February 5, 2025 • 34 mins
Transitioning from pastoral ministry to life coaching and chaplaincy, John reveals his struggles with burnout and shares valuable lessons on balancing life's demands. Listeners will gain insight into the subtle yet significant differences between being a pastor and a chaplain, as well as John's unique approach to fostering leadership and personal growth in business environments.
Discover the critical role of presence and awareness in the workplace. We share stories that highlight the importance of intentionality and sensitivity, especially in professional settings. Whether it's providing marriage counseling or helping new immigrants adapt to Canadian life, John illustrates the profound impact of building genuine connections.
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Lisa Peters (00:07):
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I'm your host, Lisa Peters, andour guest today is John Morris.
John is passionate about lifeand encourages people to live in
purpose and achieve fulfillment.
He is diversity life coachingwith John Morris, providing a
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down-to-earth approach indealing with the many
complexities life brings our way.
Utilizing 38 years in thepeople business, John comes
alongside of individuals,empowering them to move forward
in life to reach their desiredgoals.
He's been married for 39 yearsto Charmaine and has two
daughters, Kayleen and Shawnee.
John says single or married,top executive or youth in school
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, we all deal with the samestuff.
It's personal at all levels.
Today, I'm excited to chat toJohn about his leadership role
with the City of Saskatoon'sPolice Service and the corporate
world.
Welcome to the show
John Morris (01:31):
Thanks for having me.
Lisa appreciate that.
Lisa Peters (01:34):
So I went to your website and I love how, once
people get to know you, theycall you Johnny.
So I'll wait and I'll see howit goes, and by the end I'll be
like Johnny.
John Morris (01:44):
Johnny, johnny, yeah, you know that came from
when I was doing my lifecoaching training.
They had you kind of go throughthis whole what would it be
called like procedure of who areyou and coming to your life
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purpose statement, and it waslots of character, lots of play,
and they picked up on mypersonality right away and they
kind of likened me to the sloppydog as an analogy.
Believe it or not, it was fun.
And that's when they just saidyou know you need to be called
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Johnny because that fits more ofwho you are.
Lisa Peters (02:29):
Wow See, I would have thought you would have
picked up Johnny in a lockerroom or a right like a sports
team.
I don't know, Johnny.
John Morris (02:37):
Well, that all that all takes, takes with that as
well.
So yeah, yeah, for sure.
Lisa Peters (02:46):
All right, Well, we will jump right into it.
I'm excited to hear a littlebit more about how you got to
where you are today and reallykind of those pivotal moments of
you know the 38 years, becauseyou say you have been in the
people business.
So yeah, share a little bitmore.
John Morris (03:00):
Well, I say people business because I you know 39
years of pastoral ministry rightfrom you know, young, trying to
figure out what I was going todo in life and then following
the Bible college route andtheology and then getting into
being a youth pastor.
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I've been a children's pastor.
I've been a marriage pastor.
I've been an assistantassociate pastor.
You know you name it along thepastoral realm I've done it.
And just being involved inpeople and you know as much as I
just love people, you knowhighly relational with all the
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things that I've been able to doand that's been a key of me
being able to evolve into, youknow, the various roles.
So I was in pastoral ministrykind of hit a burnout time and
then was looking at you knowwhat do I do now?
And stepped away and then Istarted to pursue my life
coaching.
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And then during my lifecoaching, realizing that this is
a great addendum to otherthings that you do, but it
wasn't going to be the mainthing I did and so I kind of
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went into general managing aconcrete restoration repair
company, believe it or not, yougo from pastoral ministry
leadership right into a companybecause of the leadership and
business aspect of ministrythat's involved.
And then while I was doing that, life coaching, training, kind
of going back into pastoralministry, but also then this
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chaplaincy aspect opened up withthe corporate world.
So a company reached out to meand asked if I would be
interested in meeting with themand then so that's been kind of
the venue that opened and thenit just from relationship, it
just kind of snowballed fromthat.
(05:05):
So now I'm involved with fourdifferent chaplaincy aspects so
and pastoring at the same time.
Lisa Peters (05:22):
you tell me
John Morris (05:25):
Just in a church setting where you know there's
lots of good leadership stuffthat's going on, and just hit a
point where just becameall-consuming, not maintaining
balance, not maintaining thosethings in leadership that we are
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taught and we're supposed to,by taking a break you know
taking your Sabbath or wouldrest times and you know pacing
yourself and then just gettinginundated with feeling
overwhelmed and just a lot.
Also, you know like you knowpeople talk about PTSD with you
know first responders, but inpastoral ministry we deal with a
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lot of issues and I think overtime it was just wearing on me
and came to a point where mycoping mechanisms were all coped
out.
And so I got to a point where Ibut I didn't even realize I was
burnt out.
So I look back on it now and Icall it burnout.
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But back then I would have justsaid you know, I was done, you
know done and finished Right.
Lisa Peters (06:36):
Yeah.
It's always easier to look back.
John Morris (06:38):
It is yeah, absolutely.
Lisa Peters (06:41):
Yeah, For our listeners.
Can you just share thedifference between being a
pastor and being a chaplain?
John Morris (06:49):
Well, pastor, you know that's the vocational thing
of connection with church.
Chaplain, and really what Ilook at it as is you're
pastoring people that are inbusiness.
You're still doing the samethings.
In chaplaincy it's reallycoming alongside individuals and
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building relationship andrapport.
So it's being that consistentpresence.
It's in the differentchaplaincies I work with it's
still the same thing.
But you know it's just gettinginterested in people.
You know, asking curiousquestions, getting involved in
their families and asking abouttheir kids.
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What amazes me is I am thechaplain at the Saskatoon Police
Service and I go into, I walkthe hallways.
I would stop in every,everywhere, every nook and
cranny in the police service,and I just make myself aware hey
, how are you guys doing today?
I'm John, I'm the chaplain hereintroducing myself for the
first time, or then it'scontinued conversations and I'm
really good with rememberingthings.
So I'll say, hey, how's yourkid doing with sports there?
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And so these guys are not youknow.
.
.
You walk in and the ladies thatare working there, you walk into
their office and you see theiraccolades and their achievements
, but right on the wall, rightbeside all that, we'll say best
dad in the whole world.
And those are the things Ifocus in on.
I focus on the personal aspectsof their life.
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So what happens is beingconsistent and being relational
is everybody has those moments.
They all face everybody, we allface our stuff and we'll hit a
wall.
We'll, you know, face acircumstance in our personal
life or professional life whereyou know people are just like
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what do I do now?
And then that is when you know,that's when I come in.
By building that relationshipwith people, they reach out to
me or they'll lean in a littlebit easier.
And the consistency inchaplaincy is the conversations
go very quickly from hi, how areyou?
To you know the depths of, youknow, hey, I'm dealing with a
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loss in my life, or hey, my kidsreally you know pushing my
buttons these days, or you know,and and the conversation just
really opens up.
So you know, if you ask, if youlisten, ask questions and
listen, people will tell you alot of their story.
And that's really whatchaplaincy is is that consistent
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presence you know of beingthere, of being available, and
then when they need you, they'll, they will reach out.
Lisa Peters (09:47):
Yeah, would you say that police services, either
across Canada, acrossSaskatchewan, anywhere, do they
all have a chaplain?
Or is that sort of the chief issaying you know what, we need
this?
John Morris (10:00):
Yeah, I think more and more so.
I think you know I become amember of the Canadian
Association of Police Chaplainsacross Canada.
Bruce Awanashin is thepresident of that organization.
He is a retired member fromBrandon, Manitoba.
(10:22):
He actually retired to PrinceAlbert and I reached out to him
and I said hey, Bruce, if you'reever in town let me know.
You know love to have you comedown to the service.
I'll tour you through thebuilding.
You know I'll introduce you todifferent people and I was able
to during that time just buildrelationship and rapport and
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there is quite a goodorganization across .
You know Canada, you know withyou know chaplaincy amongst city
police, local city police andRCMP, so it goes across the
board and it's become veryinterfaith as well in many of
the different agencies youthink it really takes on the
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flavor of who the chaplain is aswell.
There's a lot of personalityinvolved in it with connection
with people and certain peoplewill have a great in and some
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does that happen people willfind themselves trying to break
in and sometimes those circles.
You know policing is veryinteresting.
They're very interesting.
You know psyche involved inthat.
first started there you knowCam McBride, who's now our chief
, he gave me this book EmotionalSurvival for Law Enforcement
and I was reading through thebook and it really gave me a
great insight into, you know,the psyche of the police agency
and police members and it's beena great in that way.
So, meeting with Bruce andhaving him come, he was quite
surprised, how you know.
We were walking throughout thebuilding and afterwards he said
everybody knows who you are here.
And I said, well, I hope soBecause that's my goal, right,
but I've seen other and been onother zoom calls where other
chaplains and other places havehad a little bit of a struggle
or they're having a hard timebreaking in or, you know,
because of the agency, for whatit is and what they've been
experiencing in their agency.
So it's, it varies, you know.
Lisa Peters (12:36):
Yeah, and in regards to, I have never, I
don't think I've ever heard of ain a corporation like someone
that has someone that will comein and speak to us.
That's always the.
You know you can purchasecounseling or you can have
coaching.
How did and Reg so Quiring Iget it.
Because you're a, you knowyou're diversity coaching.
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How did you get into being achaplain?
How?
John Morris (13:03):
does that happen?
Total fluke.
You know those things in lifethat come along and you Bitrix
company that I started with theyhad a chaplain and the chaplain
was leaving and he just namedropped me and then so they
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reached out to me that way.
So but then it's, it's, it'syou got to make your own way in
that because it's veryindividualistic, right.
And so that was with the onecompany and then it just kind of
snowballed.
I've been with that one companynow six years and then from
being with that one company,other other business owners will
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then lean into that businessowner and say, hey, I hear
you've got this chaplain.
What does that look like, right?
And a good friend of mine, regQueering, who's one of the
owners of Q-Line Trucking, hehas chaplaincy, and so I was
very aware of it and at one timeway back when I'd been
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interviewed by him and JNH, hiscousin, they kind of co-worked
with a chaplain and had kind ofgotten a little bit of insight
on that.
But then this other companyopened up and then from that it
just kind of went to anothercompany, then to another company
and then to another company andit was all through relationship
.
It becomes really an extensionof the wellness program.
(14:35):
The one company calls me theirwellness coordinator and life
coach, actually because theywanted to get away from the
chaplaincy stigma, and so whatit was is I'm looked at as the
HR on the ground.
So HR in the company will comealong, look after the employees
with their systems.
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Here's counseling, here's thisor whatever.
You can reach out to this 1-800number, I become the 1-800
number with the company and asI'm the face to that company,
they get to know me and then sowhen they get to that point they
go hey, are you needing this?
Here's John.
So I've done marriagecounseling, I've done weddings,
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I've done funerals, I've doneall sorts of different things.
Coming alongside of, you know,the workers in these individual
companies.
One of the companies, theworkers in these individual
companies of the companies,bightrix, like e-bikes, is a lot
of new immigrants to Canada.
So I become the Canadian experton the ground and they ask me
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all these different questions.
And I'm only an expert becauseI was born and raised in Canada.
But you know, along the way youread, you get educated, you
take courses and it's taking allthese things that you put into
your life that come out inservice.
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You know, and coming alongsideof these people, really I look
at it as an opportunity.
It is to serve.
I serve, you know, these peopleas I serve in the church.
I serve these companies and Iserve these people, these
employees in the companies.
.
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.
.
Lisa Peters (16:24):
Wonderful.
Thank you for explaining that,because I think our viewers
would.
I didn't really know about it,but even your definition of
sometimes they call you awellness and HR coordinator I
mean I've heard of that, butyeah, so thank you.
So, listening to you, I'm sureyou've had failures and mistakes
and I think we all know welearn.
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.
.
from our failures mistake thanour successes.
So I'm wondering if you havesomething you could share a
failure, mistake that you couldshare, story that goes with it
and what you learned.
John Morris (19:15):
She was, I think sometimes it's it's.
You know, we always talk aboutawareness and reading the room,
becoming aware, and I I'musually very good at being aware
, but over familiarity sometimeswe let our guard down.
And there was one time I wasjoking around as I do, and I
banter back and forth with thepeople as you build relationship
right, and there was instancewhere I said something and I
didn't even think anything of it.
It's one of those comments wemake flippantly, but later on I
got an email from a femaleemployee just saying how you
know, what I said, you know, wasa little bit insensitive,
because some people, you know,deal with certain things, and it
just, it just caught me up.
I mean, of course, Iimmediately responded back to
her and I said I am so sorrythat was not my intent, but it
reminded me that we need towatch our words and we need to
be on guard and aware, and moreso, aware when we're in those
functions.
Aware when we're in thosefunctions, not just to take it
so casually, but be very, veryintentional.
You know, and theintentionality of it is being
aware of your surroundings andrealizing you're there.
You know they're engaging withme on a contract, so they're
paying me to do this stuff.
Contracts, so they're paying meto do this stuff.
And so I want to do my bestbefore them and obviously for
myself.
You know, I don't want peopleto think ill of me at all.
I'm there to come alongside andhelp.
So I think sometimes it's justthe over familiarity of being a
little bit too casual and andnot dropping that intentionality
.
You know that that is that isneeded.
Lisa Peters (18:57):
Yeah, when you, when you had said the comment,
was made, did you, did ever?
Did you feel it?
of look around the room?
Did you read the room at all,or you didn't?
You didn't see it, and maybethis woman emails you.
Was it a female?
Was it very like you know she?
John Morris (19:15):
was kind.
She was kind, yeah, yeah, shewas kind and she said you know,
I see the role that you playhere and it's very integral and
I so appreciate I see how youinteract with everybody.
But you made that one comment,and it was a comment.
I don't want to, you know,divulge anything other than it
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was very personal to her and andit was me just not being
sensitive in that moment, it Ididn't even know that I did it.
You know, it was a situationwhere I was standing between two
, two kind of cubicle desks andI was engaging with the one
person and the other person andso we were talking back and
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forth and so I didn't even seeher reaction to the comment and
she didn't let on at that moment.
Usually, if I'm engaged with aperson, I'm a pretty good read
on people, I can see that, butit just was the scenario of
where I just wasn't quite ableto read that.
Lisa Peters (20:16):
So know.
You comment.
Watch our words.
John Morris (20:22):
Yeah, it's, it's those moments, and you know what
they're they, they catch us upand it it causes us to kind of
those, those, those mistakesthat we make cause us to, you
know, catch ourselves up alittle bit and go okay, you know
, what am I doing, what's mypurpose, what am I doing?
You know, and you know whereelse maybe have I done that
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without really realizing it.
And then again, leaning intothat, what am I?
And for?
What am I doing?
What's my function?
How do I you know, how do I dothis effectively?
m
Lisa Peters (20:59):
Yeah, do you live with the guilt of something
you've done as much as I do?
You know when you do somethingwrong and you're like, oh, and
then you think all these peopleknow, they heard, you know, and
it eats me up.
I know, you know
John Morris (21:13):
what, you know what , as I get older not as much as
when I was younger, you know,when I was younger, I can
honestly say you know very raw,very overly sensitive, you know
get hurt feelings easily.
Now, you know, in a moment, youknow, in our moments of weakness
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, I think we all default tothose things that we have, each
and every one of us.
But I think as I get, as I'vegotten older and I'm getting
older, you know what I'm slowingdown.
I'm becoming a little morecontemplative, a little more
reflective, not so hard onmyself as I look back and I look
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back on my broader experienceof history, you know what I mean
and I realize that, okay, youknow there will be another day,
you know there will be anotheropportunity.
And yeah, I have those, justlike we all do.
But I look at more of selfreflection now in those times
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and kind of go, okay, I can't dothat again, but but again, I'd
be a liar if I said it didn'taffect me.
Of course it affects me, butnot as much as when I would be
younger, I think.
Lisa Peters (22:30):
I appreciate that.
Because I that?
Because when you talk toyounger ones, it's like you're
going to experience this and I'mon that reflective side, it
doesn't bother me as much, itstill does, but I think,
surrounding ourselves withleaders, that we can talk about
it.
So for these companies that aredoing it, or the city police,
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they're providing you an outletyou know their employees an
outlet to talk.
So it's an amazing program.
So I want to ask you a littlebit about your best principle of
success.
You know we all have one.
We move forward with what wethink is our best principle of
success.
If you have one and if you cantell us a story.
John Morris (23:19):
Hmm, wow, good question.
I think my success is reallybeing able to take all like my
life experience, my training, myequipping, my you know, my
reading.
I constantly read.
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I'm constantly readingleadership books, I'm constantly
reading fiction.
I'm reading.
I try to stay away from thenews as much as I can.
My wife fills me in witheverything that's going on.
I don't need to really look formyself.
I try to stay away from thepolitical aspect of things.
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So I try to stay away from thenegative things that will drain
me.
I'm a very positive person.
You know, when I was generalmanaging one company, I would
walk in and this one guy, hesays, hey, Lucky, how you doing
today.
And I go Lucky, why do you callme Lucky?
And he says, well, becauseyou're always up, you're always
upbeat, you're always positive,you're always, you know,
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engaging with people.
You're always.
And so I think the greatestthing that I really do have is
my love for people.
I really do.
I love people and I'minterested in people.
I care for people deeply.
If you would go to each one ofthese places that I'm involved
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in my church, they would, Ithink would tell you that I care
deeply for people.
I'm a real heart guy, you know,and a big sappy guy.
I can cry very easily, and sosensitivity right, but just
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really taking everything that Iam and just coming alongside of
people and championing them withwhat I see, that and who they
are, in their value, theirskills, their just their value
and their worth as a human being, right.
So I don't know if that answersyour question or not, but..
.
Lisa Peters (25:29):
I think yeah, I was just going to reiterate just
you know you talk a lot aboutjust using the experience.
You've got 38 years of peopleand if it's constantly reading
about people staying away fromthe news, letting your wife give
you that, always positive.
We all want to be around peoplelike that and we want to share
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because you'll make us feelbetter about our problems.
John Morris (25:53):
Well, you know what I think too, I've got a gift,
and I think the gift is beingable to walk into any situation,
and I'm not intimidated by youknow like, they brought me into
a room when I was going to comeinto the chaplaincy and they did
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a big horseshoe with eight foottables and they brought lunches
in and we all had our masks on.
It was just at the beginning,you know, kind of in COVID still
, and then we were able to sitdown behind our table and it was
like a huge room, it was thecommunity room down at the
service, and there was like thechief, the two deputies, there
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was all these people.
I'd never met these people atall, ever.
And they're asking me thesequestions and you know all these
different things, and I'm justanswering them and I'm quite
enjoying this.
You know, I'm not intimidatedreally by this.
I'm curious about it and I'masking them questions back.
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And then I, towards the end, Isaid, I said, can you do me a
favor though If I, you know,every night I go out, sit in my
hot tub, there's, there's thisguy that's flying around and
he's dive bombing me, can youkind of get him to stop doing
that?
Okay, well, that just breaksthe ice, right?
People look at that and humorand just being able to see the
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levity and the lightness.
But then we were also talkingabout very, very personal and
deep things as well in that, andI think that's just abilities
that you know God's given me Ibelieve it's a God- given, you
know ability to be able torelate with people on whatever
level.
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So I mean that could be a topexecutive or it could be like in
my life coaching.
I've coached teenagers.
I was a youth pastor for yearsand years and years and years.
So I was a children's pastor,you know, for quite some time.
So if they're children, youngadults, youth, all over, it
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doesn't matter.
You know, it's the interest inwho people are.
Lisa Peters (28:10):
Thank you for that.
So we're on to the last coupleof questions.
And Leader Impact is dedicatedto leaders having a lasting
impact.
So you have.
You have had an impact on somany people and I'm wondering
when you leave this world, whatdo you want your faith legacy to
be when you are gone?
John Morris (28:40):
my, my faith legacy and I I've heard this said and
I echo this is you know what we,it's all about family.
You know you're going to makeme cry.
Lisa Peters (28:56):
Is this where I'm supposed to inject humor and
make something?
John Morris (29:01):
To me it's all about family and if I've if I've
, you know, been in this lifeand I've I've just been a leader
.
You know what is it if Ihaven't been able to lead in my
own family?
My biggest joy, and my biggestsuccess that my young adult,
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well adult kids still love tohang out with mom and dad.
We do our family vacationstogether.
They're two girls, they'restill single, but so, guess what
?
You know, dad, I need to helpme with my car.
Dad can you help me with this?
Dad can you help me with that?
You know mom, can you know theylean on mom and dad quite a bit
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.
My one daughter, she's still.
They live in BC and every youknow, on her way home from work
and her little commute, shephones home every day and just
talks with us.
You know she can't get ahold ofher mom, she phones dad and so
you know, my biggest thing isthat.
You know my girls.
You know they're decent humanbeings and I think that's the
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greatest thing that I could everhope for.
They're hard workers, they lovethe Lord, they're apart
involved in .
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It.
They're just decent people andI'm so proud of them, of who
they become.
To me that is a sign of I'vedone okay.
If my girls are still, you knowyou write things in your Bible
and I've got you know thingsI've written, you know, in my
Bible.
You know, one day, when I'mgone, they'll be able to take my
Bible and read it and I just,you know, I've written to them.
You know these different things.
Growing up with the girls, Iheld to you know certain things.
As for me and my house, we willserve the Lord.
It wasn't me being a pastor bymyself.
Apart from anything, it was ourfamily unit that did everything
together.
The other kind of things is Ileaned in is when Jesus said to
his disciples greater works willyou do than these, and I've
always looked at this as I wantmy kids to do better than me.
I want them to excel.
I don't want them to have todeal with this.
They're going to deal with thesame stuff, but if they could
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deal with it, you know, as ayounger age than I did, and get
further ahead, being able towrap their head around those
issues of life before I did atmy age, or whatever, that's the
thing.
I just love to see them excel,and they're doing that so far
and I'm so proud of them.
So to me that's the gauge oftrue success is that you know,
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my kids still want to hang outwith me as I get older, as we
get older.
Lisa Peters (31:58):
Yeah, I have two children that live away from
home, and same thing.
They call they text.
If they can't get hold of one,they call the other.
It's so good.
John Morris (32:10):
It is.
Lisa Peters (32:11):
And it's so different than when we were
young.
There was no phone calls allthe time, there was no
FaceTiming, there was not Ben,you know.
So we're pretty.
Parenting is just a little biteasier, a little bit harder, a
little bit easier.
John Morris (32:22):
Yeah, absolutely yeah.
Lisa Peters (32:24):
John, I want to thank you for taking the last
half hour with us.
It goes so fast.
And I think we can talk, for Iknow it's like what 30 minutes.
I just want to thank john@ forjmdiversity.
ca scheduling us in your day.
I find it fascinating thecorporations that do hire you as
chaplain.
I didn't know enough about itand I absolutely love it.
(32:44):
And I knew about the citypolice.
Saskatoon city police in my owntown does it.
But I just thank you foreverything you do and explaining
to us between pastor andchaplain.
For our listeners it's been afabulous half hour.
Thank you for joining us.
If someone wants to find you,to reach out to you, engage with
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you, what is the best way to dothat?
John Morris (33:07):
They can get hold of me through my website.
It's jamdiversity, and then anemail on there.
Whatever john at jmdiversitycais good, but it's Diversity Life
Coaching with Johnny Morris.
That's a John good way to get ahold of me.
Or they can get a hold of methrough my church.
(33:30):
It's Carpenter's Church,saskatoon, and feel free to
reach out in any way.
I'm an open book.
Lisa Peters (33:39):
I always say questions are free, right, if
you just have a question on howare you doing this, what will be
my next steps?
Like, just ask, they're free.
So, john, thank you again forjoining us.
John Morris (33:50):
Thank you for having me.
Really appreciate that, Lisa.
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I'm your host, Lisa Peters, andour guest today is John Morris.
John is passionate about lifeand encourages people to live in
purpose and achieve fulfillment.
He is diversity life coachingwith John Morris, providing a
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down-to-earth approach indealing with the many
complexities life brings our way.
Utilizing 38 years in thepeople business, John comes
alongside of individuals,empowering them to move forward
in life to reach their desiredgoals.
He's been married for 39 yearsto Charmaine and has two
daughters, Kayleen and Shawnee.
John says single or married,top executive or youth in school
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, we all deal with the samestuff.
It's personal at all levels.
Today, I'm excited to chat toJohn about his leadership role
with the City of Saskatoon'sPolice Service and the corporate
world.
Welcome to the show
John Morris (01:31):
Thanks for having me.
Lisa appreciate that.
Lisa Peters (01:34):
So I went to your website and I love how, once
people get to know you, theycall you Johnny.
So I'll wait and I'll see howit goes, and by the end I'll be
like Johnny.
John Morris (01:44):
Johnny, johnny, yeah, you know that came from
when I was doing my lifecoaching training.
They had you kind of go throughthis whole what would it be
called like procedure of who areyou and coming to your life
(02:04):
purpose statement, and it waslots of character, lots of play,
and they picked up on mypersonality right away and they
kind of likened me to the sloppydog as an analogy.
Believe it or not, it was fun.
And that's when they just saidyou know you need to be called
(02:26):
Johnny because that fits more ofwho you are.
Lisa Peters (02:29):
Wow See, I would have thought you would have
picked up Johnny in a lockerroom or a right like a sports
team.
I don't know, Johnny.
John Morris (02:37):
Well, that all that all takes, takes with that as
well.
So yeah, yeah, for sure.
Lisa Peters (02:46):
All right, Well, we will jump right into it.
I'm excited to hear a littlebit more about how you got to
where you are today and reallykind of those pivotal moments of
you know the 38 years, becauseyou say you have been in the
people business.
So yeah, share a little bitmore.
John Morris (03:00):
Well, I say people business because I you know 39
years of pastoral ministry rightfrom you know, young, trying to
figure out what I was going todo in life and then following
the Bible college route andtheology and then getting into
being a youth pastor.
(03:21):
I've been a children's pastor.
I've been a marriage pastor.
I've been an assistantassociate pastor.
You know you name it along thepastoral realm I've done it.
And just being involved inpeople and you know as much as I
just love people, you knowhighly relational with all the
(03:42):
things that I've been able to doand that's been a key of me
being able to evolve into, youknow, the various roles.
So I was in pastoral ministrykind of hit a burnout time and
then was looking at you knowwhat do I do now?
And stepped away and then Istarted to pursue my life
coaching.
(04:02):
And then during my lifecoaching, realizing that this is
a great addendum to otherthings that you do, but it
wasn't going to be the mainthing I did and so I kind of
(04:22):
went into general managing aconcrete restoration repair
company, believe it or not, yougo from pastoral ministry
leadership right into a companybecause of the leadership and
business aspect of ministrythat's involved.
And then while I was doing that, life coaching, training, kind
of going back into pastoralministry, but also then this
(04:44):
chaplaincy aspect opened up withthe corporate world.
So a company reached out to meand asked if I would be
interested in meeting with themand then so that's been kind of
the venue that opened and thenit just from relationship, it
just kind of snowballed fromthat.
(05:05):
So now I'm involved with fourdifferent chaplaincy aspects so
and pastoring at the same time.
Lisa Peters (05:22):
you tell me
John Morris (05:25):
Just in a church setting where you know there's
lots of good leadership stuffthat's going on, and just hit a
point where just becameall-consuming, not maintaining
balance, not maintaining thosethings in leadership that we are
(05:46):
taught and we're supposed to,by taking a break you know
taking your Sabbath or wouldrest times and you know pacing
yourself and then just gettinginundated with feeling
overwhelmed and just a lot.
Also, you know like you knowpeople talk about PTSD with you
know first responders, but inpastoral ministry we deal with a
(06:08):
lot of issues and I think overtime it was just wearing on me
and came to a point where mycoping mechanisms were all coped
out.
And so I got to a point where Ibut I didn't even realize I was
burnt out.
So I look back on it now and Icall it burnout.
(06:29):
But back then I would have justsaid you know, I was done, you
know done and finished Right.
Lisa Peters (06:36):
Yeah.
It's always easier to look back.
John Morris (06:38):
It is yeah, absolutely.
Lisa Peters (06:41):
Yeah, For our listeners.
Can you just share thedifference between being a
pastor and being a chaplain?
John Morris (06:49):
Well, pastor, you know that's the vocational thing
of connection with church.
Chaplain, and really what Ilook at it as is you're
pastoring people that are inbusiness.
You're still doing the samethings.
In chaplaincy it's reallycoming alongside individuals and
(07:13):
building relationship andrapport.
So it's being that consistentpresence.
It's in the differentchaplaincies I work with it's
still the same thing.
But you know it's just gettinginterested in people.
You know, asking curiousquestions, getting involved in
their families and asking abouttheir kids.
(07:48):
What amazes me is I am thechaplain at the Saskatoon Police
Service and I go into, I walkthe hallways.
I would stop in every,everywhere, every nook and
cranny in the police service,and I just make myself aware hey
, how are you guys doing today?
I'm John, I'm the chaplain hereintroducing myself for the
first time, or then it'scontinued conversations and I'm
really good with rememberingthings.
So I'll say, hey, how's yourkid doing with sports there?
(08:10):
And so these guys are not youknow.
.
.
You walk in and the ladies thatare working there, you walk into
their office and you see theiraccolades and their achievements
, but right on the wall, rightbeside all that, we'll say best
dad in the whole world.
And those are the things Ifocus in on.
I focus on the personal aspectsof their life.
(08:30):
So what happens is beingconsistent and being relational
is everybody has those moments.
They all face everybody, we allface our stuff and we'll hit a
wall.
We'll, you know, face acircumstance in our personal
life or professional life whereyou know people are just like
(08:53):
what do I do now?
And then that is when you know,that's when I come in.
By building that relationshipwith people, they reach out to
me or they'll lean in a littlebit easier.
And the consistency inchaplaincy is the conversations
go very quickly from hi, how areyou?
To you know the depths of, youknow, hey, I'm dealing with a
(09:15):
loss in my life, or hey, my kidsreally you know pushing my
buttons these days, or you know,and and the conversation just
really opens up.
So you know, if you ask, if youlisten, ask questions and
listen, people will tell you alot of their story.
And that's really whatchaplaincy is is that consistent
(09:38):
presence you know of beingthere, of being available, and
then when they need you, they'll, they will reach out.
Lisa Peters (09:47):
Yeah, would you say that police services, either
across Canada, acrossSaskatchewan, anywhere, do they
all have a chaplain?
Or is that sort of the chief issaying you know what, we need
this?
John Morris (10:00):
Yeah, I think more and more so.
I think you know I become amember of the Canadian
Association of Police Chaplainsacross Canada.
Bruce Awanashin is thepresident of that organization.
He is a retired member fromBrandon, Manitoba.
(10:22):
He actually retired to PrinceAlbert and I reached out to him
and I said hey, Bruce, if you'reever in town let me know.
You know love to have you comedown to the service.
I'll tour you through thebuilding.
You know I'll introduce you todifferent people and I was able
to during that time just buildrelationship and rapport and
(10:47):
there is quite a goodorganization across .
You know Canada, you know withyou know chaplaincy amongst city
police, local city police andRCMP, so it goes across the
board and it's become veryinterfaith as well in many of
the different agencies youthink it really takes on the
(11:11):
flavor of who the chaplain is aswell.
There's a lot of personalityinvolved in it with connection
with people and certain peoplewill have a great in and some
(13:03):
does that happen people willfind themselves trying to break
in and sometimes those circles.
You know policing is veryinteresting.
They're very interesting.
You know psyche involved inthat.
first started there you knowCam McBride, who's now our chief
, he gave me this book EmotionalSurvival for Law Enforcement
and I was reading through thebook and it really gave me a
great insight into, you know,the psyche of the police agency
and police members and it's beena great in that way.
So, meeting with Bruce andhaving him come, he was quite
surprised, how you know.
We were walking throughout thebuilding and afterwards he said
everybody knows who you are here.
And I said, well, I hope soBecause that's my goal, right,
but I've seen other and been onother zoom calls where other
chaplains and other places havehad a little bit of a struggle
or they're having a hard timebreaking in or, you know,
because of the agency, for whatit is and what they've been
experiencing in their agency.
So it's, it varies, you know.
Lisa Peters (12:36):
Yeah, and in regards to, I have never, I
don't think I've ever heard of ain a corporation like someone
that has someone that will comein and speak to us.
That's always the.
You know you can purchasecounseling or you can have
coaching.
How did and Reg so Quiring Iget it.
Because you're a, you knowyou're diversity coaching.
(12:57):
How did you get into being achaplain?
How?
John Morris (13:03):
does that happen?
Total fluke.
You know those things in lifethat come along and you Bitrix
company that I started with theyhad a chaplain and the chaplain
was leaving and he just namedropped me and then so they
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reached out to me that way.
So but then it's, it's, it'syou got to make your own way in
that because it's veryindividualistic, right.
And so that was with the onecompany and then it just kind of
snowballed.
I've been with that one companynow six years and then from
being with that one company,other other business owners will
(13:49):
then lean into that businessowner and say, hey, I hear
you've got this chaplain.
What does that look like, right?
And a good friend of mine, regQueering, who's one of the
owners of Q-Line Trucking, hehas chaplaincy, and so I was
very aware of it and at one timeway back when I'd been
(14:10):
interviewed by him and JNH, hiscousin, they kind of co-worked
with a chaplain and had kind ofgotten a little bit of insight
on that.
But then this other companyopened up and then from that it
just kind of went to anothercompany, then to another company
and then to another company andit was all through relationship
.
It becomes really an extensionof the wellness program.
(14:35):
The one company calls me theirwellness coordinator and life
coach, actually because theywanted to get away from the
chaplaincy stigma, and so whatit was is I'm looked at as the
HR on the ground.
So HR in the company will comealong, look after the employees
with their systems.
(14:56):
Here's counseling, here's thisor whatever.
You can reach out to this 1-800number, I become the 1-800
number with the company and asI'm the face to that company,
they get to know me and then sowhen they get to that point they
go hey, are you needing this?
Here's John.
So I've done marriagecounseling, I've done weddings,
(15:20):
I've done funerals, I've doneall sorts of different things.
Coming alongside of, you know,the workers in these individual
companies.
One of the companies, theworkers in these individual
companies of the companies,bightrix, like e-bikes, is a lot
of new immigrants to Canada.
So I become the Canadian experton the ground and they ask me
(15:44):
all these different questions.
And I'm only an expert becauseI was born and raised in Canada.
But you know, along the way youread, you get educated, you
take courses and it's taking allthese things that you put into
your life that come out inservice.
(16:06):
You know, and coming alongsideof these people, really I look
at it as an opportunity.
It is to serve.
I serve, you know, these peopleas I serve in the church.
I serve these companies and Iserve these people, these
employees in the companies.
.
(18:50):
.
.
Lisa Peters (16:24):
Wonderful.
Thank you for explaining that,because I think our viewers
would.
I didn't really know about it,but even your definition of
sometimes they call you awellness and HR coordinator I
mean I've heard of that, butyeah, so thank you.
So, listening to you, I'm sureyou've had failures and mistakes
and I think we all know welearn.
(19:13):
.
.
from our failures mistake thanour successes.
So I'm wondering if you havesomething you could share a
failure, mistake that you couldshare, story that goes with it
and what you learned.
John Morris (19:15):
She was, I think sometimes it's it's.
You know, we always talk aboutawareness and reading the room,
becoming aware, and I I'musually very good at being aware
, but over familiarity sometimeswe let our guard down.
And there was one time I wasjoking around as I do, and I
banter back and forth with thepeople as you build relationship
right, and there was instancewhere I said something and I
didn't even think anything of it.
It's one of those comments wemake flippantly, but later on I
got an email from a femaleemployee just saying how you
know, what I said, you know, wasa little bit insensitive,
because some people, you know,deal with certain things, and it
just, it just caught me up.
I mean, of course, Iimmediately responded back to
her and I said I am so sorrythat was not my intent, but it
reminded me that we need towatch our words and we need to
be on guard and aware, and moreso, aware when we're in those
functions.
Aware when we're in thosefunctions, not just to take it
so casually, but be very, veryintentional.
You know, and theintentionality of it is being
aware of your surroundings andrealizing you're there.
You know they're engaging withme on a contract, so they're
paying me to do this stuff.
Contracts, so they're paying meto do this stuff.
And so I want to do my bestbefore them and obviously for
myself.
You know, I don't want peopleto think ill of me at all.
I'm there to come alongside andhelp.
So I think sometimes it's justthe over familiarity of being a
little bit too casual and andnot dropping that intentionality
.
You know that that is that isneeded.
Lisa Peters (18:57):
Yeah, when you, when you had said the comment,
was made, did you, did ever?
Did you feel it?
of look around the room?
Did you read the room at all,or you didn't?
You didn't see it, and maybethis woman emails you.
Was it a female?
Was it very like you know she?
John Morris (19:15):
was kind.
She was kind, yeah, yeah, shewas kind and she said you know,
I see the role that you playhere and it's very integral and
I so appreciate I see how youinteract with everybody.
But you made that one comment,and it was a comment.
I don't want to, you know,divulge anything other than it
(19:36):
was very personal to her and andit was me just not being
sensitive in that moment, it Ididn't even know that I did it.
You know, it was a situationwhere I was standing between two
, two kind of cubicle desks andI was engaging with the one
person and the other person andso we were talking back and
(19:59):
forth and so I didn't even seeher reaction to the comment and
she didn't let on at that moment.
Usually, if I'm engaged with aperson, I'm a pretty good read
on people, I can see that, butit just was the scenario of
where I just wasn't quite ableto read that.
Lisa Peters (20:16):
So know.
You comment.
Watch our words.
John Morris (20:22):
Yeah, it's, it's those moments, and you know what
they're they, they catch us upand it it causes us to kind of
those, those, those mistakesthat we make cause us to, you
know, catch ourselves up alittle bit and go okay, you know
, what am I doing, what's mypurpose, what am I doing?
You know, and you know whereelse maybe have I done that
(20:46):
without really realizing it.
And then again, leaning intothat, what am I?
And for?
What am I doing?
What's my function?
How do I you know, how do I dothis effectively?
m
Lisa Peters (20:59):
Yeah, do you live with the guilt of something
you've done as much as I do?
You know when you do somethingwrong and you're like, oh, and
then you think all these peopleknow, they heard, you know, and
it eats me up.
I know, you know
John Morris (21:13):
what, you know what , as I get older not as much as
when I was younger, you know,when I was younger, I can
honestly say you know very raw,very overly sensitive, you know
get hurt feelings easily.
Now, you know, in a moment, youknow, in our moments of weakness
(21:36):
, I think we all default tothose things that we have, each
and every one of us.
But I think as I get, as I'vegotten older and I'm getting
older, you know what I'm slowingdown.
I'm becoming a little morecontemplative, a little more
reflective, not so hard onmyself as I look back and I look
(21:58):
back on my broader experienceof history, you know what I mean
and I realize that, okay, youknow there will be another day,
you know there will be anotheropportunity.
And yeah, I have those, justlike we all do.
But I look at more of selfreflection now in those times
(22:19):
and kind of go, okay, I can't dothat again, but but again, I'd
be a liar if I said it didn'taffect me.
Of course it affects me, butnot as much as when I would be
younger, I think.
Lisa Peters (22:30):
I appreciate that.
Because I that?
Because when you talk toyounger ones, it's like you're
going to experience this and I'mon that reflective side, it
doesn't bother me as much, itstill does, but I think,
surrounding ourselves withleaders, that we can talk about
it.
So for these companies that aredoing it, or the city police,
(22:51):
they're providing you an outletyou know their employees an
outlet to talk.
So it's an amazing program.
So I want to ask you a littlebit about your best principle of
success.
You know we all have one.
We move forward with what wethink is our best principle of
success.
If you have one and if you cantell us a story.
John Morris (23:19):
Hmm, wow, good question.
I think my success is reallybeing able to take all like my
life experience, my training, myequipping, my you know, my
reading.
I constantly read.
(23:40):
I'm constantly readingleadership books, I'm constantly
reading fiction.
I'm reading.
I try to stay away from thenews as much as I can.
My wife fills me in witheverything that's going on.
I don't need to really look formyself.
I try to stay away from thepolitical aspect of things.
(24:04):
So I try to stay away from thenegative things that will drain
me.
I'm a very positive person.
You know, when I was generalmanaging one company, I would
walk in and this one guy, hesays, hey, Lucky, how you doing
today.
And I go Lucky, why do you callme Lucky?
And he says, well, becauseyou're always up, you're always
upbeat, you're always positive,you're always, you know,
(24:27):
engaging with people.
You're always.
And so I think the greatestthing that I really do have is
my love for people.
I really do.
I love people and I'minterested in people.
I care for people deeply.
If you would go to each one ofthese places that I'm involved
(24:48):
in my church, they would, Ithink would tell you that I care
deeply for people.
I'm a real heart guy, you know,and a big sappy guy.
I can cry very easily, and sosensitivity right, but just
(25:14):
really taking everything that Iam and just coming alongside of
people and championing them withwhat I see, that and who they
are, in their value, theirskills, their just their value
and their worth as a human being, right.
So I don't know if that answersyour question or not, but..
.
Lisa Peters (25:29):
I think yeah, I was just going to reiterate just
you know you talk a lot aboutjust using the experience.
You've got 38 years of peopleand if it's constantly reading
about people staying away fromthe news, letting your wife give
you that, always positive.
We all want to be around peoplelike that and we want to share
(25:50):
because you'll make us feelbetter about our problems.
John Morris (25:53):
Well, you know what I think too, I've got a gift,
and I think the gift is beingable to walk into any situation,
and I'm not intimidated by youknow like, they brought me into
a room when I was going to comeinto the chaplaincy and they did
(26:14):
a big horseshoe with eight foottables and they brought lunches
in and we all had our masks on.
It was just at the beginning,you know, kind of in COVID still
, and then we were able to sitdown behind our table and it was
like a huge room, it was thecommunity room down at the
service, and there was like thechief, the two deputies, there
(26:35):
was all these people.
I'd never met these people atall, ever.
And they're asking me thesequestions and you know all these
different things, and I'm justanswering them and I'm quite
enjoying this.
You know, I'm not intimidatedreally by this.
I'm curious about it and I'masking them questions back.
(26:57):
And then I, towards the end, Isaid, I said, can you do me a
favor though If I, you know,every night I go out, sit in my
hot tub, there's, there's thisguy that's flying around and
he's dive bombing me, can youkind of get him to stop doing
that?
Okay, well, that just breaksthe ice, right?
People look at that and humorand just being able to see the
(27:20):
levity and the lightness.
But then we were also talkingabout very, very personal and
deep things as well in that, andI think that's just abilities
that you know God's given me Ibelieve it's a God- given, you
know ability to be able torelate with people on whatever
level.
(27:41):
So I mean that could be a topexecutive or it could be like in
my life coaching.
I've coached teenagers.
I was a youth pastor for yearsand years and years and years.
So I was a children's pastor,you know, for quite some time.
So if they're children, youngadults, youth, all over, it
(28:03):
doesn't matter.
You know, it's the interest inwho people are.
Lisa Peters (28:10):
Thank you for that.
So we're on to the last coupleof questions.
And Leader Impact is dedicatedto leaders having a lasting
impact.
So you have.
You have had an impact on somany people and I'm wondering
when you leave this world, whatdo you want your faith legacy to
be when you are gone?
John Morris (28:40):
my, my faith legacy and I I've heard this said and
I echo this is you know what we,it's all about family.
You know you're going to makeme cry.
Lisa Peters (28:56):
Is this where I'm supposed to inject humor and
make something?
John Morris (29:01):
To me it's all about family and if I've if I've
, you know, been in this lifeand I've I've just been a leader
.
You know what is it if Ihaven't been able to lead in my
own family?
My biggest joy, and my biggestsuccess that my young adult,
(29:28):
well adult kids still love tohang out with mom and dad.
We do our family vacationstogether.
They're two girls, they'restill single, but so, guess what
?
You know, dad, I need to helpme with my car.
Dad can you help me with this?
Dad can you help me with that?
You know mom, can you know theylean on mom and dad quite a bit
(29:51):
.
My one daughter, she's still.
They live in BC and every youknow, on her way home from work
and her little commute, shephones home every day and just
talks with us.
You know she can't get ahold ofher mom, she phones dad and so
you know, my biggest thing isthat.
You know my girls.
You know they're decent humanbeings and I think that's the
(30:15):
greatest thing that I could everhope for.
They're hard workers, they lovethe Lord, they're apart
involved in .
(31:07):
It.
They're just decent people andI'm so proud of them, of who
they become.
To me that is a sign of I'vedone okay.
If my girls are still, you knowyou write things in your Bible
and I've got you know thingsI've written, you know, in my
Bible.
You know, one day, when I'mgone, they'll be able to take my
Bible and read it and I just,you know, I've written to them.
You know these different things.
Growing up with the girls, Iheld to you know certain things.
As for me and my house, we willserve the Lord.
It wasn't me being a pastor bymyself.
Apart from anything, it was ourfamily unit that did everything
together.
The other kind of things is Ileaned in is when Jesus said to
his disciples greater works willyou do than these, and I've
always looked at this as I wantmy kids to do better than me.
I want them to excel.
I don't want them to have todeal with this.
They're going to deal with thesame stuff, but if they could
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deal with it, you know, as ayounger age than I did, and get
further ahead, being able towrap their head around those
issues of life before I did atmy age, or whatever, that's the
thing.
I just love to see them excel,and they're doing that so far
and I'm so proud of them.
So to me that's the gauge oftrue success is that you know,
(31:52):
my kids still want to hang outwith me as I get older, as we
get older.
Lisa Peters (31:58):
Yeah, I have two children that live away from
home, and same thing.
They call they text.
If they can't get hold of one,they call the other.
It's so good.
John Morris (32:10):
It is.
Lisa Peters (32:11):
And it's so different than when we were
young.
There was no phone calls allthe time, there was no
FaceTiming, there was not Ben,you know.
So we're pretty.
Parenting is just a little biteasier, a little bit harder, a
little bit easier.
John Morris (32:22):
Yeah, absolutely yeah.
Lisa Peters (32:24):
John, I want to thank you for taking the last
half hour with us.
It goes so fast.
And I think we can talk, for Iknow it's like what 30 minutes.
I just want to thank john@ forjmdiversity.
ca scheduling us in your day.
I find it fascinating thecorporations that do hire you as
chaplain.
I didn't know enough about itand I absolutely love it.
(32:44):
And I knew about the citypolice.
Saskatoon city police in my owntown does it.
But I just thank you foreverything you do and explaining
to us between pastor andchaplain.
For our listeners it's been afabulous half hour.
Thank you for joining us.
If someone wants to find you,to reach out to you, engage with
(33:04):
you, what is the best way to dothat?
John Morris (33:07):
They can get hold of me through my website.
It's jamdiversity, and then anemail on there.
Whatever john at jmdiversitycais good, but it's Diversity Life
Coaching with Johnny Morris.
That's a John good way to get ahold of me.
Or they can get a hold of methrough my church.
(33:30):
It's Carpenter's Church,saskatoon, and feel free to
reach out in any way.
I'm an open book.
Lisa Peters (33:39):
I always say questions are free, right, if
you just have a question on howare you doing this, what will be
my next steps?
Like, just ask, they're free.
So, john, thank you again forjoining us.
John Morris (33:50):
Thank you for having me.
Really appreciate that, Lisa.
leaderimpact.
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leaderimpact.
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All right.
Well, I want to thank everyonefor joining us here at Leader
Impact.
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