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Kelly (00:02):
welcome to the LAF life podcast, a lifestyle podcast
based on living alcohol free anda booze soaked world.
My name is Kelly Evans andtogether with my friends, Tracey
Djordjevic, Mike Sutton andLindsay Harik.
We share uncensored.
Unscripted real conversationsabout what our lives have been
like since we ditched alcoholand how we got here by sharing

(00:25):
our individual stories.
We'll show you that there isn'tjust one way to do this, no
matter where you are on yourjourney from sober, curious to
years in recovery and everyonein between, you are welcome
here, no judgment and a ton ofsupport.

Tracey (00:42):
Hello everyone and welcome back to the LAF Life
podcast.
We are back from our seasonbreak and we are ready to begin
the second half of our season.
Hello everyone.

Kelly (00:54):
Hey.

Mike (00:56):
Hello.

Lindsey (00:57):
Hi.
I feel like I haven't heard thatintro in a really long time and
it's good to be back.

Tracey (01:02):
I know, right?
It's so nice to see all yourfaces.
So how were your holidays?
It was a long, long break.
Wow.
Feels like we haven't beentogether for a really long time.
This felt almost longer than thesummer one.

Kelly (01:14):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah.

Tracey (01:16):
Anything interesting happen over the holidays for you
guys?

Kelly (01:20):
I don't think I had anything interesting as far as
alcohol related.
This was.
Fourth single Christmas and itwas definitely a more peaceful
feeling, happy feeling.
Had a really good, really goodholidays, really relaxing.
And yeah, I would say the threebefore that, I felt pretty sad
to be single, but you know,

Lindsey (01:39):
I can relate to that.
Yeah, I, I feel kind of likethat too because yeah, this is
another single Christmas for meand we all stayed booze free.
Did we all stay booze three?

Kelly (01:51):
Yes.
That's the whole thing.
That's the main thing.
I was not sad and I did notdrink, so

Lindsey (01:55):
Yes.
Yeah.
Me, me too.
Kel Me too.
I was not sad and I did notdrink.
I just loved waking up onChristmas Day without a
hangover.
I loved waking up on New Year'sDay the same way.
And I love how dry January andnow dry February is really being
promoted.

(02:16):
Mm-hmm.
like I'm seeing a lot of adsfor, for that stuff,

Kelly (02:18):
That's great.
Yeah, I've noticed a lot of thattoo.
Mm-hmm.
and I was really excited theother day.
Somebody sent me an an alcoholfree bar that's opening in
Brandon, Manitoba.
So that was pretty exciting.

Tracey (02:31):
Awesome.

Kelly (02:31):
Pop up.
Yeah.
So those things are popping upand Yeah.

Tracey (02:35):
How far is Brandon from you guys?
Kel?

Kelly (02:37):
Two hours.

Lindsey (02:38):
Two hours?
Yeah.

Kelly (02:39):
Okay.
Mm-hmm.
Okay.

Tracey (02:40):
Well you could drive there because you don't drink
drive

Kelly (02:44):
True.
It is not a very exciting drivethrough the prairies.
Yeah.
But you know,

Tracey (02:50):
you could make like a girl's weekend out of bit,
maybe.

Lindsey (02:52):
Yeah.
Mm.
Yeah.

Tracey (02:54):
I stopped in Brandon, Manitoba.
That's where I stayed overnightwhen I drove out to Calgary.
Mm.
That was our first time.
Yeah.
That makes sense.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So what about you, Mike?
Anything exciting happen to you?
You were just talking about howyou went to a 50th birthday
party, so they must have beensome heavy drinking there.

Mike (03:11):
Yeah.
I went to 50th got bought a shotand had to

Kelly (03:17):
throw it over your shoulder,

Tracey (03:18):
decline it.

Mike (03:19):
Oh no.

Lindsey (03:19):
No way.
Birthday.

Tracey (03:21):
Pass it on down the line.

Mike (03:23):
No, the birthday boy ended up drinking three.
Everyone else was drinking too?

Kelly (03:26):
How was that, like, how did you feel when that happened?

Mike (03:29):
Oh, it was fine.
I mean, it's, yeah, I thinkpeople just are used to it now.
I don't have to explain myself,but, and I don't think anybody
should have to explaintheirself.
I went to Myrtle Beach, I wentgolfing, which was interesting
that the last round we played,we played with these two.
Guys, older guys, and the guysaid, oh, you guys are from

(03:49):
Canada.
Do you drink Leba Blue?
And I just kinda looked at him,I said, oh, I don't drink.
And he's like, oh.
And it was kind of like the,what do you mean you, you don't
drink?
Like it was that.
And he was like, yeah, I justdon't drink.
And he is like, oh, cool.
And then he just kind of turnedit off.
But it didn't really change theround because sometimes when you
golf, most of the times guys aredrinking or having a beer or

(04:10):
whatnot.

Tracey (04:11):
How did you find the whole trip, Mike?
Because I think you were alittle concerned about that.

Mike (04:16):
Sorry, can you say that again?

Tracey (04:17):
How did you find the whole trip?
Because I think there was somediscussion before about you
being concerned or talking aboutstaying on your own.

Mike (04:25):
No, that was more or less the company that I went with.
Actually he's my good buddy andI started to reflect, like a lot
of the trips have gone on in thepast, say 12, 15 years.
When I've gone away with him,it's always been drink, drink,
drink.
And this is the first trip thatI've ever gone away with him
where I wasn't drinking and Iwas like, holy shit, I don't

(04:46):
know if I could handle you forthis long.
We had our own kind of areaswhere we kept apart and he
didn't really drink too much andhe didn't do it because I was
there.
He just chose not to do it.
It was, wasn't difficult, but itwas also a definite learning
experience, that's for sure.
And I guess planning better onmm-hmm.
what to do on those thingsbesides golf.

(05:07):
So

Tracey (05:08):
Right.
Well that's good.

Mike (05:09):
Oh, it was fun.
It was fun to get away.
It was fun to get away.

Tracey (05:12):
Oh no, it turned out then.
That's good

Mike (05:14):
for the most part.

Tracey (05:14):
Yeah, my family had an alcohol free Christmas, so that
was awesome.

Kelly (05:19):
Wow.
Oh my god, that's

Lindsey (05:20):
crazy.
Amazing.

Tracey (05:22):
Yeah, we made that alcohol free punch, which was
fun that I posted on our pageand it was neat.

Lindsey (05:28):
Wow.
Looks like it was out of amagazine.

Tracey (05:30):
It was.
Yeah.
It was awesome.
My mom found the recipe and Wow.
We threw it together and mymom's a little Martha Stewart
like that.
So she always makes things lookand taste good.
But it was cool because the kidscould have it too.
Right.
They think it's neat to haveknit, added like a fancy punch
glass and

Lindsey (05:48):
I love that.

Tracey (05:49):
Yeah.
So it was kid friendly too.
But yeah, it was really nice.
Really.

Kelly (05:53):
That's amazing.
Any like comments or anythinglike that from the drinkers that
were there?
The, the fact that it was analcohol free event?

Tracey (06:01):
No.
No, but I've been to quite a fewevents over the holidays.
I went to a couple work eventsand for me, navigating that has
been a little.
new because I'm at a new companytoo, right?
So the previous company I wasat, I was there when I stopped
drinking.
So a lot of people knew I waskind of going through that
transition of making thatdecision for myself.

(06:24):
Mm-hmm.
So now I'm at a new company,everybody's just getting to know
me so the events I've been to,it's the automatic assumption is
that you drink so people areoffering you a drink so I've
been in a lot of scenarios.
Now I'm getting really goodpractice at saying no, I don't
drink.
I wanted to talk to you guysabout and how you navigate this
and maybe it's different for youguys because even prior to not

(06:46):
drinking, I had a certain rulefor this type of interaction
with people I work with.
I don't normally add people Iwork with to my social media.
And this was even prior to notdrinking or having a podcast.
It has nothing to do with that.
I just kind of try to keepbusiness and pleasure separate.
And because I do post a lot ofpersonal stuff on my social

(07:09):
media, I don't necessarily wantpeople I work with always to
know all these personal thingsabout me, depending on what my
relationship is with them.
So I kind of try to keep thosethings separate.
And then normally after I leavea company, or if I've moved on
and I'm friends with people,then I add them after the fact.
So I had it happen to me at mylast organization.
A girl added me on social mediaas I was leaving and she's like,

(07:31):
oh my God, you got a podcast?
I didn't know that.
That's so cool.
You know, blah, blah, blah, typeof thing.
And I was like, yeah, well, Idon't tell people I work with
typically about the podcastbecause to me, again, it's
personal and I'm not ashamed ofit.
I'm actually super proud of it.
It's like one of my most proudaccomplishments.
But it's more the fact that Ithink when you don't know

(07:53):
people, there's always room forjudgment.
Mm.
And in a workplace it's a littlebit different.
So I do find if somebody asksme, I'm always open.
I'm always gonna give them anopen, honest answer.
I've had people ask me why Idon't drink and I'll say, oh, I
stopped drinking two years ago.
I used to drink blah, blah,blah.
But I find it a little moredifficult to navigate in a work

(08:14):
setting.
So just recently I've becomepretty friendly with one of my
employees and we've built apretty good relationship.
So she went to add on Instagram.
And again, nobody I work withright now knows I have a
podcast.
I mean, it's not a secret.
They could Google me at any timeand they're going to see I have
a podcast cuz that's one of thefirst things that pop up.

(08:37):
But at the same time, it's justnot something I've openly talked
to anybody about there.
So I didn't have a problemadding this particular person
because I trust them and I'mbuilding a friendship with them.
But I wanted to kind ofpreemptively tell them I do have
a podcast and this is a bitabout me.
And instead of them just addingto my social media and going, oh

(09:01):
whoa, like look at this type ofthing.
So I'm just curious if you guyshave been under that situation
and how you would deal.

Kelly (09:10):
Well, all of my social media is completely public.

Lindsey (09:14):
Me too, too.

Tracey (09:15):
Okay.
Right.

Kelly (09:16):
So I don't even have to approve a follower on, that's
me.
Instagram's.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So yeah, trace, I don't, and Ihaven't been in any sort of like
corporate job for almost 20years,

Tracey (09:26):
right.

Kelly (09:27):
Self-employed and social selling.
So I kind of made the decisionto put everything out there.
The only boundary I have, Iwould say is my kids, if my kids
don't want me to post pic apicture of them, then I don't.
I was pretty conscious of thatwhen they were little and stuff
like that.
But yeah, I don't know.
I think I just have the mindsetof.

(09:48):
I decided to make all of thiscompletely public.
You never know who you're gonnareach, and maybe somebody would
be too shy to add me as afriend, but then at least they
can see everything on there,like where to find the podcast
and all that stuff.

Lindsey (10:02):
So, yeah, I don't know.

Tracey (10:04):
Yeah, that's true.
I didn't think about that.
Yeah.
See, my profiles are not public.
Mm-hmm.
and I've always kept themprivate for Maddie's sake.
Right.
Yeah.
Especially when she was younger.
I do make sure that I'm kind ofstrict about who I add on there
and not

Kelly (10:19):
mm-hmm.

Tracey (10:19):
for that reason.
I'm just more protective of her.
I told this girl flat out, I'mnot embarrassed of this.
Mm-hmm.
It's something I'm actuallyreally proud of, but I just want
you to know, because it's notpublic knowledge here, so,
mm-hmm.
I'm telling you.
Because I want you to understandwhere I'm coming from before you
just see it on social media.

(10:41):
And just to tell her too, that Iwouldn't just add anybody on
social media, cuz I wouldn't, Iwouldn't just add any of my
employees, but I've establisheda relationship with her, so I'm
comfortable with that.
Mm-hmm.
So I felt it important to havethe conversation for that reason
too, so she understands that Ihave added you, but I'm not
gonna go round adding everybodyelse we know here type of thing.

Lindsey (11:03):
Mm-hmm.

Kelly (11:04):
Yeah.
Interesting.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's really interesting.

Lindsey (11:07):
I don't even think about it.
I just share the crap out of ourpodcast on my stories and on my
Instagram.
And like Kelly said, my accountsare open and they're public, so
anybody like coworkers, and I'mfriends with a lot of my
coworkers on social media, sopeople can openly see that we

(11:30):
have this podcast and I'malcohol free, sometimes I get
questions, I get mm-hmm.
I've had questions fromcoworkers about like, Hey, like,
why don't you drink?
And I've actually had groupconversations, we'll kind of,
you know, catch up with eachother, with coffee, on a Monday
morning and the topic will comeup.

(11:51):
And I'm really proud about it.
I think if somebody has an issuewith it, they can unfollow me.
I am just super open andtransparent with who I am, and
it's part of who I am.
So yeah.
I'm like, this is me, and if youdon't like it, then don't follow
me.

Tracey (12:08):
Yeah.
I'm not so much worried aboutthat.
It's more so I guess the factthat I think being new, being in
a position of leadership mm-hmm.
because I have a highermanagement role mm-hmm.
in my organization mm-hmm.
That it's just more so there'sother things that go with that,
that are a challenge as it isThere's caution around the fact

(12:30):
that people could use thatagainst you, I guess.

Kelly (12:33):
Yes.

Tracey (12:33):
Is somewhat of a concern.

Kelly (12:35):
Mm-hmm.
well, yes.
So I've been in a managementposition.
Almost my whole career, and I'vedefinitely lost followers and
people don't wanna see some ofthe things that I post, but
that's the choice, that's thechoice that I've made.
But I also can't be fired frommy job.
So Yeah.
I have I have no, I don't have aboss.
Boss.
Yeah.

(12:55):
I, I don't have boss.
I don't,

Lindsey (12:57):
I don't think you can be fired for having a podcast
about being alcohol free.
No.
Like, even if upper managementor your supervisor found out
about it, there's Yeah.
There's no mm-hmm.
that's a whole HR issue initself.

Tracey (13:10):
Yeah.

Lindsey (13:10):
You know what I mean?

Tracey (13:11):
Yeah.

Lindsey (13:11):
Like, no way.
What would be the negativesabout it?
What are you worried about thatthe staff member or this
employee of yours?
Like, what's,

Tracey (13:20):
I'm not worried about that employee Yeah.
At all.
I'm just saying Oh, good.
Just there's some people don'tall have good intentions.
Mm-hmm.
and there's some people that aresuper nosy that are gonna dig
into everything.
And then if that person is onthe wrong side of something one
day, you don't know how they'regonna utilize that information.
Right.

Lindsey (13:40):
Mm-hmm.

Tracey (13:41):
I mean, I think it's part of the position I'm in too.
You're already in a vulnerableposition to be judged and to be
held to a certain regard.

Lindsey (13:50):
Mm-hmm.
I would think you would be heldin a higher regard.
I don't know, like

Kelly (13:55):
Absolutely.

Lindsey (13:56):
This is a lifestyle that Like if you were posting on
Facebook about, and I see peopledo this about all the drinking
that you're doing and all thedrugs that you're doing, like
that would be like, Ooh, I don'twant my staff on here.
I've seen, coworkers postingtheir weekend pictures and I'm
like, I don't think that's agreat idea.
Thought about that.

(14:16):
But living alcohol free andbeing on your wellness journey,
I think that's inspiring.

Tracey (14:23):
Yeah.

Kelly (14:23):
All your stuff is inspiring, Tracey,

Lindsey (14:25):
all of it.

Kelly (14:26):
Your food stuff, like everything that you

Lindsey (14:28):
Yeah,

Tracey (14:29):
yeah.

Kelly (14:29):
I don't you guys see how anybody could find anything
negative in that?

Lindsey (14:33):
No,

Tracey (14:33):
it's, yeah.
No, and again, I don't feel thatway.
Just, there has been hesitationjust for the fact.
Unfortunately, I don't thinkeverybody is made equal or sees
things the same way.

Kelly (14:48):
No.

Tracey (14:49):
And I've already had

Lindsey (14:50):
Very true.

Tracey (14:51):
You know,

Kelly (14:51):
Okay, this is the way I see this.
So you're gonna put somethingout there like a creative
project, a work project.
As long as you are in line withyour own integrity, that's all
that matters.

Lindsey (15:05):
Oh, that's so good.

Kelly (15:07):
What other people perceive that to be is up to
them.
And you have zero control overany of that.
So, making the decision to putanything out in the world is you
take the risk of being judged.
Judged right there.
There's always a risk of beingjudged.
The only way to avoid that is tostay in a safe little bubble and

(15:28):
not put anything out into theworld.
Mm-hmm.
And that seems kind of boring tome.

Lindsey (15:32):
I love the way you put that.
You just worded that soperfectly.
So good.
Kelly?

Tracey (15:37):
Yeah, that was good.
Thanks.
Kelly's.

Kelly (15:39):
Yeah, I struggled with that though.
I struggled with social mediawith my business because one of
the big things for me was Ididn't wanna come across as
somebody who's bragging becausemm-hmm.
lifestyle posts are important ina business like I am in things
like that, but it, it's alwaysfear of judgment.
Yes.
It always goes back to fear ofjudgment.
Absolutely.
And guess what?
People judge no matter what,anyway, a lot of your friends

(16:03):
that you've already let in andlet them see that they're
judging you anyway.

Tracey (16:07):
True.

Kelly (16:07):
Sorry.

Tracey (16:08):
You're right.
You're right.
you're very right.
Well, thank you for that tidbit.
See, I just had to talk it out.

Lindsey (16:15):
Yeah, I know.
And I think too, in a businesslike social selling, if you're
gonna lose customers becauseyou're posting about being
alcohol free, so be it likemm-hmm.
you've gotta align with who youare.
And just like you said, stickwith integrity.
Mm-hmm.
like mm-hmm.
and your people will find youand they'll support you.

(16:35):
And the ones that don't, aren'tyour people anyways,

Tracey (16:38):
right.

Lindsey (16:38):
So

Kelly (16:39):
true.
Very true.
There's a saying, and it's you,you can't make everybody happy.
You're not ice cream

Lindsey (16:45):
or pizza.
Mm-hmm.

Kelly (16:46):
or pizza?

Tracey (16:50):
All right.
Oh, Mike, you got any input onthat?
I see you holding your mic.
The non-social media.
I see Mike holding your mic.

Mike (17:00):
Fuck'em all.
Yeah.
that's me.
That's just who I am.

Tracey (17:06):
Plain and simple.
Hey, Mike.

Mike (17:08):
Yeah.
Well, I got off social media'sfor a number of reasons and
mm-hmm.
I have to have somebody dosocial media for my businesses,
but, so I'd be a liar to say ifI don't see it, but it's all
business, not personal, so.

Tracey (17:26):
Right.

Mike (17:26):
I think probably in the beginning I was still on
Facebook mm-hmm.
for a little while, and I just,I wouldn't go on there.
See men are different.
So at least in my opinion, Iwouldn't go on there and
announce my sobriety or anythinglike that for probably that
exact reason.
And then you get labeled as, oh,you pussy, oh, this and all

(17:48):
that.
Like men are brutal and mm-hmmthey're still brutal.
But I know how to take it with agrain of salt to this day and
just water up a duck's back.
But that's mostly in-personengagement, not right.
Remember social media, it's per,it's permanent really.
Right?
Like if somebody says something,you can't really erase it, so.
Mm-hmm.
like Lindsay and Kelly hit on, Idon't think that it should be

(18:12):
any bearing on how you live yourlife work wise, cuz I don't
think it has any bearing on whatyou do.
They have a strict policy of youmust be a drinker to work here.

Kelly (18:23):
We don't like you.

Mike (18:24):
Yeah.
You're not adhering to it.
Cause we do great benders on theweekends and well yeah, you're
entitled to your privacy.
I think that's also a part ofit, so, hey.

Tracey (18:33):
Yeah, that's definitely a part of it.
I think in general, like I said,this isn't like a hard, fast
rule I had just since I've beenalcohol free or, or having the
podcast.

Kelly (18:43):
Right.

Tracey (18:43):
This was a rule I always had in place for myself even
prior.
Yeah.
And,

Mike (18:47):
So the interesting thing for me is, is like, kind of a
little bit hitting on that isthat I'd never post anything.
So when I met with, oh, hey, Iheard your podcast and I was
kind of like, what?
What?
Oh.
Mm-hmm.
like, and I have to think, ohwell y must have posted
something.
And that mutual friend saw it.
In fact, I was at another 50thparty.

(19:08):
There was two actually.
Another, I think about it, itwas back to back.
It was Friday and Saturday, andthen one on Saturday.
A buddy of mine's like, yeah,I've downloaded your podcast.
And I was like, what?

Kelly (19:17):
Amazing.

Mike (19:18):
Yeah.
And he is like, yeah, I'velistened to it.
I listened to your episode.
And I was like, I never in amillion years would've thought
that.
I was like, ah, cool.
What did you think?
He goes, it's good.
But I think too, people arenice.
Some people are just nice andwho knows, but,

Kelly (19:31):
and who knows?
That's the thing, right?
It's out there.
And I think the whole point ofthis podcast and posting and
whatever we do with our alcoholfree lifestyle, it's to, to live
our truth and

Tracey (19:45):
Yeah.
Absolutely.

Kelly (19:45):
What have we learned?
My word of the year for 2023 istruth, because I see how much.
Through our guests and throughmy own journey how much not
living your truth holds youback.
And when you live out loud, youlive your truth.
You subconsciously liberateother people to live their own

(20:06):
truth.

Tracey (20:07):
Absolutely.
Yeah.
And that's what I said to mycoworker is I said, I'm super
proud of what we've done becauseI know we've reached people and
we've helped people

Kelly (20:19):
for sure.
And you never know who'slistening.

Tracey (20:22):
Yeah, yeah.
No, a hundred percent.
Yeah.

Mike (20:25):
Listening your world, I guess.
Right?
That's

Kelly (20:26):
what's that

Mike (20:27):
like, who's listening in your world and you guys

Kelly (20:29):
who's listening.
I know.
It's so, I love those momentsthough, and I was telling you
guys before we hit record that.
My chiropractor.
So shout out to Dr.
Sam.
He listens to all our episodesand it's just like, yeah.
And it's, it just makes me feelso grateful and it's still
shocking to me.
like Mike said, it's like,really?

(20:50):
You do.
So yeah.
The more we put ourselves outthere, the more people that are
listening and, you know, thatperson may not be struggling
with alcohol themselves, butmaybe they have a friend and
then they can say, Hey, listento this podcast.
You know, like the more it's outthere, the more we could
possibly help people.

Mike (21:09):
Yeah.

Tracey (21:09):
That just happened to me.
Actually, a friend of ours, youknow, too, Kel from high school.
Mm-hmm.
just reached out to me abouther.
because her cousin must haverecently went, I'll call free.
She had put a post on Facebookand so she told her about the
podcast and is trying to connectus and

Kelly (21:27):
mm-hmm.

Tracey (21:28):
said maybe she wants to come on and be a guest at some
point and tell her story.
But yeah, that was a friend ofours reaching out on behalf of
their family.
Right.

Kelly (21:37):
That's awesome.
Really good.

Tracey (21:38):
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah,

Kelly (21:39):
yeah.
Yeah.
So what else is going on outthere?
Lindsay?
Lindsay's gonna test.

Lindsey (21:44):
Yeah.
Oh my gosh.
I don't really have any storiesabout Christmas.
I mean, I had an alcohol-freeChristmas.
Everybody knows that I amalcohol free.

Tracey (21:53):
So how was your christmas Eve?

Lindsey (21:56):
It was great.
Yeah, it was alcohol free.
My mom's like, yeah,

Tracey (22:01):
everybody was well behaved over there.

Lindsey (22:03):
Everybody was so well behaved and everybody left.
I mean, we were all, I thinkdone by nine

Mike (22:10):
Oh for Santa You home in time for Santa

Lindsey (22:13):
for sure.
And yeah, lots less drinking atmy mom's than there used to be.
That's for sure.
And it's a really positive thingbecause now my sisters have
kids, so they're there andthey're like seven and under and
they're super excited forChristmas and I just can't
imagine being wasted aroundthem.

(22:35):
Cuz Christmas is really just,oh, I mean, a lot of people just
use it as an excuse to bingedrink, get wasted.
Totally.
And I'm like, it's not no, stopdoing that.
But for me, it's the datingthing, right?
Meeting people.
I always get the question insome form or another, the, why
don't you drink?

Mike (22:53):
Do you think it's a fair question.
Sorry.
Do you think that's a fairquestion.

Lindsey (22:56):
I'm not offended by it.

Mike (22:58):
Yeah, that's good.

Lindsey (22:59):
But I guess it could ask the other person, why do you
drink?
You know what I mean?

Mike (23:02):
I mean do you think that if a guy's asking you, why don't
you drink?
Do you think it's more relatedto.
did you have a problem?

Kelly (23:09):
Right,

Lindsey (23:10):
yes.
Happened.
That's exactly what they'retrying to get at.
I think people are too afraid tobe like, so were you an
alcoholic?
That's what people wanna knowwhen they ask you, so why don't
you drink?
They wanna know the rock bottom.
Yeah.

Kelly (23:23):
Which is fair.
That's fair enough.

Lindsey (23:25):
I mean, that's fair.

Mike (23:26):
Cause if you're gonna get into a relationship with
somebody long term, you don'twant it to come out three years
later.
Oh by the way, I'm recovering,alcohol,

Lindsey (23:32):
alcoholic Yeah.

Kelly (23:33):
When do you tell people this, Lindsay, when does it come
up and like, well, you're, oh.
Chatting or, or when you meetthem

Lindsey (23:39):
be No, because it's, it's gonna be chatting because
they're like, let's go fordrinks.
Right.
That's what they, that's whateverybody defaults to.
Can I take you out for a drink?
And my answer is, well no,because I don't drink.
How about a coffee?
In the chatting stage, somebodymight be like, oh, you don't
drink question mark.
And I'm like, yeah, it justdoesn't align with my lifestyle.

(24:00):
And I sort of feel the need tobe like, I wasn't a physically
dependent alcoholic, if that'swhat you need to know.
But I usually don't say that I'mjust like, it really doesn't
align with my lifestyle.
I haven't had a drink in threeyears and I'm not gonna change
for anybody.
And I feel like a lot of peopleare looking for a drinking buddy

(24:22):
when they are selecting somebodyto date.
My recent experience withsomebody was So this person that
I went out with a couple times,really liked whiskey and I was
like, that's cool.
I'm not bothered by it.
I don't care if you're adrinker.
I don't care if you drink aroundme.
It doesn't trigger me.
It is what it is.
We went out on a date we went tothis show and maybe we were at

(24:45):
this place for two hours and hehad six whiskey drinks and I had
to drive his his truck,

Kelly (24:50):
red flag back, red flag,

Lindsey (24:52):
right?
and he kind of looked at me andwas like, can you, are you gonna
drive?
First of all I'm thinking, whatI'm thinking to myself is wait,
trying to present,

Kelly (25:00):
did he pick you up for this date?
Like did he

Lindsey (25:02):
No.
No he did not.
Okay.
Right.
Red flag, first of all, that's ared flag, right?
So anyways Yeah, I had to drivehis vehicle back.
I actually had to drop hisfriends off as well in the
vehicle because he picked themup you know what I mean?
I'm just,

Kelly (25:20):
I'd be like, see you later.
Oh my gosh, there's my car.
Bye.

Lindsey (25:24):
Yeah, I would've been like I'm gonna just take a cab
back to wherever my car is andI'll see you later.
But yeah, so ultimately wedidn't end up continuing on we
chatted for a bit after that,but that was our last date.
And when I think about it, I waslike, I wasn't even sad because
there was a lot of stuff therethat when I look back I'm like,

(25:45):
oh, okay, well he, here's a fullwhiskey bar in his place, which
is fine.
But I just think he reallywanted a partner that was a
drinker.
And sometimes my.
I guess insecurities will creepup and I'll be like, oh, that's
why I'm single because I don'tdrink.
Or it's gonna be more difficultfor me to find a partner because

(26:08):
I don't drink, but mm-hmm.
there are people that I connectwith.
It's not a match, but they'relike, that's admirable that you
don't Yeah.

Kelly (26:16):
Yeah, for sure.
No.

Tracey (26:17):
Yeah.
I think a lot of people ask youwhy you don't drink because
they're astonished at the factthat people actually choose not
to drink these days.
Right.
Right.
I think they're just curious,like, oh my gosh, you don't
drink.
How did you do that kind ofthing?
Mm-hmm.
because they don't think it'spossible.

Kelly (26:34):
Yeah.

Tracey (26:34):
I had a person reach out to me over the holidays after I
posted my two year anniversarymm-hmm.
and they said, oh my God, youhaven't drank for two years.
They were actually sober for acouple years cuz they had a
couple young kids and stoppeddrinking.
But then I guess as their kidsgot older, they got back into
drinking and yeah.
That was kind of their reaction.

(26:55):
Oh my God, you're not drinking.
I can't imagine my life withoutdrinking right now.

Lindsey (27:00):
Right.

Tracey (27:00):
So I think a lot of people ask for that reason.

Lindsey (27:03):
Mm-hmm.
Too mm-hmm.

Tracey (27:04):
I love your, I love that.

Kelly (27:06):
I like hear, I love, yeah.
I love that answer.
But I, I make it pretty clearand not right away, but like, if
they ask, what about mydrinking?
I don't think I could say, Idon't care if you drink or not.
I'm not triggered.
I would say, It depends whatyour relationship is with
alcohol.

Lindsey (27:24):
Well, that's true.

Kelly (27:25):
Definitely's more.

Lindsey (27:25):
I definitely don't want somebody who abuses it.
Right.
Who hinges and blacks out and isabusive and turns into a
completely different personthat.
To me, I will not tolerate that.
Yeah.
Well, and I said to you, I, I'vebeen that person, so

Kelly (27:39):
Oh yeah.
No judgment to people who drink.
No.
And people who want drinkingbuddies.
Not at all.
But I said to Lynn's last night,I said, it's good that you
figured it out on.
Second date.
Yes.
Cause I was with somebody forfour months, he was a boyfriend
and Right.

Lindsey (27:53):
I remember that

Kelly (27:54):
He either wasn't honest with his drinking or he thought,
oh, maybe I can change.

Tracey (28:01):
Right.

Kelly (28:01):
Because it didn't come up.
But, in the end, that's thereason why we broke up cuz he
wanted a drinking buddy, mm-hmm.
and, I mean, there's otherreasons it wouldn't have
continued, but

Lindsey (28:10):
for sure.

Kelly (28:11):
He just really missed drinking and we would go, away
for a weekend and he would gohome, like, drop me off on
Sunday night and go home anddrink his face off cuz he missed
it.
So it's like

Lindsey (28:23):
And he moderated around you?
Probably.

Kelly (28:25):
He did drink around me, but not a lot.
Not a lot would like one or twodrinks, strong drinks

Lindsey (28:30):
and he wasn't being his true self, I guess.
Yeah, that's right.
Right, exactly.

Tracey (28:34):
That's what I was gonna say.
Yeah.
Yeah.

Kelly (28:36):
Maybe one day he will give up alcohol.
Maybe he won't, it doesn't, itdoesn't matter now.
That was a long time ago, but,um mm-hmm.
Yeah.
And that was sad when it ended,cuz we had spent four months
together.
So finding out on the seconddate is like, way better.

Lindsey (28:50):
Yeah, way better.

Tracey (28:51):
Yeah.

Kelly (28:51):
But no, Lindsay, when you said you have that insecurity,
like I've met so many people outthere that don't drink.

Lindsey (28:58):
I do.
Sometimes I do.
Sometimes that creeps into theback of my head and I'm like,
no, no.
Don't, don't like, that's not athing.
But it's just such a commonpractice.
It's such a common dating thing,sharing drinks with somebody,
sharing wine, and I feel like itcan put people off, but I, at

(29:19):
this point, I'm so strong andaligned with who I am that I
don't care.
And if those people good judgeme or don't want to be with me
because I am living an alcoholfree life.
Good.
Like, good.

Tracey (29:33):
They're not your person anyway.
They're not my person.
No.
Which, you know that deep downinside for sure.
Even when those insecuritiescreep in, you know that for
sure.
Your worth is more than that.

Lindsey (29:44):
Oh yeah.

Kelly (29:45):
Yeah.
You're not, you're not gonnahave to sacrifice that, Lindsay.

Lindsey (29:48):
Yeah, I know.
Exactly.
I know.
You're sure.
Yeah.

Mike (29:50):
Hey, Lindsay, do you actively search for
non-drinkers?

Lindsey (29:53):
No.

Mike (29:54):
No.
There's no way to do that.
Or,

Lindsey (29:56):
I guess, you know what?
I think maybe on some onlinedating apps, you probably could
filter.
Mm-hmm.
That, but if, you can seepeople's classification, for
alcohol and drugs, some apps, itwill give you the ability to
mark if, you know, never drinkright in moderation or like all

(30:17):
the time.
And also too, if somebody isholding a bottle of whiskey in
their profile picture, yes,swipe left.
Yeah.
If, if it actually actually saysin your red flag, if it says in
your profile that you enjoydrinking every week.
I don't know.
Some people, the way they wordit, I'm like, oh, so you drink a

(30:37):
lot?
I'm just, I don't even swipeleft.
Yeah.

Kelly (30:40):
Yeah.
If you can see that it's a bigpart of their life.
Yeah.
Either by what they write ortheir pictures, then you know
you're not gonna be a match.
And again, no judgment, I wasthere.
No judgment.
My god.

Lindsey (30:49):
Yeah.
No judgment until I was 43.
But like if you've got yourshirt off in a picture and
you're a sweaty mess and you'redrinking out of the bottle, I'm
not gonna, you know, you know,match with you but I have
mindset to none.
On under alcohol.
Yeah, me too.
So, and it's funny because thesepeople can see that.
And yet they still,

Kelly (31:10):
they don't look at your, don't your, they don't see your
picture and they're like, oh mygosh, she's a gorgeous woman.
I don't care what any of that.
She's not,

Tracey (31:18):
they're not looking at your drinking stats.

Lindsey (31:21):
No.
Yeah, for sure.
Yeah.

Tracey (31:23):
Looking at some other stats there.
Yeah.

Lindsey (31:27):
looking at some other goods, right.
Yeah.

Mike (31:30):
Do you mention anything about it in your profile?
Like saying No.
What I mean by that saying isI'm not looking for a guy with a
whiskey bar per se, or somethingalong those lines, but I don't,

Lindsey (31:40):
maybe I should, should I add that?
What do you guys say?

Kelly (31:44):
I think I have had that once I put something like, I
don't drink alcohol and I don'tmind if you do, but if that's
important to you, then we won'tbe a match or something like
that.
Mm-hmm.
Ooh, that's like nothing tooheavy, just kinda, yeah, there's
a fact.
Yeah.

Lindsey (31:59):
Yeah.
No, I don't have anything in myprofile.
I usually.
Don't.
But I will be honest.

Mike (32:06):
Write it for you and then you write Kelly.

Lindsey (32:07):
Yeah.
Okay.

Kelly (32:11):
I'm not on anything right now in like

Lindsey (32:14):
the alcohol category.
And it's funny though, like thata dating app will have that, an
alcohol category.
Do you drink?

Tracey (32:21):
Well, good thing though, because it's, otherwise you
could be completely blindsided.
Right.

Lindsey (32:27):
But people also can lie, you know?
Well, it's true.
It's just like you can writeanything you want there.
Sure.

Tracey (32:33):
For sure.

Kelly (32:34):
Like the part, the part where it says, do you want a
relationship?

Lindsey (32:37):
Yes.
That part, the part where itsays you're at five.

Tracey (32:41):
Yes, I do.

Lindsey (32:42):
Five 11.

Tracey (32:42):
No, no.

Kelly (32:43):
You're, oh my God.
You meet Lindsay.

Lindsey (32:45):
Tell about like, I'm like, I forgot about that five
11.
I'm five two and I I don't thinkthat you are five 11.

Kelly (32:54):
Is she mad somebody in person?
That was five eight and he saidfive 11 on the app.

Mike (32:58):
Oh, really?

Tracey (32:58):
That's a lot of guys though.
God, I met so many.

Mike (33:02):
I mean, that's a lot.
Wow.

Tracey (33:06):
God guys lie about their height all the time.

Lindsey (33:09):
Wow.
But you know what, it's the sameguys that bitch about women
using filters.
That's a whole thing too.
I'm like, really?
You're not five 11.
So, but that's the thing.
It's like dating brings up allthese insecurities or something.
And it's not just in women, it'sin men too.
Yeah.
But I'm like, oh, like why areyou gonna, why?
If you're.

(33:29):
Starting out and your profilehas a bunch of lies in it.
I don't know, do you believeyou're five 11 or is that like,
what are you doing?
Just be honest, I don't know.

Kelly (33:41):
We always go back to dating

Tracey (33:42):
talk Yeah.
Well now we're gonna get moreserious because there was some
things happening over theholidays.
More recently they had the newdrinking guidelines.

Lindsey (33:54):
Yes.

Kelly (33:55):
Who, who's they?
Who's they?

Lindsey (33:58):
World health Organization.

Mike (33:59):
What is it?
Tell I don't know anything aboutthis.
So please.

Lindsey (34:02):
It says this, it was released I can't remember,
January, 2023.
So in January.

Tracey (34:09):
It says no amount of alcohol is safe.

Kelly (34:12):
Correct.

Tracey (34:13):
It's anything more than two drinks a week is considered
a risk.
They have done research over thelast decade because the last
guidelines that were updated was2011.

Lindsey (34:25):
Correct.

Tracey (34:25):
And in the research that they've done, what they've
discovered is one that alcoholis carcinogen.

Lindsey (34:34):
Yeah.

Tracey (34:34):
Carcinogen,

Kelly (34:35):
A group, a carcinogen, which is the same as asbestos,
radiation, or tobacco radiation.
Mm-hmm.

Tracey (34:43):
So it causes seven types of cancer.

Lindsey (34:47):
Mm-hmm.

Tracey (34:48):
The two leading types are breast and colon, which I
know Lindsay has spoken about.
The breast cancer related towine.
On average there's 7,000 cancerdeaths a year.
Related to alcohol and the riskis higher with every additional
drink you drink a week,basically, and they're trying to
create warning signs or theywant warning signs and labels on

(35:11):
bottles and cans like they dowith cigarettes.
Who should be, and of coursethey're getting major pushback
from the, of course they arealcohol providers.

Kelly (35:18):
It's coming.
It's coming.
I feel it.
I think we're gonna have them.

Lindsey (35:21):
Well listen to this.
Half of all alcohol attributablecancers in the World Health
Organization in the Europeanregion are caused by light to
moderate alcohol consumption,half of all alcohol related
cancers.
So the light and moderatedrinking pattern is responsible

(35:41):
for the majority of alcoholattributable breast cancer in
women.
We're not talking heavy bingedrinking.
We're talking like a few drinksa week.
Like yeah.
this is the truth.
This is all backed by research.
So I think way to go, way to go.
And people need to know thetruth.

Tracey (36:01):
It's very exciting that this is being put out there in
the media now after it being soglamorized, as we've talked
about many and times and theywere talking about too, how, the
fact that wine has been toted ashaving health benefits is just,
basically

Kelly (36:17):
bullshit.

Tracey (36:17):
Fake news

Lindsey (36:18):
Well, here's what I heard here.
Before we move on, I just wannasay this because I read this and
it just popped in my head as yousaid, your last statement there,
Tracey.
So let me get this correct.
saying that wine is healthy foryou because it contains
resveratrol is like sayingpoisoned soup is helping for you

(36:38):
because it has broccoli in it.
Yeah.
Right, right.

Tracey (36:44):
Very good point.
Good analogy.

Lindsey (36:47):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
So I don't think you would eatpoison soup with broccoli and be
like, well it's totally healthyfor you cuz you're getting a
serving of veggies.

Kelly (36:56):
Mm-hmm.

Tracey (36:58):
Well we have talked about this and I had mentioned,
the fact that once you learnthis stuff you can't unlearn it.
I think all of us have probablyreally educated ourselves on.
Effects of alcohol since we quitdrinking.
I know, I have.
And for me, I just said this acouple weeks ago, that if there

(37:19):
was no other reason why Iwouldn't drink again, it would
be because I'm educated now onwhat it's actually doing to my
body.

Kelly (37:26):
Right.

Tracey (37:27):
That is enough for me to never wanna do it again because
I care about my health.
I like my brain and how itoperates, and I don't wanna
deteriorate it by having drinks.
Mm-hmm.
So one thing that I've mentionedprobably before is I listened to
the Huberman Lab, the Hubermanpodcast, and he has a great

(37:48):
episode that's, Directly relatedto how alcohol affects your body
and your mind.
So I highly recommend that ifthis wasn't enough information
for people out there.
But what really shocked me aboutthis was that, a friend of mine
actually posted this on theirFacebook, which I was really
happy to see because this friendis in particularly someone that,

(38:08):
totes alcohol free or anything.
And I know they used to drinkand maybe they're not drinking
as much anymore, but they put iton their Facebook page and said,
just note to friends to.
Read and educate yourself and,and drink with caution
basically.
And a whole debate ended uphappening on their page about
it.

Kelly (38:27):
Do people get triggered cuz they don't wanna give it up?

Tracey (38:30):
Yeah.
But then too a woman posted it.
I'm on a community page in mycommunity, and it's a woman's
specific.
And a woman posted on thecommunity page asking people
what they thought about this.
And so many people were just,basically their attitude was
like, I don't care.
Life's short if I wanna drinkand that's what makes me feel

(38:52):
good and blah, blah, blah.
And if that's my one treat a dayis a glass or a bottle of wine,
then that's what I'm gonna do.
And I was just like, wow.

Kelly (39:02):
so do you think that's how they really feel?
Or do you think that change isjust feeling too hard for them?

Tracey (39:07):
I honestly, I think that people just completely almost
ignore it.
They're not taking it, itseriously.
Right.

Kelly (39:15):
I knew this, I knew that it caused cancer.
I knew how bad it was for me.
It had caused my gout and Istill wasn't ready to give it
up.
So I get it.
I get where they're coming from.
But what I just say about truth,that I knew the truth and it was
eating away at me because I'vealways, tried to live a healthy

(39:36):
lifestyle and take care of mybody and I knew I was destroying
it deep down, but I would makecomments like that for sure.
While I was drinking.

Lindsey (39:44):
It would piss me off before I quit drinking.
I would just get so triggered, Iwould almost feel like, oh, do
you think you're better than me?
Mm-hmm.
or.
Just, I would have that samelife as short mentality.
But if you logically think aboutit, if you're saying life is
short, you're consuming asubstance that's gonna make it

(40:05):
even shorter.

Kelly (40:06):
Yeah.
And if you have kids and youhave like things you wanna do in
your life,

Lindsey (40:11):
it doesn't make sense, like at all.
And I think change is reallydifficult.

Kelly (40:21):
Especially if it's a coping mechanism and they don't
know any other copingmechanisms.
Mm-hmm.

Lindsey (40:25):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
And it's their source of numbingout.
Mm-hmm.
And, people associate it withbeing fun, but it just doesn't
make sense.
We always use the Yolo.
Or the life is

Kelly (40:39):
short.
My kids say that.
Nobody says that anymore.

Lindsey (40:42):
We are cool.
Okay, Kelly But we use thoseterms to justify that how I do
and bad behaviors.
Like, oh, yolo, I'm gonna gospend the money I don't have.
Life is short.
I'm gonna have the cigarettes.
Life is short.
I'm gonna drink the, the, thealcohol on a weeknight and have

(41:03):
17 mimosas at brunch.
Mm-hmm But when you think aboutit, how are you functioning?
It's causing you stress andanxiety in the future.
You might be yolo ing now, buttomorrow you're gonna, you're
gonna be like, what the hell didI do?

Kelly (41:19):
with the hangover and everything.
I know I was that person.
I know, and maybe not every persingle person that's abusing
alcohol feels this way, but I.
Know what it's like to be that.
Like, oh, you only live once.
I'm just gonna freaking get, I'mgonna get another bottle of wine
open here.
Yeah.
And in the moment it's a, it'slike this persona and this fun

(41:42):
thing, but yeah.
Day to day that truth ate awayat me until I couldn't freaking
stand myself anymore.

Tracey (41:51):
Well, I mean, I don't know, maybe they just haven't
had that experience, or theyhaven't talked to that point
yet.

Kelly (41:56):
Right.
But it's in there.
They have the information now.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So now carry on with your lifeand make those choices when deep
down, you know, this could becausing severe problems for your
future.
I didn't hear what you saidthere, Mike.
What was,

Mike (42:11):
What did I.
I don't, I

Kelly (42:12):
don't worry.
Sorry.
I was on a rant.

Lindsey (42:15):
We're ranty today.
I am.

Kelly (42:17):
Well ranty.
This stuff fires me up.
But I always try and take a stepback and remember wait, that was
me.
That was me.

Lindsey (42:24):
Yeah, that was me too.
So,

Kelly (42:25):
yeah.

Mike (42:26):
Oh, I know what I said.
It was.
They're not there yet,

Kelly (42:29):
right?
Yeah.
But it's in there.
The seed is planted.

Mike (42:32):
The voice, the voice, the little,

Kelly (42:34):
the voice, the intuition, the voice, the truth, the
knowing, whatever you wanna callit.
It's always, and it all getlouder and louder and louder.

Tracey (42:43):
Like I said, and my post when I posted it on our page
there was that, once you learnthis information and you've
been, alcohol free, you wannashare it with people.
Mm-hmm.
but you also feel that urge tohold back because you don't want
to seem like you're judging.
Right.
Like, or that you're trying topreach either.

(43:03):
Yeah.
Yeah.
But it's like you have thisknowledge and you just wanna
shout it to the rooftops,

Kelly (43:08):
mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.

Tracey (43:10):
Because you want everybody to know, and also to
realize that when you get on theother side of it, how great it
is,

Kelly (43:18):
it's amazing.

Tracey (43:18):
And how great you feel.
Yeah.
Because people when they're nothaving that experience and
they're stuck in the rut of it.
Numbing yourself to everythingputs you in a state of denial as
well.
And maybe that's what's going onwith some of these people.

Kelly (43:31):
Yeah.

Tracey (43:32):
another thing I think is interesting is that I saw a clip
on one of the sober socialmedias I follow, and it was a
clip of Jamie Lee Curtis, Ithink Lindsay's shaking her head
because she probably saw thisclip, but she had a history in
her family of alcoholism, andshe was saying how she stopped
the cycle and that that will beher legacy.

(43:55):
Mm-hmm.
And that's how I feel gave, Itotally resonated with that.
Me too.
Because if that's my legacy, I'mokay with that.

Kelly (44:02):
Yeah.

Tracey (44:03):
Because that's how I feel.
My, alcohol free journey kind ofturned into, me stopping that
cycle within my own family.
And I think people just evenjust ask themselves what did
they want their legacy or theirlife to be.

Kelly (44:16):
Just the fact that you guys had your alcohol free
Christmas Trace when we knowthat your, you know, you've
shared lots of your familyhistory on the podcast here.
Like, that just makes me wannacry,

Tracey (44:26):
mm-hmm.

Kelly (44:26):
it makes me so happy for you guys.

Tracey (44:28):
Yeah.
Yeah, it's amazing.
That's why you get so passionateabout it, just like you are
right now, Kel.
Mm-hmm.
because you're on the other sideof it, and you just want people
to understand because it isscary.
It's scary for you about's.

Kelly (44:42):
Scary.
The unknown.
The unknown is scary,

Lindsey (44:46):
until you're on the other side of it, I was shit
scared.
Mm-hmm.
I was like, I'm not gonna haveanything to do.
I'm going to be bored.
No one's gonna wanna hang outwith me.
How am I gonna cope?
What am I gonna do and what am Igonna drink when I watch
Netflix?

Kelly (45:00):
Right.

Lindsey (45:00):
It just, all these things,

Kelly (45:01):
all of it, because it's, it becomes part of everything.
And even after I quit, I've setthis on here before, but even
after I quit, I was like, Idon't know if this is gonna be
any good.
I'm not convinced.
I'm not convinced this is gonnabe fun, but I can't stay on
myself anymore.
And other people have done it,so let's just give it a shot.

Lindsey (45:20):
Yeah.
Yeah.
You don't really know untilyou're on the other side.
We're kind of in a uniqueposition because we've lived
both ways.
Mm-hmm.
do you know what I mean?
Mm-hmm.
like somebody who'scontemplating like, I don't
think I can do this.
I don't know if I wanna do this.
Maybe they've given up alcoholfor dry January.
Dry February.
I mean, like myself, six monthswas the longest I went, but I

(45:42):
was like, eh, you just, youdon't really know.
And it can suck at first and behard, but mm-hmm.
when you're really on the otherside, you're, it's just like
something just clicks.

Kelly (45:54):
Yeah.

Lindsey (45:55):
Your brain, your heart, like everything in you is like,
oh my God.
Like, yeah.
And I don't believe for onesecond, people, I see this all
the time.
People are telling me abouttheir ailments or they're
posting about how they aren'tfeeling well, but you see them
posting that they're drinkingwine on the weekend, and I'm
like, hello?

(46:15):
can I just start by telling yousomething really simple, you
gotta cut out the booze

Tracey (46:21):
yeah.
You don't think those two thingsare related, right?

Lindsey (46:24):
Or people like, Lynn's, what are you doing?
You look really good.
Well, let me tell you.
Step one, cut out the alcohol.
Mm-hmm.

Kelly (46:32):
nothing ages you like alcohol, nothing ages you like
alcohol,

Lindsey (46:36):
stop drinking.
I don't care if you're onlydrinking on the weekend.
Your body cannot process toxinsand anything else.
Just from the foods we eat.
Our environment.
If it's busy processing alcoholoutta your system, your body is
not made to process poison likethat it's so hard on your liver
and all of your organs or peoplewith like, oh, I just got

(46:59):
diagnosed with diabetes and highblood pressure, but they're
drinking.
I'm like, oh my gosh, I wish youcould.

Kelly (47:05):
And doctors don't tell people that Mm.

Lindsey (47:08):
Very true.

Kelly (47:09):
If they're seeing medical doctors, they're not being told
you should really stop drinking.
No.
Mm-hmm.
they're still told, and maybethis will change with this new
information that's out.
Doubt.
No.
Mike says no But they just,they, well, the cycle is, and I
know because I was in it.
Like they ask you how much youdrink, you lie, and then they
say like, oh, just try andmoderate or cut back.

(47:29):
Mm-hmm.

Lindsey (47:30):
Well, they know you lie cuz I think doctors are actually
when they ask you how manydrinks a week you have, I think
they add like 10, you know, orsomething, or four, whatever.
Like know

Tracey (47:40):
if they were smart, they should, yeah.

Lindsey (47:42):
Yeah.
Like I don't think I've everbeen honest with the doctor.
When my doctor was like, wow,how you drinking?
Never.
Yeah.
when my we, when my weight wentup by 30 pounds,

Kelly (47:51):
but they're not telling people to quit drinking.
They're telling people to cutback.
If it seems like a lot.

Lindsey (47:57):
and they're writing prescriptions, so,

Kelly (47:59):
oh man, do not get me started.
Like that's a whole kinda worms.

Tracey (48:05):
Yeah.
I kind of wish that I hadcommented on the one page
because of exactly what yousaid, how, where you're coming
from, a unique perspective,being on both sides of it.
I kind of regretted after thefact it felt like there was an
opportunity there for me tospeak from both sides

Kelly (48:22):
mm-hmm.

Tracey (48:22):
and to potentially, give someone the opportunity to
consider a change.

Kelly (48:27):
Well, and that's the thing I think we can do, you
know, like trace how you werejust saying, you could become
preachy and all of that.
I think all we can do is justspeak our truth from our own
experience.

Tracey (48:37):
Mm-hmm.

Kelly (48:38):
and then they have that information.
They can do what they want withthat, so.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.

Tracey (48:45):
Either way.
I think it's all good.
We've said too before, what didwe say we called alcohol turning
into cigarettes.
Right?
Isn't this kind of what'shappening?

Lindsey (48:54):
That is, I think give it two more decades, 20 years,
and alcohol, like your time islimited.
It will be like cigarettes.
Yes, absolutely.
Absolutely.
Because then I think,millennials, they're actually
the ones that aren't drinking asmuch or something anymore.
It's people that I find that aremy age, like forties, thirties,

(49:17):
that are, fif forties, thirties,forties, fifties, I think that
are drinking.
But I don't know.
Mm-hmm.
kids in their twenties aren'tgoing out and getting

Kelly (49:27):
Nope.

Lindsey (49:27):
Shit faced and

Kelly (49:28):
no, my 18 year old, I mean, they, they all don't drink
at all.
but like, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The 18 year old,

Lindsey (49:34):
it's not such a bad thing to not drink anymore,
yeah.
You're being talked about more.

Kelly (49:40):
My almost 17 year old is not interested and then the
almost 27 year old.
Did go through I think thepartying stage, but he will go
out mm-hmm.
to the bar and things like that,mm-hmm.
every once in a while, butdoesn't wanna he struggles with
hangovers.
I'm like, my God, if you'restruggling now at 26, like PO
wait till you get to 40 yeah.

(50:02):
But no, he's not a big drinker.

Tracey (50:04):
I know I mentioned this to you guys, but I'm not sure I
spoke about it on the podcast,but my nephew and his girlfriend
who are in university, listenedto every one of our episodes and
they talked to me and I think itmade them really conscious
actually, of the binge drinkingthat goes on in university.
And I thought it was really coolto have conversations with them

(50:26):
about it and get theirperspective.
Again, it just kind of gave themsomething else to think about
and they really saw it from adifferent perspective.
So I thought it was really coolthat at their age and their
stage of life, that they werelistening and paying attention.
I know a big part of it was tosupport me, but they were taking
stuff from it.

(50:46):
Yes.
Right.
Yeah.
And having these type ofconversations about binge
drinking and stuff, so I thoughtthat's pretty awesome.

Kelly (50:54):
Yeah.
It's bringing awareness.
That's what I hope we're doinghere.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
I think it's really good.

Lindsey (50:59):
Yeah.

Kelly (51:00):
Well, I'm excited for some upcoming episodes.
We have some of our listeners assome of our guests.

Tracey (51:07):
I know we have a big lineup of guests.
We have six guests we have tolook forward to, and I'm sure
we'll have some hot topics totalk about, but

Kelly (51:15):
For sure.

Tracey (51:16):
Yeah, it's very exciting.
It's so nice to be back andmm-hmm.
see you guys and yeah.

Kelly (51:22):
Yay,

Lindsey (51:24):
That was it.

Kelly (51:25):
whoever listening.
If there's any topics, ifthere's any topics that you
wanna hear us talk about we lovethat kind of feedback

Tracey (51:33):
for sure.
Yeah.
Kel, go ahead and wrap up if youwant.
Tell them how to find us andwhere to give the feedback.

Kelly (51:39):
Oh, well, we're on Instagram at Laugh Life podcast.
There's a link in the show notesto a Facebook community where we
share oh, our Instagram accountsare linked in there.
And our email address.
So reach out, give us a review,share with your friends.
Thank you.

Tracey (51:59):
Okay.
Thanks everyone for listening,and we look forward to seeing
you next week.
Bye guys.
Until next time, keep laughing.

Kelly (52:07):
Laughing.
Yay.
Hi.
Bye

Lindsey (52:10):
bye everyone.

Kelly (52:13):
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