172: Prisoner of the Prophet Pt 2

Please join us for the conclusion of our 2-part interview with Briell Decker, the inspiring cult survivor of the FLDS church. Her 3-part documentary series, Prisoner of the Prophet, is available on Discovery + or Max on Prime Video Channels.

Check out Briell Decker’s personal page: https://www.brielldecker.com, where you can sign up for Briell’s upcoming memoir. Also, please consider donating to the Short Creek Dream Center: https://www.shortcreekdreamcenter.org.

Music provided by Purple Planet: https://purple-planet.com.

Episode Transcript

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So Shelly. In today's episode,we are finishing up the interview with Brielle
Decker. Part two of that interview, a Prisoner of the Prophet. Is
her show documentary right on? WhatDiscovery Plus or something? Yes? An
Amazon add on? I don't knowhow did we watch it? Just look
it up. I don't know whatDiscovery Plus? I think? Do you

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have Discovery Plus this whole time?Yes, because there's cool shows on that.
I do pay eight extra dollars month. Good shit, you know I
love me series. You know thisdocumentary was probably worth all eight bucks because
it's that wild. It is wild. You got to watch it. Yes,
and we're gonna get right to parttwo of that interview just a second.

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Also, we have a pod topitch later on episode we do,
so stay tuned. We'll be rightback. Hey, everybody, welcome to
Ladder Day Lesbian, the podcast abouta night. Let me do that again.

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Remember we need to do outdates.I know, right, blooper Real.
I'll just leave that in there,Dan, if you ever want to
save that for a blooper Real,we should. Literally as we go along.
Is it hard for you to takesomething that you're going to delete and
just throw it elsewhere and we cango through it later. Put in a
whole new well. It's like anwhole outputting thing. Just leave this in
and I'll snip it later. Okay, leave this in, Dan, leave

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it in. Snip it and saveit. Snip it and save it.
So Shelley, Yes, Mary,we have a special guest once again today.
We docker welcome back Brielle Decker.Maybe we should just pick up that
interview where we left on, shallwe? Yeah, I'm not sure where
that is in three two one.From the outside looking in, I always

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feel so horrible for the women andthe children, right like that just breaks
my heart. What do you think, though, that living this lifestyle does
to the boys as they grow intomen and they advance on in the church.
It does hurt everybody. It hurtseverybody in this whole thing. Because
if you'd listen to men talk aboutthe story, which is hard to do
because they don't always want to stepup and talk about it because they're not

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seen as the victim all the time. But they honestly they have to come
up with the money for everyone.They feel responsible. They say. The
competition between the wives is absolutely theworst part. Some of them will say
that, you know, loving allthese people and not being able to show
it's very hurtful. And then ifyou think about like the young boys get

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kicked out, you know that theyget kicked out regularly because of the competition
factor that the old men want theyoung brides. So the boys are not
valued, I don't think, andthey make it really hard for the boys,
make it really really tough on boysin general. They actually say in
the FLS that like, if theboys become an apostile state and go public

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and all of that, they canactually become what they caused set of tradition.
So a set of condition is likethe worst punishment, but a girl
can never reach that capacity. They'llalways be a different kingdom for the girl
because she didn't have that opportunity tobe the prophet. That's a belief in
mainstream Mormonism as well, that it'sit's the boys because they had the priesthood

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and they know more and they're closerto God, so if they turn away
from ment, they are cast intoouter darkness, whereas girls, I mean,
man, we don't you know,I don't know all that much.
Where nobody cares about the girls.Girls have it easier to stay anyway.
That's interesting. A lot of peoplehave compassion for the women and the kids,

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but in my perspective, there wasso many women that didn't step up,
and there was multiple reasons why.I'm sure some of them did have
little their kids on the property inTexas and they decided not to step up
for those little kid's sake because thenthey would get kicked off the property and
those kids would go through more.That makes sense to me. But there
was so many women that never hadkids and just never stood up, And

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I didn't understand why it could befair tac days. It could be a
whole host of things, But Idon't have I don't feel like I have
as much compassion for those adult womenbecause I became a target and I had
like so many abusers because I steppedout of my comfort zone and fought and
fought and fought. Yeah, thewomen didn't like you, No like me.

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So I did have some friends,but like that was hell the arms
late anyway. Yeah, so theydidn't like me because Warren just paid so
much attention to me. Some ofthem are that reason, and he did
because he was experimenting on me.I think I think he was trying to
get you to go back in line. I think he really wanted bad things,
Like I don't think it was anythinggood if I like it talks in

(04:51):
the documentary like if I got tothat point where my American rights were taken
away and he was controlling me,I don't know what would happen to that
point. I think it would havebeen bad, you know, really bad.
If he's controlling people he can manipulateto do you know, I don't
know if he could have manipulated meat that point either. You know,
you never know what would have gonedown if I didn't have any way of

(05:13):
escaping ever. So you mentioned havingsome friends in the compound. Were there
some women or someone that you couldconfide in about you know, you're disbelief
in it or wanting to get away. I couldn't confide in them because every
time I would cry and talk tosomebody, they would call on them to
bear their testimony, like within fifteenminutes, just to clean out of them

(05:33):
anything that they might I might havesaid wrong, or it was very targeted.
There's been people now on the outsideto have come forward and said there
was a hit out on me directfrom Warren. He was telling people that
I needed to die because of likeblood atoment. He's trying to say there
was just reasons. But every caretaker, every man that he put over,

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you know, like I was ontwenty four Watch and all that he did
have these care to they didn't wantto shed inness and blood because that's the
other side of blood atoma. Sothat's what we were fighting against. Just
like they had to prove that itwas just and they would get to a
point where they're like, this isjust not just. Yeah, and then
he would move me to another houseand not really start over, kind of

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just heighten it to a different levelat the other house with a different person
who hadn't been through all the sameexperiences. So you think if if he
had put a caretaker over you,that would have agreed with him that you
were bad news, that you couldhave lost your life. Oh yeah,
wow. Yeah, if he couldhave, he could have gotten it to

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that point. He did try veryvery hard to get somebody, because he's
in prison by this time, totry to get somebody to take me out.
Yeah. I fought too. Ifought really hard too. Yeah.
Is this something you saw like inother people where did you see other people
get a hit out taken out onthem, or I didn't see it.
But I got to a point inmy experience where they told me if I
killed myself, they would tell everybodywas an accident. If I didn't kill

(07:02):
myself, they would tell everybody Idid it myself. So basically, I
believe they're very secretive about that kindof stuff, like high profile stuff.
They don't want to do in publicsect everyone too much. So maybe it
did happen, Yeah, but youdid, but no one knew about it.
They just call it an accident.They kind of threatened them, you

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know. Yeah, I look sothe more you talk about the secrecy and
how how women have to bear theirtestiment to you within a few minutes if
you show any doubt, I thinkabout the motto is keep sweet, right,
And the more that I heard keepsweet, it would just trigger me,

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like keep sweet, Like I hatethe women are supposed to be dumb
and quiet and never upset and alwaysjust so kind, and I hate that
it makes my blood boil. Howwas that for you? This whole keep
sweet? It's kind of like saying, shut up, be happy and do
what we say. I didn't understandthat that was detrimental in there. But

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I did know that I was gettingnumb numb, I was being targeted,
and it was becoming public, youknow, in the family, and I
was still having to keep sweet formy own life sake. So like I
would numb it out, Yeah,like I would. I would sit through
a training and I wouldn't even movethe entire time, hardly even dart blink

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because it was just so intense.For those three years that I was harassed
and nearly but that was after hewent to prison, and it started right
after he went to prison. Ibelieve it's because he actually didn't really succeed
in making me an accomplice. Imean I went to the introduction and it
talks about them in the documentary,and then I never went back. So

(08:54):
basically because of that secret meeting inthe Texas when all the women and all
that were in the room that meeting, I walked away from and never went
back. So like now I knowon the outside, if you get introduced
to something and you don't go back, it's a good sign for you because

(09:15):
you basically decided you don't want tocommit that crime, you know, right,
So I successfully avoided him in housesof hiding and talks about that after
I successfully avoided him because I didn'twant to have underage brides and all that
in the room and all that.So anyway, because I successfully avoided him,
then I think I believe I wasthe only one who actually successfully did

(09:39):
that. So when he got caughtand he realized he was never going to
be able to pull me back intoan experience like that and make me a
full accomplice because I kept going backand back and back for more. So
you're saying the crime was underage bride'sunderage brunt. Okay, Well, he
had him in the same room asa bunch of adults and was telling them

(10:01):
to undress and all that. Sohe had a whole trick way of getting
everybody involved, and I was inthe introduction to that and tricked into not
realizing that there was underage rights inthe room until after, like he told
us to stay focused on him andnot turn around and all that. So
anyway, when he did give hispermission to turn around, there was underage

(10:24):
rights in the room watching us.So that was horrific. And I never
went back to any of those meetingsagain after that time frame. So after
I was introduced to it, Ihad to do a lot of things for
like basically for survival, Like Ihad to really be conscious of not attacking

(10:45):
him on that belief. So Iwould have gone and I just said,
I don't like this. I don'twant to be a part of this.
I witnessed him tell other wives youhave to stay, you cannot leave,
and he would get angry over thingslike that and feel like it was a
gest reason to be angry. Butin my experience, I just wrote to
him, said I need more time, and he bought into my story.
He let me leave Texas and thenbasically I never was brought back into those

(11:09):
experiences because I was openly rebellious fromthat point on. And because I was
openly rebellious, it protected me fromgoing back to Texas where he was.
So when you say accomplice, sohe's got women in their witnessing, yeah,
underage bride, So now maybe hecan blackmail say, well, don't
you if you tell on me,y'all are all going to prison too because

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your accomplices? Was that the idea? That was the idea? Wow?
Yeah, they didn't highlight that veryvery good in the documentary. I don't
feel like, Yeah, but Ithink it's super important to recognize that,
Like, I feel like I cantalk about it more openly than most of
them will ever want to or everbe able to. Some of them did
have kids on the property, andI believe in a court setting that would

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also be considered. They would doanything in these underaged writing secret meetings because
they don't want to leave the propertyand put their younger children at risk.
That to me would make sense ina court setting also. So there'll be
some of those stories, and I'vealready heard some of those stories. In
my mind, I don't have asmuch compassion for women that didn't have any
kids on the property and stuff,And maybe I should. I'm not a

(12:16):
judge, but in my mind Iwas so targeted and so abused that if
I had more support, it wouldhave been so much easier. Of course,
in that timeframe when I was goingthrough that, Yeah, I just
think that the women had more responsibilitybecause like, you know that he had
seventy nine wives. How could Iyou know, want of user in domestic

(12:37):
violence is enough, right, it'stoo much? Yeah, Yeah, So
he had like forty nine kids andseventy nine wives By the time he went
to prison so well, also gettingthat many people to go along with it.
You think that someone before you wouldhave would have snapped and gotten the
heck out of there, you knowwhat I mean? Why were you the

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only one that I was in it? Well, because he made those elite
groups, and he had the guardtowers and the gate around him and cameras,
and he put me on twenty fourhour watch because I was succeeding his
aviating him. You're a problem,don't think right. Yeah. So basically
when he made it like a concentrationcamp, he told him it was the
holy place we're going to build whereall. But it was kind of like

(13:22):
a concentration camp for some people,and nobody wanted to be in that position.
They were basically physically trapped at thatpoint. It wasn't just the mental
cage that we were used to growingup. Gosh, did you have family
on the compound? I had mysister. Some of the time. They
would hide everything from her, Theywould just spoil her rotten, and I

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don't know, she was instrumental inconvincing my biological family that none of it
was true and that they did itwas the profit that was really crazy because
it never happened to her, AndI was like, of course it's not
gonna happen to you. They don't. They can't do that. That wouldn't
be secretive. Let's talk about probablyyour trauma that I'm guessing you may or
may not still feel today. Youhad this entire life of nobody standing up

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for you. My father did good. That's that's awesome to have one person,
did you stand up publicly though?For you? That's what I'm saying.
Even at the wedding he was crying, but he didn't there. Yeah,
yeah, because then he lose therest of his family. He told
me, he's always like I didn'twant you to marry Warren Jeffs. So
you have now more of an understandingof why he couldn't do anything, you

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know, because I feel like whenI look back at people who didn't stand
up for me, it's angering becausedamn it, you should have. But
you you look at it like hewould have. He would have if he
could have. Yeah, I feellike my father would have. I think
I learned a critical thinking from him. And also in psychology, they say,
if you have one parent who lovesyou no matter what, you're going

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to be better off. That's whereI feel like I learned love from.
I think of love as like stability. Oh I love that. Yeah.
Do you have much a relationship withyour biological family now? Um? I
have two brothers that I'm really closeto. I have my father who I
talked to all the time. He'snever held anything against me, even though

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he was kicked out a week afterI escaped. Oh wow, where is
he now? He lives? Wasone of my brothers that I talked to
all the time. Does he stillconsider himself part of the FLDS church or
is seeing more? No? No, they won't even let him come back
when he was kicked out. Theytold them you would never be able to
return. So does he still prescribeto those beliefs or is he I'm just
curious, like when people leave,what do they do? Okay, he's

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changed a lot. It was aslower process. I feel like than sure
some of the kids and stuff.I know. It's really loving in Jesus
like to kick people out, youknow what I mean. I don't one
of you try to explain the reasonJesus's name is in the title of your

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church. It doesn't make any sense. Yeah, there's nothing Jesus about these
religions. I think. I thinkit's yeah, it's about them. It's
about the leader, you know,getting everything, and yeah, it's not
about the people, because like evenin my situation being elite, we weren't

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working a regular job. We werea whole body, Like he had seventy
nine wives that are just staying homeall day teaching school and stuff. But
like basically we were working all thetime, but we weren't paid for it.
And then all the people that arepaying for it are starving, and
you know, because he's requiring somuch money from them. It was a
horrible setup. Wow, scammer,do you still have some friends within the

(16:45):
flds, like in the compound thatyou know? I don't work with people
on the outside mostly, gotcha?Yeah, Because my next question, I
guess does imply I was going toask if there was one person you could
save out of the compounds, whowould it be? But I guess if
you really didn't have a lot oftight relationships because you were too rebellious,

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I sure all the one thing oneif I was you know, a dream
world of who I would save,it would be my mother. I really
wish sometimes that I had a betterrelationship with her. Sure, I really
wish that I would have tried attwenty six. You know, it was
when I escaped and I didn't knowhow to go there, and I don't

(17:29):
think what the church it would havebeen good. But you know, I
have such a close relationship with mymom that adopted me now that I just
wish that I could also have thatwith my badge. She is she able
to talk to your biological father.No, she's on the inside still and
he's on the outside. So wehaven't talked for eleven years. So yeah,

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Wow, do you ever wonder what'sgoing on? What happened to her?
I know that my sister, whowas also married to Warren, is
assigned to take care of her.So it's like a trauma bond kind of
the ball not going to leave becauseof the other one. Wow, I'm
wondering because throughout the documentary you keephaving times pop up where you're thinking,

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I gotta get out of here,I gotta get out, and you do
make a few attempts. It's notlike you had one day where you're like
I'm done. You jumped and thatwas that. So I'm curious. Do
you remember like what specific teaching orwhat specific moment kind of triggered you over
the edge where you were like,I'm going to try to start getting out
now. There was a few ofthem. There are big ones, like

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basically the first one was realizing thatthe god I had been taught about my
whole life I didn't believe in becauseWarren Jeff's didn't act out like he was
requiring more of me than he wasdoing. Oh yeah, you know.
I woke up in that in ahouse at Hiding, and before that I
was openly rebellious to everyone. Iwas like, I'm not praying to and

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sure I don't go back to thegroup before I decide I'm ready. It
got to a point where Warren Jeffswas calling me up directly and I was
just telling him I'm reading. Ididn't tell him the real reasons why I
wasn't going back. I just said, I'm studying because I want to be
further ahead in my life. Iwant to know if this really works.
You know, I can't just trustit it works, because like you know,

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I didn't tell him that, butthat's what I was thinking. I
can't just trust it. It worksbecause of all the good people that were
following his program that we're kicked out, Like, why would that be something
I wanted to do if it wasn'tsucceeding. So after studying for a long
time his words, because that's theonly books and the only recordings I had,
I just started realizing more and moreand more like this God, you

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know, I'm learning out how tomake it into his kingdom. But like
he doesn't exist, and this isWarren Jeffs interpretations. He's the one that's
given me all these all these trainings, and he's not living this way,
So like, yeah, this Goddoesn't exist. Is that your proof that
God doesn't exist? Based on theway you were seeing this religious leader live
his life? Clearly, because that'show he taught us. He was supposed

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to be the example. He's atthe top of the pyramid, he's supposed
to be the closest to God.So you were so disappointed in his actions,
You're like, this can't be real. God can't exist. If this
is God's representative, then it's boththis sucks. Yeah. Yeah, because
even if I went over to anotherpoligamy group saying they had a different leader
that maybe was leading. All thedoctrine, all the doctrine I had been
given was Warren Just's interpretations, soit wouldn't be this exactly the same way

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of making it into heaven. Doyou think that Warren Jeff's actually believes he
is the prophet and talks to God, or you think he's just scamming people
and knows it. I think he'sa narcissist, a sociopath. He really
likes to take away people's hope,really slowly, antagonized. He thinks it's
funny, thinks it's fun, Heenjoys it. He has their heaven,

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you know, their ultimate dream,and he's raised them to believe in this,
you know, wonderful place. Andhe's slowly just telling them, ah,
well it's right here, but youcan't get it, you know it's
right. It's just really sad towatch. It's just horrible. It's very
maculative. Yeah, and remember hehad that one moment they showed him in

(21:11):
prison talking to his brother yet amoment of doubt. He kind of related
to his brother, this isn't real. I remember that. But then he
came back around. Yeah, thenhe came back around. We didn't hear
about that inside of there. Surethey didn't let us scare those recordings.
Right later on in the documentary talksabout how you were having PTSD episodes.

(21:32):
I would love to get into thata little bit because I know a lot
of our listeners have PTSD from thetrauma they've gone through from their religions.
So, yeah, do you mindtalking about that for a minute. Yeah.
So, first off, like ittalks about how I was on eight
Andrew saraquill and I've had people comeforward and tell me we knew she was
overdrugged. We knew that if westepped in, we'd get punished, but

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not only that, then the otherpeople in the office would lose their family
and stuff. So like they werebeing trenned to give any more drugs and
a lot of them were doing it. So like I had so many at
eight hundred milligrams as cycle by thetime I left. And I believe the
only reason why I would survived,because that's actually lethal those wow, is

(22:14):
because I built up to it thenjust give it to me all at once.
And also I was fighting it sohard. Why'd they say you needed
it for sleep? I was fightingsleep because I wasn't safe. I don't
think that's really supposed to be prescribedfor sleep. It looks like it's for
part of it, but it's notreally for that. It's like for depression

(22:36):
and schizophrenia and borderline personality or something. I just look this up. Bipolar
disorder, that's what it's for.Yeah. My doctor in the cult would
tell me that if I was fightingreally hard for something, you can take
more of it. I don't thinkhe really wanted to prescribe that much to
me, but he didn't. Youknow, he would lose his family if
he did. What's a typical dosage? Seems like that's so hard. Do

(22:57):
you have any idea what a typicaldosages? A typical dose is, like
maybe two hundred, that's still prettyhigh. You were on eight hundred.
I was an eight hundred by thetime I left. Wow. The usual
I'm reading this, the usual recommendationfor insomnia is twenty five milligrams once a
day at bedtime. Yeah. Yeah, and you were taking eight hundred.

(23:18):
Yeah right now. So when Ileft, I went called turkey off of
medicine obviously, because like I wasrunning for my life and all of that.
So then there's a whole side effectthing to that in most medicines,
but I was still fighting like everythingfor survivals. So I learned a lot
of skills about reading people in thecult, like I learned to reading people

(23:41):
quite well withoutwards. I believe itdid help me a lot when I met
new people in my life. Iwould still apply those things really naturally.
Yeah, vigilance is a trauma response, yeah for sure. But in flight
mode, where I was literally runningfor my life, they were chasing me.
They put me on the missing list. They told every activist out there,

(24:02):
they all tell me they got aphone call that said she is under
my mother's custody and you need tolike return her. And I was twenty
six years old, but they weretrying. I believe if I would have
got brought back, they would havesucceeded at taking away my American rights.
But because I was twenty six andthat hadn't happened. If I would have
been put in front of a judgeand my family has all turned on me,

(24:22):
the doctors are all saying one thing. I don't think the judge could
have read through it. I don'tthink they would have believed me. Wow.
Yeah, So when you say,when you say take away your American
rights? Is that just like theconservative ship that Britney Spears went through.
Oh gotcha. Yeah. And ifI get put in a sane place and
the person who has my rights issomebody in the colt that Warren Jeffs puts

(24:45):
over me, I'm screwed, whichit would be. Yeah, which it
would have been, And nobody wouldhave known me. And he has done
that to people, and I didn'trealize it was stacking up on me.
So basically saying you're not fit orcompetent to make decisions for yourself, you
can't sign documents. It would havenever mattered if I really was competent.
Sure. I was running from that, and that was really one of the

(25:10):
biggest factors why we did the wholesocial change and get legally adopted, because
then if I ended up in thehospital for flashbacks PTSD, which was pretty
bad obviously coming off cold Turkey andmedicine and all of that, Yeah,
it would make so that if Iwas in there too long for a temporary
facility, then the decision usually goesto a family member to make a decision.

(25:30):
I didn't want to wake up inthe FLDS. Yeah, so it
was your your adoptive mom could.Yeah, so my adoptive family would make
that decision, and now my husbandright, Yeah, so that was huge
to do the It took two years. Wow, were you nervous those entire
two years? I went to Tennessee. I lived in Tennessee for two years.
Nashville did the PTSD lesson when yougot off to SARAHQ Will like,

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do you think that was mostly whatwas causing it? Or was just your
shitty upbringing it was? I'm noton Saraki where at all. I didn't
have constant clarity. For the firstsix months, I'd have days that were
better than others, Sure, andthen after that I'd have a like a
really big panic attack, kind oflike a really big I call them PTSD
episodes every six months, and Idid end up in the hospital for a

(26:15):
temporary time frame. What were thoselike? Did something trigger it? Were
you having thoughts during it? Triggerfear based? Mostly? Sure? After
I moved back to Salt Lake afterthe two years, when my identity had
all been changed, I was convincedto move back to Salt Lake because of
when they changed my Social Security number, they didn't change my SSI in the

(26:37):
same month so I couldn't pay myrent. My attorney was like, I
just got some free tickets from anXFLDS boy who said the town in Cardo
City is changing. He just becamea pilot. He had these free tickets.
He said, if any bids incrisis, tell him to fly home.
Oh wow. In Salt Lake,I stayed with an XFL the s
lady for a while. But anyway, PTSD usually gets farther apart over time.

(27:03):
Yeah, that's great, and that'swhat happened to me. So like
it was four years. Last year, I did have a small episode.
It was a less amount of timethan usual. So that was a year
ago, but before that it waslike five years, four or five years.
Do you still like fear for yourlife? There are days where I
worry a little more, but Ithink it's been eleven years now and I
have to tell myself to pull myselfout of those things. Because I thought

(27:26):
the documentary i'd get a lot ofbad feedback, but I haven't got any
actually so far, and most ofit is just confirmation that it was true
and that was not what I wasexpecting. So it's still a learning curve,
but it's not the same one thatI was planning for. I was
planning for a lot of people justtrying to deny it because they don't want
to be in that mode of confirmingit, you know, but nobody has.

(27:51):
Everybody just really sorry. And wedidn't realize that it was because of
the secret meeting that he told usto do all this stuff. We thought
he was telling us because you reallydid something bad. So, Shelley,
this seems like a good time fora break. Break time we are back.

(28:12):
Hello, Hello, So you've donesome amazing things since leaving. I
would love to hear all about theDream Center. What is it? What
do you do? So? TheDream Center is, to be honest,
they are Christian based. If youput like a Mormon based facility where you
get grants some way, the moneyhas to come from somewhere. Sure.

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So basically, my mom, myadoptive mom, has done small organizations for
years. She's worked in a lotof those and they don't get the funding
in your top because the grants.She's really bold about, like polugamy is
not healthy. We want to helpthe victims of people that do want to
escape. There's also the whole sideof polugamy where they say you know,

(28:55):
like Sister Wife show where they're alllike saying, you know this is healthy.
You know, there's all those peopleI called Stockholm syndrome. Polugamy is
Stockholm syndrome. They're capted by thesystem, and some people identify with it.
They learned to say, you know, we're going to make this work.
Anyway. My mom is on thecaptive by this system side, and

(29:15):
in Utah, if you are onthat side, it's really hard to get
funding for your nonprofits because you can'tget grants. Because I mean you can,
but like it's really hard to getgrants because of Mormons. The funders
have a lot to say in howyou run your program. So if they
don't you read the grants really well, they can just say like you can
only have this money if you doit this way. Wow. That was

(29:38):
a big factor, And so mymom wouldn't take those opportunities because they weren't
really opportunities. So she wouldn't givethe money, and then she couldn't help
the people because she doesn't have themoney. So anyway, the money has
to come from somewhere. So basicallywe wanted to have a broader scale be
able to help the people in abroader way. So the funding in the

(30:00):
dream center mostly comes from Christians,and most not more about Christians again,
like ones that the Christians that actuallydo behave like Jesus well hopefully in comparison
to wardships. Yeah, but I'mjust saying that's why the funding comes from.
And they do have a lot ofrules in the dream center to not

(30:22):
trigger people because it's, like we'veexplained culture sensitivity. Walking into a rape
recovery center and say we're going totalk about rape, you know, is
it going to be really horrific.So we walk into a dream center and
say, we don't talk about Godhere, right, because this is their
trigger in this area. So mostdream centers do have more of that because
they don't have that as the trigger. But the short great dreams that are

(30:44):
definitely we have to act our livesout. We can't. We can't talk
about God in the facility unless somebodyasks about it pretty much, and anything
with church is optional, gotcha.So it's it's a pretty good setup for
that. And actually when you getin side of there, which not every
fld AS person realizes that it's alittle different, so they sometimes don't want

(31:07):
to walk in the doors. Butif they do take that step, what
they do find is like their storywill be believed. These people have no
reason why not to believe their story. Where if you go into a facility
that doesn't have a Christian base inUtah, then there's that risk. A
lot of times with the Grand Route, a lot of people they're just told

(31:29):
it wasn't true. Take drugs becauselike you just imagine that, that's a
really common thing to shush up victimsin Utah, I believe. So we
have to watch for that through anygrants we get too. When you escaped
FLDS, you ended up at theDream Center, right right, Okay,
how did that happen? How'd youfind out about them? So the Dream
Center is in Warren jesse old house. So the landowners in Colorado City is

(31:52):
a lot different because of the churchin the past. So fld as round
this little town. It's actually thebackside of Zion's Park and it has really
gorgeous mountains and stuff here. TheUEP was set up. It's a charitable
trust, so it's like a it'skind of like a nonprofit type thing,
but it's a trust. So likeWarren Jeff's got up in church. This

(32:14):
is the fast version and just say, you know, like there's more long
versions of how this happened, butthe fast version is he got up in
church and said, if you wantto stay in the church, which meant
keep your family, then you needto donate your titles to your houses to
this charitable chest called the UEP,the United Effort Plan. Cite the United
Order if you probably understand a littlebit about the United Order. So a

(32:37):
lot of people did because they wantedto keep their families and stuff. So
he owned almost all the property inthis little town, in this charitable rust,
this guy, and then he wouldmove people around. He'd say,
like big families go in this houseand small families go in this house.
And you know, like he justmoved everybody around. There was a moving
crew. They would show up atyour house in the middle of the sometimes

(33:00):
and just say we're moving today,like everybody, Oh my gosh. Yeah,
it was it was a mess.They just throw everything movie out,
moved somebody else in. That's justyeah. He was doing that before he
became the leader, but he wasdoing it through his father because he was
kind of the caretaker of his father. When he became the leader. He
ran from the law, and thestate took over the UEP trust, and

(33:22):
the state of Utah and Arizona tookover the trust and they gave it to
xfld S people, and that's whythis town is an older compound and it's
becoming mostly XFLDS now. When Icame back to Utah, I figured out
that the UEP rules were so Iwas an illegal wife. I couldn't go
through court and get the house becauseI was an illegal wife. But the

(33:43):
UEP had rules that if you wereif you built the house, or if
you're a wife of the person whobuilt the house. The XFLDS people made
these rules after they were put inthat position to by the state, and
they just said, we're going togive it first to people who built the
house, or people a wife ofthe person who built the house. And
I happened to be one of hiswives, and they knew I was because

(34:04):
they were XFLS people, and hewas in prison for life, so he's
not coming back to get his house. So I went and applied. There
was some of his family that supportedme in that cause they didn't really want
the house because it's a high profilehouse with tons of bills. You know,
we weren't sure it was going tobe able to be anything, really,
so when we applied they supported mein getting it they didn't And also

(34:29):
a lot of them had more historywith that particular house. That house was
in Hildale, Utah, and thathouse was the house that Orangeffs lived in
before he became the leader. Andso I went into his family after he
was running from the law, noton the most wantedless, but he was
running from the law. Didn't registerthat until after the wedding. But anyway,
so I'm saying this house in Hilldale, he wasn't really at when I

(34:53):
was there, all right, becausehe was already running from the law and
he was already gone. So whenI moved in there, I moved there
for like four months. And soanyway, it's just easier for me to
deal with it than somebody who hada lot of history that was bad there.
So that was the experiment, wasseeing if we could turn that house

(35:13):
around. When you escaped, wherewas the first place you turned for help?
So for me, I ran toa family in town that I had
heard had left altogether. So Ifirst worked my way back from the elite
groups into this older compound to ColoradoCity because there are some XFLDS people here
and flbs. So I worked myway here through like fighting for opportunities,

(35:38):
and it just so happened. Theydecided to send me back to my biological
family to question them in some areas. So I got locked in solitary confinement
in this town and unscrewed the screwsin the window and ran to this family
I had heard about that had allleft together in this town and I knew
where they lived. Because I didn'twant to show up at the wrong house.

(35:59):
If it was an all the house, that wouldn't work for me,
So I had to go to somebodyI thought would help me. Well,
when I ran through a yard rightbefore I got to this family's house,
so it was a lady sitting outsidethat was dressed to XFL the ASID.
She was like, can I helpyou? And I was like, yeah,
I need to get up to theneighbors. So she drove me up
there, and I didn't know her, but she's like, should I go

(36:20):
in or should I just leave?I said she might as well come in,
So she came in, and whatshe did is she knew the phone
number of the organizations on the outside. The family I ran to had two
recently left themselves and they didn't knowanybody on the outside either, so they
actually called my adopt the mom nowthat very day. She's working for an

(36:43):
organization in a neighboring town. Thefamily I ran to drove me down to
her that day. They took themall day to decide to do that,
but they said they would because theywanted me to stay with them. They
were trying to convince me to staywith them because they know me and they'll
take care of me. I waslike, no, this isn't gonna work
this time. So anyway, theydrove me out. I went to my
mom's house and she was the onethat I had lived through the aub group,

(37:07):
which is a different polemic group inUtah. And I escape, that
is your adoptive mom you're talking aboutright now? Yeah I don't, Okay,
Yeah, Kristin Becker. So shewasn't my mom at that time,
but she fought so hard for meand all of that that when I went
to Tennessee, I actually asked herto adopt me. Gotcha, And she
was working for one of these organizationsthat help people recover from the sort of

(37:30):
situation. Okay, yeah, Andwas this all based in Utah then yes,
she's still based there. Yes,so you basically you and your husband,
I guess established the Dream Center.Since then we actually found the Trade
Center and gave them everything that wecould give them for the cause. And

(37:51):
then they did talk to the UEPand all of that and figured it all
out. They did at least toOwn first to be showed the licensing would
be able to be in place,and they actually took over the payments immediately
even though the contracts to the leastown were it done. So they took
over the power of the water allof that immediately. What do you do
when someone like you you were inthe past comes to the door of the

(38:14):
Dream Center and it's like I justescaped a cult? What do you How
do you help someone? So basicallywe have an application and we just basically
set their own goals. Like ifthey don't have an idea, which happens
in cults a lot because they havemidwives, then I don't always register them
with the state, so they don'talways have a social so it depends on

(38:34):
their case. We go through theircase with them and decide their own goals
that they want to have in theirown life. We do it over a
series of time. The first daythere's like six papers, but then you
know, over like a month,will meet with them a few times,
figure out what they need. There'sno deadlines. You can stay for years
if you're as long as you're keepingpeace in the house and you're working towards

(38:55):
your goals. So they live inthe facility. Potentially it's always over fifty
rooms. It's like twenty eight thousandsquare feet. Oh wow. It's the
goal to rehabilitate them in such away, like find them jobs or how
do they how do you transition someoneout, Teach them what a resume is,
to help them with their interview questions, get them a job. We

(39:16):
transport them to their job if it'sin town. It just depends what they
want, like if they want tosave up for a car. We actually
have a transitional house now, soif they want to save up for a
house and it's for a more advancedpatient, so like when they've been there
for quite a while, we tryto move them over to the transitional house
and open up beds for more peoplein crisis. Gotcha what percentage do you

(39:39):
think it is of the flds thatescape that get out in this town of
Colorado City and hill l Utah,there's they in compass. They call the
both towns together. They call itShort Creek. In Short Creek, there's
like eighty percent xflds now twenty flds. Oh that's awesome. How many do

(40:00):
you think go back? Do manygo go back after they get out?
Not very many? A few?Yeah? But that one thing also is
in my documentary. It talks aboutlike seventy other locations of flds, so
they scattered all over, but thisolder compound is kind of like a hub.
And do you have to be FLDSto qualify for aid through the Dream

(40:22):
Center or other organizations? Or canyou just be LDS? You could be
LDS, you can be m Theyjust prioritize poligamy groups and probably eldis two.
I don't know, but I doknow that they do take other like
domestic violence. They do take otherthings if there's space, but they prioritize
the people from this culture first.Sure, sure that makes sense. So

(40:44):
interesting? Is there is there away that we can tell our listeners how
they can help out the Dream Center, whether it's yes or a website you
can point us to. Yeah,there's a website Short Creek Dreamcenter dot org.
That is such a great thing.Do you think people within the compound
they're understand that there is the DreamCenter, that there is somewhere to go.

(41:06):
Yeah, maybe that's holding people back. They don't think they have any
place to go any way to startover. They're stuck. That's one thing
about doing it in the prophet's house. Oh, they can't hide it as
easy product to the prophet, youknow, his house, Like, yeah,
that's smart. Yeah, oh that'sawesome. That's great visibility. Right.

(41:30):
I love that, And I've donein home daycare in the past.
I've done right now, I'm afair support specialist as well as an RA
at the Dream Center. So Idid twenty hours as a FIR Suport specialist
and twenty hours as an ARA.So basically when I did the in home
daycare I loved it, but Ijust gave it away because of the documentary

(41:51):
coming out and all that, Like, yeah, you've been you've been busy.
Yeah, you seem a little busywith the documentary. Where where have
you been? Kind you've been promotingit and people want to talk to you.
What are some of the cooler thingsyou've done. So basically, we've
been to Phoenix quite a few times, but we're also planning a trip to
San Francisco, a big event inSan Francisco in September for Suicide Prevention Month.

(42:15):
Nice. And I love that becausemy logo is the fire poppy,
and that's like the state flower ofCalifornia, but it's basically my logo because
it grows first after a fire insome areas. Okay, I like it.
And also I had a butterfly onmy logo because I need that and
my angle of expertise, like whatI'm trying to explore and all that is.

(42:37):
I don't just tell my story allthe time. I'm working toward healing
from generational abuse. Yes, yes, absolutely, yeah, speaking of healing
really quickly. Was it hard foryou to do this documentary? Did it
throw you back too far? Itdid? For That's why I had that
last week last year, I hadthat little PTSD thing. It had to

(42:58):
do with the documentary and some ofthe verifications finding out there was a hit
on me and stuff. But youknow, I healed a lot from that
and it wasn't as long as normal. I think a lot of that,
like when I do take twenty milligramsof Abilify right now, And I think
a lot of that asked to dowith when I figured out what kept me
stable for five years. You know, I didn't want to backtrack and make

(43:20):
everybody paranoid again, because every timeyou try to come cold turkey and with
a doctor or anything, if youmess with your medicine, people all get
heightened in awareness and around you,your support system kind of goes to their
own their own worry for you.And I don't want that, So I
just decided I'd just stay on twentymilligrams. It's better than upsetting my life

(43:43):
again. I think it's so amazingthat you were willing to do the documentary
and get back into that ugly place, work through some things, deal with
your PTSD as it hits you afterward, to help people. You know,
that's you put yourself through a lotof additional shit that you didn't have to

(44:06):
just to help people. That's Imean, that just speaks to your character.
Yeah, you are so brave,so brave. Thank you so much
for sharing your story. Yeah,yeah, yeah, is there anything else
you'd want to add that you thinkwe've skipped or left out or something you
want to put in there. Ithink we're good. You know, I
have a website too, Yadecker dotcom. Yeah, b R I e

(44:29):
LLL Decker. It's not as niceas the Short Creek one, but it
is there. Yeah, trying toget there. We can put these links
in the show notes. But ifanyone wants to donate to the Dream Center
Short Creek dreamcenter dot org and checkout Prisoner of the Profit on Discovery Plus

(44:50):
or your Amazon Prime add on literallyamazing, jaw drop dropping Espyre. You
won't even believe it when you watchthis documentary. If they want to get
my book later, it's not outyet, but they can send their email
and put it on like email listfrom my um like through my website.
Oh cool book, Look at yougoing? So what's the name of it?

(45:12):
Do you have a title for ityet? Um? I don't.
I do know the title, butI can't, like I have to launch
it right, what do you want? Yeah? We be good at that.
When is it supposed to be released? Um, we're working through the
Dream Center of self published, solike we don't have everything figured out we're
close though. It's all written justyeah, trying to get all right.

(45:35):
But if people send you an emailsaying, hey, we're interested in the
book, then you'll have them ona list. Yeah. Perfect, I
love it, I love it.I will put all this in the description.
Brielle, thank you so much forbeing our guest today. It's been
amazing to connect. But gosh,I'm so glad we did. This is
so good. Yeah, so good. Yeah yeah, yeah, all right,

(45:55):
thank you so much. That wassuch a great interview. Seriously,
yeah, seriously, so fascinating andwhat a story. I'm so glad she
escaped that ship. Oh my god. I would love to interview her again,
like in a year, two years, see what's going yeah with her
foundation and everything. Yeah, yeah, awesome, Thanks again Brielle for joining

(46:15):
us. Super awesome. Love yourstory. God, it's it's heartwrenching and
also what a what a great happyending though heartwrenching and inspiring. Absolutely for
sure. Okay, we're gonna takea quick break and then when we get
back, we've got a pod topitch. Shelley gets to que music I
do always fun, and then uh, well we got to figure out how

(46:36):
to do Patriot names to I've gotan idea. Don't spoil it, okay,
spoilers. Listen to the commercial andstay after so that you know what
we're gonna do with the new namesthat we are giving you. Alrighty,
please don't fast forward through the commercial. We won't get paid. That's right,
we won't get that three cents.We get totally. It adds up,
I guess eventually. All right,be right back. We're back and

(47:01):
uh no, I want to talkMary. Okay. I came across an
awesome podcast called Late Learner. Thisis by Alison Hair, and I want
to talk about it. Yeah.So this is a blurb she sent us.
I'm just gonna read it. Read. It's about the conversations you have
once you outgrow where you are interesting. In other words, unexpected places to

(47:23):
find answers to your most important questions. It's bold, it's badass. Ready
to throw to the clip? CanI yeah? Cute music? Seriously?
Well it's been a whusince I gotto do that. Cute music, bitch

(47:44):
your pus. Oh yes, howabout the get list instead of the bucket
list. You might be like me. You've checked all the boxes, you
did everything you thought you should do. You got the house, the kids,
the job, but something is stillmissing. Why isn't it enough that

(48:07):
bright, playful spark of yours wasput on ice way too long ago.
And not only that, You've gotsome bumps along the way that left you
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(48:29):
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(48:53):
out Late Learner with Alison Hair whereveryou listen to podcasts. Okay, it's
for patron names, Shelley. Ohare we are we doing this again?
Well? Yeah, we are,my phone, I know how you are.
How do we decide to do thesepatron names? Well, because good
old Warren Jeff's um has lots tosay. As the prophet to the world,

(49:19):
we are going to give last namesof some dumb shit that he would
prophesy. Oh like fake prophecies.Aren't they all fake? Did you have
to start fake? So all right, let's get started. So we see
how this has played our first patron. And by the way, God,

(49:39):
thank you for supporting us, allof our patrons, even though thanking God
right now. Thank thank thank you, Heavenly Father for your Thank you,
Heavenly Father for this moisture we've receivedtoday. What they stain that? Yes,
it's true. Oh my God,you just say thanks that it rained

(50:00):
God? No, I believe Father. We're so grateful for this moisture we're
receiving today. You know, I'msorry. Mormons are just creepy. It's
just creepy, creepy. Did Ijust say that? Yeah? Can't you
just talk like a normal person?Can I say that I never said moisture,
never thanked jack Ship for the weather. I don't know why I didn't

(50:20):
cross my mind. Weather happens,whether you want to do or the weather.
All right, let's get back tothe names. Okay, First up,
Lori pe or is it Luri?Someone's waiting for that. It could
be Laurie or Laurie, I don'tknow. You should see the spike that
happened on the recording. It good, it Hill, You're welcome people's ears

(50:45):
and Dan sorry Dan um So.Something that I think that Warren Jess would
come up with is he would probablysay something like the starts of the pea
pornography. I wish I could dohis creepy voice, monography is now only
for me, only for the prophetthat would be me. God, his

(51:08):
voice is so gross anyway, hisnew revelation is pornography is for him and
him alone. Oh all right,I like it, so, Laurie,
pornography. Sorry, Laurie, Idon't know. Your name is sorry together
and sucks. I can't remember thetime we had like good last names because
we fuck them up. Yeah hyeah, it's not your fault, Laurie,

(51:30):
Luri, except as Andy and Andydidn't bother giving us an initials.
So well, along the same lines, Andy is Randy's Randy. I wrote
it wrong. No, what Andyis Randy because he's the prophet and only
the prophet has loved to watch porn? Oh so Andy Randy and that's actually
pretty good and new last name isRandy Andy Randy you're welcome. Is this

(51:57):
all gonna be sexual? For sure? Melanie with no last name? Another
no last name, probably because theydon't want us to give them new name.
Haven't they learned that you will getone whether you want one or not.
There's no please don't give me anyou fuck that. You're getting a
new name. That's what we do. You need a new name to get
into heaven anyway, you might aswell let us provide it. You know,

(52:19):
Shelley started this four years ago orsomething, and we just cannot get
out of it. I can't.I think it's expected at this point because
we do like to announce our patrons. And how do you suddenly say,
you know what patron's going forward?You don't get the new last name.
I know it would be tragic.Yeah, they might pull their support.
We're not having that. You're gonnapay five bucks a month. You're gonna
get a fucking new name. Allright. Well, what's Melanie's last name?

(52:39):
We don't know, because you didn't. I know, I know what
you're than anyone. It's up toyou. You're doing this, okay,
So we have Melanie something that Iam sure and has already that this fake
prophet would prophesy money. What aboutmoney? Money must be given to me?

(53:01):
Okay, Melanie money, that wasyour fake prophecy from Warren Jeff's Is
that a prophecy or more just leddemand. No, it's saying God told
me that you seemed to give memoney. Yes. I don't know if
prophecy counts is like future only,But when this guy talks like this prophecy
to his fault, it's kind oflike when you get a fortune cookie and
it says something like you're a kindperson. That's not a fortune, that's

(53:23):
just a comment. Does that makesense? I'm similar. But when he
says God said, God said,God said money goes to me, give
me money? Yeah? Is thatwhat God told him? Melanie money was
in prison? Yep, thank youfor your support, Melanie, Thanks Melanie,
Thanks for giving us your money.Oh maybe that was a prophecy oh

(53:43):
for us? Yeah? Oh shewas meant for us. What a sweetie
pie. But we do appreciate you, Melanie, Yes, yes, yes,
okay, Next, Catherine s sall sinners will suffer Beryl in the
afterlife. There it is. Thatwas good? Did you enjoy my Warren

(54:04):
Jeff little creeping too? Close.So Catherine Sinners, Catherine's sinner. Good
job. I'm sorry, Actually,is it? Yeah, let's see what
we can do for Joey, JayJay what you got? I'm thinking,
and I'm gonna say, but thisisn't Mary. You're gonna put it into
Warren Jeff's voice. I think somethinglike judgment is upon you? Din't is

(54:28):
this Jeremy No, Joey, JoeySorry, sorry, sorry, sorry,
Joey, Joey, Joey a littletoo old man. It needs to be
more soft spoken, like sort ofhigh pitch, but not you know what,
No, this isn't a scandal.I can't say that. Odd,
I know what you're saying. Okay, Joey judgment is upon THEE. I

(54:52):
threw in THEE? These better?Yeah, yeah, he would say THEE?
Is it Joey judgment? Is thatwhat we decided? Yeah? Sorry,
Joey, Joey judgment. That's likea cool rock star name. Joey
judgment. Joey judgment. That's notreally a prophecy though, what that judgment
is upon THEE? Listen, noneof these are prophecies. This is just
like God said, blah blah blah. All right, all right, Okay,
God said kids, take away yourtoys. God didn't say the toys

(55:15):
will be taken away. God toldme to tell you no more toys kids.
Sorry, fuck off? All right, well, thank you Joey,
Sorry about the all the judgment thatsucks, sucks for you. Sorry.
Who's next? That's it? Thatwas five? Oh, that was five?
Already got Lord pornography, Andy,Randy, Molina, money, Catherine,
what did we say about kid?Who's an s Oh? Sinner Catherine

(55:37):
Sinner and Joey judgment? Thank youall, And you know we have three
super Cast members to announce today.What is Supercast? Get you? It
gets you Scandal sessions? Oh,it's okay, we have to explain this
again everyone hang on, oh God, hang on. Okay. We have
two ways to get additional content.One is through patriot on right. Everyone's

(56:00):
familiar with Patreon, but you haveto go to the Patreon either app or
site to listen to additional content.Sometimes we you know, post a picture
of video or something there. Yeah, that's one way to do it.
Sure, you have to do iton Patreon's app, right, Okay.
With Supercast, it goes to yourregular podcast player commercial free right. Well

(56:22):
yeah, scanal sessions are always commercialfree, and you also get regular episodes
commercial free. There we go.Yeah yeah yeah, so commercial free episodes
and scandal sessions correct, and ashout out on the show that's true and
name yeah, lucky, lucky younew name. So that's the two things
Patreon and Supercast. Okay, that'show you support us. Yes, and
if you're interested in doing any ofthat. I know it's confusing, especially

(56:45):
to Shelley. Sorry. Just visitlatter day lesbian dot org slash support yea
and read all about it, okay, or ask me and I will confuse.
Oh yeah, she'll tell you allabout it. She has no idea.
Okay. So today's Supercast members,we're gonna mention Autumn are Oh I
got this, okay, go onlyfinding old man. He's not okay weird,

(57:08):
he's this weird, soft and creepy. Yeah, only the righteous teenagers.
Oh God will be my next wives. That would be a prophecy from
creepy. I'm sorry, I'm sorryeveryone in prison, Jeff, good God,

(57:28):
Autumn Righteous, I'm sorry, Autumn. Wow, we are just making
these this new name process. Reallycreepy Autumn Righteous, that's pretty good.
Just just ignore the rest, Isaid, gosh, I'm really inappropriate today.
The next Supercast member is Rachel c. You want to take this one,
Shelly? I don't know. Itshould be something about like the consequence,

(57:50):
oh, not following me the prophet? You want you want to you
want to put that one in Warrenvoice? Give me a sentence. I'm
not sure, like the consequence ofyou not following me? Uh huh is
something like eternal damnation? Okay,go the consequence of not obeying the prophet

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will result in internal damnation. Thatwas good, was it? I liked
how you put in following the prophetbecause he talks about myself third person and
kind of like Elmo. Elmo doesthat? Does he? But? Okay?
Last Supercast members, that was Rachelconsequence? Thank you? Last one,

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Kirsten k okay. I think itstarts with Kay kangaroo Warren Jeff's loves
kangaroos. Does he those extra pouches? I don't know. Weird? Oh?
I got one huh something about you'llget kicked out of the family.
Oh if you don't obey okay theprophet? Do you want to try this
one? Disobedient? No, kickedout? I'm getting the ship. He

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can't rush one Jeff's voice because hetalks some fucking slow anyway, Okay,
go ahead, just so obedience willresult in being kicked out of the what
do they call it, let'say,eternal family? Eternal families. I don't
know. I kind of botched thatone. It was good. He got

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the point across. He wouldn't saykicked out. He would say, I
don't know, expelled. Do weneed a new K word? Is there
one kangaroo? You know what?I'm gonna google? K words of langaroos?
Works are the most righteous of Australiananimals? Yes, what do you
care? Shit? Why not fuckinghate? Do it? God said?

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God? Say fuck those wallabies orkoalas? No, they don't start.
Oh yeah, that's another K word. We already the kangaroo one in the
in the Jeff voices. And isn'tit kuka barak? I don't know is
that a K word? What's withAustralia and the sounding? I don't know.
I'm another shrimp on the ball,all right, go with kangaroo,

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Kirsten, kangaroo by the best onewe had. It's better than kicked out.
It's true. We're weird. Imean, is he more likely to
say kicked out or kangaroo I don'tknow. I don't probably get out.
It depends on what God tells himto say. Mmmm. Well, he
would probably think he's really weird soundingif he starts talking about kangaroos and koalas.
Yeah, but he never he's alwaysweird sounding. He never thinks he's

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weird. Remember that one part inthe documentary where he basically admits he's a
fraud and then changes takes it back. Yeah, I'm like, huh,
okay, somebody has a little bitmore self awareness and their plan a game
right now. They're playing a gamewith people's lives. Yes, so he
knows what's up. He does continueclearly awful anyway, Thank you all for

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your support. Sorry for butchering yournew name. Never sorry per usual.
Thank you Dan from a extension audio. Thanks for leaving it in. Really
appreciate you and everyone listening. Remembersteer clear those fucking cults because they're no
joke, no joke at all.Talk to you later. Byebye,