#222: Ivy Zelman (Zelman & Associates) — Non-Consensus and Correct in The Housing Industry

Ivy Zelman is one of the most respected voices in American housing, co-founder of Zelman & Associates, and now Executive Vice President at Walker & Dunlop, which acquired her firm in 2021 as the leading institutional research, advisory, and investment banking firm dedicated exclusively to the U.S. housing industry.

Over the last three decades, Ivy has built a reputation for bold, contrarian analysis—famously calling the top of the housing market in 2005 and the bottom in 2012—moments that cemented her as a rare analyst unafraid to speak truth to consensus. That conviction has earned her numerous accolades, including recognition in Barron’s 100 Most Influential Women in U.S. Finance for four consecutive years and induction into the California Homebuilding Foundation’s Hall of Fame.

In our conversation, we trace Ivy’s journey from falling into equity research to taking the entrepreneurial leap in 2007, founding Zelman & Associates amid the looming financial crisis. We explore her approach to research and analysis—blending proprietary surveys with a nationwide network of builders, brokers, and lenders—to consistently separate signal from noise.

We reflect on her evolution as a leader and entrepreneur, the culture she has cultivated with a team that has stayed by her side for decades, her love of Cleveland, and what it means to pay it forward today through teaching and mentorship as an Adjunct Professor of Finance at Case Western Reserve University, her memoir Gimme Shelter, and much more.

00:00:00 - Catalytic Moments in Finance
00:08:25 - Recognizing Blind Spots in Research
00:11:27 - The Entrepreneurial Inclination
00:11:55 - Building Conviction and Confidence
00:15:54 - Vision for Success
00:17:21 - Detective Work in Research
00:18:45 - Cultivating a Strong Network
00:22:20 - The Importance of Asking the Right Questions
00:25:13 - Reconciliation with Reality
00:26:35 - Navigating Market Sentiment
00:28:13 - The Evolution of Zellman Associates
00:30:38 - Personal Growth as an Entrepreneur
00:34:06 - Leadership and Team Development
00:36:01 - Maintaining Intellectual Honesty Post-Acquisition
00:37:39 - Understanding the Value of Research
00:39:15 - Cleveland's Unique Perspective
00:42:10 - Paying It Forward and Mentorship
00:45:38 - Lessons for the Next Generation
00:47:23 - Contrarian Views on Market Trends
00:49:17 - Balancing Work and Family Life
00:51:20 - Hidden Gem

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LINKS:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/ivy-zelman-64304616b/
https://www.zelmanassociates.com/
https://www.amazon.com/Gimme-Shelter-Skills-Street-Trailblazer/dp/1737709929

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