October 23, 2024 • 35 mins
What if your professional journey was shaped by both a prophetic vision and a profound personal transformation? That's exactly what happened to Joe Dugger, the visionary CEO and founder of One Life Direct Care. In this episode, Joe opens up about his journey from reluctant medical student to pioneering leader in employer-focused healthcare, inspired by his father's foresight and a pivotal summer research project. Joe's story is one of aligning a medical career with deep faith, drawing on the healing stories of Jesus to transform the patient experience and prioritize employee well-being in innovative ways.
Ever wondered how spiritual discernment can impact your leadership decisions? Joe shares candid reflections on the balance between seizing opportunities and seeking spiritual guidance. Through personal anecdotes, including a vivid dream that reshaped his business approach, he highlights the risks of overlooking divine insights. As Joe navigates the transition to an empty nest, he reveals how these lessons are enriching his leadership style and family life, encouraging us all to cherish each moment and grow intentionally.
Explore the intersection of faith and professional legacy as Joe discusses the joy of witnessing transformative changes in patients' lives. The conversation touches on the challenges and rewards of integrating spirituality into the workplace, fostering an environment of love, grace, and truth. Joe also introduces the global reach of Leader Impact, inviting listeners to connect with resources and groups worldwide. Dive into a wealth of opportunities to enhance your leadership skills and foster a culture that leaves a lasting legacy, both personally and professionally.
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Lisa Peters (00:05):
Welcome to the Leader Impact Podcast.
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I'm your host, Lisa Peters, andour guest today is Joe Duggar.
Joe is the visionary CEO andfounder of One Life Direct Care
in Searcy, Arkansas in theUnited States.
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He is a board-certified infamily practice and has an
interest in sports medicine andobesity medicine.
Joe is transforming the face ofemployer-focused healthcare.
His groundbreaking approach hasenabled countless businesses to
deliver immediate, personalizedhealthcare to their employees.
Joe's proficiency lies inaiding organizations grappling
with the dual task of attractingpremier talent and providing
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affordable, competitivehealthcare benefits.
He strongly believes anddemonstrates that investment in
superior healthcare doesn't haveto burden the corporate purse.
His strategy strives to fosterhealthier, happier employees,
boosting profitability.
Joe is a follower of Jesus andlives and walks daily by the
power, love, grace and truth ofthe Spirit living in him.
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He is married to his wife,Angie, and has four children.
Welcome to the show, Joe.
Joe Dugger (01:37):
Thank you, Lisa, glad to be here.
Lisa Peters (01:40):
Oh, it is nice to meet you.
You know, I tried, as I wassaying earlier, before we turned
the go button on.
You're a hard guy to find onanywhere else on social media.
You have your websites, but youmust be just clearly a good guy
because I couldn't findanything out about you.
It is nice to meet you.
Joe Dugger (02:01):
Yeah, oh, thank you Likewise, I'm just not out there
, I guess, like.
Lisa Peters (02:07):
You're clearly too busy, Joe.
Joe Dugger (02:11):
That may be a fact.
Lisa Peters (02:12):
So I know I'm going to assume that in Canada we
have an incredible physicianshortage, and I know it's not.
You know, is this somethingthat's common in the United
States?
Common everywhere?
Joe Dugger (02:25):
It is.
Yes, I mean we have a lot ofmid-level providers as well, PAs
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and nurse practitioners with usbut it still isn't enough to
meet the need.
So that is one of thechallenges that our company
really embraces is how do we useeverything, infrastructure
that's already there and even AIto assist us in really trying
to meet the needs that are thatare out there for for medical
care.
Lisa Peters (02:56):
Yeah, good, all right.
Well, we'll start with a few ofour questions.
We definitely want to find outmore about your professional
story and how you got to whereyou are today, and if you have a
couple of snapshots that werepivotal in the turning points
along that journey.
Joe Dugger (03:12):
Well, I do.
My father had always encouragedme to be a physician, and I
don't really know all thereasons for that.
I think my father passed in 2014.
Looking back, I think that he,I don't even think he recognized
it, but I think he had what Iwould call a prophetic gift
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where he could see things andother people, and so I remember
him telling me when I was youngthat I should consider being a
medical doctor, and I rememberthinking that's a crazy idea.
I have no desire to be amedical doctor, and so I had
other desires to be a scientist,or at one time I thought I
wanted to be an architect, andso I was in college I was
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actually a pre-med student, butit was because I was going
towards full-time research andso I spent a summer in South
Carolina doing that, and thatwas right before my senior year
of college.
And I remember one of the guysthat was presenting there was a
lifetime you know scientist, oneof our mentors for the summer,
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and he was one of the world'sexperts on the stride lengths of
lizards, and he was giving apresentation one day and most
everybody in the room was anundergraduate still in college
and they were just dialed in,you know listening to this guy,
and I just remember thinking whocares?
I mean, this guy, this guy hasspent his life researching how
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long of a step a certain speciesof lizard takes and I'm just
going, wow, what am I doing here?
I'm in the wrong place.
And in the process of thatsummer, I realized you know
really, that that was not what Iwanted to do and I wanted to be
directly involved in the livesof people, having impact,
developing relationships andhaving meaningful you know like
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my life's work needs to besomething bigger than measuring
out how far a lizard steps.
So, anyway, that was definitelya turning point.
And then I took the MCAT, mysenior year, and went on to
medical school and then, inmedical school and residency,
realized what an opportunity Ihad to just bring the kingdom
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of God into people's lives, youknow and I was always inspired,
even when I was young, by thestories of healing, when Jesus
would heal people.
I just love those stories and Iwould, you know, I'd read them
repetitively just to get everydetail.
And so that all started toreally come back to me as I was
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beginning to learn the practiceof medicine and so really
feeling some fulfillment even atan early age, in the beginnings
of my medical practice, andrealizing then that my dad was
seeing something that I didn'tsee, and I was very thankful for
that.
Lisa Peters (06:15):
Well, number one lizards don't love you back.
Maybe they do, I don't know.
And a question would be did yougrow up in a family of
physicians?
Was your dad a doctor, you know?
Was there anyone around you?
Joe Dugger (06:28):
No, really not.
My parents were both reallyfrom very, very poor families.
So farming families, youdepression-era farmers.
I know my mom's family, theywere sharecroppers and so you
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know, they were like migrantworkers back in the twenties and
thirties.
And then my dad's side, prettysimilar backgrounds, and so I
think I was the first physicianin our family.
I know on my dad's side thatwas the case, and so his mom was
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always just very, you know,quick to introduce me to her
friends, as, oh, this is ourfamily, this is our doctor in
the family, and so, yeah, Ithink I was really the only one.
My dad was a professor in theuniversity here where I live, so
he was, he taught there for 45years.
Lisa Peters (07:31):
Well, your parents, they sound very proud of you.
Your mother's introduction ofyou.
Joe Dugger (07:37):
Yes.
Lisa Peters (07:38):
That's good, good.
I was wondering if you can giveus your best principle of
success and if you had a storythat would illustrate that.
Joe Dugger (07:47):
Well, I would say that one of the things that has
always been a guiding principlefor me was and I guess when
people would ask me, you know,in youth group and church, when
I was little, you know what'syour favorite Bible verse?
You started getting thosequestions a lot in junior high
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and high school, and so overtime I realized that Romans 12:
1 was always one of those verses.
And so I, you know, finding outwhat God's will is for my life
and seeking that will.
But you know, and even I thinkthe Bible at verse the day today
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was from Proverbs and it'scommit to the Lord whatever you
do and he'll establish yourplans.
And so I think that guidingprinciple for me has always been
there.
The word has always been in mefrom the time I was little,
because of the heritage that myparents passed on to me.
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And, you know, as an adult now,looking back, I see that my
faith became my own at a veryyoung age.
I knew God was real.
I knew Jesus was, you know, themost historically accounted-for
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figure in the history of theworld, and I knew he was God's
son.
I just, I mean, I've alwaysknown that, I've never doubted
that and I knew the Bible washis word.
So I just really at a youngage, I would read through the
Bible a lot.
And I grew up in a church thatwas it was a good church, a lot
of good relationships.
There was definitely somehyper-religious type of people
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and some you know, I don't wantto say Pharisees, but I think
you have this type of mindset inprobably most churches.
But I got the good out of thatand I think one of the things
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and I don't think it waslegalism, but I think it could
turn into that but for me it wasvery well driven into me that I
needed to know the word and bein the word, and so I did read
the Bible through yearly a lotwhen I was growing up.
So the times that I have notsucceeded, I can look back and
see that I wasn't asking God forguidance, I wasn't listening to
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the Holy Spirit when there wereclear red flags that I should
not proceed or I should changecourse, and so I don't have just
one story of success, but I cantell you my best success is my
wife and my family, and I wasvery prayerful about who I was
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to marry.
And my wife is actually sixyears younger than me.
So when we started dating, itwas somewhat scandalous because
I was 22 and she was 16.
And so I knew her family verywell and I had a good
relationship with all of them.
Her older brother and I playedfootball together in college,
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and so I actually this is astory that all of our inner
circle knows, but I was on a bustrip to a football game and I
was actually a grad assistantthat year and Nick, Angie, my
wife's brother, we were reallygood friends.
He was sitting on the bus withme asking me about who I was
dating, and you know usualconversations and I said, oh,
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I'm not, I'm not really datinganyone.
I, you know, not really wantingto date, I just want to.
You know I'm not necessarilyjust trying to find a wife, but
I'm just not really wanting tojust date, to date, you know.
And anyway, he mentioned thathis sister was available.
And I said, cause she was, shedidn't have a boyfriend.
But this was not Angie, thiswas Nick is one of she's.
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She's one of five children, soNick is the oldest and the other
four are girls.
So and this was Angie's oldersister, my wife's older sister,
and Nick encouraged me to askher out on a date, and I said,
oh, I can't do that.
I said I love your family, yoursisters are all great, but
there's just too much of an agegap.
But then I said but if I wasgoing to ask out one of your
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sisters, I would ask out Angie,who's actually a little younger
than Marcy.
And Nick got very excited andhe said oh, you should, you
should do that.
So anyway, the idea grew on meand after a few weeks I asked
for her father's permission,secretly, and so he gave me his
permission, which I look backand go 16-year-old to date my d
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ifI don't know that I would give
any guy permission to date my 16year old daughter, especially
he's 22, but, um, he, we had agood relationship and he trusted
me and the whole family knewabout it, except for Angie, and
so they all knew that I hadasked permission to ask her out,
and so they're just reallyhaving a hard time keeping it a
secret.
But they did until I called herand asked her out.
So that was how we started.
But that decision was one thatyou know God led me in, and
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there's no doubt that the and Ithink generations will be, you
know we'll, we'll know the storydown, you know down the road,
but generations are going to beblessed by that decision for
sure.
Lisa Peters (13:30):
Oh, that's a great way to end that.
Your decision will be blessed.
I love that.
Yeah, that God's will will bedone.
It's a good.
That is a great principle ofsuccess.
I wrote that one down.
We're going to switch over tofailures and mistakes.
I think we all know we probablylearn more from a failing or a
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mistake and more than from oursuccesses.
So I'm wondering if you andwhat you learned from it.
Joe Dugger (14:01):
Yeah, absolutely.
Well, I have always tried to beas aware as I can be of
opportunities around me.
So as an entrepreneur and as abusiness owner, that has been a
blessing and a curse, I wouldsay.
I mean, sometimes I allow toomuch of the distraction of, oh,
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this looks like a goodopportunity and I would dive
into it without really lookingat or listening to or
prayerfully considering theentire situation to or
prayerfully considering theentire situation.
So, several different businesspartnerships I'm using that term
loosely, but relationships,collaborative agreements, have
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not gone well in the past beendestructive to some extent, with
loss financially and evenrelationally.
And I can look back and seeclearly that those were times
when I did not really listen orask for counsel.
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And so I mean God is alwaysspeaking and for me, sometimes
even God dreams, I will be ableto.
I mean he will show me thingsand I don't always understand
them, but sometimes he's prettyclear and I just didn't listen.
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But specifically, I knowbusiness relationships and
partnerships have been baddecisions that I made and
looking back even early intothose relationships, I would see
red flags, I would see thingsthat needed to be addressed.
I wouldn't address them or Iwouldn't step courageously and
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boldly up to just you know beclear but also be you know
assertive about what needs tochange or how we can navigate a
situation.
wants and what we want ahead of, as you said in Romans 12, one
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our God's will for us.
We, I have been caught tellingGod what I want.
You know, and I think he justlike yeah, no, and you talked I.
You know when, when you make amistake, or you know, and I call
it a brick, I get hit, god justthrows me a brick.
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It's like you weren't listening.
I tried to whisper to you, Itried to show you, I tried, and
then I get hit with something.
It's not literally a brick, butyou know, you just I put my
provoked ahead of maybe what Godwanted for me.
So yeah, I think God, the learning something
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process there if.
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.
.
t, if we'll take the lesson andgrow from it can really be
beneficial.
One of the dreams that I hadwas it was just a very brief but
it was a vivid dream and I wassitting in a circle of friends
at a table and.
And scratching under my chinand I noticed there me, when I
wake up, if I haven't had adream like this in quite a while
.
But if it was a very vividdream and it just had some, I
mean, just really provoke mythoughts and I woke up, I would
write them down and then prayabout them and see if there was
anything that was discerningfrom those.
But this one was a very vividdream and I had a small sore and
I kind of did, you know, justtouched it and this almost like
a tumor came out from my chinand it was.
It was just, you know, I wasamazed and you know kind of
thought what, what is this, youknow?
But everybody around the tablewas just talking and no one even
noticed, and that was theextent of the dream.
And so I understood that, ifthere was, god was showing some,
he was.
There was something in me thathe wanted me to recognize that
didn't need to be there.
It was not good, it wassomething that I needed to take
out, and so I just prayerfully,over the course of weeks, tried
to understand that dream and andI did it was basically God
revealed to me.
This is your need for approval.
God revealed to me.
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This is your need for approval.
This is you seeking theapproval of others, and that's
what this sin is, this thingthat you just need to get rid of
.
And got older and Thank you wentthrough some of these
relationships in business, Irealized because I'd written
down this dream that the peopleat that table were actually
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people that I had bad businessrelationships with, and God was
basically showing me that.
then.
But I didn't At and LeaderImpact didn't listen.
But I was too professionally,about what they thought about me
I appeared in thoserelationships to address the
things that were coming up in aswe were going into a business
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together that I should haveaddressed.
And it was because I would.
I didn't want to to lose face,so to speak.
I didn't want to, you know,lose their approval and
affirmation because of somethingthat was not what they wanted
to hear.
Lisa Peters (19:34):
Yeah, uh sharing this failure to listen.
I'm hearing know the failure tolisten to God's word.
in in your sleep.
It slips.
You know he's around us, he'sus, you know I I appreciate the
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story.
Um, at leader .
And, uh, you have shared someincredible stories so far.
Would you be willing to sharean example of how the spiritual
makes a practical impact in yourlife as a leader?
a
Joe Dugger (20:18):
Yes, yes, I, you know I'm.
So I'm 55 years old now and, uh, it's amazing how fast I got
here.
But, kids are.
We're close to empty nest stagenow.
So, uh, my youngest is afreshman in college and we have
four kids.
My oldest is finishing up hismaster's and we have four kids.
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My oldest is finishing up hismaster's.
My kids are all fairly closetogether in age, so my wife has
always been so intentional about, you know, let's family time
and let's really prioritize that, and that's been such a
blessing for all of us.
In the last several years Ijust have been impacted by how
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brief of a time we have with ourchildren and really just the
whole lifespan is so brief.
So I've been a lot moredeliberate about every day and
how I approach the day, everyday and how I approach the day.
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So you know, I'm really I havean inner circle which is mostly
my kids and my wife, myemployees, but I'll usually send
out a scripture every morning,I'll spend a little time in the
word and then at verse of theday, but just the importance of
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washing them with the word and,and you know, washing myself
with the word, renewing my mindto God's reality in my life.
And I can't separate thespiritual, but I just think
we've mean, even when I younger,I remember sitting in in,
sitting in seeing muchstudent Ripple-Effect.
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I Drip, it's struggling.
Just maybe they were really shyand just couldn't connect very
well with people and I could seethe way they were and I could
feel this empathy for them.
But I just remember thinking,you know, even just saying
something to them like hey,how's it going?
Or did you do your homework?
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It didn't matter.
There was this desire to justhave a brief conversation
because I knew there was aripple from that.
You know there was going to besomething good that could come
from that, from that.
There was going to be somethinggood that could come from that
and it was going to help thatperson engage in the world
around them and see that theyhad value and that someone else
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cared enough to talk to them.
So it's just to me, as I'vegotten older, the spiritual is,
you know, we're mind, body andspirit, but I think the spirit
is where everything really hasthe most significance and
definitely the most permanence.
And so you know, when God,talks about laying up happened
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heaven, I really think that thatcomes down to relationship, and
what we do and what we say andhow it impacts people is so I
always think about the rippleeffect and what it's going to do
, even generationally.
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I think that's where thespiritual God me is most the is
because we don't see itnecessarily, but we know it's
there not.
and Paul see it over time as it.
You know, as as our parents orpass and we understand left us
and what they've done we, we canrecognize the importance of
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what's happened in the spiritualrealm.
Lisa Peters (23:59):
Yeah, many times in my care group, you know, we, we
talk about, we've talked aboutthis and I, I use the
professional, word I drip onpeople.
I, I much prefer ripple effectDrip.
It's like you know, we justdrip on people, it's like you
know, if they can see that I'm aChristian, or in my language,
in my language, .
in my actions.
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But, yeah, I'm going to useripple effect, changing my words
.
Joe Dugger (24:25):
Yeah, that's good.
Yeah, I think it's hard tounderstand in some ways.
But we do compartmentalize intothe physical and the emotional
and the spiritual, but I thinkwe're all those wrapped in one.
You know we've got mind, body,spirit and so, um, a lot of
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what's.
What's happened for us, youknow, in Christ is in the
spiritual realm and when we'reborn again it's a, you know,
it's an instant, um, you knowphenomenon.
But so I think in the spiritthat work is complete.
We're this new creation, we're.
We're perfect.
You know, god sees us in.
The spirit is perfect, but themind and the body still are not
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so we're, paul says in Ephesians, one, we're purchased but not
redeemed yet.
So I think that that part of usis, is the, is the part that
needs the spiritual realm tocontinually renew our minds and
renew our bodies, even to thereality of Christ in us.
Lisa Peters (25:29):
Yeah, I wanted to ask you about.
You're the founder of One LifeDirect Care and when I, when I
do find your professionaleverything, it's not that the
website is Christian, it's inthe name of the company.
For me, you know, and I'mthinking this is clear, this is
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done intentionally and becauseeverything I find out about you
is very, very empowering All thetitles not the titles, the
company names that you'reinvolved?
with What Very do I intentional.
?
Joe Dugger (26:06):
Yes, yes.
Lisa Peters (26:07):
Yeah, all right.
So Leader Impact is dedicatedto leaders having a lasting
impact.
So, as you continue to ownjourney, have considered what
you want faith legacy to be whenyou leave this world?
.
Joe Dugger (26:24):
I've been considering it a lot more in
recent years, for sure, yeah, Ireally, you know, I think when I
have a strong desire to go intosomething or do something,
especially knowing that it'sgoing to take everything as far
as resource to do those things,I just weigh can't always see
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the end at the beginning, but Ijust weigh out what is the
impact and what I want thelegacy to be, what I want my
life's work to be about, and Ican have an opinion on that.
But what will people say?
You, you know, and what will mygrandchildren say?
So I want them to.
I want them to say that theysaw Jesus, they saw his love,.
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That's, that's really the, the,the biggest desire that I have,
and that's really pretty simple, but it's real, yeah it is.
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yeah, I haven't really had tothink It's while, but that's
good to reflect on.
Lisa Peters (27:38):
It is, and .
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When I it's a business podcastwe're thinking for and, it's,
it's not big, it's and it's nothard.
What am I thinking of?
Um, it's not as simple At it isthat's, but it's, it's the
truth and it's.
Yeah, we try to come up withsuch big answers, judged, Really
smart answers.
Anyway, my final question foryou, joe, is what brings you the
greatest joy?
.
Joe Dugger (28:17):
Yes, I so you know I've always been more fulfilled
in the practice of medicine whenI see people come off of their
medicine for diabetes ormedicine Sometimes if for high
blood pressure and to just beempowered to realize that they
can make Christians thelifestyle changes and they can
do some things that will.
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That will have a huge impact ontheir health and maybe kind of
even change their paradigm ofhow they're thinking about their
destiny.
Because some people just willsort of think, oh, my parents,
my dad, had a heart attack whenhe was 50, so that's going to
happen to me, and so I love tosee that paradigm shift.
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And the greatest really is whenpeople understand and realize
that Jesus is their .
.
And And, um, even if it'sthrough medicine or whatever, if
they can encounter Jesus andthis might be people who
Christians their whole life, butthey may not have ever met
Jesus as their healer and I heclearly in the gospels.
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You.
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But it's just like time, youwant the father, just look at me
and he's he's healing them ofeverything that they come with.
And so, um, I just I love tosee that happen.
Uh, to see that happen some.
Uh, you know it's, it's awesomewhen it happens in an instant.
Sometimes it happens over time,but, um, it's just.
I can see why Jesus said thisis my to when his, when his
followers were trying to get himto eat something.
He's like you don't understand.
I've got this bread, this is myfood.
It's doing doing the will of myfather, which he was talking
specifically, I think, abouthealing and, and you know,
turning people's lives around.
So, um, that's to me greatest .
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Because sure.
Lisa Peters (30:05):
Thank you for sharing Um, you know, uh, when I
listened Listening and I thatyou know you you are a family
doctor with your specialties in,I think, uh, obesity uh,
sports obesity and sportsmedicine.
Do you take your faith intoyour work?
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That is, at Leader Impact?
That's one of our biggest.
You know we are trying tointegrate.
When you go to work, sometimesyou're judged right.
People don't want to hear it.
And when I asked you about thename of your company, you talk
about the culture.
You send out messages everymorning.
You know from the Bible it'sinspiring and not everybody's
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like that.
You know some workplaces.
How did you set this up?
Well, you know, I try and bediscerning about
Joe Dugger (31:05):
what to say and how to say it, and I want people to
be drawn to Jesus.
If you say on your website oryou say on your sign, you know,
christians can come here in somany words, then that means
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everybody else doesn'tnecessarily want to come or feel
welcome, and I don't want to dothat.
So I think there's a time whenpeople are ready to receive the
good news and know that Jesusloves them and that he wants to
have a relationship with them,and we don't always know when
that's going to be.
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But I have worked for employersbefore where, you know, I was
reprimanded for talking aboutJesus too much, and these were
Christian people that weresaying you know that I had, I
think I had prayed with apatient, maybe and and I don't
remember all the details of it,but anyway, I mean I just I took
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that as as the you know thereprimand that it was, but at
the same time I also, um, feltlike that there's, this is not
going to stop me, I'm not goingto, I'm going to stop talking
about him or telling peopleabout him, but I do want to do
it in a way that's mosteffective and has the greatest
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potential to to plant thoseseeds of truth.
And so, um, and now that I ownmy own business, I have more of
an opportunity to create theculture and help to facilitate
that, and I see that as part ofmy role as a leader in our
business.
To you know, whatever they wantto do with it is their decision
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.
But I'm going to speak truthand I'm going to do it in a
loving way and, you know, if wedisagree, that's okay.
I'm not going to hate them andI'm not going to respond in a
way that's, you know, going toturn them.
Turn them off too, becausethere may be a chance for them
to to come around to thoserealities at some point.
Lisa Peters (33:14):
Yeah, oh, thanks for taking the time to answer
that question.
I listening to you.
I just I think there's a lot ofpeople listening thinking how
do I do this?
And at Leader Impact we are,we're marketplace leaders who
integrate our personal,professional, spiritual.
We all come together and youknow, to have the ripple effect
not drip, but have the rippleeffect.
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So you are definitely havingthe ripple effect.
I want to thank you for justjoining us for the last half
hour.
I just appreciate your time.
You are a busy guy and justtaking these last 30 minutes.
I loved it.
You changed a little bit of meand I know that our viewers.
You changed a little bit ofthem.
Joe Dugger (33:58):
Thanks, Lisa.
I appreciate you having me onyour show.
Lisa Peters (34:00):
You're welcome.
And now, if anybody wants tofind you, engage with you
anything, social media or awebsite, what would be the best
way to find you?
Joe Dugger (34:09):
Well, I am on LinkedIn.
I don't have as much knowledgeon my social media.
Someone doing that for me butI'm on LinkedIn.
Joseph is my full first name,Joseph Duggar, and it's
D-U-G-G-E-R.
My website for the company isOneLifeDirect, so it's
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OneLifeDirect.
org, and so that's the easiestway to reach me.
Lisa Peters (34:39):
All right.
Good.
Well, thank you again.
It was a great half hour.
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I'm your host, Lisa Peters, andour guest today is Joe Duggar.
Joe is the visionary CEO andfounder of One Life Direct Care
in Searcy, Arkansas in theUnited States.
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He is a board-certified infamily practice and has an
interest in sports medicine andobesity medicine.
Joe is transforming the face ofemployer-focused healthcare.
His groundbreaking approach hasenabled countless businesses to
deliver immediate, personalizedhealthcare to their employees.
Joe's proficiency lies inaiding organizations grappling
with the dual task of attractingpremier talent and providing
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affordable, competitivehealthcare benefits.
He strongly believes anddemonstrates that investment in
superior healthcare doesn't haveto burden the corporate purse.
His strategy strives to fosterhealthier, happier employees,
boosting profitability.
Joe is a follower of Jesus andlives and walks daily by the
power, love, grace and truth ofthe Spirit living in him.
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He is married to his wife,Angie, and has four children.
Welcome to the show, Joe.
Joe Dugger (01:37):
Thank you, Lisa, glad to be here.
Lisa Peters (01:40):
Oh, it is nice to meet you.
You know, I tried, as I wassaying earlier, before we turned
the go button on.
You're a hard guy to find onanywhere else on social media.
You have your websites, but youmust be just clearly a good guy
because I couldn't findanything out about you.
It is nice to meet you.
Joe Dugger (02:01):
Yeah, oh, thank you Likewise, I'm just not out there
, I guess, like.
Lisa Peters (02:07):
You're clearly too busy, Joe.
Joe Dugger (02:11):
That may be a fact.
Lisa Peters (02:12):
So I know I'm going to assume that in Canada we
have an incredible physicianshortage, and I know it's not.
You know, is this somethingthat's common in the United
States?
Common everywhere?
Joe Dugger (02:25):
It is.
Yes, I mean we have a lot ofmid-level providers as well, PAs
(02:45):
and nurse practitioners with usbut it still isn't enough to
meet the need.
So that is one of thechallenges that our company
really embraces is how do we useeverything, infrastructure
that's already there and even AIto assist us in really trying
to meet the needs that are thatare out there for for medical
care.
Lisa Peters (02:56):
Yeah, good, all right.
Well, we'll start with a few ofour questions.
We definitely want to find outmore about your professional
story and how you got to whereyou are today, and if you have a
couple of snapshots that werepivotal in the turning points
along that journey.
Joe Dugger (03:12):
Well, I do.
My father had always encouragedme to be a physician, and I
don't really know all thereasons for that.
I think my father passed in 2014.
Looking back, I think that he,I don't even think he recognized
it, but I think he had what Iwould call a prophetic gift
(03:32):
where he could see things andother people, and so I remember
him telling me when I was youngthat I should consider being a
medical doctor, and I rememberthinking that's a crazy idea.
I have no desire to be amedical doctor, and so I had
other desires to be a scientist,or at one time I thought I
wanted to be an architect, andso I was in college I was
(03:56):
actually a pre-med student, butit was because I was going
towards full-time research andso I spent a summer in South
Carolina doing that, and thatwas right before my senior year
of college.
And I remember one of the guysthat was presenting there was a
lifetime you know scientist, oneof our mentors for the summer,
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and he was one of the world'sexperts on the stride lengths of
lizards, and he was giving apresentation one day and most
everybody in the room was anundergraduate still in college
and they were just dialed in,you know listening to this guy,
and I just remember thinking whocares?
I mean, this guy, this guy hasspent his life researching how
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long of a step a certain speciesof lizard takes and I'm just
going, wow, what am I doing here?
I'm in the wrong place.
And in the process of thatsummer, I realized you know
really, that that was not what Iwanted to do and I wanted to be
directly involved in the livesof people, having impact,
developing relationships andhaving meaningful you know like
(05:04):
my life's work needs to besomething bigger than measuring
out how far a lizard steps.
So, anyway, that was definitelya turning point.
And then I took the MCAT, mysenior year, and went on to
medical school and then, inmedical school and residency,
realized what an opportunity Ihad to just bring the kingdom
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of God into people's lives, youknow and I was always inspired,
even when I was young, by thestories of healing, when Jesus
would heal people.
I just love those stories and Iwould, you know, I'd read them
repetitively just to get everydetail.
And so that all started toreally come back to me as I was
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beginning to learn the practiceof medicine and so really
feeling some fulfillment even atan early age, in the beginnings
of my medical practice, andrealizing then that my dad was
seeing something that I didn'tsee, and I was very thankful for
that.
Lisa Peters (06:15):
Well, number one lizards don't love you back.
Maybe they do, I don't know.
And a question would be did yougrow up in a family of
physicians?
Was your dad a doctor, you know?
Was there anyone around you?
Joe Dugger (06:28):
No, really not.
My parents were both reallyfrom very, very poor families.
So farming families, youdepression-era farmers.
I know my mom's family, theywere sharecroppers and so you
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know, they were like migrantworkers back in the twenties and
thirties.
And then my dad's side, prettysimilar backgrounds, and so I
think I was the first physicianin our family.
I know on my dad's side thatwas the case, and so his mom was
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always just very, you know,quick to introduce me to her
friends, as, oh, this is ourfamily, this is our doctor in
the family, and so, yeah, Ithink I was really the only one.
My dad was a professor in theuniversity here where I live, so
he was, he taught there for 45years.
Lisa Peters (07:31):
Well, your parents, they sound very proud of you.
Your mother's introduction ofyou.
Joe Dugger (07:37):
Yes.
Lisa Peters (07:38):
That's good, good.
I was wondering if you can giveus your best principle of
success and if you had a storythat would illustrate that.
Joe Dugger (07:47):
Well, I would say that one of the things that has
always been a guiding principlefor me was and I guess when
people would ask me, you know,in youth group and church, when
I was little, you know what'syour favorite Bible verse?
You started getting thosequestions a lot in junior high
(08:11):
and high school, and so overtime I realized that Romans 12:
1 was always one of those verses.
And so I, you know, finding outwhat God's will is for my life
and seeking that will.
But you know, and even I thinkthe Bible at verse the day today
(08:31):
was from Proverbs and it'scommit to the Lord whatever you
do and he'll establish yourplans.
And so I think that guidingprinciple for me has always been
there.
The word has always been in mefrom the time I was little,
because of the heritage that myparents passed on to me.
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And, you know, as an adult now,looking back, I see that my
faith became my own at a veryyoung age.
I knew God was real.
I knew Jesus was, you know, themost historically accounted-for
(09:21):
figure in the history of theworld, and I knew he was God's
son.
I just, I mean, I've alwaysknown that, I've never doubted
that and I knew the Bible washis word.
So I just really at a youngage, I would read through the
Bible a lot.
And I grew up in a church thatwas it was a good church, a lot
of good relationships.
There was definitely somehyper-religious type of people
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and some you know, I don't wantto say Pharisees, but I think
you have this type of mindset inprobably most churches.
But I got the good out of thatand I think one of the things
(10:11):
and I don't think it waslegalism, but I think it could
turn into that but for me it wasvery well driven into me that I
needed to know the word and bein the word, and so I did read
the Bible through yearly a lotwhen I was growing up.
So the times that I have notsucceeded, I can look back and
see that I wasn't asking God forguidance, I wasn't listening to
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the Holy Spirit when there wereclear red flags that I should
not proceed or I should changecourse, and so I don't have just
one story of success, but I cantell you my best success is my
wife and my family, and I wasvery prayerful about who I was
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to marry.
And my wife is actually sixyears younger than me.
So when we started dating, itwas somewhat scandalous because
I was 22 and she was 16.
And so I knew her family verywell and I had a good
relationship with all of them.
Her older brother and I playedfootball together in college,
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and so I actually this is astory that all of our inner
circle knows, but I was on a bustrip to a football game and I
was actually a grad assistantthat year and Nick, Angie, my
wife's brother, we were reallygood friends.
He was sitting on the bus withme asking me about who I was
dating, and you know usualconversations and I said, oh,
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I'm not, I'm not really datinganyone.
I, you know, not really wantingto date, I just want to.
You know I'm not necessarilyjust trying to find a wife, but
I'm just not really wanting tojust date, to date, you know.
And anyway, he mentioned thathis sister was available.
And I said, cause she was, shedidn't have a boyfriend.
But this was not Angie, thiswas Nick is one of she's.
(12:06):
She's one of five children, soNick is the oldest and the other
four are girls.
So and this was Angie's oldersister, my wife's older sister,
and Nick encouraged me to askher out on a date, and I said,
oh, I can't do that.
I said I love your family, yoursisters are all great, but
there's just too much of an agegap.
But then I said but if I wasgoing to ask out one of your
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sisters, I would ask out Angie,who's actually a little younger
than Marcy.
And Nick got very excited andhe said oh, you should, you
should do that.
So anyway, the idea grew on meand after a few weeks I asked
for her father's permission,secretly, and so he gave me his
permission, which I look backand go 16-year-old to date my d
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ifI don't know that I would give
any guy permission to date my 16year old daughter, especially
he's 22, but, um, he, we had agood relationship and he trusted
me and the whole family knewabout it, except for Angie, and
so they all knew that I hadasked permission to ask her out,
and so they're just reallyhaving a hard time keeping it a
secret.
But they did until I called herand asked her out.
So that was how we started.
But that decision was one thatyou know God led me in, and
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there's no doubt that the and Ithink generations will be, you
know we'll, we'll know the storydown, you know down the road,
but generations are going to beblessed by that decision for
sure.
Lisa Peters (13:30):
Oh, that's a great way to end that.
Your decision will be blessed.
I love that.
Yeah, that God's will will bedone.
It's a good.
That is a great principle ofsuccess.
I wrote that one down.
We're going to switch over tofailures and mistakes.
I think we all know we probablylearn more from a failing or a
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mistake and more than from oursuccesses.
So I'm wondering if you andwhat you learned from it.
Joe Dugger (14:01):
Yeah, absolutely.
Well, I have always tried to beas aware as I can be of
opportunities around me.
So as an entrepreneur and as abusiness owner, that has been a
blessing and a curse, I wouldsay.
I mean, sometimes I allow toomuch of the distraction of, oh,
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this looks like a goodopportunity and I would dive
into it without really lookingat or listening to or
prayerfully considering theentire situation to or
prayerfully considering theentire situation.
So, several different businesspartnerships I'm using that term
loosely, but relationships,collaborative agreements, have
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not gone well in the past beendestructive to some extent, with
loss financially and evenrelationally.
And I can look back and seeclearly that those were times
when I did not really listen orask for counsel.
(15:13):
And so I mean God is alwaysspeaking and for me, sometimes
even God dreams, I will be ableto.
I mean he will show me thingsand I don't always understand
them, but sometimes he's prettyclear and I just didn't listen.
(15:33):
But specifically, I knowbusiness relationships and
partnerships have been baddecisions that I made and
looking back even early intothose relationships, I would see
red flags, I would see thingsthat needed to be addressed.
I wouldn't address them or Iwouldn't step courageously and
(15:57):
boldly up to just you know beclear but also be you know
assertive about what needs tochange or how we can navigate a
situation.
wants and what we want ahead of, as you said in Romans 12, one
(16:22):
our God's will for us.
We, I have been caught tellingGod what I want.
You know, and I think he justlike yeah, no, and you talked I.
You know when, when you make amistake, or you know, and I call
it a brick, I get hit, god justthrows me a brick.
(16:43):
It's like you weren't listening.
I tried to whisper to you, Itried to show you, I tried, and
then I get hit with something.
It's not literally a brick, butyou know, you just I put my
provoked ahead of maybe what Godwanted for me.
So yeah, I think God, the learning something
(17:05):
process there if.
(18:15):
.
.
t, if we'll take the lesson andgrow from it can really be
beneficial.
One of the dreams that I hadwas it was just a very brief but
it was a vivid dream and I wassitting in a circle of friends
at a table and.
And scratching under my chinand I noticed there me, when I
wake up, if I haven't had adream like this in quite a while
.
But if it was a very vividdream and it just had some, I
mean, just really provoke mythoughts and I woke up, I would
write them down and then prayabout them and see if there was
anything that was discerningfrom those.
But this one was a very vividdream and I had a small sore and
I kind of did, you know, justtouched it and this almost like
a tumor came out from my chinand it was.
It was just, you know, I wasamazed and you know kind of
thought what, what is this, youknow?
But everybody around the tablewas just talking and no one even
noticed, and that was theextent of the dream.
And so I understood that, ifthere was, god was showing some,
he was.
There was something in me thathe wanted me to recognize that
didn't need to be there.
It was not good, it wassomething that I needed to take
out, and so I just prayerfully,over the course of weeks, tried
to understand that dream and andI did it was basically God
revealed to me.
This is your need for approval.
God revealed to me.
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This is your need for approval.
This is you seeking theapproval of others, and that's
what this sin is, this thingthat you just need to get rid of
.
And got older and Thank you wentthrough some of these
relationships in business, Irealized because I'd written
down this dream that the peopleat that table were actually
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people that I had bad businessrelationships with, and God was
basically showing me that.
then.
But I didn't At and LeaderImpact didn't listen.
But I was too professionally,about what they thought about me
I appeared in thoserelationships to address the
things that were coming up in aswe were going into a business
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together that I should haveaddressed.
And it was because I would.
I didn't want to to lose face,so to speak.
I didn't want to, you know,lose their approval and
affirmation because of somethingthat was not what they wanted
to hear.
Lisa Peters (19:34):
Yeah, uh sharing this failure to listen.
I'm hearing know the failure tolisten to God's word.
in in your sleep.
It slips.
You know he's around us, he'sus, you know I I appreciate the
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story.
Um, at leader .
And, uh, you have shared someincredible stories so far.
Would you be willing to sharean example of how the spiritual
makes a practical impact in yourlife as a leader?
a
Joe Dugger (20:18):
Yes, yes, I, you know I'm.
So I'm 55 years old now and, uh, it's amazing how fast I got
here.
But, kids are.
We're close to empty nest stagenow.
So, uh, my youngest is afreshman in college and we have
four kids.
My oldest is finishing up hismaster's and we have four kids.
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My oldest is finishing up hismaster's.
My kids are all fairly closetogether in age, so my wife has
always been so intentional about, you know, let's family time
and let's really prioritize that, and that's been such a
blessing for all of us.
In the last several years Ijust have been impacted by how
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brief of a time we have with ourchildren and really just the
whole lifespan is so brief.
So I've been a lot moredeliberate about every day and
how I approach the day, everyday and how I approach the day.
(21:24):
So you know, I'm really I havean inner circle which is mostly
my kids and my wife, myemployees, but I'll usually send
out a scripture every morning,I'll spend a little time in the
word and then at verse of theday, but just the importance of
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washing them with the word and,and you know, washing myself
with the word, renewing my mindto God's reality in my life.
And I can't separate thespiritual, but I just think
we've mean, even when I younger,I remember sitting in in,
sitting in seeing muchstudent Ripple-Effect.
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I Drip, it's struggling.
Just maybe they were really shyand just couldn't connect very
well with people and I could seethe way they were and I could
feel this empathy for them.
But I just remember thinking,you know, even just saying
something to them like hey,how's it going?
Or did you do your homework?
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It didn't matter.
There was this desire to justhave a brief conversation
because I knew there was aripple from that.
You know there was going to besomething good that could come
from that, from that.
There was going to be somethinggood that could come from that
and it was going to help thatperson engage in the world
around them and see that theyhad value and that someone else
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cared enough to talk to them.
So it's just to me, as I'vegotten older, the spiritual is,
you know, we're mind, body andspirit, but I think the spirit
is where everything really hasthe most significance and
definitely the most permanence.
And so you know, when God,talks about laying up happened
(23:13):
heaven, I really think that thatcomes down to relationship, and
what we do and what we say andhow it impacts people is so I
always think about the rippleeffect and what it's going to do
, even generationally.
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I think that's where thespiritual God me is most the is
because we don't see itnecessarily, but we know it's
there not.
and Paul see it over time as it.
You know, as as our parents orpass and we understand left us
and what they've done we, we canrecognize the importance of
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what's happened in the spiritualrealm.
Lisa Peters (23:59):
Yeah, many times in my care group, you know, we, we
talk about, we've talked aboutthis and I, I use the
professional, word I drip onpeople.
I, I much prefer ripple effectDrip.
It's like you know, we justdrip on people, it's like you
know, if they can see that I'm aChristian, or in my language,
in my language, .
in my actions.
(24:20):
But, yeah, I'm going to useripple effect, changing my words
.
Joe Dugger (24:25):
Yeah, that's good.
Yeah, I think it's hard tounderstand in some ways.
But we do compartmentalize intothe physical and the emotional
and the spiritual, but I thinkwe're all those wrapped in one.
You know we've got mind, body,spirit and so, um, a lot of
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what's.
What's happened for us, youknow, in Christ is in the
spiritual realm and when we'reborn again it's a, you know,
it's an instant, um, you knowphenomenon.
But so I think in the spiritthat work is complete.
We're this new creation, we're.
We're perfect.
You know, god sees us in.
The spirit is perfect, but themind and the body still are not
(25:11):
so we're, paul says in Ephesians, one, we're purchased but not
redeemed yet.
So I think that that part of usis, is the, is the part that
needs the spiritual realm tocontinually renew our minds and
renew our bodies, even to thereality of Christ in us.
Lisa Peters (25:29):
Yeah, I wanted to ask you about.
You're the founder of One LifeDirect Care and when I, when I
do find your professionaleverything, it's not that the
website is Christian, it's inthe name of the company.
For me, you know, and I'mthinking this is clear, this is
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done intentionally and becauseeverything I find out about you
is very, very empowering All thetitles not the titles, the
company names that you'reinvolved?
with What Very do I intentional.
?
Joe Dugger (26:06):
Yes, yes.
Lisa Peters (26:07):
Yeah, all right.
So Leader Impact is dedicatedto leaders having a lasting
impact.
So, as you continue to ownjourney, have considered what
you want faith legacy to be whenyou leave this world?
.
Joe Dugger (26:24):
I've been considering it a lot more in
recent years, for sure, yeah, Ireally, you know, I think when I
have a strong desire to go intosomething or do something,
especially knowing that it'sgoing to take everything as far
as resource to do those things,I just weigh can't always see
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the end at the beginning, but Ijust weigh out what is the
impact and what I want thelegacy to be, what I want my
life's work to be about, and Ican have an opinion on that.
But what will people say?
You, you know, and what will mygrandchildren say?
So I want them to.
I want them to say that theysaw Jesus, they saw his love,.
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That's, that's really the, the,the biggest desire that I have,
and that's really pretty simple, but it's real, yeah it is.
(27:34):
yeah, I haven't really had tothink It's while, but that's
good to reflect on.
Lisa Peters (27:38):
It is, and .
(30:06):
When I it's a business podcastwe're thinking for and, it's,
it's not big, it's and it's nothard.
What am I thinking of?
Um, it's not as simple At it isthat's, but it's, it's the
truth and it's.
Yeah, we try to come up withsuch big answers, judged, Really
smart answers.
Anyway, my final question foryou, joe, is what brings you the
greatest joy?
.
Joe Dugger (28:17):
Yes, I so you know I've always been more fulfilled
in the practice of medicine whenI see people come off of their
medicine for diabetes ormedicine Sometimes if for high
blood pressure and to just beempowered to realize that they
can make Christians thelifestyle changes and they can
do some things that will.
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That will have a huge impact ontheir health and maybe kind of
even change their paradigm ofhow they're thinking about their
destiny.
Because some people just willsort of think, oh, my parents,
my dad, had a heart attack whenhe was 50, so that's going to
happen to me, and so I love tosee that paradigm shift.
(28:59):
And the greatest really is whenpeople understand and realize
that Jesus is their .
.
And And, um, even if it'sthrough medicine or whatever, if
they can encounter Jesus andthis might be people who
Christians their whole life, butthey may not have ever met
Jesus as their healer and I heclearly in the gospels.
(29:21):
You.
(32:14):
But it's just like time, youwant the father, just look at me
and he's he's healing them ofeverything that they come with.
And so, um, I just I love tosee that happen.
Uh, to see that happen some.
Uh, you know it's, it's awesomewhen it happens in an instant.
Sometimes it happens over time,but, um, it's just.
I can see why Jesus said thisis my to when his, when his
followers were trying to get himto eat something.
He's like you don't understand.
I've got this bread, this is myfood.
It's doing doing the will of myfather, which he was talking
specifically, I think, abouthealing and, and you know,
turning people's lives around.
So, um, that's to me greatest .
(33:07):
Because sure.
Lisa Peters (30:05):
Thank you for sharing Um, you know, uh, when I
listened Listening and I thatyou know you you are a family
doctor with your specialties in,I think, uh, obesity uh,
sports obesity and sportsmedicine.
Do you take your faith intoyour work?
(30:26):
That is, at Leader Impact?
That's one of our biggest.
You know we are trying tointegrate.
When you go to work, sometimesyou're judged right.
People don't want to hear it.
And when I asked you about thename of your company, you talk
about the culture.
You send out messages everymorning.
You know from the Bible it'sinspiring and not everybody's
(30:51):
like that.
You know some workplaces.
How did you set this up?
Well, you know, I try and bediscerning about
Joe Dugger (31:05):
what to say and how to say it, and I want people to
be drawn to Jesus.
If you say on your website oryou say on your sign, you know,
christians can come here in somany words, then that means
(31:26):
everybody else doesn'tnecessarily want to come or feel
welcome, and I don't want to dothat.
So I think there's a time whenpeople are ready to receive the
good news and know that Jesusloves them and that he wants to
have a relationship with them,and we don't always know when
that's going to be.
(31:46):
But I have worked for employersbefore where, you know, I was
reprimanded for talking aboutJesus too much, and these were
Christian people that weresaying you know that I had, I
think I had prayed with apatient, maybe and and I don't
remember all the details of it,but anyway, I mean I just I took
(32:10):
that as as the you know thereprimand that it was, but at
the same time I also, um, feltlike that there's, this is not
going to stop me, I'm not goingto, I'm going to stop talking
about him or telling peopleabout him, but I do want to do
it in a way that's mosteffective and has the greatest
(32:31):
potential to to plant thoseseeds of truth.
And so, um, and now that I ownmy own business, I have more of
an opportunity to create theculture and help to facilitate
that, and I see that as part ofmy role as a leader in our
business.
To you know, whatever they wantto do with it is their decision
(32:51):
.
But I'm going to speak truthand I'm going to do it in a
loving way and, you know, if wedisagree, that's okay.
I'm not going to hate them andI'm not going to respond in a
way that's, you know, going toturn them.
Turn them off too, becausethere may be a chance for them
to to come around to thoserealities at some point.
Lisa Peters (33:14):
Yeah, oh, thanks for taking the time to answer
that question.
I listening to you.
I just I think there's a lot ofpeople listening thinking how
do I do this?
And at Leader Impact we are,we're marketplace leaders who
integrate our personal,professional, spiritual.
We all come together and youknow, to have the ripple effect
not drip, but have the rippleeffect.
(33:35):
So you are definitely havingthe ripple effect.
I want to thank you for justjoining us for the last half
hour.
I just appreciate your time.
You are a busy guy and justtaking these last 30 minutes.
I loved it.
You changed a little bit of meand I know that our viewers.
You changed a little bit ofthem.
Joe Dugger (33:58):
Thanks, Lisa.
I appreciate you having me onyour show.
Lisa Peters (34:00):
You're welcome.
And now, if anybody wants tofind you, engage with you
anything, social media or awebsite, what would be the best
way to find you?
Joe Dugger (34:09):
Well, I am on LinkedIn.
I don't have as much knowledgeon my social media.
Someone doing that for me butI'm on LinkedIn.
Joseph is my full first name,Joseph Duggar, and it's
D-U-G-G-E-R.
My website for the company isOneLifeDirect, so it's
(34:34):
OneLifeDirect.
org, and so that's the easiestway to reach me.
Lisa Peters (34:39):
All right.
Good.
Well, thank you again.
It was a great half hour.
All right, Well, if you'repart of Leader Impact, you can
always discuss or share thispodcast with your group.
And if you are not yet part ofLeader Impact and would like to
find out more and grow yourleadership, find our podcast
(34:59):
page on our website atleaderimpact.
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You will also find on ourwebpage chapter one of Braden
Douglas's book Becoming a Leaderof Impact.
You can also check out groupsavailable in Canada at
leaderimpact.
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check out leaderimpact.
com or get in touch with us byemail info@ leaderimpact.
(35:20):
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