EP 61- Ghost Hunters or Con Artists? The Warren Files Exposed

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Oh, you think darkness is your ally.
You merely adopted the dark.
I was born in it, molded by it.
I see death, war crimes, warCrimes, geneva Convention.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
Strange Warfare.
Welcome to the Cosmic Co-Familyepisode.
It's your co-host Yai and myco-host Reverence.
That's right, the boy, oh shit.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
Oh shit, we're cutting transmission from Damn.
He cut the Xbox on.
No, it was my phone.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
I forgot to mute it.
I'm professional.
Listen, I'm on my part.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
Oh no, you're good bro, it's the boy reverence.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
Ah, ah, ah, Damn it real.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
This is real raw footage, oh fuck.

Speaker 3 (01:07):
Y'all listen to me.
That was me pulling it back.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
All right, my fault.
Y'all had to send a quick textmessage real quick.
That's right what it do withCosmic Cove, episode 61?

Speaker 3 (01:20):
Ain't away from the best episode ever, oh Episode 69
, we're going to be butt naked.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
It's going to be a special guest episode and
they're going to fuck.
Stay tuned for the $14.99episode.
But yeah, how you been bro.

Speaker 3 (01:46):
What you been up to, bro, nothing.
My time flew by extremely quick.
Next thing I knew it was Friday.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
That shit got here quick.

Speaker 3 (01:53):
Quick as hell, robin.
We been busy as hell.
We just been busy, really, butwe got the green light today.
Everything look good,everything look amazing, that's
all I care about.
The checks came through.
Nah, we went on two checkstoday.
Everything looked good,everything looked amazing,
that's all I care about.
The checks came through.
No, we went on two checks.
One dude answered, but he toldme One dude answered he was like
it's going to be next week,that's fine.
The other dude didn't evenanswer me.

(02:14):
That's fucked up, bro.
But you know that's the problemwith having the LLC, right?
But yeah, bro, nothing, nothingreally crazy.
I mean, I do got somethingcrazy, but I'm gonna hold off on
it um.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
I said because my attorney said I can't talk about
it legally.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
I can't talk about it until until both parties have
decided the best outcome.
Until then I I just can't rightnow.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
Until the case is finished.

Speaker 3 (02:45):
Yeah, my lawyer's here, by the way.
Beanie Baby, what do you haveto say for yourself?
That's right.
Tight, tight, tight, that'sright.
But yeah, but it's okay.
I'll tell you later about thatshit, but yeah, nothing really
crazy has been going on.
I feel like I've been drinkingtoo much, too much Twizzies.

(03:06):
I feel like it's been too muchso I had to revert back to a
classic Got Wamas.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
So I had to tone it down.
I had to tone it down a littlebit, got them fucking big-ass
fucking jugs.
That big old freaking bottle offreaking beer.
Them 40s, it's like a 45, feellike this shit, big ass, fucking
40.
Well, I need to chill out withyou.
I need to chill out.

Speaker 3 (03:29):
Yo, let me just drink two of these, you know.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
I look like a fucking alcoholic right now Let me draw
back a little bit.

Speaker 3 (03:37):
Nah, but we've been drinking like every day, bro,
and I just feel like the thingwith the twist is I feel like I
get too bloated.
The thing with the twist is Ifeel like I get too bloated
because, since I can just chugthem, I feel like I've just been
getting too bloated off of them.
So, yeah, I got the Kiwamas.
Just calm down a little bit,you feel me?
Fun fact, there's three glassesin the Kiwama.
Found that out, holy moly, theglass you see right there.

(03:59):
Three of those are one Kiwama,three of those.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
Yeah, three of those.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
Four, four, three of those.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
Yeah, that shit is insane.

Speaker 3 (04:06):
Uh-huh, look at him.
He's been waiting for him tomove away from his street so he
went to go get it.
Look at him.
Look, he thinks there'ssomething left.
Look at him.
Look at him, he's looking forit too.
What happened, buddy?
Look at him, because he usuallyleaves his treats he doesn't
eat them all so that he'll goover there and steal them.
I know them look at him.

(04:27):
He's looking for more.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
That's enough of y'all, y'all relax I was gonna
say um, I know that time we wentto celebrate my girlfriend's
dad's birthday, brad drunk maybea couple couple beers, maybe
like two regular size coronas orthree.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
Then my brother-in-law brought like the
little ones- I think it was alittle one like the coronitas I
can't even remember.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
I think they were all right drunk like three of those
, two of those, and then I drunkthe big ass kawama after the
kawama.

Speaker 3 (04:58):
Bro, I was done, I was over like but did you drink
it out of the, out of the likethe bottle itself?
See, I found like, when I'mtrying to do that, like it
messes up my not messes up mystomach in a bad way, it's just
like I get too bloated, I feellike I get too much acid reflex
like like coming up.
So when I drink it off the cupFrom the tap type shit, you feel
me, you feel me, me justgetting the garden hose from

(05:20):
outside I went in sucking fromthe other side Siphoning the
beer out the garden hose.
Pouring it like this oh,goofball over here.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
Until it's fine establish me.
So you got a snail on your, onyour hose.
Have that docity, put it on thecoaster and then sludge your
drink rough day at the drinkspill.

Speaker 3 (05:58):
Oh yeah, we run a fine establishment here here,
you know I'll tell you what youfeel different after.
After you wake up and you can'tfind all the cups and other
things the mcdonald's cup fromlast night.
Throw out that sprite, justwatch that cup you're good to go
it's a different brain.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
You just you're gonna throw it away, regardless,
you're gonna throw it awayregardless.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
You just read you saving.
Throw it away regardless.
You're saving the planet really.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
Pretty much.

Speaker 3 (06:26):
You saved the planet right there.
You're welcome, all of y'all.
Y'all are welcome.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
Life tips with Cosmic Colt.
Heard it here first Damn bro,y'all didn't work yesterday then
, or y'all just didn't worktoday.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
No, just today.
Yeah, we finished the work.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
Dang.
I finally got a break.

Speaker 3 (06:44):
Mm-hmm, yeah, so.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
Damn.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
Yeah, we, just, I was just running on the call just
to make sure everything was likegood and everything but yeah,
they called me, told me looksamazing, looks good.
You know, did great Usual stuff, usual.
I like to hear that you know.
Go ahead, answer bro.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
You should answer and put them on podcast.
Hello, welcome to cosmic co.
You're our first listener.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
No, they called me the other day.
I ain't gonna lie.
They called me the other daywhen I was painting, right, so
check this out.
I was painting and, uh, I leftmy phone in the chimney.
I already painted the wholesection right on top of the
chimney plus.
So they start calling me.
Bro, I was like who the fuck iscalling me right now?
But and I gotta walk throughthis, through what I just
painted, because I'm like firstI need, I didn't really need my
phone, but I'm like what Ithought was whoever's calling me

(07:32):
, it's for work, like it's some,some important stuff, right, so
I'll walk through what I justpainted.
You know all the poly andeverything.
Walk through it.
Make it just for it to be somebe some spam.
I about threw my phone at them,bro, me too, bro.
I called them back, bro, Icalled them hey, what the fuck?
The list?
Y'all got me on.
Get me the fuck off of it.
Y'all just keep calling me.
She said did we call you fromthis number?

(07:55):
I said, yes, stop fuckingcalling me.
Okay, sir, I'm sorry.
I this bro.
Bro, they have not called meever since, bro.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
Bro, I need to do that too, bro.

Speaker 3 (08:05):
I'll call them back, bro.
That poor lady I'm pretty sure,because they kept calling me
from different phone numbers butthe same thing kept popping up
like the same name.
So, poor lady, probably wasn'teven the one that called me back
, but I was just so like shit,pissed me off.
I already finished it bro.
I'll call her back, bro.
They ain't see that one comingbro.
I'll call her back, bro.
She didn't even know what tosay when she answered bro, I did

(08:27):
this.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
I was going to do the same thing, bro, because I had
my hands full.
Uh-huh.
And my phone kept ringing andringing.
I was like damn.
The phone rang like two, threeyou then I was like man, fucking

(08:48):
stupid spam.
I don't know where all thesespam calls are, I think there's
a thing going on right now wherethere's like a crackdown
they're doing or northcarolina's doing something
because phone companies or somecompanies are in trouble for
like helping this like phonescam calls or some bullshit,
robo.
It was some bullshit.

(09:09):
I just took a quick look.
I really don't remember exactlywhat was going on.
But, bro, I've never gotten somany fucking robot calls, or
spam either, bro.

Speaker 3 (09:17):
It's been.
It's been a lot lately.
This year is when this year hasbeen blowing up my phone.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
Nothing but spam calls.

Speaker 3 (09:25):
The other thing they're doing is that toe thing.
Oh yeah, the toe thing, bro.
That, by God.
My dad with that bro.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
Oh, for real.

Speaker 3 (09:33):
Yeah, and since he's not here right now, he's like
hey, did y'all go through thistoe?
I was like what the fuck Earlyin the morning that made me up
over there Early?
He's like did y'all go throughhere?
Like you know, we got to pay.
I was like what are you talkingabout?
He's like yeah, it says y'allwent through a toll.
I was like we ain't even beennowhere near.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
No toll roads nothing like that.

Speaker 3 (09:52):
And he was like well, I got a message.
I was like don't even click onthat.
I was like it's a spam on that.
And then my mom had one too.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
I was like that's what Y'all picking on the
elderly really Chill Cause theyput me like on a Text thread
type of thing.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
Oh, they be doing that to me.
Yeah, they be Damn.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
And then people be Like sending messages.
They be like Shut your dumb assup.

Speaker 3 (10:16):
I'm about to start Showing my dick pic, but I ain't
even gonna.
Every time they shit y'all geta dick fit, everybody gonna
laugh.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
But listen, that's not the point how the fuck we,
how the fuck you, get put in agroup chat talking about you.
You cross the.
That's that, bro.
Y'all fucking scammers are sofucking y'all hungry, huh.

Speaker 3 (10:36):
Y'all tired of eating that food from the streets, huh
yeah, by opening up that phone,a cyclops gonna be looking at
y'all.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
That shit Psychops is crazy.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
Motherfucker gonna be looking at you like the dude
from Invincible, the alien fromInvincible.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
Oh shit.

Speaker 3 (10:56):
Just staring at you.
Oh, okay, I know what you'retalking about.
They do that guy liketelekinesis and stuff, seth
Rogen Seth Rogen's the one withthe voices.
Oh, for real, I didn't evenknow that I heard that voice,
but I was like I heard thisbefore.
This is Pineapple Express.
I've heard this before.

Speaker 4 (11:10):
Then he laughs, then he laughs, yeah, we laugh.
I was like yeah, that's it,seth, what the fuck you doing?

Speaker 2 (11:19):
Damn bro.
I guess we're going to go aheadand get it All right, bro All
right, everybody.
Like we said on the previousepisode, we had a little bit of
heartbreak, a little bit ofemotions going on, because when
you actually sit down and lookat the facts of this thing we're
about to talk about, it kind offeels like misleading, you kind

(11:42):
of feel betrayed a little bit,maybe a lot a bit.
You kind of feel like you kindof feel like you got cheated on,
you know, and not in a good waybut I was just about saying
that's not the type I like andnot in a cuckoo, not an attitude

(12:04):
too oh shit, no, but um, it'sbecause, like we're gonna talk
about ed and lorraine warren,that's what the subject is.
Everybody's like oh my goodness,but um, those guys, those guys,
those guys just like that, bro.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
Look at that, bro, warriors.
But they got the ass like bloodrunning through them, bro.
Right, look at that.
They just look at that.
Go for the nuts, go for thenuts.
He'd be doing that too.
He'd be doing that.
Don't tell him, but he'll do it.
That's a secret technique.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
But um, what was I gonna say?
Yeah, like we're gonna betalking about like the whole
controversy behind them or somecontroversy things.
Um, just just like stuff thatsurfaced about them or like some
stuff about, like their wholeuh encounters with the
paranormal and stuff like that,and I don't mean to disrespect

(12:57):
or disrespect or defamate in anyway but this is just like stuff
that that's out there and we'rejust bringing it to y'all.

Speaker 3 (13:03):
that's right that it For legal purposes.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
we must say that Because they said they exorcise
the demons, but they onlyexorcise your wallets.
I paid to see all your moviesjust for there to be a bunch of
fucking lies.
I'm tired of getting lied to.
I'm tired of getting lied to.
I'm tired of getting no.

(13:30):
Ay yo, Start bending.
I'm tired of waking up at 4o'clock in the morning.
I'm tired of getting fuckinghit.

Speaker 4 (13:41):
There's no breakfast if I get hit I don't want to
watch shows hit.
I don't want to watch those.
I don't want to watch thoseit'd just be in the corner.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
It's like a clip clip change, it'd just be back there
just a full a quick montage.
Then it's just back to us likeI can't believe that we're lying
to ourselves.
Oh shit, I can't believe thatwe're live.
Oh shit, cut the cameras, cutthe cameras.

Speaker 3 (14:11):
My homie Tessie, like Maury, bro Tessie, all the way
to your car he take the wholetripod, not even take the camera
off.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
Let them follow me, bro.
If I was on the Maury show, I'drun straight to the bathroom
and then take a shit.
That way they catch it live ontv.
I'm upset, oh my god oh my godand then I sit down on the
toilet.
Just look at the camera.
Make the red guy contact withthe camera and the lens, not at

(14:39):
the cameraman, straight at thelens.

Speaker 3 (14:41):
That that's some shit just dropping at you.
You should have.
I'm going back in the back.
You just hear the boho.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
Jesus Christ, yeah, we on one hun chat.
They put something in themlittle raspados, them freaking
snow cones.

Speaker 3 (15:01):
Oh yeah, reverend's brought a.
They had to kill a tiger forthis one.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
Right, we got the tiger blood.

Speaker 3 (15:07):
Tiger blood.
You know it tastes straightlike tiger blood.
It tastes Exactly like it whenI went to Africa hunting a tiger
.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
that's what it tasted like.

Speaker 3 (15:17):
That's Exactly.
Just like it to a T, just likeit to a T.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
But I was going to say, just like it to a t just
like it to a t.

Speaker 3 (15:27):
But um, I was gonna say um, did you want to start
off on this whole?
Uh, yeah, because I, yeah, Istarted off because I got a
little.
Uh, I started off.
Easy, try to give them theirfacts.
I really didn't know much.
I mean, apart from the movies,I really didn't know much.
Um, you get the informationabout them what do I have?
the t for you.
Okay, you got the t, I got likesome calm shit, so that, okay,
works out good.
Let me start off.
So when daddy loves his mom.

(15:49):
No, I'm just playing, all right, all right.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
When two people really love each other, they
fuck.

Speaker 3 (16:01):
Guys, chill out, class, chill out, all right.
So Ed and Lorraine Warren,we're a husband and wife team,
just in case people don't know,cause maybe you know, oh yeah,
who is Ed and Lorraine Warren.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
There you go.
Maybe sometimes you know People.
People might not know.

Speaker 3 (16:14):
You know they might not be tapped in.
Let me change this so it'llstart flipping.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
You're in good luck, because we're about to.
We're about to.

Speaker 3 (16:21):
I'm about to, we're about to, I'm about to chat gpt
this and just look it up as I'mgoing he'll be looking at me
doing my notes, all right so edand lorraine warren were a
husband and wife team ofparanormal investigators who
gained fame for theirinvestigations into alleged
hauntings and demonicpossessions.
Ed warren uh, born 1926, 1926till 2006, was a self-taught

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demonologist and author, whileLorraine Warren, born 1927 to
2019, was a professedclairvoyant and medium.
They were devout RomanCatholics and believed that
demonic forces were more likelyto possess those who lacked
faith.
Self-taught is kind of crazy.
Self-taught is crazy, that's.
We're starting off strong.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
That's what I'm saying Let me get on YouTube and
self-teach myself aboutdemonology.

Speaker 3 (17:10):
Really, all you got to do is just hold your breath
for 25 seconds each day, Trustme.
So they founded the New EnglandSociety for Psychic Research
N-E-S-P-R, abbreviated in 1952,one of the oldest ghost hunting

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groups in New England.
They author numerous books onthe paranormal and their
investigations.
The Warrens claim to haveinvestigated over 10,000 cases
of paranormal activity duringtheir careers 10,000 cases of
paranormal activity during theircareers.
Some of the most popular caseswas the Annabelle doll, which

(17:52):
was about a raggedy and dollbelieved to be possessed by a
demonic entity inspiring thefilms in the Conjuring universe.
The Perron family haunting thebasis for the Conjuring 2013,
when a family was terrorized bya malevolent spirit.
The Amityville Horror thewarrants were involved in the
investigation Of the Lutz familyexperiences In the house with a

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history of murder Inspiringbooks and films.
And the Enfield Poltergeist theinvestigative claims of
poltergeist Activity in theLondon home featuring In the
Conjuring 2.
The Trail of Arne ChayenneJohnson, a court case where
demonic possession was used as adefense for murder, and this

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was inspired in the Conjuring.
The Devil Made Me Do it.
The Snedeker House Somebody,allegedly.
What did he say?
The Snedeker?
House.

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Somebody allegedly infested withdemons and featuring the book
in a dark place in the film theHaunting in Connecticut.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
Oh, that's what it was the Haunting in Connecticut,
uh-huh yeah.

Speaker 3 (19:03):
So you know their cases had a lot of sway.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
Those were some heavy cases.
Those were some heavy cases.

Speaker 3 (19:10):
You know those were some strong cases.
I don't know if y'all seen themovie.
I am a very big fan of theWarren family in the Conjuring
universe.
I really like those type ofmovies.
Me too, want to keep going.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
You got it Okay.

Speaker 3 (19:29):
Ed Warren.
So a little bit of backgroundon them.
Ed Warren, a former policeofficer and Navy veteran, was a
self-proclaimed demonologist.
Lorraine Warren was aself-professed clairvoyant and
light trans medium who claimedpsychic abilities from a young
age.
Medium who claimed psychicabilities from a young age.
The case files have served asthe basis for numerous horror

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films and television series,like I said before, most notably
the Conjuring Universe, whichfeatures fictionalized accounts
of their investigations.
They established the Warren'sOccult Museum in Monroe,
connecticut, which houses acollection of supposedly haunted
objects and artifacts fromtheir investigations.
The museum was closed to thepublic in 2019 due to zoning
issues, but recently comedianmatt riff announced he and elton

(20:15):
casti uh purchased the warren'shome and museum oh yeah, matt
rife did by the, he did by theanimal.
Yeah, he bought the animal andwe'll be reopening it to the
public for overnight stays.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
What y'all think.
Cosmic Cove 50 likes, 50 likes,and we're going to go.
No, no, no, no, no.
A hundred likes and we'll go.
We'll take a camera andeverything, and by we I mean
y'all.

Speaker 3 (20:40):
I was about to say yeah, following he, following TR
On some Hunger Games shit, Imean Yayo and then as tribute
I'll take the band Jeroenie.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
I knew it, jeroenie was coming.
I knew it, I'll buy y'all someRay Bans, metaglasses.

Speaker 3 (20:54):
Metaglasses or whatever.
I'll do it.
For some Metaglasses I ain'teven gonna hold it.
I L-Tay much, L-Tay much babyyou giving me Metaglass Shit.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
What's that?
I feel like a top secret agent.

Speaker 3 (21:07):
Shit.
I record my whole day.
Fuck.
You gonna see everything.
You gonna be in the bathroom.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
Fuck, Fuck.
I see my shit in tres de nocuatro, no cinco de.
Watch me hold my glass likethat.
Make it a little bigger, Dearmother of God.
Enhance image.
Sharpen image.

Speaker 3 (21:31):
Contrast Enhance times 200.
What is that?
What the fuck is that?
It's a Cyclops eye.
Testing, testing, testing,testing.
I don't know if it was you orme.
It sounded like both of us fora second.
Okay, okay, so here's where westart walking into the
controversy of stuff.

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The Warrens' work has facedskepticism and criticism, with
some accusing them ofexaggerating or fabricating
stories for personal gain.
Some individuals involved incases investigated by the
Warrens have also questioned theaccuracy of the counts.
I'm going to give you just alittle bit more info of what
they used or like.
What was their methods of like?

Speaker 2 (22:14):
What they said, they did like to, just a word To
investigate.

Speaker 3 (22:19):
To investigate, okay.
So I didn't know about this,but Ed would.
He would.
Uh, when encountering apotential haunted location, ed
will often sketch the house.
This served a dual purposefirst, as means to observe and
record the property.
Second, as an icebreaker whenapproaching homeowners hoping to
initiate conversations aboutthe alleged paranormal activity.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
Honestly, pretty smart, I mean yeah, that's what
he used to do, since he had likea degree.
Well, he went to school forarts or some crap like that.
That's what he went to schoolfor, so he was like sketch out
the house and stuff.
That's pretty cool.

Speaker 3 (22:53):
Yeah, I like that.
So, Lorraine, claiming to beclairvoyant and I only say this
because this is how it's foundonline I'm not, I'm not.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
You're hearing it from.
This is word from this.
You're getting it from the howyou say you're getting it from
the main source this is the treeof knowledge oh, why is eldon
sentinel?
The all-knowing cosmic code.
How the fuck I stoppedAll-knowing Cosmic Co?

(23:24):
How the fuck I stopped this,the all-knowing Cosmic.

Speaker 3 (23:33):
Co, I lost my phone.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
The shit gone.
What the fuck Damn?
Where did your phone go?
I lost my phone.

Speaker 3 (23:40):
Ain't no way Bro, I was just Let me see he does have
those pantalones.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
Bro, what Is that?
It what you talking about?
My big ID, good God.

Speaker 3 (23:57):
Where the fuck did your phone go?
Hold on.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
I didn't hear your phone.
I did not hear your phone.
That shit must have went Right.
My fault y'all.
We're getting too silly.

Speaker 3 (24:13):
Here at Cosmic Cove.
It's a big place, it's a bigstudio.
I lost the vision, alright, soOkay, lawrence Clairvoyance,
claiming to be a clairvoyant andlight transmedium, will attempt
to sense the presence ofspirits and gain insight into
their nature and intentions.
Within the dwelling, theWarrens and their team

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documented potential paranormalactivity through photographs and
video recordings, thoughcritics have often questioned
the scientific validity andpotential for misinterpretations
of these materials Valid.
They conducted interviews withaffected individuals and
thoroughly investigated thehistory of the location,
including previous owners andany significant events that

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might be relevant to thehaunting.
The Warrens heavily relied onanecdotal accounts and
eyewitnesses' testimonies,gathering stories from
individuals who claimed to haveexperienced paranormal phenomena
.
This approach has also been apoint of contention with
skeptics, who highlight theunreliability of human memory

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and perception.
They often collaborated withprofessionals like police
officers, psychologists andvarious other experts to gather
information and ensure acomprehensive approach to
investigations.
Honestly, all throughout, youcan't.
I think that's a very good wayof investigating.
You're checking off a lot ofboxes.
I'm going to give you a littlebit more, bro, if you don't mind

(25:38):
.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
Oh no, you're good Go ahead.

Speaker 3 (25:40):
So A Warren, a self-taught demonologist, views
some cases through the lens ofdemonic influence and possession
, seeking to identify andunderstand malevolent entities.
In cases believed to be demonicin nature, they will often
recommend religiousinterventions like house
blessings or even exorcisms,with the priest's assistance.

(26:01):
Assistance, um so that'sbasically, that's it for me, as
in like the neutral part of, orjust telling, saying what, what
they did, everything from thispoint on, just like what other
people have claimed they've done, they're in the yeah, the
conspiracies and the uh, what isit called?
like the, they're accused ofsome stuff.

(26:21):
Um, I don't know if you wantedto say some stuff or anything
like that no, no, you're good,you're good.
All right, so I'm going to getinto the controversy.
Okay, so there was apparentlyapparently sexual abuse
allegations.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
That's what I was about to get into.

Speaker 3 (26:40):
That's what you want to do.
No, you got it.
You want me to do it.
Okay, okay, I'll just chime in.
So okay.
So Judith Penny accused EdWarren of initiating a sexual
relationship with her in 1963,when she was 15 years old and he
was in his mid-30s.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
Y'all heard it right.
Y'all heard it here first fromCosmic Cove.
See, this is what I'm saying.
They painted them in a light inthe movies as a good, nice,
sweet little couple.
But in reality Darling, mybutthole.
What's that?
We got to do that?
Everything seemed nice andbeautiful until it wasn't.

(27:20):
And then it does like thenegative image and then goes
back to regular image.
But go ahead, bro.
What are you saying?
We got them mics.

Speaker 3 (27:32):
That's an ocean water right there.
Okay, penny lived at theWarren's house for roughly four
decades and Lorraine wasreportedly aware of the
relationship.
Was reportedly aware of therelationship, penny claimed that
Lorraine persuaded her to havean abortion after she became
pregnant with Ed's child,fearing the scandal would ruin
their business.
The Warren's daughter andson-in-law denied the

(27:53):
allegations, saying they neverwitnessed any such conduct.
I'm just letting y'all knowwhat I found.
That's it.
Some have accused them offabricating stories or
exaggerating events for personalgain.
Skeptical investigators likeJoe Nickel and Benjamin Radford
concluded that the Amityvilleand Snedeker family hauntings,

(28:18):
among others, were invented orhoaxes.
I just got more accusations.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
Go ahead.

Speaker 3 (28:31):
The Warrens have been accused of exaggerating the
stories and fabricating evidenceto support their paranormal
claims.
They face skepticism andcriticism, especially from the
New England Skeptical SocietyNESS, who investigated their
methods and concluded they weremore focused on protecting their
reputation than on scientificadvancement.
For me, I don't know if y'allknow this, I don't know if y'all
been present, but we here atcosmic cove we really big on uh,

(28:54):
the scientific method of stuff.
And so, uh, an author whocollaborated with the warrants
on the book ray garden accusedhim of telling him to fabricate
details of it haunting for thebook, even though he and the
warrants knew the case was ahoax.
That's big, that's big.
Many believe that the warrants'accounts of their

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investigations were oftendramatized and embellished from
movies and books, blurring theline between fact and fiction.
For example, critics say thatthe Warren's involvement in the
Enfield-Poltergeist case, asdepicted in the Conjuring 2, was
greatly exaggerated and theymay have even arrived at the
scene uninvited.

(29:37):
That's a big one.
I heard that one.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
Apparently they weren't even they didn't even
help in that at all.
They just showed up.
They showed up, took a couplepictures or did what they.

Speaker 3 (29:47):
Yeah, they took pictures and stuff.
Yeah, they pretty much showedup Just there and then just left
, but you know, who knows, Iwasn't there.
They admitted via a horror case.
A prominent case that warrantsinvestigating has also been
widely dismissed as a hoax bycritics.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
Investigations and forensic evidence um I saw that
someone said they I think it waslike uh the ness.

Speaker 3 (30:10):
They were saying something about like they only
take, like they only looked atthings from like the
supernatural aspect they neverreally tried to find a
scientific yeah so like and andI know what you're saying
because it's crazy, because inthe movie they're depicted as in
them trying to find thescientific.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
Because they lied to us straight to our face.
Imagine sitting at a hundred notwo big eyes movie screen just
for them to lie on your face.
Look at you eating that popcorn.
Lied to.

Speaker 3 (30:43):
Sucking that dick, whoa At the movies.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
That's right, gentlemen, you fricotón
fricosario no, but I did seethat too, that they said like or
like.
They said uh, what was it?
Uh, because the n-e-s-s umcritiqued their work, because it
was laughing like we saidlacking scientific scientific

(31:13):
explanation or evidence orwhatever, and that they pretty
much just like went off of thesupernatural like I said like,
for example, like they'd havelike photographic errors, like
flashes or some shit right rightand they'll be like oh, it's a
ghost then, and, like you said,they'll do the research about
the place.
I'm like, oh yeah, so somebodygot killed here and it'd be like

(31:34):
that they would do somethinglike that, would say that that
was what they were seeing rightthere, yeah you know, lorraine
would sit there at the dinnertable and be like, oh, I'm
having a vision, even though itwas just her going through.
Her clairvoyant spell is what Imeant.

Speaker 3 (31:54):
That's why you heard it.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
Who censored me.
Put it back in.
Editor.
Put it back in.
But you know you get quirkysometimes like that.

Speaker 3 (32:08):
You know, I can relate to it.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
I can relate to it, sometimes when my stomach hurts.
You know I got a little crampthere.
You know I tend to get a littlecrazy.

Speaker 3 (32:16):
I too.
When my stomach hurts, I feelthe presence.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
My eyes tend to roll back as well sometimes when I'm
coming.
Yeah, chat yeah, we gotta sueum, oh yeah, like I said, like
the pictures, the picture things, because they they had like
this thing that was called likethree sensitivities.

(32:44):
Mm-hmm.
Which was like vague psychicfeelings that they would say
like, oh, I'm getting a sense ofa presence here, or I could
feel like some bullshit, likethat.

Speaker 3 (32:58):
You know what I'm saying?
There's something out here.
I feel it Hit the head on thelamp.
It's here, it's here.
No, it actually happened to me.
I ain't gonna lie.
Oh, for real.
Yeah, where my mom is right now, because I could feel stuff
like that and I was like but Iwas just joking in the sense I
was like we pulled up when itwas dark and I was like I feel
like there's something here.
I was just trying to piss offmy mom.
I walked straight into a like alow hanging lamp that I didn't
know was there.
Walk straight.

(33:18):
I was like god yeah, it's hereit hit me, hit me yeah
but like we were talking aboutlike, like they said they would
like submit video evidence orphotographic evidence, but it'd
just be like dust or a lensflare that that thing that they
always uh, they would use uhlike like particles and they

(33:39):
would consider them orbs, likeuh, you know what orbs are,
right, like uh.
So for people that might notknow, orbs they're.
Sometimes, when you see aspirit, or like quote unquote,
when you're seeing a spirit orlike you're trying to get
evidence of a spirit, sometimesit won't show up in a photo the
way you think it will.
The way it will show up is likelittle orbs of light.

(34:00):
Kind of like dust particles Likedust particles, yeah, but in
their case it was more of a dustparticle, not so much as there
being an actual like orb oflight.
That was like going around theplace.
So yeah, that was one thing,yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
Another thing that people said was because, like
the equipment they use, like MFmeters or spirit boxes, it has
no proven link to detectingspirits is what some people
claim.
And it's just like not themrecording like spirits and it's
just like not damn recordinglike spirits, it's just damn
recording anomalies, yeah sothey would like because you like

(34:41):
, say, for example, you cut onthe radio and like you know when
you're like in between twostations that's static or that's
static, and then you might pickup something real quick and it
goes away.
That's something what they woulddo like oh, did you hear?

Speaker 3 (34:55):
the spirit said something?

Speaker 2 (34:56):
it'd just be like one word that you managed to hear
and they would run off of that.

Speaker 3 (35:00):
That's what.
Yeah, that's, that's the bigthing.
When one person hears it like,sometimes, like and I've done
this with my brothers sometimeswhen I feel something, like when
I think heard something, Iwon't tell them off the gate,
I'll wait till they tell mesomething, I'm like okay, so
like what I was hearing and whatI was feeling previously, you

(35:20):
know, like it validates mebecause I'm like okay, I'm not
the one Because I know aboutthat.
Like, if you tell someone aword, that's even for videos,
like they'll do them now wherethey'll have a video and they'll
tell you are you hearing frogor dog type?
But it's really just whatyou're reading at that moment.
That's what you're going to hear, because that's the way your
brain is going to perceive it.

(35:40):
Your brain is just going tofind the similarity and stuff.
So if you primed yourself to,oh, I'm going to hear this, then
that's what you're going tohear.
So if someone's telling you, oh, did you hear that?
And then you replay, oh, yeah,of course you're gonna hear it,
but it is, and especially in asituation where you're trying to
find evidence, you know that'sa very tricky uh spot where you

(36:01):
can definitely trick someonemaybe not intentionally, but you
can prod them into thinkingwhat you're hearing is what's
going on.
They could completely not bethe case.
It's kind of like the wholewhat you're hearing is what's
going on.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
They could completely not be the case it's kind of
like the whole what we say umlike the total no, like the
whole uh mass hysteria, masshysteria that's what I meant
yeah, because if you, you, youcould like a couple people see
something.
And then one person says oh, Isaw it like this.
Another person like yeah, I sawit just like that but if you
were to do it, individually, youwould get different versions of

(36:36):
it.
But if you had one person sayit in front of everybody, then
they'd be like kind of go off ofthat same story in a sense.

Speaker 3 (36:43):
That's all.
For experience like that, it'salways good to have like a
control group and it's at leastI feel like I was saying that
I'm just talking just aboutstuff that I experienced and
kind of know a little bit ofit's always good to just,
whatever you heard, keep it toyourself, you know, just keep
that.
That's that's you compare notesat, then like write it down for
yourself or like taking themake note of it mentally or

(37:05):
physically, and then just at theend of the whole thing because
I feel like you could scare, youcould scare each other off,
like maybe when there's nothinghappening at all, like just
everybody just uh, hearing thesame thing.
That's not even, not even.
Uh, what's going on.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
Another thing that was kind of like um evidence
that they would like overexaggerate the things was when
they were writing a book.
A co-author of in a dark place,uh garden said that the how do
you say snidecker family'saccounts didn't quite met the
what the what.

(37:44):
When he raised this with edwarren, warren allegedly replied
use what you can and make therest up.
Make it scary.
Crazy.
Bar for bar.
Come at me if y'all want.
I ain't got nothing to my name.
Come on me if you want.
Come for me.

(38:10):
Use me how you want.
Do with me what you will Free.
Use me.
Use me how you want.
Do with me what you will free.
Use me.
Tie me up to a bed.
I surrender.
Tell me the safe word, use thefeather, but like we said, like

(38:37):
with him, saying that, that justgoes to show like, like bro,
like if you're really like beinglegit about it, you want to
make sure you're down to.
That's what I'm consistent witheverything you want.

Speaker 3 (38:44):
To make sure you're um, just making sure
everything's lining up correctlyit would have gone way better
if he was like look, justrelease what you have and just
say we gotta find more.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
Like or you at least say in the movie or in the story
.

Speaker 3 (38:58):
It's slightly dramaticized like some,
something like that.
Yeah, because the movies makeit feel like it's like it's all
accurate, like it's all umthat's hollywood like yeah,
that's how they're making itfeel.
So I feel like if they werelike you know just this, you
know it's a reenact, they got towork for it.
Like what you said dramatized,that will bring way more

(39:22):
credibility.
Like, okay, you know you gointo this movie knowing okay.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
Or like based on true events.

Speaker 3 (39:27):
Based on true events.
I think that's what they do use.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
Oh, they do use that, but they use that very loosely.
I thought they said based on atrue story.

Speaker 3 (39:33):
Oh, do they?
Come on, we're going to have towatch the movie, just to see.
We're going to have a wholeconjuring marathon.
But yeah, me personally, Iwould have like, if I don't find
evidence, I just don't findevidence Like that, evidence
like like that's, you know, likethere's nothing here, like,
sorry, there's nothing here,like there's just nothing here,

(39:56):
but to to make someone justfabricate, uh, fabricate lies or
something like that.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
it's just, it's just so, uh, so dishonest okay, so I
I looked at one of the notes andit said cases like the glatzel
story inspiring the Conjuringwere questioned by family
members because Carl Glatzel Ithink that's how you say his
name they sued, claiming thatthe Warrens concocted a phony

(40:22):
story to gain fame.

Speaker 3 (40:24):
Oh shit.
Though the suit was eventuallydismissed, I don't know why it
was dismissed, but they ended updismissing it, but they were
trying to sue Heather LorraineWarren.
Just because they were addingstuff to what happened and stuff
.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
They weren't making it to what really happened,
that's crazy.
Let's see what else they got.
That's pretty much all I got.

Speaker 3 (40:47):
Right.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
Because I know a lot of people were saying that they
were like now, this ain't mesaying it all right, so that's
people that's them.
This is the people on theinternet, or like, because they
have documentaries on all thisstuff too like uh I think
netflix has a documentary onthat.
Uh, tale of like the devil mademe do it type of thing, I think
, they have a documentary onnetflix.
But I know some people weresaying that, like we said, like

(41:11):
in the movies they depict themas a nice, sweet couple, but
people who actually knew themsaw them as like liars or uh,
how would you say manipulatorsmanipulators.

Speaker 3 (41:21):
I know, I know someone called them like scam
artists there you go con artists, con artists, con artists, yeah
, con artists that they reallyjust wanted to make money right
yeah, of actually helping people

Speaker 2 (41:33):
because, like we said , that's what we thought.
Like, if you watch theconjuring movies, you're like,
dang, these people actually goout there, they exercise the
demons, they get rid of all theevil in the home, the family.
But, as we said before, whenyou actually look into the cases
, they really just go there.
They just get a painting, go tothe person's house saying hey,

(41:54):
yo uh, the huss says she feels apresence up in this, up in this
crib.
Yo, no, diddy, like shit, Igotta, I gotta communicate with
the youth because you know, yougotta, you gotta hold that, you
gotta hold the retention.
Really, you gotta be able tocommunicate with the whole
audience, with all the I ain'tgonna lie, but somebody put up,

(42:16):
told me that shit that I believehome when the huss know, the
huss knows.
but um, hey, twin, I'm gonna bereal with you, I'm going to keep
it a stack.

Speaker 3 (42:32):
Hey, y'all say hi to Big G.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
Y'all say hi to Twin.

Speaker 3 (42:39):
Hey, these are sentences never uttered by
anybody else.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
He said that word for word, word for word.

Speaker 3 (42:46):
This is a new sentence y'all Twin.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
That shit not vibing right Twizzy, but what was I
going to say?
They because that's all like wesaid, that's what they would do
.
They would go get the paintingsand they'd get in your house
and be like, yeah, I feelsomething, take a couple
pictures maybe, do like a seancesession or something.

(43:12):
She says I feel like thishappened, this happened.
No shit, that shit was in thefucking news.

Speaker 3 (43:19):
man like we said they they did research on, did their
research yeah he was fallingasleep while saying like with
his head up yeah he'll do that,bro.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
Oh man, right there, boy be working hard but, um,
like we said, that's that's whatthey would essentially do and,
like I said, the movies woulddepict them in a different light
.

Speaker 3 (43:39):
So, yeah, for me, like, like, yeah, like you're
saying, I was like a very bigfan.
I would think the same thinglike you know, wow, like you
know, these people are likegiving their all to like, uh,
help these people and stuff likethat.
But when you start looking intoit you're like, okay, well,
maybe it's not really all there.
And after doing research, itreally just seems like they were

(44:02):
just there just to build theirown business, just to have their
own credibility.
And, like we said before, theyhad people lying, there were
false farm reports, there wereall this stuff.
You know not to not to throwshade at what they did or
anything Like I'm sure theycould have helped people, I'm

(44:23):
sure they did their part, butthe big cases the ones that at
least are movies and stuff likethat, like it just doesn't seem
like that was the full truth ofwhat actually was going on at
the time.
It sucks.
It sucks because I'm a reallybig fan.
I love the paranormal, I loveseeing stuff like that.
I know I have countless storiesof stuff that actually happened

(44:46):
.
It's just wild.
It's just wild Just learningabout someone else it does suck.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
Seeing like I'm not saying you're heroes, but right
right just like people that youuh, I wouldn't say held to a
high count, but like people thatyou, I mean, for me it was like
, for me it was heroes.

Speaker 3 (45:07):
Yeah, for me it was because, like I said from the
movie.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
You're like, damn, they do so much for people and
everything.
But like in the movies there'slike literally like the second
one.

Speaker 3 (45:16):
She, like the poor lady, had nothing.
You know she was strugglingwith her kids.
You know nobody else wasbelieving her.
She even don't want to believeherself.
You know they made a scene likethey.
You know they were sent there.
You know they, they were asked.
You know they, they went thereout of their their own good will
to help and they stay there.
And then you do the research.
You find out they weren't.
They weren't even invited, likenobody even called them.

(45:38):
They just show up, took acouple pictures and did like I'm
like damn like what the fuck.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
You know like that shit was not like in the movies.

Speaker 3 (45:46):
That was hey, that was not pee dog, that was.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
That ain't pee activities, right there, you
can't yeah, but, like we said,like all that that they did, and
then, like we said early, likepreviously, like the whole
allegation with ed warren, um,according to people, uh, having

(46:10):
the whole grooming situationwith the young girl and the wife
, or uh, lorraine warren,knowing about it but claiming
she didn't know about it.

Speaker 3 (46:19):
But and I feel like that was that was a more at that
time, that was a more commonthing too.
You know what I'm saying.
Like, I feel like I mean Idon't know nowadays, but I feel
like when you're having someonelike take care of your kids, you
know, and and that happens, youjust kind of got to blow them
off and stuff like that.
So it's just for me, it's juston the validity level, like it's

(46:41):
making me think like damn, thisshit probably did happen, like
you know, this shit, theyprobably did go through this or
that happened, you know.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
Well, they said that the girl was pregnant, uh-huhhuh
, and she made him.

Speaker 3 (46:53):
she made her, yes, I mean uh, lorraine knew about him
.
Made her according to allegedly.

Speaker 2 (46:57):
Allegedly according to the details and stuff that
people said on the internet orthe stuff you find on the
internet.
That's what it says, but Idon't know.
Y'all let us know what y'allthink.
I know we hate the um.
How would you say this, like,because I'm not trying to dog
them I'm not trying either.

Speaker 3 (47:15):
We're trying to like tell the truth we're just trying
, yeah, we're just, we're justsaying stuff.
We're just saying what we found, what online, the research
other people have done there yougo well shit what um?
Huh, yeah, that was weird, butum yeah, that's it, like I said
I'm a big fan.
Um, I like, like, like, yeah,like I looked up to these people

(47:37):
like damn, you know it's, it'spretty cool what they're doing,
it's amazing work what they'redoing and stuff like that, and
to find out that's not the wholecase, it's, it's a little
disheartening, it's a littleit's a little sad, it's a little
it hurts, you know, because youhold people out at a certain
standard or apply, and then justto find out that, uh, it's not

(47:58):
what you thought.

Speaker 2 (47:59):
You know I mean, y'all could do your own research
too, like if this is your firsttime hearing about this.
You know, it's always good todo your own research, yeah, do a
little bit of research yourselfand you could see the stuff
that they said, or look into thecases they done and everything,
and uh, just just see foryourself.
Pretty much you know, becausewe we say one thing, but I'm
sure there's like countlessother things that are said

(48:21):
online about oh but y'all didn'tsay this, or exactly did you
also know that this happened, orwell?
this person said like the whole.
Yeah, that's the thing you know,but this is what we saw.
This is just like reports thathave come to light uh, like we
said, the allegations, the wholeuh ness, the people who are

(48:41):
like the skeptic society orwhatever that showed, like you
know they said they did this butin reality, you know, they were
kind of hoaxing people orfabricating stuff and making it
look like it was legit andprofiting off of this pretty
much.
This is what gets me too,because they essentially, like
literally, profited all thepeople who were like haunted or
tormented.

(49:01):
But the part that gets me is yes, they might have been lying,
but what about the whole caseitself in general?

Speaker 3 (49:08):
that's all I was gonna.
I was gonna say that too.
It's like what we say herebefore.
Like you know, every, everyscary stories that we told here.
You know you could believe thatit's fake, or like any research
that we find it could be fake,but all it takes is just one
story that is real.
That allows you, like you knowwell, everything could be
possibilities the possibility.

(49:29):
So it's the same thing with youknow, know, as you know, we just
we brought back, we brought upthe negative on on what happened
with them, but and that's justcases that other people are
saying you know it wasn't real,but all it takes it is that one
case that they actually did helpa family, did, um, that
something you know, whatever itwas, and that and that's a real

(49:49):
story, that's a factual story,that's a story that they
actually help people.
So, even though we bring it up,like you can say, the negative
stuff, there is still a lot ofpositivity that you can find in
their work and stuff like thatyeah, I mean kind of like we
said, they created the wholepsychic society thing, which is
good because you know it allowspeople who might actually have a

(50:10):
gift to atleast have like a place to go
that that's true community to bea part of, and everything which
is a good thing, it's just the?
I guess it's.
It's a market business, it's ayeah, it's some.
It clouds it always.
Stuff like this is always, it'salways gonna be looked more or
it's gonna to over over,overshadow the good stuff, bad

(50:32):
stuff overshadow the good stuff.
That makes sense.
Yeah, so we're not.
We're not completely sayingthat, we're not completely
blowing them off or saying theynever helped.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
Blowing them off is a crazy sentence, whoa.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't
know, I don't know though Idon't know how to deal with
ghosts.

Speaker 3 (50:58):
You know, each ghost is different.

Speaker 2 (51:00):
No, but y'all let us know what y'all think, let us
know what y'all like anyinteresting facts that y'all may
have heard, or anydocumentaries you've seen, or
any videos you've seen, or anydetails or newspaper clip-ins,
videos or anything like thatthat you've seen, or any videos
you've seen, or any details ornewspaper clippings, videos or
anything like that that you'veseen of the warren family or
whatever.
Uh, let us know if there's anydetails that we might have
missed.
Obviously, like we said,there's so much out there, but

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we're hoping to at least broadenor like to show, like just just
show.
Shine some light on the fullpicture not just from the movies
and stuff, but what peopleclaim or what the reality of how
, everything, what's that?

Speaker 3 (51:39):
word, uh, like when you just one-sided.
What is it called?
Uh bro, I'm losing the word.

Speaker 2 (51:46):
We're not trying to be biased I was gonna say big,
we're not trying to be, somefucking piggots over here don't
just mess with y'all.
No, but yeah, we're not tryingto be biased or anything, but
it's just yeah like we toldy'all before look, even with the
paranormal stories, lookthere's.

Speaker 3 (52:05):
Like I told y'all before, I used to believe
everything was paranormal.
I'm trying to do better andjust find it if it's.
If it's a logical solution,there should be a logical
solution.
Not everything has to beparanormal.
If it's fucking paranormal, dog, stop praying.
It's paranormal.
But if it's not, you know, lookat other, look at a scientific
method.
Look at it like like we weretalking about the book.

(52:25):
You know you could just saynothing happened, there was
nothing in it.
But to make somebody else lieand stuff like that, it's just
um we don't need to do all that,really.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
Yeah, it just sucks.
You're making the people whoactually do, or?
Like people that believe in itdo like super not or not see
that people actually seesupernatural stuff or gifted to
like to deal with that stufflike it sucks, because when
stuff like this comes to light,it makes them look like they're
also hoaxing there you goscamming people.
Gotta tell the better myself yep, but according to what I've

(52:55):
heard from people who'veactually dealt with, like people
who could see or or or hearthings or clairvoyance in a
sense or like uh can fortunetell, or future like glance into
the future type of thing, likeI've had people say like yeah,
like they were like word forword, everything they said

(53:15):
happened, or yeah everythingthey told me was true or yep, or
if they're able to tell detailsabout someone's life or
someone's family and thatthey've never seen exactly never
met, never have named youractually they generally wouldn't
name the people.
They would just describe how theperson looks, because they
wouldn't go off and name thislike uh, do you know the, the
young one, or like the chubbyone, or the one that always

(53:38):
seems to be by himself, and the10 incher you know, the one
that's always in the bathroomfor, like I don't know, like a
solid, cool, five, three minuteswhich is a long time.
The first one's always a waste.
Okay, the first one nevercounts.

Speaker 3 (54:07):
My stomach used to be hurting.
Don't mind your business.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
I'm like Eminem I got to get rid of the first one for
it to be able to the first oneis just the safety.
Y'all can ask Mariah Careyabout that.
But um, yeah, we're gonna gooff into the next subject, I
guess.

Speaker 4 (54:26):
But y'all let us know , like we said, y'all let us
know what y'all think.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
Y'all can message us at cosmiccove, at K-O-S, m-i-c
underscore C-o-v-e, on instagramor on tiktok.

Speaker 1 (54:36):
But yeah, we're gonna head off to the next subject is
it all in your mind or could itbe real welcome to fear fact or
fiction?

Speaker 2 (54:48):
that's right.
That's right.
How do you say this?
Because I never learned this.

Speaker 3 (54:52):
I got you, I got you, I wrote it down too.
Okay, yeah, tsitsimeti,tsitsimeti, tsitsimeti Say it
again.
E in English.
Is E right?
Like the I?
You say E right, tsitsimeti,tsitsimeti, tsitsimeti, right.
T-t-m-e-t-t.
T-t-m-e-t-t, right there on thetop.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
T-t-m-e-t-t yeah, chat, the abbreviation is the
word, it's no, no.

Speaker 3 (55:18):
I can try to say this one.
I was saying T-T-M-E-T-T.
Yeah, I couldn't say the topone, I can only say the bottom
one, the abbreviation.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
I guess.

Speaker 3 (55:28):
So, bro, I never learned how to say it
T-C-M-E-T-E, t-c-m-e-t-e, thatshit about to spawn in.
Bro, I don't say that shit.
That shit about to spawn in.
What the fuck?
No, no, no, it can't.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
No, no, no, it can't.

Speaker 3 (55:41):
According to the notes Cause according According
to it, we still got a son.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
Right, we still got a son.

Speaker 3 (55:46):
Alright, so shake this out.
You want to start off?
No, you got it.

Speaker 2 (55:49):
This is the sitzy metzy, as we said, oh clean.

Speaker 3 (55:53):
That's a clean way to say it.
What's that?
I don't know how to say it.
Say that shit clean as fuck.
What's that?
Go ahead.
Say it again, fear isn't all inyour mind.
Could it be real?

Speaker 2 (56:04):
Yeah, I'm all for you .
I might be.
Cut that out.
Fiction, oh you don't know whatthis is hard, literally hard
but um, let him know what it is,bro, because I didn't know what

(56:24):
it was at first I came acrossit on a video.

Speaker 3 (56:27):
Good, good, good.
Yeah, I'm gonna tell you realquick how I got it.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
Like I was on YouTube and my algorithm is somewhat
horror stuff, somewhat of a.

Speaker 3 (56:35):
My shit is the same way right now.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
It's like either gambling videos, or it's like
horror videos or like uncannyvideos type thing, or it's just
like these streamers that Ifollow.

Speaker 3 (56:51):
Mine right now scary stuff.
I'm not getting on youtube pastpassing the clock, bro, that's
just like a knowledge boy juststarted feeding me straight.
Scary shit.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
You good, you good big dog, you good, I mean, you
don't watch that shit rightthere 12 o'clock, what o'clock
you're like?

Speaker 3 (56:59):
show me battlefield sex videos.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
Write the fuck down, stop showing me this shit.
Just be like an image of, likea window or something or
somebody going up the steps andI'm like, yeah, judging from the
grain of this video, I alreadyknow what's's coming up, so skip
.

Speaker 3 (57:11):
Bro, I say skipping videos.
I was going to go to myInstagram and be doing the same
thing because I be trying tofind videos and stuff like that
on it.
I'm going to try and hit melike a video like that Swipe,
swipe, big booty bitch.
Yeah, we're going to stay herefor a little bit.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
I was about to say bro say brother algorithm be
having you worried at night bro,so you'd be like, fuck bro, I
gotta, I gotta clear my mind getstraight on pornhub.

Speaker 3 (57:41):
How the fuck does that happen?
What the fuck?
I gotta get rid of thesethoughts, man.
All right, what when, in fear,beat your meat?

Speaker 2 (57:46):
assert dominance, because the ghost is not gonna
attack you if you're hard justlook at Taboo.

Speaker 3 (57:52):
Come get it.
Come get it All it takes is onetouch.
Breathe on me, I'm ready.
I've had the touch of a womanin years.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
Oh shit, everybody's like yeah, I thought we were
going to hear about some scarystuff, but, yeah, let me get off
of this.
No, but for real, real, for,like I said, it just popped up
on my youtube thing.

Speaker 3 (58:17):
Okay, it was talking about, like, some of the
scariest uh cryptids in mexico,or according to the origin, like
lore and stuff like that, andthat was one of them.
I was like what the fuck shesent me.
I said what the fuck you findthis shit for?

Speaker 2 (58:26):
I ain't never heard of this.

Speaker 3 (58:27):
Yeah, I never heard about this either.
Okay, well, here you go.
A little bit of information onthe Titsimeti Titsimeti.
Yeah, there you go.
In Aztec mythology, titsimetirefers to a type of celestial
deity associated with stars.
Titsimeti are typicallydepicted as skeletal women with

(58:47):
features like claws, sharp teethand eyes at their joints.
A skeletal woman with featureslike claws, sharp teeth and eyes
at their joints.
They are often shown wearingskirts adorned with skulls and
crossbones and necklaces made ofhuman hands and hearts.
Tizimethi can create andmanipulate darkness, often
summoning powerful shadows oreclipses.
They can drain life force,inflict cold damage or convert

(59:09):
positive energy into negativeenergy to harm others.
In some mythologies, they aretied to celestial events,
particularly solar eclipses,solar eclipses, and can
influence or even cause them.
They are often depicted asstrong, physically impulsive
creatures with powerful clawsand biting attacks, and

(59:30):
apparently they are frequentlyshown to be able to fly oh shit,
I didn't know that bro I hadwhen I was looking for these I
had to look through like,because they don't really have
like a lot a lot of information.
It's not too much so I just hadto keep like going back and I
found one that said apparentlythat can fly.
Um, there were particularlyfeared during solar eclipses, as

(59:52):
they were believed to attackthe sun, causing it to be
obscured.
Uh, these beings were alsoassociated with periods of
instability in the ethnic world,such as the five unlucky days,
uh called nomentemi, and the newfire ceremony marking the
beginning of a new cycle.
Um, you want to keep going, oryou you wanna?

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
uh, I'm just gonna do like a quick thing.
They essentially had like tworoles uh-huh like some people
would look at them or they wouldat one point be like linked
with fertility or invoked bymidwives and women in labor.
But then, on the other hand,they'd be like cosmic threats,
like just causing like unstablethings or be around during

(01:00:34):
unstable times or something, or,like you said, the five days,
the five days, yeah yeah, thatwas pretty much what I was okay,
inject into it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:42):
I'm gonna give you some more.
Um, okay, if sacrifices werenot performed to appease them,
tizimethi were believed todescend to earth, potentially
possessing man and ultimatelydevouring all living beings.
In some interpretations, theirdescent to earth was seen as a

(01:01:03):
prelude to the destruction ofhumanity.
Tizimethi are tied to the stars, especially those visible
around the sun during the solareclipse.
And just just like you saidthat, despite the terrifying
aspects, titimethi also played acomplex role in cosmic balance
and were associated withfertility.
Um, that's all I have inaspects of like you can break

(01:01:27):
like break their informationbreaking them down.

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
For, for the people that don't understand, like the
whole sun thing, because theykeep talking about a fifth sun,
uh, what was it?
Uh, sorry, um, I don't know howto write here, because it is
like end of the world threatsthat's essentially what?
When the sitsumeti would appearor be associated with was like

(01:01:51):
the end of an era.

Speaker 3 (01:01:53):
Like something around that sense.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
Which is just like the cumulation, cumulation, fuck
, I can't fucking say the wordCumulation.

Speaker 3 (01:02:02):
That's not even it.
Yeah, let me shut the fuck up.
That's not even it.
I don't even know what he said,it's just like a 52-year-old
cycle.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
Like that's how long the cycle is, and they call it
the new fire ceremony.
So if a sacred fire wasn'trekindled in a sacrifice's chest
, they were fated to descend anddevour humanity, or the fifth
sun would end.
So the sun's, like I said, isessentially just like or the
fifth sun myth is just like anerror an error era sorry, or uh.

(01:02:33):
Uh, how would you say?

Speaker 3 (01:02:37):
they started with the eclipse.
They're like, when they seewhat's the eclipse, they were
thinking that's what they werelike they were coming.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
Like like they were gonna bring, they were gonna
bring destruction, everything,even though it was just like a
natural, natural thing so, likean ass, like aztecs, believed
that this was recorded in acodices like the codex chimalpo
boca, and then accounts by shahwong shagun.

(01:03:09):
I don't know, it's just likerecording stuff but it says that
the universe has been destroyedand remade four times before oh
shit okay so, like I said, eachsun represents like a different
world era and each era had itsown ruling deity or, and then it
had like a way that the eraokay so, like the first, there
was like four previous sunsbefore the fifth sun.

(01:03:30):
So the first there was likefour previous sons before the
fifth son.
So the first son was now we.
Oh, oh, oh, oh oh the fourthjaguar four jaguars, what it's
called.
So the ruler was, and the peoplewere giants, and they ended
with jaguars devouring thegiants, okay, okay.

(01:03:51):
Then the second son was thefour wind, and the rule was, and
they ended with the greathurricane that destroyed the
world survivors transformed inthe monkeys.
The third son was the four rain,or now we, I don't fucking know
how to say this but the rulerwas like a rain god and it ended

(01:04:13):
because a rain of firedestroyed everything, and then
the survivors became turkeys,and then it gets crazy like okay
, okay and like the, the fourthson was just like a goddess of
water.
It ended because a massive flooddestroyed the world, survivors
became, and in the fifth son,our current age, which is four
movement, the ruler is the sungod.

(01:04:37):
So, after the destruction ofthe fourth son, the gods
gathered At some place To decidewho would become the new son.
Two gods volunteered.
One of them was a humble,deceased deity, and then the
other one was like a proud andwealthy god, and it says that
the humble one leapt into asacred fire, first becoming the

(01:04:59):
sun, and the other one jumpedinto the fire and became the
moon okay, damn.
So they had love for everythingthat was happening this is just
like crazy deep yeah, deep lorethat the Aztecs and stuff
believe, kind of like how theNative Americans have their

(01:05:20):
whole beliefs and everything,but it is dope because it's like
the reasoning behind what'shappening.

Speaker 3 (01:05:24):
This is their reasoning behind what?
Yeah, this is the reasoning.

Speaker 2 (01:05:26):
Previous people.
It wasn't just us.
It was people that turned intoturkeys.

Speaker 3 (01:05:33):
It makes sense in my book.
It sense hold on bro.

Speaker 2 (01:05:36):
Oh, go ahead, go ahead.
You got it, bro.
It's just crazy stuff, though.
Oh, you're good, you're good.
So we're back, y'all.
But and nor like for this, likefor the sitz to be connected
with.
All of this is because thatwhen the fifth sun dies, um, it

(01:05:58):
says the prophecy is when thefifth sun will end in the fifth
sun will end in earthquakes,when the earth collapses and the
sky falls.
This is why it's called formovement.
Movement meaning earthquakesand cosmic upheaval.
Um, they're tied to it becauseat the end of the fifth sun,
when the sun dies, either at theend of the 52 year, 52 year

(01:06:19):
calendar cycle, if the sacredfire falls, or the ultimate
prophesized destruction, theysaid to descend from the heavens
to devour humanity.
So, like I said, solar eclipseswere seen as rehearsal moments
for the apocalypse and the sun'slight vanishes and the star
demons, or like the Sitsimeti,have their chance to strike.
So that's essentially justpretty much like the end of the

(01:06:42):
world type of thing, like theirworld, yeah, yeah, like the
apocalypse, so the same.

Speaker 3 (01:06:48):
Funny.
You say that we're apocalypse.
You know, for the movieApocalypto they uh, the one they
were trying to prevent fromcoming um like to the one they
were trying to prevent fromcoming like to bring down
destruction, was when theeclipse happened.

Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
Oh shit it was huh Damn.

Speaker 3 (01:07:03):
Yeah, they were trying to like.
That's why they were like okay,it's a peace, because I got
some of the like the sacrificesthat they like or the rituals
that they would do to appeasethem in a sense, or like to ask
them for stuff and stuff likethat.
But it's crazy, like it's crazy.
It's crazy, but like it has itsown place, it has its own, it
makes its own sense, like it.

(01:07:24):
I guess if you were around forthat stuff in that time, it made
sense like yeah I mean, whatelse you gonna do, honestly,
like at the time, like you'rejust trying to like humans I
feel like they're just alwaystrying to find reason, reason to
the madness.
Honestly, like it would justthat that would make sense at
the time.
You know everybody rolling withit, like nobody gonna question
it because it's it's working.
You know in their eyes it wasworking.

(01:07:45):
You know they would do thesacrifices I was about to say
the clips will leave.
You know like it, withoutknowing that the clips was just
gonna happen just for a littlebit and then disappear, you know
and if you did question it alot, you were going to be the
next sacrifice.

Speaker 2 (01:07:59):
Good luck.

Speaker 3 (01:08:00):
Good luck, speak up, motherfucker.
I tell you, I double dog.
Dare you Go ahead, take hisheart out, go ahead.
Why are you still alive?
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
That shit is crazy, bro, but I I don't know, like
just it's, it's, it's crazy tothink that this is this is how
the people used to live back inthe day, like the way the native
people of the land believethings, or how things worked at
the time I mean, yeah it, it'scrazy.

Speaker 3 (01:08:30):
Now you know from from from a different point of
view from the outside, from theoutside looking at it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
Yes, I said they kill them all At the top of the damn
temple's.
Talking about some sun guy,bring me rain type shit For them
.

Speaker 3 (01:08:45):
They would see the results, they would.
You know, we sacrificed 20people today and it rains
tomorrow.
Shit, tomorrow, we're going tosacrifice fucking 25.
It's going to rain, you know.
And then, when it don't rain,well, 25 is not cutting it,
we're going to have to sacrifice100.
Like you can't.

(01:09:06):
I mean, the logic is somewhere.
Yeah, the logic is somewhere.
The math is somehow math-ing.
I don't know what else to say.

Speaker 2 (01:09:21):
I just, yeah, it's hard to understand the thought
process behind it but, like wesaid, you know it's different
when you're around.
That in that time cause theywere seeing the results- they
were seeing the results.

Speaker 3 (01:09:33):
That's the results they were thinking cause.
Now try to sacrifice 25motherfuckers and then straight
to jail.
You feel me Like where the fuckmy rain at, motherfucker?
We're in the dry season rightnow.
Fuck you doing.

Speaker 2 (01:09:45):
That ritual lied to me.
Oh, what is the ritual?
Oh yeah, I got you, I got you,I got you.

Speaker 3 (01:09:50):
So there was the tying together of the years.
This vital ceremony occurred atthe end of each 52-year cycle.
The other thing was, the52-year cycle was one Aztec
century.
You know how for us, a centuryis 100 years, for them it was 52

(01:10:10):
.
That was a century.
So all hearth fires across theAztec world were extinguished,
save for one sacred flame.
Ain't no way.
Hold on.
Yeah, someone pull up.
Give me a second, bro, my bad.

Speaker 2 (01:10:31):
Damn, my fucking mic keeps cutting out.
I think it's my cable Testingone, two, three, you good.
No, I think it's my cableTesting One, two, three, you
good.

Speaker 3 (01:10:42):
There's always a 12-gauge with Dragon Breath
rounds loaded up in the back ofthe couch but we just want to
make sure, okay, okay, um, okay,so, uh, yeah, so they were all,
all hearth fires across theaztec world were extinguished,

(01:11:04):
save for one sacred flame.
Um.
Now the new fire ceremony.
If a new fire could besuccessfully ignited from the
long surviving flame, itsymbolized the renewal of the
world and the postponement ofthe tzitzime's arrival.
However, if the fire could notbe started, it was believed the
world would plunge intopermanent darkness and that

(01:11:26):
tzitzime would, uh would descendto devour humankind.
Um, so some of the sacrificesthat would, that was like a
ritual, you know, but sacrifices, while the specifics remain a
subject of debate amonghistorians, it's important to
recognize that human and otherforms of sacrifice were an
integral part of ethnicreligious life, aimed at

(01:11:50):
honoring the gods andmaintaining the cosmic order.
Some accounts mentionsacrifices specifically to
prevent the tisimmeh fromdevastating humanity.
For example, the need to starta fire in the empty chest cavity
of a sacrificed human at theend of the 52 year cycle was
part of the ritual to avert thedescent of the tzimmeh.
Uh.

(01:12:11):
Some of the strategies theyused to, you could say, like to
avoid it was.
The Aztecs also had practicalguidelines for avoiding the
Titsime Stay indoors during thedry season, as these creatures
were believed to be less activeduring these months.
Avoid traveling at night and bewary during eclipses and
raining periods, as the Titsimewere particularly dangerous

(01:12:35):
during these times.
Be extra cautious aroundchildren, as they were believed
to be particularly vulnerable tothe Titsime were particularly
dangerous during these times.
Be extra cautious aroundchildren, as they were believed
to be particularly vulnerable tothe Tsitsime attacks.
So leave your kids at home, goto your other house, don't go
out at night type shit.

Speaker 2 (01:12:51):
That's all.

Speaker 3 (01:12:52):
That's all you had to do.
But yeah, that was basically it.
For what the fuck?
That was basically it for whatthey would do.

Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
They would just give sacrifices, just sacrifices.

Speaker 3 (01:13:05):
Like I said, they don't precisely know that.

Speaker 2 (01:13:07):
That's exactly what they did.

Speaker 3 (01:13:10):
Exactly what they did , but they know like it was
common, it was common.
Yeah, there you go, butpractice Lighting the.
It was common, it was commonyeah, there you go, but lighting
the fire in someone's chestcavity was insane.
That was a little insane for me.
I took these notes and readingthem back.

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
That shit sounds crazy, but y'all let us know
that's it.

Speaker 3 (01:13:30):
That's all you got.

Speaker 2 (01:13:31):
Yeah, that's all I got.
I tried looking for accounts orany stories from like what they
could see, or whatever you wantto call it, like the like
during the era.

Speaker 3 (01:13:42):
Yeah, they're in the era or whatever you want to call
it, but I couldn't find Icouldn't find anything either if
anything it just talked about,like writings of yeah, when I
when I talked in stories, theyjust gave me more information on
.
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:13:53):
That's how I found the one about the flying, like
how they fly yeah, that's um, Icouldn't find the word like,
like uh tails, or something likethat yeah, because, like I said
, I saw it on youtube and it wastalking about some cosmic
horror thing.
I was like dang, these thingssound legit and it was kind of
like on the fly and then when Istarted looking at it I was like
fuck, there's not enough shitabout this thing.

(01:14:15):
But I mean, sometimes you justgotta you need something to talk
about and this is what we thisis what I picked.
I liked it honestly, because Imean I mean it gives a brief
history of what life was like.

Speaker 3 (01:14:27):
Uh-huh, it gives yes, a little bit of an insight of
you know what's what was goingthrough their minds, what they
were their beliefs, theirbeliefs and everything you know
a little bit of a history,lesson a little bit, a little
bit.
It's gonna be on the nextepisode.
There's gonna be on the testtomorrow, I mean next episode.

Speaker 2 (01:14:42):
But, um, y'all let us know what y'all think, let us
know if y'all have anyinformation about the sitz and
metzi or if your family has anyhistory or knowledge about it,
because I know like somefamilies are pretty big, kind of
like in the sense of natives,like they pass down stories and
stuff like that that's the otherthing.

Speaker 3 (01:15:01):
I saw that there's a lot of variations to like.
Not even historians have like alike uh, this, it was just this
, like a lot of like.
They still are debating onwhether, uh, what one family
said, in a sense, you know, towhat another family said, to
what other people said.
I found.
There were other stuff wheredifferent links were given

(01:15:23):
different answers, but I feellike they're also.
They got them in the game orsomething like that, because
that's what I feel like I wasgetting the.
There was a point where I wasgetting the information and I
was like wait a minute.
This is like like this, where Iwas getting the formation and I
was like wait a minute, this isfor a game.

Speaker 2 (01:15:37):
I think it was for Dungeons and Dragons type of
game Because it appears in popculture.
They were on a Victor andValentino cartoon from Cartoon
Network.
I think it's like a Mexicancartoon.
It takes place in Mexico, butit's like American cartoon or
whatever they appeared in that.

Speaker 3 (01:15:55):
Dungeons game or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:15:57):
They appeared in I game or whatever they appeared
in, I think, scooby-doo episodeor some crap like that and then
they appeared in some otherstuff in pop culture.

Speaker 3 (01:16:03):
Yeah, I think I seen like this by.
Like I think I've seen before,I just don't remember precisely
what it is.
But yeah, I didn't knowanything about them.
But just reading up on it, likeI said, just after finding I
was like I was about to give you, I was about to give you.
I was about to give you likeyeah, they do like 55 damage if
you're killed in that 20.
But I was like, wait a minute,wait a minute.

Speaker 2 (01:16:20):
Wait a minute.

Speaker 3 (01:16:23):
This isn't real life, but yeah.
So I mean, there's stuff outthere, there's, you know,
information on everything.

Speaker 2 (01:16:31):
I guess if we got to rate this on a scale of 1 to 10,
I mean, there's not really muchtrue stuff that happens It'd
probably be a zero for me.

Speaker 3 (01:16:50):
But if it was to actually happen, it'd probably
be like a 10 or 9.
Like if you're telling me everytime there's an eclipse there's
stuff that's flying aroundfinding the eclipse you feel me.

Speaker 2 (01:16:57):
But there's no like, yeah, finding the eclipse, you
feel me, but it's him but.
But there's no like, yeah, thisis just no evidence.

Speaker 3 (01:17:02):
What you consider folks all right yeah folklore
folklore, folklore.
There you go, yeah, so yeah,I'm on the same page with you.

Speaker 2 (01:17:08):
Yeah, it'd be a zero for me yeah, but I mean it's
pretty cool stuff it's cool.

Speaker 3 (01:17:12):
Yeah, it's cool, history and everything it's
pretty cool topic pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (01:17:15):
Uh, I guess cryptid or celestial being that yeah,
yeah they used to believe andback in the day and everything
it's pretty cool, like yeah, Ilike it, I like the topic I hate
that there was like no morelike this account, yeah because
you know, most stuff have astory like, like the greek gods
and everything.
They all have origin storieslike he became this, because he

(01:17:38):
was made from.
He came from Zeus because, youknow, zeus had all them damn
fucking kids and everything andfor this one.

Speaker 3 (01:17:46):
There's just it was just a new start to a new world,
and it's just how to appease it, how not to get hurt by it, and
what the sacrifices you had todo.

Speaker 2 (01:17:57):
Really, um, yeah, I mean, there's nothing more we
could do, honestly, there's, wedid our job I mean, if y'all
want to look up, look up thestuff, do some deeper uh
research and everything I meanby all means.
I mean if it hopefully like um,I wouldn't say broadening your
knowledge, but uh, made youcurious and you actually go look

(01:18:20):
it up yourself, or go, look atthe trees and everything yeah,
because, like I said, the godsthat people believed in is
pretty cool.
Like we said, the greeks had,you know, their god.

Speaker 3 (01:18:34):
It's this damn cable, my fault, y'all I'm about to
the market but, like we said,the greeks had like their gods,
the romans had their gods, thenorse had their gods, the aztec
had their gods, the chinese hadtheir gods I feel, like the
essex, it wasn't so much as gods, but it was more of a deity,
deities and because they hadtheir gods, like kukulkan and
stuff like that, you know chalk,you know, um, I feel like these

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were just like you said.
They were just like theircryptids, in a sense, like just
stuff that they I don't eventhink they had full proof, but
it was just like what everybodywas doing at the time.

Speaker 2 (01:19:06):
So, but yeah, y'all let us know what y'all think,
though Let us know, like I saidbefore, if y'all have any
stories or any historians outthere that may know something
about this stuff.
Message at CosmicCove, atK-O-S-M-I-C-C-O-V-E, on
Instagram or on TikTok, butlet's go off and head on to the
final subject.

Speaker 3 (01:19:26):
Oh shit, 2,000 years later, Bow, bow, bow, bow, Chico
, oh well.

Speaker 2 (01:19:38):
So yeah, you know, yeah, let the people know I
ain't doing no research this onewas actually pretty crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:19:45):
It was good.

Speaker 2 (01:19:47):
I heard about this cause.
At first, when I heard about it, I was like dang, that's insane
.
And then, when I startedlooking to it, I was like wait a
minute, I feel like we listento a.
I've listened to a podcast.
That's why we drink uh-huh,fuck, fucking piece of shit.

Speaker 3 (01:20:03):
Microphone I'm going to mark that one, bro.
So we don't because we, we.

Speaker 2 (01:20:07):
I like listening to their podcast I haven't listened
to in a minute now but I like Ijust recently started.

Speaker 3 (01:20:12):
I like let my episodes uh, stack up.
Yeah, um, but yeah, like yousaid that ass, I was like like,
um, I didn't know who it was atfirst, but as I kept doing the
research, I was like I feel likeI've heard this one and I feel
like they're the ones to to havecovered it.
So hopefully we do it justice.
Hopefully I honestly try mybest on doing as much research
on this one as uh as possible,because it is a really

(01:20:34):
interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:20:35):
Oh, I just listened to their episode and went off
their research.
I just copied that shit wordfor word.
I just copied Em's notes.
So if y'all want to get mad atme, get mad at Em.
I'm going to spit in bar forbar or it's probably Christine.
It's Christine's, it'sChristine's, it's Christine's.
Y'all want to get mad at me,get mad at them.

Speaker 3 (01:20:55):
Yeah, they uh.

Speaker 2 (01:20:57):
I'm just going bar for bar.

Speaker 3 (01:20:58):
If we miss something, it's because I didn't copy what
they say correctly.
Did you want me?

Speaker 2 (01:21:04):
to start.

Speaker 3 (01:21:04):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, go ahead All right, so we're going
to be covering the the solder.
It's a disorder, right?
Correct?
Solder children case.
A solder children case.
So the solder childrendisappearance refers to the
mysterious case of five childrenwho went missing after fire
destroyed their home infayetteville, west virginia, on
christmas eve 1945.

(01:21:26):
The parents, george and jennysolder, believed their children
survived the fire and werekidnapped, despite the official
finding that were that the firewas accidental.
Uh, and the children perished.
Okay, so do you just interjectwhenever you want to like,
because I got like in this I Ijust got in the whole story

(01:21:47):
format, since like frombeginning to end, like yeah,
types of yeah so just let meknow whenever you would just uh
we're gonna start off with thevictims first uh say who the
victims were or how you gonna dono so the way I started was
like their how their day went,what happened throughout the day
, and then the fire, and thenhow the parents kept looking for

(01:22:10):
them and all the evidence andeverything that.
So, yeah, I'm just gonna say,like the victim, yeah, go ahead,
go ahead.
Yeah, give them the background.
Yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 2 (01:22:17):
I'm just gonna cover who the victims were.
Like we said the victims werelike five missing children or
desoldered children.
Uh, one of them was maurice,who was 14 years old, martha,
who was 12, uh, lois, who wasnine, uh, jenny, who was eight,
I think that's how you say it,and betty, who was five, and
that was just letting them know.
Yeah, you just let them know.
Yeah, yeah, because I thinkthat's how you say it, and betty

(01:22:37):
, who was five, and that wasjust letting them know yeah yeah
, yeah, yeah because, I guessthat, but it's like, yeah, like
way down the line, yeah, yeah,okay, okay, yeah.
But yeah, you go ahead and talkabout what happened.

Speaker 3 (01:22:46):
Okay, to lay out the background, uh, uh, george
sauter was rugged, hard-workingfamily man who had left his
hometown of georgio, soto andtula I hope I'm saying that
right uh, sardinia, uh, to moveto the land of dreams big usa,

(01:23:06):
big usa, big usa, uh.
When he was only 13, the quainttown of fayetteville was host
to immigrants from multipleEuropean nationalities who had
immigrated after or during theWorld War II.
The most abundant crowd was theItalian descent, as was George
Sauter himself and later hiswife, jenny Cipriani, who was a

(01:23:33):
small-time shop owner's daughter.
They went on to marry and havea thriving, lovely family of 12.
George, jenny and their 10children, the eldest of whom was
named John and age 23, and theyoungest was Sylvia, a little
girl age two.
Okay, so this is what happenedthe day before the fire.

(01:23:58):
So Marion, their oldestdaughter, bought home gifts for
all her young siblings from themoney she had saved doing her
job.
The delighted children beggedto stay up and, in accordance
with the happy occasion, jenny,the mom felt no harm in doing so

(01:24:18):
, as long as they fed thechickens and the cows and made
sure to clean up.
Okay, so she, the mom, woke upat about 12 30 am to attend to a
late night call and heard thevoice of a woman who asked for a
person she was not familiarwith.
In the background she couldhear the loud clinking of
glasses, as if a party, andRokas and their Rokas raucous

(01:24:41):
laughter.
She apologized and told herthat it was probably a wrong
number, receiving a quoteunquote weird laugh in return.
Bemused, she noticed thecurtains weren't drawn and sorry
, she noticed the curtainsweren't drawn and the lights
still on.
Maria slept on the sofa and,assuming that the young, the

(01:25:03):
young kids, were back in beds intheir rooms, she made a mental
note to chide them for, forleaving the lights on.
Uh.
So I looked at what chide means.
He just means, like, scold them, you know, just get onto them
for not leaving the lights on.
However, they usually did makesure to do so with the sense of
a niece.
She returned to bed so off thebat, just just to make sure
everybody, you know,understanding it, they would

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usually clean up afterthemselves.
This time they they had it okay.
So it was one in the morningwhen jenny heard a loud crash
from the roof, but, ignoring it,went back to sleep.
Just half an hour later sheawoke to smoke filling up the
rooms and witnessed the roomGeorge used as his office on
fire around the fuse box andtelephone.

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George, jenny and the eldestchildren, john Marion, george Jr
and the youngest daughter,sylvia, rushed out shouting for
the other five children to rushdownstairs, yet they heard no
reply.
All the efforts to aid thechildren seem to be getting
nowhere.
This is very important.
All right, check this out.

Speaker 2 (01:26:08):
I saw this one, that shit's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:26:10):
Okay, so we got a list.
We got a list here.
Guys, okay, so remember,they're trying to help their
family.
Guys, okay, so remember,they're trying to help their,
you know their, their family.
Number one george's cold storagetrucks refused to start,
despite having worked perfectlyfine in the morning when he took
them out for work.
Two the ladder for the housewas not in its usual space and,
despite george and john'sfrantic searching, seemed to

(01:26:33):
have disappeared.
Three a water barrel nearby wasfrozen, solid and of no use for
marion rushed to the neighborsto call the fire department for
uh, for fayetteville, which wasonly two and a half miles away
from their home.
The fire department is two anda half miles away from their
home, yet it did not connect.

(01:26:53):
The neighbor then called out toa motorist drawing past to try
to do so, who tried to call thedepartment from a phone at the
tavern, yet received no response.
Then they managed to drive tothe fire chief, fj Morris, and
alert him, but he surprisinglysaid, and I'll quote we are low
on manpower due to Christmas.

(01:27:14):
I do not know how to drive thetruck.
This is the chief.

Speaker 2 (01:27:19):
Insane, chief Insane.

Speaker 3 (01:27:22):
Chief Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:27:23):
How the fuck you the chief and don't know how to
drive the, how you don't knowhow to drive the boat, Cal.

Speaker 3 (01:27:27):
Right.
Shockingly, the fire departmentdid not reach until seven, did
not reach out until seven hourslater, the next day.
Okay.
Over the course of the nexthours, the family watched their
house come down crumbling andspeculated.
The five children had perishedin the fire.
That was until the firefightersresponded, one of whom, jen,

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was jenny's brother.
He tried to console her andtold her that they had found
absolutely no remains, which wasquite peculiar.
On a medical basis, accordingto several researchers, complete
cremation is not possibleunless there is a level of
physical handling.
But contradicting sources alsostate that the fire burned

(01:28:10):
forling of the crime scene.
It is at last in possibilitiesthat the bones were lost or
buried too deep to have beenextracted without proper
excavation measures.
I doubt it.
Want me to keep going.
Yeah, yeah, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:28:27):
Well would you cover why this happened, why the whole
fire happened?

Speaker 3 (01:28:34):
Like the theory of like yeah, you, if you want to
oh no, no, you go ahead.

Speaker 2 (01:28:38):
I just wanted to make sure you I'll cover it to like
later because that's a lot okay,okay, okay.
So no, you're good.

Speaker 3 (01:28:45):
So after four days, george and his wife could not
bear the sight of their burnthouse, so he bulldozed dirt over
the site of tragedy with theintention of converting it to a
memorial garden for the lostchildren.
Okay, so the next day localinquest found that there was no
foul play involved and the firehad occurred due to faulty

(01:29:05):
wiring.
The five children named,maurice 14, martha 12, lois 9,
jenny 8, betty 5, wereofficially declared dead on
December 30, 1945.
Okay, so the family startedquestioning the official reports
, stating that, stating many oftheir suspicions and suspects,

(01:29:27):
they were aided by privateinvestigator CeCe Tinsley in
their shadow, cece, in theirtumultuous journey towards
finding out the truth andjustice.
Okay, in their tumultuousjourney towards finding out the
truth and justice.
Okay, so one of the firsttheories was definitely that
foul play was involved.
If caused by an electricalproblem, why had the family's
Christmas lights stay lit up?

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In the early mornings of thefire, the missing ladder was
found hidden under an embankment23 meters away from the Sauter
residence that for me alreadyoff the top.
That's foul play right there.
That already off the top Offthe top.

Speaker 2 (01:30:03):
You feel me Pre-meditated, exactly
Pre-meditated, yep.

Speaker 3 (01:30:07):
Yep, okay.
Not only that, they found thetelephone line had been
meticulously cut instead ofburned, as they had initially
believed.

Speaker 4 (01:30:19):
I'm not a cop, I'm not a cop, I'm not a detective,
you feel me, and that's almostas crazy as jet fuel melting
steel beams.

Speaker 2 (01:30:28):
That's almost as crazy.
That's almost as crazy as that,okay.

Speaker 3 (01:30:34):
She got my hands.
Wait, hold on, all right.
Danny found an account Of asimilar fire that broke out
Around the same time and hadtaken Away the life Of a family
of seven.
Remains Were found.
So okay, just to make sureEverybody Like understand
Basically the same situation.
Remains were found On thatscene, despite the fire Having
lasted the same duration as theone In the solder home.

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There were still Like thatscene, despite the fire having
lasted the same duration as theone in the solder home.
There was still about.
There was still like remains.
An employee at the local morgueconfirmed this, talking about
how the fire could have neverbeen enough to remove every
trace of children.
The truck failure was also amystery, however.
In an interview to charlestonGazette Mail in 2013, one of

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George's sons-in-law studiedthat they may have flooded the
engine while trying to start inthe heist.
That's his son-in-law.
I don't know.
He wasn't even there.
So I'm not.
You feel me, I'm not sayinganything.
They could have flooded theengine, maybe, but you wasn't

(01:31:37):
even there.
Me personally, I wouldn't evenbe commenting on that.
That's not his son, that's hisson-in-law.
Okay, morris is said to haveburied a beef liver in the box
to act as proof of remains inthe box.
To act as proof of remains inan attempt to placate, like,

(01:31:59):
calm down, the family and deterthem from further search, as he
was worried.
So there was plenty, like okay.
So okay, let me continue.
He confessed to this when hewas confronted by George.
Adding to the worry, the youngSylvia later also found
something resembling a napalmpineapple bomb in the ashes.

(01:32:19):
Um, now I got this.
This has never been confirmedto have been a pineapple bomb, a
hand grenade or something elseentirely, but they did find
something.
They did find somethingresembling a bomb, uh, okay.
So from that, from the fake youknow the fake liver to the

(01:32:40):
quote-unquote bomb, now we gettwo suspects from this, okay.
So a few months ago, aninsurance salesman named hash
sorry, uh, a few months ago, aninsurance salesman has shown up
at the Sauter residence but waspolitely rebuffed by George.

(01:33:01):
He grew agitated in responseand gave a chilling warning your
goddamn house OK, quote, yourgoddamn house is going up in
smoke, he warned, and yourchildren are going to be
destroyed.
You are going to be paid forthe dirty remarks you have been
making about Mussolini.
Okay, george was indeed veryopen about his disdain for the

(01:33:27):
fascist dictator, which hadinevitably okay.
Y'all know what I'm trying tosay.

Speaker 2 (01:33:33):
Inevitably.

Speaker 3 (01:33:33):
Inevitably Anemone Say.
Anemone had left some heartfeelings and predominantly is
telling the immigrant communityhe did not take the threat
seriously.
They also found out that theman had been in fact on the
inquest jury that looked intotheir houses burning.
His name has not been confirmedto date and several links as to
whom he could have been, whocould to, as to whom he could

(01:33:58):
have been, exist yet withoutcertainty.
So we don't know who this guyis a ghost.
We don't know who he is, butit's crazy that he was actually
on like part of the part of theagent 47 right, he was part of
it.
Okay, so okay number two manright, yeah, agent 47.

Speaker 2 (01:34:16):
That's right, yeah, yeah that's it, man.

Speaker 3 (01:34:17):
Yeah, yeah, okay.
So next was the man who cut offthe telephone lines at the
sawdust.
This is wild for me.
Check this out.
Someone witnessed him takingaway a boat and tackle used to
remove car engines during thefire.
He admitted to the theft butanswered that he had no part in
starting the fire.
He had just wanted to cut offthe power lines but instead clip

(01:34:37):
the telephone line.
He was let free and no recordsexisted identifying him or
questioning why he wanted to cutthe lines to steal a boat and
tackle a boat.
Yeah, boats, not both.
My phone, a boat.
So he admitted to it.
There's witnesses saying thathe did it.
They didn't even botherquestioning him but like they

(01:35:00):
know, he was there, cuttinglines, okay.
So there's a third theory, whichhas never been proven, is
merely a thought.
It's one hinting at George'spossible altercation with the
Sicilian mafia which startedback in Italy.
He had never evaluated ortalked about his reason to move
to the usa in 1908.
Many speculated he had aproblem with them, which led to

(01:35:24):
them taking their revenge in hismanner, in this manner, and
kidnapping the five children hehad refused to be swayed into
their legion or allow himself tobe extorted by them.
It, uh, it has often beendismissed, since George was only
13 when he moved to the UnitedStates.
Okay, do you want me to keepgoing?

Speaker 2 (01:35:44):
That's a motherfucking.
You come to me on my daughter'swedding type shit.
That's some good shit rightthere.

Speaker 3 (01:35:54):
I do exactly what you were doing.
That's what you said.

Speaker 2 (01:35:59):
And you come to ask for a favor.
No the one I'm imagining is theone from Zootopia.
Oh yeah, what is it?
A?
Mole.

Speaker 3 (01:36:09):
Is it a mole?
Yeah, it's a mole.
That shit is killing me.

Speaker 4 (01:36:15):
All right Want me to keep going.
Yeah, you got it.
Okay, all right, want me tokeep going.

Speaker 3 (01:36:17):
Yeah, you got it.
Okay, all right, all right.
So the family did not give upand in 1949, did another
excavation that returned with afew bone fragments, but those
were found to be the vertebraeand most likely come from the
dirt that George had bulldozedover the site by a Washington DC
pathologist pathologistpathologist named Oscar B Hunter

(01:36:42):
.
Later, tinsley supposedlyconfirmed that the bone
fragments had come from acemetery in Mount Hope but could
not explain how they came to beat the fire site.
For me again, that is foul play.
I feel like they just threwthat in there, just to try to
like, just you know.

Speaker 2 (01:37:00):
Say they found something.
Exactly, it had nothing to dowith it.
Exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:37:05):
Okay, so there were several reports of signings, but
all of them proved to either befalse leads or unfruitful
endeavors that led George as faras Texas, charleston, florida
and Missouri.
One of the main leads were froma woman named ida crushfield,
who ran the charleston hotel,claiming to have seen the
children a week after thedisappearance in their hotel,

(01:37:27):
accompanied by people of uhquote italian extraction.
Uh, this lead is not consideredeligible for credibility and
for me that is fucked up.
When families going throughthis and for you to call them
and be like, oh, I saw them,like yeah, that's fucked up,
that's just fucked up.
That's fucked up, bro, that'sfucked up.

(01:37:48):
Um, okay, so they found themost credible evidence in 1967.
Almost 20 years later, one day,janie found a letter addressed
to her, postmarked Kentucky,with no return address.
Inside was a picture of a youngman of around 30, with features
strongly resembling Louis Louis.

Speaker 2 (01:38:13):
Is it a boy or a girl ?

Speaker 3 (01:38:14):
It's a boy, I think.
Oh, I said Lois bro, I saidLois too yeah, louise, bro, it's
Louise.

Speaker 2 (01:38:19):
I forget, I forget.
They didn't tell me, theydidn't tell me.

Speaker 3 (01:38:22):
I forgot that.
Yeah, my fault.

Speaker 2 (01:38:23):
My fault, Gangie.

Speaker 4 (01:38:24):
I just knew the names .
I didn't know what they were.

Speaker 3 (01:38:37):
Mellow female.
It was accompanied by a letterstating love Luis Sauter.
I love brother Frankie.
This is, however, no proof asto who this young man was, and
the Sauter family was never ableto attract him, despite
repeated attempts.
It is often thought of as acruel joke on the Grimm family,
yet the Sauter family consideredit their most promising lead.
George Sauter died in 1969.

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Janney passed away in 1989.
Sylvia sauter, the youngest ofthe sauter children, passed away
in april 2021.
Damn she.
She believed that her siblingsdid not perish in that fire.
She continued to contest forthis, as do the sauer families
and grandchildren.
Uh, this case remains longunsolved and, seeing the

(01:39:18):
circumstances as a lack ofproper handling by the legal and
justice departments at the time, it may as well continue to
stay unsolved.
That's all I have.

Speaker 2 (01:39:32):
Yeah, that's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:39:35):
That is.

Speaker 2 (01:39:39):
Let me see if I have anything.

Speaker 3 (01:39:40):
Yeah that's crazy, that is Let me see if I have
anything.

Speaker 2 (01:39:41):
Yeah, my phone.
Well, about the bones, becauseI know some people are going to
have questions about the bones.

Speaker 3 (01:39:46):
Oh yeah, about the bones.

Speaker 2 (01:39:46):
Go ahead, Because experts said that if you wanted
to cremate the bones because Iknow some people are like, well,
it was a fire and the boneswould definitely be cremated,
and no, you need at least aconstant heat of 2000 fahrenheit
.
Is what the scientists orwhatever you want to call it,
the people, the experts, say youneed at least a constant heat

(01:40:08):
of 2000 uh fahrenheit degrees,whatever you want to say, for
the bones to actually beproduced into like ash or
whatever, to actually yeah, toactually yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:40:20):
But not only that, but there was a whole nother
family, that kind of like, wentthrough the same thing and they
found the bones like, like, was.
Did that for me automaticallylike, like, whatever.
Whatever your theory is sayingthat, no, the bones got burned
in the fire.
No, they're automatically outthe window.
It burned for the same amountof time.

(01:40:41):
It was the same type of fire.
It was just a house fire.
Unless you added something elseto the fire, I don't see how it
would burn up.
It would turn bones into ash.

Speaker 2 (01:40:55):
I saw there was a couple eyewitnesses report after
the fire.
Okay, so people claim to haveseen the solder children alive.
So there was like a bus driveron christmas night.
He reported seeing peoplethrowing fireballs at the solder
house at night okay, there wasa motorist in fayetteville that

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saw people at a rest stop about45 minutes after the fire with
the children inside a car okay,that's what the eyewitness
report says uh hotel staff.
In charleston, west virginia, awoman claimed she saw the
children with two men and twowomen of italian descent who
wouldn't allow the kids to speakokay, okay sightings in texas

(01:41:39):
and florida.
Um, from 1946 to 1950s.
Multiple tips came in,including one from a woman in st
louis who said martha was inthe convent, was in a convent
there, I guess.
Uh, 1968 was that familypicture that said, uh, louise
sauter, I love brother frankie.

(01:41:59):
Um, that was in 1968.
Um, that was pretty much it.
Everything else is pretty muchlike you said, accident of fire
or like mafia politicalretaliation, for some people
were saying child trafficking,but that's I mean, I feel like

(01:42:20):
and I and I wouldn't really sayit was that.
It's more along the line.
Well, fit for me what the storythat fits for me is.
The dude was saying stuff aboutmusolini who was like a fascist
or whatever not fat, he was awhole like dictator and
everything and he had to votepeople for him and everything.
And it's crazy because you knowyou escape that from the

(01:42:40):
hometown or the area that youlive.
Try to run away from that, butit's still in the area Over here
in the US and people were stilllike vouchers or believers.

Speaker 3 (01:42:51):
They're still believing, or like supporting,
or like praising, or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:42:55):
That's crazy to me right there.
Or like praising or whatever.
That's crazy to me right there.
And the fact that you havedeveloped people to the cause
well, to that cause.
It's insane because somebodylike that would do something
crazy to people.

Speaker 3 (01:43:08):
They would.
Yeah, I mean that's a radicalmind, yeah there you go.
That's an extremist mind rightthere, that's that Nazi mindset,
bro.
The fact that you said aboutpeople seeing the kids, still I
I don't believe it and I don'tlike it because there's been
other cases where in recentcases where, like, the kids go

(01:43:28):
missing, like, let's say, justnot necessarily to disagree, but
the kids go missing, peoplewill phone in saying, oh, I saw
your kid over here, blah, blah,blah, whatever.
And then they go and talk tothe people like no, I just want
to they admit, just making it upLike I don't know what the fuck
be going on with people.
But people like Right being apart of something they have a
business.
Exactly, they love that.
I don't understand why.

(01:43:48):
The other thing is if they songwith people right, maybe this
is just me.
Like I said, I'm just speakingfrom an outside point of view.
If they're walking us, you know, if they're walking us like out
in public, I start screaming.
Like you know.

Speaker 2 (01:44:08):
Like If you're being like, If I'm being like Killed
captive or something.

Speaker 3 (01:44:10):
I start we're in public.
Like we're in public, likeobviously they're keeping you
alive for a reason, like theyneed you alive for a reason.
They need you alive for areason.
I'll start screaming.
They kidnapped the fuck out ofme, hell, hell.
I'll start screaming.
That's just like I said.
That's just me personally.
I don't know if it was them, Idon't know what they told them,

(01:44:31):
I don't know if they had themthreatened or whatever, but I
just don't see them taking thatrisk of walking them publicly or
showing like, in a sense, youknow, just like, well, yeah,
just walking with them publicly.
I feel like that's too much of arisk If you are kidnapping them
or like sex trafficking orwhatever you're doing with them.

Speaker 2 (01:44:52):
I feel, like that's too much of a risk to just have
them out and about like that.

Speaker 3 (01:45:01):
I saw that they said there was italian plws in west
virginia.
Oh, oh, personal words.

Speaker 2 (01:45:03):
Yeah, so it says, during world war ii, west
virginia housed italianprisoners of war at various
camps and they said there wasone about 50 miles from awful
there okay and they said manyplws were allowed to work in
local communities on farms andprojects, meaning some were
walking freely in towns duringand after the war.

(01:45:24):
Oh, and it says, a few of themwere like pro musolini even
after italy surrendered in 1943oh shit okay so even with like
them, like still being for thatcause or whatever their belief,
or whatever you want to callthat, and to have that dude Talk
smack about Mussolini, theystill like.

(01:45:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:45:46):
They don't like it.
Yeah, I mean like I said, butthat's just part of people like
Radical mind.
Radical mind, but it's just Forthem.
They was probably like you know.
We'll do this To honorMussolini, and Mussolini doesn't
even know nothing you know, noteven on the radar and shit.

Speaker 2 (01:46:04):
I saw that Fayetteville and West Virginia
State Police refused tocooperate.

Speaker 3 (01:46:10):
No, explanation was given.

Speaker 2 (01:46:11):
Oh yeah, yeah, so George and Jenny begged J Edgar
Hoover to investigate and Hooveractually responded saying he
would help if local authoritiesrequested FBI assistance.
And how would you say?

(01:46:34):
I'm trying to look up to likewhy the FBI wasn't involved.

Speaker 3 (01:46:37):
Yeah, I was going to look up to like why the FBI
wasn't involved.
Yeah, I was going to say I gotthat the agency climbed to
investigate, citing that, citingit as a local matter.
That's crazy they just say likeno, it's a local matter.

Speaker 2 (01:46:49):
Even though the police wasn't trying to help.

Speaker 3 (01:46:51):
So I don't know, bro, that for me is like it's it's a
whole lot of foul play.

Speaker 2 (01:46:59):
I don't understand why the fbi wouldn't want to
help why they would reduce it tolike well, then again, like it
was an italian family, I'm surelike you're right, you're right,
you're right.
You would have a lot ofprejudice like I don't mean to
be that guy, but I mean ifthings do tend to be a little
bit more for another group orother ethnicity or race or

(01:47:21):
whatever over another group Ididn't think about that You're
right you can kind of see that.
Especially in town, especiallyin that time where you have
people that are just like I needto protect my people.
I really don't care about thempeople or those matters.

Speaker 3 (01:47:35):
Yeah, I didn't think about that.
That's a good point.
That's a really good point.

Speaker 2 (01:47:40):
I mean, I'm just, saying the facts he just that's
just the way people thought backthen.

Speaker 3 (01:47:44):
Yeah, that is that is that is that.
Has a naive thing about that.

Speaker 2 (01:47:52):
What else was there?
That's pretty much it, right.
Mm-hmm right.
I mean it's a fucked up thingthat happened to them sorry, I'm
trying to no, you're good yeah,that's pretty much the whole
eyewitness thing and the wholeentire case pretty much.

Speaker 3 (01:48:13):
I mean throughout the whole thing.
It just looks like it's withthe person that actually found
him cutting the ladder, that'syou know gone completely gone uh
the vehicle's not working.
The vehicle's not working.
Water was frozen, but I feellike you know you it could have
been cold.
It could have been cold, youknow it's, it's you know, but
it's still, I feel like I mean,what can you?

(01:48:36):
Do you know it's the water,that's his nature.

Speaker 2 (01:48:39):
Yeah, I wouldn't really count that as anything.

Speaker 3 (01:48:41):
Yeah, I wouldn't call it, but the ladder, the car
that's starting the phone line,the phone lines, you know the
firefighters not wanting to helpthe chief not wanting to drop
the truck, the chief not wantingto drop the truck.
Crazy to me.
It's crazy.
It's so much foul play, it's somuch.

Speaker 2 (01:49:00):
Them planning evidence or organs to try and
mislead people into thinkingyeah, we found something, but it
turned out to be.

Speaker 3 (01:49:08):
That was not the case .
Yeah, the police were trying tojust blow them off.
It's insane.
Like Reverend said, it was adifferent time.
Uh, like reverend said, it wasa, it was a different time.
But I mean, it's just, it's.
It's crazy to think that theywill allow something like that
yeah, it's a.

Speaker 2 (01:49:25):
It's a crazy case and the fact that they went missing
it's kind of like that's themost fucked up part.

Speaker 3 (01:49:30):
It's sad in a sense, bro, because I mean there were
still kids.
Yeah, there were kids andeverything and what.

Speaker 2 (01:49:36):
What gets me is the fact that they wouldn't hear the
kids leave or didn't hear themwell they?

Speaker 3 (01:49:44):
I feel like I fell asleep.

Speaker 2 (01:49:47):
The mom fell asleep, let them play with the toys, the
christmas toys, whatever.
But you would think, as aparent, you would hear because,
bro, they had 10 kids that, butthat's the thing.

Speaker 3 (01:49:57):
They had 10 kids and maybe they were just so used to
always noise and you know, stuffhappened like like, like the
mom, she, you know she let himstay up because you know it's
the older sister, you knowthey're having a good time and
honestly, I mean it's not likeum, you know you're not
expecting that, you're notthinking, you know maybe I
should stay up because they'reprobably gonna break into the

(01:50:19):
house and you know they'reliving their life and I feel
like that that's another, that'sanother big thing.
I feel like, because they weretrying to say like they had,
like um, mob ties or like theyhad, like you know, done stuff
with the mafia and stuff likethat.
I feel like if that was thecase, I mean like he'd be more
alert or more alert or more like, even if he kept it on the down

(01:50:39):
low, you know he might havejust been more alert.
But I feel like they were justliving their life.
They had a good, happy life.
I don't feel like they were.
They had, I don't think they hadany like problems with anybody,
honestly, and just a radicalmind.
You know someone just notstable, just not thinking they
seized the opportunity becauseyou know, when she came down at

(01:51:00):
1230 and everything was lightson the windows weren't I mean,
the blinds weren't drawn andstuff like that she didn't even
think nothing like crazy,because you know she was just
okay.
You know they just went tosleep.
The oldest is sleeping.
You know the kids are gone.
You know like they're gone tosleep.
You know that's not.
I don't feel like it's normalfor them to mind be like, oh my

(01:51:22):
god, someone took my kids.
You know, especially, they'reliving their happy life like if
their life was constantly.
You know they're constantlydoing shit that they're not
supposed to.
Yeah, I feel like, okay, yeah,you gotta be checking your kids
24 7 kids is crazy to check upon.

Speaker 2 (01:51:35):
But in my humble opinion, bro, the mom is gonna
check and make sure all the kidsare there, like in my, my
experience yeah, mom and unclewas like no matter what our
cousins and us.
Like you know, they'd comearound before everybody goes to
sleep.
They'd stick their head in justsay good night type of thing,

(01:51:56):
just something real quick.
Okay, I see him, him, him.
Okay, they're good.
Let me go in the girls room.
Him, him, him okay and uh, youknow, just do a quick count off,
I guess.

Speaker 3 (01:52:05):
In a sense I feel like, if that's me personally, I
feel like you know, becauseobviously like I do it and I
only have one, kid you know,yeah, yeah, I know she's in the
bed, but you still want to checkeverything, but every so often
I would go check make sure she'sgood, make sure she's sleeping
right her, no blankets in herface, no pillows over her face

(01:52:27):
make sure she's not tangled up,or or just something crazy like,
oh, like, it's just that parentright mindset or instinct to
constantly at least go check.

Speaker 2 (01:52:37):
So I feel like I'm not saying that she's the blame,
but I'm saying like it's crazyhow four or five of them would
go missing before.

Speaker 3 (01:52:47):
All of that would I feel like I feel agreeing with
you what you're saying.
I feel like also she's theykind of got too comfortable,
like also relying on the kids.
Just you know, all the kidskeep track of each kid, like you
know.
Like that, that's what I'mfeeling, that's that just.

Speaker 2 (01:53:04):
No, yeah, like I said , I don't know what happened,
but I'm just saying, like kidsin charge yeah, I just feel like
, like and then they'll fallasleep because yeah, like like
for me, my mom would be likewhat's your brothers?

Speaker 3 (01:53:13):
like like she's not taking from me, she's like
what's your brothers?
And like I don't know, likeone's here, one's over here,
one's there.
So I just feel like they got tothat role because they were
older kids.
You know, I feel like they justgot so comfortable and and,
like you know, we have apeaceful home, we have a safe
home.
You know you wake up, you don't.
You know, but like to yourpoint also, I feel like if I

(01:53:35):
would see that they didn't closethe blinds and turn off the
lights, I would be like, hey,what the fuck y'all doing?
Even if they were asleep, itwas around Christmas time.
I know y'all not sleeping, Iknow y'all not sleeping.
What do y'all do?
Like you said, I would go checkon them, see what's going on.

Speaker 2 (01:53:53):
Again, not blaming the mom, Not you know, but it's
crazy that five of them would gowell, I mean in, in, in their
defense.
They didn't know they weremissing.

Speaker 3 (01:54:04):
Yeah, because the fire happened, because you know
she woke up smoke everywhere andI guess within that time frame
the five went missing yeah, Imean they said the fire, they
were screaming for them to comeout because, like the ones that
got up, you know they left.
They were screaming for them tocome out because, like the ones
that got up, you know they leftand they were like screaming
them to get up.
Also, me, I feel like, again Idon't know how crazy the fire

(01:54:24):
was.
At this point, me, I would haveran into the house and tried to
see who I could find, or likesee where everybody at.
Like, you know, let's go, let'sgo.

Speaker 2 (01:54:42):
And they said the staircase was already blocked
off from the flame.

Speaker 3 (01:54:43):
Okay, there you go yeah, exactly.
So I mean I mean what, what canyou do?
You know, as you know, theytried, they tried, they tried.
I mean they tried the ladder,they tried to get in the truck
everything it they, the stuffjust wasn't there.
So for me again, that is foulplay, that is just um.
Why would it be, you know,underneath, hitting somewhere,
you know 23 meters from thehouse, like me personally the
way.

Speaker 2 (01:55:01):
I don't even know.
I should say this because it'snot.
It's not anything bad, it'sjust like would you rather your
younger children be upstairs ordownstairs in the sense of a
fire happening?
Would you rather them?
Them be downstairs and olderones be upstairs?

Speaker 3 (01:55:18):
But here's the thing I wouldn't want my youngest one
to be downstairs.

Speaker 2 (01:55:21):
That's why I was like , yeah, it's tough.

Speaker 3 (01:55:24):
It's tough.
It's a tough situation.
It's a tough situation, it'stough circumstances.
It's tough because it's thesame thing.
Nobody's ever thinking of afire.

Speaker 2 (01:55:33):
Yeah, or something like that, like, or something
like that, I mean you're notbecause why would you?

Speaker 3 (01:55:37):
you know, why would you be christmas, on christmas
especially?
You know, on christmas, youknow you're like.
You know my family's here, myoldest are taking care.
The man was a hard-working man,you know he's, you know he's.
He worked all day, you know he.
I'm pretty sure he worked onchristmas.
Still, you know man's justtired, you know.
You just know like, my oldestare here, they're having a good

(01:55:58):
time.
You know that that's all thatmatters.

Speaker 2 (01:56:01):
You're not thinking maybe I should stay up fuck, I
feel like the house is gonnacatch on fire type of shit.
You know exactly like but, andI guess, like all right, because
you you can't say it's notgonna be be on your mind.
You right, somebody comes up toyour house.
I'm an insurance salesman.
Hey, get out of here, bro.
Your house is going to catch onfire.

(01:56:23):
I swear Mussolini, you're goingto regret everything.
You said it's going to catch onfire.
Then you got somebody elsesaying hey, that box right there
is going to catch on fire.
I don't know, though I like,hey, that that box right there's
gonna catch on fire.
I don't know, though, I likethat ladder right, I mean, yeah,
I mean, you know, that would besomething that stick in my head
like the fuck.

(01:56:43):
And then, like I'd me the way,I think I'd inspect myself a
ring camera, silly goose um no,I'm just joking, you know, yeah
yeah, yeah, but um, it's becausethat would be something that

(01:57:08):
sticks in my head.

Speaker 3 (01:57:09):
That's just me the way I think, though.
Yeah, because that was just theday before.
Right, the way that dude?
Yeah, I feel like.

Speaker 2 (01:57:19):
You wouldn't have no thoughts like that.

Speaker 3 (01:57:21):
I would have thoughts , but at the same time.

Speaker 2 (01:57:23):
It's Christmas so you wouldn't want that to kill the
mood, like yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:57:26):
Like, because, like I would overthink on that.
But you know, like I said, likeyou know, I'm there for my
family, I'm not even trying tothink about I'm like.
You know, I'm there for myfamily, I'm not even trying to
think about it, I'm not even youknow.
For me, that would be like he'sjust mad because he didn't make
a sale.
He's just.
People act rash, people do saystupid stuff when they don't

(01:57:48):
know how to control theiremotions.
So for me it was just like allright, bro, bro, he's just mad,
you know, because he didn't makea sale.
You know, whatever, and it'sChristmas time, I'm trying to be
with my family, I had a longday, whatever.
Like I said, I can't blame himfor that.
For me, I would probably beinsatiable, that's it.

(01:58:10):
I ain't going to give this dudemy energy.
I ain't going to give him mypaper money, Because otherwise
you're going to be picking outthe window with the shotgun.

Speaker 2 (01:58:19):
You feel me, me, I know he's coming up.
He's coming up here.
I can feel him, matter of fact,double down, I'm doing a 48
hour one.
You're going to knock the fuckout.
I'm watching everything.
You're going to OD on.

Speaker 3 (01:58:34):
Christmas Daddy.
Daddy, it's stiff.
Fuck, Pull me out your mouth.
I mean it's tough.
It's a tough.

Speaker 2 (01:58:45):
No, yeah, because like you said, you never know
when something like that's goingto happen.
It's unpredictable and, like wesaid radical minds, you can
never expect what they're goingto do.
One minute.
They'll just look at you andsay a couple things, but you
would think that's where thewhole thing ends and, for all we
know, it probably was even them.

Speaker 3 (01:59:06):
For you know, for all we know, like we, like we don't
know, that's just the stuffthat they that, that that stood
out, that they remember.
For all we know, it was somecrazy dude that was just walking
by, saw the kids sleeping,somehow, somehow managed to get
them out the house and maybe thefire was really just an

(01:59:27):
accident, you know the kidsgetting out the house is just
crazy to me I don't know that's.
I don't know how that happened.
I don't know how like if it wascould.
Hey, I don't know how thathappened.

Speaker 2 (01:59:39):
I don't know how.

Speaker 3 (01:59:39):
Aliens Could.
Hey, no, I'm just joking themfucking bigots.
You know.
But you know we don't know.
We don't know what reallyhappened.
All we have is what theyremember was stood out to them
Before we know it.

(02:00:00):
It wasn't even nothing, nothingto do with what they think,
would think happened.

Speaker 2 (02:00:02):
You know, that is crazy, bro, like the fact that
stuff shit, the fact that stufflike this actually happens is
just crazy to me.

Speaker 3 (02:00:09):
Like oh, somebody would do it.
It's even crazier like don'tfight somebody who actually
would do it.
And on christmas, and onchristmas come, on now.
On Jesus' birthday, come on now.

Speaker 2 (02:00:21):
That shit is crazy to me.
I don't know, though Y'all, letus know what y'all think.
Let us know what y'all believeor any theories that you might
have, or any interesting factsthat you might have, or details
that we might have missed, tellus and let us know Messages at
Cosmic Cove, at KOSMICunderscore C-O-V-E.
Be sure to like, follow us.

(02:00:42):
I would say subscribe, but I'venot been posting on YouTube.
Sorry y'all, I've been slacking.
Youtube is the bag.
According to everybody, youtubeis the money bag.

Speaker 3 (02:00:50):
The bags where they got the most sensors.

Speaker 2 (02:00:52):
Right, the bag.
Yeah, for real, they give thebag, but they do have so much
regulations and rules.
I thought TikTok was bad but,like I said, thank you so much
for listening, thank you so muchfor always tuning in, thank you
for all the returning listeners.
You know we really appreciateyou very much.
Thanks again for getting us to.
Oh yeah, we got to a thousanddownloads.

(02:01:14):
Oh yeah, we're at a're at 1,000downloads.

Speaker 3 (02:01:16):
Fuck it.

Speaker 2 (02:01:16):
Fuck we popping a bottle right now.
Fuck it, we're about to go tothe club.
We're about to pop a champagne.
Fuck it.
Bring the sign.

Speaker 3 (02:01:23):
I'll put it on red.
Fuck it, Fuck about now, man.
Fuck all that shit.
Man Put the whole check on red.

Speaker 2 (02:01:31):
I'll sweetly but, like I said, thank you all so
much for all the love andsupport you all continue to give
us.
Thank you all for liking theTikTok videos.
If any of you are listeners andthen watch us on TikTok, you
know we had a special guestlined up.
We had a couple special gueststhat were supposed to show up

(02:01:52):
but things happened.
So we're going to have to pushback on the special guest
episode and probably have tofind some other people or do
something, do somethingdifferent.
Damn fucking cable.
I might have to, just unless wecan find somebody.
I'm just going to try.
Maybe do something different.
I don't know yet, but wegetting fucked up but I don't

(02:02:19):
know.
But, like I said, thank you somuch for tuning in everybody.
You know we really appreciateit.
Shout out to my girlfriend, youknow, thank you for always
supporting me and being therefor me.
Shout out to my cousin, pepe,for always listening.
Shout out the man sammy sosa,for tuning in every week.
You know I really shout out,big shout out the check's only
gonna come in because y'all keeplistening, that's all I'm gonna
say but, um, thank y'all againso much for the love and support

(02:02:42):
y'all give us.
You know, thanks for the follow,the likes, the shares on tiktok
, for everything.
Um, that's pretty much it on myend.

Speaker 3 (02:02:49):
You got anything oh, just shout out, shout out the
fam shout out, uh, shout out,saying, saying so.
So really, that man it's, itjust feels good Just watching
the man live, because this manjust be Like, what are you
laughing at?
He's like the podcast, that'sright.

Speaker 2 (02:03:04):
I'm surprised he actually Picked it up and likes
it, bro Me too, bro Because.
He has like a.

Speaker 3 (02:03:09):
He's very picky about the stuff he be he be listening
to.
To Bro, this man, I gotta sendyou a video of him.
Like he's just dead.
I was just laughing likethrough, like by him.
I'm like sam, what the fuck youlaughing at, bro?
He's like oh, the podcast.
You feel me.
You feel that shit.
We gave me fucking hard as shit.
You ain't the only one.
Everything it just feels good.

(02:03:30):
You know that.

Speaker 2 (02:03:30):
You know whenever there's a funny moment.
I'm like damn I know he heardthis funny moment I know, sam
Sammy Sosa laughing at thisright now, because I am.
That's it Exactly.

Speaker 3 (02:03:39):
I know he's going to like this right here.
I made this joke just for you,just for him, just for him to
have a chuckle.
But just shout out andeverybody, of course everybody
still listening here, supportingus here for the shenanigans.

Speaker 2 (02:03:53):
Just thank you honestly.
That's pretty much it.

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