October 9, 2022 • 50 mins
Today we're talking about banned LGBTQ books. The most common are listed below, along with a link to save the Patmos Library in Jamestown Township, outside of Grand Rapids, Michigan. We also want to give a shout-out to our sponsor, Modest Mix Teas, whose main ingredient is a well placed f-bomb. Check them out at www.modestmix.com, and enter latterdaylesbian20 at check out for 20% off your order!
Gender Queer: a Memoir - Maia Kobabe
Kiss Number 8 - Colleen AF Venable
Spinning - Tillie Walden
Lawn Boy - Jonathan Evison
I Am a Gay Wizard - V.S. Santoni
Out of Darkness - Ashley Hope Pérez
The Poet X - Elizabeth Acevedo
When Aidan Became a Brother - Kyle Lukoff
www.gofundme.com / Save Patmos library: https://gofund.me/3b4581ad
Music provided by Purple Planet: https://www.purple-planet.com.
Gender Queer: a Memoir - Maia Kobabe
Kiss Number 8 - Colleen AF Venable
Spinning - Tillie Walden
Lawn Boy - Jonathan Evison
I Am a Gay Wizard - V.S. Santoni
Out of Darkness - Ashley Hope Pérez
The Poet X - Elizabeth Acevedo
When Aidan Became a Brother - Kyle Lukoff
www.gofundme.com / Save Patmos library: https://gofund.me/3b4581ad
Music provided by Purple Planet: https://www.purple-planet.com.
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In today's episode, we are talkingabout book banning. Everyone's favorite subject,
book banning. God, it's happeningacross the United States. It is.
You have a local story you wantto talk about. I do, don't
you? I do? Oh?I just thought you were asking me.
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Now you're telling me I do.Mary, There you go, put some
emphasis on it. Off behind thatI did. I've got a story that's
a few weeks old from Michigan aboutsome book banning. So let's get into
that topic. Okay, right afterthe break if you're back. Hey,
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everybody, welcome to Latter Day Lesbian, the podcast about an ex Mormon gay
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okay, all right, back tobusiness. All right, Should we just
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get into this episode about book banning? Yes, all right, this was
prompted. Do you get those newsalerts on your phone, by the way,
shell, No, you don't getnews alerts. That's how I found
out about my news because I getalerted. I should probably sign up for
something like that. Yeah, Andso then it goes to the news app
that you have on your iPhone.Got then you can read stories unless you
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don't have a subscription to some ofthem, but sometimes you can just read
them. Okay. I was ableto read this story. This was from
August twenty sixth, so a whileago, Detroit Free Press, and I'm
just gonna read this article. Readit. A Michigan town may lose its
only library after its staff refused toremove an lgbt Q book. Good for
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them, though, good for thelibrary. Stand up for yourself exactly.
Okay. When a library staff anda West Michigan township refused to remove its
books containing LGBTQ themes, go libraryresident. I edited that part. That's
good. Residents voted to defund theironly library. They were like, we'd
rather have no library at all thana library with the filth and here,
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yeah, with a queer book exactly. Yeah, We'd rather have no reading
than gay reading, even if it'slike one percent of the books, and
this library shut it down right,and it might not even be one percent.
Remember when we interviewed our shelves andthat lovely lady was talking about how
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hard it is for libraries to getqueer books in there, because you have
to request them and then the authorshave to see that they want them,
and blah blah blah. Anyway,there are not a lot in these libraries,
and yet people get the stick shovedso far up their ass that they're
like, wait, there's two books. Shut the whole fucking thing down,
right, right, right right,Yeah, ridiculous. The Patmos, I
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don't know if I'm saying that correctly. Could be Patmos. Say it however
you want, Okay. The PatmosLibrary and Jamestown Township outside of Grand Rapids,
Michigan, lost eighty five percent ofits operating budget after an August second
vote when it's funding was up forrenewal. A conservative Christian group Weird That
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Never Happened Never had campaigned against thelibrary because of books it has deemed inappropriate
for children. The issue will beback on the ballot in November. There's
still time. Everybody's coming up.If you're in Michigan, get out there
and vote right one last time tosave the library. If it doesn't pass,
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the library will likely close. I'mgonna just say, library, let's
turn it into a drinking game.Every time you say library, I have
a sip of my coffee. Anyoneat home, I want to play.
The saga illustrates a growing trend ofbook banning debates across the country that center
on LGBTQ books. While banning booksis a decades old practice, thank you,
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Puritan America. Yeah, I wasgonna say that's only because Christianity is
more than decades old. It's neverjust like your random person. It's like
a random person living in your town. That's like ban the books. It's
always based on some kind of fuckedup Puritan religion. Christianity name it,
what for Mormonism, name it.There's always some kind of religion behind banning
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books. Of course, Shelley.We have to protect the children, yeah,
from the world, sure, theevil world, the evil, evil
world where there are queers that ohgosh, that reminds me. Sorry side
note, we're watching a League oftheir own. We just finished it.
This series a phenomenal series. Anyway. In there, there's like this girl
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who's afraid of everything, and shethinks that every things out to get her.
And she realizes that one of theother girls is a lesbian they call
them what inverts, Yeah, andshe's horrified at it. Doesn't want to
be your friend anymore. Blah.Blah blah. And then the other girl,
Carson gives her kind of like aspeech about you're afraid of eating canned
foods that are bent. Your friend, like listing all these things that this
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girl's afraid of, but she's like, just live your life right and keep
your friends. And so the nextday Carson comes in the room and this
girl who's afraid of everything, she'strying to overcome her fears, and she
runs up to Carson kisses her righton the mouth, and then backs when
it's like, oh my gosh,it's not contagious. I'm not attractive to
you at all. This is fantastic. So I think there was a compliment
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and there's somewhere somewhere somewhere. Yeah, but the realization that you can't catch
gayness right right, I'm not surewhat this has to do with. Oh,
it was the fears, the religiousattacking the gaze because they think it's
contagious, right, and if yourchildren read queer themed or whatever books,
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they're gonna become gay. Yeah,it doesn't work that way. I know.
Um, we oddly and are oneof our airbnbs has a have a
book on carpentry. I'm not surewhere that came from. But I'm wondering.
It's from nineteen sixty something, butit's cool looking and it's a very
retro. But I'm wondering if oneof your kids read that carpentry book,
would they suddenly become a carpenter?Oh sure, or want to be a
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carpenter because they read a book aboutit. Yeah, they would suddenly feel
You know how many books I've readon different subjects and I haven't been influenced
by that. M huh, weird. Weird. You would think that I'd
be so easily influenced by everything I'veever well answered this, have you ever
read a book that has heterosexual couples? Oh? Wow? Yeah, and
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seen shows and movies so bombarded bythat? Are you straight now? Exactly?
Your point is taken. Oh andI read a lot of the Bible
too, and that didn't stick.You'd think I'd be a big old Christian
or whatever because of all the Biblereading I did back in the day.
That didn't really stick either, No, thank god, because the Bible's pretty
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fucked up, especially the Old Testament. But we've talked about that before.
Yeah, So the point is,what good does it do removing certain subjects
from libraries or wherever else. Ifyou think that your kid is going to
read whatever book. Oh, theyread a cookbook today. Guess what.
They still can't cook for shit.You know, it doesn't work that way.
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It doesn't just doesn't work that way. Okay, And I am not
sure, but I am guessing witha big opinion here that these books are
trying to ban are not telling peoplehow to be a queer. It's not
step by step right with pictures.Oh that would have been helpful, wouldn't
it. Oh God, I wouldhave loved that book. Why wasn't that
in my library? I was toobusy like reading Where the Red Fern Grows
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and crying over and over. Weshould write a funny how to be a
lesbian. There's probably a how tobe a lesbian book out there, but
a joking one, not like howto become a lesbian. And that's what
the Christians are worried about. Thepeople will become a lesbian, their straight
kids will be swallowed up in vaginafantasies. That was hard to say.
Okay, Can I get continue withthis article? Place? Yes? Sorry?
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All right? Well, I wassaying, while banning books is a
decades old practice. Conservative groups haverecently focused on removing ones that center on
sexuality and gender identity. No coincidencethere, along with race and religion,
also no coincidence there. I'm guessingthe Bible may or may not still be
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in there, but I think itwould be. And this is just me
guessing. I don't have the factson this, but I would think that
they are banning books that are antireligion, that are atheist based. But
this is my opinion. I don'tknow, just throwing that shit out there.
We could probably research that, Iwould say, probably or leg Wickan
or whatever. Right, Yeah,anything that's not Christian exactly. So this
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fight has come to a head atthe Patmos Library in Michigan, Okay,
they're protesting all LGBTQ books that areon our shelves, said Larry Walton,
Library board president. They want toban books, which is unacceptable. We
the board will not ban books.Thank you, Larry, Thank you.
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Out of about sixty seven thousand materials, about ninety pieces could be relative to
LGBTQ themes. That's what I'm saying. What is the percentage on sixty seven
thousand books, only ninety are thematicto LGBTQ stuff. If I knew how
to do that math with my calculator, I would, but it's very,
very low. It's a small percentage. Again, if you have a carpentry
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book on the shelf doesn't mean ifyour kid reads it, they're going to
be a carpenter. This is sostupid. There's like alien books and shit
too, like dinosaur books. Youthink those are the dinosaurs that are from
other planets that God kitty litter orscoop and no scattered around the Earth.
Yes, No, what I meanis there? I'm sure they're myth.
Dinosaurs didn't exist, Shelley. Theycame from other planets. God used the
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big kittler scoop and gobbled him up, dumped him here to make it to
intersense of why the earth is?He needed layers. He just needed layers,
so he puts some fossils in there. Gotcha? What I meant was
there? I'm sure there are fictionnot true books that star like a cat
that talks, that's true. Ithink there are talking animal books out there.
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Yeah, how does that affect?I don't know. They're gonna think
their animals are gonna start talking.We're misleading children, right, and let
me also throw this out there.I could understand a parent not wanting a
young child to read a book thatis sexually explicit, okay, but that
for me, that's whether it's straightor queer, I don't care. I
could understand me not wanting Cassidy toread like The Joy of Sex by what
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was her name again, I don'tknow, Ruth, doctor Ruth. However,
libraries are always split into age groups, right, So when I go
to my public library, the kidssection is off to the left, and
there's not going there will be therewill be books for now anyway, you
know, like Jimmy has to Daddyor something like that. But it's it's
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toned to that age group to havean understanding of families. So kids who
are in those kind of families don'tfeel like they're weird, and kids who
are not in queer families can understand. Right, So it's not like we're
letting elementary schools read gay porn.That's not it and that you know,
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and that's stuff that I hear fromthe right is like kids shouldn't even be
reading about sex at that age.I'm like, well, sure, I
agree, but they're not giving themsex books at that age about straight or
queer relationships. Right now, ifyou've got let's say, a teenager or
young adult who is quite possibly experimentingwith sex, with their identity, with
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everything, why should they not havebooks available to help them feel normal,
right, so that something they canrelate to exactly? Yeah, well I
agree. Basically it's sucking up thequeer people. Bottom line. Once again,
who loses the queers? Sure?I mean the queer kids. Yeah,
I'll throw that out there the nextqueer generation. Well, right,
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and then this thing is thrown intheir faces. If it weren't for you
queers, we would have a libraryhere. Basically, that's the message,
right, wouldn't have those nine booksout of how many thousand? Yeah?
You only read that stat again,sure, ninety books out of sixty seven
thousand. Yeah. Those of youwho know math and you just listen to
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this podcast, go ahead and postthat in Latter Day Lesbian podcast discussion.
Thanks, Joe, are you listening, Joe? What's the math? I
count that ship was out here?Oh my gosh, Okay, let me
continue. Okay. Ahead of thevote, a Christian group called Jamestown Conservatives
placed large signs in the town ship, urging residents to vote no, citing
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concerns that the library was grooming childrenwith books containing explicit material and LGBTQ themes.
Once again, you read a bookon carpentry, you don't become a
carpenter. How many times we haveto go over there? Well, that
was like the sixth time. Iwould also take a gander that if this
conservative group were to look through allof the books that are there available,
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they will find heterosexual theme books thatare just as explicit that they think the
queer books are. Yeah, whatabout just going after the queers? That's
it. I bet they have likefifty shades of gray. So I was
wondering that was the exact thing thatpopped into my head. Is that in
libraries they're not talking about it.I bet it is, But there's not
fifty shades of queer gray. Goodanalogy listeners, you know what the fuck
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I mean? Right? How manydifferent ways I have to say it?
It's fucked up. It's a doublestandard, Yes, because the gays are
out to recruit, recruit yep,I want all of the young girls to
go to home depot with me,wear cargo pants. That's all I want.
We're gonna listen to melist the Etheridgealong the way. We're gonna wear
plaid flannel blouses. We were justthinking about that episode of Old Blouse and
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the Laundry. Where's that blood flannelblouse? Yeah, we were relieving our
video. Well, that episode iscalled not Your Typical Lipstick Lesbian. I
don't remember what episode number is,but that's pretty damn funny. But our
videos on our YouTube page, yep, where you could just say channel if
you want the videos on our YouTubechannel. As you're funny, you're fun
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to tease. Okay. The contentand some of the books contains graphic sexual
dialogue and narrative, So quick,groom and our kids. No child has
an innate sense of being gender queeror gender fluid. It is manipulative,
destructive and wrong, not true.A library that pushes this agenda is disrespectful.
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This is from someone named Donna Rothman. She said you, Donna Rotman.
She said it at an August eighthboard meeting. So again back to
the subject of are the heterosexual booksthere are? They don't. They don't
talk about sure to be straight,to have a normal babies, that's normal,
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normal, And come on the librariesare pushing an agenda. There's ninety
books out of whatever that number was. You keep saying it's not if there
was an actually an actual agenda,they would be everywhere. Yeah, they're
just trying to have all populations represented. Is that so wrong? I don't
think so. Okay. The bookthat sparked the controversy at Patmos or pat
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Mos, I'm not sure. Someonehelped me out here is called Gender Queer,
a Memoir, a graphic novel byMaya Kobabi. Not sure if I'm
saying that correctly. That details they'reexperiences exploring gender identity and sexuality. It
is the most commonly banned book,according to an analysis from pen America,
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a literary and free speech organization.Patmos Library refused to ban Gender Queer,
but did remove it from its spotin the adult section and placed it behind
the counter. Oh so it's likeit's like when you want to go buy
Suda fed you can't do that anymore. You have to request it behind a
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counter or condoms. Yes, verysimilar. Wow, that is crazy.
That's like here back in the closetplease, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah. You have to know whatyou're you can't just browse for it.
You have to come in knowing whatbook you want. Well, they wouldn't
want a straight person accidentally stumbling uponit, reading it and becoming queer.
I hate when that happened. It'shorrible. Is that what happened to me?
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No? Yeah, you know howmany straight books I've read? Get
back to that, and I'm notstraight. I have read zero queer books.
Zero. Really, you never readone single one. I've listened in
the recent past too, maybe three, But I'm seeing my entire life I
never did yet. Yeah, hereyou are. Yeah, yeah, I
can attest folks. Shelley is queer. Trust me on this one. Thanks
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Mary, did you just out me? I know all right? Interested readers
would have to specifically ask for thisbook that is behind the counter gender queer.
Everybody asked for gender queer. Yes, by the way, good idea
their local libraries. Okay. Residentsalso wanted to ban Kiss Number eight and
Spinning Don't Know these both graphic novelsthat depict girls realizing they want to kiss
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other girls. Go girls wanting tokiss other girls. I'm nothing wrong with
it. As a matter of fact, it's amazing, but I'm not recruiting
just so we're clear. Yeah,I'm just a fan. Well, I
bet there's books about girls wanting tokiss boys. I mean shit right,
Like I couldn't think of any becauseI'm not really a reader in Moore.
But like, yes, there arebooks of even elementary school, so many,
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we just can't think of any.By the way, neither of these
books contain nudity. But this library, I said, library again, drink
they want to ban both these booksabout kissing girls. Okay. Jamestown resident
Connor Cook twenty five, said heI don't know why his age is important,
but whatever, said he witnessed homophobiagrowing up in the township as queer,
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but the failed millage was still agut punch, oh for sure.
Yeah. Cook volunteered at the libraryduring the summer and said pat Mus was
a safe space for him to learn, a place where he could be himself.
Not anymore, Nope. He washomeschooled and said he had limited access
to resources, so the library helpedhim explore the world on his terms.
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He said. We walked around ourworld every day surrounded by hate directed toward
specific groups of people, and mostof us have the privilege to ignore it,
including myself. He said. Thisdecision to defund the library was like
waking up one morning realizing they camefor your home. Yeah, wow,
I know, because there was asafe space for him once pond time.
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If Patmos Library closes, the roughlyeight thousand Jamestown residents won't have access to
a nearby library and the resource itprovides, like reliable WiFi. Libraries outside
the area charge up to one hundredand fifty dollars in fees for nonresident Cards
said, I don't know how topronounce this person, a former librarian at
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Patmos. Libraries are one of thelast social places in our world where there
doesn't exist the expectation to spend money. So that freedom to be able to
go and pick up a movie forthe night and not have to pay to
rent it, or taking out aboard game for family game night. Wow,
I didn't know you could do allthis, or kids going to use
the computers to research for projects.That all stops, she said. Removing
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LGBTQUE books or putting them behind acounter sends a message that people who want
to read these books or identify withthese characters in the books are not fit
to be in public. Exactly exactlythat is the message it sends, we
had to close our library because ofyou queers. Get out. This world
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doesn't want you, starting with ourtown. Fuck that shit, Fuck that
shit. It's twenty twenty two,right like the year. I'm not sure
it should be, but people aren'tacting like it. Yeah, I'm going
to wrap this up. There isstill a way to be involved. They
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have a go fund me. Oh. If you go to go fund me
dot com, search up Patmos Libraryand they have a fund there to save
the library. Good and that issad that you need to save a library.
Well it is, but this isgoing to come up for a vote
again and yeah November. I meanthey could be defunded in November. Oh
I know. I'm just saying,how Saturday is in twenty twenty two.
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We need to help a random libraryin Michigan stay open, Yeah, because
they're being attacked by this fucking rightwing conservative Christian group that hates the gays.
Yeah. Basically, they're trying toraise two hundred and forty five thousand
dollars and as of a month ago, they had one hundred and seventy eight
thousand donations. Good. Definitely gettingthere. If you would like to help
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the Patmos Library if I'm saying thatcorrectly. In Jamestown Township in Michigan,
go to go fundme dot com andthrow them a couple of bucks. I'm
sure they'd appreciate it, and somequeer books can get back on the show.
Yes, we have more to talkabout about this subject. Don't more
of a local take on it inVirginia? Yes? Right, Just so
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happens that the local it's called ViennaPatch. I think in the Vienna is
where I will be moving to inlike five days, and I haven't started
packing. A news blurb came outof there and talking about the books that
are being banned. So yeah,I want to touch on that just a
bit. All right, Why don'twe take a quick break and we'll get
to it in just a second.Alrighty, you're right back, and we're
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back. I spoke about the ViennaPatch into a small town. We're just
outside of Washington, DC, sowe get some big news that comes in
anyway, this is coming out ofArlington, Virginia, which is close,
and it's banned books week school officialsat nine school districts in Virginia, including
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Fairfax County Public schools. That's wheremy kiddos go. We're among those challenging
and banning books in what a BannedBooks Week twenty twenty two report called an
unprecedented fashion. While school districts acrossVirginia banned books over the past year,
Virginia Beach started it. Really yeah, go pat ro Robertson representing the Christian
Coalition or whatever the hell fuck orall right, I'm skipping that boring paragraph.
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The report from pen America, aNew York based literary and free expression
nonprofit advocacy group, highlights how challengesto books have become a political issue nationwide.
It is political. I mean,now we have social media. You
see, it's all fucking political.And if you are a conservative you have
to believe this one way, right, and if you're liberal you have to
believe this one way. They're crossovers, for sure. But it seems to
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me that the conservative side of things, at least what I see on social
media, is on the attack.Why does it have to be like that?
Why can't we be like, Oh, I'm a Republican, but I
don't agree with all these things.Oh I'm a Democrat, Well I don't
agree with all these things. Whycan't that be Okay, there are some,
but it's rare. It is rare. It's like you have to get
on board with everything the party.Well, sure, because every time there's
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elections coming up. By the way, we've got election season around here coming
up. Commercials and promotions and allthose things. The ads, they are
almost always hated based and fear based, very polarizing. Yes, you have
to scare your people into voting foryou. If you do it for me,
then the other side is going tobe, you know, killing babies
right after they're born, or pushingthat queer agenda. Yes, you know,
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somehow takes away from our traditional families. I still haven't figured that.
I still haven't taken away from it. I'm trying, but I haven't been
able to succeed anyway. The articlealso says a majority of the targeted books
focus on sexual identity, race,and racism. I was thinking about this.
Do you remember in the news.I think it's been in the last
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year where people wanted to get ridof the statues of generals and things from
the South who were pro slavery.Sure, so, my right wing friends
would argue that, oh, well, you wanted to erase history by getting
rid of the statues. And it'slike, no, this is so different.
Getting rid of statues is not erasinghistory. It is a statement of
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No, we don't admire these peoplewho had slaves. Yeah, and why
do we have to memorialize shitty assholepeople. Yeah, yeah, we're not
erasing history. I mean you canread there's no way to raise history.
No, by the way, no, it is there. Yeah, and
so no, fuckers, it's notthe same thing. It's saying, you
know what, we don't idolize thesepeople exactly. We don't literally and figuratively
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put them on pedestals. Literally,they are on a pedestal to be memorialized.
Right, No, not okay,get rid of it? Yep,
okay, so um, right wingers, fuck that argument doesn't work for me.
In Virginia, by the way,where my kids are attending school in
Fairbecks County. The books that arebanned included temporary removal are Number one,
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Gender Queer a Memoir, same one. Yep, that one gets a lot
of traction. There's one called lawnBoy. I think I'd like to read
these and see what the fuck areyou so freaked out about. I am
a gay wizard, this is fuckingawesome. Out of Darkness. Let me
back up. I'm putting the authorsout there if he wants to support these
books by getting them, asking forthem in libraries, ordering them online.
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Gender Queer a Memoir by Maya I'msorry, Koebabe, Kobobby, thank you,
sorry, I'm sorry, sir.Yeah, lawn Boy by Jonathan Evanson,
We've got I'm a Gay Wizard byVs. Santoni, out of Darkness
by Ashley Hope, Perez, ThePoet X by Elizabeth Asavado, and When
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Aid and Became a Brother by KyleLukoff. Why don't you send these to
me and I can put them inthe show description, the show notes and
then people can just look them up. Okay, I'll stop reading because there's
a bunch more along these same lines. There was also an article that came
out. Okay, this just kindof made me laugh because sometimes the VNA
patch they just kind of list what'sgoing on in the paper that you're about
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to read, and it starts withtransgender student State Guidelines, black Bear sightings,
Top Virginia News. What that's funny. I know, I'm like,
there could have been there should havebeen a way that you could, you
know, somehow separate that out.Okay, here's what's going around here.
Virginia Governor Glenn Junkin's ass hat newschool guidelines restrict transgender student rights. Like
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what the fuck? Thanks bro.Virginia Governor Glen Younkins administration release state education
guidelines that would roll back the rightsof transgender students, moved by the States
Republican governor weird that is expected tobe challenged in court. The new model
policies released Friday will likely have tobe adopted by all of the states one
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hundred and thirty three school districts inOctober. They will require transgender students to
use school bathrooms and locker rooms matchingthis sex they were assigned at birth.
Let me start with that one.That's fucked up A but I'll also say
that that has been an issue forright wing forever, So I'm not surprised
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at that right because they don't understandtheir home homophobes. How difficult it would
it be to add another bathroom?Like I love when I go into a
restaurant and it's just a bathroom.Well, we don't have a budget,
you know what, let's budget someshit. Can we budget some shit for
education and schools where our children go, so we don't have how about diversity
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among children? That thought? Okay, Also, schools have doors on their
bathroom stalls period, end of story. I mean, I could see in
school where let's say a girl startingher period wouldn't want to share a bathroom
with boys. Just add a thirddamn bathroom. No, I get it.
I get it at a third bathroom. But again, I see,
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I'm not surprised this part. I'mnot surprised at I'm like, whatever they've
been, they've been fearmongering this sincethe beginning of time. Here's the one
that really, I mean, itall pisses me off, but this is
really like why you got to beso mean? Right? The policies also
make it difficult for students to changetheir name and gender at school. What
why is that? Because that didn'tyou tell me that the teachers were They're
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asking teachers to use their birth name. You use their birth name. That's
what principles are asking teachers to do, right, yes, younkins. Virginia
Department of Education also stated in themodel policies that the legal name and sex
of a student cannot be changed evenupon written instruction of a parent or eligible
student without an official legal document orcourt order. That's fucked up. When
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I was in seventh grade, theteacher asked first day school, what would
you like to be called? AndI thought it would be funny to say
Gidget. And I was called Gidgetfor that entire year. There was no
problem that you have a new nickname. I do. I still have papers
where I'm like Gidget Johnson. Fuckingawesome. I found this at my parents'
house. Shelley's new name. Everybodyfeel free to send her messages. Greetings
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Gidget, Say what's up? Gidget? Lying nun? Love it flying Nun.
She's not the same person. Ohwell, Gidget isn't the flying nun.
It is in the Flying Nun.No, Sally Field played Gidget and
the Flying Nun two different characters.Okay, got it, let me continue
reading. Okay. This is alsopart of the model that dickhead Yunkan is
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putting out there. Oh, weneed to come out with an apology.
Oh so I have been known tolabel Dalin a chokes like that bald asshole
or whatever. I say that.And we got a letter from someone,
and thank you for sending that instating you're being aggressive with the word bald
can be hurtful to certain people whomight have alopecia or anyone who anyone,
(32:36):
Yeah, yes, anyone yaone.Shouldn't make fun of people based on physical
characteristics, yes, and my apologies. We shouldn't make fun of people the
podcast. Okay, how about basedon their strict conservative Mormon. Of course
we're going to make fun of that. Okay, we're allowed to do that.
Yes, no, no more hisbaldness just he's the devil. Okay,
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so sorry, Sorry, we've hurtanyone's feeling. I have absolutely no
problem with bald people. I havea big problem with dalin a jokes.
Okay. Going on about this newmodel put out by the governor, teachers
and other school officials can only referto a student by their pronouns associated with
their sex at birth, and teacherswill not be required to refer to a
student's chosen names, regardless of paperwork, if they feel doing so would violate
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their constitutionally protected rights. Thank god. So even if the student gets their
name legally changed, if the teachershave a problem with it, they can
keep calling him Sally or her Jonathanlike what the because it goes against their
constitutionally protected rights. The teachers yesto not have to call what they think
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is a boy. How is thatreligion? Religion? They like to act
like freedom of religion means you couldtreat people like shit if you have a
problem with them being queer. Separateof state and religion has never actually truly
completely happened in this country. Fuckall, y'all. If the policies receive
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final approval, they will affect morethan one million children enrolled in the States
public school system. Many of thesestudents are expressing deep concerns about the model
policies released Friday. As a matterof fact, you know what, what
gidget shout it my kids that goto Madison High School. I love Madison
High School and this is part ofthe reason that my ex hates Madison High
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School. So Madison High School sentout a letter saying that they love all
of their LGBTQ plus students and theyknow that there's some worry and issues and
things going on right now with theselaws, and that they're here for everyone.
Wow. Yeah, it's a greatschool. It's a great school.
This is what a student said aboutthe policies as a closeted student. I
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wouldn't be able to come home ifmy parents found out that I was queer.
I am terrified that these draft regulationswill take away one of the few
places I can just be myself.Yeah. Awful. The Youngcan administration counters
that the new policies are part ofhis commitment to parental rights someone else's parents
and their rights about your child.Right, Oh my god. He also
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says, the asshole, it isnot under a schools or the government's purview
to impose a set of particular ideologicalbeliefs on all students. What the fuck
are you doing when you're pressing heterosexuality. You're doing the same thing that you
are accusing the queer community of doing. Shelley, That's normal. Sorry,
Gidget, thanks, that's right.So again, this is going to go
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to a vote and hopefully gets struckdown. Democrat Delegate Danica Roem she says,
you can't use executive action to overturnwhatever this code is. The Virginia
Human Rights Act ROM, Virginia's firstopenly transgender state lawmakers said in a tweet,
if you want to break the law, then we'll see you in court.
Nice. Yeah, let's go.Craig Kna, the University of Virginia
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law professor, said the Young administration'snew policies simply ignore Virginia Statute. It's
like these people that have such astrong belief that the queers are out to
destroy everything, they think they canjust Oh, I'm governor, let's make
a law. Fuck them, we'remaking a law. You can't just be
governor and make a fucking law,dude. I guess he can. Well
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he has, but hopefully get struckdown because it goes against human rights.
Baby, sorry, Gidget. Thinkabout how many laws in this country alone
have gone against human rights over thedecades. It just what else is new?
I know, I think just becauseit's more focused now. Well,
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for the longest time I was partof this right wing bullshit and so none
of this this didn't phase me.I'm like, damn right, get those
books out because I was brainwashed andfucked in the head. Now that I'm
on the other side of it andsee the hurt and the pain and I
am surrounded by the queer community,I get pissed. A piss I have
children who might not be able towho walks upt for our mom be exposed
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in school to what is actually normaldifferent genders, different identities, different races.
You know, group plans, protestof model policies. Thank you,
thank you, October sixth at LutherJackson Middle School, and I bet there
will be tons of conservatives as well, so that'll be a fun fight.
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They say the revised guidelines will hurtstudents in a time where students are facing
unparalleled mental health challenges. Thank you. Yeah, why are you fucking doing
this when you hopefully know that LGBTQplus youth are the top as far as
suicide ideation and attempting suicide and suicidein general. So when you say you're
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trying to protect the family, fuckyou. You're trying to protect certain families.
Yeah. Do you think it's moreimportant that your child never sees anything
queer? Is that? Is Johnnymore important than Susie who is considering taking
their own life because of this?I fucking hit None of my none of
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my kids, None of my kidsare more important than a child who will
take their own life because of whatI'm teaching. I love my kids,
I adore my kids, but Ido not want to teach them anything and
have them act in any way thatwould cause another child to want to take
their own life, right period,end of a fucking story. Yeah,
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thanks for coming to my ted,It's all I got baby. Oh no,
you did have that little thing aboutthose personal libraries that people have.
What are those called? Yeah?Yeah, I can't think of it.
It's like the little library where peoplecan be called little library, I don't
know. And it used to takea book and then do you drop off
a book or you just take booksor whatever? Does that work in Vienna?
(38:58):
And it's I'm sure it's other placesto people can build like a mini
libraries basically looks like a large mailbox. Typically they're everywhere. Okay, so
it's not to know. I'm justnot I just don't remember what they're called.
Yeah, yeah, I don't know. And I know that our good
friend Diana who's been on the podcasthas one in her front yard and she
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specifically wants and does put queer booksin there, and same thing that I
want to do. Anyway, myencouragement if people are like, well,
what are we supposed to do that? Well, I mean this is this
is infuriating. What do we doA talk about it? Be if you're
in a house where you are allowedto put something out front, build a
library. You can look online andhow to do it. You can find
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the books. Likely once in awhile someone will put a book of Mormon
in your library, and now that'shappened before. You may burn that one
and ban it. But let's keepthose books out there. What if libraries
get shut down, we as thecommunity can keep those books out there available
to people who need them. It'scalled little Free library. There you go,
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and you can go to a littleFree Library dot org if you want
to start your own. I loveit. So you're going to start one?
Yes, Gidget, Yes, Mary, that's just too funny. I'm
Marry, I'm Gidget. Oh mygosh. Well I'm excited about you starting
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that. That's really too Yeah.Diana is cool. It's all decorated with
LGBTQ colors, Yeah, trans andgay flag, all that stuff. It's
cool as it should be. Yeah. Well shit, everybody, we gotta
we gotta stop this bullshit. Yeah, fight back, people, fight the
fuck back, help us out.Let's take another commercial break, and then
(40:45):
we've got some patrons and supercast members. Maybe we just need to do their
last names according to book titles seemsappropriate book titles that exist? Well,
yeah, would you want to makethem up? Well, I might have
to because I don't know a lotof books. I've read a lot when
I was young, and then Iturned old and got hella busy. But
I am listening to audiobooks lately.Well that counts. That counts. All
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right, great, all right,there are a lot of books out there.
Yes, I think we got this, Yes, all right, We'll
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we are back. Let me getmy list. What do you have?
Exactly five patrons? Right? Numberone is one of my favorite people,
and I'm just gonna say his fullname, oh shit, and then
give him a new name. Richardrawlins. He is so fun. Yeah,
we've run him to him numerous times. He always dresses up at some
as something hilarious. When we werein Utah, he dressed as Joseph Smith.
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But as interpreted via south Park SouthParks Interpretation nominal h Richard rawlins.
We need we need a word thatstarts with our. You mean a book?
Yes, all right? Is itcheating to look up book titles?
No? Ahead, just fifty famousbook titles from literature. Go, um,
here's one called Rosemary and Rue.Have you ever heard of that?
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I have not, but Richard Rosemaryis a great name, is it?
And Rosemary also is delicious on pork. Yeah, I'm kind of into sage
right now. We did buy somestage at the farmer's market, and we
bought some papas roots. We did. I'm just saw on that out there.
Pause and talk about it. Sure, talk about some papas. Next
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up, Christie. N Oh,well, I've got one here called No
Wind of Blame. I've never heardof this book. Well that would make
her name Christie. No. Ohyou don't like that, I mean Christie,
No Christie, No Wind of Blame. Okay, take that and do
what you want for it. Christie, thanks for your patronage. By the
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way, Sorry about the ship name. Oh how about Christie? No Country
for Old Men? Oh that's agood better one. Yeah, it's a
good book as well. I justI saw the movie. Okay, next
and get a book. Oh Iwant one. Oh, you got one
as good as it gets. Isthat a book or just a movie?
I don't know, but I likeit. Okay, fine, you do
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one. That's a great movie.By the way, Mike an it starts
with A. I mean as isnot really a word. How about Anne
of green Gables gonna be the greengame green Gables? And I apologize profusely
that Mary gave you that name,and of green Gables, thanks for your
patronage. Please don't cancel just becausethat's your name. The next one,
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the name that this person chose toput was Emily with two s two s's
Nope, just ses could be atypo? Oh? Could she wants?
Is the last name? Emily withtwo s? Ees? What letter am
I using? I'm not sure what'shappening. Let's go with E because it's
ees. Okay, because he's aneasy one. Nope? Why am I
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having trouble thinking of book titles rightnow? I don't know? Oh I
got one, okay, go Eastof Eden John Steinbeck. Okay, the
author of that one. I likeit. We could have also done Eclipse.
Oh right, but in the NewMoon or whatever Twilight series? The
Twilight series? Has that been banned? Probably no, because it was written
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by a Mormon. Oh that's true, and it is all heterosexual. It
is, and they don't actually havesex till they're married. Oh, thank
you Mormons. For showing that shitin there. I say, we banned
that fucking book. Emily with twoeclipses. Two eclipses, well, that
was the name of the book,so it's not East of Eden that had
two ease in it. Naturally,Emily with two East of Eden that is
better. It's two s's or twoease. I'm so just fly, just
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go on, Thank you, Emily, Thanks Emily. Next up, Audrey
b b Huh, Okay, Ihave to go back to a kid's book
that I liked. Okay, BerensteinBears, I love that one. Double
b. Yeah, Audrey Berenstein Bears, Thank you so much for your patronage.
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Everybody, thank you? Serious?Is that all? Five? That's
five? Now you got some squadcast, right or super cast whatever you
want to call you pick a name. We're giving people new names right now.
So see you're read naming super castsquadcast. Squadcast is actually a way
to record remote interviews. We don'tuse it currently. Oh so I can't
(46:43):
just take that name and use itbecause it's already a thing. Okay,
okay, So the first up forsuper Cast members Scott w and then the
book that comes to mind. Iwant to do it. You have been
waiting for a w You have Wherethe Red Fern Grows. Oh, okay,
that's a good one. I wasgonna say when to the Willows?
But I like yours. Thank you, Scott, Where the Red Fern Grows?
Thank you? All right? Well, do you have an S for
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Angela s? I have one?Okay? Go. Ernest Hemingway wrote,
the Sun also rises. I wasn'tcounting the yeah, like you wouldn't let
me count the ass. The sunalso rises. I like it. Have
we read any of these books?Of all the books she named, I
read Berenstein Bears and We're The RedFern Grows. That's it. Did you
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read any of them? I didn'tread. I was going to say I
read East of Eden, but Ididn't. But there was a movie starring
Jane Seymour back in the day thatI watched about them. That book.
Yeah, I think I was thatbook. But in movie for got you
you know how it happens. Yeah, people take books and they turn them
into movies. Right. Oh.Speaking of shout out to our friend Katie
Mack, she recommended I listened tothe book where the Crawdad's Seeing on an
(47:52):
audio book and I did, andI really enjoyed it. And then the
movie just came out on Amazon Primeand Mary and I watched it and I
fucking loved it because I knew thebackground and like the details of it all.
Yeah, thanks Katie Mack. Totallyloved it. M M. The
next name is Heather E. It'sanother E, isn't it it is?
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How about Eat Pray Love? Didanyone ever see that? Yeah? See
it or read it. I'm gonnago with read it, Eat Pray Love.
That's a great one. Yeah,you've read it, or you watched
it, or you just heard it'sgreat. Um, I think see we're
going with whoever said it was great? That's your new last name? All
right? And the last Supercast membertoday Emily are An. There are Yeah,
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here's one I haven't read. It'ssupposed to be um one of the
top fifty books. It's called Remembranceof Things Past, although I don't get
too hung up on remembering things pastbecause I want to I like to live
in the moment. I can't rememberjack shit, so it's it's not.
Yeah. So if there's one calleda Anxious about the Future, that would
(48:58):
be book. Yeah, I thinkyou should write that lets people can relate.
I mean, let me tell youeverything I'm worried about that's gonna go
down today. Yep, that couldbe a great best seller. I'm sure
I can go on this list.Next year we'll be reading this list and
it'll say fifty one of the bestbooks ever sold. Well, yeah,
it's for people who are tired ofjust maintaining sort of a level content life
(49:20):
of no drama. Like people getsick of that. Sometimes someone to write
a book on how to blow youranxiety out of the water, stay amped
up all the time. Yes,it sounds like a best seller. Okay,
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Thank you Dan from Extension Audio.Thanks for leaving it in. Dan,
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no joke, no joke at all. Tuculater
In today's episode, we are talkingabout book banning. Everyone's favorite subject,
book banning. God, it's happeningacross the United States. It is.
You have a local story you wantto talk about. I do, don't
you? I do? Oh?I just thought you were asking me.
(00:21):
Now you're telling me I do.Mary, There you go, put some
emphasis on it. Off behind thatI did. I've got a story that's
a few weeks old from Michigan aboutsome book banning. So let's get into
that topic. Okay, right afterthe break if you're back. Hey,
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everybody, welcome to Latter Day Lesbian, the podcast about an ex Mormon gay
girl just trying to figure out herlife. My name is Mary, my
name is Shelley. Yes it is. We are recording in a goofy way
today, So I'm hoping that yourstuff's actually recording. Well I hope so
too. Otherwise, UM, yeah, you'll just be hearing Mary and it's
(01:03):
just not as fun. Okay,all right, I want to give a
shout out. Could I do ashout out? Oh? Sure, shout
out to Michelle. I think thatwas her name that we met last night
as we were walking down the streetsof Oldtown Alexandria. Yeah, that was
a random, random sighting. Yeah, Michelle just yelled latter day lesbian and
(01:26):
she was with her friends who don'tknow about the podcast, and they were
horrified that she would just yell hatespeech in downtown or in old town Alexandria.
So yep, but it wasn't hatespeech, it was love speech.
Well I felt the love. Wait, I have more shout outs. Oh
you do happy birthday to both Dianaand Kimberly. Oh yeah, friends of
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Yes, we're getting it back on. Don't worry. Gotta work on
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there's more moving that's happening. It'sI'm moving again. So we're ramping
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(02:10):
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You can always start over at thebeginning, Okay. I mean, I'm
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I haven't done that. I'll haveto do a post. All right,
okay, all right, back tobusiness. All right, Should we just
(03:14):
get into this episode about book banning? Yes, all right, this was
prompted. Do you get those newsalerts on your phone, by the way,
shell, No, you don't getnews alerts. That's how I found
out about my news because I getalerted. I should probably sign up for
something like that. Yeah, Andso then it goes to the news app
that you have on your iPhone.Got then you can read stories unless you
(03:36):
don't have a subscription to some ofthem, but sometimes you can just read
them. Okay. I was ableto read this story. This was from
August twenty sixth, so a whileago, Detroit Free Press, and I'm
just gonna read this article. Readit. A Michigan town may lose its
only library after its staff refused toremove an lgbt Q book. Good for
(04:00):
them, though, good for thelibrary. Stand up for yourself exactly.
Okay. When a library staff anda West Michigan township refused to remove its
books containing LGBTQ themes, go libraryresident. I edited that part. That's
good. Residents voted to defund theironly library. They were like, we'd
rather have no library at all thana library with the filth and here,
(04:25):
yeah, with a queer book exactly. Yeah, We'd rather have no reading
than gay reading, even if it'slike one percent of the books, and
this library shut it down right,and it might not even be one percent.
Remember when we interviewed our shelves andthat lovely lady was talking about how
(04:46):
hard it is for libraries to getqueer books in there, because you have
to request them and then the authorshave to see that they want them,
and blah blah blah. Anyway,there are not a lot in these libraries,
and yet people get the stick shovedso far up their ass that they're
like, wait, there's two books. Shut the whole fucking thing down,
right, right, right right,Yeah, ridiculous. The Patmos, I
(05:09):
don't know if I'm saying that correctly. Could be Patmos. Say it however
you want, Okay. The PatmosLibrary and Jamestown Township outside of Grand Rapids,
Michigan, lost eighty five percent ofits operating budget after an August second
vote when it's funding was up forrenewal. A conservative Christian group Weird That
(05:30):
Never Happened Never had campaigned against thelibrary because of books it has deemed inappropriate
for children. The issue will beback on the ballot in November. There's
still time. Everybody's coming up.If you're in Michigan, get out there
and vote right one last time tosave the library. If it doesn't pass,
(05:50):
the library will likely close. I'mgonna just say, library, let's
turn it into a drinking game.Every time you say library, I have
a sip of my coffee. Anyoneat home, I want to play.
The saga illustrates a growing trend ofbook banning debates across the country that center
on LGBTQ books. While banning booksis a decades old practice, thank you,
(06:14):
Puritan America. Yeah, I wasgonna say that's only because Christianity is
more than decades old. It's neverjust like your random person. It's like
a random person living in your town. That's like ban the books. It's
always based on some kind of fuckedup Puritan religion. Christianity name it,
what for Mormonism, name it.There's always some kind of religion behind banning
(06:36):
books. Of course, Shelley.We have to protect the children, yeah,
from the world, sure, theevil world, the evil, evil
world where there are queers that ohgosh, that reminds me. Sorry side
note, we're watching a League oftheir own. We just finished it.
This series a phenomenal series. Anyway. In there, there's like this girl
(06:58):
who's afraid of everything, and shethinks that every things out to get her.
And she realizes that one of theother girls is a lesbian they call
them what inverts, Yeah, andshe's horrified at it. Doesn't want to
be your friend anymore. Blah.Blah blah. And then the other girl,
Carson gives her kind of like aspeech about you're afraid of eating canned
foods that are bent. Your friend, like listing all these things that this
(07:18):
girl's afraid of, but she's like, just live your life right and keep
your friends. And so the nextday Carson comes in the room and this
girl who's afraid of everything, she'strying to overcome her fears, and she
runs up to Carson kisses her righton the mouth, and then backs when
it's like, oh my gosh,it's not contagious. I'm not attractive to
you at all. This is fantastic. So I think there was a compliment
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and there's somewhere somewhere somewhere. Yeah, but the realization that you can't catch
gayness right right, I'm not surewhat this has to do with. Oh,
it was the fears, the religiousattacking the gaze because they think it's
contagious, right, and if yourchildren read queer themed or whatever books,
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they're gonna become gay. Yeah,it doesn't work that way. I know.
Um, we oddly and are oneof our airbnbs has a have a
book on carpentry. I'm not surewhere that came from. But I'm wondering.
It's from nineteen sixty something, butit's cool looking and it's a very
retro. But I'm wondering if oneof your kids read that carpentry book,
would they suddenly become a carpenter?Oh sure, or want to be a
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carpenter because they read a book aboutit. Yeah, they would suddenly feel
You know how many books I've readon different subjects and I haven't been influenced
by that. M huh, weird. Weird. You would think that I'd
be so easily influenced by everything I'veever well answered this, have you ever
read a book that has heterosexual couples? Oh? Wow? Yeah, and
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seen shows and movies so bombarded bythat? Are you straight now? Exactly?
Your point is taken. Oh andI read a lot of the Bible
too, and that didn't stick.You'd think I'd be a big old Christian
or whatever because of all the Biblereading I did back in the day.
That didn't really stick either, No, thank god, because the Bible's pretty
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fucked up, especially the Old Testament. But we've talked about that before.
Yeah, So the point is,what good does it do removing certain subjects
from libraries or wherever else. Ifyou think that your kid is going to
read whatever book. Oh, theyread a cookbook today. Guess what.
They still can't cook for shit.You know, it doesn't work that way.
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It doesn't just doesn't work that way. Okay, And I am not
sure, but I am guessing witha big opinion here that these books are
trying to ban are not telling peoplehow to be a queer. It's not
step by step right with pictures.Oh that would have been helpful, wouldn't
it. Oh God, I wouldhave loved that book. Why wasn't that
in my library? I was toobusy like reading Where the Red Fern Grows
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and crying over and over. Weshould write a funny how to be a
lesbian. There's probably a how tobe a lesbian book out there, but
a joking one, not like howto become a lesbian. And that's what
the Christians are worried about. Thepeople will become a lesbian, their straight
kids will be swallowed up in vaginafantasies. That was hard to say.
Okay, Can I get continue withthis article? Place? Yes? Sorry?
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All right? Well, I wassaying, while banning books is a
decades old practice. Conservative groups haverecently focused on removing ones that center on
sexuality and gender identity. No coincidencethere, along with race and religion,
also no coincidence there. I'm guessingthe Bible may or may not still be
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in there, but I think itwould be. And this is just me
guessing. I don't have the factson this, but I would think that
they are banning books that are antireligion, that are atheist based. But
this is my opinion. I don'tknow, just throwing that shit out there.
We could probably research that, Iwould say, probably or leg Wickan
or whatever. Right, Yeah,anything that's not Christian exactly. So this
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fight has come to a head atthe Patmos Library in Michigan, Okay,
they're protesting all LGBTQ books that areon our shelves, said Larry Walton,
Library board president. They want toban books, which is unacceptable. We
the board will not ban books.Thank you, Larry, Thank you.
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Out of about sixty seven thousand materials, about ninety pieces could be relative to
LGBTQ themes. That's what I'm saying. What is the percentage on sixty seven
thousand books, only ninety are thematicto LGBTQ stuff. If I knew how
to do that math with my calculator, I would, but it's very,
very low. It's a small percentage. Again, if you have a carpentry
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book on the shelf doesn't mean ifyour kid reads it, they're going to
be a carpenter. This is sostupid. There's like alien books and shit
too, like dinosaur books. Youthink those are the dinosaurs that are from
other planets that God kitty litter orscoop and no scattered around the Earth.
Yes, No, what I meanis there? I'm sure they're myth.
Dinosaurs didn't exist, Shelley. Theycame from other planets. God used the
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big kittler scoop and gobbled him up, dumped him here to make it to
intersense of why the earth is?He needed layers. He just needed layers,
so he puts some fossils in there. Gotcha? What I meant was
there? I'm sure there are fictionnot true books that star like a cat
that talks, that's true. Ithink there are talking animal books out there.
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Yeah, how does that affect?I don't know. They're gonna think
their animals are gonna start talking.We're misleading children, right, and let
me also throw this out there.I could understand a parent not wanting a
young child to read a book thatis sexually explicit, okay, but that
for me, that's whether it's straightor queer, I don't care. I
could understand me not wanting Cassidy toread like The Joy of Sex by what
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was her name again, I don'tknow, Ruth, doctor Ruth. However,
libraries are always split into age groups, right, So when I go
to my public library, the kidssection is off to the left, and
there's not going there will be therewill be books for now anyway, you
know, like Jimmy has to Daddyor something like that. But it's it's
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toned to that age group to havean understanding of families. So kids who
are in those kind of families don'tfeel like they're weird, and kids who
are not in queer families can understand. Right, So it's not like we're
letting elementary schools read gay porn.That's not it and that you know,
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and that's stuff that I hear fromthe right is like kids shouldn't even be
reading about sex at that age.I'm like, well, sure, I
agree, but they're not giving themsex books at that age about straight or
queer relationships. Right now, ifyou've got let's say, a teenager or
young adult who is quite possibly experimentingwith sex, with their identity, with
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everything, why should they not havebooks available to help them feel normal,
right, so that something they canrelate to exactly? Yeah, well I
agree. Basically it's sucking up thequeer people. Bottom line. Once again,
who loses the queers? Sure?I mean the queer kids. Yeah,
I'll throw that out there the nextqueer generation. Well, right,
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and then this thing is thrown intheir faces. If it weren't for you
queers, we would have a libraryhere. Basically, that's the message,
right, wouldn't have those nine booksout of how many thousand? Yeah?
You only read that stat again,sure, ninety books out of sixty seven
thousand. Yeah. Those of youwho know math and you just listen to
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this podcast, go ahead and postthat in Latter Day Lesbian podcast discussion.
Thanks, Joe, are you listening, Joe? What's the math? I
count that ship was out here?Oh my gosh, Okay, let me
continue. Okay. Ahead of thevote, a Christian group called Jamestown Conservatives
placed large signs in the town ship, urging residents to vote no, citing
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concerns that the library was grooming childrenwith books containing explicit material and LGBTQ themes.
Once again, you read a bookon carpentry, you don't become a
carpenter. How many times we haveto go over there? Well, that
was like the sixth time. Iwould also take a gander that if this
conservative group were to look through allof the books that are there available,
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they will find heterosexual theme books thatare just as explicit that they think the
queer books are. Yeah, whatabout just going after the queers? That's
it. I bet they have likefifty shades of gray. So I was
wondering that was the exact thing thatpopped into my head. Is that in
libraries they're not talking about it.I bet it is, But there's not
fifty shades of queer gray. Goodanalogy listeners, you know what the fuck
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I mean? Right? How manydifferent ways I have to say it?
It's fucked up. It's a doublestandard, Yes, because the gays are
out to recruit, recruit yep,I want all of the young girls to
go to home depot with me,wear cargo pants. That's all I want.
We're gonna listen to melist the Etheridgealong the way. We're gonna wear
plaid flannel blouses. We were justthinking about that episode of Old Blouse and
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the Laundry. Where's that blood flannelblouse? Yeah, we were relieving our
video. Well, that episode iscalled not Your Typical Lipstick Lesbian. I
don't remember what episode number is,but that's pretty damn funny. But our
videos on our YouTube page, yep, where you could just say channel if
you want the videos on our YouTubechannel. As you're funny, you're fun
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to tease. Okay. The contentand some of the books contains graphic sexual
dialogue and narrative, So quick,groom and our kids. No child has
an innate sense of being gender queeror gender fluid. It is manipulative,
destructive and wrong, not true.A library that pushes this agenda is disrespectful.
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This is from someone named Donna Rothman. She said you, Donna Rotman.
She said it at an August eighthboard meeting. So again back to
the subject of are the heterosexual booksthere are? They don't. They don't
talk about sure to be straight,to have a normal babies, that's normal,
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normal, And come on the librariesare pushing an agenda. There's ninety
books out of whatever that number was. You keep saying it's not if there
was an actually an actual agenda,they would be everywhere. Yeah, they're
just trying to have all populations represented. Is that so wrong? I don't
think so. Okay. The bookthat sparked the controversy at Patmos or pat
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Mos, I'm not sure. Someonehelped me out here is called Gender Queer,
a Memoir, a graphic novel byMaya Kobabi. Not sure if I'm
saying that correctly. That details they'reexperiences exploring gender identity and sexuality. It
is the most commonly banned book,according to an analysis from pen America,
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a literary and free speech organization.Patmos Library refused to ban Gender Queer,
but did remove it from its spotin the adult section and placed it behind
the counter. Oh so it's likeit's like when you want to go buy
Suda fed you can't do that anymore. You have to request it behind a
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counter or condoms. Yes, verysimilar. Wow, that is crazy.
That's like here back in the closetplease, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah. You have to know whatyou're you can't just browse for it.
You have to come in knowing whatbook you want. Well, they wouldn't
want a straight person accidentally stumbling uponit, reading it and becoming queer.
I hate when that happened. It'shorrible. Is that what happened to me?
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No? Yeah, you know howmany straight books I've read? Get
back to that, and I'm notstraight. I have read zero queer books.
Zero. Really, you never readone single one. I've listened in
the recent past too, maybe three, But I'm seeing my entire life I
never did yet. Yeah, hereyou are. Yeah, yeah, I
can attest folks. Shelley is queer. Trust me on this one. Thanks
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Mary, did you just out me? I know all right? Interested readers
would have to specifically ask for thisbook that is behind the counter gender queer.
Everybody asked for gender queer. Yes, by the way, good idea
their local libraries. Okay. Residentsalso wanted to ban Kiss Number eight and
Spinning Don't Know these both graphic novelsthat depict girls realizing they want to kiss
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other girls. Go girls wanting tokiss other girls. I'm nothing wrong with
it. As a matter of fact, it's amazing, but I'm not recruiting
just so we're clear. Yeah,I'm just a fan. Well, I
bet there's books about girls wanting tokiss boys. I mean shit right,
Like I couldn't think of any becauseI'm not really a reader in Moore.
But like, yes, there arebooks of even elementary school, so many,
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we just can't think of any.By the way, neither of these
books contain nudity. But this library, I said, library again, drink
they want to ban both these booksabout kissing girls. Okay. Jamestown resident
Connor Cook twenty five, said heI don't know why his age is important,
but whatever, said he witnessed homophobiagrowing up in the township as queer,
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but the failed millage was still agut punch, oh for sure.
Yeah. Cook volunteered at the libraryduring the summer and said pat Mus was
a safe space for him to learn, a place where he could be himself.
Not anymore, Nope. He washomeschooled and said he had limited access
to resources, so the library helpedhim explore the world on his terms.
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He said. We walked around ourworld every day surrounded by hate directed toward
specific groups of people, and mostof us have the privilege to ignore it,
including myself. He said. Thisdecision to defund the library was like
waking up one morning realizing they camefor your home. Yeah, wow,
I know, because there was asafe space for him once pond time.
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If Patmos Library closes, the roughlyeight thousand Jamestown residents won't have access to
a nearby library and the resource itprovides, like reliable WiFi. Libraries outside
the area charge up to one hundredand fifty dollars in fees for nonresident Cards
said, I don't know how topronounce this person, a former librarian at
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Patmos. Libraries are one of thelast social places in our world where there
doesn't exist the expectation to spend money. So that freedom to be able to
go and pick up a movie forthe night and not have to pay to
rent it, or taking out aboard game for family game night. Wow,
I didn't know you could do allthis, or kids going to use
the computers to research for projects.That all stops, she said. Removing
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LGBTQUE books or putting them behind acounter sends a message that people who want
to read these books or identify withthese characters in the books are not fit
to be in public. Exactly exactlythat is the message it sends, we
had to close our library because ofyou queers. Get out. This world
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doesn't want you, starting with ourtown. Fuck that shit, Fuck that
shit. It's twenty twenty two,right like the year. I'm not sure
it should be, but people aren'tacting like it. Yeah, I'm going
to wrap this up. There isstill a way to be involved. They
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have a go fund me. Oh. If you go to go fund me
dot com, search up Patmos Libraryand they have a fund there to save
the library. Good and that issad that you need to save a library.
Well it is, but this isgoing to come up for a vote
again and yeah November. I meanthey could be defunded in November. Oh
I know. I'm just saying,how Saturday is in twenty twenty two.
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We need to help a random libraryin Michigan stay open, Yeah, because
they're being attacked by this fucking rightwing conservative Christian group that hates the gays.
Yeah. Basically, they're trying toraise two hundred and forty five thousand
dollars and as of a month ago, they had one hundred and seventy eight
thousand donations. Good. Definitely gettingthere. If you would like to help
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the Patmos Library if I'm saying thatcorrectly. In Jamestown Township in Michigan,
go to go fundme dot com andthrow them a couple of bucks. I'm
sure they'd appreciate it, and somequeer books can get back on the show.
Yes, we have more to talkabout about this subject. Don't more
of a local take on it inVirginia? Yes? Right, Just so
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happens that the local it's called ViennaPatch. I think in the Vienna is
where I will be moving to inlike five days, and I haven't started
packing. A news blurb came outof there and talking about the books that
are being banned. So yeah,I want to touch on that just a
bit. All right, Why don'twe take a quick break and we'll get
to it in just a second.Alrighty, you're right back, and we're
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back. I spoke about the ViennaPatch into a small town. We're just
outside of Washington, DC, sowe get some big news that comes in
anyway, this is coming out ofArlington, Virginia, which is close,
and it's banned books week school officialsat nine school districts in Virginia, including
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Fairfax County Public schools. That's wheremy kiddos go. We're among those challenging
and banning books in what a BannedBooks Week twenty twenty two report called an
unprecedented fashion. While school districts acrossVirginia banned books over the past year,
Virginia Beach started it. Really yeah, go pat ro Robertson representing the Christian
Coalition or whatever the hell fuck orall right, I'm skipping that boring paragraph.
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The report from pen America, aNew York based literary and free expression
nonprofit advocacy group, highlights how challengesto books have become a political issue nationwide.
It is political. I mean,now we have social media. You
see, it's all fucking political.And if you are a conservative you have
to believe this one way, right, and if you're liberal you have to
believe this one way. They're crossovers, for sure. But it seems to
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me that the conservative side of things, at least what I see on social
media, is on the attack.Why does it have to be like that?
Why can't we be like, Oh, I'm a Republican, but I
don't agree with all these things.Oh I'm a Democrat, Well I don't
agree with all these things. Whycan't that be Okay, there are some,
but it's rare. It is rare. It's like you have to get
on board with everything the party.Well, sure, because every time there's
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elections coming up. By the way, we've got election season around here coming
up. Commercials and promotions and allthose things. The ads, they are
almost always hated based and fear based, very polarizing. Yes, you have
to scare your people into voting foryou. If you do it for me,
then the other side is going tobe, you know, killing babies
right after they're born, or pushingthat queer agenda. Yes, you know,
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somehow takes away from our traditional families. I still haven't figured that.
I still haven't taken away from it. I'm trying, but I haven't been
able to succeed anyway. The articlealso says a majority of the targeted books
focus on sexual identity, race,and racism. I was thinking about this.
Do you remember in the news.I think it's been in the last
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year where people wanted to get ridof the statues of generals and things from
the South who were pro slavery.Sure, so, my right wing friends
would argue that, oh, well, you wanted to erase history by getting
rid of the statues. And it'slike, no, this is so different.
Getting rid of statues is not erasinghistory. It is a statement of
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No, we don't admire these peoplewho had slaves. Yeah, and why
do we have to memorialize shitty assholepeople. Yeah, yeah, we're not
erasing history. I mean you canread there's no way to raise history.
No, by the way, no, it is there. Yeah, and
so no, fuckers, it's notthe same thing. It's saying, you
know what, we don't idolize thesepeople exactly. We don't literally and figuratively
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put them on pedestals. Literally,they are on a pedestal to be memorialized.
Right, No, not okay,get rid of it? Yep,
okay, so um, right wingers, fuck that argument doesn't work for me.
In Virginia, by the way,where my kids are attending school in
Fairbecks County. The books that arebanned included temporary removal are Number one,
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Gender Queer a Memoir, same one. Yep, that one gets a lot
of traction. There's one called lawnBoy. I think I'd like to read
these and see what the fuck areyou so freaked out about. I am
a gay wizard, this is fuckingawesome. Out of Darkness. Let me
back up. I'm putting the authorsout there if he wants to support these
books by getting them, asking forthem in libraries, ordering them online.
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Gender Queer a Memoir by Maya I'msorry, Koebabe, Kobobby, thank you,
sorry, I'm sorry, sir.Yeah, lawn Boy by Jonathan Evanson,
We've got I'm a Gay Wizard byVs. Santoni, out of Darkness
by Ashley Hope, Perez, ThePoet X by Elizabeth Asavado, and When
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Aid and Became a Brother by KyleLukoff. Why don't you send these to
me and I can put them inthe show description, the show notes and
then people can just look them up. Okay, I'll stop reading because there's
a bunch more along these same lines. There was also an article that came
out. Okay, this just kindof made me laugh because sometimes the VNA
patch they just kind of list what'sgoing on in the paper that you're about
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to read, and it starts withtransgender student State Guidelines, black Bear sightings,
Top Virginia News. What that's funny. I know, I'm like,
there could have been there should havebeen a way that you could, you
know, somehow separate that out.Okay, here's what's going around here.
Virginia Governor Glenn Junkin's ass hat newschool guidelines restrict transgender student rights. Like
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what the fuck? Thanks bro.Virginia Governor Glen Younkins administration release state education
guidelines that would roll back the rightsof transgender students, moved by the States
Republican governor weird that is expected tobe challenged in court. The new model
policies released Friday will likely have tobe adopted by all of the states one
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hundred and thirty three school districts inOctober. They will require transgender students to
use school bathrooms and locker rooms matchingthis sex they were assigned at birth.
Let me start with that one.That's fucked up A but I'll also say
that that has been an issue forright wing forever, So I'm not surprised
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at that right because they don't understandtheir home homophobes. How difficult it would
it be to add another bathroom?Like I love when I go into a
restaurant and it's just a bathroom.Well, we don't have a budget,
you know what, let's budget someshit. Can we budget some shit for
education and schools where our children go, so we don't have how about diversity
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among children? That thought? Okay, Also, schools have doors on their
bathroom stalls period, end of story. I mean, I could see in
school where let's say a girl startingher period wouldn't want to share a bathroom
with boys. Just add a thirddamn bathroom. No, I get it.
I get it at a third bathroom. But again, I see,
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I'm not surprised this part. I'mnot surprised at I'm like, whatever they've
been, they've been fearmongering this sincethe beginning of time. Here's the one
that really, I mean, itall pisses me off, but this is
really like why you got to beso mean? Right? The policies also
make it difficult for students to changetheir name and gender at school. What
why is that? Because that didn'tyou tell me that the teachers were They're
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asking teachers to use their birth name. You use their birth name. That's
what principles are asking teachers to do, right, yes, younkins. Virginia
Department of Education also stated in themodel policies that the legal name and sex
of a student cannot be changed evenupon written instruction of a parent or eligible
student without an official legal document orcourt order. That's fucked up. When
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I was in seventh grade, theteacher asked first day school, what would
you like to be called? AndI thought it would be funny to say
Gidget. And I was called Gidgetfor that entire year. There was no
problem that you have a new nickname. I do. I still have papers
where I'm like Gidget Johnson. Fuckingawesome. I found this at my parents'
house. Shelley's new name. Everybodyfeel free to send her messages. Greetings
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Gidget, Say what's up? Gidget? Lying nun? Love it flying Nun.
She's not the same person. Ohwell, Gidget isn't the flying nun.
It is in the Flying Nun.No, Sally Field played Gidget and
the Flying Nun two different characters.Okay, got it, let me continue
reading. Okay. This is alsopart of the model that dickhead Yunkan is
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putting out there. Oh, weneed to come out with an apology.
Oh so I have been known tolabel Dalin a chokes like that bald asshole
or whatever. I say that.And we got a letter from someone,
and thank you for sending that instating you're being aggressive with the word bald
can be hurtful to certain people whomight have alopecia or anyone who anyone,
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Yeah, yes, anyone yaone.Shouldn't make fun of people based on physical
characteristics, yes, and my apologies. We shouldn't make fun of people the
podcast. Okay, how about basedon their strict conservative Mormon. Of course
we're going to make fun of that. Okay, we're allowed to do that.
Yes, no, no more hisbaldness just he's the devil. Okay,
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so sorry, Sorry, we've hurtanyone's feeling. I have absolutely no
problem with bald people. I havea big problem with dalin a jokes.
Okay. Going on about this newmodel put out by the governor, teachers
and other school officials can only referto a student by their pronouns associated with
their sex at birth, and teacherswill not be required to refer to a
student's chosen names, regardless of paperwork, if they feel doing so would violate
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their constitutionally protected rights. Thank god. So even if the student gets their
name legally changed, if the teachershave a problem with it, they can
keep calling him Sally or her Jonathanlike what the because it goes against their
constitutionally protected rights. The teachers yesto not have to call what they think
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is a boy. How is thatreligion? Religion? They like to act
like freedom of religion means you couldtreat people like shit if you have a
problem with them being queer. Separateof state and religion has never actually truly
completely happened in this country. Fuckall, y'all. If the policies receive
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final approval, they will affect morethan one million children enrolled in the States
public school system. Many of thesestudents are expressing deep concerns about the model
policies released Friday. As a matterof fact, you know what, what
gidget shout it my kids that goto Madison High School. I love Madison
High School and this is part ofthe reason that my ex hates Madison High
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School. So Madison High School sentout a letter saying that they love all
of their LGBTQ plus students and theyknow that there's some worry and issues and
things going on right now with theselaws, and that they're here for everyone.
Wow. Yeah, it's a greatschool. It's a great school.
This is what a student said aboutthe policies as a closeted student. I
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wouldn't be able to come home ifmy parents found out that I was queer.
I am terrified that these draft regulationswill take away one of the few
places I can just be myself.Yeah. Awful. The Youngcan administration counters
that the new policies are part ofhis commitment to parental rights someone else's parents
and their rights about your child.Right, Oh my god. He also
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says, the asshole, it isnot under a schools or the government's purview
to impose a set of particular ideologicalbeliefs on all students. What the fuck
are you doing when you're pressing heterosexuality. You're doing the same thing that you
are accusing the queer community of doing. Shelley, That's normal. Sorry,
Gidget, thanks, that's right.So again, this is going to go
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to a vote and hopefully gets struckdown. Democrat Delegate Danica Roem she says,
you can't use executive action to overturnwhatever this code is. The Virginia
Human Rights Act ROM, Virginia's firstopenly transgender state lawmakers said in a tweet,
if you want to break the law, then we'll see you in court.
Nice. Yeah, let's go.Craig Kna, the University of Virginia
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law professor, said the Young administration'snew policies simply ignore Virginia Statute. It's
like these people that have such astrong belief that the queers are out to
destroy everything, they think they canjust Oh, I'm governor, let's make
a law. Fuck them, we'remaking a law. You can't just be
governor and make a fucking law,dude. I guess he can. Well
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he has, but hopefully get struckdown because it goes against human rights.
Baby, sorry, Gidget. Thinkabout how many laws in this country alone
have gone against human rights over thedecades. It just what else is new?
I know, I think just becauseit's more focused now. Well,
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for the longest time I was partof this right wing bullshit and so none
of this this didn't phase me.I'm like, damn right, get those
books out because I was brainwashed andfucked in the head. Now that I'm
on the other side of it andsee the hurt and the pain and I
am surrounded by the queer community,I get pissed. A piss I have
children who might not be able towho walks upt for our mom be exposed
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in school to what is actually normaldifferent genders, different identities, different races.
You know, group plans, protestof model policies. Thank you,
thank you, October sixth at LutherJackson Middle School, and I bet there
will be tons of conservatives as well, so that'll be a fun fight.
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They say the revised guidelines will hurtstudents in a time where students are facing
unparalleled mental health challenges. Thank you. Yeah, why are you fucking doing
this when you hopefully know that LGBTQplus youth are the top as far as
suicide ideation and attempting suicide and suicidein general. So when you say you're
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trying to protect the family, fuckyou. You're trying to protect certain families.
Yeah. Do you think it's moreimportant that your child never sees anything
queer? Is that? Is Johnnymore important than Susie who is considering taking
their own life because of this?I fucking hit None of my none of
(38:14):
my kids, None of my kidsare more important than a child who will
take their own life because of whatI'm teaching. I love my kids,
I adore my kids, but Ido not want to teach them anything and
have them act in any way thatwould cause another child to want to take
their own life, right period,end of a fucking story. Yeah,
(38:37):
thanks for coming to my ted,It's all I got baby. Oh no,
you did have that little thing aboutthose personal libraries that people have.
What are those called? Yeah?Yeah, I can't think of it.
It's like the little library where peoplecan be called little library, I don't
know. And it used to takea book and then do you drop off
a book or you just take booksor whatever? Does that work in Vienna?
(38:58):
And it's I'm sure it's other placesto people can build like a mini
libraries basically looks like a large mailbox. Typically they're everywhere. Okay, so
it's not to know. I'm justnot I just don't remember what they're called.
Yeah, yeah, I don't know. And I know that our good
friend Diana who's been on the podcasthas one in her front yard and she
(39:19):
specifically wants and does put queer booksin there, and same thing that I
want to do. Anyway, myencouragement if people are like, well,
what are we supposed to do that? Well, I mean this is this
is infuriating. What do we doA talk about it? Be if you're
in a house where you are allowedto put something out front, build a
library. You can look online andhow to do it. You can find
(39:42):
the books. Likely once in awhile someone will put a book of Mormon
in your library, and now that'shappened before. You may burn that one
and ban it. But let's keepthose books out there. What if libraries
get shut down, we as thecommunity can keep those books out there available
to people who need them. It'scalled little Free library. There you go,
(40:02):
and you can go to a littleFree Library dot org if you want
to start your own. I loveit. So you're going to start one?
Yes, Gidget, Yes, Mary, that's just too funny. I'm
Marry, I'm Gidget. Oh mygosh. Well I'm excited about you starting
(40:22):
that. That's really too Yeah.Diana is cool. It's all decorated with
LGBTQ colors, Yeah, trans andgay flag, all that stuff. It's
cool as it should be. Yeah. Well shit, everybody, we gotta
we gotta stop this bullshit. Yeah, fight back, people, fight the
fuck back, help us out.Let's take another commercial break, and then
(40:45):
we've got some patrons and supercast members. Maybe we just need to do their
last names according to book titles seemsappropriate book titles that exist? Well,
yeah, would you want to makethem up? Well, I might have
to because I don't know a lotof books. I've read a lot when
I was young, and then Iturned old and got hella busy. But
I am listening to audiobooks lately.Well that counts. That counts. All
(41:08):
right, great, all right,there are a lot of books out there.
Yes, I think we got this, Yes, all right, We'll
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we are back. Let me getmy list. What do you have?
Exactly five patrons? Right? Numberone is one of my favorite people,
and I'm just gonna say his fullname, oh shit, and then
give him a new name. Richardrawlins. He is so fun. Yeah,
we've run him to him numerous times. He always dresses up at some
as something hilarious. When we werein Utah, he dressed as Joseph Smith.
(43:00):
But as interpreted via south Park SouthParks Interpretation nominal h Richard rawlins.
We need we need a word thatstarts with our. You mean a book?
Yes, all right? Is itcheating to look up book titles?
No? Ahead, just fifty famousbook titles from literature. Go, um,
here's one called Rosemary and Rue.Have you ever heard of that?
(43:22):
I have not, but Richard Rosemaryis a great name, is it?
And Rosemary also is delicious on pork. Yeah, I'm kind of into sage
right now. We did buy somestage at the farmer's market, and we
bought some papas roots. We did. I'm just saw on that out there.
Pause and talk about it. Sure, talk about some papas. Next
(43:44):
up, Christie. N Oh,well, I've got one here called No
Wind of Blame. I've never heardof this book. Well that would make
her name Christie. No. Ohyou don't like that, I mean Christie,
No Christie, No Wind of Blame. Okay, take that and do
what you want for it. Christie, thanks for your patronage. By the
(44:05):
way, Sorry about the ship name. Oh how about Christie? No Country
for Old Men? Oh that's agood better one. Yeah, it's a
good book as well. I justI saw the movie. Okay, next
and get a book. Oh Iwant one. Oh, you got one
as good as it gets. Isthat a book or just a movie?
I don't know, but I likeit. Okay, fine, you do
(44:27):
one. That's a great movie.By the way, Mike an it starts
with A. I mean as isnot really a word. How about Anne
of green Gables gonna be the greengame green Gables? And I apologize profusely
that Mary gave you that name,and of green Gables, thanks for your
patronage. Please don't cancel just becausethat's your name. The next one,
(44:52):
the name that this person chose toput was Emily with two s two s's
Nope, just ses could be atypo? Oh? Could she wants?
Is the last name? Emily withtwo s? Ees? What letter am
I using? I'm not sure what'shappening. Let's go with E because it's
ees. Okay, because he's aneasy one. Nope? Why am I
(45:16):
having trouble thinking of book titles rightnow? I don't know? Oh I
got one, okay, go Eastof Eden John Steinbeck. Okay, the
author of that one. I likeit. We could have also done Eclipse.
Oh right, but in the NewMoon or whatever Twilight series? The
Twilight series? Has that been banned? Probably no, because it was written
(45:37):
by a Mormon. Oh that's true, and it is all heterosexual. It
is, and they don't actually havesex till they're married. Oh, thank
you Mormons. For showing that shitin there. I say, we banned
that fucking book. Emily with twoeclipses. Two eclipses, well, that
was the name of the book,so it's not East of Eden that had
two ease in it. Naturally,Emily with two East of Eden that is
better. It's two s's or twoease. I'm so just fly, just
(46:00):
go on, Thank you, Emily, Thanks Emily. Next up, Audrey
b b Huh, Okay, Ihave to go back to a kid's book
that I liked. Okay, BerensteinBears, I love that one. Double
b. Yeah, Audrey Berenstein Bears, Thank you so much for your patronage.
(46:20):
Everybody, thank you? Serious?Is that all? Five? That's
five? Now you got some squadcast, right or super cast whatever you
want to call you pick a name. We're giving people new names right now.
So see you're read naming super castsquadcast. Squadcast is actually a way
to record remote interviews. We don'tuse it currently. Oh so I can't
(46:43):
just take that name and use itbecause it's already a thing. Okay,
okay, So the first up forsuper Cast members Scott w and then the
book that comes to mind. Iwant to do it. You have been
waiting for a w You have Wherethe Red Fern Grows. Oh, okay,
that's a good one. I wasgonna say when to the Willows?
But I like yours. Thank you, Scott, Where the Red Fern Grows?
Thank you? All right? Well, do you have an S for
(47:07):
Angela s? I have one?Okay? Go. Ernest Hemingway wrote,
the Sun also rises. I wasn'tcounting the yeah, like you wouldn't let
me count the ass. The sunalso rises. I like it. Have
we read any of these books?Of all the books she named, I
read Berenstein Bears and We're The RedFern Grows. That's it. Did you
(47:28):
read any of them? I didn'tread. I was going to say I
read East of Eden, but Ididn't. But there was a movie starring
Jane Seymour back in the day thatI watched about them. That book.
Yeah, I think I was thatbook. But in movie for got you
you know how it happens. Yeah, people take books and they turn them
into movies. Right. Oh.Speaking of shout out to our friend Katie
Mack, she recommended I listened tothe book where the Crawdad's Seeing on an
(47:52):
audio book and I did, andI really enjoyed it. And then the
movie just came out on Amazon Primeand Mary and I watched it and I
fucking loved it because I knew thebackground and like the details of it all.
Yeah, thanks Katie Mack. Totallyloved it. M M. The
next name is Heather E. It'sanother E, isn't it it is?
(48:12):
How about Eat Pray Love? Didanyone ever see that? Yeah? See
it or read it. I'm gonnago with read it, Eat Pray Love.
That's a great one. Yeah,you've read it, or you watched
it, or you just heard it'sgreat. Um, I think see we're
going with whoever said it was great? That's your new last name? All
right? And the last Supercast membertoday Emily are An. There are Yeah,
(48:38):
here's one I haven't read. It'ssupposed to be um one of the
top fifty books. It's called Remembranceof Things Past, although I don't get
too hung up on remembering things pastbecause I want to I like to live
in the moment. I can't rememberjack shit, so it's it's not.
Yeah. So if there's one calleda Anxious about the Future, that would
(48:58):
be book. Yeah, I thinkyou should write that lets people can relate.
I mean, let me tell youeverything I'm worried about that's gonna go
down today. Yep, that couldbe a great best seller. I'm sure
I can go on this list.Next year we'll be reading this list and
it'll say fifty one of the bestbooks ever sold. Well, yeah,
it's for people who are tired ofjust maintaining sort of a level content life
(49:20):
of no drama. Like people getsick of that. Sometimes someone to write
a book on how to blow youranxiety out of the water, stay amped
up all the time. Yes,it sounds like a best seller. Okay,
Well that is going to do itfor Patreon and supercast today. If
you would like to give us support, please visit Latter day lesbian dot org
slash support. Yes, we doappreciate it things, we really do,
(49:43):
and we're trying to crank out moreScandal Sessions episode. We really are.
But at five dollars and above levelyes, on either platform. We have
quite a few out now, soif you haven't joined yet, it's not
like you're going to join and sitaround and wait. Like there's quite a
few out there are that we're tryingto get more out Yeah, it's just
been kind of an summer and itcontinues to be kind of a nutty fall.
But that is gonna come down eventually. I'm moving in a week,
(50:05):
you are, and then I'm actuallymoving to a larger space in my apartment
building as well, so we willhave a recording student, actual studio.
We're doing a goofy thing right now. Yeah, and in my house,
I'm pretty sure there will be roomfor a small recording studio. Look at
that, we can just record everywhere. There you go like it? All
(50:27):
right, Well that's gonna do itfor today's episode. Thanks everybody listening.
Thank you Dan from Extension Audio.Thanks for leaving it in. Dan,
appreciate it. Sorry, this one'sa little goofy. We're gonna get back
to normal as soon as I figureout my garage band problem. I've got
a big garage band problem right now. Not sure what's going on, don't
know. And you know what,Sty're clear of those cults because they are
(50:50):
no joke, no joke at all. Tuculater
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