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Scott Brandley (00:00):
Hey everyone.

Trevor Heninger (00:01):
I'm.

Scott Brandley and I'm Trevor Henniger.
Every member has a story toshare, One that can instill
faith, invite hope and inspireothers.

On today's episode we're going to hear how,
despite a very difficultchildhood and a learning
disability, one woman was ableto find the church and change
her life for the better.
Welcome to Latter-day Lights.
Hey everyone, welcome back toanother episode of Latter-day

(00:38):
Lights.
We're so glad you're here withus today and we're really
excited to introduce our specialguest, becky Sh Shepard, to the
show.
How you doing, becky?
Pretty good, thanks, awesome.
So we also have another kind oftreat we have Trevor Henninger
with us, who's been on the showbefore, so you guys might

(00:59):
recognize him.
So welcome, Trevor, to the showas well.

Thank you so much.
It's a privilege to to be here.
I'm honored.

You guys invited me yeah, well, we're
glad you could come and hang outwith us.
Um, alicia's got some familyissues she's dealing with right
now, so we asked trevor to comehang out and be my co-host, so
should be a fun podcast today.
So, uh, becky, can you tell usa little bit about yourself?

Becky Sheffer (01:23):
Sure, I'm Becky Sheffer.
I live in Burley, idaho.
I'm married to Jordan and wehave five kids, and two of our
oldest kids are both servingmissions right now.
One's in Lubbock, texas He'llbe home, hopefully, soon and the
other one is in North tokyo,japan.
And we have three at home, andso we four boys and one girl,

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and she's smacked in the middleof those boys.
She loves it.
No, she doesn't, but yeah, it'sgood.
We, um, we love burley, idaho.
It's, oh, it's probably theugliest place in idaho, but it
is filled with the best people.
We have a river that we like togo and play on in the

(02:09):
summertime and then a smalllittle ski resort up here that
we ski in the winter.
So that's about us.
Spring and fall were prettyboring, though, so it's a good
thing we have football.

Right yeah, how close is Burley to Boise?

We are.
We're kind of in the middle ofBoise and Salt Lake City, so
Boise, I think, it's about threehours, two and a half three
hours, and then Salt Lake'sabout two and a half three hours
.
So it depends on how thetraffic is.

Gotcha, you're closer to Twin Falls, sounds
like.

Yep, yeah, Twin Falls.
That's where we go for ourtemple right now, but ours is
getting built and almostfinished.

How exciting.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's awesome.

We're growing Yep , good people.

Cool.
Well, we're excited to hearyour story.
Trevor and I have both kind ofread your high levellevel.
You know 10,000-foot view itsounds pretty crazy.
So it'll be interesting to hearfrom you directly.

Yeah, good luck.

So why don't you tell us, where your story
begins?

Okay, well, where do I begin?

No.

Yes, I have a bit of a crazy childhood and every
time I tell someone about it,they always say you should write
a book.
But you know, I always think inmy mind are you kidding me?
There's so many more coolpeople out there with really
crazy stories and their bookswould be much better.
So I always just laugh at it.
You know, okay, thanks fortelling me that.

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But my son, who's in on servinga mission in Lubbock, texas,
right now.
Before he left, he was ourfirst one to leave and he gave
it's supposed to be a blessingof comfort the night before he
left for his mission and in hisblessing he said you need to

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write your book.
And I'm like what?
This is not a blessing ofcomfort, this is like the rudest
thing you could have ever done.
So after the blessing I gavehim a hug and I'm like no more
blessings for you.
I don't think this is a goodidea, but anyway.
So I thought about it and then,about three months after that, I
got injured pretty bad, and Icouldn't do anything.

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I couldn't hold anything in myleft hand.
I was in a lot of pain.
So I thought, wow, this isHeavenly Father's way of telling
me.
You're just going to sit andwrite your book.
So that's what I did.
So anyway.
So that's how the book cameabout is because I was prompted,
not because I think it's a goodread.
In fact, I always tell peoplethere's no refunds.
Sorry, if you read it, there'sno refunds.

No, your book talks about some of your
childhood experiences, right?

childhood experiences, right, yeah, so I
grew up in Utah and then I grewup to parents who were
alcoholics and they were bothexcommunicated from the church
because they had a hard timestaying married to each other
and they had lots of affairs andsuch, and so I grew up kind of
in a house full of a lot ofalcohol and verbal abuse and
they were physically abusive toeach other.

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And so when I turned eightyears old, my grandparents told
my mom that I needed to bebaptized in the Church of Jesus
Christ of Latter-day Saints.
So I was baptized when I waseight years old, but I never
attended church before or afterthat, I think.

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I lived in Utah so I'd getinvited here and there, but I
had no clue what was going on.
So I, um, so, yeah, so I I grewup, um, kind of a little bit
different than my surroundingsin Pleasant Grove, utah, where I
was born, and so after myparents divorced for they like

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to get married and divorced toeach other a few times, but I
was seven years old when theygot divorced for the final time
and after that I lived with mymom and she had a hard time
paying her bills and so we werehomeless quite a lot and so we
would, you know, struggle withpaying bills and we would move

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into a house and then move outabout three months later because
we couldn't pay rent.
And so my mom had a lot ofmental struggles and I didn't
know that as a kid.
When you're growing up you justthink your mom is your mom, you
know she's normal, likeeverybody else's mom.
But, um, so she had a lot ofmental struggles and
unfortunately I was just part ofthe upbringing of her going

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through those.
But, um, so my book has quite abit of adventures is what I
call them with going throughthis childhood of mine.
But I'll share one that mostpeople like or I don't know my
husband like.
It's hard to say that you likethem because it's not.
They're not like great stories,but anyway I'll share one story

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.
I was about nine years old andmy mom was like a pen pals with
a man in prison Cause why not,you know?
So she met a dating guy inprison and so they're writing
love letters to each other.
They decided to get married.
So he gets out of prison andthey get married like within

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that week so it's my first timemeeting him and then they get
married and at this time I wasreally excited because I really
wanted a mom and dad and Iwanted a family.
I always wanted a family.
So that was, you know, I wasexcited.
Um, so they get married and thisstepdad of mine does not, um,
he doesn't work, he's addictedto drugs and alcohol and um, and

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so we keep moving from house toapartments.
I, we were squatters, so wewould find a house and we'd live
in this empty house until wegot busted and then we'd move to
a different one and um, so we,we just kind of went all around
like that but, um, this he waskind of a treat to live with.
His alcohol and drug addictionwas quite monstrous.

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We wouldn't have money.
What we would do is, back thenin the 90s I know, the 19th
century, it's hard to believe itwas once upon a time we would
get food stamps and they werelike coupons, like money coupons

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, and if you go to gas stationsor stores and you buy penny
candy, then they give you realmoney back as change.
And so when we'd get our foodstamps, my stepdad would send me
, I would go walking to the gasstation or whatever and I would
buy penny candies and then bringhim home his money so he could
buy his drugs and alcohol.

(09:12):
Then after that we didn't haveany food for the rest of the
month.
I always laugh because I'm likeI really was the chunkiest
homeless girl you've ever met,because I just ate so much candy
girl you've ever met, because Ijust ate so much candy and then
McDonald's had like 10 centcheeseburgers or 25 cents or
something super cheap.
So we would, you know, eatthose things.

(09:33):
But that's funny, chunkyhomeless girl.
After moving around for a whileI don't know why, but we moved
to his hometown.
So I lived in Orem at that time, orem, utah and we moved to his
small town, redmond, utah, andwe lived in this house.

(09:54):
I don't know where the peoplewent, but there was furniture in
the house but the peopleweren't there and we didn't have
power and electricity oranything.
But we lived there and heraised these chickens to fight.
So he was a cockfighter and sohe, you know, that's that's how
he's made his money and and thatwas not that I'm for that, but

(10:14):
it was sure was nice that whenhe started bringing in his own
income.
So we, you know, had more thanpenny candies to eat.
But anyway, he would raisethese chickens and fight them
and he would force me to go withthem and so I would have to go
and clean up the chickensafterwards and it was pretty

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gross little situation there.
This stepdad was one that nevercalled me by my name.
He would call me like femalebody parts or just really bad
names and just degrade me a lot,and so he just was just kind of
a bad guy.
I'm trying to paint a pictureof him, but anyway, he's just

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not a good, not a good guy.
Anyway, we had these chickensand we lived there for quite a
while.
We were raising them up andthere was one that was really a
good fighter.
He was winning all the fights,all the cockfights, and I named
him Bart because the Simpsonshad just come out and that was
the main character I liked,anyway.

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So this Bart rooster was thechampion.
Well, my stepdad decided that hewas so good that we were going
to move to the state of Georgiaso he can make millions off this
rooster.
And you know, he was telling uswe were going to be like
superstars.
I used to like singing a lot,singing to the Judds or whatever

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country music back then, and sohe told me I was going to be a
star.
So you know, we have all thesehigh hopes, we're going to move
to Georgia, we're going to berich off Bart and I'm going to
be a country singer, and allthis.
And so we load this car up thatcan't even make it to Salt Lake
City from Redmond I don't know,it's maybe a two hour drive, it

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breaks down all the time.
City from Redmond, I don't know, it's maybe a two hour drive,
it breaks down all the time.
So we load up the car.
Well, before we load up the car, he sells all my stuff.
He this is what he's done overthe last year.
Anyway, then being married ishe sells all my stuff.
And so all I have is just theclothes that I'm wearing.

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And I have this boom box that,for those don't know what a boom
box is, it's a radio, portableradio, big one, anyway.
So we load up my boom box, whatwe're wearing, and then we put
all the chickens in theseindividual chicken coops and we
load up the whole back seat withchickens.
I mean it's full.
And so then then I'm sitting inthe middle of my mom and my

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stepdad and and we drive toGeorgia and of course it's
summertime and the car keepsoverheating, it keeps breaking
down, and back then you would Idon't know, I don't think we do
it anymore, but you would turnthe heat on when your car keeps
overheating, and so it wasblasting hot air at us.

(13:07):
Oh, it was so miserable.
It's already hot.
All the windows are down,there's blasting of the hot air.
My stepdad reeks of BO andalcohol and smoking, and then
it's just so stinging.
And then the chickens in theback are you know chickens, and
so flying feathers everywherethe windows are down.

(13:28):
Oh man, if I could go back andjust see us from someone's point
of view, it would beinteresting.
But it was a pretty rough.
So we kept, we kept going andthe car kept breaking down and
of course we don't have anymoney.
Um, so my, my mom would callpeople, or he would call people

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on the pay phone and we would.
They would ask people to likewire money to get our car fixed
and oh, it was an adventure.
So yeah, we'd be stuck in likeno man's land of some states and
I have no idea where we're at,but they would somehow find a
poor soul that would wire themmoney to get us to Georgia.

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So we'd get our car fixed, andso it took quite a while going
and breaking down along the way,and at about halfway through it
I was, but about halfwaythrough it I was hungry.
You know, a few days into it Ihadn't eaten anything.
I was so hungry and I was nineyears old and I just couldn't

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handle it anymore.
I just broke down.
I'm like I'm starving, I'mhungry, I can't do this anymore.
And my stepdad, of course, hasno sympathy and he's like oh,
you're such a fat pig, becky,you know, and call me all sorts
of bad names.
And I feel bad, I'm hungry, andanyway, just got to the point
where I just said I can't, Ihave to eat food, I'm so hungry.

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And so my mom said okay, well,we'll stop at a truck stop and
you can try and sell your boombox to somebody.
And this boom box to me waslike my real dad had bought it
and after my parents divorced,for the final time my dad wasn't
in my life, I would have tocall him on my birthday and say,

(15:20):
hey, it's my birthday, happybirthday, becky.
And then we'd hang up, you know.
So anything that my dad wouldgive me was very precious to me,
so this radio, he gave this tome.
So it just was like having mydad there.
So I agreed I was so hungry Iwas ready to sell the boombox.

(15:41):
I was late at night and we wentand knocked on these truck
drivers doors and asked them ifthey'd like to buy this boom box
so I can get some food.
And a lot of them said no andwe would just go to the next one
.
And one night or this time Iknocked on the truck driver's

(16:06):
door and the man said yes, hewould do it, he would buy my
boom box, but he wanted to goinside and eat dinner with us.
He wanted to make sure that themoney was going towards dinner.
And so it's kind of awkward,like, oh, I'd be with a stranger
, you know, this is kind ofawkward and scary.
Kind of awkward like, oh, Ihave to eat with a stranger.
You know, this is kind ofawkward and scary.

(16:28):
And so we get in to the um, tothe truck stop in the restaurant
part, and we sit with this man.
It's just my mom and me andthis man and I.
I ordered some pancakes and um,and so they brought the
pancakes out and they were huge,just ginormous pancakes, and I
ate probably four or five bites.

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And I was just stuffed.
I was so full because I hadn'teaten for so long and I was
feeling guilty that my mom wassitting next to me and she
wasn't eating.
And just so many emotions andmy mom started getting mad.
Becky, you said you were hungry, you need to eat.
You know, it looks like Iwasn't really hungry and we're

(17:11):
just begging for money, but Iwas.
I just I couldn't eat anymore.
And I just remember crying LikeI can't, I can't eat, I'm so
full, I'm so sorry.
And they brought the check outand that time I had to give my
boombox to this man, this truckdriver, and I just started

(17:32):
crying because it was likesaying goodbye to my dad.
It was kind of like a funeraland this was the only possession
I owned because my, my stepdadhad sold everything of mine.
And so I hand the man my boombox and he says to me it's okay,

(17:53):
I'll buy your dinner and youkeep your boom box.
And then he gave my mom $50 andwe said thank you and he went
off and um way, I don't know whohe is, but if he's alive I
still love him and this has been35 years or more and I just

(18:13):
love this man.
But anyway.
So we get back to the car andI'm crying and my mom's you know
why didn't you eat yourpancakes?
And I couldn't eat it.
And we get back to the car, mystepdad starts calling me all
sorts of bad names again andtelling me how worthless I am
and how I am a pig and neededfood, and anyways.

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Then he grabs my pancakes andscarfs them down and I'm like I
remember I got mad and then Isaid that's not for you, that's
for my mom.
Anyway, it didn't matter, buthe, he just ate those.
But we, we did end up making itto Georgia, and when we got to

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Georgia we stayed with hisfriend Buster, and Buster was a
grown man living with hisparents in this hillbilly town
of Georgia, and I think theywere surprised that this family
of three just showed up at theirdoor with a bunch of chickens,

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and so we lived with his parentsfor a while until my mom finds
a job at a chicken factory andso my mom starts working, and
then we moved into a trailercourt there and and so she would
go to work and Jay or mystepdad would start fighting his

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chickens again.
And well, our chickens werepretty upset from the move, so
they weren't laying eggs andjust things weren't going well.
And um, after a few months ofthis, bart died.
Um, that was like crash of ourdreams.
You know, this was supposed tobe our ticket to being rich.

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And so Bart dies and life isnot great and my mom's at work
and my stepdad's friends comeover and they start doing drugs
and the radio's blasting loudand they're doing their drugs.
And I was, I guess you could sayI was hangry.
I'm always hungry.
If you read this book you'relike gosh Becky's always hungry.
Anyway, not really, but anyway,I was really hungry that night.

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I was angry.
You know, james, this time hewas doing some hardcore drugs
with his friends and they werepretty high.
And I reached for the last canof pears and I don't even like
pears.
I mean I do now.
I like fresh pears, but as akid I hated pears, like that was

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the only thing in the kitchen.
So I grabbed those and I wasjust so angry that I had to eat
pears.
And here he is doing drugs andlistening to my boombox, angry
that I had to eat pears.
And here he is doing drugs andlistening to my boombox.
So I turned the boombox downand I yelled at him in front of
his friends about how we're notsupposed to do drugs and I'm
going to tell my mom when shegets home.
Well, my stepdad Leroy lost him.

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He didn't like me talking tohim like that in front of his
friends.
He stood up and came right tome and I and started screaming
at me and I I I never felt thisbefore, but it felt like the
spirit had lost my left, my body, like I, was just like scary.
It was a scary feeling and so Iran into my room and I hid in

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the closet.
And he's screaming at me andtelling me all sorts of things
and bad names and such, and I'mjust in my closet just crying
and just wishing and prayingthat my mom would come home.
And, uh, I remember I had thisCruella de Vil toy that I got

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from like a McDonald's toy.
That was the only thing I had.
I just grabbed it and I justremember just trying to play
with it and just trying to keepmy mind off of not dying.
I was just so scared that hewas going to kill me right there
and just trying to payattention.
But I was just crying so hardand when my mom got home,

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leroy's friends left and thenshe came in and found me in the
closet and I was just crying sohard and I told her what
happened.
And so she grabbed me and tookme to the living room and
started yelling at Leroy.
And Leroy got pretty upsetabout it and they're screaming

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and yelling at each other andLeroy grabbed me and put a knife
to my throat and said you know,he's going to kill us, starting
with me.
And at that moment, you know, mynine-year-old brain is like
thinking of all those deadchickens, like, oh, I'm going to
be one of these dead chickens,like it's going to happen.
Who's going to clean up?

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Because I was the one that usedto clean up those chickens and
there's so many thoughts goingthrough my mind.
Anyway, my mom, she apologized,they worked things out.
I honestly I don't rememberexact words.
I was in just try and survivemode and so young.

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And anyway, he let me go.
And as he let me go, my mom andI started walking down to her
bedroom and he said you know, hetold us not to sleep tonight
because he's going to kill us ifwe fall asleep.
And he was serious, he wasgoing to do some harm.
So we shut the door and my momsaid we're getting out of here.

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And so she opened up the glass,the window, and we jumped out
the window and crawled to thewell, walked quietly to the car
and we put it in neutral and mymom pushed.
I drove and my mom pushed thecar out of the driveway and up
the street and then we startedit once we were out of earshot
and started the car and droveover to a friend's house and

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told her what had happened.
She said yeah, you need to getout of here, you need to get
back to Utah.
And at this moment my mom we hadnobody.
We weren't church going people,we didn't have a church people,
we didn't have friends andfamily in Georgia, we didn't
have any money.
That car was not going to makeit back to Georgia or Utah.

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And so my mom had me call mygrandparents, her parents, and
ask them if they would buy us aticket back to Utah.
And at this time mygrandparents were not talking to
my mom, they were in a bigargument, and so she said you
have to call.
So I get to the pay phone and Idial my grandparents' number and

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it's collect and I don't know.
Do I have to explain whatcollect is?
Collect is an expensive phonecall back in the day on the pay
phone so nobody really wanted toaccept collect calls because
they were so expensive.
So I call my grandma andgrandpa collect, and it's late
at night and I say it asks youfor your name.

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I said it's Becky and mygrandparents denied the phone
call.
They didn't accept the collectcall, they just hung up.
And I told my mom they hung up,they didn't accept it.
And so she said call back andtell them instead of your name.
Tell them, it's important,we're going to die.

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You need to answer, you need toaccept this.
So I did, I called back grandmaand grandpa it's Becky, we're
going to die.
I really need your help.
Please accept this phone call.
And sure enough, they acceptedthe phone call and I told them
everything that had happened andthey said okay, put your mom on
the phone.
And I handed my mom the phone.

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She's like I'm not going totalk to him.
And I said well, you got totalk to him or we're not going
home.
So she gets on the phone andthey have this mini argument,
they get it figured out, and sothey said they would buy us a
bus ticket on the Greyhound busto get back to Utah.
And so the problem is we livedin this small, dinky town of

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Georgia and we had to get toAtlanta where the Greyhound bus
station was.
And we had to get to Atlantawhere the Greyhound bus station
was.
So my mom got a hold of somefriends from work or somehow.
We found a man that had a smalllittle truck and he was willing
to drive us to Atlanta.
This time it was pretty coldand there wasn't room for all
three of us in the front and Ididn't want to sit up front with

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this stranger by myself, and some and my mom sat in the back
of this pickup truck for thisthree to four hour drive to
Atlanta.
It was freezing and we kepttrying to hold this blanket on
us and it kept flopping in thewind.
And my mom has a pretty goodattitude.
She tried to make good out of abad situation, and so we played

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some games or we try to get thetruckers to honk their horn at
us and all sorts of games tojust keep us busy, but it was
pretty miserable.
It was really cold and just nota great, not a great moment to
try and flee for your life.
And so we get to Georgia and Igrew up in Utah.
Uh, so we get to Georgia and I,I grew up in Utah.

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And so in Utah, you know, it'sjust, I don't know, utah is
different than Atlanta, Georgia.
So we get to Atlanta, georgiaand there's all these big
buildings and different, justdifferent atmosphere.
And we get to the Greyhound busstop in Georgia, in Atlanta,
and a nine-year-old girl fromUtah steps out, me and my mom,
and we're the only white peoplein this bus station, you know.

And I'm like whoa, like what.

I've never seen diversity in my life.
I was like, oh, where are we?
Who are these people?
Just shocked.
It was shocked, you know, justa shock thing.
But we were standing in line tobuy our bus ticket and I had to
go to the bathroom and my momsaid, oh, the bathroom's over
there.
And this big lady behind ussaid no, you don't.

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You don't send your daughterthe bathroom by herself.
Here you pack your stuff up andyou all go together.
So I was all of a sudden scared, like, oh, like, uh, it's so
dangerous, you know, dangeralert.
All of a sudden.
And so we get our, we get ourbus tickets and we get on the
bus and the last minute bustickets, we weren't able to sit

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next to each other.
And so here we are, I'mseparated and I'm stressed out
because I can't even go to thebathroom without my mom, let
alone drive all across countrywith strangers.
But we made it.
We made it back to Utah andmoved in with my grandparents

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and they got it solved for alittle while.
Then my mom got a job like theygot their argument solved, I
should say.
When my mom got a job, we movedinto some low income apartments
and lived there for a while.
And this stepdad, leroy, hefound us.
So my mom had to file fordivorce and doing that, he found

(29:33):
our address.
So about a year later probably,he shows up at our doorstep in
Orem and my mom was at work andit was just me home alone and I
answered the door.
Quite a surprise to see Leroythere and he's begging.
You know, please forgive me, Iwant to.

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You know, I don't want adivorce, I want to live with you
.
I hitchhiked all the way herefrom Georgia and I don't want't
want a divorce.
Please let me talk to your mom,talk her into it.
I stood my ground, I yelled athim.
I said get off my porch, I'llcall the police.
I don't want you in my life.
Get out of my life, don't evercome back.
I never saw him.

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I'm so grateful that my mom wasat home, because she was not
the brightest when it comes tomaking decisions, when it comes
to men, so I was grateful thathe was gone, and so that's.
I mean, there's lots of crazy,weird stories like that in this
book that I've shared, and mything is is, when people say,

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write a book, it's like, well,what do I write about.
And so one Sunday I gotthinking about writing this book
and we were talking about Nephiand how he went back and he
wrote from the past to thepresent and doing this he was

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able to see the tender merciesof God, and I think that that's
what's so beautiful about hisbook.
I'm not Nephi, but looking back, I mean, could you imagine if
Nephi was writing the scripturesthe day of like and my
brother's beating me up again?
Here's the testimonial Boundagain, you know.
So anyway, he writes it in adifferent perspective, and so I

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thought I could do that.
I can write it and I can lookfor God's tender mercies in my
life, and so that's what I'vedone is try to find the good in
surviving, you know, survivingthese things and all the other
fun things.
So my, I won't go into too muchdetail of it because it'll be

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an eight-hour podcast and yourratings will go way down, and so
we better not do that.
But my mom ended up divorcinghim and then, shortly after,
married another quack, quacky,doodle quackadoodle is what I
call him, this guy.
He thought the government wasgoing to put us in concentration

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camps and so he moved us downto southern Utah.
We lived in the desert for twoyears, then a tent and I worked
in his concentration camp, butanyway, so that's how I got to
Hurricane Utah.
So I call it Hurricane Home,because you know, because I
moved around as a kid all thetime, I never went to school.

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I found a report card that saidI went to second grade 22 days
of the entire year.
So when we moved down toTokerville to live in this tent,
to get away from the government, I went to school for the full

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two years.
I'd never done that.
I never went to schoolconsecutively every day.
And the reason why I liked goingto school is so I wouldn't have
to stay home and work in hiscrazy camp.
So I worked pretty hard.
He worked me like a man.
I was pretty buff.
I would arm worked me like aman.
I was pretty buff, I had armwrestle all the football players
and win them, and so I waspretty buff little kid back then
.
But I made friends and I'venever lived in a place that long

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, so that's why I call Hurricanehome.
I don't have any family downthere, but I sure do love
Hurricane, um.
So after she divorced him, Iwanted to stay in Hurricane.
So, um, we stayed down thereuntil I graduated.
And um, and so after, uh, aftershe divorced that second step

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dad, I graduate.
About my 11th grade year Idecided to um graduate high
school and I thought, well, Ibetter go to school if I'm going
to graduate high school.
And then I went to a career dayand that was a great day.
One of the guys there at thecareer center said I want to

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talk to the women and the girls.
I want you guys to understandhow important education is.
Even if you are the luckyperson that gets married and
your husbands take care of you.
You still you know what ifsomething bad happens?
And I thought, yeah, I knowthat situation too well.
You know, I've been homelesstoo many times.
I don't want to do this anymore.

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So if getting going to collegeand getting a career means I can
pay my bills and have my ownboombox and my pancakes, I'll do
it.

No doubt.

So I decided to get serious and so I signed up
for some college classes.
Back then it was called DixieCollege, so I was going high
school classes doing packets, um, took some college classes and
then I signed up for a dentalassisting college.
So I got it.
I was doing that and so by thetime it was time to graduate, I

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had caught up and I finally wasable to graduate on time and um,
and so I thought, well, Ibetter go on to college, like
this man said.
So I took the SAT test the worstidea ever.
I mean this was a bad idea.
First of all I paid for it andthen I sit down for it and um,

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and, like I said, I didn't go toschool when I was a kid.
So I I learned through thetimes that I did go to school.
Um, I learned how to read words, so I could read words, but I
couldn't understand what theywere saying.
So I take this SAT test and Ibomb it, and I bomb it hard.

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I mean I already knew I bombedit and then they send the
results telling me how bad Ibombed it.
So I got the results back andsaid that I was at a third grade
learning level.

I mean, that's pretty impressive.
I don't even think I made itthrough third grade.

So that's pretty good, I guess, but anyway it was
pretty bad.
So I that didn't stop me.
I still wanted to make my ownmoney.
So I went up to Weber I to makemy own money.
So I went up to Weber I.
Well, first of all I, when Igraduated, I got a few

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scholarships and my principalwas saying I got the
scholarships because I worked sohard to graduate.
And so so I went up to WeberState and I decided to do dental
hygiene was my major, because Iwas.
I was smart, I know myweaknesses and that one did not
require a lot of math.
And so I'm like well, I can dothis, I don't have to take a
math class, I can do anything.

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So I signed up for you know,all these prerequisites for the
dental hygiene program and I was, I was struggling, struggling.
Um, college was hard for me.
I would do okay in class if theteacher taught us everything.
I could comprehend that.
But when it came time toreading assignments and books, I

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would have to read it aboutthree or four times to
understand what was going on.
Um, it was hard.
I was barely passing, like if Igot got a c, that was like an a
.
You know, I got a c.
I'm passing the class.
This is a good life, I'm doinggreat.
So it was a struggle.
I worked very hard to where Iwas at and, um, I did that for a

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couple, uh, for a few yearsuntil I was about I was around
20, turning 21 years old.
So I've been in college for twoyears and just struggling.
I'm still going.
I'm still going.
I'm still taking classes.
I'm still doing it, but it's astruggle.
I get a phone call from my momon my birthday telling me that

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oh, this is a tad bitinformation my parents, my mom
and my dad, married each otheragain because, you know, the
fifth time is the right time.

Five times, five times, okay yeah.

They got it down.
I hope they saved all thewedding decor because, you know,
no, I think they got married incourthouses and stuff.
So, anyway, when I turned 18and I graduated, they got
married that week.
So they married each other,which was great and I didn't
have to take care of my mom.
Um, I had to take care of mymom a lot, so it was great that

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my dad could do that now, um, soI'm turning 21 years old and I
thought they were calling me totell me happy birthday, but
they're calling to tell me thatmy dad had had a heart attack.
And so I rushed down to they'reliving in Taylorsville and I'm
in Ogden.
So I rushed down to Taylorsvilleand my dad.

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They took him into surgery andthen they told my dad that he
needed to quit smoking and so,and to change his diet and all
sorts of things.
And so my, my mom, who grew upa member of the church, um, said
, hey, I know some missionariesthat will teach you how to quit
smoking.

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And so when he got home fromthe hospital, she started having
missionaries come over everyweek and teach him how to stop
smoking.
And then my dad actually isilliterate.
He can't read or write.
He can write his name andthat's it.
And so they were going to teachhim how to read.
And that's through the Book ofMormon they were going to teach
him how to read.
So I would drive down once aweek to support him.

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I had no interest in going tochurch.
That wasn't on my radar to do.
I just turned 21.
So why would I start going tochurch?
So I just had a differentlifestyle at that point.
I started taking the missionarylessons with my dad, and after a
couple of weeks into it, themissionaries asked me if I

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wanted to start reading the Bookof Mormon.
And I thought no, I can't evenread my schoolwork, you know.
But okay, if it's for my dad,I'll do it.
So I start reading the Book ofMormon and it's so confusing,
holy cow.
It's the names, everything.
What is going on?
I've never read scripturesbefore.

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This is so confusing to me.
So I remember I meet with themissionaries.
I'm like what is happening withsome rod and a tree?
I'm like I'm really lost.
I don't understand that.
I don't think I can do this.
And so they explained it to me.
I still didn't get it, but Iwas like, okay, this is great.
Well then they asked if I wantedto pray with my dad, if both of

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us wanted to pray with them andask if the Book of Mormon was
true and if Joseph Smith was atrue prophet.
And I never prayed with my dadbefore, I never heard him say a
prayer, and so I said, okay,yeah, we'll do it.
And so we all four got on ourknees and the two elders started

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the prayer off, and then itcame to my turn and as I prayed,
I asked if Heavenly Fatherwould tell me if Joseph Smith
was a real prophet and if theBook of Mormon was true and if
they did see God, the Father andJesus Christ.
And the answer was so strong.

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It was as if my knees werecemented into the ground.
It was a solid, my body wassolid and such a peaceful
feeling and I was sure yes, andI just knew it right then that

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what they were teaching me wastrue.
I couldn't deny that feeling.
That was not made up, that wasreal.
And then my dad took his turn topray and we got up and I was
just bawling and they asked meand I said I was told, yes, now

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what?
And so they said, okay, great,keep reading your Book of Mormon
and find a church to attend.
And so I was just the beginningof all of this process and so
they told me to go to a singlesward at Weber State and so I

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attended the ward there and thatpoor bishop.
I found him and I said I thinkI have to tell you all the bad
things I've done because I foundout that Jesus is real and true
and Joseph Smith is a realprophet and I have this other
life that I've been living forthe last 21 years.
And that poor bishop he'sprobably like who is this gal?

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But anyway, I wanted to justmake everything right and from
that moment on I I completelychanged.
I mean, I lived with a roommatewho is not LDS, a member of the
Church of Jesus Christ ofLatter-day Saints, and she was
like what happened?
You know, we like to party andstuff, and so it went from I'm

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not doing that anymore, I'm nowgoing to church.
So I started reading the Book ofMormon on top of all my
studying, and that was reallyhard.
I had a friend who I calledGrandma.
That was really hard.
I had a friend who I calledGrandma.

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She sent me this old school1970s study guide of the Book of
Mormon.
It's got a brown cover and it'sgot Angel Moroni I think it's
not Angel, but anyway Moroni orsomebody with the plates there
and so I bought the cassettes ontape the Book of Mormon
cassettes on tape, so I wouldplay it, I would read it as I
was listening, and then I'd stopit and I would read the study

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guide.
So I was really trying to figurethis out.
I had my answer, I knew that itwas true and so I knew I needed
to read it and understand it.
So I would do that.
And about halfway through theBook of Mormon I didn't need
that recording anymore.
I was reading it straightthrough for the first time and
understanding everything I wasreading.

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And then my schoolwork was thesame way.
I wasn't reading my book fourtimes, these boring textbooks.
I would read it once and Iwould get it.
I was acing my tests, my gradeswere straight A's.
If I could pull up mytranscript, my Weber State
transcript, it would show, youknow, c's, d's and then all of a

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sudden, a's.
Just I was getting it.
I was not a struggle, it wasall understanding and getting it
.
And there's just power in theBook of Mormon.
There is so much blessings whenwe follow those promptings.
When we do that, heavenlyFather blesses us individually.

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And I feel bad when I share mystory of when I prayed and I got
a strong answer yes, because Iknow there's so many people out
there who have struggled withthat, with getting that exact
yes.
But I think Heavenly Fatherknows my personality, he knows
my patience, he knows Beckycannot go longer than five

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minutes without an answer.
No, I just think it was alljust timing and my personality
and such, and so, yeah, I justwould love to just bear
testimony in the power of theBook of Mormon.
But it's so powerful and I'venever yet met somebody who reads

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the Book of Mormon every day,who has fallen away from the
church.
You know, it's just a safeguard, it's power, it's protection,
and so if there's a challenge,if anybody is watching this, if

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they're not bored yet, they'restill watching, they're still
with us I would challenge themto read the Book of Mormon.
Find out for yourself.
Don't take my word for it, takeyour word for it, read it.
Read of Mormon.
Find out for yourself.
Don't take my word for it, takeyour word for it, read it.
Read the whole thing and prayfor it, you'll get an answer.
It's amazing.
If you're struggling, theanswers are in the Book of
Mormon.
I just know this.
I love it.
I'm grateful for my HeavenlyFather, who knows me and who

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loves me and who gives me theseopportunities to know him.
So after I finished the Book ofMormon, I was going to church
regularly and I met my husbandshortly after that.
He got home from a mission andI tricked him into marrying me

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and he hasn't regretted it yetAt least he hasn't told me.
That's a plus, yeah, so anyway,we got married and we have five
kids and moved to Burley, idaho, which I love.
This place, I love Burley.
It's so great.
But anyway, I've just beenchatting it up, so sorry if you
have any questions or I skipahead or anything like that.

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Yeah, it's all there in thebook if you're totally bored.

I was curious was there something particular
that you'd like to share aboutthe atonement of Jesus Christ
and how that may have influencedyou or helped you with healing?
Because I imagine there's a lotof trauma in your life from all
those traumatic experiences youhad as a child oh, yeah, thanks

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, yeah, yeah, yeah, thanks forbringing that up.

I love talking about Jesus Christ.
Sometimes I wonder if I'm inthe wrong religion, you know,
because I want to shout it fromthe rooftops.
I want to yell at people Jesusloves you, anyway.
So thank you.
Yes, with my mom.
My mom made quite a bit ofmistakes growing up, but yet she

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still had this love for theSavior and so she would have
moments where she would want tobe near him and she would start
going to church and I was ableto see my mom repent many times.
I didn't understand it, but Icould see my mom.
She met with the bishop.
A lot that's how I knew to meetwith the bishop was because I

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followed my mom.
She was always on thisrepentance and always asking for
forgiveness and just talkingabout how much she loved the
savior and how much he'sforgiven her, and so I think
that instilled a seed in myheart that I didn't know at the
time.
Um, yes, when I yeah, when I umstarted coming to church, I was

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like, wow, I have done somepretty stupid things in my life.
I mean, I live to be a teenagerand I've made a lot of mistakes
coming to Heavenly Father andasking for forgiveness and
feeling that love and thatforgiveness and just feeling

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that acceptance.
He loves us no matter where weare in our life, and that's one
of the tender mercies.
I see that I pointed out in mybook that I wasn't going to
church growing up.
My mom wasn't.
We were making bad choices buteven during the bad choices I

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could see Heavenly Father's handin my life protecting me and
loving me and he doesn't give upon us.
He loves us.
He loves me just as much as heloves a drug addict on the
streets.
He loves me just as much as heloves my stepdad.

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He loves me so much and heloves all, everybody.
He loves us all and I love that.
I love that of my savior andit's helped me.
I don't hold grudges.
I'm not angry at either any ofmy stepdads or people in my past

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.
I'm not angry at them.
I would love it if I showed upat the temple and they were
there.
You know I don't want to go ona picnic with them, I don't want
to hang out with them oranything like that, but I would
love to see them feel what Ifeel.
But I think that knowing thatand feeling that forgiveness

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allows me to forgive othersbecause I've been forgiven.
So yeah, thank you for askingthat.

You're welcome.

Yeah, I mean you've kind of lived an
interesting life because half ofyour life was, you know, it's
going on these wild adventures.
I don't know if I'd call themadventures.
It's going on these wildadventures, I don't know if I'd
call them adventures.
You live this life that fewpeople live outside of the

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church, and then you have thesecond part of your life where
you've been in the church, youknow, do you ever?
I mean, how does that affectyou in your life?
Do you ever think about yourpast?

Sometimes I think I'm blessed with being able to
just get through things.
Today in church we talked aboutspiritual gifts.
I honestly think I have aspiritual gift of just going
through hard times and justgoing through it and pushing
through, and so I've beenblessed with that.

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I'm kind of at the halfwaypoint of my life, or a little
over half now, but I've livedhalf a crazy you know not crazy,
but half a life of not in thechurch and a half life in the
church, and I would definitelytake the second half.
I joke because people say areyou going to write a second book
?
I'm like no, my life is soboring.

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Now, this is great.
I love this boring half of mylife.
You know I don't have anythingto write about.
Life is too good, but I'mgrateful there's so much
stability in in the gospel andknowing and knowing that we have
a God, we have a heavenlyfather who loves us and the son

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Jesus Christ, and knowing who weare, it's easy to to love
others when you feel that love.
And knowing who you are, it'seasy to feel that love and what
happened to your parents so myparents, yeah, they got married,
which was it's a shocker.

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I'm still shocked about that.
But my mom passed away 15 yearsago.
She, she was sick my whole life, just in and out of the
hospital and just really sick,and so she passed away from.
She had lupus and all sorts ofother diseases.

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But right before she passedaway, actually, she asked me to
go to the temple with her.
So I I got to be her escort andgo to temple with her and that
was a really yeah, it's a, it'sa great moment.
My mom's always been temple,temple bound, my her whole life,
but just gets mixed up with badpeople.

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But her bad choices, not people, um, anyway, so she, yes, so
they stayed, they, they workedthrough their, their ups and
downs.
They both were re-baptized intothe church and then, after my
mom passed away, my dad livedalone for a while and he passed

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away nine years ago.
He was, he tried to give upsmoking, but he just never could
.
You know that's so addictingand so hard.
So it eventually took him justbad health from smoking and
eating poorly.
And so, yeah, I always tellpeople I'm an orphan, I'm an

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only kid.
Between those two I have anolder brother and an older
sister from my mom's previousmarriage and I love them.
I call them my brother andsister, but they're wonderful.
But growing up they weremarried.
They got married young and so Ididn't live with them.

But yeah, wow, great stories.

Oh, thanks Wow Great stories.

Oh, thanks, yeah, I don't.
I don't know.
I'm like, I'm just curiousabout the the camp that you
stayed at, living in a tent, fortwo years.

Oh yeah.

What was, what was that experience?

like, Like so I just didn't know how much time
you want had or me to go into,so I we got we got, so I just
didn't know how much time youwant, had or me to go into.
We have a little bit.
Okay, yeah.
So I at the time I was 11 yearsold, living in Orem, utah, and
and so my, my stepdad, my mom,marries him and, luckily for me,

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he has a daughter that's aroundmy age she's just a grade
younger than me and we becomebest friends, and so that was
that was helpful.
But they get married and hethinks that the government's
going to put us in theseconcentration camps.
And then he's seeing visions ofthe world coming, you know, to
an end and a big earthquakecomes, coming to an end, and a

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big earthquake comes and he seesour house go in like this big
earthquake and fall down.
And so I'm all scared aboutthis.
As an 11-year-old girl, I'mlike, okay, well, this is scary.
So he had brainwashed us prettygood about the government
coming after us.
We were not supposed to talk topeople about this.
He told us that the governmentwould be coming to our schools

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and when they do, we just lookstraight down and walk out the
door and then we have a meetupplace.
So at this time I'm prettyanxious, like I'm ready to move
to Southern Utah, I'm ready toget out before the government
finds us and before thisearthquake happens.
And so we moved down and we pullup to the desert.

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He's like this is home.
But there was no home, therewas no road, there was no, it
was desert.
There wasn't even a place topull his truck into his Bronco,
into or laser, and so we had toexcavate by hand.
Um, I don't know if you've everbeen to the desert, but you
can't dig very easy in thedesert without hitting a big

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rock.
You know, there's so many rocks.
So we got these five gallonbuckets and we would fill them
up with dirt and rocks and we'dcarry them both on each side to
both even us out and we'd dumpit along the way so we could
flatten out a road to pull into,and so we were able to make a
driveway down.
And then, yes, we had tents.

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Um, him, um, he and my momlived in a tent that he built,
that he designed as a pyramid,because he believed that
pyramids give you these specialpowers, energy powers so when
they wake up they're energized.
But my sister and I, mystepsister and I, we had just a
regular tent with no energypowers, which we really could

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have used them because we werehis workers.
So, anyway, we move, we livethere and we're building, you
know, always flattening out land, and he wants to build a shop
because he invented thesewindmills, a different type of
windmills.
I'm not making this up.
Somebody did read my story, mybook, and said, did you make

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that up?
And I'm like, oh, I'm not.
No, I probably would have donea better job of making things up
, I don't know Anyway.
So yeah, so he's invented thesewindmills.
We had to build this big shopfor him to work on these
windmills.
But he was really into theNative Americans and so he

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became friends with a tribe downthere, and at this time I'm 11
years old, going on 12.
And so he became friends with atribe down there, and at this
time I'm 11 years old, going on12.
In fact, I turned 12.
And for my 12th birthday I gotan AK-47 gun Because we had to
protect ourselves from thegovernment.
Got my gun.
Probably won't be able to useit, but anyways, that's what we

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do we shoot our guns, getprepared for the government, but
anyway he comes friends withthese Native American tribe down
there.
I don't know what the tribe nameis, because I was 11, 12.
He was a quackadoodle and Ididn't want anything to do with
what he wanted to do.
I'm like you're crazy, I don'tlike you.

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So I've never had authority inmy life.
You know, my mom was justflighty go to school if you want
, don't, whatever.
Just never.
Nobody ever told me what to do.
But he would tell me what to doand he would make me do all
these jobs, and so I didn'treally like him or his stuff.
But anyway, we get adopted intothis Native American tribe and,

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and doing that, they gave usIndian names, and my name was
White Cloud, which means highabove all and lets the shine,
high above all and lets the sunshine through.
And so that's what I named mybook.
A Girl Named White Cloud.
But so I'm.

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You know, we've got these Indiannames.
We're hanging out with thesepeople and they're coming over
and they bless our land, and sowe follow this man around.
He's burning this sagebrushrope braided.
He's burning it.
He's got an eagle feather andwe're walking around the whole
property and he's blessing theproperty.

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Thank, grandfather, for thisearth, this land.
And I'm like who's grandfather?
What is going on, you know?
And so, um, yeah, we, we'vebecome part of that.
Well then, my, the stepdad ofmine.
He smoked a lot of marijuanaand so he had us go around and
plant his marijuana all alongthe desert.
So, and when we would plantthem, we didn't know it was
marijuana.

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By the way, the federalgovernment's watching um, no,
I'm just kidding anyway.
So we're planting these.
You know 11, 12 year old girlsplanting marijuana all around
and we would have to tag themwith this red fabric and so we
know where they are and anyway.
So that was interesting, livingwith him, and I didn't find out

(01:00:41):
what they were until my momdivorced him and we moved away
and she finally told me but yeah, sometimes I wonder, like, if
my mom was alive I'm sure I'd belike Mom.
What in the world Now that I'ma mom and I have kids, like what
were you thinking At the time?
It was just all normal to me.
But yeah, it was hard.
We didn't have running water orelectricity and being a teenage

(01:01:05):
girl is kind of rough.
So we would fill up buckets andgallons up at Tokerville Falls
at the spring and we would fillthat up, and then sometimes we'd
even just drive into town at agas station and use our hose and
fill up buckets for our water,and so living in a tent was
interesting.
The winds were really tough.

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They're really strong downthere, it's why it's called
hurricane, or hurricane to somepeople but and so it would get
really windy and things would beblowing around and it was
pretty.
It was pretty tough the firstsummer I was there.
I he worked us really hard.
I mean, I'm not just saying itwas hard because I'm a wimp, but

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it was.
I was a man slave for him asman labor, but I ended up
getting heat stroke.
It was really hot and I wasreally sick from this and at the
time we didn't have a house.
I couldn't just go in and getair conditioning and cool off

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and there was no shade, therewas no trees.
I couldn't.
The biggest thing that wouldgive me shade was no shade.
There was no trees, I couldn't.
The biggest thing that wouldgive me shade was this big, huge
boulder rock and it gave someshade, but it was still that
heat coming off that rock andthe ground.
There was just no hope and um,and we couldn't tell people
where we lived or our names,because the government won't
find us and so I couldn't go formedical help.

(01:02:33):
Well, luckily and this isanother tender mercy his mother
showed up.
She didn't even live by us.
She came down to visit and shecould see how sick I was.
I was probably gettingdelirious at the time.
I was really sick.
She put me in her car andcranked up the air conditioning

(01:02:55):
and just blew it on me and thewhole time I just remember I
kept telling her turn your caroff, turn your car off, it's
gonna overheat and then you'regonna have to blast me with hot
air.
I was so scared from that tripfour days ago about that heat.
We didn't have nice cars so Ididn't know what air
conditioning, how long it lastedor whatever, but I was so
worried about it.
Anyway they she did talk himinto me going to the hospital

(01:03:18):
and getting help and what partof the agreement for me to go to
the hospital and get help was Icouldn't tell anybody where I
lived or why I got heat strokeor anything, because the
government would find us and Ididn't want the government to
find us.
You know I was scared, um, aswell.
So so we go in, we're just.

(01:03:39):
I think my mom told her a storythat we were hiking or
something, I don't know, but Igot IV therapy and got all fixed
up and back so I could go backand work real hard again.
Yeah, that was quite theexperience living there and
really I don't think I couldmake it if I didn't have that.
His daughter, my stepsister Icall her Hillary in the book,

(01:04:02):
but she was a huge blessing andI wish I was in more contact
with her, but we went separateways, unfortunately Wow.

Trevor Heninger (01:04:12):
Yeah, good time .

Scott Brandley (01:04:14):
I live in Hurricanes so I know how windy
it is and how hot it gets, like115 degrees.
You know most of the summer.
Yeah, yeah, it's hot, I get it.
Yeah, we went to 10.

Trevor, go out and make an attempt this summer.
See how it goes.

Becky Sheffer (01:04:29):
Yeah, yeah, oh geez.
Yeah, it actually inventwindmills, because he probably
would have done really well.
It's so windy, right?
No, yeah.
Yeah, he was waiting on apatent or something for the
generator part right, yeah,that's gonna work.
Oh yeah, yeah, darn it.

(01:04:49):
Oh yeah, good times.
Oh, it's a much different placedown there now.
We went down to visit and I'mlike you guys have more than one
red light and, uh, more thantwo places to eat and a movie
theater.
Holy cow, it's a differentworld down there, yeah I love
hurricane moving on up yepawesome.

Well, beck, this has been super fun.
Really appreciate you sharingyour story.
Do you have any final thoughtsbefore we wrap things up?

I do.
I the purpose of you know my,my whole reason.
I don't mean to like talk aboutmy book, but the whole reason I
share these stories and wrotethis book and share this is to
see God's love and for people tounderstand that there are
little I call them little BeckyDavises out there.
There are kids out there thatlive a hard life because of

(01:05:45):
parents' choices and justremember to love them and those
and not even just the children,but people who struggle with
addictions or whatever just lovethem.
They're Heavenly Father'schildren as well.
And so if we could just reachout and just, I don't know, just

(01:06:06):
try to be kind.
This world needs more love, morekindness.
Let's follow our Savior.
He gives us, he tells us, thegreatest commandment is to love
our God and then to love ourneighbor, and I think I mean
that's a big commandment, that'sthe commandment.
So I think it's very important,I think it's something.

(01:06:27):
If we could show kindness andlove to people, we'll win the
battle for sure.
Life will be easier for us andthem.
But, um, that would be mymessage is just to try to
understand others and just lovethem, for for how heavenly
father loves them.

Awesome.

Any last thoughts Trevor.

I don't know, I love, I love how she finished up
.
You can't get any better thanthat right Focusing on love.
God is love, and thosecommandments are amazing.
Thanks so much for sharing withus, becky.
I learned some things.
I love your example.

Oh, thanks.

Well, thanks, Becky.
Okay, so the name of your bookis oh, I have it here.

You want me to show you.

Yeah, show a picture of it.

And please understand, I didn't write this
book to sell books.
I thought I would sell fourbooks, but you know I've sold
more than four, but I thoughtI'd only sell four.
But anyway, this is it here.
It's called A Girl Named cloud,a story of light shining
through the darkness.
And if you, if you, want aquick read, it's a quick read
and you don't have to, I'm not,I'm not gonna hold anybody to it

(01:07:41):
.
I, I just wrote it because Iwas told to, that's all.
Anyway, yes, that's it well,that's cool.

Thanks for letting me share it yeah, that's
a lot of work to write a book,so yeah, yeah.

Well, it's more work for editing it and that was
my husband's job.
The poor guy and he didn't evenget paid and you're still
married.
Yeah, I know, he still likes me, yeah.

Yeah, that's awesome.

That's great.
Well, thanks again, becky, forbeing on the show.
Really appreciate it.
Thank you, and thanks, trevor,for hanging out and being my
co-host Anytime Scott, it was apleasure.
So, anyone watching, go checkout Becky's book if you're
interested in that.
And thanks for tuning in.

(01:08:31):
If you know somebody that couldbenefit from becky's story, go
hit that share button, do yourfive second missionary work and
if you know someone that has astory, tell them to go to
latterdaylightscom and let'shave them on the show.
Well, thanks again, thank you,and we will talk to you next
week with another story.

(01:08:52):
Until then, take care, bye-bye.

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