December 31, 2025 • 27 mins
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L.A. reacts! Author karin Wilkinson discusses the ongoing UFO disclosure, as well as what her presentation will cover in the upcoming 'Deception 2026 Virtual UFO Conference'.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
UFOs are real, burgeoning not blowing away, I
am your intrepid host coming toyou from an undisclosed location
somewhere deep in the heart ofthe Santa Monica Mountains. My
very special guest today, goodfriend, we had vacation with
Karen and her English husbandDave Wilkinson. It's always
great to hang out with her andDave and the crew as it were,
(00:24):
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If you've not read the book goto our website lamarzulvi.com,
lamarzulvi.com. She was anabductee from a very early age
and our film number four onabductions, it's Karen Wilkinson
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is the tempo. That's a filmicterm that we use. Everything
revolves around Karen. AlMatthews is another abductee.
Emile Jerk another abductee. Andthen of course Angela Beckman,
yet a fourth abductee. All thesepeople are telling you the truth
something is happening. It'svery dark, it's very nefarious
and the reason why we're holdingour January is to push back
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against the prevailingnarrative, to try to wake up a
sleeping church because thechurch still differs and won't
even talk about it for the mostpart. Karen, thanks so much for
coming on the record.
Really appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Oh, thank you for having me. It's always an honor
to sit down and chat with youLA.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Well, the honor is all mine. You'll be presenting
at the January. And by the way,folks, it is a virtual
conference. It's $19.99. Go todeception2026.com.
We're over 500 participantsalready. I'm sure we'll get a
(03:34):
thousand easily by the day ofthe conference. It starts Friday
the sixteenth and then goes intoSaturday. So Friday around 05:00
we'll start rolling it out. Idon't know how long it's going
to go at least till 09:00 thenSaturday morning from nine to
probably six or seven.
There'll be two films that we'llbe showing and there's 10
speakers. Let me just give youthe rundown since I'm doing the
(03:56):
commercial. Gary Stuber andMontlou Gonzalez, Derek Gilbert,
former abductee and author KarenWolkinson, author's Alan Didio,
Vicki Joy Hammerson, formerabductee Al Mathews, Tim
Alburrito, Josh Peck, LarryRaglan and of course yours
truly, L. A. Marzulli.
I will be doing a Q and A at theend but Karen you know so much
(04:17):
is going on. I know you'vewatched 'Age of Disclosure' the
film. I want to start there. Imean, I saw that film, I fell
out of my chair and that's whenI said, we've got to stand up
and push back against thisnarrative. Not in an ugly way,
not in a disparaging way, but tosay, wait a minute, wait a
(04:38):
minute, there's another paradigmhere that people are overlooking
and that's the biblicalperspective.
And that's of course theparadigm that we hold to, that
these are not extraterrestrialsfrom some faraway galaxy, they
are interdimensional raiders, asGary Steerman likes to call
them. Speak to your thoughtsabout the Age of Disclosure
(04:59):
film.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Yes, I thought it was a good film in general. I agree.
Well done. Watch it. It was verywell done.
I was thrilled to see that therewere Air Force personnel
testifying on the film, becausethat's something new. We haven't
seen that before. That's one ofthe branches of military that's
remained very tight lipped,because they're so involved in
(05:20):
the whole program, as it were,and then talking about the
legacy program, I found thatvery interesting as well, that
they were bringing out morevocabulary about these programs
that have remained hidden for solong. Clearly, it is a
controlled disclosure, it's acontrolled drip of information
to us, but at least it's comingout, and so that is positive.
(05:42):
Every time there's another filmor another congressional
hearing, which the word on thestreet is there will be another
one in January, so keep an eyeout for that y'all.
Every time there's more, it justgives more credence to the
things we've been saying allalong. It proves the things that
I've been saying have happenedto me, have happened not just to
me, but to hundreds andthousands of others, maybe even
(06:03):
millions of others, you know. Myguess is one in two people have
probably had an experience ofsome sort, so there are a lot of
people that need information,but I agree with you that what
was missing was anything comingfrom a biblical perspective? No,
no, From my list. Negative whenit came to that.
In your newsletter this pastmonth, I wrote a bit about that,
(06:26):
and quoted what they weresaying. It was quite negative,
unfortunately, and did notprovide anyone with the guidance
that I think is necessary forpeople to understand what we've
been saying all along about whoand what these things are.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
So let's go to that. Who and what are, you know,
these interdimensional raiders,these intruders? Those are two
sayings that Gary Steermancalled interdimensional raiders
and intruders because that'sexactly what they are. Are these
really you know are spacebrothers and I just love, let me
digress here, I just love, infact I've got my but I digress
(07:02):
mug right here folks, there yougo. Al Mathies in our film, on
our 10 box DVD set on the wholeUFO phenomenon.
Thank you, Gil Zimmerman, mybusiness partner. There's 10
films, we're the only Christianministry, whatever you want to
call us, that has 10 films onthe whole UFO phenomenon. And
I'm boasting we did this becausethe Lord quickened us to get it
(07:25):
done. So, there's closeencounters of the first, second,
third and fourth kind, theexperts weigh in. I sit down
with Francesco Carreira, New Ageguy, head of Exopolitics
Portugal Preston Dennett, NewAge guy and we love these guys,
they're friends, but they have adifferent perspective.
So that's why the experts weighin and we cross swords and
that's okay. We do it in aloving way, we're not trying to
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disparage anyone. After that weget into the abduction phenomena
and that's where Karen is thetent pole, she's the centerpiece
of it. And Al Matthews, I justcame back out of the rabbit hole
here, Matthews looks right atthe camera at the very end and
you can hear the passion in hisvoice, you can hear it how he
emphatically states, These arenot our space brothers. I want
(08:11):
you to speak to that, please.
What are these, and where werethey from?
Speaker 2 (08:15):
The entities that are kidnapping children, adults,
mutilating animals, humans,carrying out terrible
experiments, stealing fetusesthese are the fallen ones. These
are the fallen angels of theBible. These are the ones that
fell, the ones that arecreatures we call angels it's
(08:38):
kind of a misnomer, but we callthem angelic creatures the
Beneha Elohim, the sons of Godand they are the ones that fell
that have gone against God andagainst his way and had joined
the darkness, the dark side, andthat we know that, you know, as
we both like to say, you know,they're, from our friend, the
late, pastor excuse me.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
It's alright.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Sorry. But they're outnumbered two to one, you
know, and Satan shall loseRight. Our money. And, yeah. And
it's These are the fallen.
These are the fallen angles ofthe Bible. It's that simple. And
when people look at someone likeme, people, pastors, people in
the church and say, I don'tbelieve you. I don't believe
these things happen to you. Thisis just too hard for me to
(09:23):
believe.
I'm like, But you will youbelieve the Bible is the
inherent word of God, right? Soyou believe the angelic beings
in the Bible, who eat and drinkwith people, who walk through
walls, who walk through fire,who break chains, who make
donkeys talk, all these thingsthat happen in the Bible, you
believe. You believe that theytalked to Mary, that she was
able to give birth to, you know,the Son of God. You believe all
(09:48):
these things happened, but youcan't believe me when I'm
telling you I've been attackedby these same entities, the ones
that fell, the evil ones. How isit any different?
We're talking about angelicbeings. Some of them fell, some
of them didn't. The ones thatfell are out there wreaking
havoc on mankind. And I likewhat Gary Steuerman said, that
(10:09):
he's exactly right. You know,they are unwelcome intruders,
and they are hurting the peopleof this world.
They are hurting Christians andnon Christians alike. And it's
very important that we share theinformation about who they are
so people can have answers towho they are and what they're
doing and why.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Great answer and these are trans dimensional
raters. It's so funny how it'snot funny, it's actually tragic
how many in the church won'teven look at it and give you the
deer in the headlights look. Andyet, they're already to tell you
about Jesus rose from the dead.Excuse me? Seriously?
And what do you hang your haton? How do you know He rose from
(10:50):
the dead? What proof can yougive me? That's why we have a
shameless plug but our film onthe Shroud of Torrent, this is
God's calling card. This tellsyou that something happened.
Of course the skeptic willbelieve it no matter how much
you show. But the deal is, isn'tit funny how the Christian not
funny, it's tragic, it'spathetic in some ways how the
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Christian church believes infloating axes, talking donkeys,
men that walk on water, word ofthis change in the wine, storms
that are calm with a singleword, the bilocation of Philip
going from one town to another,the bilocation of Jesus when
they're out in the ship, out inthe little boat in the Sea Of
Galilee, He calms the storm andthen suddenly they were at their
(11:32):
destination. That's calledbilocation, so deal with it. And
I'm not going to apologize forusing that term, that's exactly
what it is. They're over hereand in an instant they move over
here.
What about when Jesus is temptedin the desert, right? He's in
the desert forty days, fortynights without food, the dragon,
Satan himself, comes and wheredo they go? Where do they go?
(11:52):
They go to the temple inJerusalem. How does he get to
the temple?
By location. You see, we've gotthis truncated view of the
supernatural, we refuse toreally believe what we're
reading, and it certainly can'thappen now in modernity. Oh,
please, LA, all those thingsdied out. And then you've got
Karen, you've got Emile, you'vegot Al Matthews, you've got
(12:14):
Angela, and countless othersthat I have spoken to all, all
of them have been taken againsttheir will. Just like Daniel two
forty three states, just likethe days of Noah.
And I'll hand it back to you.Jesus warns us to be like the
days of Noah. Everybody knowswhat He's talking about two
thousand years ago. Oh, you meanthe fallen ages are going to
(12:35):
come back? Exactly.
They're going to be mixing theseed? Exactly. And then we've
got the sign off as Daniel twoforty three. So, speak to that,
please.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Yes, and two things important here. One, why is it
important that we understandthat this is true? Why is it
important that there's more thana very small handful of pastors
who actually believe me? Mean,solid form. I've met with them,
I've presented before them, andthey still don't believe that
this happened to me.
(13:06):
Why would I lie? I'm not gainingfrom this. What I am gaining is
the opportunity to help others,and for me, that's worth
everything, But, you know,mostly I gained ridicule and
criticism, but I'm not going tostop because this is what God
has put in our past, and I knowyou understand this, and you are
the first pastor that I thatbelieved me, that understood
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what I was talking about. Andit, hallelujah, it was a
breakthrough moment, because theonly place I was getting answers
before was from the New Agebelief system, and people are
still going there for answers.And that's why this is
important, because asChristians, if we don't
understand our Bible, if wedon't understand where this is
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in our Bible, and we don'tunderstand how to address it
from a Biblical perspective, andoffer the kindness, love,
support, caring and healing thatpeople like me who have been
through these things need, thenwe are going to lose people to
the face that are not going tobring them salvation, and we are
going to lose the opportunity tominister to others, to share the
gospel with others, and to sharethe glorious salvation that we
(14:10):
are offered through Jesus in Hissacrifice and His completed work
on the cross.
But we are turning our nose upat that by not understanding
that this is real, it is in theBible, it is biblical, and it
has been around longer than wehave, and we have a
responsibility to share thattruth and not turn away from it
and not turn our noses upbecause it's not comfortable.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Wow, I mean, that's really well said. And I just
love the passion that you have,to reach other people. You know
you're right about this, I meanpeople that have these
experiences and they'll go tothe new oh you're open, it's
okay' and I'm not going tomention any name but there's
people out there who arepromulgating this and saying,
(14:53):
you know, actually tellingpeople to meditate and call
these entities in. You know,they're benevolent. You know,
all the cat that's all thegovernment.
Excuse me, it's not all thegovernment. I mean, how people
need to look, in our film on'Catty Mutulations' and I know
you've seen it very dark,darkest film, it's like 'Hell's
(15:13):
Kitchen' that's where we takethe audience and unfortunately
there is no way out. There's no,you know, happy moment at the
end, it's not. There's nothinghappy or good about it at all.
And when I sat down with RancherMiller on his ranch, 16
mutilations in twenty years, 16in twenty years.
And in front of this property,the road is a two lane road out
(15:37):
in middle of nowhere. Middle ofnowhere. It's not like you get
100 cars a day middle ofnowhere. There's been 12
fatalities. I think it's 12fatalities twenty years.
The statistics of that areabsurd right in front of his
house. This road's deadstraight, it's got a slight
incline, dead straight, nothingweird, nothing weird, 12
(16:00):
fatalities? I think it was 12.I'm really bad with numbers, but
I'm pretty sure it was 12fatalities since he's been
there. You know, it's just like,what are we looking at here?
Very dark, very nefarious. So,you know, meditate and call
these things in. And how do youequate the counter mutilations?
The government is involved onsome level, I get that, the
(16:21):
military, but we don't even knowthat. It's all hearsay and there
was a mutilation out of a ranchin Texas, Mike Hamilton was on
the show and talked about it.
Karen, this whole thing justdisintegrated. The carcass
disintegrates, there's nothingleft. There's absolutely nothing
left of it at all over like twoweeks, not even the bones,
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Everything just disintegratedand evaporated. I mean, what are
we looking at here? So, age ofdisclosure, I want to circle
back to that.
Because they're saying that inthe very beginning of the film
we are not alone, we are notalone, we are not alone. So you
get Marco Rubio, we are notalone. You get Admiral Gauladet,
we are not alone. You get LuisElizondo, we are not alone.
(17:05):
Christopher Mellon, we are notalone.
To name a few. And it justbuilds and builds and builds.
And you've got to remember thisfilm, big budget, and it's all
heads of government and exmilitary, and they're saying
we're not alone, we're notalone. And that's why we're
holding on. I realize thissounds like a broken record, but
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this is to folks, this is reallyimportant.
You've got to understand thatit's happening and it's coming
down now, especially withSpielberg's movie coming up, and
I want to talk about that in asecond, this summer, which, you
know, once again spitting it.They've got the nun going, the
nun's voice is going, Surely Godwould have made other people in
the universe. Strawman argument,you don't know, know, Gnu
(17:48):
Jerusalem comes here, not toZena reticulate. So, age of
disclosure (17:53):
we are not alone, we are not alone, we are not alone.
Karen, you'd think my phonewould be ringing off the hook?
Flatlined, flatlined, just likealways. Church is completely
asleep. You would think that thepastors locally around here
would be calling me up, theyknow who I am. Flatlined, not a
clue. And this is reallyproblematic because if, and this
(18:15):
is what I want you to address,Trump gets up like he did last
night and says, I have anannouncement to make, and behind
him are the Joint Chiefs ofStaff and maybe some other
people like Marco Rubio andothers.
We are not alone. We have beenvisited by these entities for
thousands of years. We are notalone. And then the Pope chimes
(18:37):
in and says the same thing, andthen other heads of state mimic
Trump and that's it. And twoThessalonians, you know, chapter
two, boom, the great fallingaway, the apostasia, speak to
that, please.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Oh, absolutely. I mean, this is just shining a
bright light on the problem, allof this, because we are not, as
a church, prepared to honor thetruth that no word really says.
And instead of understanding theBible, we're still just picking
out the pretty parts andignoring the rest. And even when
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it comes to our fellow brothersand sisters who are going
through things like what I'vegone through, we're still
picking out the other parts andignoring the things that explain
what happened to me. And I now,you know, we talked earlier last
month about the DNA evidencethat's come out, how now there's
DNA proof that those of uswho've had these missing
pregnancies, how fetalmicrochimerism allows the
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mother's body to retain acertain amount of the DNA from
the child they're carrying, andthat DNA stays in the body for a
certain amount of time, and thatproves and they've done the
testing now that proves thatthere are those of us who have
this quote unquote alien DNA inour DNA mixed in because it
doesn't make us nonhuman, itdoesn't make us canares, it
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doesn't make us nyfeline, don'tget me wrong, but that DNA
signature stays behind.
Infiltrates our bones, itinfiltrates our organs, and all
of these things, let alone withall the exposure those of us
who've been taking it had,create tons of medical problems.
I mean, medical problems y'allwouldn't imagine, you know, and
(20:22):
that can't be explained. Youknow, the doctors can't explain
why there's burns on the backsof my retinas that don't make
sense. Every time they look athim, like, are you in a Nick
radiation accident? Whathappened?
You go, Well Well, yeah. I mean,you know, the bone broth, things
like that. There is so muchproof, but still the church does
not want to believe that this ishappening. What more do I have
(20:44):
to do? My body is physicallydying from what happened to me,
and people still don't believe.
It's in the Bible. You believethat Jesus died on the cross for
our sins. You believe that Herose until the third day. You
believe that He walked throughthe wall, sat down and said, Hey
guys, I'm hungry. Let's eat.
You believe these things. Butyou won't believe that the
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angels who fell are wreakinghavoc on the earth even after
the Garden Of Eden when we knowthat's where it all started.
After Genesis three fifteendeclared that there's a seed war
after Genesis six showed us thatthey were already procreating
what the daughters have been.What else do we need? What else
can I do to prove to people inthe church that this is really
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happening, that this is real,and we need to be prepared to
speak to it because everyoneelse is ready?
Yeah, everybody else. The LORDEenridge Way wins overnight,
people in the alternativechurches are ready, and they're
gonna be bringing people in bythe thousands, because people
want, like you said, when thePresident gets up there, and
says, hey folks, we're notalone, people are gonna want
answers. Yep. And the church isnot, the Christian church is not
(21:52):
offering answers yet. We aretrying, but we are one small
group of people doing our best.
But the Christian churches ingeneral, as a whole, are not
offering the answers that peopleneed, and I am just so
passionate about this becausepeople need these answers. I'm
just, when this comes out andit's widely accepted, not just
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those that must have been taken,but the people who haven't are
going to be scared and they'regoing to need comfort. We, as a
church, are responsible forcomforting our brothers and
sisters. We have to meet themwhere they are. We have to help
them understand what the Biblesays about and help them
understand how to have eternallife with God through salvation.
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It's all there folks and this isour opportunity to share the
Gospel in a way like we've neverhad before, and we're going to
miss it because we're notwilling to say the hard things,
and that hurts my heart.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
And this is the perfect segue. This is why we're
holding our virtual conferenceon January 16 or the
seventeenth. Karen, you'll bespeaking, you're one of the
speakers, it's all virtual, it'sa pre record, but it's new
material, it's a presentation,she'll be speaking at forty five
minutes to an hour or whatever.Karen, what are you going to be
bringing to that?
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Absolutely, yes, I'm so excited about it, and thank
you for the opportunity. I willbe speaking about exactly some
of the things we talked abouttoday, the stigma that exists,
about the dangers of notunderstanding the truth, about
the truths that exist in theBible that help people
understand how to explain this.Not just saying, Hey, we need to
explain this, say, Here's how.Here's some verses you can
(23:35):
reference. Here are some stepsyou can take to help share this
truth, so that people have thisinformation to take forward.
And I want to talk more aboutwhy it's so dangerous not to
have this, and some examples ofthat. And also a little bit
about the DNA evidence that'scome forward, and what it's like
from the point of view of I'm anabductee, and I hope I can get
all of this in. I'll try. No,you will. I worry.
(23:56):
Five minutes to an hour. Butfrom the point of view of an
abductee, based on what I'velearned, what the ones who took
me taught me, and then basedthat with the evidence that was
shown in this latest movie,it'll be easier for me to
explain how do we go throughwalls? How do we go through
windows? Because those pieceshave really kind of coalesced
and come together, and I think Ican explain it to everyone in a
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way that will help it make moresense for ones, and help kind of
because that's one of the bigsticking points for people, and
I'm like, just because you don'tunderstand it doesn't mean it
doesn't happen. Exactly.
But maybe I can help bring alittle shed a little more light
on that too, so that's what Ihope to share with everyone at
the conference, and hopefullygive them some tools to take
forward to just help more peopleand do more good with the
(24:40):
information that we already havein the Bible, but we may not be
fully aware of.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Well, Karen, that's great. Really looking forward to
it, and of course, once again,to deception2026.com. Up today,
nineteen point nine nine virtualconference, 10 speakers. I don't
want to miss that. And thereason why we're doing it is
because it's happening allaround us.
Films, movies, you know, BretBaer sat down with the director
(25:10):
of agent disclosure. I mean,this is Bret Baer on Fox News.
How does that even happen forcrying out loud? But he's there
talking about disclosure,talking about what's going on.
Wake up, church.
Wake up. I am available for notconferences. We're off the road
because we reach thousands ofpeople here every single day
(25:31):
with our daily show. And it's agreat, it's a conservation of
our resources. So I'll come onanybody's podcast, talk about
this thing.
Pastors, if you want one hourmoment with me on the phone,
just shoot me an email and I'llset up a time with you. We don't
charge for any of this. Butwe're off the road for the most
(25:54):
part. We're completely not doingconferences anymore, which is
why this is a virtualconference. It's a better use of
our resources.
Karen, thanks for coming on therecord. Always great to see you
and we'll be recording yourpresentation here soon. Once
again, folks, deception 2026deception 2026. I'll be back
again tomorrow with anothershow. Folks, Eli Marzulli here.
(26:17):
What happens if our PresidentDonald J. Trump makes an
announcement from the WhiteHouse? He looks right at the
camera and he says, We are notalone in the universe. How does
that affect you? How does thataffect your faith?
How does that affect what youbelieve in? Folks, we have the
answers that will shed light onthis controversial subject: THE
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Alan Didio, Vicki Joy Hammerson,former abductee Alan Matthews,
Jim Alberino, Josh Peck, LarryRagler, and of course, L. A.
(27:01):
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UFOs are real, burgeoning not blowing away, I
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If you've not read the book goto our website lamarzulvi.com,
lamarzulvi.com. She was anabductee from a very early age
and our film number four onabductions, it's Karen Wilkinson
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is the tempo. That's a filmicterm that we use. Everything
revolves around Karen. AlMatthews is another abductee.
Emile Jerk another abductee. Andthen of course Angela Beckman,
yet a fourth abductee. All thesepeople are telling you the truth
something is happening. It'svery dark, it's very nefarious
and the reason why we're holdingour January is to push back
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against the prevailingnarrative, to try to wake up a
sleeping church because thechurch still differs and won't
even talk about it for the mostpart. Karen, thanks so much for
coming on the record.
Really appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Oh, thank you for having me. It's always an honor
to sit down and chat with youLA.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Well, the honor is all mine. You'll be presenting
at the January. And by the way,folks, it is a virtual
conference. It's $19.99. Go todeception2026.com.
We're over 500 participantsalready. I'm sure we'll get a
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thousand easily by the day ofthe conference. It starts Friday
the sixteenth and then goes intoSaturday. So Friday around 05:00
we'll start rolling it out. Idon't know how long it's going
to go at least till 09:00 thenSaturday morning from nine to
probably six or seven.
There'll be two films that we'llbe showing and there's 10
speakers. Let me just give youthe rundown since I'm doing the
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commercial. Gary Stuber andMontlou Gonzalez, Derek Gilbert,
former abductee and author KarenWolkinson, author's Alan Didio,
Vicki Joy Hammerson, formerabductee Al Mathews, Tim
Alburrito, Josh Peck, LarryRaglan and of course yours
truly, L. A. Marzulli.
I will be doing a Q and A at theend but Karen you know so much
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is going on. I know you'vewatched 'Age of Disclosure' the
film. I want to start there. Imean, I saw that film, I fell
out of my chair and that's whenI said, we've got to stand up
and push back against thisnarrative. Not in an ugly way,
not in a disparaging way, but tosay, wait a minute, wait a
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minute, there's another paradigmhere that people are overlooking
and that's the biblicalperspective.
And that's of course theparadigm that we hold to, that
these are not extraterrestrialsfrom some faraway galaxy, they
are interdimensional raiders, asGary Steerman likes to call
them. Speak to your thoughtsabout the Age of Disclosure
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film.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Yes, I thought it was a good film in general. I agree.
Well done. Watch it. It was verywell done.
I was thrilled to see that therewere Air Force personnel
testifying on the film, becausethat's something new. We haven't
seen that before. That's one ofthe branches of military that's
remained very tight lipped,because they're so involved in
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the whole program, as it were,and then talking about the
legacy program, I found thatvery interesting as well, that
they were bringing out morevocabulary about these programs
that have remained hidden for solong. Clearly, it is a
controlled disclosure, it's acontrolled drip of information
to us, but at least it's comingout, and so that is positive.
(05:42):
Every time there's another filmor another congressional
hearing, which the word on thestreet is there will be another
one in January, so keep an eyeout for that y'all.
Every time there's more, it justgives more credence to the
things we've been saying allalong. It proves the things that
I've been saying have happenedto me, have happened not just to
me, but to hundreds andthousands of others, maybe even
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millions of others, you know. Myguess is one in two people have
probably had an experience ofsome sort, so there are a lot of
people that need information,but I agree with you that what
was missing was anything comingfrom a biblical perspective? No,
no, From my list. Negative whenit came to that.
In your newsletter this pastmonth, I wrote a bit about that,
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and quoted what they weresaying. It was quite negative,
unfortunately, and did notprovide anyone with the guidance
that I think is necessary forpeople to understand what we've
been saying all along about whoand what these things are.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
So let's go to that. Who and what are, you know,
these interdimensional raiders,these intruders? Those are two
sayings that Gary Steermancalled interdimensional raiders
and intruders because that'sexactly what they are. Are these
really you know are spacebrothers and I just love, let me
digress here, I just love, infact I've got my but I digress
(07:02):
mug right here folks, there yougo. Al Mathies in our film, on
our 10 box DVD set on the wholeUFO phenomenon.
Thank you, Gil Zimmerman, mybusiness partner. There's 10
films, we're the only Christianministry, whatever you want to
call us, that has 10 films onthe whole UFO phenomenon. And
I'm boasting we did this becausethe Lord quickened us to get it
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done. So, there's closeencounters of the first, second,
third and fourth kind, theexperts weigh in. I sit down
with Francesco Carreira, New Ageguy, head of Exopolitics
Portugal Preston Dennett, NewAge guy and we love these guys,
they're friends, but they have adifferent perspective.
So that's why the experts weighin and we cross swords and
that's okay. We do it in aloving way, we're not trying to
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disparage anyone. After that weget into the abduction phenomena
and that's where Karen is thetent pole, she's the centerpiece
of it. And Al Matthews, I justcame back out of the rabbit hole
here, Matthews looks right atthe camera at the very end and
you can hear the passion in hisvoice, you can hear it how he
emphatically states, These arenot our space brothers. I want
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you to speak to that, please.
What are these, and where werethey from?
Speaker 2 (08:15):
The entities that are kidnapping children, adults,
mutilating animals, humans,carrying out terrible
experiments, stealing fetusesthese are the fallen ones. These
are the fallen angels of theBible. These are the ones that
fell, the ones that arecreatures we call angels it's
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kind of a misnomer, but we callthem angelic creatures the
Beneha Elohim, the sons of Godand they are the ones that fell
that have gone against God andagainst his way and had joined
the darkness, the dark side, andthat we know that, you know, as
we both like to say, you know,they're, from our friend, the
late, pastor excuse me.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
It's alright.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Sorry. But they're outnumbered two to one, you
know, and Satan shall loseRight. Our money. And, yeah. And
it's These are the fallen.
These are the fallen angles ofthe Bible. It's that simple. And
when people look at someone likeme, people, pastors, people in
the church and say, I don'tbelieve you. I don't believe
these things happen to you. Thisis just too hard for me to
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believe.
I'm like, But you will youbelieve the Bible is the
inherent word of God, right? Soyou believe the angelic beings
in the Bible, who eat and drinkwith people, who walk through
walls, who walk through fire,who break chains, who make
donkeys talk, all these thingsthat happen in the Bible, you
believe. You believe that theytalked to Mary, that she was
able to give birth to, you know,the Son of God. You believe all
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these things happened, but youcan't believe me when I'm
telling you I've been attackedby these same entities, the ones
that fell, the evil ones. How isit any different?
We're talking about angelicbeings. Some of them fell, some
of them didn't. The ones thatfell are out there wreaking
havoc on mankind. And I likewhat Gary Steuerman said, that
(10:09):
he's exactly right. You know,they are unwelcome intruders,
and they are hurting the peopleof this world.
They are hurting Christians andnon Christians alike. And it's
very important that we share theinformation about who they are
so people can have answers towho they are and what they're
doing and why.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Great answer and these are trans dimensional
raters. It's so funny how it'snot funny, it's actually tragic
how many in the church won'teven look at it and give you the
deer in the headlights look. Andyet, they're already to tell you
about Jesus rose from the dead.Excuse me? Seriously?
And what do you hang your haton? How do you know He rose from
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the dead? What proof can yougive me? That's why we have a
shameless plug but our film onthe Shroud of Torrent, this is
God's calling card. This tellsyou that something happened.
Of course the skeptic willbelieve it no matter how much
you show. But the deal is, isn'tit funny how the Christian not
funny, it's tragic, it'spathetic in some ways how the
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Christian church believes infloating axes, talking donkeys,
men that walk on water, word ofthis change in the wine, storms
that are calm with a singleword, the bilocation of Philip
going from one town to another,the bilocation of Jesus when
they're out in the ship, out inthe little boat in the Sea Of
Galilee, He calms the storm andthen suddenly they were at their
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destination. That's calledbilocation, so deal with it. And
I'm not going to apologize forusing that term, that's exactly
what it is. They're over hereand in an instant they move over
here.
What about when Jesus is temptedin the desert, right? He's in
the desert forty days, fortynights without food, the dragon,
Satan himself, comes and wheredo they go? Where do they go?
(11:52):
They go to the temple inJerusalem. How does he get to
the temple?
By location. You see, we've gotthis truncated view of the
supernatural, we refuse toreally believe what we're
reading, and it certainly can'thappen now in modernity. Oh,
please, LA, all those thingsdied out. And then you've got
Karen, you've got Emile, you'vegot Al Matthews, you've got
(12:14):
Angela, and countless othersthat I have spoken to all, all
of them have been taken againsttheir will. Just like Daniel two
forty three states, just likethe days of Noah.
And I'll hand it back to you.Jesus warns us to be like the
days of Noah. Everybody knowswhat He's talking about two
thousand years ago. Oh, you meanthe fallen ages are going to
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come back? Exactly.
They're going to be mixing theseed? Exactly. And then we've
got the sign off as Daniel twoforty three. So, speak to that,
please.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Yes, and two things important here. One, why is it
important that we understandthat this is true? Why is it
important that there's more thana very small handful of pastors
who actually believe me? Mean,solid form. I've met with them,
I've presented before them, andthey still don't believe that
this happened to me.
(13:06):
Why would I lie? I'm not gainingfrom this. What I am gaining is
the opportunity to help others,and for me, that's worth
everything, But, you know,mostly I gained ridicule and
criticism, but I'm not going tostop because this is what God
has put in our past, and I knowyou understand this, and you are
the first pastor that I thatbelieved me, that understood
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what I was talking about. Andit, hallelujah, it was a
breakthrough moment, because theonly place I was getting answers
before was from the New Agebelief system, and people are
still going there for answers.And that's why this is
important, because asChristians, if we don't
understand our Bible, if wedon't understand where this is
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in our Bible, and we don'tunderstand how to address it
from a Biblical perspective, andoffer the kindness, love,
support, caring and healing thatpeople like me who have been
through these things need, thenwe are going to lose people to
the face that are not going tobring them salvation, and we are
going to lose the opportunity tominister to others, to share the
gospel with others, and to sharethe glorious salvation that we
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are offered through Jesus in Hissacrifice and His completed work
on the cross.
But we are turning our nose upat that by not understanding
that this is real, it is in theBible, it is biblical, and it
has been around longer than wehave, and we have a
responsibility to share thattruth and not turn away from it
and not turn our noses upbecause it's not comfortable.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Wow, I mean, that's really well said. And I just
love the passion that you have,to reach other people. You know
you're right about this, I meanpeople that have these
experiences and they'll go tothe new oh you're open, it's
okay' and I'm not going tomention any name but there's
people out there who arepromulgating this and saying,
(14:53):
you know, actually tellingpeople to meditate and call
these entities in. You know,they're benevolent. You know,
all the cat that's all thegovernment.
Excuse me, it's not all thegovernment. I mean, how people
need to look, in our film on'Catty Mutulations' and I know
you've seen it very dark,darkest film, it's like 'Hell's
(15:13):
Kitchen' that's where we takethe audience and unfortunately
there is no way out. There's no,you know, happy moment at the
end, it's not. There's nothinghappy or good about it at all.
And when I sat down with RancherMiller on his ranch, 16
mutilations in twenty years, 16in twenty years.
And in front of this property,the road is a two lane road out
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in middle of nowhere. Middle ofnowhere. It's not like you get
100 cars a day middle ofnowhere. There's been 12
fatalities. I think it's 12fatalities twenty years.
The statistics of that areabsurd right in front of his
house. This road's deadstraight, it's got a slight
incline, dead straight, nothingweird, nothing weird, 12
(16:00):
fatalities? I think it was 12.I'm really bad with numbers, but
I'm pretty sure it was 12fatalities since he's been
there. You know, it's just like,what are we looking at here?
Very dark, very nefarious. So,you know, meditate and call
these things in. And how do youequate the counter mutilations?
The government is involved onsome level, I get that, the
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military, but we don't even knowthat. It's all hearsay and there
was a mutilation out of a ranchin Texas, Mike Hamilton was on
the show and talked about it.
Karen, this whole thing justdisintegrated. The carcass
disintegrates, there's nothingleft. There's absolutely nothing
left of it at all over like twoweeks, not even the bones,
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Everything just disintegratedand evaporated. I mean, what are
we looking at here? So, age ofdisclosure, I want to circle
back to that.
Because they're saying that inthe very beginning of the film
we are not alone, we are notalone, we are not alone. So you
get Marco Rubio, we are notalone. You get Admiral Gauladet,
we are not alone. You get LuisElizondo, we are not alone.
(17:05):
Christopher Mellon, we are notalone.
To name a few. And it justbuilds and builds and builds.
And you've got to remember thisfilm, big budget, and it's all
heads of government and exmilitary, and they're saying
we're not alone, we're notalone. And that's why we're
holding on. I realize thissounds like a broken record, but
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this is to folks, this is reallyimportant.
You've got to understand thatit's happening and it's coming
down now, especially withSpielberg's movie coming up, and
I want to talk about that in asecond, this summer, which, you
know, once again spitting it.They've got the nun going, the
nun's voice is going, Surely Godwould have made other people in
the universe. Strawman argument,you don't know, know, Gnu
(17:48):
Jerusalem comes here, not toZena reticulate. So, age of
disclosure (17:53):
we are not alone, we are not alone, we are not alone.
Karen, you'd think my phonewould be ringing off the hook?
Flatlined, flatlined, just likealways. Church is completely
asleep. You would think that thepastors locally around here
would be calling me up, theyknow who I am. Flatlined, not a
clue. And this is reallyproblematic because if, and this
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is what I want you to address,Trump gets up like he did last
night and says, I have anannouncement to make, and behind
him are the Joint Chiefs ofStaff and maybe some other
people like Marco Rubio andothers.
We are not alone. We have beenvisited by these entities for
thousands of years. We are notalone. And then the Pope chimes
(18:37):
in and says the same thing, andthen other heads of state mimic
Trump and that's it. And twoThessalonians, you know, chapter
two, boom, the great fallingaway, the apostasia, speak to
that, please.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Oh, absolutely. I mean, this is just shining a
bright light on the problem, allof this, because we are not, as
a church, prepared to honor thetruth that no word really says.
And instead of understanding theBible, we're still just picking
out the pretty parts andignoring the rest. And even when
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it comes to our fellow brothersand sisters who are going
through things like what I'vegone through, we're still
picking out the other parts andignoring the things that explain
what happened to me. And I now,you know, we talked earlier last
month about the DNA evidencethat's come out, how now there's
DNA proof that those of uswho've had these missing
pregnancies, how fetalmicrochimerism allows the
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mother's body to retain acertain amount of the DNA from
the child they're carrying, andthat DNA stays in the body for a
certain amount of time, and thatproves and they've done the
testing now that proves thatthere are those of us who have
this quote unquote alien DNA inour DNA mixed in because it
doesn't make us nonhuman, itdoesn't make us canares, it
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doesn't make us nyfeline, don'tget me wrong, but that DNA
signature stays behind.
Infiltrates our bones, itinfiltrates our organs, and all
of these things, let alone withall the exposure those of us
who've been taking it had,create tons of medical problems.
I mean, medical problems y'allwouldn't imagine, you know, and
(20:22):
that can't be explained. Youknow, the doctors can't explain
why there's burns on the backsof my retinas that don't make
sense. Every time they look athim, like, are you in a Nick
radiation accident? Whathappened?
You go, Well Well, yeah. I mean,you know, the bone broth, things
like that. There is so muchproof, but still the church does
not want to believe that this ishappening. What more do I have
(20:44):
to do? My body is physicallydying from what happened to me,
and people still don't believe.
It's in the Bible. You believethat Jesus died on the cross for
our sins. You believe that Herose until the third day. You
believe that He walked throughthe wall, sat down and said, Hey
guys, I'm hungry. Let's eat.
You believe these things. Butyou won't believe that the
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angels who fell are wreakinghavoc on the earth even after
the Garden Of Eden when we knowthat's where it all started.
After Genesis three fifteendeclared that there's a seed war
after Genesis six showed us thatthey were already procreating
what the daughters have been.What else do we need? What else
can I do to prove to people inthe church that this is really
(21:29):
happening, that this is real,and we need to be prepared to
speak to it because everyoneelse is ready?
Yeah, everybody else. The LORDEenridge Way wins overnight,
people in the alternativechurches are ready, and they're
gonna be bringing people in bythe thousands, because people
want, like you said, when thePresident gets up there, and
says, hey folks, we're notalone, people are gonna want
answers. Yep. And the church isnot, the Christian church is not
(21:52):
offering answers yet. We aretrying, but we are one small
group of people doing our best.
But the Christian churches ingeneral, as a whole, are not
offering the answers that peopleneed, and I am just so
passionate about this becausepeople need these answers. I'm
just, when this comes out andit's widely accepted, not just
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those that must have been taken,but the people who haven't are
going to be scared and they'regoing to need comfort. We, as a
church, are responsible forcomforting our brothers and
sisters. We have to meet themwhere they are. We have to help
them understand what the Biblesays about and help them
understand how to have eternallife with God through salvation.
(22:37):
It's all there folks and this isour opportunity to share the
Gospel in a way like we've neverhad before, and we're going to
miss it because we're notwilling to say the hard things,
and that hurts my heart.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
And this is the perfect segue. This is why we're
holding our virtual conferenceon January 16 or the
seventeenth. Karen, you'll bespeaking, you're one of the
speakers, it's all virtual, it'sa pre record, but it's new
material, it's a presentation,she'll be speaking at forty five
minutes to an hour or whatever.Karen, what are you going to be
bringing to that?
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Absolutely, yes, I'm so excited about it, and thank
you for the opportunity. I willbe speaking about exactly some
of the things we talked abouttoday, the stigma that exists,
about the dangers of notunderstanding the truth, about
the truths that exist in theBible that help people
understand how to explain this.Not just saying, Hey, we need to
explain this, say, Here's how.Here's some verses you can
(23:35):
reference. Here are some stepsyou can take to help share this
truth, so that people have thisinformation to take forward.
And I want to talk more aboutwhy it's so dangerous not to
have this, and some examples ofthat. And also a little bit
about the DNA evidence that'scome forward, and what it's like
from the point of view of I'm anabductee, and I hope I can get
all of this in. I'll try. No,you will. I worry.
(23:56):
Five minutes to an hour. Butfrom the point of view of an
abductee, based on what I'velearned, what the ones who took
me taught me, and then basedthat with the evidence that was
shown in this latest movie,it'll be easier for me to
explain how do we go throughwalls? How do we go through
windows? Because those pieceshave really kind of coalesced
and come together, and I think Ican explain it to everyone in a
(24:18):
way that will help it make moresense for ones, and help kind of
because that's one of the bigsticking points for people, and
I'm like, just because you don'tunderstand it doesn't mean it
doesn't happen. Exactly.
But maybe I can help bring alittle shed a little more light
on that too, so that's what Ihope to share with everyone at
the conference, and hopefullygive them some tools to take
forward to just help more peopleand do more good with the
(24:40):
information that we already havein the Bible, but we may not be
fully aware of.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Well, Karen, that's great. Really looking forward to
it, and of course, once again,to deception2026.com. Up today,
nineteen point nine nine virtualconference, 10 speakers. I don't
want to miss that. And thereason why we're doing it is
because it's happening allaround us.
Films, movies, you know, BretBaer sat down with the director
(25:10):
of agent disclosure. I mean,this is Bret Baer on Fox News.
How does that even happen forcrying out loud? But he's there
talking about disclosure,talking about what's going on.
Wake up, church.
Wake up. I am available for notconferences. We're off the road
because we reach thousands ofpeople here every single day
(25:31):
with our daily show. And it's agreat, it's a conservation of
our resources. So I'll come onanybody's podcast, talk about
this thing.
Pastors, if you want one hourmoment with me on the phone,
just shoot me an email and I'llset up a time with you. We don't
charge for any of this. Butwe're off the road for the most
(25:54):
part. We're completely not doingconferences anymore, which is
why this is a virtualconference. It's a better use of
our resources.
Karen, thanks for coming on therecord. Always great to see you
and we'll be recording yourpresentation here soon. Once
again, folks, deception 2026deception 2026. I'll be back
again tomorrow with anothershow. Folks, Eli Marzulli here.
(26:17):
What happens if our PresidentDonald J. Trump makes an
announcement from the WhiteHouse? He looks right at the
camera and he says, We are notalone in the universe. How does
that affect you? How does thataffect your faith?
How does that affect what youbelieve in? Folks, we have the
answers that will shed light onthis controversial subject: THE
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GREAT UFO UNMASKING THE STRONGDELUSION, January. You'll hear
from renowned experts like GaryStearman, Mondo Gonzalez, Derek
Hilbert, former abductee andauthor Carol Wilkinson, authors
Alan Didio, Vicki Joy Hammerson,former abductee Alan Matthews,
Jim Alberino, Josh Peck, LarryRagler, and of course, L. A.
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Aren't yourself at the truthfrom a Biblical perspective? Go
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ww.deception2026.com I'll see you there.
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