part of mercury is when they were
mining for gold.
They would use mercury slurriesto get the gold out, and then
this mercury just washed offinto our rainwater and
eventually end up in the oceans,and so that's how it's now
spread through all of our soil,it's in our food, it's
everywhere which 300 years ago,no one was mining for gold, it
wasn't a thing, no one caredabout it, and so all this
mercury was kind of just trappedaway.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
Yeah, so since the industrial revolution and just
general modernization, you knowit's just been, it's ended up in
our water and our soil and theair and our food.
Yeah, and what about lead?
Same thing.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
Lead.
Yeah, I mean, the Romans hadlead pipes and it's been going
on from there.
There's an interesting thing.
It's now I forget whether itwas the poor or the wealthy in
rome, but some of them ate fromlead plates and some of them ate
from I believe it was copperplates, and because one of them
was a lot more expensive to getthan the other, I think the
wealthy had copper, and so thelead would die, or the the poor

(36:34):
um, peasants basically would diefrom lead poison because they
were eating off lead plates allthe time, whereas the wealthy
would eat off copper and livelonger.
Oh wow.
So lead causes lead poisoningand we all know lead poisoning
is bad.
We all know lead poisoning isbad, you know.
That's why all kids in Americaget tested for lead at age three
, because it can significantlystunt development of your brain,

(36:56):
of your bones, of a lot of yourorgans.

Speaker 2 (36:59):
Wow, and you know so.
Do you think that?
I mean, I was diagnosed withADD when I was eight years old?
Right, and my dad has similarsymptoms and issues with his
focus.
But do you think that exposureto lead early on could be the
reason why I had a diagnosis, ordo you think mostly it's like a

(37:20):
genetic predisposition?

Speaker 1 (37:22):
I hope your mom doesn't listen to this show.
She does so oftentimes.
Your first exposure to heavymetals is from the mother.
Moms can pass heavy metals totheir babies while they're
pregnant, and so that's usuallyyour first exposure.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
I would love to bring my family here.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
I think that'd be very close identical food.
And when I do an awesomespearfishing trip like what I'm
going to do next week withhypoxinated blood and no longer
breath hold, I always bring thathome and I share it with my
family, my mom, everyone in myfamily.
We get together and cook, andcooking is just such an
important part.
One of our if not our numberone core values of family is

(38:03):
getting together to share meals.

Speaker 1 (38:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
And fish has been at the forefront of our experience
cooking.
I mean, every man in my familyis a diehard fisherman Okay,
except my brother.
He's a musician.
Except my brother, we're alldiehard fisherman Okay, except
my brother, he's a musician.
Except my brother, we're alldiehard fishermen.
So there's been a lot of fishand therefore heavy metals you
know that we've been exposed tothroughout the entire, our

(38:27):
entire lifespan.

Speaker 1 (38:28):
So here's where it gets really interesting.
Someone pointed this out to meand it's made perfect sense ever
since we're in roughly thefourth to fifth generation since
the Industrial Revolution.
Yeah, and so what happens ismoms pass the babies, moms pass
the babies over and over andover, and so that's where this
arise of things like ADHD andother psychiatric things are
coming from.

(38:48):
Is that we're finally reachinga bioavailability concentration
of mercury that's high enough totrigger these problems.
Generation one maybe some ofthem got affected, but not most.
Generation two slightly moreRight.
So it's by accumulating periodand it gets passed on.
We've reached that tippingpoint now where more people than
not will be affected by theirlevel.
Holy shit, that's terrifying.

(39:11):
Yeah, so that's what's reallycrazy is.
Chelation used to be big in the60s and 70s.
You could go almost anywhereand be done.
Yeah, a lot of cardiologistswere doing it because they found
that it helps cardiovascularhealth.
It can help prevent things likestroke.
Whatever happened.
How political do you get onthis?

Speaker 2 (39:30):
We can flirt with the borders of controversy.
I'll just give a disclaimer.
This is controversial, so justbear with us.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
So we're going to flirt with the borders of
controversy here.
Little disclaimer this might bea bit controversial.

Speaker 1 (39:45):
Yep, truthfully, it's money gets involved.
There's not a lot of money tobe made on chelation it's a
couple hundred bucks.
You can't patent it, it's beenaround for so long.
But there's other things thatwe can treat patients with heart
disease with.
That creates a lot of moneyHeart caths and stents and
statins and blood pressure meds.
All these things rack up tomillions and billions of dollars
, whereas chelation a couplehundred bucks.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
Wow, what a fucking shame.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
We need to start doing better as a country.
Yeah, I think you and I sharesimilar clinical views.
I think most people tuning incould probably figure out what
that is.
Yeah, uh, we'll just leave it atthat yep, but oh my gosh, I am
crossing my fingers and I hopethat in 12 days, we uh change
the trajectory of our healthwell-being.

(40:33):
And you know, longevity as weknow it.
Yeah, there's some key playersin place that can really help us
do that that.
That would be amazing if thathappened.
You know, longevity as we knowit.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
Yeah, there's some key players in place that can
really help us do that.
That would be amazing if thathappened.
You know, a big shift in themedical system, I think.
Unfortunately, covid, it openedup a lot of people's eyes that
maybe what you're being told by,you know, big pharma, big
government, isn't the best thingfor your general being Keep the
country running and keep thecountry moving.
But as an individual person,it's probably not the best thing

(41:01):
to be doing.
Like, remember when they werehaving people stand six feet
apart and they came out and said, hey, actually that's not
really a thing.
We made that up, yeah, and theyhad people washing packages.
That got delivered, yeah.
How did any of that make sense?
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
Oh man Wow no-transcript.

Speaker 1 (41:43):
Your friends you know .
Basically it starts like thisOne person will come in my
office and they'll get better,and they'll tell a couple of
their friends and they'll getbetter.
And that's how we spread theword.
Best thing is word of mouth.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
Because, unfortunately, when you go
online and Google this stuff,there's so much misinformation.
You basically have to be adoctor to figure out what you're
actually reading, which theaverage person can't do and no
one expects them to do.
Right.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
Right, and so let's shift gears and speak on the
actual mechanisms of action andthese chelation IVs.
How are they going in andbinding to these tissues, like
what's actually happening there?

Speaker 1 (42:23):
Yeah, so it's like we talked about.
It's a key in a hole systemwhere mercury and molybdenum
they have the same.
Basically teeth keys that canplug into the hole that your
body's looking for to plug in.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:35):
And mercury is smaller and lighter than
molybdenum, so it getspreferentially picked up and
plugged into your tissue andmolybdenum gets excreted because
your body can't tell thedifference and just thinks you
have too much molybdenum.
It doesn't know it's mercury,right.
And the same thing happens withall of the heavy metals there's
.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
All of them have an element that they compete with
okay and so, but like the ebdta,or e, ebdta, ebdta, okay.
So what is what's in there andwhat's it actually doing?
Is it similar to molybdenum?
No, so.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
EBDTA.
Let me talk about what themercury DMPS one is just a
little bit easier to explain it.
Yeah, the DMPS, with themercury Mercury on its basically
butt end, has thiol bonds thatit can attach to, and the thiol
bond is more of a.
We're getting super chemistryhere.
That's fine, I don't care whatthis show's about Awesome.
So it's a dual.

(43:26):
So mercury will attach to anythiol bond and it has the
ability to attach to one or two,and so DMPS has two available
thiol bonds for it.
So if it binds to somethingwith one thiogroup, like
spirulina, it can, then you knowsomething else the other
thiobond is still available andit can break off and attach.
Oh wow, when it binds to DMPS,it's got two thiobonds.

(43:48):
So its receptors are full andlocked in.
Yep, it's locked in.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
We're locking in Arborecarida.
What is it?
Ebps, edta?
Arboricurita, uh, what is it?
Evps?
Edta, yeah, edta.
And then the other one, dmps,dmps.
You know, through 40 of thesetreatments you'll get, oh yeah,
I'll get it, it'll be likeclockwork, um, okay, and so it's
, it's binding to these, uh, youknow, thanks to the thial bond,

(44:14):
and then it's, it's they sticktogether, and then it's it's
they stick together, and yeah,then you can excrete it, yeah,
because once it's bound to thedmps, it's stuck in your
bloodstream and it can't bind toanything else.
It can't bind to any cells, soboom correct.
You're forced to excrete itthrough your some mostly urine,
some stool, okay and and what ifyou hook someone up to a
machine that had, you know, uh,edta or whatever, and it had an

(44:37):
IV running all day long?
Would that work?

Speaker 1 (44:40):
You mean like basically adding EDTA to the EBU
filter?

Speaker 2 (44:43):
Yeah, Instead of having to come in for so many
sessions.

Speaker 1 (44:47):
Yeah, the problem is it needs to go through your
bloodstream, through your body,because it's not in your blood,
it's in your tissue, so theblood needs to interact with
your tissue so the EDTA can hitit.

Speaker 2 (44:59):
It needs to take its time to actually get in there,
pull it out and then excrete it.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
Yes, Okay, I do have patients that will do chelation,
either right before an EBU tomake it more available in your
bloodstream, or, if they reallystruggle with doing chelation,
we'll do EBU and then chelationright after.
What would do ebu and thenchelation right after, because
the ebu will lower.
We do that today.
Yeah, we can absolutely key.
Let's do that, um, and so whathappens is the ebu will lower

(45:23):
your overall toxic burden sothat when you chelate and stir
up more into your bloodstream,there's basically quote unquote
space for it and it doesn'toverburden you.

Speaker 2 (45:32):
Wow, anything else you think we should cover
related to the heavy metalsbefore we dive in, and some more
of the eboo science um I thinkwe've.

Speaker 1 (45:41):
I think we've drove down heavy metals enough, more
than what most people want tohear about okay, great.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
So so tell us.
I mean, why don't we start withwhy and how you designed this
thing?
Because that's yeah that'sreally fascinating and I want to
absolutely so, you're actually.

Speaker 1 (46:01):
So we run this thing basically for an hour.
You're getting pretty close tothat hour so we can continue the
podcast.
I'm just have to pause andunplug you for a second.
Um, basically there's threecommercial uh generators.
You can just buy a pre-madeeboo system, and I'm not gonna
name any names.
I'm going to say anything badabout anyone, but basically I
found in my opinion that therewas something wrong with each of

(46:22):
those three EBU commercialmachines out there, so I based
mine on the Malaysian protocol.
Ebu came out of Malaysia like30 years ago.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
Why, why?

Speaker 1 (46:31):
Why was it made?
The guy that invented it justlives in Malaysia.
His name is, I won't say hisname actually.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
But what's the purpose?
What was the original purposeof this machine?

Speaker 1 (46:41):
IV ozone has been around for a very long time.
Right, nikolai Tesla had thefirst medicinal-grade ozone
generator and you would sellthem.
That's how long this has beenaround 100 years, and basically
we're just always looking toadvance our treatments.
Right, so ozone when you doregular ozone treatment right so
ozone when you do regular ozonetreatment, especially if you do
multi-pass or major, your bagor your bottle gets really gunky
and nasty looking.

(47:02):
Have you ever done ib ozonebefore?

Speaker 2 (47:04):
No.

Speaker 1 (47:04):
Okay, so your bottle gets really gunky looking.
It's fibrinogen and othertoxins in there and as you do
those ozone treatments, you justpass that gunk out of you, we
treat it and then we put itright back in you.
With EBU we're filtering it offso it never passes back into
you.
So all those Herxheimer effectsthat you can hear about with
ozone I don't really get with myEBU system because I've tuned
it to avoid Herxin.

(47:25):
Wow, what was that?

Speaker 2 (47:28):
process like.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
About two years.
I would say I'm pretty close toperfect with it now.
It's been about two years sinceI started doing it.
I've done hundreds plural oftreatments.
It's myself and I have anotherfriend out in Australia.
He bought, he bought all theparts, I bought all the parts
and we just talked on the phoneall the time until we kind of
tuned it Now.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
typically, I start the show by asking my guests why
they do what they do.
Yep, so I feel like I need toask you this question after the
fact, because this is absolutelyfucking wild.
Yeah and uh, what?
What kind of license do youneed to get to create something

(48:13):
like this and hook someone up toit?
You know?
Yeah, so now that we've seen itand what it can do, why don't
you tell us why you starteddoing what you do, man, yeah so
I'll answer your question inreverse order.

Speaker 1 (48:24):
Okay, you want a doctor on site, unfortunately,
and, and you know, nurses arevery well qualified, nurse
practitioners are very wellqualified and this machine it
runs really easy, right, Ihaven't touched it at all since
we started.
Yeah, that's because I can tellhow well this is running just
by sound, because I've done somany of them.
Okay, and if something goeswrong, I know how to fix it

(48:45):
easily.
But when I first started myfirst couple of treatments, I
literally shot blood across theroom because that's what I was
doing, and so you know I wouldmiss a clamp, I'd turn on the
wrong thing at the wrong timeand it over pressurized or under
pressurized and things would gowrong.
And so you have great veins.
Things are moving reallysmoothly for you.
For patients with bad veins,this doesn't move smoothly at

(49:06):
all.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
This sound you can hear, the sound is different.
Yeah, really.

Speaker 1 (49:10):
Yeah, yeah.
So I mean that's just for me.
I can that pump especially, andjust all the noises machines
are making, all the hums I canhear when it changes because
it's not getting enough blood ortoo much blood or whatever's
wrong with it.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
Oh wow.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
So you want a doctor that's familiar with this thing
to be on site actuallymonitoring your treatment.
Right, and that's my opinion.
How many of these have you done, how many sessions?
As far as I know, I've donemore than almost anyone in
America.
I've only met one person thatgot to do more than me, and
that's because he was part ofthe clinical trials with it.
Okay, I've done best.
Guess now probably 600, 700 ofthem, wow, the last two years.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
Wow.
And so how did you get started?
I mean, what drove, what drivesyour passion, your obsession
with this stuff?
Absolutely yeah.
What started all this?

Speaker 1 (50:00):
Yeah.
So basically my whole story isI've wanted to be a doctor since
I was little.
My dad he's not a doctor, buthe does craniosacral therapy up
in New Jersey.
So when I first went to medicalschool I didn't really have a
clear idea of what I wanted todo.
I was like, maybe I'll docardiology or surgery or
something.
I just knew I wanted to be adoctor.
And then, as I was gettingthrough med school, I was like,
maybe I'll just go back to NewJersey and do osteopathic

(50:20):
manipulation with him.
And then halfway through medschool they sent me to a
hospital in Miami for rotationswhere I met the doctor that I
used to work for and I met himand I followed him around for a
month.
And then I had really bad TMJand I had neck issues.
So I got into this, actuallybecause of stem cells.
We put stem cells in my jaw, wedid PRP on my neck and that was

(50:41):
the first relief I'd had inyears and chronic headaches went
away, the jaw pain went away,and so I followed him around for
another month, another month.
He also does all of this stuff.
So I learned from him how to dochelation, how to do ozone, and
then I realized the big need.
You know there's a lot ofdoctors offering stem cells out
there and I still offer it and Ilike to think I'm quite good at
that stuff.
But the need is chelation andozone treatments for heavy

(51:04):
metals and mold being done welland properly, and that's where
the big need is and in acost-effective way as well.
Yes, you know I'm not scared toput my prices out there because
I know I'm one of the cheaperpeople in the country, because
I'm willing to More inexpensive,not cheaper.
Yeah, more inexpensive, I likethat.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, because I'mwilling to take a lower margin
to make sure that people canactually heal, yeah.

(51:24):
So you know I'm doing chelationfor $200 and I'm doing full
dose.
Yeah, a session, full dose,full strength, chelation for
$200.
Almost anyone else offering forthat price is unfortunately
giving you a half dose.
So they get to.
You know, split a bottlebetween two patients or stuff
like that.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
Wow, and what about the EBU?
How much is this, to pick thefirst?

Speaker 1 (51:46):
EBU.
So EBU here is $800.
The next cheapest place, Ithink more inexpensive, yes, so
I'm 800.
The next most inexpensive placeis, I think, 12 or $1,300.
Yeah, and then from there itgoes really starts about 2000
and goes up per treatment.

Speaker 2 (52:03):
And these are machines that are not as
sophisticated as this one.

Speaker 1 (52:06):
Correct, there are a few.
I'm not the only one to havebuilt my own.
There was a guy that you couldactually take his course and
learn how to build your own.
Very few people took him up onit and actually followed through
on it.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
That's crazy.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
Mad scientist Borderline sociopathic.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
No, we're here to help people 100%.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
I'm just kidding.

Speaker 1 (52:28):
No, last October I got invited out to speak at
SOPCON, which was basically likethe National Eboo Convention.
All the people doing Eboo gotinvited to come to this thing
and that's kind of where Ilearned.
Was Dexter there?
Who, dexter Morgan?
He was not there.
No, very funny, he would lovethis thing, but no, that's where
I learned.
You know, I would hear patientsor doctors talking about how

(52:49):
their patients have this problemor this problem and people
would look at me and be likeyou've done so many of these, do
you have these problems?
I'd be like, honestly, no, I'veonly had maybe five people ever
have a problem with Eboo.
What were those problems?
A couple were trulypsychosomatic, as in they did
Eboo, and they were just soconvinced that they were sick
and nothing could ever help themthat they just basically drove

(53:11):
himself into an anxiety attack.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
During the EBU.

Speaker 1 (53:14):
No, afterwards.
Okay, I did have two Herxheimerreactions.
I had 700.
I've had two Herxheimerreactions and those people they
were some of the sickestpatients I've ever had, so I'm
not surprised.
And actually both of themcontinued with treatment as they
did more and more treatments.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
The Herx timing went away and they actually started
to feel better with the E-boost.
Wow, yeah, alright.
Well, let's take this.
Seems like we're done with theE-boost session, if it's alright
and I know this is going to beanother controversial topic we
can or we don't have to talkabout it.
But can we talk about vaccinesand heavy metals?

(53:52):
Just the facts, just how theycontain heavy metals.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
I'll explain it in a way that government agrees with
me, because they are very publicabout this part.
The fact is that the way avaccine is supposed to work is
we inject you with a dead virus,your body attacks it, learns
what its weaknesses are andlearns how to kill it.
We can all agree with that,right, okay, the problem is, if
I inject you with a dead virus,your body simply won't care.
There's nothing for it to do,it's already dead.

(54:17):
We can agree with thatstatement.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
Okay sure.

Speaker 1 (54:19):
Yeah, this is all just basic facts about it.
The last fact is we need animmune-stimulating, immune
stimulating component tobasically trigger your immune
system to attack the dead virus.
Okay, you know what?
One of the best immunestimulating components is Heavy
metals.
Heavy metals, that's rightMercury, aluminum, graphene

(54:42):
oxide, basically any heavy metaltriggers inflammation, immune
response and your body ends upattacking that virus.
So they have to put in heavymetals to make the vaccine work.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
And they just they stay in your body, they stay in
your body, they stay in yourbody.
Wow, so even my dog couldbenefit from this company.
You mentioned the Paleo.
Yeah, because he got his roundof vaccines and now he has heavy
metals that we can pull out.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
Yeah, what's interesting.
So when I was doing that withmy dog, I could visibly tell
that the days I gave it to herand I only give it to her once a
week the days I gave it to hershe was tired all day in the
beginning and eventually, as wegot towards the end of the
bottle of it, she stoppedreacting to it.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
Wow, oh man, and I don't know if you're familiar
with the EWG website and the tapwater database, you know.
I wanted to ask you know howaccurate is that, and is there
any tap water that's safe todrink?

Speaker 1 (55:31):
No, tap water is not safe to drink.
Look, go on there.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
Look up your.
Why is it legal to you know howis that legal?

Speaker 1 (55:39):
Why was there no federal limit on the amount of
lead allowed in our food?
Yeah, do you hear about thatwith the baby food?
Can you tell us?
Can you remind us Ashdell?
So it was a company.
This happened earlier this year.
A company got flagged by thestate of California for having
too much lead in theirapplesauce.
It was cinnamon-flavoredapplesauce, and when the FDA
investigated, their first answerwas well, there's no federal
limit on the amount of leadallowed in food.

(56:00):
And so, as the FDA investigatedfurther, a whistleblower
actually came out and said well,there's monetary involvement,
lead is sweet, lead is alsocheaper than sugar and there's
lead in the cinnamon.
There's lead in the cinnamonsupplier that was in the
applesauce and the applesaucecompanies just didn't care.
They knew and did not care.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
That's just the world that we live in.

Speaker 1 (56:23):
Yeah, and the other one?
Did you hear about the?
It was baby.
I forget the company.
Baby Oat like cereal for babieswithout oats, had like four
times the amount of glyphosateallowed Babies.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
That's our future.

Speaker 1 (56:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, and I want to state thatyou know, we're not shooting
this podcast to fear monger, butthis is just how fucked up.
This is just the fact yeah,excuse my French, but I'm.
It really frustrates me howincredibly dangerous and toxic

(57:06):
this world is.
You know, just living your lifeyeah you don't have.
Your body just can't handlethis toxic load that we're under
.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
And so props to Consumer Reports who over the
last year, have been going outand testing all sorts of
different industries.
This is a major magazine that'sgoing out and saying hey,
chocolate has heavy metalburdens, protein powders have
heavy metal burdens.
So they're out there andputting this into the public so
it's no longer like behindclosed doors, underground stuff,
this is public knowledge now.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
Yeah, wow.
Do you think that there is evergoing to be a reality where we
can live our lives, you know,and handle the toxic load that
we're under because it's maybeslower?
Is there any way to undo thedamage that we've done and just
live our lives as regular humanbeings and not have to go out of
our way chelating and doing EBUto feel better about ourselves?

Speaker 1 (57:56):
You know, I think that if all these toxins were
banned over a few generations,yeah, the world would clean up.
The earth is really good atcleaning itself.
For example, kale, this newwonder vegetable that everyone's
eating.
You know what?
Kale is really really good atCleaning soil.
It's really good at pulling allthe toxins into itself, out of
the soil, and so then you eatthe toxins in the kale.

(58:16):
Well, I don't know whyeveryone's eating kale.
I would never eat kale.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
Really.

Speaker 1 (58:20):
No, kale and actually marijuana plants are both
really good at soil cleaning.

Speaker 2 (58:24):
Really yeah.
So smoking weed, you're smokingheavy metals, or?

Speaker 1 (58:28):
Yeah, heavy metals, and actually a lot of mold is in
weed as well.

Speaker 2 (58:34):
Really Wow.
And you know something else Iwanted to talk to you about.
You mentioned this when wefirst met how typically, when
you have high heavy metals andthe symptoms that I described,
you know brain fog and fatiguethat typically there's parasites
involved as well.
Yes, you told me about somekind of biofilm around the
parasites.
Can you tell us a little moreabout that?

Speaker 1 (58:55):
Yeah.
So what happens is the waymolds and parasites survive in
the body is they create abiofilm around themselves.
This is not groundbreaking news.
This is not anything very fancy.
Everyone knows about this.
Biofilm is a protein shieldaround the mold, and it
typically carries a charge.
The problem is mold shouldn'tbe able to charge themselves in
nature.
It's not something that shouldbe able to do.
So what they found is that thefungus mold will anchor

(59:19):
themselves to heavy metals,borrow the charge from them and
build their biofilm to repelantifungals.
And so until you chelate andremove the heavy metals, you can
never fully clear the mold.
Or if you do somehow fullyclear out the mold, you can
always be re-exposed and it'llimmediately re-bind to you so
these bad guys team up to domore damage in your body yep,

(59:42):
exactly can you, can you guys,believe this?

Speaker 2 (59:49):
this is just mind-boggling.
Mind-boggling and very um.
It worries me, you know,worries me, and it worries me
about the future of, you know,my kids and their generations.

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
You know, like I don't see the world getting
better no, sadly, if we keepgoing the way we're going, it's
not, it's only getting worse.
Sadly, if we keep going the waywe're going, it's only getting
worse.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
How common should therapies like these be?
I mean, in an ideal world atleast, you know the world as we
know it now.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
In an ideal world, your primary care offers this
stuff in their office.

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
Yeah, and can a primary care physician offer
something like this or?

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
do they have?

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
to have a background like yours.

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
So technically I'm family medicine board.
That was.
My initial training was infamily medicine.
It's just I chose to go intoall of this stuff instead of
practicing quote-unquotetraditional medicine yeah any
doctor can do this.
They just need to go throughthe training and learn well I
mean, I think, uh, why don't wecall it here?
Yeah on that depressing note Onthat depressing note.

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
How do you feel about your book?
I feel great, man.
I feel really good, I feel veryenergized and happy.
Would you do it again?
Absolutely yeah, that wasreally fun.
Nothing scary.

Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
Nothing to be afraid of.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
No, initially I was like what the hell am I doing?
But yeah, I mean, I feel great.
I feel like I almost feel likeI got another shot of espresso
or something.
I just feel, you know great.

Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
Hyperoxygenation.

Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
Yeah, you know it's.
I'm really excited to see thisplay out in my spearfishing trip
.

Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
Yeah, the last thing I'll leave us on.
You know, like oxygen bars wewe go and get a hundred percent
oxygen for a few minutes and itmakes you feel really heady and
good.
Now we did that, but like athousand times stronger.

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
Yeah, and you mentioned, how you know,
compared to like beetrootpowders and other nitric oxide
boosting compounds, this is likesignificantly better.
I think you gave me exact andexact percentage, or-.

Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
I said hyperbaric, hyperbaric right, yeah, it
boosts you up by like roughlythree to 5%, right.
I said hyperbaric, hyperbaric,right, yeah, it boosts you up by
like roughly 3% to 5%, right,this boosts you up by like 30%.
I'm talking about oxygen packedin for red blood cell.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
So I can maybe even tonight I can monitor my resting
heart rate and it shouldtechnically be lower.
Yeah, because my well ABO2difference is higher right, I
would expect that, yeah, okay.
Pulse ox would be readingcloser to 100 and you know heart
rate Well.
To maintain the same cardiacoutput I can afford a lower
racing heart rate because theABO2 difference is higher.

Speaker 1 (01:02:15):
Yep exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
Throw some nerd on them.

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
Yeah right, awesome man.
Well, I'll tell you what.
One last question for you, man,if you could put a word,
message or phrase on a billboardsomewhere in the world.

Speaker 1 (01:02:31):
what would it say and where would you put it?
You know I'm going to borrowCoach Kyle's slogan it's always
be chelating.

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
Okay, nice, Shout out to Kyle man.
What a guy yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
And truthfully you know that should be everywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:02:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
It's like you know those Chick-fil-A signs.
Eat more chicken.

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
Always be chelating.
Nice, Nice man.
Well, Dr K, it's been an honorand pleasure, Absolutely.
Thank you so much.
Yeah, we'll be back soon formore chelation and I can't wait
to show you the amazing fish anddive times that I accomplished
with this.
You know, hyperoxygenated bloodcell.

Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
I love it.
We're farther in fish forchelation right.

Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
For sure.
I can't guarantee that it'sgoing to be a low heavy metal,
high selenium therapeutic index.
Fish it's going to be larger.
Wahoo probably have heavier,you know more heavy metals.

Speaker 1 (01:03:20):
You know what's funny ?
Patients ask me all the timelike, should I not eat tuna,
should I not eat swordfish?
And my answer is always I canchelate you far faster than you
get mercury into yourself.
So if I have to do one extrachelation a year and eat
whatever I want.
That's how I live my life, oh,beautiful.

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