June 8, 2024 • 41 mins
From enduring sexist remarks from a religious manager to witnessing blatant preferential treatment towards her male colleagues, we shed light on the hidden challenges many women face in the workplace. Our candid recounting of these experiences is a powerful reminder of the necessity for supportive and respectful management.
Ever felt overshadowed by less competent colleagues who inexplicably rise through the ranks? We dissect the insidious nature of workplace favoritism and how it undermines genuine efforts and morale. Our conversation expands to cover critical topics like diversity hires, racism, sexism, and the baffling phenomenon of "failing upwards." These discussions underscore the urgent need for a management culture that values every employee's contribution and promotes inclusivity.
Balancing work and self-care is not just essential—it's transformative. Jacob joins us to offer his invaluable insights on how to maintain this equilibrium and find joy in your professional life. As we wrap up, we extend heartfelt gratitude to everyone involved in the production of this episode and invite our listeners to follow us on Instagram and Facebook for more enriching content. Tune in for a thought-provoking episode that aims to foster better workplace practices and personal well-being.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
this is latina state of mind, a podcast created by
latinas for all audiences, wherewe can share our experiences
about love, life and everythingin between.
Hello, and welcome to anotherepisode of Latina State of Mind.
(00:35):
Hello, how are you guys?
Great, this is Senia talking toyou.
This is Diana.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
And I'm Nancy, and we have a recurring guest.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Yeah, hello.
How's it going.
I'm here too, I'm Jacob.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
And Jacob is going to help us talk about toxic
behavior in the workplace.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Never.
Never I've never happen, never,never.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
I've never heard of it.
We're going to have to look itup.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
I'm on it.
Diana's looking for some toxictraits in the workplace.
She doesn't know what that is,she can't relate Neither can I,
can you guys start with this,because maybe Nancy knows a
little bit more.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
From what I've seen, because not from what I've done,
obviously.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
I've been.
I've had really good jobs andI've had one crappy job only one
.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Yeah, oh my god.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
I used to sell vehicles, I used to sell cars
and, uh, I had.
It was all men, literally.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
The only women was me , and the cleaning lady right
First red flag, right Yep.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
No, I will give them a little credit because they
hired me for the reason of beinga little bit more diverse,
right?
Speaker 3 (01:51):
The token, but were you the only one?
Speaker 4 (01:54):
I was the Hispanic one and the female.
They got two births once.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Oh look at them go, those men Smart too Wow.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
You made it way too easy on them.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Yeah, I should have asked for more, no, but I didn't
last long at that job.
I was there for 10 months.
I was learning a lot.
I had great coworkers.
They taught me a lot.
They taught me a lot about theindustry.
They taught me a lot, even howto work with the actual devices
that I needed to open up thevehicles.
Learning about the vehicles.
It was great.
That part was great.
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What sucked were my managers.
One of them was gross.
They were both gross, butdifferently gross.
One of them was and he was soreligious, but he was so
disgusting when he was referringto women and the things that he
would say in front of me.
I'm like, if you're sayingthose things in front of me,
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what are you saying behind me?
Or what are you saying to theother males?
Speaker 3 (02:50):
um, what are you saying to yourself in your head?
Speaker 4 (02:52):
yeah, and he I know a youth pastor or something like
that.
I know he was very into thechristian religion, doing
whatever he was doing, and I'mhow are you doing this?
How do you talk to people likethat?
Anyways, he was gross sexuallyand he would always make me feel
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uncomfortable.
He would always go behind myback and scare me and I'm like
don't fucking touch me.
And he would want hugs from me.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
And I would be like.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
I know and I and I would like swerve and then give
him knuckles because I'm like no, no, I don't want to touch you,
uh.
And then the other one.
He was just gross, likephysically he would think, oh.
And I saw him cut his nails inthe workplace and I was like I
don't know if that's a, I don'tknow if that's a lot, but for me
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that was a lot that's a boldmove.
That's disgusting, that's astatement and um, they yeah,
they were both very toxic.
One of them, the gross grossone, the smelly gross one, to
differentiate them, he wouldalways prefer to help my male
co-workers first of course yeahhe, we would.
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People would come in inquiringabout vehicles.
A lot of them would ask forbasically the car fax.
We had something different, butbasically that's what the thing
, and I always like providingthem that because I'm like we
always the good thing about thisplace is that we always took in
great vehicles.
We always took care of thevehicles.
We always try to be have a lotof quality.
So I didn't mind sharing thatinformation with the, with the
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clients.
But uh, if I were to ask forthis, I needed a manager to
print this off.
If I were to ask for this, Iwould never get it.
And so I ended up befriend Iknow I ended up befriending the
service people and they wouldhelp me out all the time with
all this information.
But but I'm like but you're mysales manager, so why aren't you
not helping me out Like you'rehelping out my other coworkers
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who are males?
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Because he is a misogynist.
That's just how that works.
To simply put it yeah, it'sfucked up.
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
And it was.
I also got yelled at by anothermanager there for not knowing
certain things, and I'm likewhat.
I'm like what.
I'm new to this and I thoughtit was very inappropriate for
that to happen.
He yelled at me for not knowingcertain things and I was like I
didn't even know how to reactat that moment.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
I was just like what I think it's a toxic thing if
you're a manager and you'reyelling at your employees.
First of all, don't yell atemployees Like you're not their
parent, Like what the fuck.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
It's literally never appropriate.
There's never a situation wherethat's going to help.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Exactly Like if you're my manager and you're
yelling at me, it makes me notwant to work for you.
Like, okay, you're going toyell at me, I'm just going to
sit here and whatever I didwrong, I'm going to do it again,
just to fucking piss you off.
Like that's how that's going towork out.
No, not at all.
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
You know what else he did to me that I just
remembered.
So we had a cop come in and hewas interested in purchasing a
vehicle, like an undercovervehicle, and he specifically
gave me that client because heknew that I was Hispanic and
that there was a level ofdiscomfort between me and the
cop.
And I was like, no, you pickedthe the wrong person.
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I don't give a fuck.
But like I saw, like the Idon't know, I saw him like the
smirk in his face when he waslike, oh, he's a cop, and I was
like, okay, good for you.
I did end up selling thevehicle because the this is
information for everyone um, Ididn't end up selling the
vehicle because their gun box orwhatever chest it was too big
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for the vehicle.
Um, huh what?
Yeah, so it's gun box chest, Idon't know what to call it safe,
um, but anyways, uh, thathappened and I thought, no,
don't try to make me feeluncomfortable, don't try to do
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that to me.
I'm the wrong person to do thatkind of like intimidate you yeah
, try to intimidate me and hewas very white, he was very
trumpist, I guess I don't knowif that's the appropriate say to
appropriate word to say I thinkyou just immediately fully
described the person you'retalking about?
Speaker 2 (07:08):
I think we all white man.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
He was actually red, because for some reason he was
red, I don't know like a gingerno, he was, his skin was red he
was like sunburned.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Yeah, he was sunburned.
Maybe he had a condition Ithink racism was his.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
I think that's what it was.
That's true it.
But anyway, racism turned himred.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Would it not?
Are any of us red here?
Speaker 4 (07:49):
Nope Proven.
But yeah, that was myexperience about a toxic
workplace and that's honestly itand I'm grateful for that.
I've had other great managers,including my manager now great
managers, including my manager.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Now he, you know, even though I'm in the corporate
, corporate world, he tries tobe, he tries to manage it, make
us feel better about that worldand I appreciate that a lot
that's awesome yeah, I thinkI've had a lot of bad jobs, but
I think that the one thing I'mgonna bring up and I'm sure that
you guys have all dealt with itis, um, your co-workers not
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taking responsibility for theiractions.
Like I hate working with peoplethat like refuse to take
responsibility for their actions.
Like if you made a mistake weall make mistakes like I'm just
own it, just say, oh shoot,sorry, I didn't know that was a
thing, like I wasn't sure how todo it, instead of I didn't do
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that, when everybody knows thatthey did it I think that's for
me one of my biggest pet peeveand, like a super toxic, it
shows a lack of maturity right,yes, it's so annoying, like I
hate it, like just, if I knowhow to do it and you need help,
I'm gonna help you and I'm notgonna judge you if you're new to
this or whatever.
Let's just and that's whatyou're how to do it and you need
help, I'm going to help you andI'm not going to judge you if
you're new to this or whatever.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Let's just do it and that's what you're supposed to
do, right, because you're like ateam, exactly and when you
don't take responsibility.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
It just makes it like so annoying and so hard on
everybody else.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Yeah, and there's no trust, right, because if they
can't be accountable, then whatelse are they exactly?
Makes you wonder.
I think I've been pretty lucky,for the most part too, with
like great people.
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Um, if anything, the only thingI've seen is, um, like in
previous jobs, that perhaps,like management, needed more
training.
I think people think that justbecause you've been in a
position for a long time, thenthat qualifies you immediately
to lead other people, but thereare other qualities that that
person needs to have as well.
Yeah, but yeah, I think for themost part I've been pretty
lucky, and then I've met greatpeople like you guys so yeah, no
(09:57):
, I think I've been fortunate.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Hopefully it stays like that I think I've had a lot
of really great individualmanagers too.
My biggest problem has beenlike the company culture, kind
of eating your soul piece bypiece.
You know, like the job I hadbefore this one.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
We're a family.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
You're trying to make money and we know that Pay me
more.
My job before this one.
It was my first IT job.
I was just getting into it andI tried really hard and, like
anything they needed, I wouldlike learn it and do it and put
my best foot forward.
And they kept promoting me andgiving me these teeny tiny
raises and it got to a pointwhere I was working six days a
week, I had two phones and Ihadn't gotten a pay increase in
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any time at all.
And I looked up.
I got pushed over the edge whenI looked up, like my job title
and how much money they weresupposed to make versus how much
they were paying me.
It wasn't even on the scale.
It was like below the minimum,like by every metric yeah yeah,
it was horrible.
They abused me.
It was terrible it's, it sucks.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
How do we feel about the culture where we're not
allowed to share how much moneywe're making?
Speaker 4 (11:00):
I think it's so dumb.
Um, I had a negotiationsteacher who was like you have to
share this information.
You have to know where yourco-workers are, you have to know
where you are like.
This isn't information that youshould keep to yourself,
because that's what thecompanies want you to do.
They don't want you to beinformed and they don't.
And luckily, in the state ofcolorado, um, companies are
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required to share like a scaleor like a payment scale, but
that's not the case in everystate.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
But even then I had a job for a little while, a part
time job, and then I found outthat my male counterpart made
more money than me when I wasway better at the job.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
And what was this position if you're able to share
like a general?
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Yeah, no, it was like cleaning, oh a cleaning
position, and we had startedlike around at around the same
time and he was making moremoney than you making more money
than me, why he was also whiteoh my god, I mean, that says it
all yeah, so now we know what.
But anyways, yeah, it's, it'sinsane.
And but I've heard that so manytimes that like, oh, you can't,
like, don't disclose that, youknow it's.
Yeah, that's, it's insane andbut I've heard that so many
times that like, oh, you can't,like, don't disclose that.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
You know it's yeah, that's pervasive in like
workplace culture throughoutlike all the united states,
you're not supposed to talkabout how much money you make
it's really taboo and that'slike this is gonna sound a
little extreme.
That's just fascism.
Yeah, straight up, like you're,you're discouraging your labor
of your, of your nation, fromcommunicating and working
together and trying to supporteach other which you have to
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know that information if you'regoing to do and they just say
straight up don't do that that'sfrowned upon right, that's
oppression and that's bad.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
We need to yeah, we need to not be okay with that I
think I learned this from dianabecause she was always like um,
she always talked about thesethings with me at work and I
remember there was a time wherethey were giving us a raise in
the place that we workedtogether at and it was a super
shitty raise.
And I remember she asked melike how much I was making and I
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felt uncomfortable telling herbecause I think I've been told
not to tell people.
And then she told me she's likeit's OK to tell, like you know,
like it's fine.
And then I was like, yeah, itis fine to tell, like why
wouldn't I tell you?
And then I told her and she waslike, oh, I'm making about this
much, and like realized that Ihad a lead position and I was
only making like a dollar morethan what they were making.
(13:17):
And I was like that felt reallyshitty because I had more
responsibilities Right, BecauseI had more responsibilities
right, and so I feel I felt likeat that moment in my life it
made sense that if other peopleasked me, I'd share, so that
they knew, hey, this is how muchI make or how much you make, or
stuff like that.
But yeah, I think you're right.
Like that's such a toxic way ofhaving us live our lives.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
It's like it's really clear.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
It is directly exists so they can do things like that
to you.
Yeah, exactly what do you guysthink about favoritism at the
workplace?
Speaker 4 (13:49):
it's noticeable, I see it I see it at my workplace,
yeah, and I'm like, damn, youknow, I I don't think I'll ever.
First of all, I am not going tobe trying enough to get to that
position.
You've never been the favorite.
I've never.
Well, that's a lie.
Um, I don't.
But I will not personally goabove and beyond to become
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someone's favorite.
Okay, if someone wants me to betheir favorite, I'll accept it.
Great, thank you.
But I won't personally go outmy way to do this and I feel and
you.
It's so noticeable wheneverpeople are like do trying to get
the attention of the higher-upsin order to become um their
favorites, and I'm like, it'slike those people that don't do
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anything all day and as soon asthey see a manager, they pretend
to be doing all the things atonce click clack, click clack,
we're game I've said that somany times.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
It's embarrassing.
Don't do that.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
That's tacky it is it really is, and I'm like, and
everyone else can see it aroundyou, and then no one's gonna
like you because of that.
And yeah, I mean, if you'redoing it and if you're actually
like progressing or going out ofyour way to like take more
courses or whatever, to becomebetter, good for you, great.
But like, if you're onlypretending to, yeah, we can tell
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, we can notice it, and it lookslike crap.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
I think if you're a good manager, your whole team
should be your favorite, becauseif anyone's not your favorite,
you should be working with themto get better, supporting them
so they can do a better job, orgetting them off of your team if
they really don't want that job, and then building a team where
everybody's your favoritebecause you can depend on all of
them.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
And a team where everybody's your favorite
because you can depend on all ofthem and managers who don't do
that.
You're being lazy.
Step it up, jacob.
For president.
I think one of the worst thingis for me has been like watching
management allow, like I I'mnot a super hard worker, like I
work hard, I'll do what it what,what it takes, and sometimes
I'll go above.
It depends on the situation inthe place.
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And you know I'll try, but I'mnever not gonna do my work.
Like I'm never gonna be theperson that's gonna be like no,
I don't want to do it.
Um, unless I don't have work todo, then I'll just chill and
cruise, you know.
But, um, I think I've alwaysI've been in situations where,
like you know that there arepeople there that don't do shit,
but anytime they ask foranything, the management's like,
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oh yeah, go ahead and do it.
Oh yeah, that's fine.
And the minute you go in therelike hey, I need this, like no,
sorry, you can't.
You can't do that because theyknow you're the one that's
actually working right, and Ifeel like that has always pissed
me off to the max, because it'slike I work so hard so that
when I ask for something I canget it, or like I, I, you can
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give back to me what I give toyou, but every time I come here
it's not, like it's not the same.
So I feel like I'm not the onlyone that this happens to, and I
feel like that's one of likethe most and um annoying things
in in the workplace for me, likethere are so many people that
don't do anything and yet geteverything yeah there's a lot of
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privilege.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
I don't know where it comes from.
I don't get it.
I'm just kidding, I do get it.
I'm not gonna lie, I'm the, I'mthe I.
I don't want to say this, butI'm gonna say it.
I don't know for a fact, but Ithink I'm a diversity hire at my
workplace and I have some sortof privilege because of that.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
How do you all feel about that?
I'm really curious.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
I'm a diversity hire.
Yeah, how do you guys feel?
Speaker 2 (17:22):
How do you feel I don't mind it.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
I mean to an extent it's given me the position that
I'm currently at Right, yeah, Imean, to an extent it's given me
the position that I'm currentlyat Right, yeah, and if it's
going to help me better myself,then why not?
Speaker 2 (17:32):
I think, because we're still at a point in
society where we're not beingconsidered as much as other
races or groups, ethnicities orgroups.
You know, if that's necessaryand we take advantage of that.
I don't see it.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
It's a damn shame that it's necessary.
It is we take advantage of that?
I don't see.
It's a damn shame that it'snecessary.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
It is uh-huh.
That's the problem.
Yeah, sharing a mic is weird.
Tina and I are sharing a micyou guys are looking at each
other like anyway, is there anyother toxic things in the
workplace that you can think of?
Speaker 3 (18:10):
I mean it sucks to say that, like once you cover a
racist example and then a sexistexample, that covers like most
of it, which is pretty sad.
Yeah, um yeah, but yeah, youknow.
You know what's toxic to see.
It's toxic to see people who donot know what they're doing and
they're in a position that theydo not deserve, and they
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somehow stay there and keepmoving up and failing upwards.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
And they make so much money.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
And they make ridiculous amounts of money.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
I don't understand.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
And they're totally inept.
They're totally incompetentpeople, but they keep rising to
the top somehow, just becausethey're don't know, they got a
firm handshake and white skinand a big smile and a sorority
haircut or whatever fraternityhaircut, fraternity haircut.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
I just that's another type of uh privilege,
fraternity, haircut, no justthat bro culture yeah yeah, yeah
, bro.
We went to.
Your dad went to the samecollege that I went to.
I don't know, some shit likethat, and so for that reason,
and for that reason, and forthat reason, I'm gonna hire you.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Uh, I feel like it happens very often, um, and we
don't get to partake on that,unfortunately not yeah, because,
like, like, if you can relateto your hiring manager, if he
can look at you and see himself,then he's more likely to hire
you right, because he thinksyou're gonna do a.
If he can look at you and seehimself, then he's more likely
to hire you right, because hethinks you're going to do a good
job.
He just has this good intuitionas a leader, which is bullshit,
yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Has anyone ever, I guess, suffered or
micromanagement or been througha micromanagement?
Oh yeah, yeah, I haven'texperienced it yet but I don't
know, I hope you never do.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Yeah, but I don't know.
I hope you never do.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
Yeah, but I think my bitch face kind of like deters
that.
Talk to me, nicer, don't talkto me at all, you heard it here
first bitch face at work.
It's more about it.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
I feel like micromanaging um just shows,
like the, the insecurity thatthe manager has in themselves.
Like I feel like there's neverbeen a time where I've been
micromanaged and I'm like you'rean idiot, you don't know what
you're doing.
I know this better than you do.
I've never respected anybodythat's micromanaged me, because
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I feel like every time thatthat's happened, I know the job
better than they do.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
And then it makes you not want to do anything more.
Why?
Speaker 1 (20:26):
am I doing it.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
If you're going to come, just do it yourself.
What are we doing here?
What's the point?
Speaker 3 (20:32):
I've never seen a piece of evidence that would
suggest that micromanagingsomeone makes them more
productive.
Everyone hates it universally.
It only makes people lessproductive.
Don't do it.
You're a bad manager if youmicromanage.
Yes, only makes people lessproductive.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Don't do it, you're a bad manager if you micromanage.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Yes, stop it yeah, no , I just um no but like the
comment that I made before, like, oh, we are a family here.
It's happened to me before andI was only there for that job
for 10, uh, for 10, for threemonths as well, but they did a
little backstabby move on me.
Anyways, we won't talk aboutthat Backstabby like family does
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.
Yeah, exactly, I'm like great,thank you for showing me what
you did.
No, but I personally hate whencompanies say that sort of.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
It's manipulation.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
It's manipulation.
It's manipulation of youremotions emotions.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
It's like I don't want to be called a family.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
I want a paycheck and a steady workflow and some
recognition and that and then itfeels like a cult to me, like
at least the workplace that Iwas at that said we are a family
.
It felt like a cult yeah andyeah and I just did.
I did not want to be a part ofthat because they wanted me to
be something specific and I'mlike no once again wrong person.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
It's kind of like grooming you to be what they
want you to be and not complain,and work extra hours say
anything and just take it,because we're family, that's
what you're supposed to do?
Speaker 3 (22:01):
don't you care about me making billions of dollars,
right?
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Right.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Right and paying you a few cents, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
I'm going to get a piece of a percentage of this,
oh you know what's crazy aboutthis job too.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
So we used to get paid like shit and the manager
would tell us go donate plasmato get.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Fuck off, he did not tell you that.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
Wow, she did not tell you that she was like like go
donate plasma, uh, here this ismy code, like referral code or
some shit like that, so shewould make money oh my god, what
like an mlm.
Yeah, so you could get moneyoff of the donation.
So you can, you know,supplement your paycheck I don't
know but then also use her codeso she could get some sort of
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referral earnings.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
That is insane.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
That's actually bonkers, is that?
Speaker 4 (22:54):
legal?
I have no idea.
No, jerome said no, it doesn'tsound legal.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
It doesn't sound legal Right.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
She used to do this to us.
She used to tell us thesethings.
That is crazy.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Instead of us paying an an appropriate wage like no,
go donate plasma and then alsoI'm gonna be making money off of
you doing that, because you'renot getting enough money and
pass along that referral codeplease.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
Thank you, disclaimer .
I don't think latina state ofmind has anything against
donating plasma.
If you want to do that, that'stotally great, please go do that
.
Yeah, I've done it before, sothat she can make money off of
you, maybe question it yeah, Itried it definitely tried it
once.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
Never again.
It gave me a like a big needle.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Yeah, a ton of anxiety.
Yeah, really, I've done it afew times I, I just it was.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
There was just a lot of people there and uh, yeah, it
was a lot, it was a lot for meand I never I went once never
again, but good for you if youdo it yeah actually it's like
changing lives, yeah, but likebeing not pressured to do this,
but like kind of being pressuredto do this to like get some
extra income.
Yeah, that was a.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
That was a fucked up part yeah what a disrespectful
thing to tell to your employees.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
Oh my gosh oh, and so this is at a credit union.
Uh, and she would tell peopleclients to do this too, or
members?
I guess they're consideredmembers hustling and give her
code.
I don't think she would providethat, but she would tell like,
for example, instead of likecrediting a late fee, she would
be like yeah, just go.
If you need some extra funds,just just go do this.
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That's shitty.
She was not great.
I was there for three monthsfor a reason.
Wow, I hate this woman.
That's crazy.
The credit union itself wasgreat for the members, but she
was fucked up.
She was really fucked up.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
I had a manager once that anytime anybody had any
opinions about like or like, forexample, I said I had a bad
back, and she would always belike oh, my back is terrible.
And somebody said, I'm allergicto something.
Oh, I'm allergic to that too.
And then this lady was like oh,I have asthma.
(25:04):
Oh, I have asthma too, I saidanybody that had any disease or
any problem, any body, anything.
She had that too, and so oneday we sat there and counted it
and it was like 25 things thatwere wrong with her, because
everybody in the place 26, withlike a mental health, because
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everybody in the place that weworked at had, like just
mentioned, like lied mentionedsomething that was wrong with
them and she was like oh yeah,that's wrong with me too, that's
crazy.
Yeah, she would just walk aroundlike sick all the time and she
would call out sick all the timeand I was just like are you
okay?
Like something's not right withyou.
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But yeah, she was always sick.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
She's allergic to life.
It's unfortunate that thesepeople get put in like somehow
they make it into positions ofpower.
Yeah, like I don't know exactlyhow, but like they somehow make
it.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
Their parents.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
Yeah, and they stay there too.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
And they get ignored enough to stay there.
There, yeah, just somehow flyunder the radar.
I was just gonna say it makessuch a big difference when you
have a manager who's doing agood job, like it makes you it
makes you want to do a good job,right yes, and I've had.
I've been like so lucky thatI've had people who believe in
me more than I believe in myselfsometimes that have led me to
think for better opportunities,game changer.
I don't understand why peoplewouldn't want that for others
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everyone would be moreproductive if we had like
positive, charismatic leaderswho wanted us to succeed.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Yeah, yeah anyway, I think there's a lot of like um
and envy, maybe in the workplace, or like people not wanting
other people to succeed.
I feel like that's why we don'thave better managers, because
you have to be a certain kind ofperson to want your the people
that you that work for you to beat the next level.
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I feel like as a manager, likeI know that there are some
people that will never have abetter job than what they have
and they feel maybe less than so.
They don't want to help theiremployees to be better or to
learn or to gatekeeping.
Yeah, I think that's a lot ofgatekeeping.
But you're right, like if youhave somebody that's like
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pushing you to do the best youcan, then that makes you want to
like go further and then youget a better job, and then you
you know, right, you don't wantto leave that manager, obviously
, but then they help you get tothose opportunities that
otherwise you wouldn't get to.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
so I feel like a lot of times management doesn't,
doesn't help you out because oftheir own insecurities, right,
and because they don't want tolose a good employee yes, no,
but actually I'm glad youbrought that point up because I,
um, I, my current manager,we've had a lot of great
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employees, um, and they haveleft to other better positions
and he has guided theseemployees to the better position
.
And even us, like I, have beeninterested in the investigation
part of the brokerage firm andhe's been like you know, like if
you want to, you can set up ameeting with one of these people
.
You won't be able to do like,you won't be able to move the
(28:18):
position right now because theother, I guess, department
doesn't have the availability,they don't have the open
positions.
But I'm like, but he's like youcan start, you can start
knowing about this and if youstart getting to know the other
people, then they're going toconsider you a fit position if a
position does open up.
But that I'm glad that youbrought that point up because it
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makes a difference.
A good person, a good manager,will make a difference in your
life and they just do it becausethey want to help, because they
that's what they're.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
That's what they're there for yeah, I've also had
people make me feel guilty forwanting better for myself.
What do you mean like thatright, like looking for better
opportunities or whatever?
I've been like super lucky tohave people who encourage me and
help me and guide me, but I'vealso had people who make me feel
guilty for wanting a betterlife than what I have oh you're
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gonna leave me behind.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
Oh you're gonna.
You're gonna be some goodytwo-shoes yeah, that's
unfortunate.
Yeah, we'll suck that's, that'stoxic family dynamic why do we?
Speaker 4 (29:25):
always cover toxicity , just kidding, why not?
Why not?
Speaker 3 (29:30):
So hey, sinea, you were saying earlier there was a
thing that we were going to talkabout.
I think we're done.
I think we said not today, nottoday, just going to skip it.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
You want to share final thoughts about toxic
behavior in the workplace?
Speaker 3 (29:42):
No, I don't, because you know what time it is.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
I hate that you caught on to me, don't listen to
them, don't manipulate you.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
Oh man.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
What pissed you off?
Speaker 4 (30:05):
Man, part three.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
Part three.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
We are obviously going to talk about what's his
name.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Dick Nose McGee.
Dick Nose McGee.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
Harrison Buttlicker.
He is part of the Kansas CityChiefs.
I don't know what they do.
They kick stuff.
He kicks.
Yeah, he is a kicker.
Anyways, he recently graduationseason Congrats to all the
graduates.
Go, you guys.
Um.
But he made a very disturbingspeech.
And what a commencement speech.
And granted, I guess it was ata catholic school, but still
(30:38):
doesn't give him the right totalk about other people.
But basically he said um, letme go back to it.
Um, you guys women have beendiabolically lie to lie to that
you know your career is notgoing to be fulfilling enough
that you're never going to be.
(30:59):
Um, it's yeah.
Basically, you've spent a shitton of money, you spent a lot of
time to complete this, butguess what?
You know what's going tofulfill you being a mom?
being a homebody, be a homemaker, being a mom, being a parent,
babysitting your husband andyour kids that's what's gonna
fulfill you.
(31:19):
Yeah, and you know what?
To some women it might, yeah,but don't first of all a man
talking about these feelings toother people.
How dare you, how dare he?
And his mom is a physicist.
His mom is like why didn't alittle bit of her intelligence
pass on to this individual?
(31:42):
yeah, that's my little rant, Idon't think it's first of all.
Uh, what's his position?
A kicker at a football teamwhere he may or may not have cte
?
Um, commenting on thelivelihood and of women yeah,
maybe some repressed emotions inthere yeah work through.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
Maybe he got rejected a few times what is?
Speaker 4 (32:06):
because he's a piece of shit but I mean that's on him
yeah, yeah why did he do thatto himself, right, yeah, but
anyways, I'm just mad at that Ithink I've been so.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
I love tiktok and I've been watching all the
tiktoks about this guy and um,it's just upsetting that another
man is sitting there tellingwomen how to live their lives,
whatever.
Um, but just it's so.
Yeah, pick the bear exactly it'sso annoying to have to hear
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this over and over and overagain from these men that think
they know best because they'remen.
That's, that's basically theonly reason why he has an
opinion, or what he thinks hecan share an opinion, about what
women should be doing, becausehe's a man and in his Bible and
in his belief he's better thanwomen.
And and we're being lied todiabolically because we are not
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listening to this man Fuck youguy.
That's all I have to say aboutyou.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
I think I think this guy is totally not serious.
I think he doesn't believe anyof that shit and I think he just
knows it's a popular thing tosay and he's going to get
trending on TikTok and he'sgoing to go crazy with it and
that's what he did.
And I think he's worse thanjust a misogynist.
He's like a selfish greedyasshole because, he's spreading
(33:30):
a terrible message that's goingto be used to further these
flames of oppressing women forhis own personal benefit and his
own personal hashtags on socialmedia and stuff, and it's gross
.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
I wonder if he's going to be running for
something.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
He might be starting a podcast.
He might be going for politicaloffice.
Speaker 4 (33:49):
Watch out, because he's going to try to monetize
this.
That's unfortunate.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Sorry, took dana's microphone as she was saying.
That's unfortunate, but I wasjust gonna say, like I think
someone, there are so many womenthat live in in relationships
where they they're being um hurtby men who believe this
bullshit that this guy isfeeding.
So, like you said, you know,this is just gonna add to that
(34:18):
fire of you.
See, like you don't need, youdon't need a college degree, you
don't need to educate yourself.
You only need me yeah, exactly,you just need a man to fulfill
you and babies and you know what, as a mother and a wife, that
is very fulfilling and I lovebeing a mother and I love being
a wife, but I'm I also lovebeing my own person and I also
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love going to school and I alsolove everything else that I do
as a woman.
Um, so yeah, it's just.
It's so sad that we still haveto hear this bullshit at this
day and age it's so interesting,then like how is it not
fulfilling for you?
Speaker 2 (34:56):
what does that say about you?
If you think that only the wifeis getting fulfillment
fulfillment out of having kidsin a marriage right like where's
your empathy?
Speaker 3 (35:04):
don't you want to like like, love your child?
Speaker 2 (35:06):
and keep a clean home .
And what are you?
What are you talking about?
Speaker 4 (35:10):
it's, yeah, yeah, it's insane and I'm so glad that
you are fulfilled by this.
But you made that choice rightright like it wasn't someone
else telling you to do this.
It wasn't your husband tellingyou to do this.
I don't think he would ever dothat exactly.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
But I mean, he's smart, yeah, and he's caring and
he's compassionate, but I wouldhave never married a man that,
but I would have never married aman that would have tried to
tell me how to live my life orhow to be fulfilled in my life.
That's why him and I work sowell, because we both would
never try to tell each other howto live each other's life.
Instead, we live our livestogether and we enjoy it and we
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love each other.
Yeah, it goes back to choiceChoice.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
Yeah, that's the whole core problem with this.
This asshole is that, like you,can't ever tell people how they
should live their lives justbecause they're a woman like
that's.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
You can never tell someone what to do, but
especially not on the basis oflike sex, like what yeah shitty
ass person shitty ass person Iagree yeah, and it's really
unfortunate too, because a lotof women are stuck in
relationships because of thesame issue that they don't have
any financial freedom, andunfortunately, unfortunately,
(36:22):
their males are the ones who arethe income earners, they are
the ones who bring in the bread,I guess.
But it's very unfortunate, andso to put more women in this
position, or to state that womenshould be stuck in this
position, it's very, uh, verydisheartening yeah, damaging,
damaging as a whole, exactly,it's pretty mask off right like
(36:45):
you get to see this guy for whohe really is and what he you
know, like if he doesn't careabout that problem getting worse
?
Speaker 3 (36:52):
what does he care about?
Speaker 4 (36:53):
Doesn't care about much.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
Obviously, unfortunately, yeah, okay, but
like you can be a Christian manand love God and be respectful
to women and their choices.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
You just added to my fire.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Yes, you can, and there are a lot of men that are
Christian and believe in God andlove women and respect women,
they're good men that are good,good men, but unfortunately
there are also men that use Godin the Bible to oppress and hurt
women, and in this case I 100%believe that this is hate speech
(37:34):
and this is what this man isdoing so I agree 100, 100 emoji
thank you for raging with metoday, you guys did great and
fuck this guy.
Yep, I agree friend, are youextra mad because he brought in
Taylor Swift into his speech andnot even mentioned her?
(37:55):
He was like my teammate'sgirlfriend.
Did you see that?
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, everything he said was upsetting
.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
Yeah, Like don't take him seriously.
He talked about pride.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
He talked about women .
He talked about, you know, justthe unnecessary.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
And then he brought up a quote, a taylor swift quote
on his speech and he was like,as my teammates girlfriend would
say, he like wouldn't mentionher name.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
What I did see was that I'm no swifty, but that's
still really dumb stupid thatthis is the second time he's
given a commencement speech atthat school and the last time
wasn't very different, so that'swhat I then.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
The school has a problem and people need to stop
going to that school yeah let'sboycott that school then speak
with your money, folks yeah,exactly, exactly closing
thoughts be a good manager be agood manager encourage your
teammates help people grow shareyour salary information.
Speaker 4 (38:50):
Share your precision precision information Share your
salary.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
That too why?
Speaker 1 (38:56):
not Spread the wealth .
Speaker 4 (38:57):
If you want, I will be providing Zelle information.
If you want to share your,where's my Venmo?
I don't have Venmo, but youguys have Venmo.
Right, we have Venmo.
Beautiful, we have Venmo.
We'll be accepting everyoneelse's salary.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
S-O-M underscore cash out.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
No, but really share that information, Don't keep it
to yourself.
They want you to keep it toyourself, but don't do it, yep.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
Yeah, just try to find a place that makes you
happy and hopefully helps you.
You know, earn enough money toprovide for yourself and if you
have a family, your family orwhatever you want to do.
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One thing I've learned aboutany job, no matter how good the
job is, is that you arereplaceable?
Speaker 1 (39:45):
oh yes, do not give your life to any job you don't
give your health to any job.
Use your pto, use your benefitsdon't feel guilty because at
the end of the day, the the dayyou leave that job, they're
going to replace you quickly.
If you pass away, they're notgoing to wait.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
They're not going to skip a beat.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
They're not going to skip a beat their company is
their company, and you're justone more number, and so I hate
to say it that way, but yourmental health and your health is
more important than any job.
So do the work that you need todo, enjoy it as much as you can
, but take care of yourself lookout for yourself?
Absolutely, yeah, and thank youfor listening.
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And thank you, jacob, forhanging out with us.
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
I'm so happy to be, here and come back to us anytime
.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
You're welcome.
Bye Love you.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
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Mind Produced by us.
Your awesome hosts Diana, xeniaand Nancy Special shout out to.
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about love, life and everythingin between.
Hello, and welcome to anotherepisode of Latina State of Mind.
(00:35):
Hello, how are you guys?
Great, this is Senia talking toyou.
This is Diana.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
And I'm Nancy, and we have a recurring guest.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Yeah, hello.
How's it going.
I'm here too, I'm Jacob.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
And Jacob is going to help us talk about toxic
behavior in the workplace.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Never.
Never I've never happen, never,never.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
I've never heard of it.
We're going to have to look itup.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
I'm on it.
Diana's looking for some toxictraits in the workplace.
She doesn't know what that is,she can't relate Neither can I,
can you guys start with this,because maybe Nancy knows a
little bit more.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
From what I've seen, because not from what I've done,
obviously.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
I've been.
I've had really good jobs andI've had one crappy job only one
.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Yeah, oh my god.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
I used to sell vehicles, I used to sell cars
and, uh, I had.
It was all men, literally.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
The only women was me , and the cleaning lady right
First red flag, right Yep.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
No, I will give them a little credit because they
hired me for the reason of beinga little bit more diverse,
right?
Speaker 3 (01:51):
The token, but were you the only one?
Speaker 4 (01:54):
I was the Hispanic one and the female.
They got two births once.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Oh look at them go, those men Smart too Wow.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
You made it way too easy on them.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Yeah, I should have asked for more, no, but I didn't
last long at that job.
I was there for 10 months.
I was learning a lot.
I had great coworkers.
They taught me a lot.
They taught me a lot about theindustry.
They taught me a lot, even howto work with the actual devices
that I needed to open up thevehicles.
Learning about the vehicles.
It was great.
That part was great.
(02:25):
What sucked were my managers.
One of them was gross.
They were both gross, butdifferently gross.
One of them was and he was soreligious, but he was so
disgusting when he was referringto women and the things that he
would say in front of me.
I'm like, if you're sayingthose things in front of me,
(02:46):
what are you saying behind me?
Or what are you saying to theother males?
Speaker 3 (02:50):
um, what are you saying to yourself in your head?
Speaker 4 (02:52):
yeah, and he I know a youth pastor or something like
that.
I know he was very into thechristian religion, doing
whatever he was doing, and I'mhow are you doing this?
How do you talk to people likethat?
Anyways, he was gross sexuallyand he would always make me feel
(03:12):
uncomfortable.
He would always go behind myback and scare me and I'm like
don't fucking touch me.
And he would want hugs from me.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
And I would be like.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
I know and I and I would like swerve and then give
him knuckles because I'm like no, no, I don't want to touch you,
uh.
And then the other one.
He was just gross, likephysically he would think, oh.
And I saw him cut his nails inthe workplace and I was like I
don't know if that's a, I don'tknow if that's a lot, but for me
(03:45):
that was a lot that's a boldmove.
That's disgusting, that's astatement and um, they yeah,
they were both very toxic.
One of them, the gross grossone, the smelly gross one, to
differentiate them, he wouldalways prefer to help my male
co-workers first of course yeahhe, we would.
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People would come in inquiringabout vehicles.
A lot of them would ask forbasically the car fax.
We had something different, butbasically that's what the thing
, and I always like providingthem that because I'm like we
always the good thing about thisplace is that we always took in
great vehicles.
We always took care of thevehicles.
We always try to be have a lotof quality.
So I didn't mind sharing thatinformation with the, with the
(04:28):
clients.
But uh, if I were to ask forthis, I needed a manager to
print this off.
If I were to ask for this, Iwould never get it.
And so I ended up befriend Iknow I ended up befriending the
service people and they wouldhelp me out all the time with
all this information.
But but I'm like but you're mysales manager, so why aren't you
not helping me out Like you'rehelping out my other coworkers
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who are males?
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Because he is a misogynist.
That's just how that works.
To simply put it yeah, it'sfucked up.
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
And it was.
I also got yelled at by anothermanager there for not knowing
certain things, and I'm likewhat.
I'm like what.
I'm new to this and I thoughtit was very inappropriate for
that to happen.
He yelled at me for not knowingcertain things and I was like I
didn't even know how to reactat that moment.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
I was just like what I think it's a toxic thing if
you're a manager and you'reyelling at your employees.
First of all, don't yell atemployees Like you're not their
parent, Like what the fuck.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
It's literally never appropriate.
There's never a situation wherethat's going to help.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Exactly Like if you're my manager and you're
yelling at me, it makes me notwant to work for you.
Like, okay, you're going toyell at me, I'm just going to
sit here and whatever I didwrong, I'm going to do it again,
just to fucking piss you off.
Like that's how that's going towork out.
No, not at all.
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
You know what else he did to me that I just
remembered.
So we had a cop come in and hewas interested in purchasing a
vehicle, like an undercovervehicle, and he specifically
gave me that client because heknew that I was Hispanic and
that there was a level ofdiscomfort between me and the
cop.
And I was like, no, you pickedthe the wrong person.
(06:06):
I don't give a fuck.
But like I saw, like the Idon't know, I saw him like the
smirk in his face when he waslike, oh, he's a cop, and I was
like, okay, good for you.
I did end up selling thevehicle because the this is
information for everyone um, Ididn't end up selling the
vehicle because their gun box orwhatever chest it was too big
(06:31):
for the vehicle.
Um, huh what?
Yeah, so it's gun box chest, Idon't know what to call it safe,
um, but anyways, uh, thathappened and I thought, no,
don't try to make me feeluncomfortable, don't try to do
(06:51):
that to me.
I'm the wrong person to do thatkind of like intimidate you yeah
, try to intimidate me and hewas very white, he was very
trumpist, I guess I don't knowif that's the appropriate say to
appropriate word to say I thinkyou just immediately fully
described the person you'retalking about?
Speaker 2 (07:08):
I think we all white man.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
He was actually red, because for some reason he was
red, I don't know like a gingerno, he was, his skin was red he
was like sunburned.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Yeah, he was sunburned.
Maybe he had a condition Ithink racism was his.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
I think that's what it was.
That's true it.
But anyway, racism turned himred.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Would it not?
Are any of us red here?
Speaker 4 (07:49):
Nope Proven.
But yeah, that was myexperience about a toxic
workplace and that's honestly itand I'm grateful for that.
I've had other great managers,including my manager now great
managers, including my manager.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Now he, you know, even though I'm in the corporate
, corporate world, he tries tobe, he tries to manage it, make
us feel better about that worldand I appreciate that a lot
that's awesome yeah, I thinkI've had a lot of bad jobs, but
I think that the one thing I'mgonna bring up and I'm sure that
you guys have all dealt with itis, um, your co-workers not
(08:27):
taking responsibility for theiractions.
Like I hate working with peoplethat like refuse to take
responsibility for their actions.
Like if you made a mistake weall make mistakes like I'm just
own it, just say, oh shoot,sorry, I didn't know that was a
thing, like I wasn't sure how todo it, instead of I didn't do
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that, when everybody knows thatthey did it I think that's for
me one of my biggest pet peeveand, like a super toxic, it
shows a lack of maturity right,yes, it's so annoying, like I
hate it, like just, if I knowhow to do it and you need help,
I'm gonna help you and I'm notgonna judge you if you're new to
this or whatever.
Let's just and that's whatyou're how to do it and you need
help, I'm going to help you andI'm not going to judge you if
you're new to this or whatever.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Let's just do it and that's what you're supposed to
do, right, because you're like ateam, exactly and when you
don't take responsibility.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
It just makes it like so annoying and so hard on
everybody else.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Yeah, and there's no trust, right, because if they
can't be accountable, then whatelse are they exactly?
Makes you wonder.
I think I've been pretty lucky,for the most part too, with
like great people.
(09:37):
Um, if anything, the only thingI've seen is, um, like in
previous jobs, that perhaps,like management, needed more
training.
I think people think that justbecause you've been in a
position for a long time, thenthat qualifies you immediately
to lead other people, but thereare other qualities that that
person needs to have as well.
Yeah, but yeah, I think for themost part I've been pretty
lucky, and then I've met greatpeople like you guys so yeah, no
(09:57):
, I think I've been fortunate.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Hopefully it stays like that I think I've had a lot
of really great individualmanagers too.
My biggest problem has beenlike the company culture, kind
of eating your soul piece bypiece.
You know, like the job I hadbefore this one.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
We're a family.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
You're trying to make money and we know that Pay me
more.
My job before this one.
It was my first IT job.
I was just getting into it andI tried really hard and, like
anything they needed, I wouldlike learn it and do it and put
my best foot forward.
And they kept promoting me andgiving me these teeny tiny
raises and it got to a pointwhere I was working six days a
week, I had two phones and Ihadn't gotten a pay increase in
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any time at all.
And I looked up.
I got pushed over the edge whenI looked up, like my job title
and how much money they weresupposed to make versus how much
they were paying me.
It wasn't even on the scale.
It was like below the minimum,like by every metric yeah yeah,
it was horrible.
They abused me.
It was terrible it's, it sucks.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
How do we feel about the culture where we're not
allowed to share how much moneywe're making?
Speaker 4 (11:00):
I think it's so dumb.
Um, I had a negotiationsteacher who was like you have to
share this information.
You have to know where yourco-workers are, you have to know
where you are like.
This isn't information that youshould keep to yourself,
because that's what thecompanies want you to do.
They don't want you to beinformed and they don't.
And luckily, in the state ofcolorado, um, companies are
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required to share like a scaleor like a payment scale, but
that's not the case in everystate.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
But even then I had a job for a little while, a part
time job, and then I found outthat my male counterpart made
more money than me when I wasway better at the job.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
And what was this position if you're able to share
like a general?
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Yeah, no, it was like cleaning, oh a cleaning
position, and we had startedlike around at around the same
time and he was making moremoney than you making more money
than me, why he was also whiteoh my god, I mean, that says it
all yeah, so now we know what.
But anyways, yeah, it's, it'sinsane.
And but I've heard that so manytimes that like, oh, you can't,
like, don't disclose that, youknow it's.
Yeah, that's, it's insane andbut I've heard that so many
times that like, oh, you can't,like, don't disclose that.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
You know it's yeah, that's pervasive in like
workplace culture throughoutlike all the united states,
you're not supposed to talkabout how much money you make
it's really taboo and that'slike this is gonna sound a
little extreme.
That's just fascism.
Yeah, straight up, like you're,you're discouraging your labor
of your, of your nation, fromcommunicating and working
together and trying to supporteach other which you have to
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know that information if you'regoing to do and they just say
straight up don't do that that'sfrowned upon right, that's
oppression and that's bad.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
We need to yeah, we need to not be okay with that I
think I learned this from dianabecause she was always like um,
she always talked about thesethings with me at work and I
remember there was a time wherethey were giving us a raise in
the place that we workedtogether at and it was a super
shitty raise.
And I remember she asked melike how much I was making and I
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felt uncomfortable telling herbecause I think I've been told
not to tell people.
And then she told me she's likeit's OK to tell, like you know,
like it's fine.
And then I was like, yeah, itis fine to tell, like why
wouldn't I tell you?
And then I told her and she waslike, oh, I'm making about this
much, and like realized that Ihad a lead position and I was
only making like a dollar morethan what they were making.
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And I was like that felt reallyshitty because I had more
responsibilities Right, BecauseI had more responsibilities
right, and so I feel I felt likeat that moment in my life it
made sense that if other peopleasked me, I'd share, so that
they knew, hey, this is how muchI make or how much you make, or
stuff like that.
But yeah, I think you're right.
Like that's such a toxic way ofhaving us live our lives.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
It's like it's really clear.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
It is directly exists so they can do things like that
to you.
Yeah, exactly what do you guysthink about favoritism at the
workplace?
Speaker 4 (13:49):
it's noticeable, I see it I see it at my workplace,
yeah, and I'm like, damn, youknow, I I don't think I'll ever.
First of all, I am not going tobe trying enough to get to that
position.
You've never been the favorite.
I've never.
Well, that's a lie.
Um, I don't.
But I will not personally goabove and beyond to become
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someone's favorite.
Okay, if someone wants me to betheir favorite, I'll accept it.
Great, thank you.
But I won't personally go outmy way to do this and I feel and
you.
It's so noticeable wheneverpeople are like do trying to get
the attention of the higher-upsin order to become um their
favorites, and I'm like, it'slike those people that don't do
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anything all day and as soon asthey see a manager, they pretend
to be doing all the things atonce click clack, click clack,
we're game I've said that somany times.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
It's embarrassing.
Don't do that.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
That's tacky it is it really is, and I'm like, and
everyone else can see it aroundyou, and then no one's gonna
like you because of that.
And yeah, I mean, if you'redoing it and if you're actually
like progressing or going out ofyour way to like take more
courses or whatever, to becomebetter, good for you, great.
But like, if you're onlypretending to, yeah, we can tell
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, we can notice it, and it lookslike crap.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
I think if you're a good manager, your whole team
should be your favorite, becauseif anyone's not your favorite,
you should be working with themto get better, supporting them
so they can do a better job, orgetting them off of your team if
they really don't want that job, and then building a team where
everybody's your favoritebecause you can depend on all of
them.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
And a team where everybody's your favorite
because you can depend on all ofthem and managers who don't do
that.
You're being lazy.
Step it up, jacob.
For president.
I think one of the worst thingis for me has been like watching
management allow, like I I'mnot a super hard worker, like I
work hard, I'll do what it what,what it takes, and sometimes
I'll go above.
It depends on the situation inthe place.
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And you know I'll try, but I'mnever not gonna do my work.
Like I'm never gonna be theperson that's gonna be like no,
I don't want to do it.
Um, unless I don't have work todo, then I'll just chill and
cruise, you know.
But, um, I think I've alwaysI've been in situations where,
like you know that there arepeople there that don't do shit,
but anytime they ask foranything, the management's like,
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oh yeah, go ahead and do it.
Oh yeah, that's fine.
And the minute you go in therelike hey, I need this, like no,
sorry, you can't.
You can't do that because theyknow you're the one that's
actually working right, and Ifeel like that has always pissed
me off to the max, because it'slike I work so hard so that
when I ask for something I canget it, or like I, I, you can
(16:37):
give back to me what I give toyou, but every time I come here
it's not, like it's not the same.
So I feel like I'm not the onlyone that this happens to, and I
feel like that's one of likethe most and um annoying things
in in the workplace for me, likethere are so many people that
don't do anything and yet geteverything yeah there's a lot of
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privilege.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
I don't know where it comes from.
I don't get it.
I'm just kidding, I do get it.
I'm not gonna lie, I'm the, I'mthe I.
I don't want to say this, butI'm gonna say it.
I don't know for a fact, but Ithink I'm a diversity hire at my
workplace and I have some sortof privilege because of that.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
How do you all feel about that?
I'm really curious.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
I'm a diversity hire.
Yeah, how do you guys feel?
Speaker 2 (17:22):
How do you feel I don't mind it.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
I mean to an extent it's given me the position that
I'm currently at Right, yeah, Imean, to an extent it's given me
the position that I'm currentlyat Right, yeah, and if it's
going to help me better myself,then why not?
Speaker 2 (17:32):
I think, because we're still at a point in
society where we're not beingconsidered as much as other
races or groups, ethnicities orgroups.
You know, if that's necessaryand we take advantage of that.
I don't see it.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
It's a damn shame that it's necessary.
It is we take advantage of that?
I don't see.
It's a damn shame that it'snecessary.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
It is uh-huh.
That's the problem.
Yeah, sharing a mic is weird.
Tina and I are sharing a micyou guys are looking at each
other like anyway, is there anyother toxic things in the
workplace that you can think of?
Speaker 3 (18:10):
I mean it sucks to say that, like once you cover a
racist example and then a sexistexample, that covers like most
of it, which is pretty sad.
Yeah, um yeah, but yeah, youknow.
You know what's toxic to see.
It's toxic to see people who donot know what they're doing and
they're in a position that theydo not deserve, and they
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somehow stay there and keepmoving up and failing upwards.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
And they make so much money.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
And they make ridiculous amounts of money.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
I don't understand.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
And they're totally inept.
They're totally incompetentpeople, but they keep rising to
the top somehow, just becausethey're don't know, they got a
firm handshake and white skinand a big smile and a sorority
haircut or whatever fraternityhaircut, fraternity haircut.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
I just that's another type of uh privilege,
fraternity, haircut, no justthat bro culture yeah yeah, yeah
, bro.
We went to.
Your dad went to the samecollege that I went to.
I don't know, some shit likethat, and so for that reason,
and for that reason, and forthat reason, I'm gonna hire you.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Uh, I feel like it happens very often, um, and we
don't get to partake on that,unfortunately not yeah, because,
like, like, if you can relateto your hiring manager, if he
can look at you and see himself,then he's more likely to hire
you right, because he thinksyou're gonna do a.
If he can look at you and seehimself, then he's more likely
to hire you right, because hethinks you're going to do a good
job.
He just has this good intuitionas a leader, which is bullshit,
yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Has anyone ever, I guess, suffered or
micromanagement or been througha micromanagement?
Oh yeah, yeah, I haven'texperienced it yet but I don't
know, I hope you never do.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Yeah, but I don't know.
I hope you never do.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
Yeah, but I think my bitch face kind of like deters
that.
Talk to me, nicer, don't talkto me at all, you heard it here
first bitch face at work.
It's more about it.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
I feel like micromanaging um just shows,
like the, the insecurity thatthe manager has in themselves.
Like I feel like there's neverbeen a time where I've been
micromanaged and I'm like you'rean idiot, you don't know what
you're doing.
I know this better than you do.
I've never respected anybodythat's micromanaged me, because
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I feel like every time thatthat's happened, I know the job
better than they do.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
And then it makes you not want to do anything more.
Why?
Speaker 1 (20:26):
am I doing it.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
If you're going to come, just do it yourself.
What are we doing here?
What's the point?
Speaker 3 (20:32):
I've never seen a piece of evidence that would
suggest that micromanagingsomeone makes them more
productive.
Everyone hates it universally.
It only makes people lessproductive.
Don't do it.
You're a bad manager if youmicromanage.
Yes, only makes people lessproductive.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Don't do it, you're a bad manager if you micromanage.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Yes, stop it yeah, no , I just um no but like the
comment that I made before, like, oh, we are a family here.
It's happened to me before andI was only there for that job
for 10, uh, for 10, for threemonths as well, but they did a
little backstabby move on me.
Anyways, we won't talk aboutthat Backstabby like family does
(21:15):
.
Yeah, exactly, I'm like great,thank you for showing me what
you did.
No, but I personally hate whencompanies say that sort of.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
It's manipulation.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
It's manipulation.
It's manipulation of youremotions emotions.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
It's like I don't want to be called a family.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
I want a paycheck and a steady workflow and some
recognition and that and then itfeels like a cult to me, like
at least the workplace that Iwas at that said we are a family
.
It felt like a cult yeah andyeah and I just did.
I did not want to be a part ofthat because they wanted me to
be something specific and I'mlike no once again wrong person.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
It's kind of like grooming you to be what they
want you to be and not complain,and work extra hours say
anything and just take it,because we're family, that's
what you're supposed to do?
Speaker 3 (22:01):
don't you care about me making billions of dollars,
right?
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Right.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Right and paying you a few cents, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
I'm going to get a piece of a percentage of this,
oh you know what's crazy aboutthis job too.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
So we used to get paid like shit and the manager
would tell us go donate plasmato get.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Fuck off, he did not tell you that.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
Wow, she did not tell you that she was like like go
donate plasma, uh, here this ismy code, like referral code or
some shit like that, so shewould make money oh my god, what
like an mlm.
Yeah, so you could get moneyoff of the donation.
So you can, you know,supplement your paycheck I don't
know but then also use her codeso she could get some sort of
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referral earnings.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
That is insane.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
That's actually bonkers, is that?
Speaker 4 (22:54):
legal?
I have no idea.
No, jerome said no, it doesn'tsound legal.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
It doesn't sound legal Right.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
She used to do this to us.
She used to tell us thesethings.
That is crazy.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Instead of us paying an an appropriate wage like no,
go donate plasma and then alsoI'm gonna be making money off of
you doing that, because you'renot getting enough money and
pass along that referral codeplease.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
Thank you, disclaimer .
I don't think latina state ofmind has anything against
donating plasma.
If you want to do that, that'stotally great, please go do that
.
Yeah, I've done it before, sothat she can make money off of
you, maybe question it yeah, Itried it definitely tried it
once.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
Never again.
It gave me a like a big needle.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Yeah, a ton of anxiety.
Yeah, really, I've done it afew times I, I just it was.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
There was just a lot of people there and uh, yeah, it
was a lot, it was a lot for meand I never I went once never
again, but good for you if youdo it yeah actually it's like
changing lives, yeah, but likebeing not pressured to do this,
but like kind of being pressuredto do this to like get some
extra income.
Yeah, that was a.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
That was a fucked up part yeah what a disrespectful
thing to tell to your employees.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
Oh my gosh oh, and so this is at a credit union.
Uh, and she would tell peopleclients to do this too, or
members?
I guess they're consideredmembers hustling and give her
code.
I don't think she would providethat, but she would tell like,
for example, instead of likecrediting a late fee, she would
be like yeah, just go.
If you need some extra funds,just just go do this.
(24:25):
That's shitty.
She was not great.
I was there for three monthsfor a reason.
Wow, I hate this woman.
That's crazy.
The credit union itself wasgreat for the members, but she
was fucked up.
She was really fucked up.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
I had a manager once that anytime anybody had any
opinions about like or like, forexample, I said I had a bad
back, and she would always belike oh, my back is terrible.
And somebody said, I'm allergicto something.
Oh, I'm allergic to that too.
And then this lady was like oh,I have asthma.
(25:04):
Oh, I have asthma too, I saidanybody that had any disease or
any problem, any body, anything.
She had that too, and so oneday we sat there and counted it
and it was like 25 things thatwere wrong with her, because
everybody in the place 26, withlike a mental health, because
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everybody in the place that weworked at had, like just
mentioned, like lied mentionedsomething that was wrong with
them and she was like oh yeah,that's wrong with me too, that's
crazy.
Yeah, she would just walk aroundlike sick all the time and she
would call out sick all the timeand I was just like are you
okay?
Like something's not right withyou.
(25:45):
But yeah, she was always sick.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
She's allergic to life.
It's unfortunate that thesepeople get put in like somehow
they make it into positions ofpower.
Yeah, like I don't know exactlyhow, but like they somehow make
it.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
Their parents.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
Yeah, and they stay there too.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
And they get ignored enough to stay there.
There, yeah, just somehow flyunder the radar.
I was just gonna say it makessuch a big difference when you
have a manager who's doing agood job, like it makes you it
makes you want to do a good job,right yes, and I've had.
I've been like so lucky thatI've had people who believe in
me more than I believe in myselfsometimes that have led me to
think for better opportunities,game changer.
I don't understand why peoplewouldn't want that for others
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everyone would be moreproductive if we had like
positive, charismatic leaderswho wanted us to succeed.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Yeah, yeah anyway, I think there's a lot of like um
and envy, maybe in the workplace, or like people not wanting
other people to succeed.
I feel like that's why we don'thave better managers, because
you have to be a certain kind ofperson to want your the people
that you that work for you to beat the next level.
(27:00):
I feel like as a manager, likeI know that there are some
people that will never have abetter job than what they have
and they feel maybe less than so.
They don't want to help theiremployees to be better or to
learn or to gatekeeping.
Yeah, I think that's a lot ofgatekeeping.
But you're right, like if youhave somebody that's like
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pushing you to do the best youcan, then that makes you want to
like go further and then youget a better job, and then you
you know, right, you don't wantto leave that manager, obviously
, but then they help you get tothose opportunities that
otherwise you wouldn't get to.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
so I feel like a lot of times management doesn't,
doesn't help you out because oftheir own insecurities, right,
and because they don't want tolose a good employee yes, no,
but actually I'm glad youbrought that point up because I,
um, I, my current manager,we've had a lot of great
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employees, um, and they haveleft to other better positions
and he has guided theseemployees to the better position
.
And even us, like I, have beeninterested in the investigation
part of the brokerage firm andhe's been like you know, like if
you want to, you can set up ameeting with one of these people
.
You won't be able to do like,you won't be able to move the
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position right now because theother, I guess, department
doesn't have the availability,they don't have the open
positions.
But I'm like, but he's like youcan start, you can start
knowing about this and if youstart getting to know the other
people, then they're going toconsider you a fit position if a
position does open up.
But that I'm glad that youbrought that point up because it
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makes a difference.
A good person, a good manager,will make a difference in your
life and they just do it becausethey want to help, because they
that's what they're.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
That's what they're there for yeah, I've also had
people make me feel guilty forwanting better for myself.
What do you mean like thatright, like looking for better
opportunities or whatever?
I've been like super lucky tohave people who encourage me and
help me and guide me, but I'vealso had people who make me feel
guilty for wanting a betterlife than what I have oh you're
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gonna leave me behind.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
Oh you're gonna.
You're gonna be some goodytwo-shoes yeah, that's
unfortunate.
Yeah, we'll suck that's, that'stoxic family dynamic why do we?
Speaker 4 (29:25):
always cover toxicity , just kidding, why not?
Why not?
Speaker 3 (29:30):
So hey, sinea, you were saying earlier there was a
thing that we were going to talkabout.
I think we're done.
I think we said not today, nottoday, just going to skip it.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
You want to share final thoughts about toxic
behavior in the workplace?
Speaker 3 (29:42):
No, I don't, because you know what time it is.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
I hate that you caught on to me, don't listen to
them, don't manipulate you.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
Oh man.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
What pissed you off?
Speaker 4 (30:05):
Man, part three.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
Part three.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
We are obviously going to talk about what's his
name.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Dick Nose McGee.
Dick Nose McGee.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
Harrison Buttlicker.
He is part of the Kansas CityChiefs.
I don't know what they do.
They kick stuff.
He kicks.
Yeah, he is a kicker.
Anyways, he recently graduationseason Congrats to all the
graduates.
Go, you guys.
Um.
But he made a very disturbingspeech.
And what a commencement speech.
And granted, I guess it was ata catholic school, but still
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doesn't give him the right totalk about other people.
But basically he said um, letme go back to it.
Um, you guys women have beendiabolically lie to lie to that
you know your career is notgoing to be fulfilling enough
that you're never going to be.
(30:59):
Um, it's yeah.
Basically, you've spent a shitton of money, you spent a lot of
time to complete this, butguess what?
You know what's going tofulfill you being a mom?
being a homebody, be a homemaker, being a mom, being a parent,
babysitting your husband andyour kids that's what's gonna
fulfill you.
(31:19):
Yeah, and you know what?
To some women it might, yeah,but don't first of all a man
talking about these feelings toother people.
How dare you, how dare he?
And his mom is a physicist.
His mom is like why didn't alittle bit of her intelligence
pass on to this individual?
(31:42):
yeah, that's my little rant, Idon't think it's first of all.
Uh, what's his position?
A kicker at a football teamwhere he may or may not have cte
?
Um, commenting on thelivelihood and of women yeah,
maybe some repressed emotions inthere yeah work through.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
Maybe he got rejected a few times what is?
Speaker 4 (32:06):
because he's a piece of shit but I mean that's on him
yeah, yeah why did he do thatto himself, right, yeah, but
anyways, I'm just mad at that Ithink I've been so.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
I love tiktok and I've been watching all the
tiktoks about this guy and um,it's just upsetting that another
man is sitting there tellingwomen how to live their lives,
whatever.
Um, but just it's so.
Yeah, pick the bear exactly it'sso annoying to have to hear
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this over and over and overagain from these men that think
they know best because they'remen.
That's, that's basically theonly reason why he has an
opinion, or what he thinks hecan share an opinion, about what
women should be doing, becausehe's a man and in his Bible and
in his belief he's better thanwomen.
And and we're being lied todiabolically because we are not
(33:05):
listening to this man Fuck youguy.
That's all I have to say aboutyou.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
I think I think this guy is totally not serious.
I think he doesn't believe anyof that shit and I think he just
knows it's a popular thing tosay and he's going to get
trending on TikTok and he'sgoing to go crazy with it and
that's what he did.
And I think he's worse thanjust a misogynist.
He's like a selfish greedyasshole because, he's spreading
(33:30):
a terrible message that's goingto be used to further these
flames of oppressing women forhis own personal benefit and his
own personal hashtags on socialmedia and stuff, and it's gross
.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
I wonder if he's going to be running for
something.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
He might be starting a podcast.
He might be going for politicaloffice.
Speaker 4 (33:49):
Watch out, because he's going to try to monetize
this.
That's unfortunate.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Sorry, took dana's microphone as she was saying.
That's unfortunate, but I wasjust gonna say, like I think
someone, there are so many womenthat live in in relationships
where they they're being um hurtby men who believe this
bullshit that this guy isfeeding.
So, like you said, you know,this is just gonna add to that
(34:18):
fire of you.
See, like you don't need, youdon't need a college degree, you
don't need to educate yourself.
You only need me yeah, exactly,you just need a man to fulfill
you and babies and you know what, as a mother and a wife, that
is very fulfilling and I lovebeing a mother and I love being
a wife, but I'm I also lovebeing my own person and I also
(34:40):
love going to school and I alsolove everything else that I do
as a woman.
Um, so yeah, it's just.
It's so sad that we still haveto hear this bullshit at this
day and age it's so interesting,then like how is it not
fulfilling for you?
Speaker 2 (34:56):
what does that say about you?
If you think that only the wifeis getting fulfillment
fulfillment out of having kidsin a marriage right like where's
your empathy?
Speaker 3 (35:04):
don't you want to like like, love your child?
Speaker 2 (35:06):
and keep a clean home .
And what are you?
What are you talking about?
Speaker 4 (35:10):
it's, yeah, yeah, it's insane and I'm so glad that
you are fulfilled by this.
But you made that choice rightright like it wasn't someone
else telling you to do this.
It wasn't your husband tellingyou to do this.
I don't think he would ever dothat exactly.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
But I mean, he's smart, yeah, and he's caring and
he's compassionate, but I wouldhave never married a man that,
but I would have never married aman that would have tried to
tell me how to live my life orhow to be fulfilled in my life.
That's why him and I work sowell, because we both would
never try to tell each other howto live each other's life.
Instead, we live our livestogether and we enjoy it and we
(35:47):
love each other.
Yeah, it goes back to choiceChoice.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
Yeah, that's the whole core problem with this.
This asshole is that, like you,can't ever tell people how they
should live their lives justbecause they're a woman like
that's.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
You can never tell someone what to do, but
especially not on the basis oflike sex, like what yeah shitty
ass person shitty ass person Iagree yeah, and it's really
unfortunate too, because a lotof women are stuck in
relationships because of thesame issue that they don't have
any financial freedom, andunfortunately, unfortunately,
(36:22):
their males are the ones who arethe income earners, they are
the ones who bring in the bread,I guess.
But it's very unfortunate, andso to put more women in this
position, or to state that womenshould be stuck in this
position, it's very, uh, verydisheartening yeah, damaging,
damaging as a whole, exactly,it's pretty mask off right like
(36:45):
you get to see this guy for whohe really is and what he you
know, like if he doesn't careabout that problem getting worse
?
Speaker 3 (36:52):
what does he care about?
Speaker 4 (36:53):
Doesn't care about much.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
Obviously, unfortunately, yeah, okay, but
like you can be a Christian manand love God and be respectful
to women and their choices.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
You just added to my fire.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Yes, you can, and there are a lot of men that are
Christian and believe in God andlove women and respect women,
they're good men that are good,good men, but unfortunately
there are also men that use Godin the Bible to oppress and hurt
women, and in this case I 100%believe that this is hate speech
(37:34):
and this is what this man isdoing so I agree 100, 100 emoji
thank you for raging with metoday, you guys did great and
fuck this guy.
Yep, I agree friend, are youextra mad because he brought in
Taylor Swift into his speech andnot even mentioned her?
(37:55):
He was like my teammate'sgirlfriend.
Did you see that?
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, everything he said was upsetting
.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
Yeah, Like don't take him seriously.
He talked about pride.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
He talked about women .
He talked about, you know, justthe unnecessary.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
And then he brought up a quote, a taylor swift quote
on his speech and he was like,as my teammates girlfriend would
say, he like wouldn't mentionher name.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
What I did see was that I'm no swifty, but that's
still really dumb stupid thatthis is the second time he's
given a commencement speech atthat school and the last time
wasn't very different, so that'swhat I then.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
The school has a problem and people need to stop
going to that school yeah let'sboycott that school then speak
with your money, folks yeah,exactly, exactly closing
thoughts be a good manager be agood manager encourage your
teammates help people grow shareyour salary information.
Speaker 4 (38:50):
Share your precision precision information Share your
salary.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
That too why?
Speaker 1 (38:56):
not Spread the wealth .
Speaker 4 (38:57):
If you want, I will be providing Zelle information.
If you want to share your,where's my Venmo?
I don't have Venmo, but youguys have Venmo.
Right, we have Venmo.
Beautiful, we have Venmo.
We'll be accepting everyoneelse's salary.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
S-O-M underscore cash out.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
No, but really share that information, Don't keep it
to yourself.
They want you to keep it toyourself, but don't do it, yep.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
Yeah, just try to find a place that makes you
happy and hopefully helps you.
You know, earn enough money toprovide for yourself and if you
have a family, your family orwhatever you want to do.
(39:42):
One thing I've learned aboutany job, no matter how good the
job is, is that you arereplaceable?
Speaker 1 (39:45):
oh yes, do not give your life to any job you don't
give your health to any job.
Use your pto, use your benefitsdon't feel guilty because at
the end of the day, the the dayyou leave that job, they're
going to replace you quickly.
If you pass away, they're notgoing to wait.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
They're not going to skip a beat.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
They're not going to skip a beat their company is
their company, and you're justone more number, and so I hate
to say it that way, but yourmental health and your health is
more important than any job.
So do the work that you need todo, enjoy it as much as you can
, but take care of yourself lookout for yourself?
Absolutely, yeah, and thank youfor listening.
(40:26):
And thank you, jacob, forhanging out with us.
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
I'm so happy to be, here and come back to us anytime
.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
You're welcome.
Bye Love you.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
Thank you for listening to Latina State of
Mind Produced by us.
Your awesome hosts Diana, xeniaand Nancy Special shout out to.
Jerome, our editor.
Don't forget to follow us onInstagram at lsom underscore
(41:02):
podcast and on facebook atlatina state of mind.
Hasta la proxima.
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