171: Prisoner of the Prophet Pt 1

Please join us for part 1 of our fascinating, two-part interview with the amazingly brave, cult survivor of the FLDS church, Briell Decker. Her 3-part documentary series, Prisoner of the Prophet, is available on Discovery + or Max on Prime Video Channels.

Music provided by Purple Planet: https://purple-planet.com.

Episode Transcript

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In this episode today. You know, Shelly what we have not had a
guest on in a really long time. I think we should have one on
right now today. Okay, whodo you want to get? Let me
get my phone out. Who doyou want to call? Well, we
already recorded it, so I mean, I'm trying to make their listeners like
it's so spontaneous. I'm feeling allthe spontaneity right now. I have I

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have a phone number, I'll justcall. I'll just call here, calling
people and maybe we can get themto be guests on the show. Yeah,
yeah, here, let me howabout we just run the interview we
already recorded. We're calling We're callingher? Are you're calling Breal right now?
On her? Right now? You'rejust like randomly pushing this is our
number? Can we just get tothe interview we had? Okay, our

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guest today. I want to seeif this actually calls anyone? Who are
you calling? I don't know?International? Is an international? Didn't go
through? Get back to the poundsign yes? Sorry? Sorry? Okay,
So our guest today, and youknow what, we had so much
content we're splitting it up into twoepisodes. Yeah, such a good freaking
interview yeah, I'm not lying totally. And our guest, if I could

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get to it, sorry, isBrielle Decker. Yes, she is the
subject of a documentary called Prisoner ofthe Prophet. Yes, it is about
Warren Jeffs. She was. She'sgoing to come on in a second.
I don't need to tell her story, but she was Warren Jeff's sixty somethink
I think sixty fifth sixty fifth wifewho's counting. Yeah, you know once

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you're above like fifty y. Ithink it's just all kind of blend unbelievable
story. Seriously, please stay tunedto listen to that. Also, at
the end, we've got kind ofa related foom pod we're gonna do.
We're gonna give it a go.Okay, and then patrons, No,
it's not related. The patron namesare going to be related sort of.
Oh so the foom pod has nothingto do with anything in the intern not

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a damn thing. It just wassomething I happened to say, and you're
like what and then we realize,oh, oh that's you don't know what
this is said it in the interview. Okay, we are rambling. We're
two minutes into an intro. Lookat us. Go, don't give up,
don't give up. We're gonna getto it, I promise. All
right, Well we will be rightback. Hey, everybody, welcome to

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Latter Day Lesbian, the podcast aboutan next Mormon gay girl just trying to
figure out her life. My nameis Mary, my name is Shoey,
and I have to say sorry,I'm just gonna keep talking. Our recordings
are very infrequent right now because weare so hella busy. But literally,
every time I hear you say theintro that you just did, I get
happy. I don't know, Idon't know. As much as we're like

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trying to cram in podcasting along withour daily lives, there's just this feeling
of like happiness and home and Ireally like it. Something familiar. Yes,
it's like I'm talking to my friendsout there and I'm a big wide
world. Oh I'm glad that peoplecan give you, I don't know,
warm fuzzies, warm fuzzies. Andmaybe it's something to do with my recording.

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Maybe it's my voice, it's yoursexy recording. It for sure,
that's what it is. Well,why don't we get to our guest,
shall we? Yeah, so Shelley, we have a special guest today.
So excited. Our guest is BrielleDecker from the documentary on Discovery Plus,
Prisoner of the Profit. I thinkthis is our first interview with anyone x

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FLDFLDS. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know. We're so excited.
Brill, welcome to our show.We're so happy to have you. Thank
you. We watched the show.I guess it's been a month saying I
had to pull my jaw off thefloor after watching. Yeah. Wow,
Bril's like the star of the show. Oh yeah, and we'll get in

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that into that in just a second. Um. Also, those of you
who have not seen it, likewhat the hell's wrong with you? On
Discovery Plus or Amazon Prime add on? You have to see this right And
this parting is a spoiler alert?Were right? Yeah that's true. I
don't know this as much as ofa spoiler, but this is like you
will get to know the story somuch better because we're talking to the star.

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And if you've already seen it,watch it again, Like listen to
this episode, watch it again becauseyou're gonna get some more insight there.
So we're so excited. Yeah,before we dive into the nuts and bolts
of the documentary, Brielle, howdid you come to make a documentary for
Discovery? Plus? I got approachedby a producer, and that's usually my

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history anyway with all my media ispeople come to me. And then I
talked to her for a while,kind of got to know her, and
then we decided to sign with herfor a small like a small contract that
was basically saying she has like tenmonths to get all her things in a
row. She didn't really go intowhat she needed to do, but it
took about three years from that daythat we signed to the time that it

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was aired. And in the samemonth that I signed with her, I
had seven other people approached me.That's how great this story is. This
is interesting that coincidentally these other you'reapproached by other producers. How did that
even happen? Was it? Like? Was there an article about you that
came out and now suddenly producers werecalling you? Like? How did that

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go down? When I first escaped, I didn't want to talk in media
at all because I didn't see thepoint of it and I needed a support
system more. I needed to havepeople who knew me on the outside for
survival reasons. More than to bein the media, So for a long
time I just avoided it. Itwas actually when I got Warren Jeff's house

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that I went public because I waslooking for the Dream Center that is now
the Recovery Center. So if youwatched like Inside Edition interview, but people
wanted to see the house because it'sa high profiled house. So that's how
I got really big into media.Yes, we're going to talk extensively about
the Dream Center because I think that'sjust an amazing and amazing thing. So

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really quickly, for those of youwho have never heard of Prisoner of the
Prophet, never heard of Warren Jeffs, Brielle, give us a summary of
who you are and what the FLDSchurch is and who Warren Jeffs is.
Okay, So I was the sixtyfifth wife of Warren Jeff's who is a
cult leader. I call it cult. Some people will shy away from that

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word, but I don't. It'sa cult. Yeah, it's a cult.
So sixty fourth wife is like hehad sixty four one time. It's
not like he was a widower sixtythree times and then to marry you.
These were all at the same time. She said, sixty fifth five.
Yeah, and he had seventy nineby the time he was imprisoned. That's

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amazing. So let's talk about themovie a bit. Something that struck me
right from the beginning, as yousaid, you are proud to be an
apostate, right, and that hitme like, yeah, girl, be
proud. What does it mean toyou to be an apostate? And I
want to know how that makes youso proud? Well, if you google

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what an apostate means in the Greekform, I don't know if that matters
to you guys, but it saysan apostate is a runaway slave. So
I'm like they probably knew that whenthey made all the people who left their
church called an apostate. I believeJon Smith knew that. Yeah, they're
a runaway slave. So yeah,I mean he was back in the days

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of slavery, so um, thatwould do there you go? That would
make sense? Says so much aboutthat guy, know right, know right?
I mean being proud of it islike you escaped. Well, I'm
not a slave anymore. Why wouldI not be proud to be a runoy
slave? Free? I love it. One thing I was laughing at in
the beginning was you talked about howyou were taught that dinosaur bones came from

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other planets. We've talked about thatbefore, and we call it the kitty
litter Scooper where God must have likeon other planets and scooped up the dinosaur
bones with the kitty letter and thrownit into the Earth. And we laugh
about it all the time. AndI couldn't remember where I got it from
it and then you said that,I'm like, oh my gosh, this
must come back from like the originalJoseph Smith teachings for it to be in

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my head as I was a mainstreamMormon. So my question is, you
can talk about more of that ifyou want, but I want to know
some of the weirdest things you weretaught like weird. Growing up. I
didn't think they were weird, butnow sure, right, So there's quite
a few of them. Like theydid talk about in the documentary the Angels
that We're going to come and killeveryone that wasn't wearing long underwear. Oh

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gosh, they talked about wow,yeah, the dinosaurs. Yeah, there's
quite a few different weird things likethe lifting up, the lifting up,
the lifting up Warren Jess taught thatthe center steak of Zion in Missouri was
still the center steak and that inthe destructions were going to come. That's

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always a doctrine and Mormonism usually yep. And the righteous people who are good
enough not so there are some peoplein the church who are still not going
to qualify because they're not like livingright. So according to Warren and Jeff's,
so the righteous people that are actuallyliving the doctrine will be lifted off
the earth when the destructions come andthen sit back down. Got then sit

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back down, okay, like gentlyback down after the destructions. Yeah.
Wow, I hate capital h theword qualify right, that goes around so
much in Mormon and clearly FLDS talkthat you have to be a certain way
to qualify. Hate that word forbeing saved for God to love you to

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get to marry. Warren Jeff's like, all this be qualified stuff. Was
that in your head a lot,like I need to qualify? Yeah,
it was. That's the judgment partof it, I think. Yeah,
when they talk about you know,judging people, you know, tattling on
people. You know, if yousee something that's not good enough, then
you know, it's all about thequalification. Yeah, especially in Warren Jeff's

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group, he did capitalize on separatingfamilies over that one word. Basically,
he is like Jelala Smith Thoughtrine ofthe Missouri when they were kicked out of
Missouri. He said they were kickedout of Missouri because of getting under condemnation.
God said he sent a revelation thedoctor incumnants that says they're under condemnation.

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And so Warren Jeff stood up atchurch and said, I Am going
to decide who was still under condemnationand who is not, and I will
personally call the ones that are notand invite them to a new location to
live more of the laws. Wow. And that's how he started to separate
the families. He definitely is notabout family. No, no, yeah,

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not at all. Warren Jeff's isnot about famili they're Jeves Well he
says it says he is because that'sdefinitely a Mormon thing, you know,
family first, family first. Butyeah, yeah, but the FLDS,
No, it's all about qualifying.Oh okay, is it also the belief
of like if only half of yourfamily qualifies, and you're never going to

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see that other half ever again wellit's threatening, right, it's a way
to controls. Yeah, that's alsoa Mormon belief. You know if if
you know the celestial kingdom, didyou guys have celestial celestial terrestrial? Yeah,
there's many mansions in heaven. Yeah, it's so trippy that this is
like cultier than culty, right,Yeah, but I know these things because

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it was also taught in mainstream Mormonism. But it's almost like FLDS is mainstream
on supercrack, like like more traumamore. And I'm not trying to say
that I relate to you in away that I understand. No, I
don't understand that level. But yeah, exactly, they took everything to the
biggest extreme that they could take itto. Then hesitate to just say Jealsea

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Smith and Undridge bride, so we'regoing to have an undredge brides with kids,
you know, like everything to anew level. Yeah, what about
what the state thinks? Like thestate is against polygamy and there aren't really
though they just made it legal inUtah. I'm pretty much not legal,
but it's like a parking ticket.They couldn't make it legal. They tried

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that first, but because the SupremeCourt said no, years ago they couldn't
make it legal, so they actuallymade it a parking ticket in Utah.
So they just kind of ignore it. Well, what you're saying is they
just ignore it. Well, theyactually made it almost legal, as legal
as they could possibly make it.Right, right, right, what about
the pedophile aspect? How does Utahjust turn a blind ida what's going on?

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Well, it's Utah. Yeah,they have that in their history.
And they tried to say they don't, but like they do have enough history
with it, even with Brigham Youngand yeah, they're not really that concerned.
It doesn't feel like yeah, becauseand I just thought of this when
you said that if you look atand of course Utah politics is basically run

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by Mormons, Like that's just howit is. So if Mormons know that
in their past, like they'll nevercall it pedophilia, but underage marriages were
actually condoned and blessed by God forJoseph Smith, bring him Young, Lorenzo
Snow like all these profits. Sothey can't really get too mad at you

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all. They'll just think that you'rekind of off your rocker, you shouldn't
be doing it anymore. But weget it, so you know, we
can't really prosecute too harshly or willlook like we are also bad because we
used to do this too. Alot of people say Warren Jeff's if he
was actually tried. He was triedin Utah, but they did let it
go for a technicality. Interesting,So you talked about how Warren Jeffs outlawed

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toys. How old were you whenthat hit? He kind of outlawed like
certain kinds of first, like ballsand you know, you couldn't play the
outside games because you're throwing our angerat people. Oh my gosh, that's
what he said. Yeah, okay, so he allowed those first, and
then it got to toys when Iwas in Texas, so all the kids
couldn't have dolls, they couldn't haveany kind of anything. It was interesting

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though, watching them anyway. Theywould just make them with their towels or
whatever. They just roll off thetowel and play like it's a baby.
Anyway. Kids need toys, Yeah, they need toys. He would just
say, you need to let themhave the real thing. If they're asking
for a doll, then you shouldjust let them hold a baby. And
I don't know, I don't believethat. Yeah, but that's the same

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thing with like if they want toput the toy truck, you know,
the younger and younger they would drivethe big trucks in the fl thes and
oh wow, wow dangerous. Yeah. Did you see the way it all
that it affected kids for their justsuddenly feel like God wants them to have
their playthings because they would think thatGod said, right, yeah, you

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know if it comes through Warren Jeff'syou know, that's how I was.
You know, I remember not questioningand all the peer pressure in school was
because I went to an FLDS homeschool. It was a so much peer pressure
to to why would anybody be ina postdate? Why would anybody leave?
Why would why would you know?I'm going to stay faithful forever? And
all our friends were they would talkthat way because that was really the only

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way we could talk because they hadso many cameras and stuff in the school
building that you'd get punished if you'retalking any other way. So then we
are all set on the right trackall the time if we weren't talking that
way, and so then we getthese convictions within ourselves that we're going to
be loyal forever. Yeah, andyour girl up in your brain kind of
goes, oh, I don't evenknow what I was talking about. You
know, you kind of have todeny yourself to a degree. Yet the

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first I see that, it happens, you know, mainstream Mormonism with the
bearing of testimonies. You know,you hear someone that you look up to
saying I know the Church's true.The Spirit guise me the profitable blat and
so you're like, oh, yeah, me too, me too, and
it just spreads. Yeah. Iwent to an ex Mormon event at one

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time and there was two adult peoplethat got up and one of them was
standing by the stand and the otherone prompts her, I know the Aldias
Church is not true. I'd liketo bear it was funny though, I'd
like to jump in for just asecond. How did you end up in

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Texas? I think we just needa little more backstory, like you did
you grow up in Utah? Andthen I can't remember exactly how you ended
up in Texas. I just thinkthat people probably haven't seen the documentary.
A lot of people we want towe want to cater to them. Okay,
So I was born and raised inSandy, Utah, which is more
Salt Lake area. I was bornin the church my parents, my grandparents

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saw on my father's side, theywere kicked out when I was thirteen years
old. I got another mother whenI was thirteen years old. My sister,
who was five years older than me, married Warren's father at that time
when I was thirteen years old,so we had like a barely big shift
in our family. My grandparents onmy mother's side were converts and joined the
church when she was four years old. And then some contexts it's interesting to

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most people is my parents were anarranged marriage. The prophet before Warren's dad
was his name was Leary Johnson,and he pulled them aside at church and
told them there was going to bea wedding and they could say yes or
know what the ceremony. And theyhad never met each other. Wow,
so they just it became a matterof trust and they decided to say yes

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because there was no reason why notto say yes. And I was their
eleventh child, so wow. Myfather he had a lot more I believe
critical thinking, but he didn't talka lot, and nobody wanted to hear
critical thinking talk. But his actionswould show me that he was critical thinker.

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He wouldn't always just jump on board. He'd sit there and think about
it for a while and then hewould do something. And so like in
my mind, I think I learnedcritical thinking at a young age and to
do the same thing, to notvoice it, but to act it the
best way I could in the situation. Well, I'm sure it wasn't encouraged

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to voice any kind of critical nod. You get immediate pushments, so you
had to really think hard about howyou're going to proceed. And he would
take that time to do that.So I knew he was a critical thinker.
I know what the wording for thatwas. And everything as a child,
so wait a minute, you weretaken away from your parents. They
were kicked out or something. Mygrandparents, my father's parents were kicked out

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when I was thirteen. Yeah,would they do? They watched TV Boston
too much? Threes Company or somethingback in the day, probably more like
Lucy or something. Anyway, myfather didn't really go into details a lot

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about that. We heard things,but he would when he pulled us all
into the living room to tell usthat that had happened. When I was
thirteen years old, he seemed reallysad, and he just told him,
we don't We're not going to talkabout this. Basically, this is just
what happened. Were you allowed tostay in contact with them after they were
kicked out? No, And evenlike before that happened, My grandparents had

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a station, so that's what theircareer. They had, like a gas
station that they managed. It stillthere in Sandy, Utah. They were
going to turn it over to myfather because he's an amazing mechanic, but
the church told him he couldn't acceptthat gift. He had to become a
machinist with their company, and soanyway, he turned it down. He

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did go to the machine shop andwork there and learn all about that.
He became an amazing machine and mechanic. My uncle, one of father's brothers
that was outside of the church,actually was given the gift and accepted the
gift of the gas station. Anda lot of my father's brothers and sisters
had already decided to become apostates,so they chose one of them because the

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church wouldn't let the people that wereloyal to the church. Did the apostates
that had left. I'm guessing theymaybe tried to talk some sense or talk
to your dad about they did.I'm sure. Yeah. We used to
be able to go over to thestation when he was just working there before
all this hit, and we wereable to meet our grandparents and stuff.

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Working at the station with my fatherwould clean the bathrooms, we'd clean everything
up. It's called Union Service.It's still there. It's kind of an
old station. But yeah, anyway, my uncle runs it, and my
father he did, he did alot. He made a lot of choices
in his life to stay with hisfamily at the spence of material things,

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which was you know, our housein Sandy, Utah. Eventually, so
I did go to the Alta Academyschool that was in Sandy, Utah.
That was the school I went towith Warren Jeffs as the principal. My
first grade teacher was Warren Jets's firstwife. So my childhood was very FLDS.
Yeah, and then when I waslike fourteen, then the Jeffs moved

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down to Clarado City. I wasin seventh and eighth grade. When I
was in tenth grade, halfway throughthe year, then we moved down to
Clarado City ourselves. So I wassixteen years old when that happened, and
I went to the Jeff's Academy whenI came down to Clarado City for about
a year and a half. Soreal quick, let me interject. So

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you started this in Sandy Utah,those of you who don't know Utah,
Sandy Utah is not a polygamous area. It's like a regular old part of
Utah. Did your neighbors, youknow, your community know that you all
were fl the yes. Did youwear the garb, the dresses and stuff.
We couldn't associate with our neighbors verymuch. We had about half an

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acre of land that we couldn't talkto our neighbors. If my parents went
over to my neighbor's house, itwas like or serious thing. So it's
not like you mingled with the mainstreampeople and not some people did some people
at that time frame. And that'sI believe the reason why Warren Jeff took
everybody down to Colorado City because it'san older compound to keep it more isolated.

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So I got to experience going intothe storage with my mother and just
like seeing people come up to usand smile at us or tell us our
hair was pretty, or you know, I got to see some of that
stuff, and so that actually didshift my perspective to what I was hearing
in church. Everybody was bad,everybody wants to go after you on the

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outside, and that just didn't ringtrue for me because I had had my
own personal experiences. So when Igot in crisis in my life, I
would think back on those experiences andthink, well, maybe there's some hope
on the outside. Yeah, yeah, there's actually nice people. It's not
all the devils trying to get you. But some of the children nowadays don't
have that, so right, Yeah, it seems like another cult tactic too,

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right, tell you the members ofthe cult that everyone on the outside
is evil and they're out to getyou. It's just another way to keep
you in trapped in the belief system. Fear. Fear is how a cult
keeps people in. Would that wouldyou say that, Brial, Yes,
Yes, it's definitely fair based inthe fls, everything is like, you
know, we'll take away your family, it will take away your you're everything,

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right, you know, And myfather held on to his family so
tightly for so long. He didgo down to Cuara City and sell his
house in Sandy and he did moveinto us the house with just stud walls
and donate all the money to thechurch and to the community in Clara City,
and he did build up the housethat we were like, we had
a part of a house, sowe moved in. Somebody else lived in

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half the house and they had startedthe house that we were finishing off on
the other side, so it wasn'tever our house. And you lived in
Texas before you married Warren Jeffs Isthat right after? Oh? After?
Yeah, so I moved to ColoradoCity, which is hillel Utah and Arizona.
Yeah, so you actually lived inTexas because you were kicked out and

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had to go to Texas because youwere misbehaving. Right, No, I
went to Texas because that's where theYearning for Zion Ranch was. The elite
group. Oh you were the elite. Yeah, I was elite. Yeah,
because I married Warren and he waslike, okay, you know,
like it was two weeks after mywedding because I had already started to see
red flags on the day that Imarried him. Wow. So, Shelley,

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this sounds like a good time fora break. I agree. We'll
be right back and we're back.Hello. So when your wife number sixty
five, how often do you evenreally get to see your husband? For
one thing, I wasn't attracted tohim, so like I didn't really want
to see him. And there wasa lot of doctrine that talks about how

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you supposed to love your sisters.Wives supposed to like sacrifice for them,
and so Warren's father had a rotationcycle where like every wife would get a
turn, but Warren didn't actually havethat. He had a favorite wife,
and he would he's basically a monogamous. All the other ladies, he'd tell
them God would reveal if you're everworthy to be with me? Oh got

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qualified? Yeah, So for me, I was most of the time in
the beginning, I was like,oh, I don't want to turn,
so I would just like sacrifice formy wife, you know, situ wife
if they want to be with himand all that, like you know,
I'm like, okay, you know, I'll hide. Do you guys can
go have that? You know Idon't need that. You're good there,
Yeah at it, you can havehim. So I didn't get hurt real

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bad by polygamy itself because I didn'tlove my husband. If I would have
loved him. I know I wouldhave been different. Why do you think
you were selected? I really feellike I had something to do with being
a new wife or something. Idon't know. He had really weird motives
behind everything, and I think healso looked for certain characteristics of how he

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can manipulate people more. Were youyounger than most of the wives when you
came in? I was eighteen.He thought I was younger than that though,
What a disappointment. Yeah, shewas legal. He thought my younger
sister was older than me, andjust I don't know, like in the
real world, it switched a guy. I'll be like, oh, I

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thought she was an adult. Don'tyou don't take me to jail? But
now you know war just as likeI thought she was thirteen. I never
would have married an old totally.Oh so crazy. Yeah, in my
story I did. I've learned somestuff since the documentary too, with like

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people coming forward and telling me rightat the wedding, he actually told the
family to keep me at arm's lengthand stuff like that. I didn't realize
that it wasn't a big wedding,it was like a private one. But
right after that he talked to hisfamily and I didn't know that. Wait,
he wanted your family to keep youat arm's length. That's what he
was requesting his family, his family. Why do you think that is?

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He told him I was crazy fromthe very beginning. I didn't know that
until after the documentary came out.Like people want to tell me things.
They said, we couldn't step upand help you, even we knew you
needed it, but we couldn't helpyou because he would publish us. Oh
my gosh. Wow, everyone wasso afraid of this guy. I know,
Well, I feel like, Imean, i'd be afraid of someone

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who would take my kids away.Like I think about my choices are either
I do what God says in quotationsor my kids get taken away. Well,
I'm going to do what I thinkGod said. I mean, that's
kind of a no brainer, right, if you've been brainwashed into a cult.
Going on those same lines, whenyou were honored to Mary Warren,

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Jeff, did you have any ounceof feeling special at all? I felt
terrified because I'd already seen what mysister had gone through, So you didn't
feel like you were chosen. Iknew a lot about his family. I
knew more so you were never proudof that selection process, like, oh
he picked me, no, becauseI wasn't in the category that I would
be very accepted. He has characteristicshe picks out, you know, to

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be manipulated easier. And one ofthose characteristics is basically something I had no
control over, which was my generationalheritage. If you have seven generations of
being in the church, you're probablymore brainwashed. But he didn't say that.
He said, do you have moreknowledge of the church, And those
would be more more of the peoplethat he would at the top of the

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pyramid in his family. Yeah,yea, the brainwashed ones. And I
wasn't going to be there. Iwould never have kids. That's how my
thinking was, I'll never have kids, you know. But I didn't never
say no to him. Sure,so from the time you knew year we
had to marry him, how longwas it until the actual wedding, Like,
how does that go down? Itwas like the same day. Whoa,

(29:11):
Yeah, I knew that. Hetaught us the doctrine the grooming of
how that day would go, andthere's like three different routes and so that
day I actually had a party atschool. I was an assistant in for
fourth grade students. We had abig party that day. I cleaned up
the mess and then I came home. I was on cook that evening for

(29:36):
the family, and I was supposedto make stew. That's what my mother
wanted me to make. So Iwas in cutting up all the vegetables.
And it was late. It waslike ten o'clock at night. Like I
hadn't gone up very far because Ispend all day already, and I didn't
realize I was on cook. Iwas in finishing up the stew and my
father walked in the room and myback was to him, but I heard

(29:56):
my mother scream no, and Iturned around and my father's face is all
flushed and my mother, I washurry, eleventh child, so she had
seen this before. Yeah, Somy father, he said, let's go
on a drive. My mother wasnot invited to the wedding. And when
I got in the car, myfather was crying. He couldn't tell me
why. Now he has told me. He said, I didn't want you

(30:18):
to marry Warren Jeffs. But hedidn't know at that time I was even
get to marry Warren Jess. Buteverybody had that in their mind. Like
because all my childhood, I guessI was teased a lot about Mary Warren
Jeffs, and I think a lotof it had to do with there's two
factors. The way he acted towardme factored into it a lot. And

(30:38):
also I believe I was kind oflike a I was scared to do wrong
because of like the bullies of myfamily. So I didn't dare cross lines.
I was afraid of being kicked outat a young age because eight years
old is basically when you get baptizedin the LDS church and also in the
FLDS, and so in the FLDSthey were so strict that when you're eight

(31:00):
years old, either you atone foryourself or your parents will atone for you.
And so basically you have to getbaptized or your parents will suffer for
you. Wow. And what's thatsuffering involved? It depends if you do
something bad, Okay. Yeah,So I didn't want to do anything wrong
because I was eight, you know, like I was afraid of being sent

(31:21):
away. And there were eight yearolds who the FLDS dropped off at places
because they were too rebellious. Yeah, and never would be healed from it.
According to their profit. Wow.Wow, I'm a nine year old
and I can't send her away.I can't imagine sending I mean sometimes it'd
be nice, but like to sendaway forever. It's hard for me to

(31:42):
understand how a parent would allow that. But that just goes to show how
deep the brainwashing is that a parentwould allow that, and also that you
have to realize these parents were putunder like this decision where they either lose
all of their kids because they getkicked out with the eight year old,
or they kick out the eight yearold. Wow, I don't know.

(32:05):
I think as a parent, Iwould choose all everybody goes. I couldn't.
I couldn't do that. And that'swhat some parents did choose, and
they would go the court route totry to get the rest of their kids,
which is the best route actually,but they don't always see that.
And that's the same thing with likethe underage brights. That's why some of
them got married because the fathers werein that same predicament. They either had
to give up the one child orlose all of them, and some of

(32:28):
them chose the wrong thing. Wherewould a kid go if they're kicked out?
Like if you talk to Holding OutHelp, which is a nonprofit in
Salt Lake City. They they werethey've been around, one of the longest
nonprofits in this field. They havehad eight year olds brought to them.
Wow. And there's been worst cases. They have dropped them off on the
highway, you know, just worstthings. But oh my gosh that in

(32:52):
most cases they you know, thepolice will pick them up. But like
most cases, the parents tried alittle harder to find something, Yeah,
like a relative they could go toor some yeah, something on the outside
that did you know of parents whowhen when their daughter qualified to Mary Mary

(33:12):
Warren Jeffs, the parents celebrated,like they were so happy about this or
was it all just miserable? WhenI talked to even like, I had
a best friend who was in thecategory with the seven generations and all of
that, and one time I confidedin her and I was like, I
am so scared to Mary Warren jeffeverybody teaches me about that, and she's
like, that would be such anhonor, and I was like, maybe

(33:32):
for you, but she hadn't tellher that, And I was thinking,
yeah, her family, her motherswould talk about when their daughters because they
had several of them that went intoWarren Jeff's family and their mothers would say,
it's like going to a funeral becauseit's like he takes them and we
never see him anymore. Wow.Man, But yet these mothers do they

(33:58):
still believe in it and they're justafraid to leave or they just so trying
to compare for me being a girlin Mormonism, like you get the shaft,
right, It's like you don't getanything because you're a girl, but
you just believe that that's what Godwants and you just kind of have to
suck it up and feel like you'reless than and that's just how it is.
Yeah, how do you compare thatwith how moms would feel with these
things they have to go along withthey think it was true. Well,

(34:22):
it depends varies from one person tothe other. And that's why I have
so much compassion even today for FLDSpeople. It's because a lot of them
aren't there because they believe in it. They're there because they can't talk about
it. You can't tell all thetime which ones really believe in it and
which ones don't because they can't actuallytell you the truth. The ones that
don't believe in it, have acause most of the time to protect their

(34:44):
kids or protect their mother, elderlymother. They don't all have a place.
The Dream Center doesn't take elderly theydon't have licensing for that. They're
mostly geared to children and single momsand stuff. So we need more resources
what I'm saying, Yeah, absolutely, but a lot of them stay for
a cause. They're all believers.And not only that, the ones that

(35:07):
do believe in it, they haveto go by faith. Like I have
knowledge that it was horrible. Noteverybody has that knowledge because not everybody was
elite, didn't all go to Texas, they didn't all have the same experiences
in Texas. You know, Iwas a warrant, just family, So
I have knowledge. It would beridiculous for me to keep trying to fake

(35:27):
it, you know, that wouldbe totally something like I couldn't even do.
Did people kind of know within thecompound who may or may not be
believing or just going along with it? Was? Could you tell? Like
you can tell that some of themare like more lenient or more more willing
to cross a line here and there, but you can't tell if they really

(35:47):
believe or not because there's some peoplewho really will turn you in and really
will hurt you even though they crossedtheir own line sometimes, like it's kind
of you know, you can't alwaystell. You can tell they have different
characteristics and stuff, but you can'ttell if they really believe gotcha. And
a lot of times they'll turn newin just for their own safety. And

(36:08):
sometimes they'll turn new in because theydon't like you. Wow, So just
you know, I don't I don'tlike what she said in school and she's
not being friendly, so I'm gonnago tattle on her for like no damn
good reason, just get you introuble. Yeah, So there's those,
and then there's also sometimes they getthreatened into doing it by somebody else.
So it's it's a pretty big mess, especially with Warren Jeffs being in prison,

(36:31):
yeah, because he can't verify anyof it without like listening to someone.
So people still tattle to where WarrenJeff's through a line of isn't his
brother kind of running the show rightnow? He has a son who's stepping
up, son out to be theproa after Warren. After Warren dies,

(36:52):
he's just like, yeah, kindof nominated right now. Boys, growing
into men. You see them tryingto climb the ladder like I want to
be the next prophet or yeah,I don't know, what do you think.
Yeah, there's been two people stepup. So now if they follow
FLDS, it doesn't necessarily mean theyfollow Warren Jeffs. But if they follow
Warren Jeff's it's detrimental because he pedophiliain the doctrine. When you say it's

(37:15):
in the doctrine, like, isit written down somewhere that pedophilia is?
Okay, he did it in asecret meeting. So even though a lot
of FLDS will say it's not true, but the history shows that it is
true, because like there's been twoleaders that have stepped up to follow Warren
Jeff's who were in Texas at onetime, and the first one has already

(37:37):
been rated just in the last yearor so. Okay, that's that's on
the documentary they found. Well theytalk about it in there, but like
this last year they actually rated himand he did have underage rights and all
that going on. So send hima jail, send him all a jail.
So I tell people, I said, yeah, FLDS are kind of

(37:58):
like, we don't believe that orand Jeff's really did that, because I
have to believe somebody because they weren'talways all there. Of course, we
don't believe he really did that,but I tell him, well, you
would do it again, probably withthe right leader. Yeah, yeah,
right, that's when the history showsthat. Yeaheah. They don't believe it's
happening, but when they get intothe tight situation, they wake up.

(38:20):
But it's kind of too late.So we are going to leave that.
They're part one of a two parter. We're gonna have Brielle again on next
time for the rest of the interview. It's so good, guys. No,
I hope everybody listens in again.From part two of that interview.
Brial Decker, Prisoner of the ProfitWife sixty something, sixty five sixty five.

(38:44):
Okay, So we're gonna take aquick break and when we come back,
we've got a foom pot. Yeah, when we come back, we
will cute music. O wow,we get I just want to get people
inside because they haven't done a boompot in a while. We stumbled across
one and Shelly's gonna speak you inmusic Oliver again a bit duh. Okay,

(39:05):
be right back. We're back cutemusic. So this foom pod came
about. This was like a likea natural organic foom pod. We were
just talking. I don't even knowwhat we're talking about, and I said,
this thing, you're like what Ithink it was in this episode.

(39:27):
I mean, it's been a minutesince i've listened. It probably was.
Yeah, we're recording this in pieces, y'all. That's our lives. Like
we literally don't have two hours tosit and do shit any and hopefully this
all comes together. It might not. It might be like a beautiful patchwork
quilt. And that's okay because ifyou're a Mormon or X Mormon, you've
you've quilted before. Total stereotype.But I mean, come on, you're

(39:50):
right. Have you quilted? Um? Not for beginning to end. But
my mom had like the big likequilt wooden bar thingies that like take up
all this room. Um, andI might have done one stitch because she
showed me. And I'm like,boring, I want to go play basketball.
Yeah, boring, mom, hangout with the men. I'm gonna
ride my dirt bike. I hadthe best little dirt bike, so fun

(40:14):
little motorcycle, you know, youmight be a lesbian. You know,
some people could have fucking fooled me. Should we get to the food pot
already? Nine? Today's fucked upMormon phrase of the day is son of
perdition. That would be son ofperdition, go, son of perdition.

(40:37):
You know, I have no ideawhat this word. I know this like
this. This was a movie.I don't know if it though. Okay,
it didn't pretend to more. Moviewas Road to Perdition with Tom Hanks
was righting awesome? Okay, Inever saw it. My point is that
perdition is probably a word I shouldjust know well, and I don't know
it. I don't know what itmeans. What does it mean? You

(40:58):
have to guess you can get theball? You mean it was? Do
you mean to say partition? Nope? Son of partition? Nope. That's
even more weird um than the actualdefinition. I don't know what this means.
You know what means? No,I don't know what perdition means?
What will you not raise Mormon?No, that's a better eat. Maybe
it's some sort of prodigal son thinglike no, you're some sort of wayward

(41:19):
child. No, okay, let'sput it in the opposite direction. You're
so stalwart. Nope, you're you're, You're somewhere in the middle. Nope,
you're you could go. No,just give me the fucking buzzer already.
What does it mean? Who thefuck is a son of pition?
I realize now, me being raisedMormon, I thought that everything was Mormon,

(41:42):
of course, but I looked whenI looked it up to get like
an actual exact definition, it's it'sBiblical, like Christians know this shit.
So I don't know why you don'tknow it, a little miss Mary,
I don't have the Bible memorize forgods. Okay, well, the son
of perdition is a term that refersto a person who is in an your
redeemable condition and who will suffer eternaldestruction. So that could be kind of

(42:06):
like a prodigal son, right,because the prodigal son came back the sons
of pridition? Can't are you lookingit up? I just end it up.
I know. It says a stateof eternal punishment and damnation. Yeah,
into which a sinful and unpenitent personpasses after death. So this is
a this is a after we diepunishment. Yeah, of course, but

(42:27):
I'm not done yet. So thatwas the first definition that popped up,
and I'm like, hmm, letme type that in and put Mormon next
to it. So, of course, Mormons no more than everyone's, so
their definition. So the little Wikipediadefinition for the first one was like four
sentences. When you type in theMormon part, we're like page after page
after page, because Mormons have alot to say about all the things they

(42:50):
know. Okay, okay. Inthe Church of Jesus christilarity saints, a
son of tradition is a person whowill not take part in the glory of
God in the afterlife. This isin contrast to the vast majority of people
who will receive a kingdom of gloryafter the final judgment and enter into one
of the three degrees of glory afterthe resurrection. Mary, do you remember

(43:12):
these three degree Oh you mean thecelestial, terrestrial, and and uh to
telestial. You got it. You'realmost a Mormon. Okay. Most Latter
day Saints believe that the sons ofpradition will be cast into outer darkness.
Wait you know what that another?Yeah? Of course, what yeah do
you think? Are we new here? We've talked about it yeah, you're

(43:34):
saying, I've been very busy lately, kidding me right now? You think
I don't know what outer darkness is? Have you been there? You can't,
and you know why. You're agirl. Let me carry on.
Girls can't go to Mormon scriptures.Can I read what this is? New
information? Mormon scriptures do not usethis exact phrase and connection with the sons

(43:55):
of pradition, but state that theyshall go away into the Lake of Fire
and brimstone with the devil and hisangels. So that's who is in outer
darkness. I thought outer darkness wasn'tso bad. People have different definitions of
what outer darkness literally, outer darknesscould have been focuse you are. Some
people are like, it's not sobad, it's just not the best thing.

(44:17):
No, that would be the celestialkingdom. Huh okay, so the
devil has confuse outer darkness, notjust the devil, the devil and his
angels. What it's the exact samething as hell? Then sure. However,
according to Mormonism, like hell isanything where you don't get to be
with your heavenly Father, which wouldbe like the lowest two kingdoms, not

(44:43):
confusing, So God never visits thelower two kingdom can but why would he
like we suck? I don't wantmy family visiting me either. To wait
a minute, what how do youget to be a son of predictions?
I'm telling you, I'm reading thisis the longest definition of it. Well,
because Mormons have to like decide whateverthing is and more of it.

(45:05):
Um, I'm just gonna keep reading. Sorry if it's boring, but I
think it's pretty damn interesting because it'sweird. The name Perdition is sometimes regarded
as a proper name that refers toeither Lucifer or Kane, both of whom
are symbols of ultimate e Ooh,so the son of Perdition is really the
son of the devil, one ofthem? What do you mean, one
of them? Maybe he's the originalthe og. Mister, that's mister Perdition

(45:29):
to you. Okay. So Iguess if according to Mormon theology, Jesus
and Lucifer were brothers, which wouldmake them both the son of God somehow.
So if you're a son of Perdition, then you're the grandchild of God.
God, your God, your no. That means that yeah, God,

(45:50):
you're the no, you're the og, Like perdition. Person. I
thought perdition is another word for Satan. Yeah, my theology didn't play very
well. So all right, thoughI have a question though, okay,
but I have more, but goahead, all right, Well, I
just keep reading. Okay, okay, say, we're getting into some major
Mormon theology here, and it's hilarious. How long is the sky? Just

(46:10):
you're gonna learn who knows? Whomight come across another food pot? The
pre mortal spirit followers of Satan,Yeah, okay. It is taught that
in the pre mortal life they choseto follow a plan proposed by Satan rather
than that presented by God the Father. In parenthesis, Heavenly Father, Jesus

(46:34):
the Christ chose to follow Heavenly Father'splan. Jesus the Christ, Jesus the
Christ kids. Clean up your rustlebecause that's all you ever hear me,
or it just always needs cleaning.M blah blah blah, goes onto the
war in heaven, YadA, YadA. We all know this, Okay.
Those in mortal life who deny theHoly Ghost, which is generally interpreted as

(46:58):
rejecting and denying Christ after receiving apersonal witness and a perfect knowledge of Jesus.
Like, then you can fucking bea son of perdition. Oh,
so you have to be given theopportunity to reject, which is why women
can't do that. What are you? What are you talking about? I'm
getting there. So this is whatJoseph Smith said. All sins shall be

(47:19):
forgiven, except for sins against theHoly Ghost, for Jesus will save all
except the sons of perdition. Whatmust a man due to commit the unpartable
sin? He must receive the HolyGhost, have the heavens open unto him,
and no God, and then sinagainst him. After a man has
sinned against the Holy Ghost, thereis no repentance for him. Well,

(47:43):
isn't this the definition of man?Kind of like human finish? Were about?
We're about We're about to get tothe point. He has got to
say that the sun does not shinewhile he sees it. He has got
to deny Jesus Christ when the heavenshave been opened unto him, and to
deny the plan of salvation with hiseyes open to the truth of it.
When did the heavens ever open?And you see Jesus, when does this

(48:06):
happen? Well, it happened tome yeah, could have happened to you.
And you're like, that never happened. Then you are a son of
perdition. How do you approve it? Either way? God knows everything.
But wait a minute, Mary,trying to make sense of nonsense again.
And women can't be included in thisgroup. Well, there's a section here

(48:27):
called daughters of perdition. I'm gladyou asked. Okay, a few LDS
church leaders have speculated weather and notthere would be daughters of perdition as well
as sons of perdition. All Iknow is if they were both, they
would both be like TK smoothies becausethey'd be an outer darkness together. Well
yeah, and they wouldn't be ableto have sex. Whatever, This is

(48:47):
not the point of the conversation.In eighteen sixty, church president who We
All Love, Brigham Young, stated, I doubt whether it can be found
from the revelations that are given andthe facts as they exist, because he
knows everything. News that there isa female in all the regions of hell.
Women must atoned for sins committed bythe volition of her own choice.

(49:12):
But she will never become an angelto the devil and sends so far to
place herself beyond the reach of mercy. In the same discourse, he says
she is not accountable for the sinsthat are in the world. God requires
obedience from man. He is lordof creation, and in his hands the
sins of the world will be required. So Brigham Young is saying that women

(49:36):
cannot be sons or daughters or whateverpredition, right, because it's a man
thing. It's a man thing.Let's put that in context. Context.
Because it's a man thing, whathas to happen for you to even have
that available to you? To bea son of perdition, you have to
see God. So women can't seeGod. Boom, We can't have the
good shit. You can't have thatexperience of that spiritual exp It's that closeness

(50:00):
where that revelation, the clouds partingor whatever the fuck the heaven's opening up
and you're seeing Jesus the Christ.Yeah, I don't have a chance to
see Jesus and be like that neverhappened. I don't get to right,
don't get the opportunity to deny Jesusthe Christ. Clean up your room.
Yeah, sure, because we werenot intelligent or something enough. Now we're

(50:23):
we're less than yeah, so thechurch too simple for those types of revelations.
Who is the priesthood? Why wouldGod come to us? They might
come to our husband because he's incharge of us. Mm So speculation amongst
Mormons, and I don't know ifthis is ever actually taught. You know
how Mormons have to like talk talktalk and make up their own like shit,

(50:44):
if you say so, it's true, it's true. So speculation was
probably still is that the only peoplewho could qualify for being a Son of
British would be like prophets, becauseprophets see God. I see, so
you really have to have that experienceand reject it, and that's the only
way to go to Are those theonly people in outer darkness? So the
people that have had the experience andthen reject it. Yes, so it's

(51:07):
only men in outer darkness. Yeah, that's what I've been trying to say.
Yeah, well I didn't know ifthere was another way to get to
utter darkness. No, it's notlike Candyland where you roll a purple and
then I was really stupid, likedit though it was late at night.

(51:29):
I'm sire punchy. Interesting. Ididn't know that women did not make up
the population, shall we say ofouter darkness? No, because we're a
residents there, we can never beholy enough to have the exact oppose.
So it's kind of the Mormon versionof a penal colony. Basically, he

(51:52):
said penals, which is actually prettyaccurate. Well, penile, because it's
only men there. I know whatpenal means. I get it. Okay,
all right, all right, whowhat's happening? Okay, son of
pridition. So there is no daughterperdition, which makes me kind of feel
good in a way because means wedon't have to hang out with it.
I don't have to pretend to eversee some sort of fake experience and then

(52:15):
reject that fake experience later. Well, and no, you have it all
wrong because it was If it wasa fake experience, you can't reject it
because it was fake in the firstplace. It had Like according to theology,
you have to have an actual,true legit like Jesus Christ high five,

(52:37):
he's there, He's like, Iam the Christ. Look at the
holes in my hands, and thenyou're like, man, fuck that remember
the true the sure sign of thenails and the wrist, that's true?
And why do you remember why Idon't know. I'm just serious. You
don't know why handshake that the suresign is in the wrist? Yeah?
Why why? I don't ris fromthe freaking Temple episodes? Why is the

(53:00):
nail on the wrist just writing down? I'm running down next foon pond?
Oh my neck? Good? Well, I think it's all goofy anyway.
Because these types of things are verypersonal, you can't share them with someone.
Meaning, let's say you're having aprayer circle jerk with your bush mixing

(53:20):
lots of metaphors here, didn't hearthat? It's like, if you have
this personal experience where the clouds partand you see Jesus the Christ, let's
say your buddy who's praying with youor whatever isn't going to have the same
experience. So how do you evenprove sauce it doesn't have to be your
buddy saying, hey, he sawJesus and he says he didn't. Right,
No, that's well, then howdo you prove that you even had
a bunch of people telling on eachother. You don't prove it, you

(53:44):
don't like like, well, thenthey can't prove that you're going to some
fake hell place either. It's allfake. Anyway, it happens after you
die and God decides, decides.Oh, God's the one. So God
said, well, all right,you back in nineteen eighty had the opportunity
we had that, We had thatmoment, I had that broad moment.

(54:05):
You saw me, You saw thesure sign of the nails. You.
God's not the neighborhoods some fucking neighborhoodwatch being like the neighbor you saw.
Yeah, it's like we had thatmoment and you said you rejected me Spanish
to Outer Darkness. That's kind ofhow that's gonna go down totally. I'm
still my brainst on neighborhood watch forsons of tradition. God, Well,

(54:31):
they're gonna need a neighborhood watching OuterDarkness. I think dark Street task one.
All those men, there should besomeone handy. Pradition doesn't take to
change. Nice. That's funny.Well we are. Yeah, that's a

(54:54):
good one though. That's great,Thanks for playing sure. I always enjoy
good film. All right, Well, let's jump into some patron names.
I just had an idea how weshould give them their new names. All
right, what you got I'm thinkingfirst letter of last name. Right,
we need to come up with thingsthat you would find in outer darkness.

(55:17):
Okay, that sounds like what wasthe game like the Pyramid or whatever,
sixty thousand Pyramid where they would justlist things car, boat, blah blah
blah, and then then they answerwould be like things you drive. You
know, I'm talking about things withoutheadlights right because it's outer darkness. I
don't think there are any lights.No, I mean it would be outer

(55:39):
lightness at that point. That's allI got. Okay, I'm ready,
we'll try it, okay, Patronnumber one, and again everyone, thank
you for being our patrons. Thoseof you who are recently joining from listening
to episodes from like three years ago, just understand that we've slowed down.
Once you get here, we've slowedthe fuck down. Might hear my name

(56:00):
in like three years? Yeah,we're getting to him, but you will
get your new name, all right. New Patron number one, Laurel H.
What's an H that you would findan outer darkness? Find something with
an H an outer darkness? Well, a hellish amount of trash, heaps
heaps of trash, all right,Laurel, heap heaps heaps of trash.

(56:27):
The full thing Laurel, heaps oftra I just feel like there's gonna be
trash everywhere. You can't see anything, but you know there's tras. It
probably smells. It probably smells there. Yeah, I would think it's outer
dark and probably it smells like sulfurbecause of fire and brimstone. When you
think, God, that's so smart, is it? Yes? Ok?
Who's our next patron? Next patron, Jessica? M are you taking this?

(56:51):
I got this one in outer darkness. Outer darkness will be full of
Mormon men. Okay. I can'tthink of a worse hell. And it's
not because I'm a man hater.I am not a man hater. I
love my man friends, I lovemy son's I love a lot of men,
Mormon men. It's a little moredifficult. So yeah, Outer darkness

(57:14):
a bunch of fucking Mormon men.That's what you'll find. Don't go there.
If you ever see Jesus, don'tsay you didn't see him. That's
your warning, right, Just pretendit's all pretend anyway. If you see
him, don't say you didn't,right, he won't be an outer dark
roast. Sorry, just I justthrew in a plug for a posta coffee.

(57:36):
Do you like how I did that? Did you go on purpose?
Yeah? I didn't. Right on? Get ten percent off your order and
a posta coffee dot com by puttingLDL and check out. Why you remembered
all that? And do you geta check out and put in our code
LDL. I get ten percent offbecause I think that's what happened. Well,
do it and see it's been abit and drink the Outer Dark Roast.

(57:58):
Maybe that will prevent you for goingto out. I don't know.
I think it probably takes you there. But no, no, take it
to go cup because you're gonna needthat for your journey to utter. Yeah,
there won't be that. Can weback up a secure? But I
don't think that Mary actually still understandsouter darkness. Evidently it's full of men.
Well, yeah, but you saidsomething about, like you see Jesus,

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you're rejecting me, he says,outer darkness. No, he doesn't
banish you right away. It's likeyou think you're living this great life and
then you die and God's like,not so fast. Charlie. Remember that
time you remember that the Lord andsave Jesus Christ, Jesus the Christ,
me and my son who's actually alsoboom. You think you're going to blaze

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special, but you're going to outerdarkness. Hell yeah, that's exactly Take
that cup of outer dark roast withyou, gonna need it, apostate coffee,
nap dot com yours now, Ilove it all right? Next up,
Rose b B Huh yeah you knownone of these names are going to

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be great this week. Sorry.Yeah, we still appreciate our patrons absolutely,
but I think, uh, banishedsaints, that's what you find in
utter darkness. That is so boring. Wow, Mary, Rose, I
am so sorry. Well what doyou got. I'm just gonna say,
like bad people. Oh, that'sso much banished saints. It's a little

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just more intellectual way of saying badpeople. How about bats? The bats
fly around at night? Sure?All right, so um Rose, you're
getting lots of last names. Rose, you're getting banished saints, bats,
and bad guys. Okay, thatis your name, No hyphens, we're
not hyphenating today. You gotta runthem all together. Write that down.

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That'll be fun on a on alicense. Real deadlines coming up? So
I got minor ready, Yeah,I mean too? Okay, is that
all the No, there's two moreexactly five. Okay, what you get,
Betsy S. Betsy S, I'mgoing sinners? What you got fine,

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Betsy, sinners and stupidity. Ohyou were going to do stupidity.
Yeah. Then I felt bad forBetsy, So I'm sorry about that.
I just think it's stupid this discussionabout outer darkness. No, outer darkness,
like the theology of outer darkness isstupid. Well, and also,
can't you just fake it? Like? Can't you just be like so Jesus

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it's all cool. No, it'snot like a human experience. Again,
no neighborhood watch on this one.It's between you and the Lord. M
Okay, Betsy, and that onewas bad. Yeah, we're sorry,
Betsy. Feel free to blame Shelleyfor that one. I mean I tried.
Next and last is per neil e. Can I do this one?

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Yeah? I feel like bola.Oh, I think everyone has ebola in
outer darkness. It just seems likea like a bad way to be I'm
even exactly sure what ebola is.I know it's a disease and I know
people die from it. Yeah.Wow, disease is rampant in outer darkness.
Speaking of bad smells, subonic plague. It's gonna be all there.

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I think problaim a girl. No, right, the one time it worked
worked in our favor the one time. Yeah huh, but it still has
to do with the fact that we'relesser. But I'll take it. Yeah,
we're not even good enough for theworst punishment. Women I feel like
in Mormonism are just ornaments. They'reornaments. Yeah, yeah, they're just

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sort of there, um their vesselsfor babies. That's it. Yeah,
pretty much. Well, sorry,and thank you, patrons. I was
a weird one. I'm gonna keepnote and if any of these patrons drop
off this episode hits the air waves, we'll be like, fuck, shouldn't
have called her smelly? See?Oh my god, whose idea is this?

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I was like, what if wecome up with stuff that is not
an outer dark? But that wouldbe everything? Okay, all right,
well you're right except for the smellygarbage, and well, I just thought
it would be more entertaining to haveit like our version of was whatever,
can we work? Can we wrapthis up? Yeah? We can?
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it too. We're gonna, youknow what, We're gonna record a Scandal
session and maybe talk about that rightnow, talk about what's going on right

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over this we can, Okay.Let us also thank Dan from Extension Audio,
thanks for leaving it in at you. Thank you again to Brielle Decker,
and we'll have you back again nexttime and conclude that interview. Looking
forward to that. Hang on,do you think it's sad for Dan that
he only gets to leave it inonce a month or so these days?

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Maybe he's getting a little on theside. Oh, maybe we've got to
talk about that on the Scandal WeirdNight side piece. Okay, sorry,
digress, digress. All right,everybody please dare Claire those fucking calls because

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they're no joke, no joke atall. Talked to you later. Bye,