Lead & Follow
Lead & Follow offers a candid discussion of teamwork, collaboration, and professional development. Host Sharna Fabiano talks with scholars, educators, and artists to explore the relational dance between people who work together, and what actually makes for extraordinary outcomes.
Episodes
Full transcript and show notes: https://www.sharnafabiano.com/2026/08/19/leading-through-invitation-creating-meaningful-participation-flora-bowley/
How do you lead a creative workshop without deciding in advance what participants should create, feel, or discover? Artist and creative guide Flora Bowley designs one-day gatherings with simple prompts and light structure, then leaves enough open space for participa...
Full transcript and show notes: https://www.sharnafabiano.com/2026/07/29/how-to-lead-ai-before-it-leads-you-ai-literacy-elena-filatova/
Most conversations about AI ask "how do we control it?" Sharna Fabiano asks a more useful question: how do you lead AI so it doesn't end up leading you? In this episode, she talks with Elena Filatova about the mechanics behind how AI actually generates answers — and why u...
Full transcript and show notes: https://www.sharnafabiano.com/2026/07/29/managing-up-how-executive-assistants-shape-executive-decision-making/
What if some of the most influential people in an organization aren't the ones making the final decision? Drawing on his research into executive assistants and his experience designing leadership development for the FDIC, Dr. Basil Read explains how influence flows throu...
Full transcript and show notes: https://www.sharnafabiano.com/2026/07/29/the-future-of-leadership-why-great-teams-need-more-than-leaders-robert-kelley/
What if the future of leadership isn't about finding stronger leaders—but about creating better ways for people to work together?
Leadership pioneer Robert Kelley returns to explore how organizations, communities, and citizens are moving beyond traditiona...
Full transcript and show notes: https://www.sharnafabiano.com/2026/07/29/psychological-safety-isnt-only-your-bosss-job-how-teams-actually-build-it-kinsey-hansen/
We usually hear that psychological safety as something leaders create for their teams. In this episode, Sharna explores new research with Dr. Kinsey Hansen that demonstrates something different–that every member of a team has a part in establis...
Full transcript and show notes: https://www.sharnafabiano.com/2026/07/29/how-ceos-and-boards-build-trust-the-relationship-that-shapes-organizations-otto-henfling/
The relationship between a CEO and a board of directors can determine whether an organization thrives or struggles. What happens when we start seeing governance as a collaborative relationship?
In this episode, Sharna talks with governance advisor Ot...
Full transcript and show notes: https://www.sharnafabiano.com/2026/07/29/the-tango-waits-for-you-chapter-4-night-of-spirits/
The Tango Waits For You is a 4-part documentary series that tells the story of the first year of building a brand-new tango community in Long Beach, California. It’s both my story, of losing a dream and finding it again, and it’s also a story of dozens of people coming...
Full transcript and show notes: https://www.sharnafabiano.com/2026/07/29/beyond-traditional-leadership-how-collaboration-expands-our-capacity-to-lead-sharna-fabiano-amy-lombardo/
This is a reverse interview with coach and author, Amy Lombardo, originally recorded for the podcast, Human Not Hacked.
What if becoming a better leader is not about gaining more control—but learning how to connect more d...
Full transcript and show notes: https://www.sharnafabiano.com/2026/07/29/the-tango-waits-for-you-chapter-3-community/
The Tango Waits For You is a 4-part documentary series that tells the story of the first year of building a brand-new tango community in Long Beach, California. It’s both my story, of losing a dream and finding it again, and it’s also a story of dozens of people coming together by ...
Full transcript and show notes: https://www.sharnafabiano.com/2026/07/29/the-tango-waits-for-you-chapter-2-altar-society/
The Tango Waits For You is a 4-part documentary series that tells the story of the first year of building a brand-new tango community in Long Beach, California. It’s both my story, of losing a dream and finding it again, and it’s also a story of dozens of people coming together...
Full transcript and show notes: https://www.sharnafabiano.com/2026/07/29/the-tango-waits-for-you-chapter-1-the-dream/
The Tango Waits For You is a 4-part documentary series that tells the story of the first year of building a brand-new tango community in Long Beach, California. It’s both my story, of losing a dream and finding it again, and it’s also a story of dozens of people coming together by ...
Full transcript and show notes: https://www.sharnafabiano.com/2026/07/29/how-argentine-tango-changes-the-way-we-connect-sharna-fabiano-dan-istrate/
For many people, Argentine tango becomes more than a dance—it becomes a way of experiencing connection, presence, and relationship. In this reverse interview, Sharna Fabiano reflects with actor and director Dan Istrate on her own journey with tango, from her...
Full transcript and show notes: https://www.sharnafabiano.com/2026/07/29/why-employees-choose-to-follow-leaders-culture-and-context-at-work-maike-kugler/
Why do people choose to support a leader in one situation but resist the same person in another? Dr. Maike Kugler challenges the idea that being a leader or a follower is a fixed role or personality trait. Her research explores instead how the choice to foll...
Full transcript and show notes: https://www.sharnafabiano.com/2026/07/29/toxic-boss-in-tech-the-research-on-what-actually-works-karen-perham-lippman/
Many of us feel powerless when work environments become dysfunctional. In this episode, Sharna speaks with Dr. Karen Perham-Lippman about her research on toxic leadership in the technology industry and the ways employees respond to it. Karen explains why s...
Full transcript and show notes: https://www.sharnafabiano.com/2026/07/29/how-self-managing-teams-work-collaboration-without-a-single-leader-chris-mono/
What happens when a team stops waiting for someone at the top to make everything happen? Chris Monö explores why effective groups do not always need more direction from leaders—they need shared purpose, mutual responsibility, and the ability to use leade...
Full transcript and show notes: https://www.sharnafabiano.com/2026/07/29/beyond-social-dance-how-tango-builds-connection-through-movement-thomas-rieser/
What happens when the principles of Argentine tango move beyond the dance floor? Thomas Rieser explores how simple tango exercises can help people experience deeper connection, presence, and group awareness—even outside the world of social dance.
Thomas ...
Full transcript and show notes: https://www.sharnafabiano.com/2026/07/29/how-to-be-an-effective-ally-when-supporting-a-movement-means-following-not-leading-ashton-r-cooper/
What does it mean to support a movement without making yourself the center of it? Dr. Ashton R. Cooper examines this question through his research on White activists who participated in the Black-led Civil Rights Movement of the 1960s. His...
Full transcript and show notes: https://www.sharnafabiano.com/2026/07/29/tango-leadership-how-partnership-replaces-command-and-control-veronica-toumanova/
Argentine tango challenges a common assumption about leadership: that leading means giving commands and following means simply obeying. Tango artist Veronica Toumanova explores how the dance reveals a different model—one based on listening, responsive...
Full transcript and show notes: https://www.sharnafabiano.com/2026/07/29/season-4-preview-excerpt-of-my-book/
Lately, I’ve been thinking a lot about the need to get away from digital life and back to in person life, and as beautiful as it is to connect online with folks everywhere, it’s also really important to be in both the same time and the same place with others in a full body way.
So in ...
Full transcript and show notes: https://www.sharnafabiano.com/2026/07/29/why-great-teams-dont-depend-on-one-leader-the-science-of-shared-influence-ron-riggio/
What changes when we stop assuming the leader is the person who makes things happen and everyone else simply follows? Dr. Ron Riggio explores two decades of followership research showing that effective teams are built through mutual influence, shared re...
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