October 12, 2025 • 54 mins
Is it ever too late to come home to Heavenly Father?
When life’s pressures nearly consumed her, Aisha Jermy reached a breaking point that affected her emotionally, physically, financially, and, most importantly, spiritually. But through one unexpected encounter on an airplane, she discovered the restored Gospel of Jesus Christ. And from that moment on, everything changed. In this week's episode of Latter-Day Lights, Aisha shares how joining the Church in her 50s helped her find peace, healing, and a renewed purpose.
Now an author and coach, her story teaches us that it is never too late to find Christ, and that we are welcome into His arms at any stage of life. Because of this belief, Aisha was baptized well into mid-life, and would then go on to use her books and testimony to help others on the path of faith. Aisha also opens up about her darkest seasons of loneliness, relational struggles, grief, and the tender mercies God sent to reshape both her heart and mind.
Tune in for a story of vulnerability, endurance, and divine grace. Whether you’re walking through trials or simply seeking a deeper spiritual connection, Aisha’s testimony will uplift you and remind you that it’s never too late to start over.
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Scott Brandley (00:00):
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This book is filled withinspiring stories, powerful
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So, if you're looking to beinspired, uplifted, and
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spiritually recharged, justvisit FaithToStay.com.
Now, let's get back to theshow.
Hey everyone, I'm ScottBrandley.
Alisha Coakley (00:31):
And I'm Alisha Coakley.
Every member of the church hasa story to share, one that can
instill faith, invite growth,and inspire others.
Scott Brandley (00:40):
On today's episode, we're going to hear how
a woman struggling to overcomea nervous breakdown found peace
and purpose in finding andjoining the church and helping
to coach others looking for Godin their lives.
Welcome to Latter Day Lights.
Alisha Coakley (01:30):
Scott and I are, you know, stateside.
And you being overseas and inthe UK, you're you're probably
tired right now.
Aisha Jermy (01:41):
Well, no, I had a little rest beforehand.
I had uh I couldn't sleep, butI did rest for a while.
Yeah.
Alisha Coakley (01:50):
Okay.
Well, good.
Good.
Well, Aisha, tell us tell us alittle bit more about yourself
and about the other side of theworld.
What's going on right now?
Aisha Jermy (02:00):
Oh, you don't want to know the politics here
stinks.
We won't go into it.
It's all over the world, it'shappening.
But but um generally aboutmyself, I uh I'm retired.
I used to be a solicitor, anduh and then I had to do about
four years when when the bankingcrisis occurred uh in 2008.
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Um I had to fold my businessbecause I was a sole
practitioner in 2010.
Um and then I had to findanother job because I still had
two children.
I've got two older ones and 20years between my first two and
my second two, so I still neededto work.
And the only job I could get inbecause I'd moved from London,
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I'm in East Anglia on the on thecoast, um, was care work.
So I did four years of that,um, which really sort of
finished me off physically.
I just ended up being a bit ofa wreck, and that took about
four years to get over.
Um but in the meantime, I waswriting my books, so that that's
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been my life for the last 20odd years.
So what an interesting time,yes.
Alisha Coakley (03:18):
Yeah.
So how many books have youwritten, Aisha?
Aisha Jermy (03:22):
I have written, I'll tell you very quickly, I've
done because as you youprobably can't read it the right
way around, but I was just Ifelt compelled by Heavenly
Father to write these booksabout Lord Jesus, finding the
light of Lord Jesus Christ.
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And like you, Scott, I gotreally upset.
The 16 years I've been in thechurch, I've seen children that
have been in the church alltheir lives leave.
And I can understand they havetheir choice, um, but I'm
concerned as to why, if they'vebeen in that environment, they
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would want to leave.
And I tried to raise the issue,but it wasn't well received.
It was taken as a personalassault on parents, and that
wasn't my intention.
So I thought, well, yeah, Iwill write, especially new
people as well.
That was the other side of thatcoin.
They would stay for a while,maybe get um uh baptized, and
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then before you know it, they'dgone.
And I know I found it very,very difficult being in the
world and of the world, and thenfinding the church uh and
having to be in the world butnot of the world.
Trying to understand thatconcept took time.
Right.
And and everybody who's been inthe church a long time, they
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can't think back to when theydidn't know anything.
So they weren't very not fromchoice, they just couldn't help
the feeling of isolation andloneliness.
So I thought if I write thesebooks, then people who are
coming to the church, I couldgive it to them.
That's all I've been doing isgiving them away at the moment.
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Um, give it to them, and itgives you the first book, gives
you all the basics, it tells youthe basic rules and how to to
to um what the the Book ofMormon, why it's important and
what it teaches, uh, and some ofthe base, I mean it's it's only
a taster, it's just to startyou off.
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And that's the hardest thingabout writing these, is not
overwhelming the individual withthe with information.
This one is the second book,which is more practical.
It's I tell about the lessons Ilearned and how uh what I
learned of the gospel toldtaught me how to deal with the
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problems in my life.
It's only my view, and this hasnot been um the church.
I wrote the church and toldthem what I was doing, but I
didn't, they haven't umsanctioned it, obviously, so I
made that clear.
But all the the monies fromthese books, if and when the
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Lord lifts them out ofobscurity, will go to the
continual education fund of thechurch.
Uh and and um and to helppeople that the church you know
helps to to to um that can'tafford to send their children to
school and stuff like that.
Now, this is the manuscript forbook three.
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This is fine, this is all aboutLord Jesus Christ, and um, and
um and really the hardest thinghas been to find a thread that
will guide somebody who doesn'tknow anything about Lord Jesus
to understand, just to get theminterested in finding out more
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about him.
Um, but it's quite difficult.
Anyway, that's that.
That's one of my my work inprogress at the minute.
Awesome.
Alisha Coakley (07:17):
Well, I love that, and I I'm sure we're gonna
hear more about how you gotinto that, right?
Yeah, do you wanna do you wantto actually uh share with us
like in like in like thebeginning, like before you join
the church where your storystarts?
Yeah, yeah.
Aisha Jermy (07:34):
Yeah, great, we would love to hear it.
Okay, um, I didn't know thatthe church existed for a very
long time.
I mean, I was 50s in mymid-50s, and I tell you how it
happened.
Uh, it was 2008, as I said, thebanking crisis, and I was
having such a difficult timethat my number two son, Omar, he
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was uh he hired a property inum St.
Clemente.
He was he and his wife werelooking for where they could um
move to before their daughtersstarted school, uh, and because
they could work from home.
And um he said to me, Mother,uh I I bumped you up to business
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class uh for going back toEngland, and um it so happened
that the the chap I sat next to,um it turns out, was a
Latter-day Saint.
And he started chatting to me.
My wife should have been onthis trip, and I had her seat.
So I thought, uh oh, I'm in fortrouble.
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Where's this wife?
But he he said, No, um, heexplained to me that um that was
2009, um, 2008, sorry.
Uh, she she had cancer, and umthey have six kids, and he told
me the whole story of how theymet and how they lived, as to
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how what they decided aboutchildren.
They had six children, threegirls, three boys.
And the youngest girl was aDown syndrome, so she didn't
feel she wanted to leave her andgo on business with him to
London, and he was a bit upsetabout that.
Bless him.
His name was uh I I hope hedoesn't mind.
I I'm not in touch with him atthe moment.
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His name is David Rogers, andlovely, lovely man.
And he gave me these bookletsto read, and and and I believed
every word uh that he said andand all that I read.
And he said to me, You're readyfor the gospel.
So um I didn't have one of mybusiness cards with me, but he
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had his, so he gave it to me,and he said, When you go back
home, just send me your email, Iwill look up the nearest um
chapel to you, and I'll let youknow.
So that was um we I landed on aFriday here.
I drove back, that's why my songot me into that, um, upgraded
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me, because I had to drive fromLondon back to Loistoft, which
is a good three hours, dependingon traffic, it could be four
hours.
So um, as soon as I got home,uh I I emailed him.
I I sorry, I'd given him myemail address.
He had sent me an email and allthe information was there, and
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he said it was the it was thebishop's, I thought it was the
bishop's house.
So I went out Saturday morning,this really, really hot
weather, looking for a a house,and I couldn't find the number
that he'd given me.
So I parked the car and wentwalking, and then I thought, oh
course, it's got to be thechurch, because that's the only
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one that fitted the number hegave me.
So I went in there, andfortunately for a Saturday
morning, there were people inthere, there were children uh
doing activities, there arequite a few men uh milling
around, and so I asked for thebishop, and they said, Well, the
bishop's not here, but an olderbrother Bobby's here.
So I um I went in and saw him,and I said, I've met somebody
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and they've told me about thechurch.
I want to know, um, I want tohave a copy of a Book of Mormon,
I want to have the phone numberof the uh missionaries, and I
want you to tell me what timeyou meet on a Sunday, and the
rest is history.
Alisha Coakley (11:30):
So um Wow, just like that, from one plain
conversation.
Aisha Jermy (11:36):
Yes, wow, you were ready.
Honestly, I was so unhappy,Alisha.
I don't like to admit it so,but but I was.
I was really, everything wasgoing wrong, and I'd worked so
hard to keep everything goingright, but it wasn't working.
And and I I was at my wit'send.
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I I had had this nervousbreakdown.
I moved away, be by the sea, totry and build myself up.
Um, but it got worse and worse,and I had to go and see the
doctor, and uh he put me, hesaid, you've got to stop
working.
Um, and and you've got to allowyourself time to grieve and to
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get better.
So that's where quite a lot ofmoney, because I was it took me
about two or three years umbetween get coming here from
Oxford and starting my business.
It was there was that space oftime because I I wasn't fit.
I really wasn't fit.
And two young children, and I'mlying there like you know,
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doing a dying swan act.
It was really, and and thehusband that I had then, that
was my second husband, he had noidea.
I mean, he was just a boy,35-year-old boy, uh, and he had
no idea how to help me um tocope.
So, so that's my bad.
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But anyway, I survived, gotthrough it.
As the money was getting lessand less, then I had to start my
practice.
And I'd done commercial laws,so I had to learn um the
practicalities.
I'd learnt the paper, the bookwork, but I had to learn the
practicalities of doing domesticconveyancing, for example, and
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wills and probates and things.
So, and then that that was in2009 when I actually started
doing, sorry, it was 2000 when Idid that.
So, yeah, but joining thechurch was the best thing I
could have done.
But I made a mistake.
I got chased by an old friend,uh neighbor.
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He was very, very kind, and Inever thought anything otherwise
than that.
But then his partner died, andhe started coming after me and
telling me, you know, how lonelyhe was and how I'm such a silly
girl that I took him, you know,I thought.
So I broke my covenant, youknow which one, I'm sure.
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Um so but before that I had gotin 20, 2009, I had um I had
been baptized, and I wasabsolutely adamant I wasn't
going to break my vows.
But it happened.
I had to go and confess.
No, I had to, I had to to formyself.
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I couldn't, I couldn't not tellthem because I knew what I did
was completely wrong.
And it's all right to breakyour promise to men, but not to
God.
And and it it didn't hit meuntil after I didn't it.
I put it down to loneliness, Ithink.
We do stupid things when whenwe feel lonely and we feel
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afraid.
But anyway, that was no excuse.
So I told them, and um and theysaid to me, Can you promise not
to have that kind ofrelationship with him?
And I said, No.
I thought he was genuine.
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But anyway, but I still went tochurch.
Everybody was gossiping aboutme.
I could feel it, but maybe it'smy imagination, but I don't
think so.
But anyway, I I went to church,and I tell you, Alisha, I read
everything there was to read.
What's it called?
Oh god, it's gone up my head.
Uh about that's it.
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Oh, and then enduring to theend, and I I studied it and
studied it and till it was sortof written on my heart, you
know, and and I made thatpromise to myself that that
would not happen.
So, anyway, we got married in2018.
So I got rebaptized in 2020,and that sort of allowed me then
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to go um to take my temple umordinances, and I'd really
wanted to do some work for mymum because she was following
the Christian faith towards theend of her life.
So I managed only recently, buta couple of years back now, I
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managed to to um get my motherbaptized and my grandparents on
both sides, my mother and myfather's, and um and then
they've been sealed.
My mum and my dad have beensealed to their respective
parents.
So now, after I finish writingthis book and getting that out,
and I will um I'm starting toget information about my other
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family.
It's up to them whether theyaccept it or not, but I consider
it my job, because I'm the onlyone in the family that belongs
to the church, to give them theopportunity.
Because I've been, um, when Ifirst went started, uh, joined
the church, I used to go withthe youngsters and do baptisms,
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and I assure you, I could seethe people waiting on the other
side to be to have to have theirwork done.
Alisha Coakley (17:19):
So, um sorry, I was just gonna ask, so um uh so
when you told your bishop thatyou weren't ready to give it for
that relationship, you you werejust fellowships or
excommunicated from the church?
Because you said somethingabout being rebaptized.
Yes, I was, and it wasshocking.
Aisha Jermy (17:38):
How long was it?
Yeah, four years, I think.
But I still went to church, Ididn't take, do you know?
It's so painful not being ableto take sacraments, but I wasn't
going to, I wasn't going to toturn my back.
I knew it was in the rightplace, and you know, I had my
patriarchal blessing done, andit said to me, in there, be
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careful, you're so important tothe church.
He said, be careful, thinkbefore you act, sort of.
And it's it went right out ofmy head, but I think it was
meant to be because by doingthat, I have had to learn so
much about the the how amazingum the atonement is and how
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forgiving the Lord is in thistime, in so many ways.
Our Lord Jesus has has made itclear to me that He's forgiven
me and He knows and understandshow I fell into those things.
It was just the most amazingthing.
And it's helped me to writethese books as well because we
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all make mistakes, no one is isabove it.
And if we can help each other,I wish people wouldn't feel so
bad.
Yes, feel bad, but don't giveup the place where you know
you're you're at, that it's theright place to be.
I I can't understand howanybody could leave the church
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at all.
I mean, I I've listened to thebook that um Scott, yeah.
I I I listened to that'samazing, all that that work, and
I appreciate how much work ittook to get all that information
and to put it into a way thatyou know it's understandable and
and and digestible and it'samazing.
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And I hope a lot of people willlisten, would have listened to
it.
But sometimes, you know, thething you need most is the thing
you run away from.
That seems to be the way, yeah.
Alisha Coakley (19:51):
Um that's I like that that's pretty
powerful, it's very it's veryaccurate too sometimes.
Aisha Jermy (19:57):
Well, my I myself has done have done it, you know.
When you should listen, youdon't want to hear, you you want
to do what you want to do, andthen when you have to bear the
consequences of that, uh I I Imean, I'm one of those people
where I say, Well, you've causedit to yourself.
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I I don't like anyone saying tome, Well, you've made your bed
lie in it, but I I canacknowledge that that was my
fault when it, you know, and Iand I have to put it right.
You know, don't hide.
I don't try and hide.
If I make a mistake, I face it.
And that's the only thingthat's kept me sane and alive,
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really.
I I danced to the the music ofthe Lord's drum, nobody else's.
I made that decision a longtime ago.
I've read so many self-helpbooks.
I'm my own actor, director, andproducer of my life.
Scott Brandley (20:57):
So, what what started you on this path or this
idea of writing books aboutabout the church?
Aisha Jermy (21:05):
Well, I think I had a revelation because I was
working on another book.
I was working on my um on my uhautobiography, and that was
depressing me.
I thought, I'm not gonna writea book that I'm not can't be
truthful, and I can't betruthful because it's gonna hurt
a lot of people, because that'smy perception of my life, it's
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not necessarily theirperception.
So I got this revelation, andum, and it was because I was
worried as to why so manypeople, uh old and new, were
leaving the church.
And and I sat down one day andI worked out all the things that
I think may be the problem, andthen I sent it away.
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I said I showed it to my my myum bishop, and then uh they said
they couldn't tell me what youknow anything about it, so I
sent it off to Utah, and thenthey wrote back and said, Thank
you very much, but we're workingon these things.
So I thought, fine, you do yourbit, and then I'll do my bit.
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So I started drafting you knowthe outline I had.
I started filling it out withthe kind of information that I
thought would be useful.
Um and that and it went on fromthere, but it was such a
compulsion.
I it's very difficult toexplain to anybody else because
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they don't seem to be ascompelled as I am with things,
or maybe it's just my nature,but I couldn't leave it.
I couldn't sleep when I can'tsleep at night, I come and work
on it, you know.
So I've got the first one.
There wasn't too difficult, thefirst one, because I'd got to
grips with that, with all thatthe work I had to do when I was
a naughty girl.
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Um, but the second book washarder because I put in some
things about how hard I found itafter the my first divorce, uh,
because my children were therewhen their father attacked me.
And that had a terrible,terrible detrimental effect on
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their health.
So and and my ability to copeas well.
Um, we went through a terribletime, the children, the boys and
I.
Um, they wanted to talk and Icouldn't talk.
Um, so that was a tough time.
Well, it it's I've put somebits of it in there, uh, that
the difficulties, because I'msure I'm not the only woman
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that's had that sort of thing.
And how do you cope?
How do you deal with thechildren and yourself and and
the difficulties?
I don't know if anybody willfind it of any use.
I I um I'm dyslexic anyway.
It's a hard job.
The older I get, the harder itis to handle that.
Um, so sometimes I I I don'tuse the right tense, or I I get
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so excited about writing, Idon't think about the other
things that goes into gettingmaking the writing good writing.
But now I've got hold of myselfand I will not let anything go
until I'm at least two-thirdscomfortable with it.
Not 100%, you can never be100%, I don't believe.
But yeah, so I do I do that.
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I have put some of that inthere.
Um and I hope it helpssomebody.
Uh, and the third book as well,it's the same thing.
You know, why do you putyourself under so much stress,
Aisha?
Why do you but the Lord wantsme to?
Why does he want me to?
Because he wants me to grow, hewants me to understand, he
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wants to use me.
I feel 100% he wants to use meto help other women who haven't
had the opportunities I perhapshad over here.
Well, you said about wanting toteach people, and that is
correct.
Um, but I had to think how todo it.
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You know, it's it's an organicthing.
I'm taking coaching, I'm havinga uh I've got a wonderful
coach.
She is a Christ-centered, youknow, uh faith-filled coach, and
and everybody in that group arefaith-filled people.
So I found my tribe, if youlike.
I can I can thrive and I canlearn.
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It's taken quite some time tofind, because I'm not motivated
by money.
You tell me how to earn money,it's not going to motivate me to
learn.
I learned, I studied lawbecause I was left alone with
two children and I didn't wantto be hand to mouth.
I wanted them to have the bestthat I could give them.
And that's why I put myselfthrough that for them.
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And they have come, they'velearned, they've watched me work
and study and get a good job.
And so they learned from that,and they both went out into the
world and did that forthemselves.
So now that my older boy canactually help me, because you
don't want to know what they'redoing here with our pensions.
The one thing I didn't likeabout having a business is
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you've got to charge people.
And by the time I realized ifyou don't charge people, you
can't stay in business.
It was getting a bit difficult.
But but I did my, I saw myclients coming to me as God
sending these people to me.
I had a duty to them to do thebest for them.
And some people are they theyshoot themselves in the foot
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because they're not listening towhat you say, and they want you
to use you as a weapon, andthat's not what I'm there for.
So anybody like that, I said,I'm sorry, I can't take your
job.
You know, so so I wasn't aftermoney or anything, I just wanted
to be able to keep my familytogether.
Um, I didn't want a flash car.
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People said, one woman said tome, Well, you can't be a proper
solicitor.
I said, Why?
She said, Look at the car youdrive.
I said, I drive that kind ofcar, madam, because I don't want
to charge people exorbitantsums of money.
Uh I wanted to say to youthough, that I heard some, I
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listened to quite a few of yourum podcasts, and I loved the
young man.
You might remember him, GrantJohnson.
He was only 24, and he'd comeout, yeah, he'd got through
addiction, and I fell in lovewith that young man.
I wish they were more like him,and maybe they are in the
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church.
I mean, he talked about, I'vegot here what a wise young man.
He talked about mindfulness.
At 24, I have two kids and abasket for a husband, but nobody
ever talked to me.
I didn't know anything about mymindfulness.
And being aware of your bodyand your senses, and giving
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yourself time to find out what'sgoing on.
You know, don't just jump fromone thing to another.
Well, I certainly didn't.
There was eight years betweenmy first marriage and my second
marriage when I got my lawdegree and my solicitor's finals
and found myself a job.
But anyway, this young man, umthis thing about, you know,
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you've got to process youremotions.
My God, I wasn't even allowedto have emotions.
My dad used to whack me if Ishowed any emotion.
So you can you can understandwhy I'm a bit crazy.
So um, you know, but he youknow, process your emotions.
I'm 74 in two months' time, andI'm just learning to be kind to
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myself and process my emotionsand find out whether they're
real or not.
You know, where are theyleading me?
Don't just act on the emotions,find out what's going on inside
yourself.
And so I was really happy to toto hear him.
And there was a there was anice woman sitting on the
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settee, and she said something,I I don't didn't catch her name,
but she said something that Ireally, really loved and I would
never forget.
And and I don't know if anybodyelse, I hope other people
picked it up.
And what she said was HeavenlyFather wants us, hopes that we
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want to go back to him.
Now, if you're gonna live inone of his mansions, then surely
you need to get to know him, tofind out what he likes and what
he doesn't like, what heappreciates and what He doesn't
appreciate.
You know, you can't expect togo to the celestial kingdom to a
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place where you know nothingabout the the the father and the
son that live there.
I thought that was fabulous,what she said.
And that Jesus spoke to her allthe time.
I mean, my goodness, she isblessed to have Jesus speak to
her.
You know, I I talk to him allthe time, and I have a go, you
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know, occasionally, you know,where are you?
Why are you quiet?
But I've discovered why.
When the Lord is movingmountains and oceans to get the
get the universe in alignmentwith what you want and what he
wants to give you, how is hegoing to have time to stand
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around and chick-chat with you?
He's going to be quiet becausehe's busy.
But I've seen that in my ownlife.
And and I thought, you crazywoman, why are you expecting him
to be wanting to talk to youall the time?
He hasn't got time.
He's got so many things he'sgot to do to make things happen
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for you.
Yeah.
Scott Brandley (31:14):
All right.
So looking back on your life,what you know, like what are
some of your thoughts, likeseeing where where your life has
gone and and now where it is,and and finding the church and
the gospel, like, tell us alittle bit about reflecting on
your life.
Aisha Jermy (31:34):
Right.
Um, I did uh uh because mysecond husband passed away uh uh
just over a year ago.
Um I made up with him, youknow, I wasn't angry with him
anymore.
I was just sad before him.
Uh but I realized that if I hadto do it all over again, I
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probably wouldn't do anythingdifferent.
Because I made a promise tomyself early on in my life that
whatever happens, I'm gonnahandle it and I'm going to enjoy
what I can of it and and umlearn from the rest.
And with the first marriage, umI really could see us doing
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really, really well, but he wasmentally ill.
But fortunately, the boysaren't.
The boys are so clever, and Iwould not change being with him
because I have two amazing sons,incredible sons, and they loved
me to death.
So mind you, they keep me atarm's length because I can go on
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a bit and I can stick my nosein where it shouldn't be.
But that's all mothers for you.
I'm learning.
I mean, he told me off theother day, the older one, and I
didn't argue with him.
He said, Mother, stop tellingme I don't look well.
So I thought, okay, sorry.
So I apologized and I think hefelt bad.
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But anyway, yeah.
So I I I've got two beautifulboys, and then with the second
one, I mean, he was a nutcasewith money, but then I got a
beautiful daughter.
She is drop dead gorgeous,clever.
She went to Rada, the RoyalAcademy of Dramatic Arts, and
um, and she's done some actingwork, and now she's um she's
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married, and uh she's got um areally, really good job.
She's got two beautiful littlegirls, and my son, my last one,
he is uh 30 now, and he's now ina job that he's really enjoying
because it allows him to be uhcreative and um and his own boss
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to quite a great extent.
Uh, I have done, I realized inhindsight that I wasn't such, I
wasn't so awful as I was made tofeel or I felt.
You know, yeah, we had troublewith the father, but the sons
and the kids are really amazing.
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You know, I couldn't want forbetter.
So I'm happy that I had the menI had.
Even Eric, you know, I I'vereally enjoyed the first few
months of being married to Eric.
But he kept trying to tie me,tie me down with him.
And I said, Eric, I'm 10 yearsyounger, darling.
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No, come with me, stay at home,you your choice.
But I'm gonna have my life.
I don't think that's unfair.
Yeah.
I really don't.
But if anybody needs anythingand they call on me, I'm there.
If he wanted, he could call onme, I'll be there.
But I'm not pushing myself in asituation where I'm going to be
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unknowingly be unhappy.
What's the point?
I haven't come this far to beunhappy.
Right.
Scott Brandley (35:04):
Um and and then what about the what about
finding the church later on inlife?
What are your thoughts on that?
Aisha Jermy (35:12):
I am so grateful.
I'm glad you asked thatquestion.
Alex, I'm so grateful to havefound the church.
I thank God every day I say myprayers, I say thank you, Lord,
for leading me to your church.
I don't understand why youwaited till I was in my mid-50s,
but then somebody said to me, Isaid, This is something, and
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they said to me, Well, he wantedyou to have the experiences
that you've had so you wouldhave tolerance and understanding
when you're teaching thelessons that he wants you to
teach.
And I think that's right.
If you don't have theseexperiences, you go around with
your nose in the air thinkingyou're better than everybody
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else, and it's not true.
We're all fallible, and I'mhappy to to to embrace my
fallibility because I think thatmakes me human and it makes me
a better friend and a bettermother and a better sister and
um a better person.
Scott Brandley (36:15):
You know, like everybody has their own
struggles in life.
Your your struggles are uniqueto you, yeah.
But they they're also what helpus to become who we are, they
refine us, right?
And turn us into what we who weare and what we need to be.
Alisha Coakley (36:29):
Absolutely.
And um and and now you've doneyou've written a few books too,
which is great.
And so now you have all of thatknowledge that you can put to
your books.
And so tell us, is you thethird book?
Is that like the the finalbook, or do you have plans for
other ones in the future afterthis third one?
Aisha Jermy (36:49):
Well, the third one is uh that's what that's as far
as I thought.
But then I read the acts, but Ithink I've put some of them in
there.
I think the Lord put me, got meto do those books so I could
know his word.
I could you can't talk uh toanybody else unless you know the
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words that Lord Jesus taught.
And you know, Alisha, what I'vediscovered, our Lord Jesus
Christ has got a wicked sense ofhumor.
He really has.
Oh my gosh, I can't believe it.
Oh, yeah.
Because he's got he's got.
Um and if you're reading itwith a straight face and a
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straight mind in the sense of,you know, you're reading it
because you've got to read it,not reading it with your brain
engaged, you think, well, that'sa bit strange.
Well, because I that's how Istarted doing it.
I thought, well, I'm sure hedoesn't mean what he's saying
like that.
You know, there must besomething more behind it.
And then you find he's beingsarcastic in a way, you know,
(37:55):
maybe it's just the way my mindworks, but I'm thinking, he's
having a little dig.
And sometimes I'll tell yousomething else I found.
He says things, and if you takeit at face value, you're gonna
go barking up the wrong tree andyou're gonna make mistakes.
Uh and I've thought about thisquite a lot, that people do
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wrong things, not even realizingit's wrong.
For example, just if you givethem change in a shop, and the
shop the person gives you toomuch, a lot of people walk away
thinking, Oh, I've got one overon them.
I'm I'm going, you know, I'vegot to be extra.
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I can't do that.
I say, look, are you sureyou've given me the right amount
back?
Shouldn't it be less?
And they think that's reallyfunny.
unknown (38:49):
You know.
Aisha Jermy (38:51):
But that's called honesty.
God does He doesn't miss athing.
Not a thing.
Somebody else, you know, twothings.
Something didn't come and theysaid it didn't come, and then
they sent another one and theydidn't send the first one back
or check.
Because at least you ring andsay, Look, oh, it's come.
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Do you want me to send it back?
And they could say yes or no.
But if you keep it withoutasking that, that's dishonest,
is it not?
You know, so many tiny littleways you can blot your copy
book.
It's a it's just amazing.
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Absolutely amazing.
Most people don't even thinkabout it.
And I didn't always, I mean,with the with the money thing,
yes, because I was alwaysworried the person that's
working there would have to makeup the difference or something
if if their till was short.
But there are other things Idid that now I would not do.
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But but the church, why I lovethe church so much.
People are people.
You don't go to the church forthe people.
If they're nice people, you'relucky.
But we're people.
Sometimes we feel in the moodto talk, sometimes we don't.
Sometimes we feel friendly,sometimes we don't.
I go to church and I'm smilingall the time because I'm so
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grateful that the Lord hasbrought me there, you know.
Um, but you go to church forthe Lord, and you know, when you
and and uh you discussed uhabout why people left, you know,
(40:37):
those two people that left whenScott uh took uh became um the
the bishop.
Yeah yeah, you know, why wouldanybody look for something to
find fault with with the church?
We don't understand so much ofwhat is in the gospel, what's in
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the what's in the Bible, andand we don't live in that time.
It's not for us.
If you're looking for somethingto get upset about and to
leave, you will find it.
Three marriages, I tell you,it's easy to find it because you
(41:21):
want out, and it's the samewith with our Lord Jesus.
If you want to find a way out,you will find it.
But why?
Why would you want to find away out when you know you're in
the right place?
Scott Brandley (41:38):
You don't you don't Yeah, what what what does
the world have to offer yououtside of the blessings of the
gospel?
I mean, there's nothing you'renever gonna find something
that's gonna fill that fullness.
Aisha Jermy (41:53):
No, no, and and when I come out of church, you
see this face?
I think it's like this at thisage, because everybody tells me
they don't believe me, because Ibelieve.
I trust you've got to show meyou're I can't trust you, but I
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will trust you until you show meyou can't I can't trust you.
Most people are, I'm not gonnatrust you until you show me I
can trust you.
So if I take knocks because ofmy way of looking at it, that's
fine.
The Lord has made me strongenough to handle that, and and
and it doesn't, yes, it mightknock me down, but I'll get up
(42:37):
again.
So I don't know whether I'mright or not, but I think I am
because I'll tell you why.
Last year, when What's his facepassed my number two, and then
I had to sell off my propertiesfor next to nothing because he
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was you, you know, he didn'tknow how to look after them, but
he wanted to be in charge ofthem.
He he actually said to me, hepushed me out of the house, my
own house, my house, and um andand and turned my kids against
me when I joined the church.
Because he was so angry that Ijoined the church.
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He just wouldn't let me sleep,he wouldn't let me eat, he
wouldn't let me rest in thehouse.
So he I had to find somewhereto live.
Now, not not many people can dothat.
But I was working, so I wasable to do it.
And I've always said I'd ratherbe a bag lady or live in a
(43:40):
caravan than live in a homewhere I am not happy, where I
cry every night.
That is not life, and I'm nothaving it anymore.
So being in the church hasgiven me such courage, such, I
mean, my strength was waning.
As I said in 2008, uh, I wasreally low, and that's why I
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think the Lord, I was honestlythinking of walking into the
North Sea and not walking outagain.
And that's a wicked thing tothink.
So wrong.
And that I think is why theLord sent David Rogers to me,
you know, or put me to sit nextto him.
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Because I got to know, youknow, I went and saw the family
I stayed with his because hiswife, she and I got very, very
friendly on, you know, somessaging each other back and
forth.
And then the cancer came back,and I asked her if I can come
and see her, because I couldfear she was gonna go.
So um, so she said yes, and wehad a mate, it was like we were
(44:50):
sisters forever, you know.
We just jailed.
And she took me around all overthe place and showed me things
and told me, you know, they hadto sell so much of what they had
to pay for the uh chemo and allthis business.
And she passed away in 2013,which was really, really sad.
But I had that time with herand I've got lovely memories
(45:13):
with her.
So it opened up my world beingin the church.
And now, when I thought that Ihad used up all my money with
the with the second lot ofchildren and him not working,
that um I could not I could nolonger keep the promise to
myself to go to go um traveling.
(45:36):
And what happens?
I sent a note to my son to saythat I was having difficulty
because they stopped, they keptmy my private pension, I
couldn't pay my rent.
And he phoned me up and askedme some questions, and he said,
Well, mother, I will pay yourrent.
(45:57):
I I'd never I'd never thoughtthat, you know, would never
think to ask him.
And I said, Well, how long for?
He said, As long as you live.
And I then I said to him, Isaid to him, I mean, I've never
asked him for anything, any ofmy children, ever.
I'm the breadwinner.
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And then he said to me, Mother,I don't like you having to be
there in the winter time.
I'm going to arrange for you.
I know that I have this ladythat does my uh travel
arrangements for me, but I don'tuse her now.
But I will get her involved andyou tell her where you want to
go, and she will book it all foryou.
And I've been able to travelwherever that's God, that's not
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me.
That is amazing, absolutelyincredible.
So every day I wake up, I'm sohappy to wake up.
I say thank you for giving meanother day, you know, and and
thank you for watching over me.
And it's just phenomenal.
(47:06):
And I look for every littleblessing because they're there.
If you look for them, you can'tfeel sorry for yourself like I
used to.
I used to think I was so harddone by, and I was, but I'm not
anymore.
Changed my whole mindset.
That's awesome.
Alisha Coakley (47:24):
Well, I love that you have that perspective
where it's like you're gonnafind exactly what you're looking
for.
And so if you're looking forthe negative and you're looking
for the the reasons why you're avictim and why things are going
wrong for you, you'reabsolutely gonna find evidence
for that, and vice versa.
Um, Aisha, we have just reallyenjoyed having you on today and
and having you share your storywith us.
(47:45):
Is there anything that you'dlike to kind of wrap up and and
leave with our guests who arewho are listening right now?
Aisha Jermy (47:52):
Well, I just want to one thing uh about my books,
and then I would like to say alittle thing about um quickly.
Yes, I know.
Um I've written these twoTankamun books, and that I I
researched, that's the first,second, and third.
It's a it's a trilogy, and it'sbecause you know I married an
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Egyptian, my second one was anEgyptian, and I got into um
Egyptology and and and then Ihad my son, and and I wanted I I
went to the Cairo Museum andand saw the the um the
exhibition there of what theyfound uh in his tomb, and it
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just took hold of me, and thatwas it.
It took me 12 years ofresearching while I was working,
and then the minute I retired Istarted writing.
I mean, I've never I've alwayswanted to write, but I never had
the chance, you know, becauseyou're working.
And I've done I've done thislittle one, it's a collection of
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short stories, Tales forTwilight.
You know, it they are ghoststories, well, they call it
ghost stories, but I actually,these are things I actually
experienced, and uh, and poetryfor the mature.
Yeah, and and I've done acouple of little children's
books, The Seven Voyages ofSinbad the Sailor, which I
(49:19):
thought would really helpchildren that's had to go live
through um COVID and being fearbeing big so fearful.
And this is and and Sinbad isnot all swashbuckling, it's a
how he thinks outside the boxand how he deals with
difficulties that I think wouldhelp children enormously,
(49:40):
whether it does or not.
And I've done the children'sone of Tutankhamun.
Um and yeah, that that one hasgot questions and answers um
after each chapter.
But anyway, yes.
So what I would really, reallyCan you find it on Amazon?
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Yes, Amazon, and I've got a penname.
My pen name is ADP SerisiS-O-R-I-S-I, which is an anagram
of the god Osiris, the ancientgod of Egypt.
So um very cool.
Thank you.
Uh, what I would say is is thisbusiness of one thing that
(50:26):
Julie, the wife who's passedaway of the man who told me
about the place, hergreat-great-grandfather was Pali
P.
Pratt.
And the one thing that Juliesaid, yeah, really the one thing
that Julie said to me when wemet is Aisha, never ever leave
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the church.
Whatever happens, you do notleave the church.
And I've held on to thatbecause there's nothing outside,
as you said, Scott, that couldmake up and help you to cope
with life like the scriptures,like the gospel, and like the
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Holy Ghost.
If you're listening, and theHoly Ghost, they don't repeat
themselves.
She doesn't, it doesn't repeatitself.
If you don't listen and youdon't act, it's gone.
And I say, Don't under it,don't worry about whether you
understand it or not.
If it tells you to dosomething, go and do it, and
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don't expect anything back fromthe person you're doing it for,
because your your gift will comeand your thanks will come from
God, not from the person you'vedone it for.
So that's my last take on that.
And I'm I'm I'm glad youenjoyed it, but I hope I didn't
babble on too much.
Alisha Coakley (51:51):
No, it was it was wonderful.
Aisha Jermy (51:53):
Thank you.
You might have me on again someother time.
Alisha Coakley (51:58):
We love it, yes.
We'll have to have you back formore adventures.
Thank you again for coming.
We you are just such a sweetdelight, and we're so glad that
that you were able to reach outto us and that you have these
books available for everyone tokind of purchase and to learn
from.
Um, we will definitely sharelinks to those in the
description if anyone'sinterested.
(52:19):
And um, you know, we would justlove to encourage our listeners
to do their five-secondmissionary work.
Hit that share button andcomment and just let us know one
of the favorite parts ofAisha's story that you guys
resonated with us today.
Aisha Jermy (52:33):
Thank you.
And I want to say thank you,sorry, just very quickly to to
Maureen Heel because she's notvery well, but I went to visit
her and she's one of um, she'sbeen in the church a long time,
and she introduced me to youryour your she was listening to
your podcast and uh and she andand and she listens every time
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she says and she said to me, Whydon't you get in touch, Aisha?
I said, Well, it's probablygoing to be difficult.
She said, No, no, no, just try,just try.
I might see you on heresometime.
So when will I be when will Ibe on, you know, so I can tell
her.
You let me know.
Alisha Coakley (53:14):
Yes, we'll let you know.
Aisha Jermy (53:15):
Okay, because I'd like to go see it with her.
Scott Brandley (53:18):
Yeah.
And thanks, Maureen, fortelling us about Aisha.
So thanks everybody for tuningin.
Um, and come in and watch usnext week for another episode of
Latter Day Lights.
Till then, take care.
Bye-bye.
Aisha Jermy (53:46):
I'm glad.
Scott, I'm terrible, Scott, forthis.
Oh, I think.
Scott Brandley (53:50):
Well, no, I I can cut to you.
Alisha Coakley (53:53):
I I just love you.
I said, I just love you.
Like you're you're cracking meup.
I love it.
Scott Brandley (53:58):
Yeah, we love your energy.
Aisha Jermy (54:00):
You'll probably cut it all off.
No.
Alisha Coakley (54:03):
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Alisha Coakley (00:31):
And I'm Alisha Coakley.
Every member of the church hasa story to share, one that can
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On today's episode, we're going to hear how
a woman struggling to overcomea nervous breakdown found peace
and purpose in finding andjoining the church and helping
to coach others looking for Godin their lives.
Welcome to Latter Day Lights.
Alisha Coakley (01:30):
Scott and I are, you know, stateside.
And you being overseas and inthe UK, you're you're probably
tired right now.
Aisha Jermy (01:41):
Well, no, I had a little rest beforehand.
I had uh I couldn't sleep, butI did rest for a while.
Yeah.
Alisha Coakley (01:50):
Okay.
Well, good.
Good.
Well, Aisha, tell us tell us alittle bit more about yourself
and about the other side of theworld.
What's going on right now?
Aisha Jermy (02:00):
Oh, you don't want to know the politics here
stinks.
We won't go into it.
It's all over the world, it'shappening.
But but um generally aboutmyself, I uh I'm retired.
I used to be a solicitor, anduh and then I had to do about
four years when when the bankingcrisis occurred uh in 2008.
(02:24):
Um I had to fold my businessbecause I was a sole
practitioner in 2010.
Um and then I had to findanother job because I still had
two children.
I've got two older ones and 20years between my first two and
my second two, so I still neededto work.
And the only job I could get inbecause I'd moved from London,
(02:46):
I'm in East Anglia on the on thecoast, um, was care work.
So I did four years of that,um, which really sort of
finished me off physically.
I just ended up being a bit ofa wreck, and that took about
four years to get over.
Um but in the meantime, I waswriting my books, so that that's
(03:10):
been my life for the last 20odd years.
So what an interesting time,yes.
Alisha Coakley (03:18):
Yeah.
So how many books have youwritten, Aisha?
Aisha Jermy (03:22):
I have written, I'll tell you very quickly, I've
done because as you youprobably can't read it the right
way around, but I was just Ifelt compelled by Heavenly
Father to write these booksabout Lord Jesus, finding the
light of Lord Jesus Christ.
(03:43):
And like you, Scott, I gotreally upset.
The 16 years I've been in thechurch, I've seen children that
have been in the church alltheir lives leave.
And I can understand they havetheir choice, um, but I'm
concerned as to why, if they'vebeen in that environment, they
(04:03):
would want to leave.
And I tried to raise the issue,but it wasn't well received.
It was taken as a personalassault on parents, and that
wasn't my intention.
So I thought, well, yeah, Iwill write, especially new
people as well.
That was the other side of thatcoin.
They would stay for a while,maybe get um uh baptized, and
(04:30):
then before you know it, they'dgone.
And I know I found it very,very difficult being in the
world and of the world, and thenfinding the church uh and
having to be in the world butnot of the world.
Trying to understand thatconcept took time.
Right.
And and everybody who's been inthe church a long time, they
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can't think back to when theydidn't know anything.
So they weren't very not fromchoice, they just couldn't help
the feeling of isolation andloneliness.
So I thought if I write thesebooks, then people who are
coming to the church, I couldgive it to them.
That's all I've been doing isgiving them away at the moment.
(05:15):
Um, give it to them, and itgives you the first book, gives
you all the basics, it tells youthe basic rules and how to to
to um what the the Book ofMormon, why it's important and
what it teaches, uh, and some ofthe base, I mean it's it's only
a taster, it's just to startyou off.
(05:37):
And that's the hardest thingabout writing these, is not
overwhelming the individual withthe with information.
This one is the second book,which is more practical.
It's I tell about the lessons Ilearned and how uh what I
learned of the gospel toldtaught me how to deal with the
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problems in my life.
It's only my view, and this hasnot been um the church.
I wrote the church and toldthem what I was doing, but I
didn't, they haven't umsanctioned it, obviously, so I
made that clear.
But all the the monies fromthese books, if and when the
(06:22):
Lord lifts them out ofobscurity, will go to the
continual education fund of thechurch.
Uh and and um and to helppeople that the church you know
helps to to to um that can'tafford to send their children to
school and stuff like that.
Now, this is the manuscript forbook three.
(06:44):
This is fine, this is all aboutLord Jesus Christ, and um, and
um and really the hardest thinghas been to find a thread that
will guide somebody who doesn'tknow anything about Lord Jesus
to understand, just to get theminterested in finding out more
(07:06):
about him.
Um, but it's quite difficult.
Anyway, that's that.
That's one of my my work inprogress at the minute.
Awesome.
Alisha Coakley (07:17):
Well, I love that, and I I'm sure we're gonna
hear more about how you gotinto that, right?
Yeah, do you wanna do you wantto actually uh share with us
like in like in like thebeginning, like before you join
the church where your storystarts?
Yeah, yeah.
Aisha Jermy (07:34):
Yeah, great, we would love to hear it.
Okay, um, I didn't know thatthe church existed for a very
long time.
I mean, I was 50s in mymid-50s, and I tell you how it
happened.
Uh, it was 2008, as I said, thebanking crisis, and I was
having such a difficult timethat my number two son, Omar, he
(07:57):
was uh he hired a property inum St.
Clemente.
He was he and his wife werelooking for where they could um
move to before their daughtersstarted school, uh, and because
they could work from home.
And um he said to me, Mother,uh I I bumped you up to business
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class uh for going back toEngland, and um it so happened
that the the chap I sat next to,um it turns out, was a
Latter-day Saint.
And he started chatting to me.
My wife should have been onthis trip, and I had her seat.
So I thought, uh oh, I'm in fortrouble.
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Where's this wife?
But he he said, No, um, heexplained to me that um that was
2009, um, 2008, sorry.
Uh, she she had cancer, and umthey have six kids, and he told
me the whole story of how theymet and how they lived, as to
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how what they decided aboutchildren.
They had six children, threegirls, three boys.
And the youngest girl was aDown syndrome, so she didn't
feel she wanted to leave her andgo on business with him to
London, and he was a bit upsetabout that.
Bless him.
His name was uh I I hope hedoesn't mind.
I I'm not in touch with him atthe moment.
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His name is David Rogers, andlovely, lovely man.
And he gave me these bookletsto read, and and and I believed
every word uh that he said andand all that I read.
And he said to me, You're readyfor the gospel.
So um I didn't have one of mybusiness cards with me, but he
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had his, so he gave it to me,and he said, When you go back
home, just send me your email, Iwill look up the nearest um
chapel to you, and I'll let youknow.
So that was um we I landed on aFriday here.
I drove back, that's why my songot me into that, um, upgraded
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me, because I had to drive fromLondon back to Loistoft, which
is a good three hours, dependingon traffic, it could be four
hours.
So um, as soon as I got home,uh I I emailed him.
I I sorry, I'd given him myemail address.
He had sent me an email and allthe information was there, and
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he said it was the it was thebishop's, I thought it was the
bishop's house.
So I went out Saturday morning,this really, really hot
weather, looking for a a house,and I couldn't find the number
that he'd given me.
So I parked the car and wentwalking, and then I thought, oh
course, it's got to be thechurch, because that's the only
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one that fitted the number hegave me.
So I went in there, andfortunately for a Saturday
morning, there were people inthere, there were children uh
doing activities, there arequite a few men uh milling
around, and so I asked for thebishop, and they said, Well, the
bishop's not here, but an olderbrother Bobby's here.
So I um I went in and saw him,and I said, I've met somebody
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and they've told me about thechurch.
I want to know, um, I want tohave a copy of a Book of Mormon,
I want to have the phone numberof the uh missionaries, and I
want you to tell me what timeyou meet on a Sunday, and the
rest is history.
Alisha Coakley (11:30):
So um Wow, just like that, from one plain
conversation.
Aisha Jermy (11:36):
Yes, wow, you were ready.
Honestly, I was so unhappy,Alisha.
I don't like to admit it so,but but I was.
I was really, everything wasgoing wrong, and I'd worked so
hard to keep everything goingright, but it wasn't working.
And and I I was at my wit'send.
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I I had had this nervousbreakdown.
I moved away, be by the sea, totry and build myself up.
Um, but it got worse and worse,and I had to go and see the
doctor, and uh he put me, hesaid, you've got to stop
working.
Um, and and you've got to allowyourself time to grieve and to
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get better.
So that's where quite a lot ofmoney, because I was it took me
about two or three years umbetween get coming here from
Oxford and starting my business.
It was there was that space oftime because I I wasn't fit.
I really wasn't fit.
And two young children, and I'mlying there like you know,
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doing a dying swan act.
It was really, and and thehusband that I had then, that
was my second husband, he had noidea.
I mean, he was just a boy,35-year-old boy, uh, and he had
no idea how to help me um tocope.
So, so that's my bad.
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But anyway, I survived, gotthrough it.
As the money was getting lessand less, then I had to start my
practice.
And I'd done commercial laws,so I had to learn um the
practicalities.
I'd learnt the paper, the bookwork, but I had to learn the
practicalities of doing domesticconveyancing, for example, and
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wills and probates and things.
So, and then that that was in2009 when I actually started
doing, sorry, it was 2000 when Idid that.
So, yeah, but joining thechurch was the best thing I
could have done.
But I made a mistake.
I got chased by an old friend,uh neighbor.
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He was very, very kind, and Inever thought anything otherwise
than that.
But then his partner died, andhe started coming after me and
telling me, you know, how lonelyhe was and how I'm such a silly
girl that I took him, you know,I thought.
So I broke my covenant, youknow which one, I'm sure.
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Um so but before that I had gotin 20, 2009, I had um I had
been baptized, and I wasabsolutely adamant I wasn't
going to break my vows.
But it happened.
I had to go and confess.
No, I had to, I had to to formyself.
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I couldn't, I couldn't not tellthem because I knew what I did
was completely wrong.
And it's all right to breakyour promise to men, but not to
God.
And and it it didn't hit meuntil after I didn't it.
I put it down to loneliness, Ithink.
We do stupid things when whenwe feel lonely and we feel
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afraid.
But anyway, that was no excuse.
So I told them, and um and theysaid to me, Can you promise not
to have that kind ofrelationship with him?
And I said, No.
I thought he was genuine.
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But anyway, but I still went tochurch.
Everybody was gossiping aboutme.
I could feel it, but maybe it'smy imagination, but I don't
think so.
But anyway, I I went to church,and I tell you, Alisha, I read
everything there was to read.
What's it called?
Oh god, it's gone up my head.
Uh about that's it.
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Oh, and then enduring to theend, and I I studied it and
studied it and till it was sortof written on my heart, you
know, and and I made thatpromise to myself that that
would not happen.
So, anyway, we got married in2018.
So I got rebaptized in 2020,and that sort of allowed me then
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to go um to take my temple umordinances, and I'd really
wanted to do some work for mymum because she was following
the Christian faith towards theend of her life.
So I managed only recently, buta couple of years back now, I
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managed to to um get my motherbaptized and my grandparents on
both sides, my mother and myfather's, and um and then
they've been sealed.
My mum and my dad have beensealed to their respective
parents.
So now, after I finish writingthis book and getting that out,
and I will um I'm starting toget information about my other
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family.
It's up to them whether theyaccept it or not, but I consider
it my job, because I'm the onlyone in the family that belongs
to the church, to give them theopportunity.
Because I've been, um, when Ifirst went started, uh, joined
the church, I used to go withthe youngsters and do baptisms,
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and I assure you, I could seethe people waiting on the other
side to be to have to have theirwork done.
Alisha Coakley (17:19):
So, um sorry, I was just gonna ask, so um uh so
when you told your bishop thatyou weren't ready to give it for
that relationship, you you werejust fellowships or
excommunicated from the church?
Because you said somethingabout being rebaptized.
Yes, I was, and it wasshocking.
Aisha Jermy (17:38):
How long was it?
Yeah, four years, I think.
But I still went to church, Ididn't take, do you know?
It's so painful not being ableto take sacraments, but I wasn't
going to, I wasn't going to toturn my back.
I knew it was in the rightplace, and you know, I had my
patriarchal blessing done, andit said to me, in there, be
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careful, you're so important tothe church.
He said, be careful, thinkbefore you act, sort of.
And it's it went right out ofmy head, but I think it was
meant to be because by doingthat, I have had to learn so
much about the the how amazingum the atonement is and how
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forgiving the Lord is in thistime, in so many ways.
Our Lord Jesus has has made itclear to me that He's forgiven
me and He knows and understandshow I fell into those things.
It was just the most amazingthing.
And it's helped me to writethese books as well because we
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all make mistakes, no one is isabove it.
And if we can help each other,I wish people wouldn't feel so
bad.
Yes, feel bad, but don't giveup the place where you know
you're you're at, that it's theright place to be.
I I can't understand howanybody could leave the church
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at all.
I mean, I I've listened to thebook that um Scott, yeah.
I I I listened to that'samazing, all that that work, and
I appreciate how much work ittook to get all that information
and to put it into a way thatyou know it's understandable and
and and digestible and it'samazing.
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And I hope a lot of people willlisten, would have listened to
it.
But sometimes, you know, thething you need most is the thing
you run away from.
That seems to be the way, yeah.
Alisha Coakley (19:51):
Um that's I like that that's pretty
powerful, it's very it's veryaccurate too sometimes.
Aisha Jermy (19:57):
Well, my I myself has done have done it, you know.
When you should listen, youdon't want to hear, you you want
to do what you want to do, andthen when you have to bear the
consequences of that, uh I I Imean, I'm one of those people
where I say, Well, you've causedit to yourself.
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I I don't like anyone saying tome, Well, you've made your bed
lie in it, but I I canacknowledge that that was my
fault when it, you know, and Iand I have to put it right.
You know, don't hide.
I don't try and hide.
If I make a mistake, I face it.
And that's the only thingthat's kept me sane and alive,
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really.
I I danced to the the music ofthe Lord's drum, nobody else's.
I made that decision a longtime ago.
I've read so many self-helpbooks.
I'm my own actor, director, andproducer of my life.
Scott Brandley (20:57):
So, what what started you on this path or this
idea of writing books aboutabout the church?
Aisha Jermy (21:05):
Well, I think I had a revelation because I was
working on another book.
I was working on my um on my uhautobiography, and that was
depressing me.
I thought, I'm not gonna writea book that I'm not can't be
truthful, and I can't betruthful because it's gonna hurt
a lot of people, because that'smy perception of my life, it's
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not necessarily theirperception.
So I got this revelation, andum, and it was because I was
worried as to why so manypeople, uh old and new, were
leaving the church.
And and I sat down one day andI worked out all the things that
I think may be the problem, andthen I sent it away.
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I said I showed it to my my myum bishop, and then uh they said
they couldn't tell me what youknow anything about it, so I
sent it off to Utah, and thenthey wrote back and said, Thank
you very much, but we're workingon these things.
So I thought, fine, you do yourbit, and then I'll do my bit.
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So I started drafting you knowthe outline I had.
I started filling it out withthe kind of information that I
thought would be useful.
Um and that and it went on fromthere, but it was such a
compulsion.
I it's very difficult toexplain to anybody else because
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they don't seem to be ascompelled as I am with things,
or maybe it's just my nature,but I couldn't leave it.
I couldn't sleep when I can'tsleep at night, I come and work
on it, you know.
So I've got the first one.
There wasn't too difficult, thefirst one, because I'd got to
grips with that, with all thatthe work I had to do when I was
a naughty girl.
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Um, but the second book washarder because I put in some
things about how hard I found itafter the my first divorce, uh,
because my children were therewhen their father attacked me.
And that had a terrible,terrible detrimental effect on
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their health.
So and and my ability to copeas well.
Um, we went through a terribletime, the children, the boys and
I.
Um, they wanted to talk and Icouldn't talk.
Um, so that was a tough time.
Well, it it's I've put somebits of it in there, uh, that
the difficulties, because I'msure I'm not the only woman
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that's had that sort of thing.
And how do you cope?
How do you deal with thechildren and yourself and and
the difficulties?
I don't know if anybody willfind it of any use.
I I um I'm dyslexic anyway.
It's a hard job.
The older I get, the harder itis to handle that.
Um, so sometimes I I I don'tuse the right tense, or I I get
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so excited about writing, Idon't think about the other
things that goes into gettingmaking the writing good writing.
But now I've got hold of myselfand I will not let anything go
until I'm at least two-thirdscomfortable with it.
Not 100%, you can never be100%, I don't believe.
But yeah, so I do I do that.
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I have put some of that inthere.
Um and I hope it helpssomebody.
Uh, and the third book as well,it's the same thing.
You know, why do you putyourself under so much stress,
Aisha?
Why do you but the Lord wantsme to?
Why does he want me to?
Because he wants me to grow, hewants me to understand, he
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wants to use me.
I feel 100% he wants to use meto help other women who haven't
had the opportunities I perhapshad over here.
Well, you said about wanting toteach people, and that is
correct.
Um, but I had to think how todo it.
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You know, it's it's an organicthing.
I'm taking coaching, I'm havinga uh I've got a wonderful
coach.
She is a Christ-centered, youknow, uh faith-filled coach, and
and everybody in that group arefaith-filled people.
So I found my tribe, if youlike.
I can I can thrive and I canlearn.
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It's taken quite some time tofind, because I'm not motivated
by money.
You tell me how to earn money,it's not going to motivate me to
learn.
I learned, I studied lawbecause I was left alone with
two children and I didn't wantto be hand to mouth.
I wanted them to have the bestthat I could give them.
And that's why I put myselfthrough that for them.
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And they have come, they'velearned, they've watched me work
and study and get a good job.
And so they learned from that,and they both went out into the
world and did that forthemselves.
So now that my older boy canactually help me, because you
don't want to know what they'redoing here with our pensions.
The one thing I didn't likeabout having a business is
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you've got to charge people.
And by the time I realized ifyou don't charge people, you
can't stay in business.
It was getting a bit difficult.
But but I did my, I saw myclients coming to me as God
sending these people to me.
I had a duty to them to do thebest for them.
And some people are they theyshoot themselves in the foot
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because they're not listening towhat you say, and they want you
to use you as a weapon, andthat's not what I'm there for.
So anybody like that, I said,I'm sorry, I can't take your
job.
You know, so so I wasn't aftermoney or anything, I just wanted
to be able to keep my familytogether.
Um, I didn't want a flash car.
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People said, one woman said tome, Well, you can't be a proper
solicitor.
I said, Why?
She said, Look at the car youdrive.
I said, I drive that kind ofcar, madam, because I don't want
to charge people exorbitantsums of money.
Uh I wanted to say to youthough, that I heard some, I
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listened to quite a few of yourum podcasts, and I loved the
young man.
You might remember him, GrantJohnson.
He was only 24, and he'd comeout, yeah, he'd got through
addiction, and I fell in lovewith that young man.
I wish they were more like him,and maybe they are in the
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church.
I mean, he talked about, I'vegot here what a wise young man.
He talked about mindfulness.
At 24, I have two kids and abasket for a husband, but nobody
ever talked to me.
I didn't know anything about mymindfulness.
And being aware of your bodyand your senses, and giving
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yourself time to find out what'sgoing on.
You know, don't just jump fromone thing to another.
Well, I certainly didn't.
There was eight years betweenmy first marriage and my second
marriage when I got my lawdegree and my solicitor's finals
and found myself a job.
But anyway, this young man, umthis thing about, you know,
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you've got to process youremotions.
My God, I wasn't even allowedto have emotions.
My dad used to whack me if Ishowed any emotion.
So you can you can understandwhy I'm a bit crazy.
So um, you know, but he youknow, process your emotions.
I'm 74 in two months' time, andI'm just learning to be kind to
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myself and process my emotionsand find out whether they're
real or not.
You know, where are theyleading me?
Don't just act on the emotions,find out what's going on inside
yourself.
And so I was really happy to toto hear him.
And there was a there was anice woman sitting on the
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settee, and she said something,I I don't didn't catch her name,
but she said something that Ireally, really loved and I would
never forget.
And and I don't know if anybodyelse, I hope other people
picked it up.
And what she said was HeavenlyFather wants us, hopes that we
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want to go back to him.
Now, if you're gonna live inone of his mansions, then surely
you need to get to know him, tofind out what he likes and what
he doesn't like, what heappreciates and what He doesn't
appreciate.
You know, you can't expect togo to the celestial kingdom to a
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place where you know nothingabout the the the father and the
son that live there.
I thought that was fabulous,what she said.
And that Jesus spoke to her allthe time.
I mean, my goodness, she isblessed to have Jesus speak to
her.
You know, I I talk to him allthe time, and I have a go, you
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know, occasionally, you know,where are you?
Why are you quiet?
But I've discovered why.
When the Lord is movingmountains and oceans to get the
get the universe in alignmentwith what you want and what he
wants to give you, how is hegoing to have time to stand
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around and chick-chat with you?
He's going to be quiet becausehe's busy.
But I've seen that in my ownlife.
And and I thought, you crazywoman, why are you expecting him
to be wanting to talk to youall the time?
He hasn't got time.
He's got so many things he'sgot to do to make things happen
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for you.
Yeah.
Scott Brandley (31:14):
All right.
So looking back on your life,what you know, like what are
some of your thoughts, likeseeing where where your life has
gone and and now where it is,and and finding the church and
the gospel, like, tell us alittle bit about reflecting on
your life.
Aisha Jermy (31:34):
Right.
Um, I did uh uh because mysecond husband passed away uh uh
just over a year ago.
Um I made up with him, youknow, I wasn't angry with him
anymore.
I was just sad before him.
Uh but I realized that if I hadto do it all over again, I
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probably wouldn't do anythingdifferent.
Because I made a promise tomyself early on in my life that
whatever happens, I'm gonnahandle it and I'm going to enjoy
what I can of it and and umlearn from the rest.
And with the first marriage, umI really could see us doing
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really, really well, but he wasmentally ill.
But fortunately, the boysaren't.
The boys are so clever, and Iwould not change being with him
because I have two amazing sons,incredible sons, and they loved
me to death.
So mind you, they keep me atarm's length because I can go on
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a bit and I can stick my nosein where it shouldn't be.
But that's all mothers for you.
I'm learning.
I mean, he told me off theother day, the older one, and I
didn't argue with him.
He said, Mother, stop tellingme I don't look well.
So I thought, okay, sorry.
So I apologized and I think hefelt bad.
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But anyway, yeah.
So I I I've got two beautifulboys, and then with the second
one, I mean, he was a nutcasewith money, but then I got a
beautiful daughter.
She is drop dead gorgeous,clever.
She went to Rada, the RoyalAcademy of Dramatic Arts, and
um, and she's done some actingwork, and now she's um she's
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married, and uh she's got um areally, really good job.
She's got two beautiful littlegirls, and my son, my last one,
he is uh 30 now, and he's now ina job that he's really enjoying
because it allows him to be uhcreative and um and his own boss
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to quite a great extent.
Uh, I have done, I realized inhindsight that I wasn't such, I
wasn't so awful as I was made tofeel or I felt.
You know, yeah, we had troublewith the father, but the sons
and the kids are really amazing.
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You know, I couldn't want forbetter.
So I'm happy that I had the menI had.
Even Eric, you know, I I'vereally enjoyed the first few
months of being married to Eric.
But he kept trying to tie me,tie me down with him.
And I said, Eric, I'm 10 yearsyounger, darling.
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No, come with me, stay at home,you your choice.
But I'm gonna have my life.
I don't think that's unfair.
Yeah.
I really don't.
But if anybody needs anythingand they call on me, I'm there.
If he wanted, he could call onme, I'll be there.
But I'm not pushing myself in asituation where I'm going to be
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unknowingly be unhappy.
What's the point?
I haven't come this far to beunhappy.
Right.
Scott Brandley (35:04):
Um and and then what about the what about
finding the church later on inlife?
What are your thoughts on that?
Aisha Jermy (35:12):
I am so grateful.
I'm glad you asked thatquestion.
Alex, I'm so grateful to havefound the church.
I thank God every day I say myprayers, I say thank you, Lord,
for leading me to your church.
I don't understand why youwaited till I was in my mid-50s,
but then somebody said to me, Isaid, This is something, and
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they said to me, Well, he wantedyou to have the experiences
that you've had so you wouldhave tolerance and understanding
when you're teaching thelessons that he wants you to
teach.
And I think that's right.
If you don't have theseexperiences, you go around with
your nose in the air thinkingyou're better than everybody
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else, and it's not true.
We're all fallible, and I'mhappy to to to embrace my
fallibility because I think thatmakes me human and it makes me
a better friend and a bettermother and a better sister and
um a better person.
Scott Brandley (36:15):
You know, like everybody has their own
struggles in life.
Your your struggles are uniqueto you, yeah.
But they they're also what helpus to become who we are, they
refine us, right?
And turn us into what we who weare and what we need to be.
Alisha Coakley (36:29):
Absolutely.
And um and and now you've doneyou've written a few books too,
which is great.
And so now you have all of thatknowledge that you can put to
your books.
And so tell us, is you thethird book?
Is that like the the finalbook, or do you have plans for
other ones in the future afterthis third one?
Aisha Jermy (36:49):
Well, the third one is uh that's what that's as far
as I thought.
But then I read the acts, but Ithink I've put some of them in
there.
I think the Lord put me, got meto do those books so I could
know his word.
I could you can't talk uh toanybody else unless you know the
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words that Lord Jesus taught.
And you know, Alisha, what I'vediscovered, our Lord Jesus
Christ has got a wicked sense ofhumor.
He really has.
Oh my gosh, I can't believe it.
Oh, yeah.
Because he's got he's got.
Um and if you're reading itwith a straight face and a
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straight mind in the sense of,you know, you're reading it
because you've got to read it,not reading it with your brain
engaged, you think, well, that'sa bit strange.
Well, because I that's how Istarted doing it.
I thought, well, I'm sure hedoesn't mean what he's saying
like that.
You know, there must besomething more behind it.
And then you find he's beingsarcastic in a way, you know,
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maybe it's just the way my mindworks, but I'm thinking, he's
having a little dig.
And sometimes I'll tell yousomething else I found.
He says things, and if you takeit at face value, you're gonna
go barking up the wrong tree andyou're gonna make mistakes.
Uh and I've thought about thisquite a lot, that people do
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wrong things, not even realizingit's wrong.
For example, just if you givethem change in a shop, and the
shop the person gives you toomuch, a lot of people walk away
thinking, Oh, I've got one overon them.
I'm I'm going, you know, I'vegot to be extra.
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I can't do that.
I say, look, are you sureyou've given me the right amount
back?
Shouldn't it be less?
And they think that's reallyfunny.
unknown (38:49):
You know.
Aisha Jermy (38:51):
But that's called honesty.
God does He doesn't miss athing.
Not a thing.
Somebody else, you know, twothings.
Something didn't come and theysaid it didn't come, and then
they sent another one and theydidn't send the first one back
or check.
Because at least you ring andsay, Look, oh, it's come.
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Do you want me to send it back?
And they could say yes or no.
But if you keep it withoutasking that, that's dishonest,
is it not?
You know, so many tiny littleways you can blot your copy
book.
It's a it's just amazing.
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Absolutely amazing.
Most people don't even thinkabout it.
And I didn't always, I mean,with the with the money thing,
yes, because I was alwaysworried the person that's
working there would have to makeup the difference or something
if if their till was short.
But there are other things Idid that now I would not do.
(39:53):
But but the church, why I lovethe church so much.
People are people.
You don't go to the church forthe people.
If they're nice people, you'relucky.
But we're people.
Sometimes we feel in the moodto talk, sometimes we don't.
Sometimes we feel friendly,sometimes we don't.
I go to church and I'm smilingall the time because I'm so
(40:17):
grateful that the Lord hasbrought me there, you know.
Um, but you go to church forthe Lord, and you know, when you
and and uh you discussed uhabout why people left, you know,
(40:37):
those two people that left whenScott uh took uh became um the
the bishop.
Yeah yeah, you know, why wouldanybody look for something to
find fault with with the church?
We don't understand so much ofwhat is in the gospel, what's in
(41:01):
the what's in the Bible, andand we don't live in that time.
It's not for us.
If you're looking for somethingto get upset about and to
leave, you will find it.
Three marriages, I tell you,it's easy to find it because you
(41:21):
want out, and it's the samewith with our Lord Jesus.
If you want to find a way out,you will find it.
But why?
Why would you want to find away out when you know you're in
the right place?
Scott Brandley (41:38):
You don't you don't Yeah, what what what does
the world have to offer yououtside of the blessings of the
gospel?
I mean, there's nothing you'renever gonna find something
that's gonna fill that fullness.
Aisha Jermy (41:53):
No, no, and and when I come out of church, you
see this face?
I think it's like this at thisage, because everybody tells me
they don't believe me, because Ibelieve.
I trust you've got to show meyou're I can't trust you, but I
(42:16):
will trust you until you show meyou can't I can't trust you.
Most people are, I'm not gonnatrust you until you show me I
can trust you.
So if I take knocks because ofmy way of looking at it, that's
fine.
The Lord has made me strongenough to handle that, and and
and it doesn't, yes, it mightknock me down, but I'll get up
(42:37):
again.
So I don't know whether I'mright or not, but I think I am
because I'll tell you why.
Last year, when What's his facepassed my number two, and then
I had to sell off my propertiesfor next to nothing because he
(42:57):
was you, you know, he didn'tknow how to look after them, but
he wanted to be in charge ofthem.
He he actually said to me, hepushed me out of the house, my
own house, my house, and um andand and turned my kids against
me when I joined the church.
Because he was so angry that Ijoined the church.
(43:20):
He just wouldn't let me sleep,he wouldn't let me eat, he
wouldn't let me rest in thehouse.
So he I had to find somewhereto live.
Now, not not many people can dothat.
But I was working, so I wasable to do it.
And I've always said I'd ratherbe a bag lady or live in a
(43:40):
caravan than live in a homewhere I am not happy, where I
cry every night.
That is not life, and I'm nothaving it anymore.
So being in the church hasgiven me such courage, such, I
mean, my strength was waning.
As I said in 2008, uh, I wasreally low, and that's why I
(44:04):
think the Lord, I was honestlythinking of walking into the
North Sea and not walking outagain.
And that's a wicked thing tothink.
So wrong.
And that I think is why theLord sent David Rogers to me,
you know, or put me to sit nextto him.
(44:25):
Because I got to know, youknow, I went and saw the family
I stayed with his because hiswife, she and I got very, very
friendly on, you know, somessaging each other back and
forth.
And then the cancer came back,and I asked her if I can come
and see her, because I couldfear she was gonna go.
So um, so she said yes, and wehad a mate, it was like we were
(44:50):
sisters forever, you know.
We just jailed.
And she took me around all overthe place and showed me things
and told me, you know, they hadto sell so much of what they had
to pay for the uh chemo and allthis business.
And she passed away in 2013,which was really, really sad.
But I had that time with herand I've got lovely memories
(45:13):
with her.
So it opened up my world beingin the church.
And now, when I thought that Ihad used up all my money with
the with the second lot ofchildren and him not working,
that um I could not I could nolonger keep the promise to
myself to go to go um traveling.
(45:36):
And what happens?
I sent a note to my son to saythat I was having difficulty
because they stopped, they keptmy my private pension, I
couldn't pay my rent.
And he phoned me up and askedme some questions, and he said,
Well, mother, I will pay yourrent.
(45:57):
I I'd never I'd never thoughtthat, you know, would never
think to ask him.
And I said, Well, how long for?
He said, As long as you live.
And I then I said to him, Isaid to him, I mean, I've never
asked him for anything, any ofmy children, ever.
I'm the breadwinner.
(46:19):
And then he said to me, Mother,I don't like you having to be
there in the winter time.
I'm going to arrange for you.
I know that I have this ladythat does my uh travel
arrangements for me, but I don'tuse her now.
But I will get her involved andyou tell her where you want to
go, and she will book it all foryou.
And I've been able to travelwherever that's God, that's not
(46:46):
me.
That is amazing, absolutelyincredible.
So every day I wake up, I'm sohappy to wake up.
I say thank you for giving meanother day, you know, and and
thank you for watching over me.
And it's just phenomenal.
(47:06):
And I look for every littleblessing because they're there.
If you look for them, you can'tfeel sorry for yourself like I
used to.
I used to think I was so harddone by, and I was, but I'm not
anymore.
Changed my whole mindset.
That's awesome.
Alisha Coakley (47:24):
Well, I love that you have that perspective
where it's like you're gonnafind exactly what you're looking
for.
And so if you're looking forthe negative and you're looking
for the the reasons why you're avictim and why things are going
wrong for you, you'reabsolutely gonna find evidence
for that, and vice versa.
Um, Aisha, we have just reallyenjoyed having you on today and
and having you share your storywith us.
(47:45):
Is there anything that you'dlike to kind of wrap up and and
leave with our guests who arewho are listening right now?
Aisha Jermy (47:52):
Well, I just want to one thing uh about my books,
and then I would like to say alittle thing about um quickly.
Yes, I know.
Um I've written these twoTankamun books, and that I I
researched, that's the first,second, and third.
It's a it's a trilogy, and it'sbecause you know I married an
(48:14):
Egyptian, my second one was anEgyptian, and I got into um
Egyptology and and and then Ihad my son, and and I wanted I I
went to the Cairo Museum andand saw the the um the
exhibition there of what theyfound uh in his tomb, and it
(48:37):
just took hold of me, and thatwas it.
It took me 12 years ofresearching while I was working,
and then the minute I retired Istarted writing.
I mean, I've never I've alwayswanted to write, but I never had
the chance, you know, becauseyou're working.
And I've done I've done thislittle one, it's a collection of
(48:57):
short stories, Tales forTwilight.
You know, it they are ghoststories, well, they call it
ghost stories, but I actually,these are things I actually
experienced, and uh, and poetryfor the mature.
Yeah, and and I've done acouple of little children's
books, The Seven Voyages ofSinbad the Sailor, which I
(49:19):
thought would really helpchildren that's had to go live
through um COVID and being fearbeing big so fearful.
And this is and and Sinbad isnot all swashbuckling, it's a
how he thinks outside the boxand how he deals with
difficulties that I think wouldhelp children enormously,
(49:40):
whether it does or not.
And I've done the children'sone of Tutankhamun.
Um and yeah, that that one hasgot questions and answers um
after each chapter.
But anyway, yes.
So what I would really, reallyCan you find it on Amazon?
(50:01):
Yes, Amazon, and I've got a penname.
My pen name is ADP SerisiS-O-R-I-S-I, which is an anagram
of the god Osiris, the ancientgod of Egypt.
So um very cool.
Thank you.
Uh, what I would say is is thisbusiness of one thing that
(50:26):
Julie, the wife who's passedaway of the man who told me
about the place, hergreat-great-grandfather was Pali
P.
Pratt.
And the one thing that Juliesaid, yeah, really the one thing
that Julie said to me when wemet is Aisha, never ever leave
(50:47):
the church.
Whatever happens, you do notleave the church.
And I've held on to thatbecause there's nothing outside,
as you said, Scott, that couldmake up and help you to cope
with life like the scriptures,like the gospel, and like the
(51:09):
Holy Ghost.
If you're listening, and theHoly Ghost, they don't repeat
themselves.
She doesn't, it doesn't repeatitself.
If you don't listen and youdon't act, it's gone.
And I say, Don't under it,don't worry about whether you
understand it or not.
If it tells you to dosomething, go and do it, and
(51:30):
don't expect anything back fromthe person you're doing it for,
because your your gift will comeand your thanks will come from
God, not from the person you'vedone it for.
So that's my last take on that.
And I'm I'm I'm glad youenjoyed it, but I hope I didn't
babble on too much.
Alisha Coakley (51:51):
No, it was it was wonderful.
Aisha Jermy (51:53):
Thank you.
You might have me on again someother time.
Alisha Coakley (51:58):
We love it, yes.
We'll have to have you back formore adventures.
Thank you again for coming.
We you are just such a sweetdelight, and we're so glad that
that you were able to reach outto us and that you have these
books available for everyone tokind of purchase and to learn
from.
Um, we will definitely sharelinks to those in the
description if anyone'sinterested.
(52:19):
And um, you know, we would justlove to encourage our listeners
to do their five-secondmissionary work.
Hit that share button andcomment and just let us know one
of the favorite parts ofAisha's story that you guys
resonated with us today.
Aisha Jermy (52:33):
Thank you.
And I want to say thank you,sorry, just very quickly to to
Maureen Heel because she's notvery well, but I went to visit
her and she's one of um, she'sbeen in the church a long time,
and she introduced me to youryour your she was listening to
your podcast and uh and she andand and she listens every time
(52:58):
she says and she said to me, Whydon't you get in touch, Aisha?
I said, Well, it's probablygoing to be difficult.
She said, No, no, no, just try,just try.
I might see you on heresometime.
So when will I be when will Ibe on, you know, so I can tell
her.
You let me know.
Alisha Coakley (53:14):
Yes, we'll let you know.
Aisha Jermy (53:15):
Okay, because I'd like to go see it with her.
Scott Brandley (53:18):
Yeah.
And thanks, Maureen, fortelling us about Aisha.
So thanks everybody for tuningin.
Um, and come in and watch usnext week for another episode of
Latter Day Lights.
Till then, take care.
Bye-bye.
Aisha Jermy (53:46):
I'm glad.
Scott, I'm terrible, Scott, forthis.
Oh, I think.
Scott Brandley (53:50):
Well, no, I I can cut to you.
Alisha Coakley (53:53):
I I just love you.
I said, I just love you.
Like you're you're cracking meup.
I love it.
Scott Brandley (53:58):
Yeah, we love your energy.
Aisha Jermy (54:00):
You'll probably cut it all off.
No.
Alisha Coakley (54:03):
What I wanted to say.
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