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Scott Brandley (00:00):
Hey everyone,
I'm Scott Brandley.
Alisha Coakley (00:02):
And I'm Alisha
Coakley.
Every member of the church hasa story to share, one that can
instill faith, invite growth andinspire others.
Scott Brandley (00:10):
On today's
episode we're going to hear how
one podcaster and life coach haslearned through years of being
single that there's more thanone way to multiply and
replenish the earth.
Welcome to Latter-day Lights.
Hey everyone, welcome back toanother episode of Latter-day
(00:37):
Lights.
We're so glad you're here withus today.
We're really excited tointroduce our special guest,
sharon Lamar, to the show.
Welcome, sharon.
Sharon Lamar (00:44):
Hello Scott and
Alisha.
Sorry about that, I'm so happyto be here.
Alisha Coakley (00:50):
I always tell
everyone.
My husband called me Ashley onour first date Well, not even
our first date like our firstphone calls and I've forgiven
him, so it's cool, okay, soyou'll forgive me Absolutely.
It might require you buying medinner, but I mean, you know.
Sharon Lamar (01:08):
I'm happy to do
that.
Alisha Coakley (01:14):
Well, Sharon,
welcome to the show.
I mean, I'm sure Lamar isprobably a pretty common name.
I used to work for a companycalled Lamar Advertising.
Do you guys do anything withbillboards in your family?
Sharon Lamar (01:28):
We don't, but I
know I've seen the billboards
and I think, oh man, maybe wecould tap into that you know,
but no, do that.
Alisha Coakley (01:36):
Do some family
history, find a link.
Well, you don't do advertising,but, sharon, why don't you tell
us a little bit about yourself?
What do you do?
Sharon Lamar (01:48):
Sure.
Thank you, Alisha.
I am like she said, my name isSharon Lamar and currently the
two I think the two things thatI do most is well, I'm a life
coach and also a podcast host,and I take care of my husband
and we love to travel and ourpassion is national parks and we
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just chase the check marks of,yeah, national parks and lots
and lots of hiking.
That's what we do, and we liveabout 45 minutes west of St
Louis and have a property ofabout 33 acres and a lot of
people ask what do we grow orwhat animals do we have?
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And I say none, we just have ahouse like everybody else, just
a really big yard.
So that's the way I explain it.
So that's a little bit aboutthat.
Alisha Coakley (02:43):
Or is it like
natural?
Sharon Lamar (02:47):
Well, you know, we
have some of it that is grown
in hay, that a farmer, neighbor,a neighbor farmer does hay on
about 17 acres, probably about15 more, or maybe 10 more, just
straight woods, and then therest, yes, we mow.
So mowing is a big deal andit's kind of an all day affair.
I can imagine, yeah, but it'sfun.
Alisha Coakley (03:11):
Yeah, that's
cool.
Yeah, I don't know why.
In my mind, st Louis just feelslike big city.
So the fact that you have 93acres somewhere around there,
yeah, I'm like yeah, we're in asmaller kind of rural community.
Sharon Lamar (03:27):
If you're kind of,
if you're familiar with, like
Cache Valley, utah kind ofsituation with about that size,
the surrounding communities,including our, reminds me a lot
of Cache Valley, some of the bigfarms and rolling hills not
mountains, you know, becausewe're in the Midwest but that
type of yeah, that's cool it'sfun, completely different from
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growing up in Las Vegas.
Alisha Coakley (03:55):
So Okay, like in
Las Vegas or outside, like
right outside of it that soundbut like right outside of it In.
Sharon Lamar (04:08):
Yeah, when I was
seven my family moved from
Vernal Utah to Las Vegas, and soI spent age seven to 52 when I
got married right there in LasVegas.
I mean not growing up on thestreet or anything you know, but
growing up in Vegas.
Alisha Coakley (04:21):
That's funny.
Well, I'm very cool.
I have some friends who liveout there and they love it, and
I've only been once and it wassuper fun.
Scott Brandley (04:29):
So yeah, yeah
unless you go in the middle of
summer, then it's not so fun itis really hot there, right now
stay in the air conditioning.
That's it, you just have to goinside all the shows and all the
fun stuff.
Alisha Coakley (04:43):
Yeah, very cool,
all right.
Well, miss sharon, we are verymuch looking forward to hearing
your story today.
Um, scott and I were talking alittle bit before we clicked
record.
I don't think that we've had aguest who's really talked about
quite this, and so I love youknow something that hasn't been
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brought up before, but we won'tjump too much into it.
We're going to let you do that.
So why don't you go ahead andtell us where your story begins?
Sharon Lamar (05:14):
Okay, well, my
story begins, I'm going to say,
probably, I think for most womenin the church, we kind of do
the math and we think maybe age20, 22, something is where the
formula that maybe we weretaught in young women's is
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supposed to like start coming tofruition.
And when it doesn't so myjourney, my story as a single
LDS woman, I'm going to say,began around age 20 to 22,
somewhere in there, and Iremained single until I was 52,
which is a long time when youthink about coming out of Young
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Women's and kind of that formulaof what I believe I was taught
by well-intentioned youngwomen's leaders and, I think,
the culture I would say maybe ofhow life is supposed to be
inside the church and just forwomen inside the church.
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And so my story, Alisha andScott, I feel is not just my
story.
It is a quiet story but as astory that, um, I really feel
strongly that many, many LDSwomen currently single or had
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been at one time for a lengthyperiod of time.
It's their story as well and webegin learning right when we're
in primary.
I was born and raised in thechurch and I always was what I
call actively engaged in thegospel of Jesus Christ, and we
sing beautiful songs in primary,including I Am a Child of God.
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And right there we began havingpainted the picture of parents
kind and dear.
So that tells us, well, we'regoing to get married and we're
going to have babies and we'regoing to be those parents as
well.
And then we get into youngwomen's and it seems that and
what I don't want to do, Alishaand Scott, is to come across as
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complaining or whiny or woe isme or any kind of any of that,
because that's not what my storyincludes.
It's not about that.
It's about just about what myexperience was.
What I felt was what I learned,what I was told and was that
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there's a way that it's allsupposed to work out.
We remain good girls, wegraduate from high school and we
go to college, preferably dot,dot, dot in parentheses, without
anybody really really saying it.
But we go to BYU and we meet areturn missionary and we get
sealed in the temple and we havebabies and we live happily ever
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after, and that's how life issupposed to go.
Scott Brandley (08:13):
Right.
Sharon Lamar (08:13):
And I don't
remember right.
I don't remember really anyonesaying what happens if it
doesn't?
What happens if that doesn'thappen?
And then also, what if it neverhappens?
Then what does all of that mean?
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Is there something wrong withwhat I was taught?
Is there something wrong withme?
And I think that that's wheremyself I certainly went.
There is what's.
There must be something wrongwith me.
Either I've done something wrongor there's something
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fundamentally wrong with me thatis precluding that narrative
from playing out.
Is it because I didn't go toBYU?
You know, you kind of thinkmaybe it hinges all on just one
little thing and we kind of spinout on that, and then if we
don't think it's something thatwe've done, then oh, then it
must be something wrong with meSomehow.
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For some reason, god is passingme by and I never really talked
to anybody about that, I neversaid that much out loud, and I
don't think that women do noweither.
But we sit quietly and reallysociety, and we hear our
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beautiful sister sitting rightnext to us, who is a mom and who
does have babies and is livingwhat we consider to be the
happily ever after story, andshe may make a comment,
something about how motherhoodis the best thing ever, is the
best thing ever a woman could do.
And then the single sister sitsthere thinking, ah, there
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really is something wrong withme, because if that's the best
thing ever and God didn't giveit to me, then that must mean
there's something wrong with me.
And so that's kind of the story,and that kind of silent,
holding pain of that kind ofnarrative that swirls around in
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the back of our brain, thatwe're often not even conscious
that it's happening.
That swirls around in the backof our brain, that we're often
not even conscious that it'shappening, that we then become
really kind of, sometimesgetting harder and hardened more
in our heart about.
But that really is we.
I call it the awful thought wetake on this thought, this awful
thought that we all have oneand one of them can be I'm'm not
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good enough or something wrongwith me, you know.
And um, so in telling my storytoday, I know that not every
person listening to this show isa single LDS woman.
I totally get this, but I'm ahundred percent positive that
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everybody listening to this showtoday is either a single LDS
woman or knows one, and theycare about that single LDS woman
and they love her, and so itmatters regardless, I think.
Alisha Coakley (11:24):
And this could
apply to guys too, like I know
it's not quite the same stigma,but I think even guys like
they're told the same thing thatyou need to get married in the
temple and you need to have afamily in order to be a
righteous priesthood holder,that's head of your household,
and things like that.
I don't know if it weighs onthem quite as much as it does
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women, but I'm sure that thereprobably are some that it does.
Sharon Lamar (11:53):
Yeah, yeah, I
appreciate you saying that, and
I don't know that either,because I'm not one of them.
I have no idea.
But I also know that, male orfemale, even if it's not just
the disappointment, I'll call itor maybe the unfulfilled
expectation of what I thought mylife was going to be like, even
if it's not singleness, thereis something that everybody has
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that they then wonder I've donesomething wrong or there's
something wrong with me or God'spassing me by?
And I think that, yeah,regardless, everybody can
identify with something likethat.
That is scary and disappointingand makes you wonder about your
worth, because it doesn't.
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It's not showing up the way theworld taught me how it should
show up, you know.
And so I've learned some lessons, but I learned them the way we
often learn lessons.
I learned them looking in therearview mirror.
I learned them as theycrystallized over time, and I
think that that's.
I think that's on purpose.
I think that that's how Godteaches us.
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He's never in a hurry, you knowwe always are, but he isn't.
Yeah, he's like oh, sweetheart,we've got lots of time for you
to figure this all out, and it'sgoing to take a bit of time for
it to crystallize, and that'sokay, right, it's okay, but we
want it now, dang it.
You know, and I I just thinkabout.
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It's not just church that Ilearned those lessons, but just
even my sweet mother readingfairy tales to moms read fairy
tales to their little girls, andwe're reading about princesses
and we're learning that what wecan take away is I'm supposed to
be pretty and I'm supposed tokind of keep quiet and in some
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cases I actually go into a coma.
You know, you think about sweetSnow White.
You know she doesn't get saveduntil she's in a coma for all
intense purposes, you know, oreven, um, what's the other one,
sleeping Beauty?
So we learn those things andthen somewhere then along comes
the knight in shining armor, andthen that's when my life begins
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.
Until then it was terrible.
It was.
It was, you know, hard andpeople were chasing me and
people didn't like me and anevil stepmother and you had to
support people with little, tinypeople and you know this is
scary.
And then you graduate off ofthat.
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Then you have the adult versionof the fairy tale, which is all
of the romantic comedies thatwe love to watch, but they're
basically kind of an adultversion of a fairy tale.
But somewhere along the way, inorder to be happy and fulfilled
, I need to get married and Ineed to have babies, and when
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that really doesn't happen, thatcan be quite painful.
I mean, like I talked about, Igot married when I was 52.
I, when you do the, you knowtime ticking math, you know.
Then time has passed.
I'm not going to havebiological children of my own,
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but I so.
I was single for a long, longtime and during those years I
learned lessons, like I saidearlier.
That, though, didn'tcrystallized until after the
fact, but Heavenly Father wasrelentless in that he kept
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through the Holy Ghost,whispering to me that I am a
daughter of God and I was ofworth.
And it didn't matter.
The outside sources that I wasthinking was going to tell me
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that you know the marriage and,and you know, getting sealed in
the temple could tell me that Imatter, that I'm chosen, that
I'm of worth.
Isn't the ultimate in knowingthat it is knowing that I'm a
daughter of God?
If that makes sense, it's easyto believe that I matter and I'm
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worth.
If I'm chosen and get marriedand that formula plays out in my
life, that's easy to feelchosen and of worth and it's
more difficult when that's notthe case.
And I kind of learned thatalong the way and I thought,
okay, I knew enough through.
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There was enough clarity in mybrain that I thought, well, dang
, this can't be it.
I can't just sit around andpine for something that isn't
mine.
Yet you know you do all you can, but then you also don't want
to look needy and creepy anddesperate.
You know you create a life, youcreate a life and you think,
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well, I came to the realizationthat, yes, I didn't want to get
married, but I wanted it to bethe cherry on the top of my life
, not my life, if that makessense.
I wanted to have a full lifeand I knew that.
The way I talk to clients now asa life coach to single women
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that I coach is I like to thinkabout our life as like our
freezer, our fridge and ourpantry.
And every experience that we'vehad, every hardship that we've
had, is in that pantry.
Every talent that HeavenlyFather gave us, every trial and
weakness that he gave us,everything that we skill, that
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we have learned throughout ourlife, is in that pantry, that
freezer, in that fridge.
All of those things are thereand then it's up to us to say,
okay, here's the ingredients ofmy life thus far.
What can I make with this?
And that's kind of withoutknowing it at the time.
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But that's kind of where I cameto was okay, so I'm not married
, what?
But here's all the other pieces.
Being single is just one thingabout me, but it doesn't tell
the whole story.
So what do I do with the restof the stuff in the fridge or
the fridge in the pantry?
And so I traveled a lot withgreat single friends.
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We always did super fun tripstogether and I poured my.
I looked in that pantry and Isaid how can I use what's in
there in my pantry, fridge andfreezer to help in my employment
?
And so through that I createdan awesome career in corporate
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that I had for 25 years untilHeavenly Father, kind of like,
nudged me and said this is thelast year you're going to be
doing this.
Kind of like nudged me and saidthis is the last year you're
going to be doing this.
And I online dated and I met myhusband, who lived where I
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currently live.
So, however many states awayfrom Nevada, missouri is and you
know I'm the I'm the gal thatused to make fun of Missouri.
You know it was called.
No, it's really misery.
I mean, we know those, but youknow those.
You know pioneer stories aboutMissouri, that's not good and
met him and and long distancedated for a year and got married
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and moved and I thought, okay,well, this is interesting.
I'm 52.
And I'm a newlywed.
This is, this is kind of aninteresting ride.
And my husband had been marriedtwice before, so I was number
three and, as my sweet deceasedfather-in-law announced one day
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at a family event that I was, ofall of Fred's wives like there
was a hundred of them, but therewas only two before me of all
of Fred's wife, I was thesuperior one.
And so I thought, yay me.
So it's just kind of a littleinside family thing that, of
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course, you know, is just verytightly held to just a few of us
that heard that him say that.
But at any rate, so I gotmarried and I thought, okay,
well, now, now I'm right, I I'm,I've hit it, I'm of worth, I
have checked the box.
This is happily ever after.
And, um, then I I thought I hadeverything we had.
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Just we had moved to thisproperty that we're living on,
we had just renovated the movedto this property that we're
living on.
We had just renovated the housethat we live in, which is 120
year old farmhouse, and wegutted it and made it beautiful
and ours and new, and I'mthinking I got everything.
And it wasn't a month after wehad moved in that I fell into a
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depression.
I didn't know what it was.
I'd never experienced thatbefore and I was serving as
stake release society presidentat the time and I really it was
as if someone just flicked thelight switch and it was off and
I was in darkness and I didn'tagain.
I didn't know what it was andit sounds odd, but I'm grateful
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Because it was almost like itwas.
It allowed me to be humble in away that I hadn't maybe been
before and to see, even in thedarkness, see things different,
to begin learning some lessonsthat were different that I now
hold dear, and I want everysingle LDS woman to learn the
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same lessons that I learned.
They begin to crystallize inthat.
Oddly enough, in that darknessand through a series of events,
that's how I became wasintroduced to life coaching.
I'd always been involved in,interested in and taught in my
corporate career, self-help andleadership development and all
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that kind of stuff, but it kindof crystallized into really
understanding how this lifeworks.
And I was introduced to mymentor and teacher, brooke
Castillo, and she helped me tosee that there was a different
way of thinking about how thislife works.
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And then I realized, hey, shedidn't invent this, this is
Heavenly Father's plan, you know.
This is how this humanexperience works.
Stuff happens.
We make it mean something andwe feel feelings and we act out
on that and we create theresults that we have in our
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lives.
And one of the lessons that Ireally learned in this whole
journey I'm backing up just atad is, in part, of that
learning from Brooke and reallyunderstanding that it was the
plan of salvation and it'sHeavenly Father's plan is
nothing's gone wrong In all ofthe hard stuff.
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Nothing's gone wrong andthere's nothing wrong with me
and this is the way it'ssupposed to be.
We're just.
We just got a little confusedthat it was supposed to be
happily ever after all the time.
We're just a little confused.
We think it's supposed to begarden of Eden, like when, no,
no, no, no, no, my darlings,that's not what this life is
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about, you know, and we're justa little bit confused.
And when we're confused that'swhen it starts to feel really
icky and scary.
But then when we go, oh no, waita minute, this is how it's
supposed to go.
I'm supposed to be stretched,I'm supposed to be challenged,
I'm supposed to grow and developand learn and to help others
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along the way.
Now I get it, now I see clearly, and it's way less scary and
way less painful.
And that was one of the lessonsthat I learned.
But again it didn't come until,you know, kind of crystallized.
It was kind of there, but it'salmost like Heavenly Fathers,
through the Holy Ghost, is kindof whispering it, you know, and
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doing the little nudges andsometimes they do that little
cough make you say sharon, hello, here's the real message, and
we miss it until sometimes wesee it, a different voice says
it, and then we go oh, there itis, there it is.
And so that's one of the thingsthat I learned in my again I'm
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repeating myself but in thatcrystallization when you look
back, because again, heavenlyFather's not in a hurry, and I
think part of it too, Alisha andScott, is that when we
experience it like that, when welook back, and it takes some
time for us to learn that lesson.
Then it becomes more solidifiedinside of us and then we can
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help someone else with that samekind of struggle.
If it's too easy and comes toofast, I don't think that we're
in a position to do that.
I don't think that we reallyhave that foundation, if that
makes sense.
Yeah, yeah, I agree, I learnedto do that.
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Like I said, I was alwaysactively living the gospel of
Jesus Christ.
Living the gospel of JesusChrist I didn't think about it
this way until deeper into mysingle years is that Heavenly
Father is not only my Father inheaven.
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He is my collaborative partnerin my life and he's not a
taskmaster.
He doesn't not love me, he'snot holding out on me.
He's waiting for me tocollaborate with him and to see
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all of those things in my pantryand come to him and say here's
what I think I can make of thisand him saying good idea, or
let's wiggle it around a littlebit, you know, and it does.
It is a journey.
Is what do I make out of this?
And, um, I really love thatlesson that I've learned that
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he's not just our father inheaven, but he can be a
collaborative partner, and Ithink for single women and again
for anybody that is feelingthat disappointed because things
aren't the way they thought itwas going to be.
But again in this narrative, Ithink for single women having a
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collaborative partner becausethere isn't the husband in the
ideal situation with the idealman, you still do have that
collaborative partnership withHeavenly Father.
And I forget who gave the talkin General Conference once.
I think it was in an Enzymeback in the Enzyme days, leah
Hona article.
I think it was in an Enzymeback in the Enzyme days, leah
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Hona article.
And it was a single guy thatprayed and was like Heavenly
Father, like why am I notmarried?
And the lesson that he learnedwas that Heavenly Father and the
Holy Ghost will just give youone little thing.
He's not going to just likeslam you on all the things.
But the message he got clearwas stop cussing.
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And it was just that littlenudge, just that little
collaboration, you know.
And one young woman asked youknow what about me?
And he said the message she gotwas make your bed.
And you think, what does thathave to do with anything, you
know?
And again, it's just thatlittle peel of the onion.
You think what does that haveto do with anything?
And again, it's just thatlittle peel of the onion.
Is really what?
That collaboration?
Because again, heavenlyFather's not in a hurry, it's
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going to take some time andallowing ourselves.
I think too, part of the reasonthat Suffereth Long is the first
attribute of charity which saiddifferently is patience.
I think there's a reason.
That's the first one, becauseit takes patience on both ends.
Heavenly Father is definitelygoing.
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Patience.
You know he is waiting for usand he's patiently waiting.
And then we have to be patientwith ourselves and also patient
with Him.
I think that that's I've cometo realize.
I think that that is one reasonthat it's the first attribute
of all the attributes of charity.
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Eventually, the lights went backon as I continued to actively
live the gospel of Jesus Christ.
I kept fulfilling my calling asStake Relief Society president.
I kept Christ.
I kept fulfilling my calling asStake Release Society president
.
I kept praying, I kept readingmy scriptures.
The only thing that I regretthat I didn't do and I think
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it's part of that silentnarrative is I didn't tell
anybody.
I didn't tell my husband, Ididn't tell the women I was
serving with.
I didn't tell the women I wasserving with.
I didn't tell anybody, and Ithink that that kind of is
twofold.
I think that that is Satan, andI also think it is the
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narrative of there's somethingwrong with me and who wants to
say to someone I think there'ssomething wrong with me, say it
out loud.
And so I think that that waspart of it.
But I was led to and introducedto Brooke and introduced to her
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teachings about this humanexperience which, as I said
earlier, was really HeavenlyFather's plan of salvation.
She didn't know it, but I know,even without saying that I
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thought something was wrong withme and without ever having met
Brooke, she knew and she knewhow to help me because of her
own work and her own story thatbrought about what she taught
her students and coached thewomen that she coached.
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And that is what inspired me,because it helped me so much
that I decided after thatdepression so it was just five
years ago that I said, ah, now Isee, here's my pantry, fridge
and freezer.
Now I see what I can make withthis.
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And so I dove in to learneverything I could from Brooke.
But simultaneously I dove deeperinto the scriptures than I ever
had in my life and began toreally studying things, like you
know, the very firstcommandment that Adam, or that
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Heavenly Father gave Adam andEve to be fruitful, multiply and
replenish and to look at it andbe willing to look at it and
say, ok.
So on its face, we all thinkthat that means let's have
babies and populate the world,but I think one of the lessons
I've learned I don't think Iknow is to continue to ask the
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question what else?
What else could that mean?
What else is there for me?
And so that was something thatI learned in collaboration with
Heavenly Father, when I reallysaw that he was not just my
father in heaven, but he was mycollaborator, partner, and
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sometimes, always, they pull insomebody else.
That's a human that we see.
Oh, we go, go.
Ah, there it is.
Because every ghost whispers,he doesn't yell.
So sometimes we need somebodywho says it a little bit louder
that we trust.
And then we get it we go.
Oh, there you go, there we go.
And so I learned that beingsingle or whatever it is well,
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let's just stick with that.
Being single is nothing morethan just a statistic about me.
It's my marital status, that'sall it is.
It told people at that timethat I was single, that that was
it, that I was single.
It didn't tell them howeverything else that was in my
pantry, fridge and freezer itdidn't tell them anything about
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that.
It just told them that I was aparty of one at dinner, you know
, there was no plus two or plusone kind of thing.
It was a party of one and itdidn't mean I was less than or
that I was somehow broken oranything else.
And that's one thing that Ireally hope that if those single
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women that are listening, orthe single women that will
listen, because someone elselistening knows them and loves
them and says, hey, give alisten.
That they come to understandthat and I know that that can
seem shocking or never heardthat before Like, wait a minute,
that's all it means is just mymarital status, yes, that's all
it means.
And it's not how many babiesyou have or whether or not my
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kids are on the straight andnarrow, or what house I live in
or anything else.
That's all outside stuff thatis easy to believe our worth.
But it's so fleeting and it'sso fluid, and the steady one is
the one that comes from HeavenlyFather and comes from your own
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knowledge about who you are andthe belief of who you are, and
that only comes fromunderstanding.
There is nothing wrong here.
Nothing's gone wrong.
You're not broken.
You're a daughter of God andyou're living a human experience
, and this is the way it'ssupposed to be.
And I love you, says HeavenlyFather, and I will help you and
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all these other people that areout here doing the same thing as
you.
They're there to help you too.
Now look in your fridge and inyour freezer and in your pantry.
What are you going to do tohelp all the people as well?
And that's a lesson that Ilearned.
It's just kind of funny as I'mthinking about it right now.
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Guess what?
My darling it's not all aboutyou.
There's every other person onthis planet that has been or
will be that.
It's about them as well.
And I would say, lastly, Iwould say that I learned
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self-confidence not in the waythat we think of self-confidence
as arrogance or anything butself-confidence.
The way I was taught and howI've come to believe that really
what it is, believe that reallywhat it is and it is.
It's not knowing what's coming,but it's knowing it's not
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knowing everything.
That Heavenly Father not that hemakes things happen.
I don't subscribe to thepredestined type of thing that
we're just pawns on a chessboard, right, or yeah, we're not
pawns on a chess board.
We have, we're collaboratorswith Heavenly Father and that
agency is there.
But we also know that he cansee the beginning from the end,
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which is quite mind bendy andfascinating to really kind of
noodle around.
But I know that because I am adaughter of God, I have divine
DNA, which means when I thinkabout the whole natural man
thing as an enemy to God, it'swhen we think about life, in
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that it's the outside worldthat's going to bring me my
worth, world that's going tobring me my worth.
That's.
And we fall prey to the easytemptations and binging and
whatever else it is that keepsus distant from God.
It's when we tap into thatdivine DNA of really knowing who
we are.
I mean really knowing,believing in Heavenly Father and
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Jesus Christ, but alsobelieving them.
When they say you're mydaughter, you're my son, when
they say that, they don't meaneverybody else except you.
They mean you.
You are my daughter, you are myson.
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So that self-confidence is theway I teach it to the women who
work with me is your ability tofeel any feeling that comes
along and Heavenly Father gaveus, like I'm going to say, 3,000
plus feelings were part of thatcreation of our spiritual being
and that we can feel any ofthem, and he wants us to.
It's not just let me stay inthe middle here and be happy.
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Let me experience the range ofhumanity, let me feel it all.
You know, we learn that whereyou know there's an opposition
and all things, you can't knowthose sweet without those, you
know the sour, all that kind ofstuff.
Same thing and that's one ofthem is to be able to feel any
emotion and to know it's goingto be just fine.
Heavenly Father's there,created those emotions and those
feelings and you're going to bejust fine, they're not going to
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kill you, it's just a feeling,and let's feel them.
And then also to know that I cantrust myself and trust my
choices because of mycollaborative effort with
Heavenly Father.
He is guiding me, he isdirecting me, not telling me
what to do, but giving me somereally good counsel and helping
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me see things I didn't seebefore.
That I then can trust mychoices and trust myself.
And then, lastly, is to knowthat I'm of worth.
To when I wonder about that, toturn back to what I began
learning in primary and thenlearned as I crystallized things
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that I am a daughter of God, Iam of worth.
He loves me.
It doesn't matter my maritalstatus, I matter just as much as
the next woman sitting in earlysociety with 10 kids and the
perfect husband who's a bishop.
It doesn't matter.
We're all on equal plane, and Ithink that's what I hope most
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that the women hear.
And then I lied.
There is one last thing, if Imay.
I think the answer to anyquestion or any problem, and we
learn it from the Savior when hetaught the first and second
great commandment to love God,to love your neighbor and to
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love yourself.
We sometimes miss that partabout love yourself and you know
how everything hinges on.
That is love, and I have cometo learn through my experience
that anytime I have a questionlike what am I supposed to do
next?
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The answer comes right thereit's love.
What am I supposed to do next?
The answer comes right thereit's love.
What am I supposed to do next?
Whatever, it is love.
What am I supposed to do tostrengthen this relationship?
Love how do I help someone else?
Love it always comes back tothat and it comes back to that
for ourselves, and I think thatthat's unfortunately something
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that we often forget, that wethink that love has to be an
outside job, but absolutely isan inside job.
And so my whole single journeykind of crystallized into those
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lessons that brought me to whereI am.
As I looked in that pantry andthat freezer and that
refrigerator and I collaboratedwith Heavenly Father what am I
supposed to do?
And the first thing was learnwhat Brooke taught you, learn
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what you found when you foundBrooke.
And then he started nudging meand saying hello, I want you to
start a podcast, and I didn'thave any idea how to do that,
but then, like he always does.
He gives you the person thathelps you to do it and then you
do it and um, then I always knewI always knew Alisha and scott
(41:53):
that I wanted because of mypantry fridge and freezer,
because of my pantry fridge andfreezer my audience would be
single LDS women, because I wasone of them for so long and
still in my heart I am one ofthem and, be they never married
or divorced or widowed, whateverit is that I want them to know
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and understand.
What I know and understand andyeah, that's my story and the
things I learned.
Alisha Coakley (42:31):
So I have a
question, because I love the
lessons that you were sharingwith us today, but I really
liked how, at the beginning, youhad said whether you are a
single LDS woman.
Beginning, you had said youknow whether you are a single
LDS woman or you know and carefor someone.
Like there's going to besomething there that we can take
away from this.
So my question to you is duringyour time when you were single,
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were there things that weresaid by other women that that
kind of just just hurt that youknow what I mean?
Like whether they intentionallymeant it or not.
Like how do we be better?
I guess is really my questionright?
Like, what are some things thatwe can say differently so that
we can be true to ourselves andhonest about our feelings, about
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you know how wonderfulmotherhood is or whatever else,
but at the same time, be, youknow, kind and loving towards
people who don't have that ormay never have that or don't
have it anymore for whateverreason.
Sharon Lamar (43:29):
Yeah, yeah, you
know, and I don't think.
I don't think when anybody saysanything in Relay Society
they're intentionally trying tobe hurtful or anybody does any
of that kind of thing.
I I'll.
I'll give you a brief story asan example where somebody really
said something that had it beenpre my crystallizing everything
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, I would have been hurt and Iwould have carried that
interaction around in my brainand it rattled me for a long
time, probably forever.
But now I look at it and I'mfascinated.
Um one of the I to answer yourquestion just really quick
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before I tell that littlesituation is Alisha?
I don't think is Alisha, Idon't think again, I think that
nobody does it on purpose andoften you know like, like to sit
down and have a lesson with allthe married people.
Here's what you do when youdon't say to a single person, I
think is just really not goingto help happen.
(44:36):
You know what I mean Becausethey're thinking what are you
talking about?
Know what I mean Becausethey're thinking what are you
talking about?
But it's more to the singlewoman.
How do I respond to that?
What do I make that mean?
This woman said this in arelease society.
What do I make that mean aboutme.
That's where the power is forthe single sister.
I can't change them, but I canchange my thoughts.
But as an example, one timethat it really kind of could
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have spun me, but it didn't,because I was fascinated by it,
because I already knew what Iknew.
There was one of my dear friends.
Her daughter-in-law wasvisiting and she comes every
summer and so I know her to adegree because she comes every
summer.
So all these years I've knownher in and out of.
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She's come for summer to seeher mother-in-law.
And one day we were out in thefoyer after church and this one
let's just call her Mary, that'snot her name, but let's say
Mary Mary comes up to me.
We're just chit-chatting, youknow how you do standing out
there waiting for whoever yourpeople are to get in the car and
go home and have Sunday dinner.
And Mary says to me so younever had kids of your own.
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And I said no, I never did.
And she said, man, there isnothing more than I wanted than
to have kids.
And she is, she's married andhas two beautiful children.
Nothing more than I ever wantedto have kids.
I would have done anything,anything to have babies.
I mean, did you ever just thinkabout like adopting and just
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you know, just do it on your own?
And I remember saying no, thatreally never occurred to me
because I knew that if I wasgoing to have children I was
going to have it.
It's going to have childrenwith the man I wanted to have
these, you know, set up for thebest success possible than just
doing it by myself.
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And she just kind of kept goingon and on about how she just
could not have done it that way.
She just there's no way thatshe wouldn't have done
everything to have children.
And I remember just thinkingthis is so fascinating she is
way more upset about me nothaving kids than I am, you know,
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and it's not that I didn't wantthem, but it was just it's
fascinating how it seems thatthey're more concerned that the
narrative didn't play out thanI'm concerned about the
narrative didn't play out, andso I don't know if that answers
your question, but it's justkind of curious how fascinated
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some people are about that.
I remember meeting my husband'syoungest daughter.
She got married and had herfirst baby at 20.
And I remember when I first mether, when I came to St Louis to
visit my husband and we weredating long distance, like I
said, and we were sitting at atable.
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She had her little boy with herat the time, her first child,
and she was pregnant with numbertwo.
And my husband and her husbandhad gone off to get food or some
I don't know buffet type thingor whatever.
And I remember her saying to meso you never had kids of your
own?
Like I just can't imagine.
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This is the most wonderfulthing ever.
I mean, like how did you neverhave kids?
And I remember thinking this isso fascinating.
I thought to myself, I said,well, I'm 52.
And you know, I lived at thegospel, so I didn't have sex
outside of marriage.
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Therefore, we can do the math.
Therefore no babies.
But it's just interesting howfascinated people are when what
we all have thought is thehappily ever after isn't
occurring and it kind of is alittle disturbing and I think
maybe it's because it kind ofrocks their boat a little bit
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Like wait a minute.
Maybe it isn't as solid asmaybe I thought, maybe it is a
little bit more fluid, thiswhole human experience and it
isn't all mapped out thatthere's lots of ways that people
are doing this thing that wecall the plan of salvation.
It's the same plan foreverybody, but everybody's story
is different.
Their path is different, butit's the same plan for everybody
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.
But everybody's story isdifferent.
Their path is different, butit's the same plan.
We just have different storiesthat we're telling and it
doesn't mean anything's gonewrong, right.
Alisha Coakley (49:15):
Well, I really
like that you kind of put the
responsibility back on theperson, cause I'm I've always
been a big believer that, likethat you don't get offended,
right.
Like like the other peopledon't offend you, but you choose
to be offended type of thing,right, and like other people,
don't hurt your feelings.
You choose to let your feelingsbe hurt, and I know that
there's to a certain degree.
Like you feel what you feel,right, like.
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There are times when, like thefeeling just comes and you're
like, oh, but it's, it's not somuch about what you feel you
feel, it's like you dwell onwhat you dwell on, you assign to
what you feel.
You're the one that decides isthis going to be a big deal or a
small deal?
Just like how you're like, wow,she's more upset about me not
having kids than I was.
It's just fascinating.
(49:57):
So I love that you said that.
I love that you kind of liketurned it back around.
I'm like no, like it's notreally about us trying to walk
on eggshells and appeaseeverybody.
It's more about usinternalizing like, okay, how
are we going to choose to takewhat's being said or not being
said, or the lessons are beingtaught?
It's like, just like with theDisney princesses and all that
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kind of stuff, right, likeyou're absolutely right, like we
can look at them and be likethere's they talk about
Stockholm syndrome with beautyand the beast and just be quiet
with beauty and and you know youhave to be beautiful.
Like you don't.
You don't get the guy until youhave the transformation like
Cinderella, right and like so Ican see how, yes, there are
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people that definitely couldlike you could focus on you know
, whatever it is that you wantto focus on.
But also I've always looked atit like with I mean, I'm, I love
princesses, I do too.
I'm like, wow, like they're sotalented, like look at all the
things they can do and andthey're always nice.
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And like you never see a Disneyprincess who in the end, is
like shunning her family and youknow, like better than you and
whatever else, Like it's always.
It's always like she's.
She shows love and compassionand you know she's not afraid to
wander in the woods by herselfand she's not afraid to go to
the ball by herself, and she'snot afraid to wander in the
woods by herself and she's notafraid to go to the ball by
herself and she's not afraid totry on a whole new wardrobe.
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So you can look at it any wayyou want to, but I love that you
can turn it back.
Sharon Lamar (51:28):
So that was just
yeah, I appreciate that.
Yeah.
And having said all of that andI totally agree, 100% doesn't
make it easy right.
No, 100% Doesn't make it easyright.
We still are human beings andwe still are feeling that
disappointment or that shame orguilt or whatever it is, and
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those are uncomfortable and butit's still part of the human
experience.
Part of what gets tucked awayin the fridge freezer and pantry
is the ability to do that andstill move forward, still not
lose faith, still remember yourdivine DNA and keep on loving
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them, even when they're wrongabout you.
Keep on loving them my, I have.
Scott Brandley (52:26):
My question is
more about the internal battle
that you've, that you and otheruh, single women and even men
have probably had, where I'msure there's been times where
you've had felt bitterness orfrustration.
How do you balance that withwith faith and just being
willing to submit to God's plan?
Sharon Lamar (52:54):
Well, I don't know
that there really is a balance.
Like you're on a here inMissouri, the roads are very
undulating, it's very up anddown, there's no mountains but
there's lots of hills, and it isnot about trying to balance,
(53:15):
but it's just about riding it.
And there are times when, likewe we were talking a moment ago
about really allowing yourselfto just it's okay to be mad
about it, it's okay to bedisappointed about it, it's okay
to be, um, I'm, I really thinkthis stinks right now and I
(53:35):
don't like it, heavenly Father.
And, um, I certainly did that,and I'm sure there were times
when I knelt down to pray thathe's like, oh my gosh, sure, but
then you know, you have,everybody has those moments and
I I'm sure that he's veryaccustomed to that, and but then
(53:59):
I kept.
I just kept going back, scott,to what I knew.
I kept going back to what I hadbeen taught, how I had always
lived actively involved, and Icame to cherish, oddly enough,
general Conference in a way thatI would pray before and say,
(54:22):
okay, I know that these men andthese women have prepared their
talks and their talks areanswers to problems and prayers
of people they have met all overthe world and somewhere nestled
in there is my answer.
Because somebody else, i'm'msure, is having my problem.
And so I would go into generalconference with my little
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notebook and I would listen tothe talks and my question at the
end of each talk was okay, whatwas the answer?
What was the question that talkwas about and what was the
answer?
And I kept finding thosenuggets that I think that kept
me, in collaboration withHeavenly Father, tighter than
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had.
I just succumbed to the pit ofmisery and endless woe.
You know, the woe is me, thepity party, pity party of one,
you know and instead keep comingback, back, just keep coming
back and collaborating, andsometimes you'd sit through a
session and get nothing and thenyou get it when you read it
(55:29):
later, you know again, it's thatwhole patience idea, how my
father's like no, sweetie, I'mnot in a hurry, it's okay,
you'll get there.
So it's just keep riding thatroad, not taking the exit ramp
right.
Scott Brandley (55:43):
So my other
question is so children, right?
Yes, so you got married at 52.
That window is kind of closedfor you, to you to have your own
children yeah I mean, I knowlike I, I know what the typical
church answer is is right.
Like Heavenly Father has a plan, you will have a chance to have
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children.
If it's not in the next, thislife, the next life.
I just want to know yourthoughts on that and how you
kind of came to terms with thatin your, in your journey.
Sharon Lamar (56:22):
That's an
interesting question that I have
noodled about a little bit andI, I, I love let me preface this
with I love president Oaks andI love.
If you really listen to himlately he has said numerous
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times there's a lot we don'tknow there's a lot we don't know
and I think sometimes we thinkwe know based on what we've
pieced together, maybe from anarticle we read or a comment
made in part of someone's talk,and we've extrapolated lots of
(57:03):
things and then we say, oh, whenI die and I've not had kids,
then I'm going to actually givebirth later on.
I don't know, maybe somebody'sgot it more dialed in than I do,
but I don't know that.
That's not something that wejust want to believe.
(57:26):
To be honest with you, I don'tknow how it all works up there,
I don't know.
But I mean I used to kind offantasize if I never got married
, and through no fault of my ownyou remember that one, through
no fault of my own.
Then I show up in heaven and Isay well, heavenly father lines
up all those you know nevermarried Nephite warriors, and
(57:51):
they all look like CaptainMoroni in the blue book of
Mormon picture, and I get topick one.
You know stuff like thatbecause that feels good.
It's not necessarily gospel ordoctrine, but it feels good.
So I'm going to believe that.
So, to answer your question,scott, I don't really go down
that road because I don't knowthat that's true, and so I just
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say there's a lot we don't know,and what I do know is Heavenly
Father loves me and the wholepoint is and this may sound very
radical but the point of thislife is not to get married and
have babies.
That may make some people'seyeballs spin around in their
(58:35):
head, but it's not.
The point is to prepare to meetJesus Christ, to become like
him.
That's the point.
Married or not, 100 kids or not, paraplegic or not, whatever it
is, doesn't matter your age,your ethnicity or anything else
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about you.
That's the point.
That's the purpose of this lifeis to prepare to meet him and
to become like him.
It's not all the other stuff wethink it is.
So I don't to long-windedanswer your question.
I really don't get hung up onthat one because I figure
there's lots of other thingsthat we're going to be doing up
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there.
I have a different picturepainted in my head of what we're
going to be doing than sittingaround eating Milky Ways and
playing the harp and havingbabies.
Alisha Coakley (59:31):
But chocolate
will be there.
That's one of the things I love100%.
Sharon Lamar (59:41):
We must have naps.
Oh, so much.
Scott Brandley (59:46):
I hope that
answered your question, scott
yeah, yeah, that well, and I Ido think that you know we're all
on our own journey.
Everybody's journey looksdifferent, even if you are
married or single or whatever.
Everyone has their journey.
No, no two journeys are thesame.
(01:00:09):
No lessons learned are the same,but, like you said earlier, god
loves all of us the same and hewants, wants the best for us
and I you know you wouldn't beable to do what you're doing now
to help other single women inthe church if you wouldn't have
gone through that part of yourjourney.
Sharon Lamar (01:00:28):
Right.
Scott Brandley (01:00:29):
And.
But, like you said, 30, 30years is a long time to learn a
lesson, right.
Sharon Lamar (01:00:38):
Not quite as long
as the Israelites roaming around
out in the wilderness, butstill a long time Right, but you
didn't know that.
Scott Brandley (01:00:46):
You didn't know
that your life was going to be
like that.
And then you're 52 and you getmarried.
And then now you see, oh Godhad this 30-year-long lesson I
needed to learn personally.
30 year long lesson I needed tolearn personally.
And now that I know it, now Ican help all these other women
that are also going through asimilar experience and I can be
(01:01:10):
that instrument in God's handsto help them go through their
journey.
Sharon Lamar (01:01:16):
Yeah.
It's kind of like as we'regoing, it's kind of like as
we're going through it.
He's you know we're we're bigbelievers in food storage.
You know he's stocking ourfridge and our freezer and our
pantry with all these things.
If we choose to open the doorsand say, ah, now I see now, I
see yeah, I'm sorry, Alisha, Icut you off.
Alisha Coakley (01:01:36):
No, you're good.
I um, I was just saying,forgive me, get a little
emotional, but, um, I was justsaying forgive me, I'm a little
emotional, but I was justthinking about, like in the
temple and stuff like that, whenthey talk about Eve being the
mother of all, and the thoughtthat kind of came to my mind is
it's really easy for us to thinkof motherhood in the stages of
little kids, right, like ushaving babies and toddlers and,
(01:02:06):
you know, five-year-olds andteenagers, and then just kind of
growing, and then we don'treally think too much about
motherhood.
Um, when, you know, when ourmoms are older and, um, sorry,
my mom, um, just passed awaythis this week and and and I'm
thinking about how, at herfuneral you know, we had we had
(01:02:31):
people get up and they, theyshared about how she just, she
just was a mom to everybody.
You know, like she just sheloved you and it didn't matter
if you were an adult or a kid, Imean, she was the neighborhood
kid.
We were when like theneighborhood mom when we were
younger.
But even into that, we we've hadpeople who are in their 40s and
50s who are showing up andtalking about how much of an
(01:02:53):
impact my mom made, as they wereadults, to them and how they
just they loved that and I Ithink it's kind of beautiful in
a sense that you know what, likeeven us, grownups need moms too
, and that's kind of what you'redoing sharing with your life,
coaching and stuff is you arebeing a mom to these adult women
(01:03:16):
who need their mom in some wayshape or form and not to replace
need their mom in some wayshape or form, and not to
replace, but you are fulfillingthat, that role to be a mother
to all.
It just looks a little bitdifferent and and it doesn't
make it any less beautiful orless important, I can tell you.
You know just having lost mymom this past week, it's just so
(01:03:40):
.
It's so weird being like who doI talk to now for two?
Scott Brandley (01:03:43):
hours, you know
what I mean.
Alisha Coakley (01:03:48):
Like who am I
going to call and complain?
Sharon Lamar (01:03:54):
about my husband
and my mother 20 years ago, this
coming December, and so I knowthat that still is there.
I still I understand that andyou know and I think about and I
appreciate your compliment andyour way of thinking about what
(01:04:16):
I'm doing and I I think the sameand I think about women like
Sherry do I think about SharonEubank and Kristen Yee and Mary
Ellen Edmonds and Barbara thelast name has gone out of my
mind I think of all of those Icall them celebrity LDS women
that are single and nevermarried, and how could we
(01:04:39):
possibly think that somethinghas gone wrong in those women's
lives?
How could we think that there'ssomething wrong with them?
And they have multiplied whatthey have shared with humanity
(01:05:02):
and they have replenished theearth with love and wisdom to
women and empowerment andexamples of yes, you may never
get married and it's going to bejust fine, it's going to be
just fine, it's going to be okay.
Heavenly Father's got you.
(01:05:23):
And the whole point is, you canstill do everything of what
this point of life is aboutwithout ever having a baby
shower for you, without everhaving a wedding ring on.
You can still live the point ofthis life, and I think they're
wonderful examples of that, andI just can't imagine that
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Heavenly Father sees themanything less than who they are
and how we see them.
Scott Brandley (01:05:54):
They're
definitely mothers.
I love that.
I love that.
Wow.
Well, this has been awesome.
Sharon, thank you so much foryour thoughts and your insight
and being willing to share thatwith other people.
I think that's reallyinspirational.
I'm sure you do too, Alisha,can you share any final thoughts
(01:06:18):
that you might have about yourexperience and anything you'd
like to share to help those thatare watching?
Sharon Lamar (01:06:29):
I guess.
I guess I've kind of beat thedrum a little bit and I'll beat
it one more time, but the thething I think, if people
listening a single woman or not,is the takeaway is nothing has
gone wrong and there's nothingwrong with you.
(01:06:50):
And I know that that can behard to hear sometimes, like
wait a minute, no, no, no,something is terribly wrong here
.
It has all gone wrong.
This is not what I was told wasgoing to happen, but I promise
nothing has gone wrong.
I, I wish that with every fiberof their being, that they could
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know that that they, their youknow path is just different and
they can still have everythingof what the point of this life
is.
Nothing has gone wrong.
Yeah, that's what I would saywould be, and I would, if I may,
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I would extend an invitation tothe single women that are
listening, or the person who'snot a single woman but knows one
, because everybody does.
Is that they?
I I'd like to, if I may, offertwo ways that they can continue
(01:07:53):
to connect with me and let memother them, to use Alisha words
.
So let me mother them eitherthrough my podcast, which, again
, the title of it is the singleChris or, I'm sorry, the single
LDS woman.
And so easy to find the singleLDS woman and they can also, if
they choose to.
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I over I've been podcasting forthis.
Coming November will be twoyears that I'll been podcasting
my show and I put together athis summer, a summer rewind
playlist of the top five fanfave episodes of my show.
(01:08:35):
And if listeners would like toget a downloadable, click and
play copy of that playlist,because you know, even though
it's summer, we don't stopgrowing and learning and
developing and striving to becloser to Heavenly Father and
everything.
But in my podcast I givepractical tips and tools just to
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help, really for two reasons.
Number one, to help you reallysee that nothing's gone wrong.
You're just confused, you thinksomething's gone wrong, but
it's just a little bit of aconfusion.
So I'm going to help you getunconfused and then also, with
that clarity, teach you what Iknow about self-confidence, so
that you can navigate this LDSsingledom with more clarity
(01:09:16):
instead of confusion.
Singledom with more clarityinstead of confusion.
And they can do that by goingto Sharon I'm sorry,
sharonromarcoachingcom forward,slash insider and join my
insider community and right awaythat playlist gets sent to them
to their inbox.
I hope that's okay to sharethose two ways that if people
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want a little more Sharonmothering, I got you covered.
Alisha Coakley (01:09:42):
I was actually
just going to ask you.
Just let our listeners knowthat we'll put the links in the
in the description too for you,so they can easily just click.
Thank, you.
Sharon Lamar (01:09:50):
I appreciate that.
Yes, yes, thank you yeah.
Alisha Coakley (01:09:56):
All right.
Well, thank you again, Sharon,for coming on today and for just
giving us some differentperspective and for giving us a
little bit of motherly love.
We really, really appreciatethat.
You're welcome, thanks for allthe success on your podcast and
with your coaching and withanything else that Heavenly
Father feels like you need to bedoing in order for you to
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fulfill the purpose that he hasfor you.
So thank you for coming on.
Thank you to all of ourlisteners for tuning in.
Scott Brandley (01:10:25):
Yeah.
And everybody, go and hit thatshare button, do your five
second missionary work for theweek.
Let's get sharing story outthere so we can help reach other
people that need to hear thismessage.
And if you have a story thatyou'd like to share, go to
latterdaylightscom or email usat latterdaylights at gmailcom,
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and we will have you on the showas well.
Alisha Coakley (01:10:51):
Okay, awesome,
All right guys.
Well, that's all we have fortoday.
We'll see you guys next week onanother episode of Latter-day
Lights.
Talk to you later.
Scott Brandley (01:10:59):
Thanks Bye-bye.
Episode of lottery lights.
Talk to you later.
Thanks, bye.