May 13, 2024 • 41 mins
The topic for this episode was inspired by a recent burst of social media posts popping up in our feed for products claiming to be healthier "alternative to alcohol". Another scary new trend of substances declaring they give you "all the BUZZ" of alcohol with none of the negative side effects. We're curious to understand what's in these products and what are the long term effects of using them. As the saying goes if it sounds too good to be true it probably is! We ask the question "why do some many people have the constant desire to be "Buzzed"? Is it just a means of escape? It's become more and more common for people to look to a substance or the next "quick fix" to alter their current state. Why are we relying on these outside sources when we have so many free ones that naturally increase our brains feel good chemicals? This just proves that as a society we still have a lot more work to do on the inside before we stop seeking solutions from the outside.
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Kelly (00:02):
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(00:24):
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Hey everybody, welcome back tothe LAF Life podcast.
This is episode 24 of seasonthree and we have a topic
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episode tonight.
Tracey sent something reallyinteresting in our group chat
the other day that she had seena couple times on TikTok about
these new substances that areout there that create a buzz
that aren't alcohol.
So yeah, Trace, what's up withthat?
Tracey (01:08):
My question was, why do we feel that we have to get
buzzed?
I was just very disturbed bythese products.
There was 2 of them, actually.
It wasn't just 1, there was 2,which is even worse.
2 different types of products.
2 different types of productsclaiming to give you a buzz, but
not have the negative impactthat alcohol has.
(01:30):
And yeah, it was just to me,ridiculous.
I just wonder what has happenedin the world or in life that we
feel.
That it's necessary to getthrough life or enjoy life being
buzzed, like it's so necessarythat when we've realized that
alcohol is not a good solutionor a good substance, and we've
(01:55):
learned all the negative thingsabout alcohol now, that they
have to come up with somethingelse.
It's like the next gimmick.
It was like when it.
Everybody discovered how badsmoking was, and they decided to
come up with vaping as areplacement.
And it only took us a couple ofyears of research to find out
that it wasn't any better, ifnot worse, than smoking was.
(02:19):
So what do they think is goingto happen with these other
products?
Right now they don't have thesame, negative effects as
alcohol.
Kelly (02:29):
But what are they?
What are they made of?
Chemicals?
Tracey (02:32):
I don't know, one has something to do with ketones,
which is even scarier becauseit's claiming to help you lose
weight at the same time asmaking you buzzed.
Oh boy.
All this stuff is very scary tome.
Kelly (02:48):
Yeah.
Lindsey (02:48):
There's gotta be some positives here, guys, right?
If people are hanging on togetting a buzz, what are some of
the things that we're gettingout of it?
Because we keep going back to itand we want this feeling what
are the positives here?
Feelings of escaping, right?
People wanna be buzzed becausethey're escaping something.
They're numbing out there.
(03:09):
I don't know what's anotherthing that could be a positive
like a social lubricant.
I don't know if we could sayit's a positive we don't even
know what it is like if it'slike there could be, Yeah, I
don't know if it's like Not apositive, but what keep driving
people to keep using thesethings or want to use them.
Kelly (03:28):
I feel like we talked about this recently on an
episode.
I feel like it's a self esteemissue.
Exactly.
We can't be ourselves in asocial situation.
And then we don't know how tomanage stress.
Lindsey (03:42):
And we don't want to face challenges.
I think either like we don'tlike just deal with life in
general and just be with ourfeelings, learning how to be
with our feelings, learning howto manage stress and eliminate
some stress.
We can eliminate all of it, butlifestyle changes, so that Life
is more manageable or we're nottaking on so much
Tracey (04:02):
I think a lot of it is just overstimulation in general
in society now.
We're so overstimulated and Ithink that's why we can't
process or feel like we can stopto process our emotions and
process what's going on ormanage stress because we have so
much coming at us at once.
(04:23):
That is what's bringing onstress.
I was thinking about thisrecently, about, even my own
child, but in general, when Italk to my coworkers, like
everybody's child now hasanxiety.
I know we all have suffered fromanxiety in our own ways as well,
but it seems to be just so muchmore.
(04:44):
Obviously the awareness isthere, so it's easier for people
to talk about it now, but Ithink the management of anxiety
has become unmanageable andthat's why people are talking
about it so much.
I know when I was experiencinganxiety, I felt like I could
somewhat control it and manageit.
And I just feel like youngpeople don't feel like they can.
(05:09):
Do they not have the tools or
Kelly (05:12):
no, now Jessica Seinfeld, Jerry Seinfeld's wife.
She's been talking about thisand somebody wrote a book about
this generation of kids and howanxious they are.
And I believe that The researchis based around how much social
media is in their lives andhaving that phone in front of
them all the time.
But we do too, like adults dotoo.
(05:32):
So I think like you said, Traceyeah, we're overstimulated and
we think that, we're going tochill out or, whatever my son, I
always ask him what he's doing.
He's chilling.
So we think we're chilling, butwhen we have this little mini
tiny computer with All thisstuff going on it's
overstimulating us.
We're not relaxing when we'rescrolling.
(05:54):
We're not.
It's not a relaxing thing.
We have to find healthierthings.
Tracey (05:59):
No, it's not a relaxing pastime at all.
Lindsey (06:01):
I think we're so used to it, though.
We're so used to that dopaminehit.
We're so used to the chemical,stimulating the chemicals in our
brains.
In ways that are not reallynatural.
And I think it flows over intowhy people want to feel buzzed
all the time too.
I think people are developingproducts like the one we're
talking about here, because.
(06:22):
Some people just can't controlwanting that feeling.
They just can't control the buzzanymore.
They have to be buzzed all thetime.
And that gets really difficult.
If you're drinking alcohol allthe time to feel a buzz, that's
a slippery slope, you're goingto need more and more to get the
same effect.
And then geez, like thehangovers the next day are
terrible.
(06:42):
I don't know.
I have to look at these productsand figure out what's in them,
but.
Kelly (06:46):
There's natural ways to get this thing that people are
looking for though.
Lindsey (06:50):
Why do people keep going for these substances?
Kelly (06:53):
I feel it more because it's in our face.
It's in our face.
Somebody is making money off ofit, but nobody makes money when
you turn your shower on cold.
And get that dopamine hitbecause that's an increase in
dopamine or doing a cold plunge.
People are making money offthese products.
So it's in our face and it's inour little thing that we're
holding in our hand all thetime.
(07:13):
I get a buzz when I'm likebarefoot outside.
There's natural ways to getthese things that we're seeking
out.
Tracey (07:22):
I was going to say, when Linz was saying that, you're
right Linz, it's artificial,it's an artificial dopamine hit,
really, and we're constantlyseeking that, and I think it has
to do with all theoverstimulation, but I also
think you're right, Kel, and Iwanted to speak to that too,
that it is, the money makingthing, it's a corporate thing,
(07:47):
it's a political thing, if allthese big companies are going to
lose money from alcohol sales orwhatnot, they have to come up
with the next thing to replacethat.
And so the marketing is going tobe blasting out there.
Like it does for alcohol onthese other products, if they
think it's going to be thereplacement I was shocked that I
(08:09):
was getting this stuff in myfeed and I swear to God, I'm
probably getting it because I'malcohol free.
So I'm probably getting thisshit now in my feed to give me
alternatives to alcohol becauseI'm not drinking it.
Kelly (08:24):
Yeah.
Ridiculous.
Since we're on this topic beforewe start talking about something
else?
Can I give some natural ways toincrease?
Yeah.
Okay, the chemicals we.
want in our brain are dopamine,oxytocin, serotonin, and
endorphins, right?
So to increase dopamine, homecleaning, say what you want
(08:45):
about that.
I I don't enjoy cleaning, but Ilove having a clean house.
So I can see how that could be.
Tracey (08:51):
I think maybe I'm sorry, Kelly, I wanted to say maybe
like purging.
Yeah, like that
Kelly (08:57):
nesting.
Do you get that nasty feelingsometimes that does feel good?
Yeah.
Focused work phone detoxes.
Cold showers.
Oxytocin is the love.
That's the love.
Yes.
So acts of service.
So doing something for somebodyelse.
Physical touch.
Grateful thoughts.
So just quickly find like one tothree things that you're
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grateful for.
And active listening.
Serotonin, time outside, eatinghealthy, calm breathing, and
sleeping deeply.
So having a really good sleep.
And then to increase endorphinsand reduce stress, stretching
your body, baths and saunas,singing and exercising, just
moving your body.
But those are all things, beforewe go for a chemical of any
(09:43):
sort, those are all free.
Tracey (09:46):
If we go back to childhood, Think of our
childhood before social mediabefore phones.
How many of those things did wedo?
We played outside all the time.
Kelly (09:56):
Yeah.
Tracey (09:57):
All the time.
We played sports.
Yeah.
We played games.
Kelly (10:01):
Yeah.
Tracey (10:01):
Like all those things that naturally are.
Yeah.
Boost all those chemicals.
Yeah.
Kelly (10:07):
Like I still love riding my bike.
I always say it makes me feellike a kid, but it is.
It's that feeling of moving mybody vigorously and the wind in
my face.
It's that same yeah.
Tracey (10:17):
I think that's a big difference too.
Like kids, I know my kid, it,they don't move like we used to
No.
We used to walk everywhere, rideour bikes everywhere.
And we did it in all sorts ofweather.
My kid is pretty much in herroom on her bed half the time on
her damn phone.
Kelly (10:35):
Yeah,
Lindsey (10:36):
yeah,
Tracey (10:37):
and then gets a drive everywhere.
Kelly (10:38):
Oh, yeah, my parents didn't drive me anywhere.
Lindsey (10:42):
I never got a ride anywhere.
Kelly (10:44):
No, I drove my kids.
Yeah, I know.
It's so true.
All this research and all thiscomplicated, stuff, but it's
actually not that complicated.
I just feel like we've all ofus, not just kids.
I feel like all of us havebecome so disconnected from
nature, which disconnects usfrom ourselves, which
disconnects us from ourintuition because our intuition
(11:05):
knows we know what we need.
Tracey (11:07):
Yeah,
Kelly (11:08):
when we're looking at a phone and we're not connected to
our intuition and the phonesaying to us, this is what you
need.
You need to be buzzed.
And this is the thing you needto buy to feel this way.
Tracey (11:20):
And you were saying, Linds, why would people choose
that over the natural things?
Because it's a quick fix.
And it's lazy, really.
It's the lazy way to get that,
Lindsey (11:32):
and I think it's accountability as well.
The quick fixes.
Nothing that's worth it has aquick fix, those quick fixes
take the accountability off theindividual to say hey, I'm
feeling stressed in this part ofmy life or something about this
situation or this person or thisrelationship or this workplace
bothers me, something here istoxic.
(11:55):
What am I going to do to dealwith it?
I'm going to numb out and get abuzz on because that's the only
time I feel any sort of relief.
I think it's people's way of.
Relief.
It's that instant, quick fix.
What happens is when you'relooking to substances, you're
actually prolonging thedifficulty, you're not dealing
with it and you still have toface it at some point.
(12:17):
The buzz wears off.
That's the thing with a buzz.
So when you're using likesubstances like alcohol, after
the buzz wears off, you feellike shit.
Cause now you're hung over.
And your body, your brainchemicals are so imbalanced,
your body wants to be in a stateof balance and homeostasis all
the time.
So then it's like trying to workto get back to being balanced
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and it's not good.
And I even think like thingslike these non alcoholic
substances that have like esterand ketones in them.
Kelly (12:46):
What's ester?
I don't know.
But is it like I'm going to haveto google it.
You should Google it.
okay.
Here we go.
Lindsey (12:52):
Is it something that like puts people to sleep
temporarily?
Kelly (12:55):
This is just like the first thing that popped up on
Google.
It says Esther, any.
Of a class of organic compoundsthat react with water to produce
alcohols and organic orinorganic acids.
Esters derived from carboxylicacids are the most common.
Lindsey (13:15):
So how would an ester give you a buzz?
Kelly (13:17):
Okay, this says an ester is an organic compound where the
hydrogen in the compound'scarboxyl group is replaced with
the hydrocarbon group.
Esters are derived from carboxylwhatever acid and usually
alcohol.
Tracey (13:32):
So it sounds like it's still somewhat related to
alcohol.
Kelly (13:36):
Alcohol.
Yeah.
Tracey (13:38):
Or it's a natural forming alcohol.
Lindsey (13:40):
They tell you in these infomercials or these ads not to
drive and if you're pregnant,don't consume them.
And it's okay, like that doesn'tsound.
It sounds like booze, doesn'tit?
Yeah, it sounds like alcohol.
Absolutely.
So what's the
Tracey (13:54):
difference?
Just because they're toting thatit doesn't have the hangover
effects of alcohol?
Like
Lindsey (14:00):
Maybe.
I don't know.
Or I even saw these pills.
Somebody was promoting thesepills that you take before you
go to bed on a binge night.
Where you wake up the nextmorning and you're just like
magically not hungover.
It's like people keep trying totake away the negativity and the
negative aspects of consumingalcohol, but it's like
Kelly (14:20):
I was doing that.
I was trying to take stuff.
I took like those ever revescenttablets in water.
I can't remember what they'recalled right now.
They're so expensive too.
I bought them all the time and Iwould drink them before I went
to
Lindsey (14:30):
I think what's in there like vitamin C and B12 or
something like Hydrolyte.
Kelly (14:36):
Hydrolyte.
Lindsey (14:37):
Electrolyte.
Yeah.
Oh, electrolytes.
Yeah.
Kelly (14:40):
Yeah.
But yeah, it's electrolytes, butit was called Hydrolyte and
there was these tablets and theyweren't cheap, but I was
convinced that they made myhangovers less.
Tracey (14:49):
Less.
Yeah, so did Gatorade.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Kelly (14:53):
I don't know what's in that garbage.
Tracey (14:54):
Yeah, exactly.
Lindsey (14:56):
Sugar and electrolytes.
Yeah, that's basically whatelectrolytes are.
Yeah, I don't know.
I just think it's a way thatpeople just, they're not facing
the difficulties that they haveto in their life, and it's a way
to numb out and, and it requiresor more, in a zero effort, it
requires zero effort.
Correct.
(15:16):
Yeah.
Or they're not comfortable in asocial situation in their,
trying to be buzzed, but just.
Be yourself work on yourself.
That's a sign if you needsomething to be in a social
situation it's time to work onyourself.
Kelly (15:31):
Yeah, that's a weird Yeah, you're right.
How you guys noticed that rightaway.
It's like the vape for smokingcigarettes.
They came up with the vape, butnow the vape is killing people
and destroying.
Lindsey (15:41):
That's just it.
It's even worse than cigarettes.
Kelly (15:44):
Guaranteed this stuff that they're coming out with is
going to turn out being Garbageas well.
It'll be the same.
Lindsey (15:50):
It's garbage and we just shouldn't be, I think if
you need a buzz to be in anysituation, whether it's coming
home from work after a hard day,you need to get a buzz on,
dealing with a person or arelationship dealing with a
workplace, I think anything inyour life that you feel like you
need to have a buzz for you needto evaluate that thing.
Kelly (16:09):
Right.
Tracey (16:10):
How about we do a lot more research on things before
we're just releasing them outinto the world?
On another note, I just wantedto mention like Ozembic, for
example.
Kelly (16:22):
Yeah, what is that?
I don't know anything aboutthat, so I'm curious.
Lindsey (16:25):
I don't really know about it either.
All I know isn't it a medicationfor diabetes?
Tracey (16:32):
It was originally designed for diabetes, I
believe, and to treat obesity orthey realized it was something
they could utilize to treatobesity, but the problem is now
everybody and their sister inthe U.
S.
anyways, is going on it becausethey can get it anywhere.
And a lot of celebs are on itbecause obviously you lose
weight.
And it is quick fix.
(16:53):
Exactly.
So and it's a peptide.
So peptides are a naturaloccurring thing in your body.
So I think because of that,people are seeing it as
something more natural.
And it's really being seen likeit's this miracle drug or this
miracle substance.
But there has been reported alot of extreme side effects that
(17:17):
are very like unhealthy.
So again, people are using it asa quick fix.
People that use that type ofstuff, they don't want to put in
the work.
They don't want to put in theeffort of what it takes to,
naturally do things to betteryour body or better your health.
So they just want that quick fixof injecting.
(17:41):
This is injected to Oh my God, Ididn't know that.
Yeah, I thought it was a pill.
I'm pretty sure you inject it.
It might come in a pill form.
I'm not an expert either.
I just keep hearing more andmore about it.
And I listened to a lot ofpodcasts that have doctors on
(18:01):
them and that, are science basedand research based.
And there's a lot of controversyaround it right now because like
I said, it's being given outlike left, right and center in
the US to people.
And you don't have tonecessarily make lots
Kelly (18:17):
of money,
Tracey (18:18):
yeah, a diabetic or be obese to get it.
Yeah, I think you can actuallyget it online in some places.
Lindsey (18:27):
Holy smokes.
Kelly (18:28):
I know it just goes back to the whole thing we talked
about before about how are youfeeling on the inside?
Everybody's so focused on losingthe weight and how they look.
Yeah, I wonder how these peopleare feeling.
I think for somebody who istaking ozempic for weight loss,
I'm gonna say besidescelebrities and people who are
doing it for like pure vanity Ithink a lot of these people are
(18:51):
at their wit's end they'llprobably be the people that say
I've tried everything I've triedevery single diet.
I've followed it to a tee.
I Can't lose weight and thereare people who have Health
conditions that probably makesit a lot harder.
Definitely not a doctor here ora nutritionist, there's a lot of
people that say genetically, I'mstruggling or I've tried every
(19:15):
single supplement.
I've tried every single exerciseand it doesn't matter what I do.
So I think, those people, Idon't know.
Tracey (19:23):
I agree with you.
I think that was really probablythe purpose of this drug
originally.
And I definitely think there'sprobably a lot of people on it
that are using it for thosereasons.
Kelly (19:34):
For the right reasons.
Yes.
And it's been probablybeneficial to them in ways.
But the sad thing is thatapparently it's being diagnosed
to a lot of kids.
Oh.
Or sorry, diagnosed.
Prescribed.
Prescribed to a lot of kids.
Wow.
That is the scary thing, becauseapparently it's a drug you have
to be on for the rest of yourlife.
(19:55):
Are you kidding?
No, if you go off it, thenyou're going to lose all the
benefits of it.
So it's seen as a drug to be onfor the rest of your life.
Wow, very concerning.
Yes.
Yeah.
Tracey (20:10):
I brought that up, I'm no expert.
It's just another kind ofshocking scary disturbing thing
out there.
And I think it's directlyrelated to some of the things
we're talking about.
Just those quick fixes.
Why people think they need theseoutside sources to solve some of
their problems or insideproblems.
Exactly.
(20:33):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Kelly (20:34):
Yeah.
Lindsey (20:34):
I think too, when I quit drinking I was really
concerned about boredom.
I felt okay, what am I going todo to feel buzzed?
It's like I was addicted, not tothe substance.
I wanted that feeling.
I wanted that numbness.
I wanted that buzz, but it'slike there was a certain point
where it just went over the buzzand then it started going
(20:54):
downhill.
So was there stuff in your lifehappening at that time that you
needed to escape from?
Yeah.
Yes.
Yes.
And just doing it in the wrongway, that definitely added more
problems.
That's the thing we see it assomething that's going to take
the edge off, give us a buzz,let us escape for a bit, but it
actually adds more problems.
(21:15):
On to the big, huge pile of messthat you're already trying to
avoid.
So it never really does what itpromises to do.
And the problems are theproblems are anxiety, could be
anxiety.
I had gout.
I was inflamed.
Yeah.
Lots of don't like the way youlook, you're super out of shape,
(21:36):
I don't know.
You lose motivation.
Kelly (21:39):
Yeah.
Yeah, you definitely do.
Yeah, you definitely do.
Yeah, you're not present withyour loved ones.
Not present, absolutely.
I think,
Lindsey (21:48):
having a buzz, you're not present when you're buzzed.
Kelly (21:52):
Exactly.
Tracey (21:53):
Not to mention what's it, what it's doing to your
insides, which, yeah, you don'tsee on the outside.
Kelly (21:59):
I said that the other day to somebody.
I'm like it's poison.
I used to say I don't care ifyou drink, but if you're
somebody in my life and I careabout you, you're drinking
poison and it's only a matter oftime.
Yeah.
So in the last year and a half,two people that I know of
directly have died before theage of 45.
(22:20):
What?
Alcohol.
Oh, man.
It's only a matter of time.
If you're drinking very heavily,then it's going to catch up with
you sooner.
For sure.
If you're drinking casually.
It will catch up with you,whether it's 40 or 45 or 50.
It's just slower.
It's the quality of life.
(22:41):
So yeah
Tracey (22:43):
and we talk about the things that we experienced and
we weren't even drinking at thelevel of some people out there.
I talk about what I'veexperienced, so I can't imagine
if I had kept drinking at thatpace or more for another year or
another two or three, right?
Lindsey (23:02):
I couldn't tell you.
I don't think it would haveended well.
I couldn't maintain what I wasdoing.
It was so toxic to my health.
I fell and broke up mycollarbone.
I was just going to say that
Kelly (23:14):
if it isn't killing us, yeah, if it isn't killing us on
the it is killing us, but ifthat doesn't get us first, you
could have an accident.
Look at our list.
The accident, yeah, you had anaccident.
Lindsey (23:23):
I just bought her book because I wanted to know what
the accident was.
I know.
Awesome.
Kelly (23:29):
But yes, exactly.
Yeah.
Tracey (23:31):
And these other substances.
Okay.
Who's to say.
We don't know that over time,you wouldn't need more and more
of them as well.
And what are the repercussionsof that going to be?
Like, they're saying, Oh, yeah,just have a couple of these, you
get a buzz.
Some of them are saying, this isa kicker too.
You get a buzz quicker than aglass or two of wine.
Kelly (23:53):
And then if you continue to consume it, will you be
intoxicated?
I'm curious.
I have
Tracey (23:58):
no idea.
We don't know.
Not to drive.
Don't have it when you'repregnant, so I assume,
Kelly (24:04):
what in the world, you guys?
Lindsey (24:06):
That scares me more than alcohol, to be really
honest, and I don't know why.
Kelly (24:11):
There's like a new, unknown substance out there.
Lindsey (24:14):
That's like when vaping came out.
Nobody really knew too muchabout that, and everybody was
like, This is awesome, we can doit in restaurants and
everywhere, and on, rememberwhen people would just walk
around and vape and blow thisfrickin puff of steam?
It smelled really good, but Idon't know nobody really knew
what the hell it was.
Tracey (24:31):
Yeah, but you know what?
I feel the same kind of aboutpot, too, and legalizing
marijuana.
I realize it has its benefits,and Medicinal purposes, but
people aren't using it in thatway.
They're abusing it.
And we have a lot more childrennow using it because it's so
accessible.
And that is where it has thebiggest impact.
(24:54):
If you look at research, it hasa bigger impact on people in
their 20s.
Using it and then say someone intheir 40s because it is
affecting their brain becausetheir brain is still developing
at that age.
Yeah.
That to me is a bit scary too.
It would be great if people werejust utilizing it for its
(25:14):
benefits because I know it doeshave benefits, but I feel it
gets abused a lot more oftenthan it's used for good.
And I feel like wanting
Kelly (25:23):
to deal with life.
Yeah,
Tracey (25:25):
and I feel like it has been a replacement.
I know it has been with somepeople I know for drinking.
I had a girlfriend who cut backon drinking, cut out wine.
And this was when I was stilldrinking and she said to me why
don't you just vape when Istarted talking about, trying to
cut down on wine.
Lindsey (25:42):
Oh,
Tracey (25:43):
and I was like,
Lindsey (25:44):
just swapping one thing for another though.
Tracey (25:46):
I was like, why would I get rid of one bad habit to
replace it with another?
Lindsey (25:51):
That's exactly it.
No, thank you.
You're not dealing with the,you're not dealing with the root
cause of why you want to,Escape, numb, get a buzz here's
the thing too it doesn't evenhave to be substances.
People do this with food all thetime.
Kelly (26:05):
I was just gonna say that.
Look at how abused food is.
That is the most abusedsubstance around.
Yeah.
Lindsey (26:13):
And it's like, why do you want to do that?
Again, it's a way of escaping.
That's the thing Yeah, yourDoritos and you're mindless when
you're doing it you're notconscious about how much you're
putting in your body how muchyou're eating.
You're literally numbed out.
You're just Going through themotions.
You're not even hungry
Kelly (26:32):
I know that's what I worried about like when you guys
were talking about that dietthing or the weight loss thing
and I You know, it's dig intojust like we do with alcohol,
why was I drinking like that?
What was the root cause?
Like you said, Linds, instead oftrying this diet and that diet
and getting this prescriptionthat you're going to be on for
the rest of your life, what inthe world?
(26:52):
Why are you turning to food?
What's there?
The root cause of the abuse.
That's an abuse.
We abuse ourselves when we drinkthe way we were drinking.
That's self harm.
That's self harm.
And that's the same thing ishappening with food.
In a big way.
Lindsey (27:10):
Yeah, it's so true.
It's so true.
Kelly (27:13):
And it's a buzz.
Lindsey (27:13):
I feel like I've been there though, too.
It is a buzz.
Kelly (27:16):
Yeah.
I used to comfort eat a high,
Lindsey (27:19):
comfort eat.
Yes.
Emotional eating.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
It is a buzz.
It's like the same chemicals inyour brain that are fired.
Yeah.
But it's going
Kelly (27:28):
back to those things, like those little things that I
was reading.
And there's more, too.
That was just a few things youcould do.
But this is what we should betaught in school.
And we're not, it's how tomanage guess what?
There's lots of emotions.
We can't be happy all the time.
How are you going to deal withthese emotions?
Tracey (27:46):
I definitely think it's an inside job, right?
Working on the inside first.
I think.
Part of the big issue though, isI almost feel like we're just
being programmed, right?
It almost feels like we're abunch of bots out there being
programmed by society to be acertain way, utilize these
(28:08):
things to solve our problemsbecause it's making the big
organizations and it's likethey're controlling everything,
including us.
Yes.
Yes.
So I think I feel like we've alllost touch with ourselves
because we're just beingcontrolled by everything else.
Kelly (28:29):
Yes.
Yeah, in that.
Yeah, I just had a women'sretreat this weekend.
So there's lots about goinginward and we didn't have phones
there are a couple little rulesand one of them is not having
your phone with you.
Yeah.
And the reason why we ask thatis so that they can be present
(28:50):
and go inward.
We do a lot of yoga, a lot ofmeditation.
That's where you learn to beokay with everything is when you
can take the time to put thephone down and just be quiet, be
bored.
Be with yourself
Tracey (29:05):
and I bet nobody there was feeling stressed, Kel.
Kelly (29:09):
No, it was the most joyful weekend.
Yeah, it was really amazing tosee.
Tracey (29:16):
And there's probably people that are resistant to it
and then feel so refreshed by itonce they let go of the idea of
having their phone, right?
Lindsey (29:25):
I think that's the biggest transformation.
That's when that transformationtakes place, is during those
times of discomfort.
When you just want to get a buzzon or you just want to reach for
your phone, but you resist,right?
It's those uncomfortablemoments, I feel like, everybody
knows what that feels like,that's when a transformation
happens.
(29:45):
You start to be like more awareof, okay, why do I feel so
uncomfortable or so anxious orthe compulsiveness to like, want
to eat this fricking KitKat bar?
What's going on here?
I know it's not good for me, butyet I want to do it.
We have to sit with it.
Be okay with it.
Also know too, Kelly, you'vesaid it before, it passes,
Kelly (30:07):
but that's where the magic starts to happen.
What you're talking about,Lindsay, is when we get to a
place in our life.
And I find that for a lot ofpeople it's around 40 and we
start to say like, why am Idoing these things that I'm
doing that are making my lifeharder?
And then leaning into thatdiscovering and learning why who
(30:29):
told me I needed to do this?
Or why do I feel this when thiscomes up?
Those things are,
Lindsey (30:34):
why do I feel like I need to stay here when I don't,
and I hate this situation.
Like people just stay,
Kelly (30:40):
or why am I laughing?
That's why people want, why am Ilaughing at this really mean
joke when I don't think it'sfunny?
Lindsey (30:46):
Yeah.
Oh my God.
Because people don't wanna goagainst.
The, the, what's the word, notthe norm, but the majority,
right?
You almost feel like embarrassedto, or it's awkward and
uncomfortable.
You just, but then how do youfeel about yourself after you
probably don't feel very good,but you stuff it down.
Kelly (31:04):
Cause you abandon yourself I knew that alcohol was
bad for me.
But I kept drinking.
So my self esteem was gettinglower and lower because I kept
on abandoning myself.
I knew it wasn't good.
Lindsey (31:16):
So drinking is a form of self abandonment then?
Kelly (31:19):
I think so.
When you know, yeah we all knownow.
Come on I understand how somepeople don't understand if some
foods aren't, but we all knowthat there are no benefits to
drinking alcohol.
Zero.
And we've talked about this, youguys, so many times.
Tracey (31:35):
Other than being buzzed and numbed out.
If you think that's a benefit.
If you think that's a benefit.
Some people do.
But I've learned that it's not.
Yeah, that's the thing.
Lindsey (31:45):
What do you view as being a benefit, right?
So you have to change yourmindset.
Tracey (31:48):
That's the sad part, is that people do view that as the
benefit.
A benefit of drinking.
And that's why there's theseother things that will make you
buzzed that aren't alcohol.
I'm like, why do we keep doingthis to ourselves?
Wow.
I love how you said that fromwhat Kelly said, Linz, that it's
a what'd you say
Lindsey (32:09):
self abandonment, form of self abandonment.
Yeah.
Kelly (32:12):
Yeah.
It is.
And once we make thatdeclaration I know we've talked
about this so many times, but wewant to live a healthier life or
we want to, age well orwhatever.
So we're drinking the greensmoothies in the morning and
then drinking wine at night.
That's self abandonment rightthere.
Lindsey (32:27):
Doesn't align with what you really want, like what you
say you want,
Kelly (32:31):
have some integrity
Tracey (32:32):
with yourself.
It's internal conflict.
And we know how that turns out.
I remember it.
It wasn't that long ago.
It was awful.
Lindsey (32:41):
I know.
And I think when you startfeeling like that, you get a
buzz or you wanna have a buzz tonot feel that.
Not think about it.
But I don't know.
At a certain point, I think youbecome wiser oh, this isn't
helping me.
Okay, I get this short term sortof period of relief, but it
comes with major consequencesthe next day.
And I still have all this shitto deal with that I haven't
(33:02):
dealt with.
Kelly (33:02):
And I see it happening now, with this group of there
was 18 of us this weekend and Isee it happening.
And there's more of a selfawareness I find happening right
now, because of all theinformation that's out there and
people are turning to differentways of healing and their
understanding trauma and allthese things.
And I love that it is leading topeople just saying, you know
(33:25):
what, alcohol, it's not for me.
And that's it.
There doesn't have to be alabel.
They don't have to declare likeanything just yeah, I'm not
going to drink anymore.
And I love that.
Lindsey (33:37):
You don't have to be an alcoholic either to stop
drinking.
That's what I'm saying.
Yeah.
You don't have to struggle withit.
Yeah.
It doesn't align.
It doesn't fit with the life Iwant or the person I want to be.
Do you have booze at yourretreats, Kelly?
Kelly (33:50):
No.
They get an email about a weekbefore that says it's an alcohol
free event.
Lindsey (33:58):
And then what's the response that you get from that?
Kelly (34:00):
It wasn't this time around, but I did have two
people that decided to drink.
Not join?
Lindsey (34:06):
Oh, they did?
They decided?
Oh, like they drank it inthemselves.
Kelly (34:09):
They drank it in their room.
Lindsey (34:11):
Got it.
Okay.
Kelly (34:12):
Yeah.
Lindsey (34:12):
Got it.
Wow.
I bet most people who do yourretreat though probably feel
pretty confident after if theydo it without alcohol.
Because I know we've talkedabout this before on the podcast
too a lot of these yoga and beerretreats.
Events or women in wellness andwine.
I'm no,
Kelly (34:29):
that doesn't align talking about alignment.
No.
Lindsey (34:33):
Yeah.
I think.
Yeah.
Oh, I love that, you do thatthough.
And send out that email and justtell people, how do you word it?
Kelly (34:39):
This is an alcohol free event.
Lindsey (34:42):
Do you offer an explanation as to why you want
people to feel connected and
Kelly (34:46):
you just say, if it comes up at the beginning on our 1st
evening together then yeah, Ijust say, yeah, you're going to
be more present, but it doesn'tusually come up.
I love that.
Tracey (34:58):
It's interesting because I just traveled and I was
telling you ladies that theywere serving alcohol at God
knows what hour in the morningat the airport, which shocked me
because I thought that there wasa time where even the liquor
stores right didn't open.
I think the earliest they couldopen was 11.
But they were serving alcohol atthe airport I wouldn't say 930.
(35:21):
Our flight was at 930.
No, 24 7.
24 7 you can drink at theairport.
And yes, I know that because Iused to do it.
And people were drinking.
And I was like, seriously, it'sfreaking 930 in the morning.
Kelly (35:36):
No rules.
No rules.
I had no rules when it came todrinking on vacation.
Lindsey (35:41):
I didn't either.
Nine in the morning.
It's mimosa time.
I'll probably take four of thoseand let's go.
One of the big things thatRichard and I are going to do
probably this summer is go to anall inclusive resort.
And I haven't been to one.
I quit drinking.
So a part of me is like, Oh man,like I used to associate with
(36:01):
holiday and vacation, that buzz,like the champagne buzz or the
wine buzz.
And I'm like, I had to, and Iwill have to, do some work on
changing my mindset around.
And what that means to actuallyrelax, because I would be like
mimosas on the beach orwhatever, or I don't know, just
(36:21):
wine with dinner and beers allday and then you feel like
complete shit.
Like it wouldn't be uncommon forme to be in a hotel room at an
all inclusive vacation, a dayafter drinking the whole day for
an entire day, like I wouldspend the entire day in my room.
Me too.
I had those.
What the hell kind of vacationis that?
What a waste.
Yeah.
Tracey (36:42):
I'll forewarn you, Linz, though, you won't get as good
service as a non drinker.
Right?
If you're not buying
Lindsey (36:48):
and getting drinks.
I would say buying, but allinclusive.
How was your experience withthat, Tracey?
Because tell our
Tracey (36:53):
listeners you went to Mexico, right?
Or no, Dominican.
I went to Dominican and my momwas in Jamaica in March and had
the same experience.
Kelly (37:02):
Not getting good service because you're not drinking.
Tracey (37:04):
Yes.
Yeah, they're there for thetips.
They wouldn't even serve my momin the local bars if they didn't
have a drink.
So they actually bought beerjust to sit there.
Are you serious?
Yeah.
In Jamaica, yeah, in Jamaica atthe local places.
I'm not talking about theresort.
(37:25):
Yeah.
At some of the local
Lindsey (37:27):
Mexican Coca Cola in the bottle.
Yeah.
Tracey (37:31):
It's just that at dinner service, when we were at the ala
carte restaurants, as soon asthey, they come over and offer
you wine or drinks.
As soon as you say, no, we don'tdrink, which we did.
You wouldn't see them again,unless necessary.
Like they didn't check on yourtable or come by regularly as
soon as they weren't drinking.
Kelly (37:51):
Really?
Tracey (37:52):
Yeah.
And actually, I had thisexperience too.
I had a bartender at the poolbar be very rude to me because I
asked him for water and he gaveme a very snarky remark.
And then I tipped him verygenerously just to prove a
point.
Lindsey (38:12):
Oh my God, that's terrible.
Tracey (38:15):
Yeah.
Oh man, that's really bad.
Yeah, I don't know.
Otherwise, being on vacation andnot drinking was great because I
felt good and I got to absorball the experience.
Kelly (38:28):
Yeah.
Lindsey (38:30):
Oh, boy.
Yeah.
Tracey (38:31):
Mind you, on my vacation, I don't know that was
so good, but the stressful stuffhappened, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
But I felt it all because Iwasn't drinking.
I wasn't numbing it away.
Yeah, you can manage all yourfeelings.
And it passed, though, right?
It did pass, yeah.
(38:51):
Good news.
It didn't last.
It took a little moredecompressing.
But it's a little bit moredecompressing.
Yeah,
Lindsey (38:59):
closing thoughts on this episode.
I just think you don't need tobuzz just live just feel it all
and you're gonna have to youknow what Listeners, you're
going to have to develop somecoping skills and learn that not
every circumstance, good and badlast, and you have to learn to
navigate life without, theinfluence of a substance.
(39:21):
We have to quit looking to quickfixes to take things away.
Whether it's.
Thoughts, emotions, trauma,pain, anxiety I think a lot of
people use substances to numbout and they don't really
enhance our fun times either.
If you're on vacation, it's funat the time, but you're going to
be hung over the next day andit's just not worth it.
You have to really think aboutthe person you want to be and
(39:43):
the life you want to lead andmake a decision whether alcohol
fits into your life as thatperson, that ultimate person
that you want to be.
What does it fit in?
Is that something that he or sheor however you identify?
Is that something that you do?
It doesn't work with me.
I'm glad that I discovered thatbecause I couldn't go much
(40:03):
longer.
Tracey (40:04):
Please do not get sucked into the marketing of these
other things.
Do not replace one bad thingwith another.
We don't know enough about themand if you're going to do the
work to give up alcohol, don'tsabotage it by taking on these
other substances that claim thatthey're going to give you
something that alcohol doesn'tor, not have the negative
(40:27):
effects alcohol does.
Lindsey (40:28):
So well said Tracey.
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Hey everybody, welcome back tothe LAF Life podcast.
This is episode 24 of seasonthree and we have a topic
(00:49):
episode tonight.
Tracey sent something reallyinteresting in our group chat
the other day that she had seena couple times on TikTok about
these new substances that areout there that create a buzz
that aren't alcohol.
So yeah, Trace, what's up withthat?
Tracey (01:08):
My question was, why do we feel that we have to get
buzzed?
I was just very disturbed bythese products.
There was 2 of them, actually.
It wasn't just 1, there was 2,which is even worse.
2 different types of products.
2 different types of productsclaiming to give you a buzz, but
not have the negative impactthat alcohol has.
(01:30):
And yeah, it was just to me,ridiculous.
I just wonder what has happenedin the world or in life that we
feel.
That it's necessary to getthrough life or enjoy life being
buzzed, like it's so necessarythat when we've realized that
alcohol is not a good solutionor a good substance, and we've
(01:55):
learned all the negative thingsabout alcohol now, that they
have to come up with somethingelse.
It's like the next gimmick.
It was like when it.
Everybody discovered how badsmoking was, and they decided to
come up with vaping as areplacement.
And it only took us a couple ofyears of research to find out
that it wasn't any better, ifnot worse, than smoking was.
(02:19):
So what do they think is goingto happen with these other
products?
Right now they don't have thesame, negative effects as
alcohol.
Kelly (02:29):
But what are they?
What are they made of?
Chemicals?
Tracey (02:32):
I don't know, one has something to do with ketones,
which is even scarier becauseit's claiming to help you lose
weight at the same time asmaking you buzzed.
Oh boy.
All this stuff is very scary tome.
Kelly (02:48):
Yeah.
Lindsey (02:48):
There's gotta be some positives here, guys, right?
If people are hanging on togetting a buzz, what are some of
the things that we're gettingout of it?
Because we keep going back to itand we want this feeling what
are the positives here?
Feelings of escaping, right?
People wanna be buzzed becausethey're escaping something.
They're numbing out there.
(03:09):
I don't know what's anotherthing that could be a positive
like a social lubricant.
I don't know if we could sayit's a positive we don't even
know what it is like if it'slike there could be, Yeah, I
don't know if it's like Not apositive, but what keep driving
people to keep using thesethings or want to use them.
Kelly (03:28):
I feel like we talked about this recently on an
episode.
I feel like it's a self esteemissue.
Exactly.
We can't be ourselves in asocial situation.
And then we don't know how tomanage stress.
Lindsey (03:42):
And we don't want to face challenges.
I think either like we don'tlike just deal with life in
general and just be with ourfeelings, learning how to be
with our feelings, learning howto manage stress and eliminate
some stress.
We can eliminate all of it, butlifestyle changes, so that Life
is more manageable or we're nottaking on so much
Tracey (04:02):
I think a lot of it is just overstimulation in general
in society now.
We're so overstimulated and Ithink that's why we can't
process or feel like we can stopto process our emotions and
process what's going on ormanage stress because we have so
much coming at us at once.
(04:23):
That is what's bringing onstress.
I was thinking about thisrecently, about, even my own
child, but in general, when Italk to my coworkers, like
everybody's child now hasanxiety.
I know we all have suffered fromanxiety in our own ways as well,
but it seems to be just so muchmore.
(04:44):
Obviously the awareness isthere, so it's easier for people
to talk about it now, but Ithink the management of anxiety
has become unmanageable andthat's why people are talking
about it so much.
I know when I was experiencinganxiety, I felt like I could
somewhat control it and manageit.
And I just feel like youngpeople don't feel like they can.
(05:09):
Do they not have the tools or
Kelly (05:12):
no, now Jessica Seinfeld, Jerry Seinfeld's wife.
She's been talking about thisand somebody wrote a book about
this generation of kids and howanxious they are.
And I believe that The researchis based around how much social
media is in their lives andhaving that phone in front of
them all the time.
But we do too, like adults dotoo.
(05:32):
So I think like you said, Traceyeah, we're overstimulated and
we think that, we're going tochill out or, whatever my son, I
always ask him what he's doing.
He's chilling.
So we think we're chilling, butwhen we have this little mini
tiny computer with All thisstuff going on it's
overstimulating us.
We're not relaxing when we'rescrolling.
(05:54):
We're not.
It's not a relaxing thing.
We have to find healthierthings.
Tracey (05:59):
No, it's not a relaxing pastime at all.
Lindsey (06:01):
I think we're so used to it, though.
We're so used to that dopaminehit.
We're so used to the chemical,stimulating the chemicals in our
brains.
In ways that are not reallynatural.
And I think it flows over intowhy people want to feel buzzed
all the time too.
I think people are developingproducts like the one we're
talking about here, because.
(06:22):
Some people just can't controlwanting that feeling.
They just can't control the buzzanymore.
They have to be buzzed all thetime.
And that gets really difficult.
If you're drinking alcohol allthe time to feel a buzz, that's
a slippery slope, you're goingto need more and more to get the
same effect.
And then geez, like thehangovers the next day are
terrible.
(06:42):
I don't know.
I have to look at these productsand figure out what's in them,
but.
Kelly (06:46):
There's natural ways to get this thing that people are
looking for though.
Lindsey (06:50):
Why do people keep going for these substances?
Kelly (06:53):
I feel it more because it's in our face.
It's in our face.
Somebody is making money off ofit, but nobody makes money when
you turn your shower on cold.
And get that dopamine hitbecause that's an increase in
dopamine or doing a cold plunge.
People are making money offthese products.
So it's in our face and it's inour little thing that we're
holding in our hand all thetime.
(07:13):
I get a buzz when I'm likebarefoot outside.
There's natural ways to getthese things that we're seeking
out.
Tracey (07:22):
I was going to say, when Linz was saying that, you're
right Linz, it's artificial,it's an artificial dopamine hit,
really, and we're constantlyseeking that, and I think it has
to do with all theoverstimulation, but I also
think you're right, Kel, and Iwanted to speak to that too,
that it is, the money makingthing, it's a corporate thing,
(07:47):
it's a political thing, if allthese big companies are going to
lose money from alcohol sales orwhatnot, they have to come up
with the next thing to replacethat.
And so the marketing is going tobe blasting out there.
Like it does for alcohol onthese other products, if they
think it's going to be thereplacement I was shocked that I
(08:09):
was getting this stuff in myfeed and I swear to God, I'm
probably getting it because I'malcohol free.
So I'm probably getting thisshit now in my feed to give me
alternatives to alcohol becauseI'm not drinking it.
Kelly (08:24):
Yeah.
Ridiculous.
Since we're on this topic beforewe start talking about something
else?
Can I give some natural ways toincrease?
Yeah.
Okay, the chemicals we.
want in our brain are dopamine,oxytocin, serotonin, and
endorphins, right?
So to increase dopamine, homecleaning, say what you want
(08:45):
about that.
I I don't enjoy cleaning, but Ilove having a clean house.
So I can see how that could be.
Tracey (08:51):
I think maybe I'm sorry, Kelly, I wanted to say maybe
like purging.
Yeah, like that
Kelly (08:57):
nesting.
Do you get that nasty feelingsometimes that does feel good?
Yeah.
Focused work phone detoxes.
Cold showers.
Oxytocin is the love.
That's the love.
Yes.
So acts of service.
So doing something for somebodyelse.
Physical touch.
Grateful thoughts.
So just quickly find like one tothree things that you're
(09:19):
grateful for.
And active listening.
Serotonin, time outside, eatinghealthy, calm breathing, and
sleeping deeply.
So having a really good sleep.
And then to increase endorphinsand reduce stress, stretching
your body, baths and saunas,singing and exercising, just
moving your body.
But those are all things, beforewe go for a chemical of any
(09:43):
sort, those are all free.
Tracey (09:46):
If we go back to childhood, Think of our
childhood before social mediabefore phones.
How many of those things did wedo?
We played outside all the time.
Kelly (09:56):
Yeah.
Tracey (09:57):
All the time.
We played sports.
Yeah.
We played games.
Kelly (10:01):
Yeah.
Tracey (10:01):
Like all those things that naturally are.
Yeah.
Boost all those chemicals.
Yeah.
Kelly (10:07):
Like I still love riding my bike.
I always say it makes me feellike a kid, but it is.
It's that feeling of moving mybody vigorously and the wind in
my face.
It's that same yeah.
Tracey (10:17):
I think that's a big difference too.
Like kids, I know my kid, it,they don't move like we used to
No.
We used to walk everywhere, rideour bikes everywhere.
And we did it in all sorts ofweather.
My kid is pretty much in herroom on her bed half the time on
her damn phone.
Kelly (10:35):
Yeah,
Lindsey (10:36):
yeah,
Tracey (10:37):
and then gets a drive everywhere.
Kelly (10:38):
Oh, yeah, my parents didn't drive me anywhere.
Lindsey (10:42):
I never got a ride anywhere.
Kelly (10:44):
No, I drove my kids.
Yeah, I know.
It's so true.
All this research and all thiscomplicated, stuff, but it's
actually not that complicated.
I just feel like we've all ofus, not just kids.
I feel like all of us havebecome so disconnected from
nature, which disconnects usfrom ourselves, which
disconnects us from ourintuition because our intuition
(11:05):
knows we know what we need.
Tracey (11:07):
Yeah,
Kelly (11:08):
when we're looking at a phone and we're not connected to
our intuition and the phonesaying to us, this is what you
need.
You need to be buzzed.
And this is the thing you needto buy to feel this way.
Tracey (11:20):
And you were saying, Linds, why would people choose
that over the natural things?
Because it's a quick fix.
And it's lazy, really.
It's the lazy way to get that,
Lindsey (11:32):
and I think it's accountability as well.
The quick fixes.
Nothing that's worth it has aquick fix, those quick fixes
take the accountability off theindividual to say hey, I'm
feeling stressed in this part ofmy life or something about this
situation or this person or thisrelationship or this workplace
bothers me, something here istoxic.
(11:55):
What am I going to do to dealwith it?
I'm going to numb out and get abuzz on because that's the only
time I feel any sort of relief.
I think it's people's way of.
Relief.
It's that instant, quick fix.
What happens is when you'relooking to substances, you're
actually prolonging thedifficulty, you're not dealing
with it and you still have toface it at some point.
(12:17):
The buzz wears off.
That's the thing with a buzz.
So when you're using likesubstances like alcohol, after
the buzz wears off, you feellike shit.
Cause now you're hung over.
And your body, your brainchemicals are so imbalanced,
your body wants to be in a stateof balance and homeostasis all
the time.
So then it's like trying to workto get back to being balanced
(12:38):
and it's not good.
And I even think like thingslike these non alcoholic
substances that have like esterand ketones in them.
Kelly (12:46):
What's ester?
I don't know.
But is it like I'm going to haveto google it.
You should Google it.
okay.
Here we go.
Lindsey (12:52):
Is it something that like puts people to sleep
temporarily?
Kelly (12:55):
This is just like the first thing that popped up on
Google.
It says Esther, any.
Of a class of organic compoundsthat react with water to produce
alcohols and organic orinorganic acids.
Esters derived from carboxylicacids are the most common.
Lindsey (13:15):
So how would an ester give you a buzz?
Kelly (13:17):
Okay, this says an ester is an organic compound where the
hydrogen in the compound'scarboxyl group is replaced with
the hydrocarbon group.
Esters are derived from carboxylwhatever acid and usually
alcohol.
Tracey (13:32):
So it sounds like it's still somewhat related to
alcohol.
Kelly (13:36):
Alcohol.
Yeah.
Tracey (13:38):
Or it's a natural forming alcohol.
Lindsey (13:40):
They tell you in these infomercials or these ads not to
drive and if you're pregnant,don't consume them.
And it's okay, like that doesn'tsound.
It sounds like booze, doesn'tit?
Yeah, it sounds like alcohol.
Absolutely.
So what's the
Tracey (13:54):
difference?
Just because they're toting thatit doesn't have the hangover
effects of alcohol?
Like
Lindsey (14:00):
Maybe.
I don't know.
Or I even saw these pills.
Somebody was promoting thesepills that you take before you
go to bed on a binge night.
Where you wake up the nextmorning and you're just like
magically not hungover.
It's like people keep trying totake away the negativity and the
negative aspects of consumingalcohol, but it's like
Kelly (14:20):
I was doing that.
I was trying to take stuff.
I took like those ever revescenttablets in water.
I can't remember what they'recalled right now.
They're so expensive too.
I bought them all the time and Iwould drink them before I went
to
Lindsey (14:30):
I think what's in there like vitamin C and B12 or
something like Hydrolyte.
Kelly (14:36):
Hydrolyte.
Lindsey (14:37):
Electrolyte.
Yeah.
Oh, electrolytes.
Yeah.
Kelly (14:40):
Yeah.
But yeah, it's electrolytes, butit was called Hydrolyte and
there was these tablets and theyweren't cheap, but I was
convinced that they made myhangovers less.
Tracey (14:49):
Less.
Yeah, so did Gatorade.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Kelly (14:53):
I don't know what's in that garbage.
Tracey (14:54):
Yeah, exactly.
Lindsey (14:56):
Sugar and electrolytes.
Yeah, that's basically whatelectrolytes are.
Yeah, I don't know.
I just think it's a way thatpeople just, they're not facing
the difficulties that they haveto in their life, and it's a way
to numb out and, and it requiresor more, in a zero effort, it
requires zero effort.
Correct.
(15:16):
Yeah.
Or they're not comfortable in asocial situation in their,
trying to be buzzed, but just.
Be yourself work on yourself.
That's a sign if you needsomething to be in a social
situation it's time to work onyourself.
Kelly (15:31):
Yeah, that's a weird Yeah, you're right.
How you guys noticed that rightaway.
It's like the vape for smokingcigarettes.
They came up with the vape, butnow the vape is killing people
and destroying.
Lindsey (15:41):
That's just it.
It's even worse than cigarettes.
Kelly (15:44):
Guaranteed this stuff that they're coming out with is
going to turn out being Garbageas well.
It'll be the same.
Lindsey (15:50):
It's garbage and we just shouldn't be, I think if
you need a buzz to be in anysituation, whether it's coming
home from work after a hard day,you need to get a buzz on,
dealing with a person or arelationship dealing with a
workplace, I think anything inyour life that you feel like you
need to have a buzz for you needto evaluate that thing.
Kelly (16:09):
Right.
Tracey (16:10):
How about we do a lot more research on things before
we're just releasing them outinto the world?
On another note, I just wantedto mention like Ozembic, for
example.
Kelly (16:22):
Yeah, what is that?
I don't know anything aboutthat, so I'm curious.
Lindsey (16:25):
I don't really know about it either.
All I know isn't it a medicationfor diabetes?
Tracey (16:32):
It was originally designed for diabetes, I
believe, and to treat obesity orthey realized it was something
they could utilize to treatobesity, but the problem is now
everybody and their sister inthe U.
S.
anyways, is going on it becausethey can get it anywhere.
And a lot of celebs are on itbecause obviously you lose
weight.
And it is quick fix.
(16:53):
Exactly.
So and it's a peptide.
So peptides are a naturaloccurring thing in your body.
So I think because of that,people are seeing it as
something more natural.
And it's really being seen likeit's this miracle drug or this
miracle substance.
But there has been reported alot of extreme side effects that
(17:17):
are very like unhealthy.
So again, people are using it asa quick fix.
People that use that type ofstuff, they don't want to put in
the work.
They don't want to put in theeffort of what it takes to,
naturally do things to betteryour body or better your health.
So they just want that quick fixof injecting.
(17:41):
This is injected to Oh my God, Ididn't know that.
Yeah, I thought it was a pill.
I'm pretty sure you inject it.
It might come in a pill form.
I'm not an expert either.
I just keep hearing more andmore about it.
And I listened to a lot ofpodcasts that have doctors on
(18:01):
them and that, are science basedand research based.
And there's a lot of controversyaround it right now because like
I said, it's being given outlike left, right and center in
the US to people.
And you don't have tonecessarily make lots
Kelly (18:17):
of money,
Tracey (18:18):
yeah, a diabetic or be obese to get it.
Yeah, I think you can actuallyget it online in some places.
Lindsey (18:27):
Holy smokes.
Kelly (18:28):
I know it just goes back to the whole thing we talked
about before about how are youfeeling on the inside?
Everybody's so focused on losingthe weight and how they look.
Yeah, I wonder how these peopleare feeling.
I think for somebody who istaking ozempic for weight loss,
I'm gonna say besidescelebrities and people who are
doing it for like pure vanity Ithink a lot of these people are
(18:51):
at their wit's end they'llprobably be the people that say
I've tried everything I've triedevery single diet.
I've followed it to a tee.
I Can't lose weight and thereare people who have Health
conditions that probably makesit a lot harder.
Definitely not a doctor here ora nutritionist, there's a lot of
people that say genetically, I'mstruggling or I've tried every
(19:15):
single supplement.
I've tried every single exerciseand it doesn't matter what I do.
So I think, those people, Idon't know.
Tracey (19:23):
I agree with you.
I think that was really probablythe purpose of this drug
originally.
And I definitely think there'sprobably a lot of people on it
that are using it for thosereasons.
Kelly (19:34):
For the right reasons.
Yes.
And it's been probablybeneficial to them in ways.
But the sad thing is thatapparently it's being diagnosed
to a lot of kids.
Oh.
Or sorry, diagnosed.
Prescribed.
Prescribed to a lot of kids.
Wow.
That is the scary thing, becauseapparently it's a drug you have
to be on for the rest of yourlife.
(19:55):
Are you kidding?
No, if you go off it, thenyou're going to lose all the
benefits of it.
So it's seen as a drug to be onfor the rest of your life.
Wow, very concerning.
Yes.
Yeah.
Tracey (20:10):
I brought that up, I'm no expert.
It's just another kind ofshocking scary disturbing thing
out there.
And I think it's directlyrelated to some of the things
we're talking about.
Just those quick fixes.
Why people think they need theseoutside sources to solve some of
their problems or insideproblems.
Exactly.
(20:33):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Kelly (20:34):
Yeah.
Lindsey (20:34):
I think too, when I quit drinking I was really
concerned about boredom.
I felt okay, what am I going todo to feel buzzed?
It's like I was addicted, not tothe substance.
I wanted that feeling.
I wanted that numbness.
I wanted that buzz, but it'slike there was a certain point
where it just went over the buzzand then it started going
(20:54):
downhill.
So was there stuff in your lifehappening at that time that you
needed to escape from?
Yeah.
Yes.
Yes.
And just doing it in the wrongway, that definitely added more
problems.
That's the thing we see it assomething that's going to take
the edge off, give us a buzz,let us escape for a bit, but it
actually adds more problems.
(21:15):
On to the big, huge pile of messthat you're already trying to
avoid.
So it never really does what itpromises to do.
And the problems are theproblems are anxiety, could be
anxiety.
I had gout.
I was inflamed.
Yeah.
Lots of don't like the way youlook, you're super out of shape,
(21:36):
I don't know.
You lose motivation.
Kelly (21:39):
Yeah.
Yeah, you definitely do.
Yeah, you definitely do.
Yeah, you're not present withyour loved ones.
Not present, absolutely.
I think,
Lindsey (21:48):
having a buzz, you're not present when you're buzzed.
Kelly (21:52):
Exactly.
Tracey (21:53):
Not to mention what's it, what it's doing to your
insides, which, yeah, you don'tsee on the outside.
Kelly (21:59):
I said that the other day to somebody.
I'm like it's poison.
I used to say I don't care ifyou drink, but if you're
somebody in my life and I careabout you, you're drinking
poison and it's only a matter oftime.
Yeah.
So in the last year and a half,two people that I know of
directly have died before theage of 45.
(22:20):
What?
Alcohol.
Oh, man.
It's only a matter of time.
If you're drinking very heavily,then it's going to catch up with
you sooner.
For sure.
If you're drinking casually.
It will catch up with you,whether it's 40 or 45 or 50.
It's just slower.
It's the quality of life.
(22:41):
So yeah
Tracey (22:43):
and we talk about the things that we experienced and
we weren't even drinking at thelevel of some people out there.
I talk about what I'veexperienced, so I can't imagine
if I had kept drinking at thatpace or more for another year or
another two or three, right?
Lindsey (23:02):
I couldn't tell you.
I don't think it would haveended well.
I couldn't maintain what I wasdoing.
It was so toxic to my health.
I fell and broke up mycollarbone.
I was just going to say that
Kelly (23:14):
if it isn't killing us, yeah, if it isn't killing us on
the it is killing us, but ifthat doesn't get us first, you
could have an accident.
Look at our list.
The accident, yeah, you had anaccident.
Lindsey (23:23):
I just bought her book because I wanted to know what
the accident was.
I know.
Awesome.
Kelly (23:29):
But yes, exactly.
Yeah.
Tracey (23:31):
And these other substances.
Okay.
Who's to say.
We don't know that over time,you wouldn't need more and more
of them as well.
And what are the repercussionsof that going to be?
Like, they're saying, Oh, yeah,just have a couple of these, you
get a buzz.
Some of them are saying, this isa kicker too.
You get a buzz quicker than aglass or two of wine.
Kelly (23:53):
And then if you continue to consume it, will you be
intoxicated?
I'm curious.
I have
Tracey (23:58):
no idea.
We don't know.
Not to drive.
Don't have it when you'repregnant, so I assume,
Kelly (24:04):
what in the world, you guys?
Lindsey (24:06):
That scares me more than alcohol, to be really
honest, and I don't know why.
Kelly (24:11):
There's like a new, unknown substance out there.
Lindsey (24:14):
That's like when vaping came out.
Nobody really knew too muchabout that, and everybody was
like, This is awesome, we can doit in restaurants and
everywhere, and on, rememberwhen people would just walk
around and vape and blow thisfrickin puff of steam?
It smelled really good, but Idon't know nobody really knew
what the hell it was.
Tracey (24:31):
Yeah, but you know what?
I feel the same kind of aboutpot, too, and legalizing
marijuana.
I realize it has its benefits,and Medicinal purposes, but
people aren't using it in thatway.
They're abusing it.
And we have a lot more childrennow using it because it's so
accessible.
And that is where it has thebiggest impact.
(24:54):
If you look at research, it hasa bigger impact on people in
their 20s.
Using it and then say someone intheir 40s because it is
affecting their brain becausetheir brain is still developing
at that age.
Yeah.
That to me is a bit scary too.
It would be great if people werejust utilizing it for its
(25:14):
benefits because I know it doeshave benefits, but I feel it
gets abused a lot more oftenthan it's used for good.
And I feel like wanting
Kelly (25:23):
to deal with life.
Yeah,
Tracey (25:25):
and I feel like it has been a replacement.
I know it has been with somepeople I know for drinking.
I had a girlfriend who cut backon drinking, cut out wine.
And this was when I was stilldrinking and she said to me why
don't you just vape when Istarted talking about, trying to
cut down on wine.
Lindsey (25:42):
Oh,
Tracey (25:43):
and I was like,
Lindsey (25:44):
just swapping one thing for another though.
Tracey (25:46):
I was like, why would I get rid of one bad habit to
replace it with another?
Lindsey (25:51):
That's exactly it.
No, thank you.
You're not dealing with the,you're not dealing with the root
cause of why you want to,Escape, numb, get a buzz here's
the thing too it doesn't evenhave to be substances.
People do this with food all thetime.
Kelly (26:05):
I was just gonna say that.
Look at how abused food is.
That is the most abusedsubstance around.
Yeah.
Lindsey (26:13):
And it's like, why do you want to do that?
Again, it's a way of escaping.
That's the thing Yeah, yourDoritos and you're mindless when
you're doing it you're notconscious about how much you're
putting in your body how muchyou're eating.
You're literally numbed out.
You're just Going through themotions.
You're not even hungry
Kelly (26:32):
I know that's what I worried about like when you guys
were talking about that dietthing or the weight loss thing
and I You know, it's dig intojust like we do with alcohol,
why was I drinking like that?
What was the root cause?
Like you said, Linds, instead oftrying this diet and that diet
and getting this prescriptionthat you're going to be on for
the rest of your life, what inthe world?
(26:52):
Why are you turning to food?
What's there?
The root cause of the abuse.
That's an abuse.
We abuse ourselves when we drinkthe way we were drinking.
That's self harm.
That's self harm.
And that's the same thing ishappening with food.
In a big way.
Lindsey (27:10):
Yeah, it's so true.
It's so true.
Kelly (27:13):
And it's a buzz.
Lindsey (27:13):
I feel like I've been there though, too.
It is a buzz.
Kelly (27:16):
Yeah.
I used to comfort eat a high,
Lindsey (27:19):
comfort eat.
Yes.
Emotional eating.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
It is a buzz.
It's like the same chemicals inyour brain that are fired.
Yeah.
But it's going
Kelly (27:28):
back to those things, like those little things that I
was reading.
And there's more, too.
That was just a few things youcould do.
But this is what we should betaught in school.
And we're not, it's how tomanage guess what?
There's lots of emotions.
We can't be happy all the time.
How are you going to deal withthese emotions?
Tracey (27:46):
I definitely think it's an inside job, right?
Working on the inside first.
I think.
Part of the big issue though, isI almost feel like we're just
being programmed, right?
It almost feels like we're abunch of bots out there being
programmed by society to be acertain way, utilize these
(28:08):
things to solve our problemsbecause it's making the big
organizations and it's likethey're controlling everything,
including us.
Yes.
Yes.
So I think I feel like we've alllost touch with ourselves
because we're just beingcontrolled by everything else.
Kelly (28:29):
Yes.
Yeah, in that.
Yeah, I just had a women'sretreat this weekend.
So there's lots about goinginward and we didn't have phones
there are a couple little rulesand one of them is not having
your phone with you.
Yeah.
And the reason why we ask thatis so that they can be present
(28:50):
and go inward.
We do a lot of yoga, a lot ofmeditation.
That's where you learn to beokay with everything is when you
can take the time to put thephone down and just be quiet, be
bored.
Be with yourself
Tracey (29:05):
and I bet nobody there was feeling stressed, Kel.
Kelly (29:09):
No, it was the most joyful weekend.
Yeah, it was really amazing tosee.
Tracey (29:16):
And there's probably people that are resistant to it
and then feel so refreshed by itonce they let go of the idea of
having their phone, right?
Lindsey (29:25):
I think that's the biggest transformation.
That's when that transformationtakes place, is during those
times of discomfort.
When you just want to get a buzzon or you just want to reach for
your phone, but you resist,right?
It's those uncomfortablemoments, I feel like, everybody
knows what that feels like,that's when a transformation
happens.
(29:45):
You start to be like more awareof, okay, why do I feel so
uncomfortable or so anxious orthe compulsiveness to like, want
to eat this fricking KitKat bar?
What's going on here?
I know it's not good for me, butyet I want to do it.
We have to sit with it.
Be okay with it.
Also know too, Kelly, you'vesaid it before, it passes,
Kelly (30:07):
but that's where the magic starts to happen.
What you're talking about,Lindsay, is when we get to a
place in our life.
And I find that for a lot ofpeople it's around 40 and we
start to say like, why am Idoing these things that I'm
doing that are making my lifeharder?
And then leaning into thatdiscovering and learning why who
(30:29):
told me I needed to do this?
Or why do I feel this when thiscomes up?
Those things are,
Lindsey (30:34):
why do I feel like I need to stay here when I don't,
and I hate this situation.
Like people just stay,
Kelly (30:40):
or why am I laughing?
That's why people want, why am Ilaughing at this really mean
joke when I don't think it'sfunny?
Lindsey (30:46):
Yeah.
Oh my God.
Because people don't wanna goagainst.
The, the, what's the word, notthe norm, but the majority,
right?
You almost feel like embarrassedto, or it's awkward and
uncomfortable.
You just, but then how do youfeel about yourself after you
probably don't feel very good,but you stuff it down.
Kelly (31:04):
Cause you abandon yourself I knew that alcohol was
bad for me.
But I kept drinking.
So my self esteem was gettinglower and lower because I kept
on abandoning myself.
I knew it wasn't good.
Lindsey (31:16):
So drinking is a form of self abandonment then?
Kelly (31:19):
I think so.
When you know, yeah we all knownow.
Come on I understand how somepeople don't understand if some
foods aren't, but we all knowthat there are no benefits to
drinking alcohol.
Zero.
And we've talked about this, youguys, so many times.
Tracey (31:35):
Other than being buzzed and numbed out.
If you think that's a benefit.
If you think that's a benefit.
Some people do.
But I've learned that it's not.
Yeah, that's the thing.
Lindsey (31:45):
What do you view as being a benefit, right?
So you have to change yourmindset.
Tracey (31:48):
That's the sad part, is that people do view that as the
benefit.
A benefit of drinking.
And that's why there's theseother things that will make you
buzzed that aren't alcohol.
I'm like, why do we keep doingthis to ourselves?
Wow.
I love how you said that fromwhat Kelly said, Linz, that it's
a what'd you say
Lindsey (32:09):
self abandonment, form of self abandonment.
Yeah.
Kelly (32:12):
Yeah.
It is.
And once we make thatdeclaration I know we've talked
about this so many times, but wewant to live a healthier life or
we want to, age well orwhatever.
So we're drinking the greensmoothies in the morning and
then drinking wine at night.
That's self abandonment rightthere.
Lindsey (32:27):
Doesn't align with what you really want, like what you
say you want,
Kelly (32:31):
have some integrity
Tracey (32:32):
with yourself.
It's internal conflict.
And we know how that turns out.
I remember it.
It wasn't that long ago.
It was awful.
Lindsey (32:41):
I know.
And I think when you startfeeling like that, you get a
buzz or you wanna have a buzz tonot feel that.
Not think about it.
But I don't know.
At a certain point, I think youbecome wiser oh, this isn't
helping me.
Okay, I get this short term sortof period of relief, but it
comes with major consequencesthe next day.
And I still have all this shitto deal with that I haven't
(33:02):
dealt with.
Kelly (33:02):
And I see it happening now, with this group of there
was 18 of us this weekend and Isee it happening.
And there's more of a selfawareness I find happening right
now, because of all theinformation that's out there and
people are turning to differentways of healing and their
understanding trauma and allthese things.
And I love that it is leading topeople just saying, you know
(33:25):
what, alcohol, it's not for me.
And that's it.
There doesn't have to be alabel.
They don't have to declare likeanything just yeah, I'm not
going to drink anymore.
And I love that.
Lindsey (33:37):
You don't have to be an alcoholic either to stop
drinking.
That's what I'm saying.
Yeah.
You don't have to struggle withit.
Yeah.
It doesn't align.
It doesn't fit with the life Iwant or the person I want to be.
Do you have booze at yourretreats, Kelly?
Kelly (33:50):
No.
They get an email about a weekbefore that says it's an alcohol
free event.
Lindsey (33:58):
And then what's the response that you get from that?
Kelly (34:00):
It wasn't this time around, but I did have two
people that decided to drink.
Not join?
Lindsey (34:06):
Oh, they did?
They decided?
Oh, like they drank it inthemselves.
Kelly (34:09):
They drank it in their room.
Lindsey (34:11):
Got it.
Okay.
Kelly (34:12):
Yeah.
Lindsey (34:12):
Got it.
Wow.
I bet most people who do yourretreat though probably feel
pretty confident after if theydo it without alcohol.
Because I know we've talkedabout this before on the podcast
too a lot of these yoga and beerretreats.
Events or women in wellness andwine.
I'm no,
Kelly (34:29):
that doesn't align talking about alignment.
No.
Lindsey (34:33):
Yeah.
I think.
Yeah.
Oh, I love that, you do thatthough.
And send out that email and justtell people, how do you word it?
Kelly (34:39):
This is an alcohol free event.
Lindsey (34:42):
Do you offer an explanation as to why you want
people to feel connected and
Kelly (34:46):
you just say, if it comes up at the beginning on our 1st
evening together then yeah, Ijust say, yeah, you're going to
be more present, but it doesn'tusually come up.
I love that.
Tracey (34:58):
It's interesting because I just traveled and I was
telling you ladies that theywere serving alcohol at God
knows what hour in the morningat the airport, which shocked me
because I thought that there wasa time where even the liquor
stores right didn't open.
I think the earliest they couldopen was 11.
But they were serving alcohol atthe airport I wouldn't say 930.
(35:21):
Our flight was at 930.
No, 24 7.
24 7 you can drink at theairport.
And yes, I know that because Iused to do it.
And people were drinking.
And I was like, seriously, it'sfreaking 930 in the morning.
Kelly (35:36):
No rules.
No rules.
I had no rules when it came todrinking on vacation.
Lindsey (35:41):
I didn't either.
Nine in the morning.
It's mimosa time.
I'll probably take four of thoseand let's go.
One of the big things thatRichard and I are going to do
probably this summer is go to anall inclusive resort.
And I haven't been to one.
I quit drinking.
So a part of me is like, Oh man,like I used to associate with
(36:01):
holiday and vacation, that buzz,like the champagne buzz or the
wine buzz.
And I'm like, I had to, and Iwill have to, do some work on
changing my mindset around.
And what that means to actuallyrelax, because I would be like
mimosas on the beach orwhatever, or I don't know, just
(36:21):
wine with dinner and beers allday and then you feel like
complete shit.
Like it wouldn't be uncommon forme to be in a hotel room at an
all inclusive vacation, a dayafter drinking the whole day for
an entire day, like I wouldspend the entire day in my room.
Me too.
I had those.
What the hell kind of vacationis that?
What a waste.
Yeah.
Tracey (36:42):
I'll forewarn you, Linz, though, you won't get as good
service as a non drinker.
Right?
If you're not buying
Lindsey (36:48):
and getting drinks.
I would say buying, but allinclusive.
How was your experience withthat, Tracey?
Because tell our
Tracey (36:53):
listeners you went to Mexico, right?
Or no, Dominican.
I went to Dominican and my momwas in Jamaica in March and had
the same experience.
Kelly (37:02):
Not getting good service because you're not drinking.
Tracey (37:04):
Yes.
Yeah, they're there for thetips.
They wouldn't even serve my momin the local bars if they didn't
have a drink.
So they actually bought beerjust to sit there.
Are you serious?
Yeah.
In Jamaica, yeah, in Jamaica atthe local places.
I'm not talking about theresort.
(37:25):
Yeah.
At some of the local
Lindsey (37:27):
Mexican Coca Cola in the bottle.
Yeah.
Tracey (37:31):
It's just that at dinner service, when we were at the ala
carte restaurants, as soon asthey, they come over and offer
you wine or drinks.
As soon as you say, no, we don'tdrink, which we did.
You wouldn't see them again,unless necessary.
Like they didn't check on yourtable or come by regularly as
soon as they weren't drinking.
Kelly (37:51):
Really?
Tracey (37:52):
Yeah.
And actually, I had thisexperience too.
I had a bartender at the poolbar be very rude to me because I
asked him for water and he gaveme a very snarky remark.
And then I tipped him verygenerously just to prove a
point.
Lindsey (38:12):
Oh my God, that's terrible.
Tracey (38:15):
Yeah.
Oh man, that's really bad.
Yeah, I don't know.
Otherwise, being on vacation andnot drinking was great because I
felt good and I got to absorball the experience.
Kelly (38:28):
Yeah.
Lindsey (38:30):
Oh, boy.
Yeah.
Tracey (38:31):
Mind you, on my vacation, I don't know that was
so good, but the stressful stuffhappened, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
But I felt it all because Iwasn't drinking.
I wasn't numbing it away.
Yeah, you can manage all yourfeelings.
And it passed, though, right?
It did pass, yeah.
(38:51):
Good news.
It didn't last.
It took a little moredecompressing.
But it's a little bit moredecompressing.
Yeah,
Lindsey (38:59):
closing thoughts on this episode.
I just think you don't need tobuzz just live just feel it all
and you're gonna have to youknow what Listeners, you're
going to have to develop somecoping skills and learn that not
every circumstance, good and badlast, and you have to learn to
navigate life without, theinfluence of a substance.
(39:21):
We have to quit looking to quickfixes to take things away.
Whether it's.
Thoughts, emotions, trauma,pain, anxiety I think a lot of
people use substances to numbout and they don't really
enhance our fun times either.
If you're on vacation, it's funat the time, but you're going to
be hung over the next day andit's just not worth it.
You have to really think aboutthe person you want to be and
(39:43):
the life you want to lead andmake a decision whether alcohol
fits into your life as thatperson, that ultimate person
that you want to be.
What does it fit in?
Is that something that he or sheor however you identify?
Is that something that you do?
It doesn't work with me.
I'm glad that I discovered thatbecause I couldn't go much
(40:03):
longer.
Tracey (40:04):
Please do not get sucked into the marketing of these
other things.
Do not replace one bad thingwith another.
We don't know enough about themand if you're going to do the
work to give up alcohol, don'tsabotage it by taking on these
other substances that claim thatthey're going to give you
something that alcohol doesn'tor, not have the negative
(40:27):
effects alcohol does.
Lindsey (40:28):
So well said Tracey.
Everybody, that is a wrap ontoday's episode.
Thank you so much for tuning in.
We'd love to hear your thoughtsand opinions.
You can find us on Instagram atLAF Life Podcast.
You can always reach out there.
We have a Facebook group, LAFLife Podcast.
And don't forget to check outour website, laughlifepodcast.
(40:51):
com.
We will see you back here nextTuesday with a brand new
episode.
So until then, you guys knowwhat to do.
Keep laughing.
Kelly (41:01):
Thank you for listening.
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