July 9, 2025 • 33 mins
Dave Smith, an award-winning executive coach with decades of organizational leadership experience, shares his journey through multiple career pivots and how they shaped his understanding of success and leadership impact. He explores how his faith and personal values transformed his approach to leadership, helping him move from fear-driven decisions to purpose-driven impact.
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
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I'm your host, lisa Peters, andour guest today is Dave Smith.
Dave has decades of experienceas an organizational leader and
15 plus years as aninternational award-winning
executive coach and teamfacilitator.
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He has served on corporateC-suites, including as CEO and
an SME business owner, buildingvisions, strategies and
delivering successes that growvalues, cultures and ROI.
Dave has a special passion forgreenfield business launches and
igniting culturaltransformation.
In 2010, he co-founded LogiaConsulting Incorporated and in
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2020, co-founded VirtualLeadership Matters, incorporated
.
Prior to that, he was on thefounding leadership team of two
Canadian financial servicescompanies and on numerous boards
.
He's been very active ininnovation and training,
development in general and mostnotably in financial products
and payment card technology.
David has led and coached teamsspread across Canada for over
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20 years, including one ofCanada's 50 best managed
companies.
He takes special joy in beingwith his wife, children and
grandchildren as they grow inthis world, active at almost
everything under the sun,including their faith community.
Welcome to the show, dave.
It is nice to meet you.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
It's great to meet you, Lisa.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
So when I'm reading your pod, so I'm reading your
intro.
It said I want to make surethat people know what an SME
business owner, which is SmallMedium Enterprise.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Correct, yes.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Okay, and I don't think I've heard of Logia.
Tell us a little bit about thatbefore we begin.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Logia.
Well, it's actually a Greekword and, as we were discerning
our business about 15 years agowhich is one of the pivot points
in my career and that of mywife we were looking to name our
little enterprise and, throughjust some imagination and some
search, we stumbled onto theword Logia, which means the
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maxims, utterances, sayings of aleader.
Okay, I love it and we areleadership consultants and
coaches, so it fit really wellin the URL and everything that
was required to access.
It was free and open, so it wasjust jammed up for us.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
More importantly, it was free and open All right.
Well, I think it's a good name.
People probably ask you what isLogia?
And it starts a greatconversation.
So thanks for starting there.
So we do want to hear a littlebit more about you.
That's what we do here on ourpodcast, so a little bit about
your professional story, butreally I want to hear about
those pivotal turning pointsthat got you from, got you from
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where you are or where you wereto where you are on your journey
lots of pivots in in my journeystory if we go pre-work uh,
moving across the country withmy father who was in the RCMP,
so I've seen lots of differentlocations.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Landed in the prairies, which has been home
pretty well since then.
The first major pivot wasuniversity leaving small town
North Battleford to move to bigcity of Saskatoon and trying to
decide what to be.
My first pivot was realizingthat my dream of law school was
probably not going to workbecause I didn't like it.
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I ended up taking a businesslaw class and I hated it.
Irony being I would later on ina future career do a lot of
work reading legal contracts andstuck in that for many, many
hours.
But anyways, I chose businessand it was great.
I love studying it.
I took a generalist approach toit with a couple of different
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majors and then my second pivotarrived, which was the recession
in and around 1982.
And you'll hear the themerecession a couple of times in
my narrative here.
But that recession kind ofdried up all the job
opportunities.
There were only a few offersand thankfully I got one that I
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loved.
It required a move and I workedin the petroleum industry for
five years and it was wonderful.
I had some more responsibilitythan I deserved or earned.
I learned a lot in those firstfew years that I deserved or
earned learned a lot in thosefirst few years.
Then I pivoted from financialor from from that into financial
services, which was a big dealfor me.
I had lots of opportunity inthe petroleum world, but I
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decided that I wanted to dosomething that was maybe a
little less tangible but moreimportant for people, thinking
about mortgages and loans andall of the things that support
people.
I was more attracted to thatproduct line than the petroleum
product line.
So I made a jump and it waswonderful.
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I enjoyed it.
I worked and saw a lot ofsuccess, moved from marketing
into finance, and then my nextpivot was working as a corporate
banking CEO within a divisionwithin the company that I had
been serving within, to movefrom a mid-management position
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to a CEO.
I was a startup at that andsituated across Western Canada.
That was a big step for me andin my career.
It led me to some great results, some great confidence and the
desire and ability to bid intoanother pivot, which was a
national company, a wealthmanagement company that I served
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on the leadership team for fiveyears.
Then the next really big pivotand this is where Logia comes
into the scene During therecession of 2008, 2009,.
I had sort of looked over andstewarded three downsizing in my
national team and it was myturn to have a look in the
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mirror to see if I was providingvalue there and whether or not
I stay, and it ended up in aseverance.
So I was given the opportunityto like after high school or
after university, what do I wantto do next?
And that led to a pretty strongdiscernment process where I
looked at redoing my values andmy mission, what I really wanted
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to do, and ultimately I decidedto take the narrow path, the
narrow road, and do consultingand coaching, which is the most
difficult and it's proven to be.
However, we're 15 years intoLogia.
I've worked personally with over450 leaders and their teams in
Saskatchewan, but also in otherparts of Canada, and had just a
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wonderful, wonderful time.
The most recent pivot, which ismore of an intellectual one, is
learning about neuroscience andpositive psychology the last
four or five years andintegrating that into our
toolkit for coaching andtraining.
It's been very helpfulpersonally going through things
like COVID, some mental or somephysical challenges and then
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even some next pivot challenges.
About two weeks ago we becameempty nesters.
Is that a good thing?
Figuring all of that out?
A big pivot where we have a lotmore time for ourselves, and
what do we do next?
So that's kind of the career ina nutshell A lot of different
opportunities, lots of pivoting,lots of risk taken and the need
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for some enduring faith, aswe've gone through a lot of
those journeys.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Yeah, I have loved listening to this and I wonder
if, in the time that you'redoing these pivots and you've
used the word opportunities, soyou know you pivoted, it was an
opportunity.
Pivot did you when you were init, did you see it as an
opportunity?
Was there ever any fear?
Because I think people, wedon't want to make change, we
fear change.
So I just wonder, when you werein those pivots, were you
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excited?
Speaker 1 (08:26):
I mean, once one was a severance package.
But Wonderful, insightfulquestion.
I would have to say personallyI was probably driven for the
early part of my career more byfear than by opportunity.
So fear was probably aprevalent thing and
unfortunately, many of theleaders I work with work with
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fear.
And how to define it, how toidentify it, probably came more
apparent to me as I started tostudy neuroscience and some of
the tools and systems that weuse there.
As people are, we're actuallyable to measure our amount of
negative thinking.
Yeah, and there can be a lot.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
So would you say it was the fear of failure?
Or you've like what was thefear?
Yeah, like what is dry, you sayit's dry, probably failure.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
I remember the day where I sold a board on the
capital requirements to build anew company and bring in
technology and hire people fromall the banks.
And, yeah, knowing that therewas a need for a return and
accountability along with it,like every other business owner,
just finishing seasonalinventory and sending a you know
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, making commitments there wasthere was certainly a lot of
fear around that.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
It worked.
Yeah, clearly you're doing well.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
However, the level of happiness can be found more if
we're using other parts of ourbrain and perhaps looking into
our faith as well.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Yeah, one of the comments you made was about
going to law school and yourealized, oh, you didn't like
law, I wanted to be a scientist.
And then I went.
I don't even like science, sodidn't go there.
So I laughed when you said that.
All right, a lot of greatcomments.
I have so many good.
I've written notes here and Ithink of the recession it
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definitely teaches a lot aboutbusiness.
It teaches you made a comment.
I think it teaches us a lotabout ourselves.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Absolutely.
I think that sometimes, duringrecession, we get lulled into
the sense of success and it's afalse success.
People around me with a lot ofexperience, as I've navigated as
a business owner, a leader, asan employer during recessions
what do we do with this?
And I always heard don't wastea good recession and if there
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are things that you need to do,take advantage of the
opportunity.
Don't lie back and think aboutthe prosperity that we've had
and squander it.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Okay, good, great advice, to which I can't even
imagine my next question when Iask you your best principle of
success, if you have one, and astory that illustrates that.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
I have several, and usually they're from the school
of hard knocks but or elsegreater learning later on.
The one that I would point tomostly is trying to know what
success is from a personalperspective and really defining
it and aspire for it.
And success, it and success.
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We can look to power, we canlook to prestige.
We could look to position orour job rules.
We can look to pleasure, whenwe think about vacations and and
cruises and all sorts of things, and we can think about
prosperity and the size of ourbank account or our investment
portfolio.
Now, all of those are are okayand they're good, but in
themselves they're not veryfulfilling.
For one to get to a sense ofsuccess and what is it?
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We're all teleological people.
When we have a sense of whatsuccess is or a goal, we'll go
to it.
We'll somehow we'll go in thatdirection.
It's so ensuring that it's notonly one of those or a blend of
those Most successful peoplethat I've run into and I've
worked with a lot of otherleadership coaches that have had
really great experiences andlong, long histories.
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They find that the people thatare successful typically aren't
idle, they're busy.
They don't worry about spending.
You know, spending amount oftime or effort they give of
themselves.
But they are also involved infamily.
They're involved in their faith, they're involved in their
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finances.
They have fun, they havefriends, they look at their
physical self, spiritual self.
They do all of those things.
Those typically are the mostsuccessful people and those that
go beyond a sense of self andwanting to give and share and
support other people.
That's where you're going toget success.
To get on that route, we doneed to know what our values are
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.
I've coached 450 people andthen more when I've worked
within their individual teams,and I would say a couple of
dozen of them came loaded withwhat they would say their life
values are Very few and valuesare so important in the
decisions that we make in ourlives.
So, in addition to knowing whatsuccess is so that we can
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aspire to it, and then gettingour values in place, yeah, I
think you said this.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
But when you coach, did you say, like how many
people come loaded with thedefinition of success is to
personal, is to personal.
What did you say?
It's a personal thing.
Success versus success on theladder.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Would you say you see all types.
I do and I would say mostpeople that I end up interacting
with have a lot of formation todo around mission, vision and
values.
We live in a world where ourinstitutions haven't been as
focused on that, I believe, andwe're technically and
academically astute.
However, there are parts of ourown personal development, our
own personal leadership, thatcan use some enhancement, some
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growth.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Yeah, say that, um, uh, I have changed over, and
maybe this is a common thing.
But over the past many years,when I was young, it was success
meant up the ladder right, andthen, as I got older, I went
wait a minute.
Success is my, my personalvalues, my goals.
You know, being happy is ismore success, but it's an age
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for me.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
For me a personal story.
I guess I was driven by by theprestige or the position as a,
as a young, a young person.
I was a CEO by 35.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Leading a company with a market value that was
like $40 million when wetransitioned it to another
organization which I was alsoinvolved in leadership.
But it was important to me then, not important to me now, but
there was an identity loss goingfrom senior corporate executive
to working in a small tomedium-sized enterprise.
Your identity is differentsmall to medium-sized enterprise
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.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Your identity is different.
Yes, I have felt that theidentity is different and
fabulous as well, so I'm sureyou have something here as well.
We're going to talk about fearsand failures because I think we
both know and you from coachingeven more we learn more from
our failures and mistakes thanour own successes, so wondering
if you have a story that youcould share and what you learned
from it.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Only one, lisa only one, only one, dave.
I can say I learned humilityvery quickly.
But one of the things thatperhaps is more widely relevant
for others is looking at thecomposition of teams and having
the difficult decision to removesomeone from a team, to take
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someone and give them anotherplace to be where they'll be
successful if they're not beingsuccessful on your team.
De-hiring, firing, if you willthat word we hear.
From my perspective, I haven'thad a lot of it.
I've been fortunate to workwith wonderful, wonderful people
.
However, on a few cases I havehad to and some of them have
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been my hires as opposed topeople that have been
grandfathered into the teams Iwas leading and that hurt.
And I would say that I let it gotoo long and allowed other
weird things to be going on inthe organization and other
people hurt by it.
For people who are by, peoplewho were performing and seeing
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others that weren't still beingallowed, you know, welcomed into
their, into their area, justdisappointed people by not
making changes and I know thatis often a fear of leaders
removing somebody from theirteam.
It requires a lot of thought, alot of prayer, research and
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then support to the individualas they go, but also to the
leaders that have to make thosetough decisions.
It's not easy to let someone go.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Yeah, so I don't know where I was and we reframed
that.
We're going to give you adifferent.
We think there's a differentopportunity out there for you.
We want you to grow and it'snot here Just the language of we
have to.
That person isn't doinganything for you, I mean, or
it's not working, it can worksomewhere else for them.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
I'm working with clients that are going through
that decision right now, yeah,and I can quite honestly say
that everyone that I've I've letgo um has has landed and are
doing well, and they're probablyin a better place than they,
than they were before.
So, um, so it's probably theright thing to do when something
doesn't go well.
I always think there's threethings that I can find.
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I can learn something.
I don't know what it is, butsomething will be learned.
There's a likelihood that a newskill will be gained of some
sort, and, you know, it might besomething really inspiring that
comes out of this.
There might be something,rather and it can be from even
tragic losses.
Mothers Against Drug Driversstarted with a mother who lost
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it was her daughter, I believe,and that's a horrific loss.
However, from that there waschange, and change at a global
level, change in good.
So, even how terrible theseerrors or mistakes or tragedies
are, we can find at least threethings some knowledge, some
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skills and perhaps some newinspiration to do something
different.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Yeah, our group is just reading the Difference
Maker by John Maxwell and thismorning the conversation was on
our attitude and when somethingbad happens, what is your
attitude about it?
And it starts there, becauseyou know it can be bad and you
can, you know, dwell on it, ormaybe it is an opportunity,
which is really hard.
Let's just have a 24 hour pityparty just saying and then, but
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then you got to move forward, soit's a great book.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Yeah, that's something wonderful about leader
impact groups and I've been apart of them for many years and
we journey together, it's upsand downs and we pray together.
We support each other.
That's wonderful.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
All right.
Well, what a nice segue into,obviously, leader impact,
because if people don't know, wewant people in our groups, our
leaders, to grow personally,professionally and spiritually
for increasing impact.
So would you be willing toshare a story, share an example
and a story of how the spiritualmakes a practical difference in
your life as a leader?
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Oh my gosh.
Well, I had a faith relive.
My faith was reinvigorated.
It was March 10th 2001, and analpha program and it led me to
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kind of a different way ofliving, different way of being,
and I was interested in so manythings and driven, and one of
the things was trying to figureout about this space of work and
it's so tough and grueling andpeople really toil there.
Is there something about myfaith, my spirituality that can
be done there and that led me toleader impact?
It was, and I've, I've beeninvolved in groups most of the
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time since.
So I, I to to go there.
It's, it's, it's a wonderfulexperience.
You, you, you learn humilitybecause you're working with
people that have similarexperiences to you or something
new that's really interesting toyou.
People communicate and it'sreal communication.
When you are working withpeople that are also on a faith
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journey, they'll be honest soquickly.
The path to trust is almostimmediate and that's really
helpful.
We also there's a great senseof empathy.
As we understand the principlesfor our faith and who we are
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faithful to and who has createdus.
We can understand the empathy,particular in different seasons
of the year, and this we happento be talking around Easter time
and it's right around thepassion of Jesus Christ.
So you know we understand whatwe're doing this for and why.
So it's very helpful for uspeople.
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It's probably not for thesuccess that I spoke of earlier,
the power and the prestige.
These are people wanting toperhaps, you know, maintain what
they have, but also use it forgood, make good things happen as
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part of their mission in life.
And so those are theexperiences that I've had, some
wonderful friendships that youknow I've well, so many of them,
and it's been a wonderfuljourney.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Yeah, I would everything you say.
We talked this morning aboutjust how this is one of the best
groups that we have surroundedourselves with.
When you think of people thatyou surround yourself with and
the groups that maybe youshouldn't hang out with, and
this was one group that thevulnerability of our stories
that are shared is.
Well, I'm on the A team.
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I just feel like I'm just partof an amazing team, so I
appreciate you sharing your ownstory of your own groups and
what you take from there.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
So I appreciate that I'm happy for you, Lisa, that
you've got that opportunity.
It's great.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
And I do two online groups, so our groups we have a
Regina-in-area and aSaskatoon-in-area, and we're
online Tuesdays and Wednesdaysmorning and people just log on
and log off.
So it's a good thing.
So we'll talk a little bit moreabout Leader Impact, because we
are dedicated to leaders havinga lasting impact.
So I'm just wondering, as youjourney, as you continue to
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journey, throughout your amazingpivoting and in your whole life
, have you wondered what youwant your faith legacy to be
when you leave this world?
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Oh my gosh, I as a person, my goals initially were
around the success and the verytangible components of it, and
it wasn't until my probably 30sthat I started thinking about
components of it.
And it wasn't until my probably30s that I started thinking
about things like, like BobBuford's book, halftime.
You know, you lead a life thatfirst part of your life you're
working on success and then thesecond part of your life if you
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do have a halftime, like in afootball game analogy you're
focused on significance to thatsuccess, on significance to that
success.
It was wonderful.
I have another book.
I love to read this bookClayton Christensen.
He's a professor at Harvard.
Harvard talks about how youmeasure your life thinking about
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that.
So I got into thinking aboutthis and doing more about it in
my 30s and I've been walkingwith a mission to plant little
seeds to help people grow toknow God.
Plant little seeds to helppeople grow to know God that's
my mission and so if I'msuccessful in that, I will see
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fruits and that's really how I'mmeasuring my success.
And as an individual.
Our company we're aboutempowering leaders and their
teams.
We want to empower leaders andtheir teams and we want to see
that.
So we're there Like a missionstatement.
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They all have a lot of meaningin each word Plant.
Well, plant means to start.
That means I'm not likely goingto be around for the harvest.
I'm planting seeds.
The little seeds might be likethe mustard seed that will start
from nothing and grow intosomething big.
And I can speak of clients thatI've worked with, that we've
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gone through the alpha programtogether in coaching mode.
I speak of clients that havehad major life conversions and
have moved on to different lives, in fact involved with clergy
or other things, all kinds ofwonderful things.
But I'm prepared just to beplanting the seeds to help
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people grow to know God.
We work in a secular world andthe idea of knowing their God
may be irrelevant to some, butit's still relevant to us and
we're still supporting people onthe spiritual journey,
advocates for the spiritualjourney, to help people grow to
the point where perhaps they areable to embrace faith from a
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sincere perspective.
Faith from a sincereperspective.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Yeah, it was our last podcast, or I think it was our
last one with Adam, and hetalked about that one person
that changed his way and he thenfound faith.
But we talked about there's.
You know, you just talked aboutplanting little seeds.
We may be just a seed insomeone's life.
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I call it a drip, Just a drip alittle.
You know, we're not always thebig one that they make the big
decision, but leading a goodlife and having them look at you
and say you know, what do youhave?
Why are you so successful?
What is it?
What is your answer to success,Is just lovely and I just
appreciate you sharing yourstories.
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I do want to ask you about thealpha program because I have
been looking into it.
But for anyone listening, isthis just something you did?
You just Google alpha or didyou see it in a church?
Or how did you get involved inthe alpha?
Speaker 1 (27:07):
program.
There's a much more intimateconnection my wife, who's also a
coach.
She works predominantly withwomen that are looking at
re-entering the workforce ortaking on new responsibilities
in the workforce.
I actually work with a lot ofwomen too.
Over half of my portfolio arewomen in the corporates that I
work with.
But she and a friend broughtthe Alpha program into our
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church in Regina years ago and Iwas told that I needed to come.
I got a summons and I had justtaken over as CEO for this
organization and we had a youngdaughter.
We have two adopted daughtersfrom China.
We just had an adoption.
I said you know, I'm reallybusy, I'm traveling, I've got
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all these things going on andI'll try to.
I'll make it out to the firstmeeting.
There was an epiphany in thatfirst meeting and I did not miss
any of them.
After that and for about fiveyears I was working with my wife
as a leader or co-leader in theAlpha program there and then
have been involved in it more insmall groups since then.
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It's a terrific program.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Yeah, all right, thanks.
Thanks for saying that.
I will continue to look into it.
I don't have anyone in thehouse that's gonna say show up,
so maybe I'll be that person.
Our last question for you iswhat brings you the greatest joy
?
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Oh my gosh.
Well, it's nothing material andI have to admit, lisa, thinking
about joy gets me ratherintrospective.
I like to understand what wordsmean and we hear an awful lot
about happiness now, peoplelooking for happiness everywhere
.
You need to be happy.
I have all kinds of books onhow to be happy from a
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psychological perspective, froman everyday sense perspective,
but not as much from thephilosophical or theological
perspective.
And when we start to look at itfrom a faith perspective, it's
something that transcends moremere happiness, where we're
having more positive thoughtsand negative thoughts.
It's something that's it's tiedto our purpose, it's tied to
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who we are, it's tied to innerpeace.
Um, it's, it's a tough and youknow, and joy is actually one of
the fruits of the holy spirit.
So it's, it's there, it'sendearing, it's a, an abiding
sense of well-being.
So we're rooted in ourrelationship with our God.
So that's what it is.
So joy.
Where do I find joy?
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Things that endure.
It's not in stuff, it's inpeople, usually my wife, my
children, my grandchildren, therelationships, people that are
close to me.
I find a lot of joy in thoseendearing long-term
relationships.
I get a lot of joy inwitnessing people grow, take
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steps and move forward, and ifit's towards a faith journey,
even more joy in that.
And I have to find that I findas much or maybe more joy in the
intimacy and quietness andpeace and stillness Prayer,
retreats, silent retreats,adoration, just adoring our
creator.
That's where I get more joythan anything else.
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And to round it all off, a gameof golf every once in a while,
right.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
That's lovely you just reminded me of.
There is an Alzheimer's Societyof Saskatchewan put out a video
by Dr Holly Bardutz and shetalked about brain health and
what we need to do and to stayhealthy in our brains.
And the one thing you said isjust the people who we are
surrounding ourselves with.
We must be in community withpeople, and even Harvard did the
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longest lasting I think theycalled it a happiness study, but
it was it's people.
But also, she noted, is justyes, we love to be with people
and we need our alone time too.
So acknowledge that you know weneed that too.
Pure joy.
Is there anything?
I feel like we could go on withthe stories.
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Dave, I want to thank you forjoining us.
Is there anything else?
Is it just you know?
Have I said anything?
Or you just want to shareanother story, because I feel
like you would be the guy thathas them all?
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Well, I just I want to say how grateful I am to
having had Leader Impact on myjourney as 15, 20 years ago.
It was a lot of newness and itwas wonderful to meet friends
then that I retain today, thathave been there for me, praying
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for me, and I'm praying for themor supporting each other.
It's been just a wonderfuljourney.
So I'm grateful to theHildebrands and the others that
were pioneers in this particulargroup to all the great work
that they've done in plantingseeds for the future, getting
ready for the harvest.
I'm grateful to be a part ofthat and I'm very happy to be
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here with you today, lisa.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Oh see, I knew there was something more.
That was a great pitch forLeader Impact, because it is a
great place to be and I know ourteam loves it.
Sounds you do too.
Now this ends our podcast, butif anyone wants to engage with
you, reach out to you.
Where's the best place to find?
Speaker 1 (32:30):
perhaps on our website um logiacom logiaca
logiaca that's l-o-g-i-aconsultingca all right, uh again
.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Thank you, dave, for just spending this last half
hour with us it's been a joy,all right all right.
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Welcome to the Leader Impact Podcast.
We are a community of leaderswith a network in over 350
cities around the worlddedicated to optimizing our
personal, professional andspiritual lives to have impact.
This show is where we have achance to listen and engage with
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website at leaderimpactcom.
I'm your host, lisa Peters, andour guest today is Dave Smith.
Dave has decades of experienceas an organizational leader and
15 plus years as aninternational award-winning
executive coach and teamfacilitator.
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He has served on corporateC-suites, including as CEO and
an SME business owner, buildingvisions, strategies and
delivering successes that growvalues, cultures and ROI.
Dave has a special passion forgreenfield business launches and
igniting culturaltransformation.
In 2010, he co-founded LogiaConsulting Incorporated and in
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2020, co-founded VirtualLeadership Matters, incorporated
.
Prior to that, he was on thefounding leadership team of two
Canadian financial servicescompanies and on numerous boards
.
He's been very active ininnovation and training,
development in general and mostnotably in financial products
and payment card technology.
David has led and coached teamsspread across Canada for over
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20 years, including one ofCanada's 50 best managed
companies.
He takes special joy in beingwith his wife, children and
grandchildren as they grow inthis world, active at almost
everything under the sun,including their faith community.
Welcome to the show, dave.
It is nice to meet you.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
It's great to meet you, Lisa.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
So when I'm reading your pod, so I'm reading your
intro.
It said I want to make surethat people know what an SME
business owner, which is SmallMedium Enterprise.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Correct, yes.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Okay, and I don't think I've heard of Logia.
Tell us a little bit about thatbefore we begin.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Logia.
Well, it's actually a Greekword and, as we were discerning
our business about 15 years agowhich is one of the pivot points
in my career and that of mywife we were looking to name our
little enterprise and, throughjust some imagination and some
search, we stumbled onto theword Logia, which means the
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maxims, utterances, sayings of aleader.
Okay, I love it and we areleadership consultants and
coaches, so it fit really wellin the URL and everything that
was required to access.
It was free and open, so it wasjust jammed up for us.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
More importantly, it was free and open All right.
Well, I think it's a good name.
People probably ask you what isLogia?
And it starts a greatconversation.
So thanks for starting there.
So we do want to hear a littlebit more about you.
That's what we do here on ourpodcast, so a little bit about
your professional story, butreally I want to hear about
those pivotal turning pointsthat got you from, got you from
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where you are or where you wereto where you are on your journey
lots of pivots in in my journeystory if we go pre-work uh,
moving across the country withmy father who was in the RCMP,
so I've seen lots of differentlocations.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Landed in the prairies, which has been home
pretty well since then.
The first major pivot wasuniversity leaving small town
North Battleford to move to bigcity of Saskatoon and trying to
decide what to be.
My first pivot was realizingthat my dream of law school was
probably not going to workbecause I didn't like it.
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I ended up taking a businesslaw class and I hated it.
Irony being I would later on ina future career do a lot of
work reading legal contracts andstuck in that for many, many
hours.
But anyways, I chose businessand it was great.
I love studying it.
I took a generalist approach toit with a couple of different
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majors and then my second pivotarrived, which was the recession
in and around 1982.
And you'll hear the themerecession a couple of times in
my narrative here.
But that recession kind ofdried up all the job
opportunities.
There were only a few offersand thankfully I got one that I
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loved.
It required a move and I workedin the petroleum industry for
five years and it was wonderful.
I had some more responsibilitythan I deserved or earned.
I learned a lot in those firstfew years that I deserved or
earned learned a lot in thosefirst few years.
Then I pivoted from financialor from from that into financial
services, which was a big dealfor me.
I had lots of opportunity inthe petroleum world, but I
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decided that I wanted to dosomething that was maybe a
little less tangible but moreimportant for people, thinking
about mortgages and loans andall of the things that support
people.
I was more attracted to thatproduct line than the petroleum
product line.
So I made a jump and it waswonderful.
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I enjoyed it.
I worked and saw a lot ofsuccess, moved from marketing
into finance, and then my nextpivot was working as a corporate
banking CEO within a divisionwithin the company that I had
been serving within, to movefrom a mid-management position
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to a CEO.
I was a startup at that andsituated across Western Canada.
That was a big step for me andin my career.
It led me to some great results, some great confidence and the
desire and ability to bid intoanother pivot, which was a
national company, a wealthmanagement company that I served
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on the leadership team for fiveyears.
Then the next really big pivotand this is where Logia comes
into the scene During therecession of 2008, 2009,.
I had sort of looked over andstewarded three downsizing in my
national team and it was myturn to have a look in the
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mirror to see if I was providingvalue there and whether or not
I stay, and it ended up in aseverance.
So I was given the opportunityto like after high school or
after university, what do I wantto do next?
And that led to a pretty strongdiscernment process where I
looked at redoing my values andmy mission, what I really wanted
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to do, and ultimately I decidedto take the narrow path, the
narrow road, and do consultingand coaching, which is the most
difficult and it's proven to be.
However, we're 15 years intoLogia.
I've worked personally with over450 leaders and their teams in
Saskatchewan, but also in otherparts of Canada, and had just a
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wonderful, wonderful time.
The most recent pivot, which ismore of an intellectual one, is
learning about neuroscience andpositive psychology the last
four or five years andintegrating that into our
toolkit for coaching andtraining.
It's been very helpfulpersonally going through things
like COVID, some mental or somephysical challenges and then
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even some next pivot challenges.
About two weeks ago we becameempty nesters.
Is that a good thing?
Figuring all of that out?
A big pivot where we have a lotmore time for ourselves, and
what do we do next?
So that's kind of the career ina nutshell A lot of different
opportunities, lots of pivoting,lots of risk taken and the need
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for some enduring faith, aswe've gone through a lot of
those journeys.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Yeah, I have loved listening to this and I wonder
if, in the time that you'redoing these pivots and you've
used the word opportunities, soyou know you pivoted, it was an
opportunity.
Pivot did you when you were init, did you see it as an
opportunity?
Was there ever any fear?
Because I think people, wedon't want to make change, we
fear change.
So I just wonder, when you werein those pivots, were you
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excited?
Speaker 1 (08:26):
I mean, once one was a severance package.
But Wonderful, insightfulquestion.
I would have to say personallyI was probably driven for the
early part of my career more byfear than by opportunity.
So fear was probably aprevalent thing and
unfortunately, many of theleaders I work with work with
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fear.
And how to define it, how toidentify it, probably came more
apparent to me as I started tostudy neuroscience and some of
the tools and systems that weuse there.
As people are, we're actuallyable to measure our amount of
negative thinking.
Yeah, and there can be a lot.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
So would you say it was the fear of failure?
Or you've like what was thefear?
Yeah, like what is dry, you sayit's dry, probably failure.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
I remember the day where I sold a board on the
capital requirements to build anew company and bring in
technology and hire people fromall the banks.
And, yeah, knowing that therewas a need for a return and
accountability along with it,like every other business owner,
just finishing seasonalinventory and sending a you know
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, making commitments there wasthere was certainly a lot of
fear around that.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
It worked.
Yeah, clearly you're doing well.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
However, the level of happiness can be found more if
we're using other parts of ourbrain and perhaps looking into
our faith as well.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Yeah, one of the comments you made was about
going to law school and yourealized, oh, you didn't like
law, I wanted to be a scientist.
And then I went.
I don't even like science, sodidn't go there.
So I laughed when you said that.
All right, a lot of greatcomments.
I have so many good.
I've written notes here and Ithink of the recession it
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definitely teaches a lot aboutbusiness.
It teaches you made a comment.
I think it teaches us a lotabout ourselves.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Absolutely.
I think that sometimes, duringrecession, we get lulled into
the sense of success and it's afalse success.
People around me with a lot ofexperience, as I've navigated as
a business owner, a leader, asan employer during recessions
what do we do with this?
And I always heard don't wastea good recession and if there
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are things that you need to do,take advantage of the
opportunity.
Don't lie back and think aboutthe prosperity that we've had
and squander it.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Okay, good, great advice, to which I can't even
imagine my next question when Iask you your best principle of
success, if you have one, and astory that illustrates that.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
I have several, and usually they're from the school
of hard knocks but or elsegreater learning later on.
The one that I would point tomostly is trying to know what
success is from a personalperspective and really defining
it and aspire for it.
And success, it and success.
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We can look to power, we canlook to prestige.
We could look to position orour job rules.
We can look to pleasure, whenwe think about vacations and and
cruises and all sorts of things, and we can think about
prosperity and the size of ourbank account or our investment
portfolio.
Now, all of those are are okayand they're good, but in
themselves they're not veryfulfilling.
For one to get to a sense ofsuccess and what is it?
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We're all teleological people.
When we have a sense of whatsuccess is or a goal, we'll go
to it.
We'll somehow we'll go in thatdirection.
It's so ensuring that it's notonly one of those or a blend of
those Most successful peoplethat I've run into and I've
worked with a lot of otherleadership coaches that have had
really great experiences andlong, long histories.
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They find that the people thatare successful typically aren't
idle, they're busy.
They don't worry about spending.
You know, spending amount oftime or effort they give of
themselves.
But they are also involved infamily.
They're involved in their faith, they're involved in their
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finances.
They have fun, they havefriends, they look at their
physical self, spiritual self.
They do all of those things.
Those typically are the mostsuccessful people and those that
go beyond a sense of self andwanting to give and share and
support other people.
That's where you're going toget success.
To get on that route, we doneed to know what our values are
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.
I've coached 450 people andthen more when I've worked
within their individual teams,and I would say a couple of
dozen of them came loaded withwhat they would say their life
values are Very few and valuesare so important in the
decisions that we make in ourlives.
So, in addition to knowing whatsuccess is so that we can
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aspire to it, and then gettingour values in place, yeah, I
think you said this.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
But when you coach, did you say, like how many
people come loaded with thedefinition of success is to
personal, is to personal.
What did you say?
It's a personal thing.
Success versus success on theladder.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Would you say you see all types.
I do and I would say mostpeople that I end up interacting
with have a lot of formation todo around mission, vision and
values.
We live in a world where ourinstitutions haven't been as
focused on that, I believe, andwe're technically and
academically astute.
However, there are parts of ourown personal development, our
own personal leadership, thatcan use some enhancement, some
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growth.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Yeah, say that, um, uh, I have changed over, and
maybe this is a common thing.
But over the past many years,when I was young, it was success
meant up the ladder right, andthen, as I got older, I went
wait a minute.
Success is my, my personalvalues, my goals.
You know, being happy is ismore success, but it's an age
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for me.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
For me a personal story.
I guess I was driven by by theprestige or the position as a,
as a young, a young person.
I was a CEO by 35.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Leading a company with a market value that was
like $40 million when wetransitioned it to another
organization which I was alsoinvolved in leadership.
But it was important to me then, not important to me now, but
there was an identity loss goingfrom senior corporate executive
to working in a small tomedium-sized enterprise.
Your identity is differentsmall to medium-sized enterprise
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.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Your identity is different.
Yes, I have felt that theidentity is different and
fabulous as well, so I'm sureyou have something here as well.
We're going to talk about fearsand failures because I think we
both know and you from coachingeven more we learn more from
our failures and mistakes thanour own successes, so wondering
if you have a story that youcould share and what you learned
from it.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Only one, lisa only one, only one, dave.
I can say I learned humilityvery quickly.
But one of the things thatperhaps is more widely relevant
for others is looking at thecomposition of teams and having
the difficult decision to removesomeone from a team, to take
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someone and give them anotherplace to be where they'll be
successful if they're not beingsuccessful on your team.
De-hiring, firing, if you willthat word we hear.
From my perspective, I haven'thad a lot of it.
I've been fortunate to workwith wonderful, wonderful people
.
However, on a few cases I havehad to and some of them have
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been my hires as opposed topeople that have been
grandfathered into the teams Iwas leading and that hurt.
And I would say that I let it gotoo long and allowed other
weird things to be going on inthe organization and other
people hurt by it.
For people who are by, peoplewho were performing and seeing
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others that weren't still beingallowed, you know, welcomed into
their, into their area, justdisappointed people by not
making changes and I know thatis often a fear of leaders
removing somebody from theirteam.
It requires a lot of thought, alot of prayer, research and
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then support to the individualas they go, but also to the
leaders that have to make thosetough decisions.
It's not easy to let someone go.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Yeah, so I don't know where I was and we reframed
that.
We're going to give you adifferent.
We think there's a differentopportunity out there for you.
We want you to grow and it'snot here Just the language of we
have to.
That person isn't doinganything for you, I mean, or
it's not working, it can worksomewhere else for them.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
I'm working with clients that are going through
that decision right now, yeah,and I can quite honestly say
that everyone that I've I've letgo um has has landed and are
doing well, and they're probablyin a better place than they,
than they were before.
So, um, so it's probably theright thing to do when something
doesn't go well.
I always think there's threethings that I can find.
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I can learn something.
I don't know what it is, butsomething will be learned.
There's a likelihood that a newskill will be gained of some
sort, and, you know, it might besomething really inspiring that
comes out of this.
There might be something,rather and it can be from even
tragic losses.
Mothers Against Drug Driversstarted with a mother who lost
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it was her daughter, I believe,and that's a horrific loss.
However, from that there waschange, and change at a global
level, change in good.
So, even how terrible theseerrors or mistakes or tragedies
are, we can find at least threethings some knowledge, some
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skills and perhaps some newinspiration to do something
different.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Yeah, our group is just reading the Difference
Maker by John Maxwell and thismorning the conversation was on
our attitude and when somethingbad happens, what is your
attitude about it?
And it starts there, becauseyou know it can be bad and you
can, you know, dwell on it, ormaybe it is an opportunity,
which is really hard.
Let's just have a 24 hour pityparty just saying and then, but
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then you got to move forward, soit's a great book.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Yeah, that's something wonderful about leader
impact groups and I've been apart of them for many years and
we journey together, it's upsand downs and we pray together.
We support each other.
That's wonderful.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
All right.
Well, what a nice segue into,obviously, leader impact,
because if people don't know, wewant people in our groups, our
leaders, to grow personally,professionally and spiritually
for increasing impact.
So would you be willing toshare a story, share an example
and a story of how the spiritualmakes a practical difference in
your life as a leader?
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Oh my gosh.
Well, I had a faith relive.
My faith was reinvigorated.
It was March 10th 2001, and analpha program and it led me to
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kind of a different way ofliving, different way of being,
and I was interested in so manythings and driven, and one of
the things was trying to figureout about this space of work and
it's so tough and grueling andpeople really toil there.
Is there something about myfaith, my spirituality that can
be done there and that led me toleader impact?
It was, and I've, I've beeninvolved in groups most of the
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time since.
So I, I to to go there.
It's, it's, it's a wonderfulexperience.
You, you, you learn humilitybecause you're working with
people that have similarexperiences to you or something
new that's really interesting toyou.
People communicate and it'sreal communication.
When you are working withpeople that are also on a faith
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journey, they'll be honest soquickly.
The path to trust is almostimmediate and that's really
helpful.
We also there's a great senseof empathy.
As we understand the principlesfor our faith and who we are
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faithful to and who has createdus.
We can understand the empathy,particular in different seasons
of the year, and this we happento be talking around Easter time
and it's right around thepassion of Jesus Christ.
So you know we understand whatwe're doing this for and why.
So it's very helpful for uspeople.
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It's probably not for thesuccess that I spoke of earlier,
the power and the prestige.
These are people wanting toperhaps, you know, maintain what
they have, but also use it forgood, make good things happen as
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part of their mission in life.
And so those are theexperiences that I've had, some
wonderful friendships that youknow I've well, so many of them,
and it's been a wonderfuljourney.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Yeah, I would everything you say.
We talked this morning aboutjust how this is one of the best
groups that we have surroundedourselves with.
When you think of people thatyou surround yourself with and
the groups that maybe youshouldn't hang out with, and
this was one group that thevulnerability of our stories
that are shared is.
Well, I'm on the A team.
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I just feel like I'm just partof an amazing team, so I
appreciate you sharing your ownstory of your own groups and
what you take from there.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
So I appreciate that I'm happy for you, Lisa, that
you've got that opportunity.
It's great.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
And I do two online groups, so our groups we have a
Regina-in-area and aSaskatoon-in-area, and we're
online Tuesdays and Wednesdaysmorning and people just log on
and log off.
So it's a good thing.
So we'll talk a little bit moreabout Leader Impact, because we
are dedicated to leaders havinga lasting impact.
So I'm just wondering, as youjourney, as you continue to
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journey, throughout your amazingpivoting and in your whole life
, have you wondered what youwant your faith legacy to be
when you leave this world?
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Oh my gosh, I as a person, my goals initially were
around the success and the verytangible components of it, and
it wasn't until my probably 30sthat I started thinking about
components of it.
And it wasn't until my probably30s that I started thinking
about things like, like BobBuford's book, halftime.
You know, you lead a life thatfirst part of your life you're
working on success and then thesecond part of your life if you
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do have a halftime, like in afootball game analogy you're
focused on significance to thatsuccess, on significance to that
success.
It was wonderful.
I have another book.
I love to read this bookClayton Christensen.
He's a professor at Harvard.
Harvard talks about how youmeasure your life thinking about
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that.
So I got into thinking aboutthis and doing more about it in
my 30s and I've been walkingwith a mission to plant little
seeds to help people grow toknow God.
Plant little seeds to helppeople grow to know God that's
my mission and so if I'msuccessful in that, I will see
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fruits and that's really how I'mmeasuring my success.
And as an individual.
Our company we're aboutempowering leaders and their
teams.
We want to empower leaders andtheir teams and we want to see
that.
So we're there Like a missionstatement.
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They all have a lot of meaningin each word Plant.
Well, plant means to start.
That means I'm not likely goingto be around for the harvest.
I'm planting seeds.
The little seeds might be likethe mustard seed that will start
from nothing and grow intosomething big.
And I can speak of clients thatI've worked with, that we've
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gone through the alpha programtogether in coaching mode.
I speak of clients that havehad major life conversions and
have moved on to different lives, in fact involved with clergy
or other things, all kinds ofwonderful things.
But I'm prepared just to beplanting the seeds to help
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people grow to know God.
We work in a secular world andthe idea of knowing their God
may be irrelevant to some, butit's still relevant to us and
we're still supporting people onthe spiritual journey,
advocates for the spiritualjourney, to help people grow to
the point where perhaps they areable to embrace faith from a
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sincere perspective.
Faith from a sincereperspective.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Yeah, it was our last podcast, or I think it was our
last one with Adam, and hetalked about that one person
that changed his way and he thenfound faith.
But we talked about there's.
You know, you just talked aboutplanting little seeds.
We may be just a seed insomeone's life.
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I call it a drip, Just a drip alittle.
You know, we're not always thebig one that they make the big
decision, but leading a goodlife and having them look at you
and say you know, what do youhave?
Why are you so successful?
What is it?
What is your answer to success,Is just lovely and I just
appreciate you sharing yourstories.
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I do want to ask you about thealpha program because I have
been looking into it.
But for anyone listening, isthis just something you did?
You just Google alpha or didyou see it in a church?
Or how did you get involved inthe alpha?
Speaker 1 (27:07):
program.
There's a much more intimateconnection my wife, who's also a
coach.
She works predominantly withwomen that are looking at
re-entering the workforce ortaking on new responsibilities
in the workforce.
I actually work with a lot ofwomen too.
Over half of my portfolio arewomen in the corporates that I
work with.
But she and a friend broughtthe Alpha program into our
(27:31):
church in Regina years ago and Iwas told that I needed to come.
I got a summons and I had justtaken over as CEO for this
organization and we had a youngdaughter.
We have two adopted daughtersfrom China.
We just had an adoption.
I said you know, I'm reallybusy, I'm traveling, I've got
(27:53):
all these things going on andI'll try to.
I'll make it out to the firstmeeting.
There was an epiphany in thatfirst meeting and I did not miss
any of them.
After that and for about fiveyears I was working with my wife
as a leader or co-leader in theAlpha program there and then
have been involved in it more insmall groups since then.
(28:15):
It's a terrific program.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Yeah, all right, thanks.
Thanks for saying that.
I will continue to look into it.
I don't have anyone in thehouse that's gonna say show up,
so maybe I'll be that person.
Our last question for you iswhat brings you the greatest joy
?
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Oh my gosh.
Well, it's nothing material andI have to admit, lisa, thinking
about joy gets me ratherintrospective.
I like to understand what wordsmean and we hear an awful lot
about happiness now, peoplelooking for happiness everywhere
.
You need to be happy.
I have all kinds of books onhow to be happy from a
(28:56):
psychological perspective, froman everyday sense perspective,
but not as much from thephilosophical or theological
perspective.
And when we start to look at itfrom a faith perspective, it's
something that transcends moremere happiness, where we're
having more positive thoughtsand negative thoughts.
It's something that's it's tiedto our purpose, it's tied to
(29:19):
who we are, it's tied to innerpeace.
Um, it's, it's a tough and youknow, and joy is actually one of
the fruits of the holy spirit.
So it's, it's there, it'sendearing, it's a, an abiding
sense of well-being.
So we're rooted in ourrelationship with our God.
So that's what it is.
So joy.
Where do I find joy?
(29:39):
Things that endure.
It's not in stuff, it's inpeople, usually my wife, my
children, my grandchildren, therelationships, people that are
close to me.
I find a lot of joy in thoseendearing long-term
relationships.
I get a lot of joy inwitnessing people grow, take
(30:04):
steps and move forward, and ifit's towards a faith journey,
even more joy in that.
And I have to find that I findas much or maybe more joy in the
intimacy and quietness andpeace and stillness Prayer,
retreats, silent retreats,adoration, just adoring our
creator.
That's where I get more joythan anything else.
(30:24):
And to round it all off, a gameof golf every once in a while,
right.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
That's lovely you just reminded me of.
There is an Alzheimer's Societyof Saskatchewan put out a video
by Dr Holly Bardutz and shetalked about brain health and
what we need to do and to stayhealthy in our brains.
And the one thing you said isjust the people who we are
surrounding ourselves with.
We must be in community withpeople, and even Harvard did the
(30:54):
longest lasting I think theycalled it a happiness study, but
it was it's people.
But also, she noted, is justyes, we love to be with people
and we need our alone time too.
So acknowledge that you know weneed that too.
Pure joy.
Is there anything?
I feel like we could go on withthe stories.
(31:15):
Dave, I want to thank you forjoining us.
Is there anything else?
Is it just you know?
Have I said anything?
Or you just want to shareanother story, because I feel
like you would be the guy thathas them all?
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Well, I just I want to say how grateful I am to
having had Leader Impact on myjourney as 15, 20 years ago.
It was a lot of newness and itwas wonderful to meet friends
then that I retain today, thathave been there for me, praying
(31:52):
for me, and I'm praying for themor supporting each other.
It's been just a wonderfuljourney.
So I'm grateful to theHildebrands and the others that
were pioneers in this particulargroup to all the great work
that they've done in plantingseeds for the future, getting
ready for the harvest.
I'm grateful to be a part ofthat and I'm very happy to be
(32:13):
here with you today, lisa.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Oh see, I knew there was something more.
That was a great pitch forLeader Impact, because it is a
great place to be and I know ourteam loves it.
Sounds you do too.
Now this ends our podcast, butif anyone wants to engage with
you, reach out to you.
Where's the best place to find?
Speaker 1 (32:30):
perhaps on our website um logiacom logiaca
logiaca that's l-o-g-i-aconsultingca all right, uh again
.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Thank you, dave, for just spending this last half
hour with us it's been a joy,all right all right.
Well, if you're part of leaderimpact, you can always discuss
or share this podcast with yourgroup.
And if you're not yet part ofleader impact and would like to
find out more and grow yourleadership, find our podcast
page on our website atleaderimpactca, and you can even
check out our free leadershipassessment.
You can also check out groupsavailable in canada at
(33:06):
leaderimpactca or, if you'relistening from anywhere else in
the world, check outleaderimpactcom or get in touch
with us by email.
Info at leaderimpactca and wewill connect you.
And if you like this podcast,please leave us a comment, give
us a rating or review.
This will help other globalleaders find our podcast.
Thank you for engaging with usand remember impact starts with
(33:26):
you.
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