August 9, 2025 • 37 mins
In this special listener-driven episode, Kyle dives into three standout questions that hit hard and get real:
💬 Topics Covered:
- The daily grind vs. the broken system – Is capitalism working for anyone anymore?
- Staying open-minded in hard conversations – How Kyle keeps the walls down during disagreements.
- Platforming vs. endorsing – How the show handles controversial guests and draws the line.
These aren’t surface-level chats, expect candid answers, some hard truths, and the usual yap. Whether you’re juggling three jobs or just trying to keep your cool in tough conversations, this episode’s for you.
📨 Listener Questions On:
- hustle culture and capitalism fatigue
- how to stay open without getting defensive
- balancing empathy and accountability with guests
💌 Got a question for the show?
- Email Kyle and Unofficial Producer Rio at KyleTalksPodcast@gmail.com—we read every one.
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SPEAKER_00 (00:00):
Welcome back to Kyle Talks, where I'm Kyle and we
talk.
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Yo, yo, yo, what a doobie doobiedoo, doobie doo, doo, doo, doo.
That's a lot of news in thesestreets.
How's it going, my friends fromall around the globe?
How's it going?
How you doing?
How you doing?
How's the kids?
How's the wife?
How's the husband?
Oh, foreclosure?
That's not something.
Okay, I need to relax.
(00:43):
What is going on, everyone?
How you doing?
Welcome back to another episodeof Kyle Talks, where I'm Kyle
and we talk.
I am so excited to have you guyshere.
It's a beautiful Saturday.
It's not Saturday, but it'sbeautiful for me.
When you're listening to this,if this episode comes out on a
Saturday, I'm recording it on aTuesday.
So should I say that?
(01:04):
Like, should I tell you guys?
I don't think that I don't know.
I could.
OK, I'm recording this onThursday.
I'm doing the wrist face.
You can't see it.
I don't know why I'm doing thatface, but I am doing that face.
So.
Take that with what you want,but I'm in a good mood.
I'm in a very good mood as I tryto stay.
I try to have a good mood allthe time.
I try.
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But guys, anyways, we're losingthe plot here.
How you doing?
How you doing?
How's it going?
How's it going?
First things first, if this isyour first time listening to
Kyle Talks, welcome.
Welcome in, please.
Welcome to sunny Los Angeles,California.
We're the White Claw and theCroy.
They flow like honey.
I like Pamplemousse.
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I got Lemoncello Pamplemousse.
Kind of goes crazy, but hey,whatever you like, we got.
This is a podcast focusedentirely on people who having
conversations with someone whodoesn't believe the same, look
the same, vote the same, praythe same, eat the same, and
still having a good conversationand enjoying that conversation
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and learning.
And honestly, we hear a lot ofstories about extraordinary
people Or we hear a lot ofstories about ordinary people,
everyday people like you and medoing extraordinary things.
These are the kind of thingsthat come up in chats where
you're not weird.
It's really good conversation.
We don't know how to talk toeach other.
Let's learn how to talk to eachother again.
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And I'm really excited aboutthat.
So that sounds like somethingyou're into.
You have found the right.
This place is for you.
You have found a home.
Please come on in.
And if you've been here before.
Hey, I'm dapping you up.
What's up?
How you doing?
I got whatever you like, we goton tap.
Whatever your favorite WhiteClaws is on tap, we got you.
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Whatever you need, welcome back,welcome back.
But yeah, this is all a placeabout having conversations with
people who literally believe theopposite of you on almost
everything.
And then, man, we're building agreat community.
On that note, we're, I mean...
We're growing.
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For all of us, no matter what webelieve in.
I don't care if you'reChristian, Muslim, Mormon.
It doesn't matter if youdisagree.
That's actually the whole point.
I want you to disagree becausewe've got to learn how to talk
to each other.
Gay, straight, trans, left,right, middle, green party.
Doesn't matter.
Whatever you are.
The more things we...
What does Ferris Bueller say?
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Isms.
The more isms we have, the morebelief systems.
Oh, yeah.
That's the good stuff.
I want disagreements.
Doesn't mean everything istruth, but it does mean we're
willing to have conversations.
And that's what our goal ishere.
And we're growing.
We're inviting more people intothe conversation.
So guys, thank you for that.
On that topic in the speaking ofgrowth, I need your help to help
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grow the show.
Please leave a review onwherever you're listening.
I know a lot of people use podpoor or poor pod.
I literally didn't even knowabout that until like two weeks
ago.
Talked about it on my Twitterand Instagram.
So please follow me there.
I've been posting some 10 out of10 reels lately.
I think you'll like them.
So check those out and sharethose.
But yeah, we're having some goodconversations on social media
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sites.
Check those out.
Follow me at KyleTheHorton.
And leave a review.
Share the podcast.
Tell some friends about it toget them involved in this
community.
That's really...
the ultimate goal here and we'regrowing so I'm it's kind of
crazy this I started thispodcast 2020 didn't really care
about it didn't really focus onit here we are in 2025 we have
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some steam we have some steamwhich is crazy to think about um
and it's thanks to you guys thiscommunity we're building is
awesome really I appreciate itthank you guys so much um I know
I usually yap Like if you'rethis is your first time here.
So before I even get into theshow, I just yap.
It's one of my favorite thingsto do.
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And I got nothing really to yapabout.
Here.
OK, this is not going to be likea full on yap session.
But I will say if you're at thegym, you're already bettering
yourself.
You're already at the gym.
Most people never even step footinside of a gym.
So good on you.
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Just put up your freakingweights when you're done, man.
It's common courtesy.
Have some self-respect and havesome respect for others and just
put up your way.
I'm so sick of I go to my localgym and people just leave
weights out.
Brother, do you have no kind ofhome training?
Sister, do you have no kind ofhome training?
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What are we talking about here?
Pick up the weights, put themback.
You're not as strong as youthink you are.
I don't care how much weight youthink you're doing.
If you're not putting weightsback properly after you're
finished with them, you're atleast 65% weaker than what you
show, at least.
That's a minimum.
So put back your freakingweights.
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Rant over.
I've been ranting about thatbecause it's very annoying.
But yeah, you guys know I'm onmy gym arc, weight loss arc.
Um, yeah, just put back thefreaking weights.
That's all.
Please.
That's all I got to do.
That's all I got to yap abouttoday.
Just get that off my chest.
Um, with that, you guys havealready seen the title.
You know what this is about.
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Um, so we do things every oncein a while called boss every
once in a while, every episode.
Um, it's called before openingshow.
So before we get into our maintopic of the day, we take viewer
listener submitted questions andwe talk to them.
This podcast is all about havingcommunication.
This podcast is all abouttalking to people.
So if I didn't have somethinglike that, I would be a sham, a
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charlatan, a scam artist.
So we have.
And you can send those questionsinto kyletalkspodcast.gmail.com.
Put boss, B-O-S-S in the subjectline for us to have those
conversations.
This is a good problem.
We have more than a couple ofthese questions being sent in.
So I do a new little bit calledchatting with you and these are
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probably some of my favoriteepisodes where there's a lot of
questions and I want to getthrough them because I want to
have a conversation so I'll justread three of them and we'll
have a conversation we'll talkabout it and this whole segment
boss questions the chatting withyous all of this is a focus on
just talking imagine we havesome Pamplemousse LaCroix is in
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our hand.
We're just talking.
I'm 28 years young.
I don't know what I don't knowyet.
I'm still ignorant of a lot ofthings.
I'm still learning.
So this, I do not have it.
Let me be clear.
Kyle, who is recording this, Ido not have it all figured out.
I am still learning in life.
I'm just starting life.
I graduated college three yearsago.
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So I'm learning life.
It doesn't mean I know nothing.
But that means I'm ignorant ofwhat I don't know.
So these are really anopportunity for us to talk like
homies, just talk like friends.
Hey, I have this financial stuffor hey, how how do I how should
I talk to people?
How should I talk to my familymembers?
My girls really got whatevertrip.
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It's just an opportunity for usto have a conversation.
So if you'd like to send in yourquestions to be read, send them
into kyletalkspodcast.gmail.comand put Boss, B-O-S-S in the
subject line.
Today, that's the entirety ofthe episode.
So I've picked out threequestions that I've gone
through, and I've gottenunofficial producer Rio's
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opinion on one of them.
And we'll go forward, and it'sjust us having a chat.
So before we get jumped in,before we get started, make sure
your volume is at a good volume.
Good listening volume.
If you're driving, running,whatever, make sure you can hear
other things going on.
Be safe and strap in because wegot some good questions from
you, the listeners.
Let's jump right into them.
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We got our first question ofthree coming in from Jordan.
Jordan, if this is the Jordanthat I'm friends with that does
like podcast or he does likecard selling and stuff, you're
goaded.
We went to high school.
So I'm not sure.
This could not be that Jordan.
But you lost.
If this is, you lost a ton ofweight, man.
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I'm inspired by you.
And you're really on that grind.
And I see it.
I like all your stuff.
Yeah, man.
You keep doing.
If this is the right Jordan.
If not, then I guess takeeverything back.
I'm just kidding.
This question comes in fromJordan.
And let's read it.
It says, hey, Kyle andunofficial producer Rio.
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I'm a big fan of what you'redoing.
Real conversations are superrare, especially now.
It's usually one way or theother.
But not only that, it's cool tohear them done with respect.
I have heard some takes that youpersonally have given that I
don't necessarily agree with,but you always hold your values
and what you think with respectand dignity and not like you
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know it all.
So I have to appreciate that.
as well as your guests as well.
W, thanks, Jordan.
I appreciate it.
But I've got to ask, how do youpersonally stay open-minded when
talking to someone you disagreewith?
I try to be open in my own life,but I get defensive fast,
especially when it feels likesomeone's challenging my core
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values.
It sucks.
Is there tricks I'm not awareof?
Are there some kind of mentaltricks or are there some kind of
mindsets that you use to keepthose walls down to stay as cool
as a cucumber?
Keep doing what you're doing.
This show gives me hope.
Oh, man, that.
Yeah.
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It's just crazy to see how farwe've come and we're still
going.
So thank you.
That last part, the show givesyou hope.
Amen.
You might have a YN tearing upon the podcast, dude.
I appreciate you, brother.
I really do.
If this is the Jordan I'mthinking of, man, we got to do a
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collab because I think you gotsome things to say and I want to
hear them.
If this is not.
Thanks for listening.
I don't know.
OK, let's jump into.
So you talk about.
Really, the question here.
Well, I mean, you say what thequestion is, how to stay open
minded when talking to someoneyou disagree with.
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You know, I've had great mentorsin my life.
As you may know, as you know,since you listen to the episodes
and if this is your first timehere, you don't know.
But I am an open Christian.
I believe Jesus lived.
He was a real person.
I believe he was God.
And I believe he died on thatcross.
And three days later, he roseand died.
Through Jesus is the only way tothe Father to gain access into
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heaven and eternal life.
I believe those things.
If you don't, that's cool.
Like, that's no problemwhatsoever.
I want us to disagree.
There's only one source oftruth, but that doesn't mean we
can't have conversations.
Side note done.
With that said, and the reasonwhy I bring that up, Kyle, why
are you saying that?
The reason why I bring that upis you say here, like, I get
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defensive fast, especially whenI feel like someone's
challenging my core beliefs, mycore values.
So why I said that Christianity,I would definitely believe is a
core value of mine.
I, you know, I believe it.
I believe through and throughJesus was real.
I do believe those.
And when someone says, oh, he'snot real or some like mean
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things like really mean things.
I've had to learn because, Imean, we live in I live in
America where it's not exact.
I want to be choose my wordsthis time.
The country is itself is veryopen to religious expression.
But there if you tell peoplebelieve in Jesus, they ascribe
all these things to you that,you know, whatever.
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They're usually not positivethings.
And they say they see like, oh,you're the worst, the worst,
blah, blah, blah.
Fill in the blanks.
I'm sure you can fill in theblanks.
Maybe that's you.
You never know.
You never know.
Maybe you listening to it mightdo that.
I don't know.
I'd love to have a conversationwith you.
But that I identify that veryclosely is like that defines me.
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And what I have to do is realizeI'm a human as well.
And I'm trying to understandlike there is a reason it's
called faith.
It's like you could be wrongabout something like I think
there's evidence.
I'm hopefully you're trying toget.
Hopefully you're getting whatI'm trying to say.
There's evidence forChristianity.
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There's no proof, but there'sevidence for it.
And I think there's humility tosay I could be wrong.
Now, a lot of people may say,oh, God, I don't think I'm
wrong.
Let me be very clear.
I don't think I'm wrong, but Icould be.
And that's why I'm open tohaving these conversations.
Like, what do you say?
Is there something I'm missing?
Maybe is there something I'm notseeing?
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Do I have to understandsomething?
Because I believe wholeheartedlythat truth.
can stand up to scrutiny.
I don't, whatever truth is,truth is not subjective.
I, sorry if that, I would love,if you disagree, I would love to
have a conversation, but truthby definition is exclusive.
So I think that truth can standup to scrutiny.
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People trying to, whatever itis, it doesn't have to be
religion.
It could be literally anything.
It really doesn't matter.
It could be anything.
But that like, it can stand upto scrutiny.
If it can't stand up toscrutiny, is that really a
truth?
So that's kind of what I waslike, hey, like everyone has
their life experience.
I want to listen to it.
I want to hear it.
Maybe they've seen andexperienced something I haven't
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seen.
Maybe they've heard something Ihaven't heard.
Maybe they said something Ihaven't said.
Maybe they thought something Ihaven't thought.
So really, how do you keep howdo you stay open minded?
How do you keep those wallsdown?
Because the second you getdefensive, you can't have a
conversation.
You can't be defensive and havea conversation, a true, like a
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productive conversation.
Just not possible, right?
Can't do it.
So I don't know about any mentaltricks or nothing, but like
mindsets that help you keep thewalls down is like, hey, I poop,
pee, get sick, get the flu,throw up.
So do they.
Maybe this is an opportunity forus to learn from each other.
Doesn't mean you will everytime.
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Doesn't even mean you'll agreewith them.
And that's fine.
You don't need to.
You don't need to agree withthem.
Like I said, truth is exclusive.
This isn't a podcast aboutagreeing on everything.
This is a podcast about justtalking to people.
Just having that conversation.
Because a lot gets lost when youdon't have those conversations.
So what's a good mindset?
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I want to learn from you.
And if you don't want to saythat, I want to say this.
I want to hear from you.
I want to understand your pointof view.
Even though what I may agree, Imay disagree.
Who knows?
I just want to understand it.
And not learning to separate.
Like today's day and age, andthis is one thing, people attack
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people and not the ideas.
It should be the opposite.
They're a person who's had theirexperiences.
They think this.
Whatever you think of that,sure.
But I need to attack the ideas.
Oh, you believe the earth isflat or you believe there's a
Jesus or you believe the moon isa transformer, whatever it is.
Right.
It's getting a little bitridiculous at the end, but it's
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like, oh, OK, you're a human.
You're not above.
You're not under the influenceright now.
So we can have a conversationthat's kind of productive.
What do you what do you think?
Why do you think those things?
I want to understand.
I may not agree, but I want tounderstand.
And maybe I'm wrong.
Maybe I'm missing something.
I think that's just answer yourquestion.
The mindset is maybe I'm wrongon something.
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Maybe I haven't heard somethingor maybe I just want to
understand.
Maybe I just want to understand.
So it's a skill.
It does not happen over time.
I'm still perfecting it myself,but it's definitely a skill you
have to learn and manage.
So thanks, Jordan, for sayingthis question.
I really appreciate you.
If you're the Jordan I'mthinking of.
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Please reach out.
Let's have a conversation.
Let's go on to question.
Let's go to boss question numbertwo of the day.
And you'll notice there's atheme to all these questions.
The last question is reallygood.
Stick around for the lastquestion.
This question comes from Jess.
I'm not going to say your lastname.
This is not Rio's Jess.
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This is not unofficial producerRio's wife.
I'm not going to say the lastname because that feels kind of
doxing.
But it's coming from Jess.
Hey, Jess.
How's it going?
Is that like short for Jesse?
You don't have to tell me.
I'm just curious.
Let's continue.
Hey, Kyle Talks and hello,extreme.
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Hello, Supreme Leader Rio.
Unofficial producer Rio.
I sent him this and okay, he'snot a super.
Okay.
First things first, guys.
Rio is the unofficial producer.
This is the Kyle Talks, notunofficial.
I'm just saying.
I'm getting a little jealous.
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I'm just saying.
I'm just being serious.
Let's continue.
Supreme leader.
That's actually insane.
Did you just watch the interviewor the internship or the
interview, whatever it is?
Anyways, let's continue.
I really respect the way youtalk to all kinds of people,
even ones that might beconsidered controversial.
or hard to agree with.
This is a very well puttogether.
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There's a paragraph break andeverything in this.
Thank you though, Jess.
But I would imagine not everyoneloves that, i.e.
that guy that you say always DMsyou on Instagram.
That's true.
That guy, I think he has to be ameme.
There's no way he's thatserious.
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Let's continue.
With that said, do you ever getfor having certain guests on
your platform?
And how do you draw the linebetween listening to someone and
endorsing what they say?
That's really good.
It's something I've beenthinking about a lot lately and
I'd love to hear your take.
Keep on keeping on.
Thanks, Jess.
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This is a really good question.
I really like this question.
I mean, you see there's a themehere.
Yeah, I love talking to allkinds of people.
Thank you for saying that.
I literally, even though I maydisagree with Um, whoever, maybe
I just disagree.
Like, doesn't matter.
I actually, I want to disagree.
I think that makes good contentone.
Um, and a good conversation.
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I think a good conversation iscontent.
And I think I've had lots ofthose.
Um, yeah, I love, I'm a peopleperson.
If you haven't noticed, I lovetalking to people and I think
there's a lot of wisdom in whatpeople say.
Um, whether or not you want toagree with it or not, I think
there's something I thinkthere's something, something.
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That listens to the podcast.
Thank you for listening.
And he just will message me themost troll things.
I'm not going to repeat like allthe time.
But he references the episode.
So he's listening and he hearsit.
Or maybe he puts the podcastthrough some kind of AI reader
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or something.
I don't know.
I mean, I don't know what he'sdoing.
But yeah, it's been like twoyears since.
So I don't think he's a trollanymore.
I just think he does it forjokes because there's no way you
hold up the same bit for years.
So anyways, I think that'spretty.
Yeah, him and a lot of otherpeople, I've said things like
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personally, and I've talkedabout this.
I don't believe in BLM.
I think it's a sham, acharlatan, a ruse.
And I've gone back and forth onthat throughout the years.
And that's currently where I'mat.
I've had people not like that.
I said that.
Um, so I mean, Hey, it is whatit is.
Let's have a conversation.
So yeah, you're right.
Now everyone loves that, but Iwant to get to your main
question.
Do you ever push back forcertain guests?
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Um, no, I've never gotten pushedback for a certain guest.
To be honest, I've had pushbackfor things that guests have said
like one.
Well, I said it when I believethe skinny surgery, um, it does
nothing for you.
And I'll believe that to the dayI die.
Um, Of course, that's a case bycase.
That's not a blanket statement.
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So I said that I got pushbackfor that.
And another piece of pushback Igot recently was when I had Alec
on the show and we talked aboutcertain foods being able to like
curb or help certain diagnoses.
A lot of people didn't likethat.
So I have not on a guestparticularly.
And I agree with both of thosethings, by the way.
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And I just know.
But here's what I really want toget towards.
And here's where I think thegold of your question is.
So, no, I've never had certainpushback for platforms, only
ideas or guests, only ideas.
Here's what I get.
You said, how do you draw theline between listening to
someone and endorsing what theysay?
That bingo.
If you're a casino, all thelights would be going off right
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now.
This is the question.
This is the hundred milliontrillion bajillion dollar
question.
question that has gotten lost insociety.
And that question right therethat you asked, Jess, is the
reason why this podcast exists.
And you'll notice this was kindof hinted at the previous
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question a little bit, but I'llrepeat what I said in the last
question for this one a littlebit.
Truth is by definitionexclusive.
This is not a podcast aboutagreeing.
With everyone, yourconversations with people, let
me make this about you, peoplelistening, you having
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conversations with other peopleis not you agreeing.
We have fell into some kind of,we have fell into a fallacy.
I'm talking to this person, I'msitting down, we're having a
LaCroix, White Claw, whatever itmay be.
People will think we agree.
What you are applying is zero ofthe critical thinking skills in
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your brain that the good Lordgave you.
Just sitting down with people,having a conversation by no
means by not even by definitionmeans you agree.
It means you're sitting down andyou're willing to have a
conversation to learn.
We're not talking aboutagreeing.
We're just talking about havinga conversation.
That's the line you don't.
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Oh, I'm listening.
Let's use me, for example,someone who heavily supports
BLM.
Let's say that.
I'll listen to them.
They'll tell me why they'll giveme all these reasons.
But does that mean I endorsewhat they say?
No, but, but, and here's thebig, but this is big, big, but
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big, huge biggest, but they'veever, sorry, eyes.
I'm trying to get my Trumpimpression down big.
Okay.
Anyways, here's the big, but,but just listening to someone
doesn't mean you agree and itdoesn't mean you endorse them.
But it means you understandwhere they're coming from.
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That's what we're missing intotoday's society so badly.
We have lost the art ofconversation.
We have lost what it means tosit down and just understand.
Understanding does not equalagreement.
Listening to someone does notlisten to agreement.
If I sit down and hear someonetalk about how they want to rob
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a bank, I will go and tellsomeone.
I will for sure tell someonelike, hey, maybe you shouldn't
do that.
And they're going to say, areyou in?
Brother in Christ, I am not in.
I disagree.
I reject that.
And I actually actively thinkyou should not.
I will actively stop you fromdoing that by getting the
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authorities involved.
You see, do you see the picture?
Hopefully that paints thepicture.
You're seeing the picture I'mtrying to paint here.
Just because you listen tosomeone, just because you listen
to someone talk about robbing abank and their plan doesn't mean
you agree or you're going totake part into that.
Same thing.
Just because someone agrees ordisagrees with whatever it is,
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you don't.
Doesn't mean you are.
What it does mean, though, isyou understand.
Oh, OK.
I disagree.
But man, I get it.
At least I get it.
At least I'm not just saying Idisagree and moving on with your
life.
Why would you ever do that?
You're not even using thecritical thinking skills the
good Lord gave you when you dothat.
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You're not even thinking about,you're just, oh, I disagree.
Next, you're a loser.
Next, what?
We have lost, that is, so thatis the million dollar question,
Jess.
The line is, people thinkthere's a line to be drawn.
There's not.
For some reason in this society,we say that listening to someone
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is endorsing what they say.
We have not fallen farther fromthe truth.
Just because I listen to someonedoesn't mean I agree or endorse
them.
But what it will do is Iunderstand what they're saying.
So that was a long-windedanswer, but I don't even think
there's a line there, to behonest.
And I could be wrong.
I will come out later if I amwrong, and I will say I am wrong
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if I am wrong.
I will say that.
But there's no line there.
We, as a society, made it seemlike there's a line there.
Oh, it's because I listen tosomeone.
I agree with what they say.
Just because you listen tosomething don't mean you agree.
That's ridiculous.
That's ludicrous.
But...
It does mean you understand, andyou can do a lot with that.
You can do a lot with that.
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Thanks so much, Jess, forsending in that question.
Let's jump into our finalquestion, which I'm really
looking forward to.
Our next question comes from agood, good friend.
I'm not going to name drop herebecause I know this person.
They're an amazing individual.
So let's talk about it.
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This person's great, by the way.
I love this person.
They really are a good person.
I know this person.
They're a good person.
Let's jump into it.
Have I said that enough?
Has person started to lose itsmeaning yet to you?
I don't know.
Let's go through.
It says, Ayo, here's a rant.
Kyle and semi-pro unofficiallygoaded production manager Rio.
(28:11):
You might have to change hisname to that.
That's pretty good.
I don't know.
Let's jump right into it.
There's a lot here, so let'sjump right into it.
How do we feel about the dailygrind of life?
This may become a financialepisode, but I feel like it's a
strange time we live in.
Amen, brother.
I'm from SoCal, and it seemslike most people I know work two
to three jobs just to live.
As a fellow Sokalian, true.
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Mind you, these are people notliving lavish lives.
Continued, I'm also workingmultiple jobs and playing the
capitalist game.
But deep down, if you ask myopinion of it all, I feel like
it's a broken system.
Amen.
That we have here.
We work to live and live towork.
How do we change the system?
This is such, such a goodquestion.
(28:55):
good question i'm gonna go pieceby piece um but first um i don't
have a recording of rio's voicebut we did talk about this um
and here's what he says um ofcourse too this is not a
recording i wish i would havegrabbed a recording but we were
just on the phone but as we weretalking we were having this
(29:18):
conversation and i was writingdown notes and i told him I'm
going to say these out loud.
So it's not a recording.
Unfortunately, I work on gettingthat because I think that would
be super valuable.
But here's what Rio says.
This is just all of it.
So it's going to jump around.
First and foremost, you can'tchange the system.
That doesn't mean that it thatlike the issues with us.
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We agree.
I agree that the system isrigged.
But unfortunately, you can'tchange it.
No matter who you voted for, youcan always do, do, do and do all
the things that you think areright.
But you cannot.
This guy is smart.
But you cannot change the systemunless you are Trump or unless
you are a Biden, in which case,please change the system.
(30:02):
This guy is smart.
He continues.
This is out of our control.
So someone really doesn't likewhat he lives in SoCal, too, by
the way.
This is out of our control.
It may suck as someone who isfrom SoCal.
But maybe moving, if it'scompletely financial, maybe
moving's an option.
Getting out, I do agree, thesystem sucks in SoCal, and we
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most certainly do live to work.
I underline this, does indeedsuck.
With that said, Rio continues,and these are just like
paraphrases, right?
This isn't really what he's,like, it's a paraphrase.
He says, you have to make itwork for you.
He doesn't work the mostglamorous job, Whoa, you mean
you don't like working at KyleTalks for negative$12 a month?
(30:47):
What?
What are you saying?
You have to make it work foryou.
I work a job that I wouldn't sayI necessarily love, but man, do
I do enjoy it.
And I think it's meaningful.
So my suggestions would behaving to find a meaningful job.
There it is.
(31:08):
That's a Rio's notes.
He said a lot more, but that'sjust what I caught, but that's
what he says.
And there's some of his notes aswell.
Um, yeah, I mean, I, I agreepretty much bar for bar with
what Rio said.
I think it's ultimately in theeye of the beholder.
That doesn't mean the systemsucks, right?
(31:29):
Like I feel like you'd have tobe a super rich guy to say it
doesn't suck, you know, to behonest.
Um, But the system clearlysucks.
You do have to work two to threejobs.
And you're right.
I know we don't we're notprobably talking about the same
people, but I know people aswell working two, three jobs to
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live.
And it's not lavish.
They're just living.
I'm sure we all know people likethat.
And that's unfortunate.
The system sucks.
I would say what Rio says isright.
Do the things that we think isright.
Voting, whatever rallies,whatever it is.
Um, that you think will make thesystem better.
We have to do that because thenif we don't do that, we're just
(32:12):
complaining.
You know what I mean?
Uh, I think like, yeah, if wedon't, if we believe something
is wrong, but we don't reallystand up for it, you're just
complaining.
You'd like to complain.
That's all that is truthfully.
That's all that is.
Um, And yeah, I, that's, Ithink, yeah.
And the daily grind of life.
So that's how I feel about likethe system, the system sucks.
(32:34):
The system is not good.
The system is genuinelyterrible.
Point blank period.
All those other things.
But I want to talk about dailygrind of life.
That's what I think is in theeye of the beholder.
That's what I think can changeperson to person.
I know that sounds super cheesyand cliche.
(32:56):
I get it.
Trust me.
I trust me.
I get it.
But I really think how do youhow are you viewing it?
We we only live for seventy nineyears, seventy five.
If we're lucky, if we're lucky,we make it that long in life.
You know what I'm saying?
So does it what?
Would it be purposeful to say Ihate my life and go through your
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life hating it?
No, it's not going to doanything for you.
No, it's just going to make youmore depressed and hate your
life.
But even though that thosethings may be true and valid, we
only got 75 summers.
We only got 75 winters, 80 ifwe're lucky.
I think the average lifespan is79 now.
That's the average lifespan.
Shout out MS.
(33:39):
You know, I'll hopefully.
Yeah.
Anyways, it's like, how do youview it?
I think is really like.
You could hate it.
And if you do hate it, do it.
We have to do what Rio says.
Like we have to find somethingelse that's at least more
meaningful.
You're only here for 70 or 70plus years.
That's about it.
When you put things in thatperspective.
(34:00):
Maybe it's time we need to findsomething else.
And yes, you know, rent bills.
I get that.
It's a part of it.
But there has to be a middleground.
There has to be.
There's so many people who aresuccessful.
And what I mean by successful isthey're making it and they can
go on vacation once a year.
They're not super strapped forcash all the time.
That's I don't mean successfulas total followers.
(34:22):
The gorgeous life, all thisbling blow.
That's not what I mean.
I mean, if someone who can.
Actually get by.
Comfortably.
Of course, they can have moremoney.
Of course.
Of course, they can have...
Of course.
You can always have more money,more fame, more influence,
power.
You can always.
But someone who's getting bycomfortably, even if you have$0
(34:43):
in your account at the end ofthe week, but all your bills are
paid, I don't know.
That tells me you're successful,and it tells me you kind of
care.
Anyway, so, yeah, I think it'sin the eye of the beholder.
And it's, yeah, we do work tolive, and we do live to work.
And I...
Like Rio said, I think that'sentirely in the eye of the
beholder.
The system sucks.
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If you disagree with that, areyou under a rock?
I don't know.
But I think there's a lot ofpersonal responsibility.
And like, hey, my situation isshit.
How do I make it not that way?
And I've said this before.
I've said this on the podbefore.
And I'll say it again.
(35:25):
The government is not going tosave us.
I don't care if you want to besuccessful, rich, power,
whatever it is you want, money,whatever.
The government's not going to doit for you.
Now, that's a conversation Iwould love to have with someone
who disagrees because that's agood conversation.
But yeah, thank you for sayingthat question in.
I hope that kind of touched onhopefully give you some answers.
(35:48):
I really like this question.
It's a great question.
And you, my friend, you knowthis.
I love you.
I think you're one of the bestpeople on the planet.
I truly believe that.
I saw this and I was like, ofcourse I got to include this
question.
Really one of the best guys Iknow, truly.
Thank you so much for sending inthose questions.
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Guys, there it is.
What did we talk about?
We talked about having realconversations, having them with
respect, how to stayopen-minded, what's the line
between listening and endorsingsomeone.
And lastly, we tapped it offwith the system sucks, working,
living the work.
How can we change it?
How can we view it to makechanges?
(36:31):
And I love this episode.
We have some great topics inhere.
Thank you guys for sending inthese great questions where we
just have conversations.
One homeboy talking to the next.
It's really good.
And I really do appreciate it.
If you'd like to send in yourquestions to be on a boss
segment or a chatting with youepisode, please send those
questions into Kyle talks,podcast, gmail.com and put boss
(36:54):
P O S S in the subject line.
If you enjoy this, pleaseconsider, um, sharing the show,
share it, uh, at KyleTheHortonon X, Instagram, Twitter,
whatever it is, and then reviewthe podcast to help us grow and
invite more people into thisconversation.
I love you guys.
One man paid the ultimate priceon the cross for you.
(37:14):
His name is Jesus, and he lovesyou more than you understand.
And we have a lot to talk abouton Pyconomy next week, so I
guess I'll see you guys nexttime on Pyconomy.
Peace.
Welcome back to Kyle Talks, where I'm Kyle and we
talk.
(00:22):
Yo, yo, yo, what a doobie doobiedoo, doobie doo, doo, doo, doo.
That's a lot of news in thesestreets.
How's it going, my friends fromall around the globe?
How's it going?
How you doing?
How you doing?
How's the kids?
How's the wife?
How's the husband?
Oh, foreclosure?
That's not something.
Okay, I need to relax.
(00:43):
What is going on, everyone?
How you doing?
Welcome back to another episodeof Kyle Talks, where I'm Kyle
and we talk.
I am so excited to have you guyshere.
It's a beautiful Saturday.
It's not Saturday, but it'sbeautiful for me.
When you're listening to this,if this episode comes out on a
Saturday, I'm recording it on aTuesday.
So should I say that?
(01:04):
Like, should I tell you guys?
I don't think that I don't know.
I could.
OK, I'm recording this onThursday.
I'm doing the wrist face.
You can't see it.
I don't know why I'm doing thatface, but I am doing that face.
So.
Take that with what you want,but I'm in a good mood.
I'm in a very good mood as I tryto stay.
I try to have a good mood allthe time.
I try.
(01:26):
But guys, anyways, we're losingthe plot here.
How you doing?
How you doing?
How's it going?
How's it going?
First things first, if this isyour first time listening to
Kyle Talks, welcome.
Welcome in, please.
Welcome to sunny Los Angeles,California.
We're the White Claw and theCroy.
They flow like honey.
I like Pamplemousse.
(01:46):
I got Lemoncello Pamplemousse.
Kind of goes crazy, but hey,whatever you like, we got.
This is a podcast focusedentirely on people who having
conversations with someone whodoesn't believe the same, look
the same, vote the same, praythe same, eat the same, and
still having a good conversationand enjoying that conversation
(02:06):
and learning.
And honestly, we hear a lot ofstories about extraordinary
people Or we hear a lot ofstories about ordinary people,
everyday people like you and medoing extraordinary things.
These are the kind of thingsthat come up in chats where
you're not weird.
It's really good conversation.
We don't know how to talk toeach other.
Let's learn how to talk to eachother again.
(02:27):
And I'm really excited aboutthat.
So that sounds like somethingyou're into.
You have found the right.
This place is for you.
You have found a home.
Please come on in.
And if you've been here before.
Hey, I'm dapping you up.
What's up?
How you doing?
I got whatever you like, we goton tap.
Whatever your favorite WhiteClaws is on tap, we got you.
(02:51):
Whatever you need, welcome back,welcome back.
But yeah, this is all a placeabout having conversations with
people who literally believe theopposite of you on almost
everything.
And then, man, we're building agreat community.
On that note, we're, I mean...
We're growing.
(03:22):
For all of us, no matter what webelieve in.
I don't care if you'reChristian, Muslim, Mormon.
It doesn't matter if youdisagree.
That's actually the whole point.
I want you to disagree becausewe've got to learn how to talk
to each other.
Gay, straight, trans, left,right, middle, green party.
Doesn't matter.
Whatever you are.
The more things we...
What does Ferris Bueller say?
(03:43):
Isms.
The more isms we have, the morebelief systems.
Oh, yeah.
That's the good stuff.
I want disagreements.
Doesn't mean everything istruth, but it does mean we're
willing to have conversations.
And that's what our goal ishere.
And we're growing.
We're inviting more people intothe conversation.
So guys, thank you for that.
On that topic in the speaking ofgrowth, I need your help to help
(04:08):
grow the show.
Please leave a review onwherever you're listening.
I know a lot of people use podpoor or poor pod.
I literally didn't even knowabout that until like two weeks
ago.
Talked about it on my Twitterand Instagram.
So please follow me there.
I've been posting some 10 out of10 reels lately.
I think you'll like them.
So check those out and sharethose.
But yeah, we're having some goodconversations on social media
(04:30):
sites.
Check those out.
Follow me at KyleTheHorton.
And leave a review.
Share the podcast.
Tell some friends about it toget them involved in this
community.
That's really...
the ultimate goal here and we'regrowing so I'm it's kind of
crazy this I started thispodcast 2020 didn't really care
about it didn't really focus onit here we are in 2025 we have
(04:52):
some steam we have some steamwhich is crazy to think about um
and it's thanks to you guys thiscommunity we're building is
awesome really I appreciate itthank you guys so much um I know
I usually yap Like if you'rethis is your first time here.
So before I even get into theshow, I just yap.
It's one of my favorite thingsto do.
(05:13):
And I got nothing really to yapabout.
Here.
OK, this is not going to be likea full on yap session.
But I will say if you're at thegym, you're already bettering
yourself.
You're already at the gym.
Most people never even step footinside of a gym.
So good on you.
(05:35):
Just put up your freakingweights when you're done, man.
It's common courtesy.
Have some self-respect and havesome respect for others and just
put up your way.
I'm so sick of I go to my localgym and people just leave
weights out.
Brother, do you have no kind ofhome training?
Sister, do you have no kind ofhome training?
(05:55):
What are we talking about here?
Pick up the weights, put themback.
You're not as strong as youthink you are.
I don't care how much weight youthink you're doing.
If you're not putting weightsback properly after you're
finished with them, you're atleast 65% weaker than what you
show, at least.
That's a minimum.
So put back your freakingweights.
(06:17):
Rant over.
I've been ranting about thatbecause it's very annoying.
But yeah, you guys know I'm onmy gym arc, weight loss arc.
Um, yeah, just put back thefreaking weights.
That's all.
Please.
That's all I got to do.
That's all I got to yap abouttoday.
Just get that off my chest.
Um, with that, you guys havealready seen the title.
You know what this is about.
(06:37):
Um, so we do things every oncein a while called boss every
once in a while, every episode.
Um, it's called before openingshow.
So before we get into our maintopic of the day, we take viewer
listener submitted questions andwe talk to them.
This podcast is all about havingcommunication.
This podcast is all abouttalking to people.
So if I didn't have somethinglike that, I would be a sham, a
(07:00):
charlatan, a scam artist.
So we have.
And you can send those questionsinto kyletalkspodcast.gmail.com.
Put boss, B-O-S-S in the subjectline for us to have those
conversations.
This is a good problem.
We have more than a couple ofthese questions being sent in.
So I do a new little bit calledchatting with you and these are
(07:25):
probably some of my favoriteepisodes where there's a lot of
questions and I want to getthrough them because I want to
have a conversation so I'll justread three of them and we'll
have a conversation we'll talkabout it and this whole segment
boss questions the chatting withyous all of this is a focus on
just talking imagine we havesome Pamplemousse LaCroix is in
(07:48):
our hand.
We're just talking.
I'm 28 years young.
I don't know what I don't knowyet.
I'm still ignorant of a lot ofthings.
I'm still learning.
So this, I do not have it.
Let me be clear.
Kyle, who is recording this, Ido not have it all figured out.
I am still learning in life.
I'm just starting life.
I graduated college three yearsago.
(08:09):
So I'm learning life.
It doesn't mean I know nothing.
But that means I'm ignorant ofwhat I don't know.
So these are really anopportunity for us to talk like
homies, just talk like friends.
Hey, I have this financial stuffor hey, how how do I how should
I talk to people?
How should I talk to my familymembers?
My girls really got whatevertrip.
(08:29):
It's just an opportunity for usto have a conversation.
So if you'd like to send in yourquestions to be read, send them
into kyletalkspodcast.gmail.comand put Boss, B-O-S-S in the
subject line.
Today, that's the entirety ofthe episode.
So I've picked out threequestions that I've gone
through, and I've gottenunofficial producer Rio's
(08:49):
opinion on one of them.
And we'll go forward, and it'sjust us having a chat.
So before we get jumped in,before we get started, make sure
your volume is at a good volume.
Good listening volume.
If you're driving, running,whatever, make sure you can hear
other things going on.
Be safe and strap in because wegot some good questions from
you, the listeners.
Let's jump right into them.
(09:11):
We got our first question ofthree coming in from Jordan.
Jordan, if this is the Jordanthat I'm friends with that does
like podcast or he does likecard selling and stuff, you're
goaded.
We went to high school.
So I'm not sure.
This could not be that Jordan.
But you lost.
If this is, you lost a ton ofweight, man.
(09:33):
I'm inspired by you.
And you're really on that grind.
And I see it.
I like all your stuff.
Yeah, man.
You keep doing.
If this is the right Jordan.
If not, then I guess takeeverything back.
I'm just kidding.
This question comes in fromJordan.
And let's read it.
It says, hey, Kyle andunofficial producer Rio.
(09:54):
I'm a big fan of what you'redoing.
Real conversations are superrare, especially now.
It's usually one way or theother.
But not only that, it's cool tohear them done with respect.
I have heard some takes that youpersonally have given that I
don't necessarily agree with,but you always hold your values
and what you think with respectand dignity and not like you
(10:16):
know it all.
So I have to appreciate that.
as well as your guests as well.
W, thanks, Jordan.
I appreciate it.
But I've got to ask, how do youpersonally stay open-minded when
talking to someone you disagreewith?
I try to be open in my own life,but I get defensive fast,
especially when it feels likesomeone's challenging my core
(10:38):
values.
It sucks.
Is there tricks I'm not awareof?
Are there some kind of mentaltricks or are there some kind of
mindsets that you use to keepthose walls down to stay as cool
as a cucumber?
Keep doing what you're doing.
This show gives me hope.
Oh, man, that.
Yeah.
(10:59):
It's just crazy to see how farwe've come and we're still
going.
So thank you.
That last part, the show givesyou hope.
Amen.
You might have a YN tearing upon the podcast, dude.
I appreciate you, brother.
I really do.
If this is the Jordan I'mthinking of, man, we got to do a
(11:20):
collab because I think you gotsome things to say and I want to
hear them.
If this is not.
Thanks for listening.
I don't know.
OK, let's jump into.
So you talk about.
Really, the question here.
Well, I mean, you say what thequestion is, how to stay open
minded when talking to someoneyou disagree with.
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You know, I've had great mentorsin my life.
As you may know, as you know,since you listen to the episodes
and if this is your first timehere, you don't know.
But I am an open Christian.
I believe Jesus lived.
He was a real person.
I believe he was God.
And I believe he died on thatcross.
And three days later, he roseand died.
Through Jesus is the only way tothe Father to gain access into
(12:02):
heaven and eternal life.
I believe those things.
If you don't, that's cool.
Like, that's no problemwhatsoever.
I want us to disagree.
There's only one source oftruth, but that doesn't mean we
can't have conversations.
Side note done.
With that said, and the reasonwhy I bring that up, Kyle, why
are you saying that?
The reason why I bring that upis you say here, like, I get
(12:24):
defensive fast, especially whenI feel like someone's
challenging my core beliefs, mycore values.
So why I said that Christianity,I would definitely believe is a
core value of mine.
I, you know, I believe it.
I believe through and throughJesus was real.
I do believe those.
And when someone says, oh, he'snot real or some like mean
(12:46):
things like really mean things.
I've had to learn because, Imean, we live in I live in
America where it's not exact.
I want to be choose my wordsthis time.
The country is itself is veryopen to religious expression.
But there if you tell peoplebelieve in Jesus, they ascribe
all these things to you that,you know, whatever.
(13:08):
They're usually not positivethings.
And they say they see like, oh,you're the worst, the worst,
blah, blah, blah.
Fill in the blanks.
I'm sure you can fill in theblanks.
Maybe that's you.
You never know.
You never know.
Maybe you listening to it mightdo that.
I don't know.
I'd love to have a conversationwith you.
But that I identify that veryclosely is like that defines me.
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And what I have to do is realizeI'm a human as well.
And I'm trying to understandlike there is a reason it's
called faith.
It's like you could be wrongabout something like I think
there's evidence.
I'm hopefully you're trying toget.
Hopefully you're getting whatI'm trying to say.
There's evidence forChristianity.
(13:50):
There's no proof, but there'sevidence for it.
And I think there's humility tosay I could be wrong.
Now, a lot of people may say,oh, God, I don't think I'm
wrong.
Let me be very clear.
I don't think I'm wrong, but Icould be.
And that's why I'm open tohaving these conversations.
Like, what do you say?
Is there something I'm missing?
Maybe is there something I'm notseeing?
(14:12):
Do I have to understandsomething?
Because I believe wholeheartedlythat truth.
can stand up to scrutiny.
I don't, whatever truth is,truth is not subjective.
I, sorry if that, I would love,if you disagree, I would love to
have a conversation, but truthby definition is exclusive.
So I think that truth can standup to scrutiny.
(14:34):
People trying to, whatever itis, it doesn't have to be
religion.
It could be literally anything.
It really doesn't matter.
It could be anything.
But that like, it can stand upto scrutiny.
If it can't stand up toscrutiny, is that really a
truth?
So that's kind of what I waslike, hey, like everyone has
their life experience.
I want to listen to it.
I want to hear it.
Maybe they've seen andexperienced something I haven't
(14:56):
seen.
Maybe they've heard something Ihaven't heard.
Maybe they said something Ihaven't said.
Maybe they thought something Ihaven't thought.
So really, how do you keep howdo you stay open minded?
How do you keep those wallsdown?
Because the second you getdefensive, you can't have a
conversation.
You can't be defensive and havea conversation, a true, like a
(15:17):
productive conversation.
Just not possible, right?
Can't do it.
So I don't know about any mentaltricks or nothing, but like
mindsets that help you keep thewalls down is like, hey, I poop,
pee, get sick, get the flu,throw up.
So do they.
Maybe this is an opportunity forus to learn from each other.
Doesn't mean you will everytime.
(15:38):
Doesn't even mean you'll agreewith them.
And that's fine.
You don't need to.
You don't need to agree withthem.
Like I said, truth is exclusive.
This isn't a podcast aboutagreeing on everything.
This is a podcast about justtalking to people.
Just having that conversation.
Because a lot gets lost when youdon't have those conversations.
So what's a good mindset?
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I want to learn from you.
And if you don't want to saythat, I want to say this.
I want to hear from you.
I want to understand your pointof view.
Even though what I may agree, Imay disagree.
Who knows?
I just want to understand it.
And not learning to separate.
Like today's day and age, andthis is one thing, people attack
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people and not the ideas.
It should be the opposite.
They're a person who's had theirexperiences.
They think this.
Whatever you think of that,sure.
But I need to attack the ideas.
Oh, you believe the earth isflat or you believe there's a
Jesus or you believe the moon isa transformer, whatever it is.
Right.
It's getting a little bitridiculous at the end, but it's
(16:41):
like, oh, OK, you're a human.
You're not above.
You're not under the influenceright now.
So we can have a conversationthat's kind of productive.
What do you what do you think?
Why do you think those things?
I want to understand.
I may not agree, but I want tounderstand.
And maybe I'm wrong.
Maybe I'm missing something.
I think that's just answer yourquestion.
The mindset is maybe I'm wrongon something.
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Maybe I haven't heard somethingor maybe I just want to
understand.
Maybe I just want to understand.
So it's a skill.
It does not happen over time.
I'm still perfecting it myself,but it's definitely a skill you
have to learn and manage.
So thanks, Jordan, for sayingthis question.
I really appreciate you.
If you're the Jordan I'mthinking of.
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Please reach out.
Let's have a conversation.
Let's go on to question.
Let's go to boss question numbertwo of the day.
And you'll notice there's atheme to all these questions.
The last question is reallygood.
Stick around for the lastquestion.
This question comes from Jess.
I'm not going to say your lastname.
This is not Rio's Jess.
(17:48):
This is not unofficial producerRio's wife.
I'm not going to say the lastname because that feels kind of
doxing.
But it's coming from Jess.
Hey, Jess.
How's it going?
Is that like short for Jesse?
You don't have to tell me.
I'm just curious.
Let's continue.
Hey, Kyle Talks and hello,extreme.
(18:10):
Hello, Supreme Leader Rio.
Unofficial producer Rio.
I sent him this and okay, he'snot a super.
Okay.
First things first, guys.
Rio is the unofficial producer.
This is the Kyle Talks, notunofficial.
I'm just saying.
I'm getting a little jealous.
(18:32):
I'm just saying.
I'm just being serious.
Let's continue.
Supreme leader.
That's actually insane.
Did you just watch the interviewor the internship or the
interview, whatever it is?
Anyways, let's continue.
I really respect the way youtalk to all kinds of people,
even ones that might beconsidered controversial.
or hard to agree with.
This is a very well puttogether.
(18:53):
There's a paragraph break andeverything in this.
Thank you though, Jess.
But I would imagine not everyoneloves that, i.e.
that guy that you say always DMsyou on Instagram.
That's true.
That guy, I think he has to be ameme.
There's no way he's thatserious.
(19:14):
Let's continue.
With that said, do you ever getfor having certain guests on
your platform?
And how do you draw the linebetween listening to someone and
endorsing what they say?
That's really good.
It's something I've beenthinking about a lot lately and
I'd love to hear your take.
Keep on keeping on.
Thanks, Jess.
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This is a really good question.
I really like this question.
I mean, you see there's a themehere.
Yeah, I love talking to allkinds of people.
Thank you for saying that.
I literally, even though I maydisagree with Um, whoever, maybe
I just disagree.
Like, doesn't matter.
I actually, I want to disagree.
I think that makes good contentone.
Um, and a good conversation.
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I think a good conversation iscontent.
And I think I've had lots ofthose.
Um, yeah, I love, I'm a peopleperson.
If you haven't noticed, I lovetalking to people and I think
there's a lot of wisdom in whatpeople say.
Um, whether or not you want toagree with it or not, I think
there's something I thinkthere's something, something.
(20:44):
That listens to the podcast.
Thank you for listening.
And he just will message me themost troll things.
I'm not going to repeat like allthe time.
But he references the episode.
So he's listening and he hearsit.
Or maybe he puts the podcastthrough some kind of AI reader
(21:04):
or something.
I don't know.
I mean, I don't know what he'sdoing.
But yeah, it's been like twoyears since.
So I don't think he's a trollanymore.
I just think he does it forjokes because there's no way you
hold up the same bit for years.
So anyways, I think that'spretty.
Yeah, him and a lot of otherpeople, I've said things like
(21:25):
personally, and I've talkedabout this.
I don't believe in BLM.
I think it's a sham, acharlatan, a ruse.
And I've gone back and forth onthat throughout the years.
And that's currently where I'mat.
I've had people not like that.
I said that.
Um, so I mean, Hey, it is whatit is.
Let's have a conversation.
So yeah, you're right.
Now everyone loves that, but Iwant to get to your main
question.
Do you ever push back forcertain guests?
(21:47):
Um, no, I've never gotten pushedback for a certain guest.
To be honest, I've had pushbackfor things that guests have said
like one.
Well, I said it when I believethe skinny surgery, um, it does
nothing for you.
And I'll believe that to the dayI die.
Um, Of course, that's a case bycase.
That's not a blanket statement.
(22:08):
So I said that I got pushbackfor that.
And another piece of pushback Igot recently was when I had Alec
on the show and we talked aboutcertain foods being able to like
curb or help certain diagnoses.
A lot of people didn't likethat.
So I have not on a guestparticularly.
And I agree with both of thosethings, by the way.
(22:28):
And I just know.
But here's what I really want toget towards.
And here's where I think thegold of your question is.
So, no, I've never had certainpushback for platforms, only
ideas or guests, only ideas.
Here's what I get.
You said, how do you draw theline between listening to
someone and endorsing what theysay?
That bingo.
If you're a casino, all thelights would be going off right
(22:50):
now.
This is the question.
This is the hundred milliontrillion bajillion dollar
question.
question that has gotten lost insociety.
And that question right therethat you asked, Jess, is the
reason why this podcast exists.
And you'll notice this was kindof hinted at the previous
(23:11):
question a little bit, but I'llrepeat what I said in the last
question for this one a littlebit.
Truth is by definitionexclusive.
This is not a podcast aboutagreeing.
With everyone, yourconversations with people, let
me make this about you, peoplelistening, you having
(23:33):
conversations with other peopleis not you agreeing.
We have fell into some kind of,we have fell into a fallacy.
I'm talking to this person, I'msitting down, we're having a
LaCroix, White Claw, whatever itmay be.
People will think we agree.
What you are applying is zero ofthe critical thinking skills in
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your brain that the good Lordgave you.
Just sitting down with people,having a conversation by no
means by not even by definitionmeans you agree.
It means you're sitting down andyou're willing to have a
conversation to learn.
We're not talking aboutagreeing.
We're just talking about havinga conversation.
That's the line you don't.
(24:15):
Oh, I'm listening.
Let's use me, for example,someone who heavily supports
BLM.
Let's say that.
I'll listen to them.
They'll tell me why they'll giveme all these reasons.
But does that mean I endorsewhat they say?
No, but, but, and here's thebig, but this is big, big, but
(24:37):
big, huge biggest, but they'veever, sorry, eyes.
I'm trying to get my Trumpimpression down big.
Okay.
Anyways, here's the big, but,but just listening to someone
doesn't mean you agree and itdoesn't mean you endorse them.
But it means you understandwhere they're coming from.
(24:57):
That's what we're missing intotoday's society so badly.
We have lost the art ofconversation.
We have lost what it means tosit down and just understand.
Understanding does not equalagreement.
Listening to someone does notlisten to agreement.
If I sit down and hear someonetalk about how they want to rob
(25:19):
a bank, I will go and tellsomeone.
I will for sure tell someonelike, hey, maybe you shouldn't
do that.
And they're going to say, areyou in?
Brother in Christ, I am not in.
I disagree.
I reject that.
And I actually actively thinkyou should not.
I will actively stop you fromdoing that by getting the
(25:40):
authorities involved.
You see, do you see the picture?
Hopefully that paints thepicture.
You're seeing the picture I'mtrying to paint here.
Just because you listen tosomeone, just because you listen
to someone talk about robbing abank and their plan doesn't mean
you agree or you're going totake part into that.
Same thing.
Just because someone agrees ordisagrees with whatever it is,
(26:03):
you don't.
Doesn't mean you are.
What it does mean, though, isyou understand.
Oh, OK.
I disagree.
But man, I get it.
At least I get it.
At least I'm not just saying Idisagree and moving on with your
life.
Why would you ever do that?
You're not even using thecritical thinking skills the
good Lord gave you when you dothat.
(26:24):
You're not even thinking about,you're just, oh, I disagree.
Next, you're a loser.
Next, what?
We have lost, that is, so thatis the million dollar question,
Jess.
The line is, people thinkthere's a line to be drawn.
There's not.
For some reason in this society,we say that listening to someone
(26:45):
is endorsing what they say.
We have not fallen farther fromthe truth.
Just because I listen to someonedoesn't mean I agree or endorse
them.
But what it will do is Iunderstand what they're saying.
So that was a long-windedanswer, but I don't even think
there's a line there, to behonest.
And I could be wrong.
I will come out later if I amwrong, and I will say I am wrong
(27:09):
if I am wrong.
I will say that.
But there's no line there.
We, as a society, made it seemlike there's a line there.
Oh, it's because I listen tosomeone.
I agree with what they say.
Just because you listen tosomething don't mean you agree.
That's ridiculous.
That's ludicrous.
But...
It does mean you understand, andyou can do a lot with that.
You can do a lot with that.
(27:30):
Thanks so much, Jess, forsending in that question.
Let's jump into our finalquestion, which I'm really
looking forward to.
Our next question comes from agood, good friend.
I'm not going to name drop herebecause I know this person.
They're an amazing individual.
So let's talk about it.
(27:50):
This person's great, by the way.
I love this person.
They really are a good person.
I know this person.
They're a good person.
Let's jump into it.
Have I said that enough?
Has person started to lose itsmeaning yet to you?
I don't know.
Let's go through.
It says, Ayo, here's a rant.
Kyle and semi-pro unofficiallygoaded production manager Rio.
(28:11):
You might have to change hisname to that.
That's pretty good.
I don't know.
Let's jump right into it.
There's a lot here, so let'sjump right into it.
How do we feel about the dailygrind of life?
This may become a financialepisode, but I feel like it's a
strange time we live in.
Amen, brother.
I'm from SoCal, and it seemslike most people I know work two
to three jobs just to live.
As a fellow Sokalian, true.
(28:32):
Mind you, these are people notliving lavish lives.
Continued, I'm also workingmultiple jobs and playing the
capitalist game.
But deep down, if you ask myopinion of it all, I feel like
it's a broken system.
Amen.
That we have here.
We work to live and live towork.
How do we change the system?
This is such, such a goodquestion.
(28:55):
good question i'm gonna go pieceby piece um but first um i don't
have a recording of rio's voicebut we did talk about this um
and here's what he says um ofcourse too this is not a
recording i wish i would havegrabbed a recording but we were
just on the phone but as we weretalking we were having this
(29:18):
conversation and i was writingdown notes and i told him I'm
going to say these out loud.
So it's not a recording.
Unfortunately, I work on gettingthat because I think that would
be super valuable.
But here's what Rio says.
This is just all of it.
So it's going to jump around.
First and foremost, you can'tchange the system.
That doesn't mean that it thatlike the issues with us.
(29:39):
We agree.
I agree that the system isrigged.
But unfortunately, you can'tchange it.
No matter who you voted for, youcan always do, do, do and do all
the things that you think areright.
But you cannot.
This guy is smart.
But you cannot change the systemunless you are Trump or unless
you are a Biden, in which case,please change the system.
(30:02):
This guy is smart.
He continues.
This is out of our control.
So someone really doesn't likewhat he lives in SoCal, too, by
the way.
This is out of our control.
It may suck as someone who isfrom SoCal.
But maybe moving, if it'scompletely financial, maybe
moving's an option.
Getting out, I do agree, thesystem sucks in SoCal, and we
(30:24):
most certainly do live to work.
I underline this, does indeedsuck.
With that said, Rio continues,and these are just like
paraphrases, right?
This isn't really what he's,like, it's a paraphrase.
He says, you have to make itwork for you.
He doesn't work the mostglamorous job, Whoa, you mean
you don't like working at KyleTalks for negative$12 a month?
(30:47):
What?
What are you saying?
You have to make it work foryou.
I work a job that I wouldn't sayI necessarily love, but man, do
I do enjoy it.
And I think it's meaningful.
So my suggestions would behaving to find a meaningful job.
There it is.
(31:08):
That's a Rio's notes.
He said a lot more, but that'sjust what I caught, but that's
what he says.
And there's some of his notes aswell.
Um, yeah, I mean, I, I agreepretty much bar for bar with
what Rio said.
I think it's ultimately in theeye of the beholder.
That doesn't mean the systemsucks, right?
(31:29):
Like I feel like you'd have tobe a super rich guy to say it
doesn't suck, you know, to behonest.
Um, But the system clearlysucks.
You do have to work two to threejobs.
And you're right.
I know we don't we're notprobably talking about the same
people, but I know people aswell working two, three jobs to
(31:49):
live.
And it's not lavish.
They're just living.
I'm sure we all know people likethat.
And that's unfortunate.
The system sucks.
I would say what Rio says isright.
Do the things that we think isright.
Voting, whatever rallies,whatever it is.
Um, that you think will make thesystem better.
We have to do that because thenif we don't do that, we're just
(32:12):
complaining.
You know what I mean?
Uh, I think like, yeah, if wedon't, if we believe something
is wrong, but we don't reallystand up for it, you're just
complaining.
You'd like to complain.
That's all that is truthfully.
That's all that is.
Um, And yeah, I, that's, Ithink, yeah.
And the daily grind of life.
So that's how I feel about likethe system, the system sucks.
(32:34):
The system is not good.
The system is genuinelyterrible.
Point blank period.
All those other things.
But I want to talk about dailygrind of life.
That's what I think is in theeye of the beholder.
That's what I think can changeperson to person.
I know that sounds super cheesyand cliche.
(32:56):
I get it.
Trust me.
I trust me.
I get it.
But I really think how do youhow are you viewing it?
We we only live for seventy nineyears, seventy five.
If we're lucky, if we're lucky,we make it that long in life.
You know what I'm saying?
So does it what?
Would it be purposeful to say Ihate my life and go through your
(33:19):
life hating it?
No, it's not going to doanything for you.
No, it's just going to make youmore depressed and hate your
life.
But even though that thosethings may be true and valid, we
only got 75 summers.
We only got 75 winters, 80 ifwe're lucky.
I think the average lifespan is79 now.
That's the average lifespan.
Shout out MS.
(33:39):
You know, I'll hopefully.
Yeah.
Anyways, it's like, how do youview it?
I think is really like.
You could hate it.
And if you do hate it, do it.
We have to do what Rio says.
Like we have to find somethingelse that's at least more
meaningful.
You're only here for 70 or 70plus years.
That's about it.
When you put things in thatperspective.
(34:00):
Maybe it's time we need to findsomething else.
And yes, you know, rent bills.
I get that.
It's a part of it.
But there has to be a middleground.
There has to be.
There's so many people who aresuccessful.
And what I mean by successful isthey're making it and they can
go on vacation once a year.
They're not super strapped forcash all the time.
That's I don't mean successfulas total followers.
(34:22):
The gorgeous life, all thisbling blow.
That's not what I mean.
I mean, if someone who can.
Actually get by.
Comfortably.
Of course, they can have moremoney.
Of course.
Of course, they can have...
Of course.
You can always have more money,more fame, more influence,
power.
You can always.
But someone who's getting bycomfortably, even if you have$0
(34:43):
in your account at the end ofthe week, but all your bills are
paid, I don't know.
That tells me you're successful,and it tells me you kind of
care.
Anyway, so, yeah, I think it'sin the eye of the beholder.
And it's, yeah, we do work tolive, and we do live to work.
And I...
Like Rio said, I think that'sentirely in the eye of the
beholder.
The system sucks.
(35:05):
If you disagree with that, areyou under a rock?
I don't know.
But I think there's a lot ofpersonal responsibility.
And like, hey, my situation isshit.
How do I make it not that way?
And I've said this before.
I've said this on the podbefore.
And I'll say it again.
(35:25):
The government is not going tosave us.
I don't care if you want to besuccessful, rich, power,
whatever it is you want, money,whatever.
The government's not going to doit for you.
Now, that's a conversation Iwould love to have with someone
who disagrees because that's agood conversation.
But yeah, thank you for sayingthat question in.
I hope that kind of touched onhopefully give you some answers.
(35:48):
I really like this question.
It's a great question.
And you, my friend, you knowthis.
I love you.
I think you're one of the bestpeople on the planet.
I truly believe that.
I saw this and I was like, ofcourse I got to include this
question.
Really one of the best guys Iknow, truly.
Thank you so much for sending inthose questions.
(36:10):
Guys, there it is.
What did we talk about?
We talked about having realconversations, having them with
respect, how to stayopen-minded, what's the line
between listening and endorsingsomeone.
And lastly, we tapped it offwith the system sucks, working,
living the work.
How can we change it?
How can we view it to makechanges?
(36:31):
And I love this episode.
We have some great topics inhere.
Thank you guys for sending inthese great questions where we
just have conversations.
One homeboy talking to the next.
It's really good.
And I really do appreciate it.
If you'd like to send in yourquestions to be on a boss
segment or a chatting with youepisode, please send those
questions into Kyle talks,podcast, gmail.com and put boss
(36:54):
P O S S in the subject line.
If you enjoy this, pleaseconsider, um, sharing the show,
share it, uh, at KyleTheHortonon X, Instagram, Twitter,
whatever it is, and then reviewthe podcast to help us grow and
invite more people into thisconversation.
I love you guys.
One man paid the ultimate priceon the cross for you.
(37:14):
His name is Jesus, and he lovesyou more than you understand.
And we have a lot to talk abouton Pyconomy next week, so I
guess I'll see you guys nexttime on Pyconomy.
Peace.
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