September 25, 2024 • 32 mins
Carlamay Sheremata's story is one of resilience, persistence, and an unwavering commitment to empowering the youth. She shares how a desire for gender equality drove her unexpected career in law enforcement and gives us a sneak peek into her upcoming book, "Youth Truth: Engaging in Conversations that Can Change Lives." Her journey is sure to inspire and motivate anyone facing their own challenges.
Carlamay highlights how her Christian values have influenced her leadership style and everyday interactions. We'll also explore how participating in LeaderImpact groups has fostered profound personal and professional growth for her and many others.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Welcome to the Leader Impact Podcast.
We are a community of leaderswith a network in over 350
cities around the world,dedicated to optimizing our
personal, professional andspiritual lives to have impact.
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I'm your host, Lisa Peters, andour guest today is Carlamay
Sheremata.
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Carlamay, with over two decadesof dedicated service, she has
navigated the diverse landscapeof law enforcement, contributing
her skills to various specialtyunits.
As a passionate advocate forempowerment, particularly of Ca
rlamay, worked tirelessly touplift and support those around
her.
Carlamay's journey has beenmarked by resilience, overcoming
the challenges of survivingcancer, embracing single
parenthood and navigating thecomplexities of PTSD diagnosis.
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Embracing the unconventional,Carlamay never conformed to
societal expectations, choosinginstead to live outside the
confines of the proverbial box,paving her unique path with
purpose and determination.
Beyond her commitment to lawenforcement, Carlam ay channeled
her experiences into acompelling narrative.
Through writing a book, shestrives to bridge the
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generational gap, shedding lighton what youth learn for their
parents, teachers and friends tocomprehend.
Her exploration delves into theunspoken desires, offering
insights into the questions thatlinger in their minds,
fostering a deeper understandingand connection.
It's her endeavor to amplifythe voices of the younger
generation and facilitatemeaningful conversations that
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transcend the conventionalboundaries of communication.
Welcome to the show, Carlam ay.
Thank you, excited to be here.
It is great to have you, andyou have a book coming out.
I didn't even know that until Iread your bio.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Yes, I do.
It's called Youth Truth: Engaging in Conversations that (02:14):
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Can Change Lives.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Wow.
Well, I hope we'll talk aboutthat, We'll bring that up.
We're going to get started,though, and we you know cause we
always start with hearing alittle bit more about you.
So we want to hear a little bitabout about your professional
story and how you got to whereyou are today, and if you have a
couple of snapshots, you knowthose pivotal turning points
along the way, Sure.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Well, so I I guess I was raised in in, I was born in
Edmonton, alberta, canada, andmoved to an early age or at an
early age to Calgary and I hadalways I guess I'd always loved
working with youth and youth hadalways been something that was
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on my kind of on my heart.
So even going to youth groupearly on and helping out, you
know, in the nursery and withthe younger kids and that kind
of stuff, I really reallyenjoyed that.
And as I went on and finisheduniversity, I really wanted to
work with young girls and kindof empower them in some way that
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I could.
But when I went forward to askif I could start, you know,
doing that and working withinthe schools, I was told I had to
go back and get a teachingdegree and I did not want to be
a teacher.
So I pivoted around and endedup going to in the oil and gas
side of things and startedworking in PR and marketing of
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things.
And started working in PR andmarketing and once that kind of
came to a head, at that point asa female it was hard to be able
to move up back then and thiswas, say, 20 plus, actually
almost 30 years ago, and so Iwas feeling kind of stuck, but
yet I felt, as a woman, I stillhad so much to offer, just like
the guys have to offer, and so Istarted looking at things and
different careers of where womenand men doing the same jobs get
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paid the same, and well, andyou know, because I was tired of
some of these guys.
You know they're making theirmillions of dollars and don't
know how to turn a photo backthen a photocopier, you know, or
their computers on or that kindof stuff, but yet I really
believe that both men and womenhave so much to offer together
that we could do so much asteams and funny policing kind of
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came forward, and mygrandfather was with the RCMP
and, being the onlygranddaughter my grandfather was
with the RCMP and, being theonly granddaughter, I don't
think this was something he everthought would cross my mind,
but I ended up applying to theCalgary Police Service, and
within two months, everythingwent through, so I knew the door
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had been opened.
During that time, though, Iended up getting diagnosed with
cervical cancer and um at 26years of age.
That was not common back then,and especially being a Christian
and stuff we had kind oflearned about what cervical
cancer was.
That just wasn't me and so Ikind of had a lot of shame that
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I was.
You know, I think I put a lotof shame on myself, but in the
Christian community it reallyfelt like I didn't really know
where to go from there.
Yet I knew I was so close togetting into the police service.
So I went through treatment andcontinued on in the process and
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ended up finishing treatmentand getting into the police and
starting classes.
And when I look back now thatwas a little crazy.
But I was younger, I had a lotmore, I think, resilience at
that time and I didn't want togive up.
I had come so far and I thinkfor myself I wanted to prove to
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myself that I could actually dothis.
So just getting into theservice now so we call it the
Calgary Police Service.
A lot of people still use theforce.
I might kind of use forceintertwining, but it is the
Calgary Police Service, so justto kind of put that out there.
But once I got onto the service,just kind of seeing what it
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actually took and was I reallyprepared for this I'm a real
girly girl.
I've got usually pink nails,hair and makeup done.
I love fashion, love clothing,and here I am in a blue
polyester uniform and you knowlike really not a girly girl
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type of profession, but I wasn'tgoing to change who I was, so I
never really fit into this boxof being a cop, because when I
got out of uniform nobody knewwhat I did, which was actually
kind of cool, uh.
So that kind of you know led thepath of the last uh, 21 years
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and I was able to do so much andI loved what I did in my career
of doing that and I guess, kindof going into one of the other
pivots that kind of changed thedirection of where God started
taking me was in my, I guess, my20th year I ended up dealing
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with bullying and harassment andI have never had to deal with
that in all of my 20 plus yearsin the service.
And when that hit I think it wasa point when God really stopped
me and started me looking at,you know, being aware of how my
body was feeling, what I wasactually going through and what
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would be and could be theoutcome of this and was it
really worth it for me mentally,physically, spiritually,
emotionally.
Where was that going to take me, and at that time I also ended
up getting diagnosed with PTSD.
And again, I think this waskind of one of those God moments
of him stepping in, reallystepping in and saying it's time
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to really take a hard look atwhat this is everything you've
done where you are now, and I'vegot something way better and
way more impactful that I wantyou to do.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
When you talked about the diagnosis of cervical
cancer, you mentioned shame.
How did that come?
What is explain that?
So your church family?
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Yeah, so it was.
So back then, um and I'm sayingback then cause it was uh, yeah
, it was a long time ago, um,when cervical cancer was not
something that was really talkedabout and the the people I'm
going to say that that ended upgetting it or it was being more
found in were people that werevery sexually active and that
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kind of thing, and that wasn'tsomebody who I was.
So for people that didn't knowme, you know people ask what
kind of cancer?
And you say it and you get thatlook.
Not only you know you have thebig C on your forehead.
There was that look and thosethat knew me through the church
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family, that was fine and dandy.
But then you have those otherpeople in the church family who
they ask what can we pray for?
And you know your family letsthem know this is you know what
you can pray for.
People always ask what kind ofcancer.
You say it, and then therewould be this look and then
there would be this look.
And you know it was hard atthose times and I think one of
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the things too is I just wantedpeople to have grace and mercy
and love and just accept me, andespecially during that time,
even just to call and say youknow what can I do for you?
Can I pray for you?
Can I bring you a coffee?
Can I?
You know what can I do for you?
Can I pray for you?
Can I bring you a coffee?
Can I?
You know anything of that sort?
People didn't know what to do,yeah yeah, um, you didn't.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
So, um, you know, listening to your story I am I'm
thinking your career, as in theCalgary police city police
ended sort of after sort ofafter a PTSD diagnosis.
Would that be right?
That's correct, would you say,because you didn't say that was
a huge, pivotal moment, becauseI mean, you've written a book
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now You've done some amazingthings, right, would you see
that you didn't mention it, butmaybe the story continues on and
the rest of the questions I'mgoing to ask you, but that seems
pretty pivotal, like you are ona transition of your life that
is fantastic.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Yes, and I think what I looked at, I think the
pivotal for me was, all of asudden, this bullying and
harassment that was happening,where it kind of stopped to make
me look, and then the diagnosiscame and I think it was
literally like the pressurecooker was going, going and then
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it was gone.
And I'm one of those who Iwould be continuously going for
maintenance to see apsychologist, a counselor,
because, especially with the jobthat we do, you need to do that
.
It's very important to makesure you are doing okay.
And as a mom and, you know, awife and all of these things, I
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wanted to make sure I was okay.
I had a lot of other peoplethat I had to make sure I was
okay for, not only me.
So when the diagnosis came, mypsychologist said I looked like
a deer in the headlights becauseI was shocked.
I thought I had my stufftogether and that I was doing
okay.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Yeah, we think that, don't we?
Speaker 2 (12:15):
I know we do Everything's good.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Yes, we're all good.
I'm wondering if you can giveus your best principle of
success and tell us a story thatmay illustrate that.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Okay, best principle of success.
I think the best thing for mewas just not giving up.
You know, going through some ofthe tough times and, especially
as a Christian, you know whatdid that look like.
And yeah, you know, when I wasgoing through these questions,
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this was one of those that I'mlike, okay, the best principle
for success.
I, there wasn't one specifictiming, but when I look at all
through what had gone on, Ithink it was just not giving up
and knowing that I mean I've gota very strong faith and belief
and, um, knowing that even whenI was ready to give in and it
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doesn't mean giving up, it wasjust I was tired and I was
exhausted and there was so muchgoing on I knew that I had
somebody that would continuetaking me forward and I knew
that God, being in control,would continue me forward no
matter what.
And I think for me that was.
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For me, that's what successlooks for.
I don't, you know, I think wehave, especially nowadays, you
look, it's like well, successwith money or your title or
anything of that sort.
But yet when I look, especiallywithin the police service, yeah
, I could have made it and gonesergeant and staff sergeant and
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all these other rankings, butthat's not what I wanted to do.
I felt that, especially as aleader, I could have so much
more impact in so many otherways, and so for me, that's I
think that's for me what thesuccess was.
It was just keeping on going.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Yeah, isn't that interesting on the whole
leadership, on what we think ittakes to be successful to.
You know, got to be a staffsergeant, I have to be the you
know next to be the captain or Iapologize, I don't know the
ranks, but yeah, that thatladder when really it's take
what you have learned.
Those years were important tothe next transition of your life
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.
And when you say never give upand I look at your bio that I
read you think of the youth andwhat do we tell them?
Like, never give up.
Look at me, you know.
And we have to share our story.
So thank you for sharing thatstory and never giving up.
And I think sometimes we'relooking for those really hard
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answers of oh, what's my bestprinciple of success?
Actually, it's true, I knowwe're always looking for really
big words.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
I know my life is so boring if I really sit back and
think, but we forget about allthe other things that we've
actually gone through.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Yeah, yeah Well, thank you for sharing.
We talk a lot about failuresand mistakes here, and we know
we learn more from our failuresand mistakes than our own
successes, and I'm wondering ifyou can share one of your
greatest failures or mistakesand maybe what you learned from
it.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Now this was interesting because, um, I so I
sing as well and I I have beenvery musical all through my life
.
I've had some amazingopportunities um, traveling,
recording, singing, backup, allthat kind of stuff, and so when
I actually sit back and look atall of this, I think my biggest
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I don't know if it was a failurebecause I don't believe I don't
really want to call themfailures, but I think that I did
not do was continue pursuing mymusic career.
I had some great opportunitiesin Nashville early on, when I
was 19, 20.
And things happen, thingschange, life goes on in
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different ways, and so you know,there are still days that I sit
back and go.
You know what, if and wherewould I be and what would be
going on, and you know, when Ilook at everything God actually
used if you want to say thatfailure or mistake in a
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completely different way,because being on the police
service, I ended up being ableto sing at all the graduations
and the galas and theconferences.
So for 16, 17 years I was stillable to use my gifts that he
had given me and you know peoplewere still impacted how he was
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going to use that, and so Iactually never had to stop doing
what I loved and what mypassion was.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
So do you think you will ever?
Because?
Are you still singing?
Maybe that's my first question,Are you still?
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Yeah, I'm still singing and I've been singing.
Funny enough, the CalgaryHitmen, the WHL hockey team,
this year is going to be 30years.
I've been doing the anthem forthem, so it's yeah, so I'm still
.
I'm still singing around, stillsinging on church, praise and
worship um different functions,all that kind of stuff yeah, oh,
you still have the gift.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Ah, nashville, nashville, for sure, probably,
nashville is always there, justsaying it's always there.
Yes, yes, all right.
Well, at Leader Impact, we wantto grow personally,
professionally and spirituallyfor increasing impact, and I'm
wondering if you'd be willing toshare an example of how the
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spiritual makes a practicaldifference in your life as a
leader.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
This one.
You know, I believe, whetheryou're a leader or not, I
believe this has a huge impactof leader impact and you know
the different books that we'vebeen going through and the
different leader leadershipbooks that that we've had an
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opportunity to read and gothrough, it has really opened up
my eyes to to actually how thatspiritualness has impacted me
in so many different ways.
And I guess, as a leader, godhas opened my eyes in ways of
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not only with treating peopleand how, as a Christian and as
somebody who wants to live withidentity in Christ, should be
working as a leader.
What that looks like and Ibelieve that that is how my
impact can be and has been.
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Even helping and working withother leaders will go and you
start brainstorming stuff andbringing stuff up that as a
leader, but as a Christian, whatdoes that look like?
And how can we bring Christinto our workplaces, into, you
know, even our everydayconversations or coffees?
So you know, I think, yeah, asa leader, there's huge.
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There's a huge impact we canhave, but I believe, just even
every day, how we can have thatspiritual impact just in general
overall.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
I don't know if that fully answered it, but Well, I'm
going to extend that and askyou about your experience with
Leader Impact, your group.
Many people who are listeninghave never been part of a Leader
Impact group and we do invitethem.
I mean we want business leadersto join.
So maybe I don't know if youremember.
I mean sometimes I forget whichbooks we do because we do so
many but talk about becausethey're leadership books.
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They are some of the bestselling leadership books.
We just bring a spiritualcomponent.
So I don't know if you rememberany of that you have done one
of them, and was it John Maxwell, I believe that one was, and
then trust was another one, andI think that was Tim.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Maybe Tim, maybe not, I can't remember that one, but
it was just trust and those twofor me, had some of the biggest
impacts of where, as leaderslike especially with leadership
and how you know you begin at acertain place and where you
think that once you emerge as aleader, this is where you should
be going and how you should beacting and all of that kind of
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stuff.
And then when you actually getdown to the nitty gritty and
looking at it as how God wouldwant me to be the leader, and
look at things, it really shifts.
It's not about you know, likewe were talking about success
and how much money you have andwhere you are in the company or
your title.
It's going down to how can Itake my group of people and make
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them into you know, taking themand making them into leaders,
and surrounding myself withpeople that have the same
visions and the same goals, andwalking beside them instead of
in front of them.
And I think as leaders, weforget that, and so these books
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kind of taught, brought us backinto kind of the square one of
learning number one how to trustand what that trust looks like,
and then going into what thatleadership looks like and how to
build that leadership.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Yeah, and for me and I'm in two groups that I lead
and it's sharing it with otherleaders, because you don't we
don't sometimes have someone toshare our leadership journey
with.
If you're a president, you'reprobably not talking to just all
the people that are underneathyou.
You need another president or asenior.
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Whatever role you're in, it isnice to share and hear others'
thoughts on leadership and theirfailures, their mistakes, their
greatest moments, you know.
So thank you for sharing yourinvolvement.
I love Leader Impact, so I'mglad you're involved.
So Leader Impact is dedicatedto leaders having a lasting
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impact.
That's what we talk about.
As you continue to move throughyour own journey, have you
considered what you want yourfaith legacy to be when you
leave this world?
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Yes, and you know, the biggest thing for me it's
focusing on creating an impactwhere youth parents, educators,
mentors can learn to engage andhave those conversations, open
dialogue, the courage indiscussing difficult topics, the
sense of community, the senseof family and, you know, the
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stronger relationships that arebuilt and just how, with God
showing God throughout all ofthis and it's going to look
different for everybody, but Ireally feel strongly that this
is just something for me, thatthat I want people to remember
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me by is, you know, and withthis book coming out, that was
kind of my, my backing with thisbook, because I worked in the
high schools as a schoolresource officer for eight and a
half years and what Iexperienced with these youth and
the cries for help and just howsitting down and having a
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conversation with them meant theworld.
Or, you know, with our own kids,you know sitting with them and
you know, if you're not a gamerand your 10 or 12 year old plays
games, go down for 20 minutes,ask them to show you how to play
a game.
You know you may hate it and berolling your eyes the entire
time inside, but that time spentwith them, oh my goodness, you
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have just created a relationshipthere that is stronger than if
you would have you know, sat ina car and said how's school?
Fine, what are you doing?
Nothing, you know.
So something as small as that,and those are kind of the things
that I would love people toremember.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Mm, hmm, so definitely, a book is a lasting
impact.
Well done.
Uh, you know it'll be out there.
I probably, when this podcastlaunches, the book will have
launched.
Uh, would you say.
Uh, this book is for everyparent.
Would you say, this book, youknow?
Where would you put this book?
Who would you dedicate thisbook to or direct it to?
Speaker 2 (24:50):
So this book is for parents, for mentors, for
guardians I was sayingcaregivers of youth.
Somebody said it kind of soundslike you're like caregivers is
for old people, but grandparents, it's for anybody who has a
youth in their life or has somekind of connection with youth,
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because it is their stories.
It is their stories walkingthrough suicide, walking through
self-harm, through eatingdisorders, domestic abuse.
Especially you know at 14 and15 years old what is a healthy
relationship, right, and so allof this stuff.
Our kids are going through thisin school.
Many parents and families donot realize this is what is
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actually happening until it'stoo late.
So this book is for all of thatkind of that community, but
it's also for the youththemselves, because they can
read this and realize they'renot alone.
They can realize that maybethey can help a friend or
somebody has come forward tothem regarding this and it just
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allows you know that shame Causeeven as parents there's some
shame that goes on, especiallyyou know you're from.
We go to church every Sunday,everything's perfect, this is
our wonderful life, and then allof a sudden you know your kid
attempts suicide, or your kidhas a drug problem, or they get
pregnant.
Oh my gosh Like the shame thatcomes on to us, just as parents.
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It's astronomical, but why doesit have to be that?
Why can't we learn to havethose conversations and actually
sit and talk with our youth?
The one thing I really found iswe make assumptions, as parents
, about our youth and our youthmake assumptions about us and
instead of stopping and sayingtogether you know what I battled
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bullying as a mom when I wasyounger.
I battled bullying just likeyou're battling.
It's not the same, I know, butI understand what you're going
through and let's talk about itand see how we can kind of help
each other through this.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Yeah, we don't talk enough as leaders, as adults, as
women, as parents, you know,and the conversations need to
start.
So thank you for putting out abook for parents, for caregivers
of youth, grandparents, mentors.
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You know it's an importantsubject.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Well done yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Our last question is what brings you the greatest joy
?
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Oh, this was an interesting one to think of.
You know, the biggest thingright now?
So I have a 15 and a half yearold son.
Actually, he would tell me he'salmost 16, because November
he'll be 16.
But one of the main things iswatching him grow in his journey
with Christ.
And I, you know what I know Ican always do better with
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praying with him and spendingtime and all that kind of stuff,
but he reads his Bible on hisown, he does devotions, he prays
, he goes to his youth group andyou know he doesn't complain
about going to church.
Um, just watching him grow in,that is just like it brings
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tears to my eyes because Icouldn't have asked for anything
more.
With that and knowing, you know, that that, the relationship
that we have, the dialogue thatwe have, it's so special.
And, um, you know I'm not thebest parent, the greatest parent
at all.
I have messed up and you know,not been there for things.
But all that I've asked, youknow, for God is to show me
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where I can be better,especially with him, and just
watching him grow and be able tobe that support for him.
And then one of the otherthings that brings me joy is
with youth, Just when you knowall of a sudden that somebody
has heard them and somebodyunderstands them and you see
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their faces.
All of a sudden it's like youknow what you get me, I feel
safe, I can actually talk to you, and that is such a huge
feeling of joy as well for me.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
So I, I have two children as well and they're out
of the house.
Now I'm an empty nester.
They've moved out and ourchildren were raised in a
Christian home and at one pointwe let them go, we let them go
into that world and now they'reliving two and a half hours away
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and we, you know, like you said, like I'm doing my best, I did
my best while they weren't homeand I just hope you know and I
got this little feedback mydaughter and she listens to the
podcast and she does adevotional with her cousin who
lives in another city and theycheck in with each other.
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Two young women, amazing women,and they check in with each
other.
I'm like, okay, I did, okaycheck mark, but as parents, it
is hard, and so to surroundyourself with great people and
then to your children, who arein youth groups and, you know,
surrounded with great kids,that's, that's all we can do,
you know.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
It is Well, and I think one of the things, too, is
that all we can, all we can askand pray for as well, is that
when our kids are kind of gone,or, you know, starting to do
their own thing, that they'llhear that little voice.
You know when that little voiceis needed, that I remember when
mom said this, or you know whatI really?
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I need some help.
Right now I'm just going tosend mom a text, or dad a text,
or, you know, grandma text orwhatever it is, but I think that
is when we realize that we didhave an impact.
And you know, it may betomorrow and maybe 10 years down
the road, but you'll know, yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Oh, arla Mae, it has been a fabulous 30 minutes with
you.
Thanks for sharing.
It has been a wonderfulintroduction.
I think it was.
Was it TB Rebe that introducedus?
Yes, yep, yes, he's done acouple introductions to me, so
big thanks to TB if he'slistening.
But thank you for sharing yourtime with us and your story it
it will change someone's lifeand your book will change more.
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So, thank you awesome.
Thank you so much.
You're welcome.
Uh, if anyone wants to engagewith you, if they're like, oh, I
want to, I want to look, carlamaya, what is the best way to
find you and then hook up.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
You know, if they want to so I'm on linkedin and
also also they can go towwwcarlamaysherematacom.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
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And remember impact starts with you.
Welcome to the Leader Impact Podcast.
We are a community of leaderswith a network in over 350
cities around the world,dedicated to optimizing our
personal, professional andspiritual lives to have impact.
This show is where we have achance to listen and engage with
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We love talking with leaders,so if you have any questions,
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website at leaderimpactcom.
I'm your host, Lisa Peters, andour guest today is Carlamay
Sheremata.
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Carlamay, with over two decadesof dedicated service, she has
navigated the diverse landscapeof law enforcement, contributing
her skills to various specialtyunits.
As a passionate advocate forempowerment, particularly of Ca
rlamay, worked tirelessly touplift and support those around
her.
Carlamay's journey has beenmarked by resilience, overcoming
the challenges of survivingcancer, embracing single
parenthood and navigating thecomplexities of PTSD diagnosis.
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Embracing the unconventional,Carlamay never conformed to
societal expectations, choosinginstead to live outside the
confines of the proverbial box,paving her unique path with
purpose and determination.
Beyond her commitment to lawenforcement, Carlam ay channeled
her experiences into acompelling narrative.
Through writing a book, shestrives to bridge the
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generational gap, shedding lighton what youth learn for their
parents, teachers and friends tocomprehend.
Her exploration delves into theunspoken desires, offering
insights into the questions thatlinger in their minds,
fostering a deeper understandingand connection.
It's her endeavor to amplifythe voices of the younger
generation and facilitatemeaningful conversations that
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transcend the conventionalboundaries of communication.
Welcome to the show, Carlam ay.
Thank you, excited to be here.
It is great to have you, andyou have a book coming out.
I didn't even know that until Iread your bio.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Yes, I do.
It's called Youth Truth: Engaging in Conversations that (02:14):
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Can Change Lives.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Wow.
Well, I hope we'll talk aboutthat, We'll bring that up.
We're going to get started,though, and we you know cause we
always start with hearing alittle bit more about you.
So we want to hear a little bitabout about your professional
story and how you got to whereyou are today, and if you have a
couple of snapshots, you knowthose pivotal turning points
along the way, Sure.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Well, so I I guess I was raised in in, I was born in
Edmonton, alberta, canada, andmoved to an early age or at an
early age to Calgary and I hadalways I guess I'd always loved
working with youth and youth hadalways been something that was
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on my kind of on my heart.
So even going to youth groupearly on and helping out, you
know, in the nursery and withthe younger kids and that kind
of stuff, I really reallyenjoyed that.
And as I went on and finisheduniversity, I really wanted to
work with young girls and kindof empower them in some way that
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I could.
But when I went forward to askif I could start, you know,
doing that and working withinthe schools, I was told I had to
go back and get a teachingdegree and I did not want to be
a teacher.
So I pivoted around and endedup going to in the oil and gas
side of things and startedworking in PR and marketing of
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things.
And started working in PR andmarketing and once that kind of
came to a head, at that point asa female it was hard to be able
to move up back then and thiswas, say, 20 plus, actually
almost 30 years ago, and so Iwas feeling kind of stuck, but
yet I felt, as a woman, I stillhad so much to offer, just like
the guys have to offer, and so Istarted looking at things and
different careers of where womenand men doing the same jobs get
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paid the same, and well, andyou know, because I was tired of
some of these guys.
You know they're making theirmillions of dollars and don't
know how to turn a photo backthen a photocopier, you know, or
their computers on or that kindof stuff, but yet I really
believe that both men and womenhave so much to offer together
that we could do so much asteams and funny policing kind of
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came forward, and mygrandfather was with the RCMP
and, being the onlygranddaughter my grandfather was
with the RCMP and, being theonly granddaughter, I don't
think this was something he everthought would cross my mind,
but I ended up applying to theCalgary Police Service, and
within two months, everythingwent through, so I knew the door
(04:58):
had been opened.
During that time, though, Iended up getting diagnosed with
cervical cancer and um at 26years of age.
That was not common back then,and especially being a Christian
and stuff we had kind oflearned about what cervical
cancer was.
That just wasn't me and so Ikind of had a lot of shame that
(05:24):
I was.
You know, I think I put a lotof shame on myself, but in the
Christian community it reallyfelt like I didn't really know
where to go from there.
Yet I knew I was so close togetting into the police service.
So I went through treatment andcontinued on in the process and
(05:46):
ended up finishing treatmentand getting into the police and
starting classes.
And when I look back now thatwas a little crazy.
But I was younger, I had a lotmore, I think, resilience at
that time and I didn't want togive up.
I had come so far and I thinkfor myself I wanted to prove to
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myself that I could actually dothis.
So just getting into theservice now so we call it the
Calgary Police Service.
A lot of people still use theforce.
I might kind of use forceintertwining, but it is the
Calgary Police Service, so justto kind of put that out there.
But once I got onto the service,just kind of seeing what it
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actually took and was I reallyprepared for this I'm a real
girly girl.
I've got usually pink nails,hair and makeup done.
I love fashion, love clothing,and here I am in a blue
polyester uniform and you knowlike really not a girly girl
(06:56):
type of profession, but I wasn'tgoing to change who I was, so I
never really fit into this boxof being a cop, because when I
got out of uniform nobody knewwhat I did, which was actually
kind of cool, uh.
So that kind of you know led thepath of the last uh, 21 years
(07:19):
and I was able to do so much andI loved what I did in my career
of doing that and I guess, kindof going into one of the other
pivots that kind of changed thedirection of where God started
taking me was in my, I guess, my20th year I ended up dealing
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with bullying and harassment andI have never had to deal with
that in all of my 20 plus yearsin the service.
And when that hit I think it wasa point when God really stopped
me and started me looking at,you know, being aware of how my
body was feeling, what I wasactually going through and what
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would be and could be theoutcome of this and was it
really worth it for me mentally,physically, spiritually,
emotionally.
Where was that going to take me, and at that time I also ended
up getting diagnosed with PTSD.
And again, I think this waskind of one of those God moments
of him stepping in, reallystepping in and saying it's time
(08:31):
to really take a hard look atwhat this is everything you've
done where you are now, and I'vegot something way better and
way more impactful that I wantyou to do.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
When you talked about the diagnosis of cervical
cancer, you mentioned shame.
How did that come?
What is explain that?
So your church family?
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Yeah, so it was.
So back then, um and I'm sayingback then cause it was uh, yeah
, it was a long time ago, um,when cervical cancer was not
something that was really talkedabout and the the people I'm
going to say that that ended upgetting it or it was being more
found in were people that werevery sexually active and that
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kind of thing, and that wasn'tsomebody who I was.
So for people that didn't knowme, you know people ask what
kind of cancer?
And you say it and you get thatlook.
Not only you know you have thebig C on your forehead.
There was that look and thosethat knew me through the church
(09:47):
family, that was fine and dandy.
But then you have those otherpeople in the church family who
they ask what can we pray for?
And you know your family letsthem know this is you know what
you can pray for.
People always ask what kind ofcancer.
You say it, and then therewould be this look and then
there would be this look.
And you know it was hard atthose times and I think one of
(10:15):
the things too is I just wantedpeople to have grace and mercy
and love and just accept me, andespecially during that time,
even just to call and say youknow what can I do for you?
Can I pray for you?
Can I bring you a coffee?
Can I?
You know what can I do for you?
Can I pray for you?
Can I bring you a coffee?
Can I?
You know anything of that sort?
People didn't know what to do,yeah yeah, um, you didn't.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
So, um, you know, listening to your story I am I'm
thinking your career, as in theCalgary police city police
ended sort of after sort ofafter a PTSD diagnosis.
Would that be right?
That's correct, would you say,because you didn't say that was
a huge, pivotal moment, becauseI mean, you've written a book
(10:56):
now You've done some amazingthings, right, would you see
that you didn't mention it, butmaybe the story continues on and
the rest of the questions I'mgoing to ask you, but that seems
pretty pivotal, like you are ona transition of your life that
is fantastic.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Yes, and I think what I looked at, I think the
pivotal for me was, all of asudden, this bullying and
harassment that was happening,where it kind of stopped to make
me look, and then the diagnosiscame and I think it was
literally like the pressurecooker was going, going and then
(11:32):
it was gone.
And I'm one of those who Iwould be continuously going for
maintenance to see apsychologist, a counselor,
because, especially with the jobthat we do, you need to do that
.
It's very important to makesure you are doing okay.
And as a mom and, you know, awife and all of these things, I
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wanted to make sure I was okay.
I had a lot of other peoplethat I had to make sure I was
okay for, not only me.
So when the diagnosis came, mypsychologist said I looked like
a deer in the headlights becauseI was shocked.
I thought I had my stufftogether and that I was doing
okay.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Yeah, we think that, don't we?
Speaker 2 (12:15):
I know we do Everything's good.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Yes, we're all good.
I'm wondering if you can giveus your best principle of
success and tell us a story thatmay illustrate that.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Okay, best principle of success.
I think the best thing for mewas just not giving up.
You know, going through some ofthe tough times and, especially
as a Christian, you know whatdid that look like.
And yeah, you know, when I wasgoing through these questions,
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this was one of those that I'mlike, okay, the best principle
for success.
I, there wasn't one specifictiming, but when I look at all
through what had gone on, Ithink it was just not giving up
and knowing that I mean I've gota very strong faith and belief
and, um, knowing that even whenI was ready to give in and it
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doesn't mean giving up, it wasjust I was tired and I was
exhausted and there was so muchgoing on I knew that I had
somebody that would continuetaking me forward and I knew
that God, being in control,would continue me forward no
matter what.
And I think for me that was.
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For me, that's what successlooks for.
I don't, you know, I think wehave, especially nowadays, you
look, it's like well, successwith money or your title or
anything of that sort.
But yet when I look, especiallywithin the police service, yeah
, I could have made it and gonesergeant and staff sergeant and
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all these other rankings, butthat's not what I wanted to do.
I felt that, especially as aleader, I could have so much
more impact in so many otherways, and so for me, that's I
think that's for me what thesuccess was.
It was just keeping on going.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Yeah, isn't that interesting on the whole
leadership, on what we think ittakes to be successful to.
You know, got to be a staffsergeant, I have to be the you
know next to be the captain or Iapologize, I don't know the
ranks, but yeah, that thatladder when really it's take
what you have learned.
Those years were important tothe next transition of your life
(14:36):
.
And when you say never give upand I look at your bio that I
read you think of the youth andwhat do we tell them?
Like, never give up.
Look at me, you know.
And we have to share our story.
So thank you for sharing thatstory and never giving up.
And I think sometimes we'relooking for those really hard
(14:57):
answers of oh, what's my bestprinciple of success?
Actually, it's true, I knowwe're always looking for really
big words.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
I know my life is so boring if I really sit back and
think, but we forget about allthe other things that we've
actually gone through.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Yeah, yeah Well, thank you for sharing.
We talk a lot about failuresand mistakes here, and we know
we learn more from our failuresand mistakes than our own
successes, and I'm wondering ifyou can share one of your
greatest failures or mistakesand maybe what you learned from
it.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Now this was interesting because, um, I so I
sing as well and I I have beenvery musical all through my life
.
I've had some amazingopportunities um, traveling,
recording, singing, backup, allthat kind of stuff, and so when
I actually sit back and look atall of this, I think my biggest
(15:54):
I don't know if it was a failurebecause I don't believe I don't
really want to call themfailures, but I think that I did
not do was continue pursuing mymusic career.
I had some great opportunitiesin Nashville early on, when I
was 19, 20.
And things happen, thingschange, life goes on in
(16:15):
different ways, and so you know,there are still days that I sit
back and go.
You know what, if and wherewould I be and what would be
going on, and you know, when Ilook at everything God actually
used if you want to say thatfailure or mistake in a
(16:36):
completely different way,because being on the police
service, I ended up being ableto sing at all the graduations
and the galas and theconferences.
So for 16, 17 years I was stillable to use my gifts that he
had given me and you know peoplewere still impacted how he was
(16:56):
going to use that, and so Iactually never had to stop doing
what I loved and what mypassion was.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
So do you think you will ever?
Because?
Are you still singing?
Maybe that's my first question,Are you still?
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Yeah, I'm still singing and I've been singing.
Funny enough, the CalgaryHitmen, the WHL hockey team,
this year is going to be 30years.
I've been doing the anthem forthem, so it's yeah, so I'm still
.
I'm still singing around, stillsinging on church, praise and
worship um different functions,all that kind of stuff yeah, oh,
you still have the gift.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Ah, nashville, nashville, for sure, probably,
nashville is always there, justsaying it's always there.
Yes, yes, all right.
Well, at Leader Impact, we wantto grow personally,
professionally and spirituallyfor increasing impact, and I'm
wondering if you'd be willing toshare an example of how the
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spiritual makes a practicaldifference in your life as a
leader.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
This one.
You know, I believe, whetheryou're a leader or not, I
believe this has a huge impactof leader impact and you know
the different books that we'vebeen going through and the
different leader leadershipbooks that that we've had an
(18:19):
opportunity to read and gothrough, it has really opened up
my eyes to to actually how thatspiritualness has impacted me
in so many different ways.
And I guess, as a leader, godhas opened my eyes in ways of
(18:40):
not only with treating peopleand how, as a Christian and as
somebody who wants to live withidentity in Christ, should be
working as a leader.
What that looks like and Ibelieve that that is how my
impact can be and has been.
(19:01):
Even helping and working withother leaders will go and you
start brainstorming stuff andbringing stuff up that as a
leader, but as a Christian, whatdoes that look like?
And how can we bring Christinto our workplaces, into, you
know, even our everydayconversations or coffees?
So you know, I think, yeah, asa leader, there's huge.
(19:24):
There's a huge impact we canhave, but I believe, just even
every day, how we can have thatspiritual impact just in general
overall.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
I don't know if that fully answered it, but Well, I'm
going to extend that and askyou about your experience with
Leader Impact, your group.
Many people who are listeninghave never been part of a Leader
Impact group and we do invitethem.
I mean we want business leadersto join.
So maybe I don't know if youremember.
I mean sometimes I forget whichbooks we do because we do so
many but talk about becausethey're leadership books.
(19:57):
They are some of the bestselling leadership books.
We just bring a spiritualcomponent.
So I don't know if you rememberany of that you have done one
of them, and was it John Maxwell, I believe that one was, and
then trust was another one, andI think that was Tim.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Maybe Tim, maybe not, I can't remember that one, but
it was just trust and those twofor me, had some of the biggest
impacts of where, as leaderslike especially with leadership
and how you know you begin at acertain place and where you
think that once you emerge as aleader, this is where you should
be going and how you should beacting and all of that kind of
(20:40):
stuff.
And then when you actually getdown to the nitty gritty and
looking at it as how God wouldwant me to be the leader, and
look at things, it really shifts.
It's not about you know, likewe were talking about success
and how much money you have andwhere you are in the company or
your title.
It's going down to how can Itake my group of people and make
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them into you know, taking themand making them into leaders,
and surrounding myself withpeople that have the same
visions and the same goals, andwalking beside them instead of
in front of them.
And I think as leaders, weforget that, and so these books
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kind of taught, brought us backinto kind of the square one of
learning number one how to trustand what that trust looks like,
and then going into what thatleadership looks like and how to
build that leadership.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Yeah, and for me and I'm in two groups that I lead
and it's sharing it with otherleaders, because you don't we
don't sometimes have someone toshare our leadership journey
with.
If you're a president, you'reprobably not talking to just all
the people that are underneathyou.
You need another president or asenior.
(22:04):
Whatever role you're in, it isnice to share and hear others'
thoughts on leadership and theirfailures, their mistakes, their
greatest moments, you know.
So thank you for sharing yourinvolvement.
I love Leader Impact, so I'mglad you're involved.
So Leader Impact is dedicatedto leaders having a lasting
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impact.
That's what we talk about.
As you continue to move throughyour own journey, have you
considered what you want yourfaith legacy to be when you
leave this world?
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Yes, and you know, the biggest thing for me it's
focusing on creating an impactwhere youth parents, educators,
mentors can learn to engage andhave those conversations, open
dialogue, the courage indiscussing difficult topics, the
sense of community, the senseof family and, you know, the
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stronger relationships that arebuilt and just how, with God
showing God throughout all ofthis and it's going to look
different for everybody, but Ireally feel strongly that this
is just something for me, thatthat I want people to remember
(23:21):
me by is, you know, and withthis book coming out, that was
kind of my, my backing with thisbook, because I worked in the
high schools as a schoolresource officer for eight and a
half years and what Iexperienced with these youth and
the cries for help and just howsitting down and having a
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conversation with them meant theworld.
Or, you know, with our own kids,you know sitting with them and
you know, if you're not a gamerand your 10 or 12 year old plays
games, go down for 20 minutes,ask them to show you how to play
a game.
You know you may hate it and berolling your eyes the entire
time inside, but that time spentwith them, oh my goodness, you
(24:10):
have just created a relationshipthere that is stronger than if
you would have you know, sat ina car and said how's school?
Fine, what are you doing?
Nothing, you know.
So something as small as that,and those are kind of the things
that I would love people toremember.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Mm, hmm, so definitely, a book is a lasting
impact.
Well done.
Uh, you know it'll be out there.
I probably, when this podcastlaunches, the book will have
launched.
Uh, would you say.
Uh, this book is for everyparent.
Would you say, this book, youknow?
Where would you put this book?
Who would you dedicate thisbook to or direct it to?
Speaker 2 (24:50):
So this book is for parents, for mentors, for
guardians I was sayingcaregivers of youth.
Somebody said it kind of soundslike you're like caregivers is
for old people, but grandparents, it's for anybody who has a
youth in their life or has somekind of connection with youth,
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because it is their stories.
It is their stories walkingthrough suicide, walking through
self-harm, through eatingdisorders, domestic abuse.
Especially you know at 14 and15 years old what is a healthy
relationship, right, and so allof this stuff.
Our kids are going through thisin school.
Many parents and families donot realize this is what is
(25:34):
actually happening until it'stoo late.
So this book is for all of thatkind of that community, but
it's also for the youththemselves, because they can
read this and realize they'renot alone.
They can realize that maybethey can help a friend or
somebody has come forward tothem regarding this and it just
(25:55):
allows you know that shame Causeeven as parents there's some
shame that goes on, especiallyyou know you're from.
We go to church every Sunday,everything's perfect, this is
our wonderful life, and then allof a sudden you know your kid
attempts suicide, or your kidhas a drug problem, or they get
pregnant.
Oh my gosh Like the shame thatcomes on to us, just as parents.
(26:17):
It's astronomical, but why doesit have to be that?
Why can't we learn to havethose conversations and actually
sit and talk with our youth?
The one thing I really found iswe make assumptions, as parents
, about our youth and our youthmake assumptions about us and
instead of stopping and sayingtogether you know what I battled
(26:39):
bullying as a mom when I wasyounger.
I battled bullying just likeyou're battling.
It's not the same, I know, butI understand what you're going
through and let's talk about itand see how we can kind of help
each other through this.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Yeah, we don't talk enough as leaders, as adults, as
women, as parents, you know,and the conversations need to
start.
So thank you for putting out abook for parents, for caregivers
of youth, grandparents, mentors.
(27:14):
You know it's an importantsubject.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Well done yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Our last question is what brings you the greatest joy
?
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Oh, this was an interesting one to think of.
You know, the biggest thingright now?
So I have a 15 and a half yearold son.
Actually, he would tell me he'salmost 16, because November
he'll be 16.
But one of the main things iswatching him grow in his journey
with Christ.
And I, you know what I know Ican always do better with
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praying with him and spendingtime and all that kind of stuff,
but he reads his Bible on hisown, he does devotions, he prays
, he goes to his youth group andyou know he doesn't complain
about going to church.
Um, just watching him grow in,that is just like it brings
(28:11):
tears to my eyes because Icouldn't have asked for anything
more.
With that and knowing, you know, that that, the relationship
that we have, the dialogue thatwe have, it's so special.
And, um, you know I'm not thebest parent, the greatest parent
at all.
I have messed up and you know,not been there for things.
But all that I've asked, youknow, for God is to show me
(28:37):
where I can be better,especially with him, and just
watching him grow and be able tobe that support for him.
And then one of the otherthings that brings me joy is
with youth, Just when you knowall of a sudden that somebody
has heard them and somebodyunderstands them and you see
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their faces.
All of a sudden it's like youknow what you get me, I feel
safe, I can actually talk to you, and that is such a huge
feeling of joy as well for me.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
So I, I have two children as well and they're out
of the house.
Now I'm an empty nester.
They've moved out and ourchildren were raised in a
Christian home and at one pointwe let them go, we let them go
into that world and now they'reliving two and a half hours away
(29:32):
and we, you know, like you said, like I'm doing my best, I did
my best while they weren't homeand I just hope you know and I
got this little feedback mydaughter and she listens to the
podcast and she does adevotional with her cousin who
lives in another city and theycheck in with each other.
(29:54):
Two young women, amazing women,and they check in with each
other.
I'm like, okay, I did, okaycheck mark, but as parents, it
is hard, and so to surroundyourself with great people and
then to your children, who arein youth groups and, you know,
surrounded with great kids,that's, that's all we can do,
you know.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
It is Well, and I think one of the things, too, is
that all we can, all we can askand pray for as well, is that
when our kids are kind of gone,or, you know, starting to do
their own thing, that they'llhear that little voice.
You know when that little voiceis needed, that I remember when
mom said this, or you know whatI really?
(30:30):
I need some help.
Right now I'm just going tosend mom a text, or dad a text,
or, you know, grandma text orwhatever it is, but I think that
is when we realize that we didhave an impact.
And you know, it may betomorrow and maybe 10 years down
the road, but you'll know, yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Oh, arla Mae, it has been a fabulous 30 minutes with
you.
Thanks for sharing.
It has been a wonderfulintroduction.
I think it was.
Was it TB Rebe that introducedus?
Yes, yep, yes, he's done acouple introductions to me, so
big thanks to TB if he'slistening.
But thank you for sharing yourtime with us and your story it
it will change someone's lifeand your book will change more.
(31:09):
So, thank you awesome.
Thank you so much.
You're welcome.
Uh, if anyone wants to engagewith you, if they're like, oh, I
want to, I want to look, carlamaya, what is the best way to
find you and then hook up.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
You know, if they want to so I'm on linkedin and
also also they can go towwwcarlamaysherematacom.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
That's easy, all right, well, thank you again for
joining us.
All right, well, if you're partof Leader Impact, you can
always discuss or share thispodcast with your group.
And if you are not yet part ofLeader Impact and would like to
find out more and grow yourleadership, find our podcast
page on our website atleaderimpactca and check out our
(31:49):
free leadership assessment.
You will also find on ourwebpage chapter one of Braden
Douglas's book Becoming a Leaderof Impact.
You can also check out groupsavailable in Canada at
leaderimpactca or, if you'relistening from anywhere else in
the world, check outleaderimpactcom or get in touch
with us by email info atleaderimpactca and we will
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connect you.
And if you like this podcast,please leave us a comment, give
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Speaker 2 (32:24):
And remember impact starts with you.
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