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William Gladhart (00:00):
Welcome to the
Leadership Levers Podcast.
I'm your host, Will Gladhart,CMO at the Culture Think Tank.
At the Culture Think Tank, weempower leaders with metrics
that strengthen culture, driveperformance and return.
We're here today to learn aboutthe actions leaders have taken
to address organizational change.
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Today, our guest is EricBoromisa, managing Partner at
Numbers and Letters Advisory.
Thanks so much for taking thetime to join us.
Thanks Will, appreciate beinghere, absolutely.
Let's begin by having you sharewith our audience a bit about
yourself, your background andyour organization.
Eric Boromisa (00:40):
Sure.
So I run a product strategyadvisory firm, so I help
companies develop an idea intoreality, typically in tech,
healthcare, wellness, corporategovernance in that area.
And I live in Berlin, but Ispent 20 years in San Francisco,
so I kind of have thattransatlantic partnership
between the two going on.
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So for me it's been a nice road.
I've been running my firm for11 years and had about 47
clients, and so it's been a niceroad.
William Gladhart (01:11):
Very cool.
Well, thanks for sharing that.
So we'll be discussing threequestions today as a warm-up to
start our conversation.
Would you share why you believea healthy culture is critical?
Eric Boromisa (01:20):
I get called in
for projects all the time and
it's you know, hey, you know, isour product not good?
Like, are you missing themarket or missing a trend?
And I often play the role ofcorporate psychologist or like
therapist for a business peoplein the trenches and you start to
understand the gridlock, youstart to understand the friction
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that comes with any workplaceculture and so I find that I'm
called in for maybe solving amarket issue.
But I often take some of thatfeedback or tea leaves,
anonymize it and say go to theboard and say so what I've been
hearing is and that sort ofbreaks the ice and helps people.
No one's to blame in situationswhere cultures maybe tend to be
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more fractious or has theirattention, but I do think that's
a necessary thing for abusiness to be happy and humming
.
William Gladhart (02:20):
Absolutely.
I think that's a great point.
So let's begin with questionone.
It's been our experience thatleaders tend to struggle in
three key areas people, processor profits.
In your role as a strategicconsultant, could you identify
which of these areas, orcombination of areas, presented
a challenge with one of yourclients or several clients?
Eric Boromisa (02:39):
Oh yeah, actually
I think one about eight years
ago.
You know, I was called in as anindustry association.
Their profits are great, theywere growing, their performance
looked great on paper, theirmembership was very engaged, but
you but they weren't gettingreleased and so, kind of working
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through that, I was able toraise it to leadership that
there was a misunderstandingabout what the expectations were
to receive a marketing brief,launch a campaign, and so it
wasn't even called in for amarketing project.
It was actually a product thing, but it ended up being a
cultural diagnosis.
So, to answer your question, Iwas more of the people in that
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case.
William Gladhart (03:28):
Yeah,
interesting.
I mean it does sound like itwas a people, but it also
impacted all the process and thebusiness as well, which was
trailing down into potentiallyimpacting the finance.
So it's always one of the threethat impacts the other or it's
all together.
And, as you looked at thatchallenge, how did it negatively
impact the organization overall?
Eric Boromisa (03:46):
People were a
little scared to bring things to
the head of marketing.
Frankly, like there was alittle fear there.
I think that once the CEO wasaware of the problem and was
able to coach the person anddevelop a better way of handling
those situations, I think itsmoothed out quite a bit and
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since then they've gone on todevelop amazing content and
they've grown exponentiallysince they've left.
So I think they were able toactually address those concerns
in a very graceful way.
William Gladhart (04:19):
I appreciate
that feedback because it's often
the CEO suspects or identifiesan issue but doesn't know how to
really move the issue forward.
So having an expert likeyourself to kind of help connect
the dots is really valuable.
So what was the one thing thatyou identified that helped
impact the culture positively,or that you have found impacts
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that across organizations?
Eric Boromisa (04:43):
positively or
that you have found impacts that
across organizations.
One thing that I thought wasreally impressive while I was
there is actually they had avery cross-functional, almost
like a Skunk Works multi-daymeeting to kind of reboot the
organization, like a 2.0 meetingof the mind, so like 50 people
came together for like two days,three days and, yeah, it was
really interesting to see fromIT, from customer support, from
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content, from product, fromlegal, all just kind of
brainstorming ideas together andI thought that was a really
healthy way for an organizationto sort of look at itself, know
what's working, know what's notand come to some greater ground,
and I was really glad to be apart of that.
William Gladhart (05:25):
Yeah, I think
that's a good strategy for
helping people move forward andrecognizing, identifying the
problem and then moving theissue on.
So, as we wrap up today, do youhave any insight for fellow
leaders that you have workedwith, or just a general insight
to share?
Eric Boromisa (05:41):
Yeah, you know, I
think a lot of people like to
jump into business.
They're very action-oriented orproductive.
I really think it's importantto start with checking in with
the person first.
I almost always start mymeetings and I have to supervise
many people.
How are you doing today?
Understand if that person has afamily or has an aging parent
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or a pet.
What's going on in their life?
That's not work.
Don't be nosy, but justunderstand that you're treating
a human in front of you.
I think that's really importantto build that trust and be a
good leader.
William Gladhart (06:16):
I'd love to
hear that feedback and approach.
I think addressing the wholeperson, but that also impacts
into the culture, is reallycritical.
Eric, I've enjoyed having youon our Leadership Lovers podcast
.
Thanks so much for yourinsights.
Thanks a lot Will, great to behere.
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