September 13, 2024 • 20 mins
Dr. Mark French discusses a personal injury incident as a way to illustrate how even experienced safety professionals can momentarily lose focus and get hurt. French describes how, during yard work, he accidentally burned and cut his leg with a chainsaw after finishing his task and thinking the danger was over. He reflects on the psychological factors that led to his lapse in judgment, such as fatigue and the desire to finish the job quickly. The incident highlights the importance of always staying vigilant, even when tasks seem complete.
French uses his story to emphasize a broader lesson: safety cannot be assumed, and leaders must continually remind their teams of its importance. He draws parallels between his experience and workplace safety, noting how easily accidents can happen when people are tired or distracted. French also explores the concept of psychological safety, wondering if his family hesitated to point out his risky behavior because he’s a safety professional.
He concludes by reflecting on the Swiss cheese model of accident causation, acknowledging that multiple layers of protection—personal protective equipment (PPE), engineering controls, and administrative measures—failed him in this case. French encourages safety leaders to build a culture where people feel comfortable calling out unsafe behavior and stresses the need for constant vigilance in both personal and professional settings.
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Mark French (00:01):
This week on the podcast, I'm using a very
personal example of how easy itis to lose your mindset and to
have an incident this coming upand more this week on the
podcast,
Unknown (00:22):
you welcome
Announcer (00:33):
to the leading and learning through safety podcast.
Your host is Dr Mark French.
Mark's passion is helpingorganizations motivate their
teams. This podcast is focusedon bringing out the best in
leadership through creatingstrong values, learning
opportunities, teamwork andsafety. Nothing is more
(00:54):
important than protecting yourpeople. Safety creates an
environment for empathy,innovation and empowerment.
Together, we'll discover meaningand purpose through shaping our
safety culture. Thanks forjoining us this episode and now
here is Dr Mark French,
Mark French (01:25):
Mark, hello and welcome to this episode of the
leading and learning throughsafety podcast. I am your host,
Dr, Mark French, and I am alwayshonored that you've chosen to
join me on this journey ofleadership, this journey of
safety. Combining those two oneof the most powerful things we
(01:45):
can do to engage our team in avery fundamental, very primal
level. And so let's get started.
I have a story to tell you, andit's still very recent in my
mind, because I am still havingto take care of myself for it.
Fortunately, it wasn't too bad.
(02:10):
It could have been worse, and itwent to show me very easily,
even someone like me in thesafety profession, teaching
safety, doing safety, I try mybest to do it in home. I try my
best to do it all the time. Thateven I can lose my focus and
(02:32):
have an injury. Isn't that wild.
And let's now think aboutothers. This is my life. I have
dedicated my gosh, 20 years,almost half my life, to doing
safety, to helping people notget hurt at work, to helping to
trying my best to avoid humanharm in the workplace. And yet,
(02:53):
I at home, myself, had anaccident, and I can pinpoint it.
I know exactly what I did, and Ifeel foolish, and I feel like
that. I need to share it,because there's a learning here.
There's a very powerful learningabout that. We can't just assume
that our team knows. We can'tjust assume that they have their
(03:17):
mind focused. I'd rather someonehear about that we care about
them and hear about safety 400times. I'm making up a number
than than us to assume that theyknow that they they can do it.
So let me just tell you thestory, and let's get started. So
about a week ago, and from thispoint of the recording, yeah,
(03:39):
about a week ago, on theweekend, finally had some good
weather where I live. Finally itwasn't crazy hot, decent
weather, and it was time tostart doing some of the fall
cleanup around what I will callmy farm, not really farm, but it
grows a lot of stuff that Idon't want. And one of it was
near the edge of my driveway.
(04:00):
There was a large bush that wasjust like growing out into the
driveway. It actually had acouple of different trees in it.
It had some prickly bushes. Ithad the bush that we originally
wanted. And so it was time forme. I was going to cut the whole
thing down and basically digeverything out except the the
one item that we actuallywanted. I start clipping around
(04:22):
with clippers, clip, clip, clip,realizing that there's some big
stuff in here. So what do I do?
It's time for a chainsaw. Ohyeah, I'm bringing it out. So
using it. Get done cuttingeverything down, getting ready
to start cleaning up everything.
This is so I have alreadycompleted the cutting. I'm done.
(04:45):
I'm done. And so it's, it'sgetting warm, and guess what? I
decide to during my pickupprogram. I'm like, I'm gonna
start taking some things offthat are hot and just be like,
in my shorts and T. Sure,picking up, cleaning up those
things. And I go over, and Ipick up the chainsaw to go put
(05:08):
it away, and as I'm picking itup, I'm just focused on about
everything else that I'm goingto have to do to finish this
cleanup before it gets dark andI let the motor of it come into
contact with just above my knee.
Well, guess what? That thing wasstill hot. It hadn't been that
long ago that I just finished uplike getting and then cut down
(05:29):
for me to pick up and clean up.
And after it touched my leg, Ijerked it up because it's hot,
and the chain hits me on theside of the leg. It opens up the
side of my leg. Blood's runningdown my leg. It's not bad. It's
deep enough. Let's put it thatway. It's enough that my son,
(05:51):
who was outside helping, waslike, Uh oh, my wife, who was up
on the porch working on herstuff, was like, heard me go,
Hey, I'm gonna basically, Iyelled her name and said, I'm
going to need some help. We goinside. I immediately go into
the tub, take off my shoe and mysock, because might as well be
standing in the tub, because I'mgoing to have to clean a lot of
blood, because it's just itlooks horrible because it's just
(06:13):
running down my leg. I irrigateit real good, clean it up, take
a look at it, and I end upzippering it shut. Now, on a
whole separate note, there aresome really cool first aid tools
out there right now. Steristrips used to be the thing like
glue and steri strips, you coulddo a lot with those. There's now
these things called zips, orzipper bandages. And you you put
(06:35):
the little stickies on each sideof your wound, and then it has a
zip tie, like a whole little bitof tiny zip types. You pull them
tight, and it pulls the skinback together and holds it, and
then you slap a non adherent padover the top, wrap it up, of
course, put some antibioticointment on, on and on the
inside. You know it's healingvery well. I'm surprised it
(06:56):
could have looking at it. I wenteither way. Could have maybe
needed a couple stitches morethan a couple, or I could have
gotten away with just thebandage. The bandage worked.
Very happy to know that thebandage worked, that it wasn't
that that terrible, that Ineeded more. It was a little
scary, because, one, it wasn'teven on. I thought the danger
(07:18):
was over, because I had finishedup my work. The chainsaw was
off. I wasn't going to becranking it again, and I end up
cutting myself. And it couldhave been worse, there's no
doubt, a little deeper, a littleharder, maybe even a worse, like
Luckily, the burn wasn't much.
It was very much like a littlesunburn. So it wasn't bad at all
(07:40):
there, but it was enough to makeme jump and to catch it. So I
mean, good news is my I knowthat my chain, after all that
work, is still very sharp. It isstill ready for more work after
what I have done in my yard.
Good news there. Bad news isthat's not something my family
(08:04):
is going to let me forget, norshould they. Because I thought
the risk was over, or I assumed,let's put it that way. I didn't
calculate that I was hot, I wastired, and I figured, shoot, I'm
done for the day. Let's just getcomfortable, and let's pick this
mess up, and let's get let'stake a break. How about that?
(08:26):
So, one, I'm tired, fatigue.
Two, I want to take a break.
Three, I'm getting hot, gettinga little bit like done, but I
want to finish the job. A lot ofpsychological principles there.
How many of those apply to theworkplace near the end of a
shift, near the end of a week,near the end of a series of of
(08:47):
times where, yeah, if I hadstill been wearing pants my work
pants, would it have burnt methat bad? No, I might have felt
a little bit warm and be like,Ah, I need to be careful.
Wouldn't have burnt me. Wouldn'thave had that little sunburn.
Would I have gotten such a deepof a cut, even if it had been a
(09:08):
shocking hot I pulled it away, Idon't think it would have been.
Would I have pulled it up andcut my numb? Probably would have
maybe cut my pants, maybe a tinyscratch, nothing like what it
looked like, even beyond that,if I had been more aware and
just notice, like, don't putthat against your leg as you're
(09:31):
walking to put it away, wow,what an ideal thought there. Or
leave it to cool longer, or itcomes with a guard that covers
the chain when it's not in use.
What if I had put that on itbefore picking it up to go put
it away? PPE, engineering,administrative, I've got three
(09:53):
reasons right there. My Swisscheese model fell apart. Us in a
moment of seconds, and there itwas. I was hurt. Let's talk more
about that psychology, how it'llplay us to the workplace, and
how, how, man, that wasembarrassing. Let's be honest,
super duper embarrassing thatthe safety dude himself out
(10:15):
there working in the yard, Mr.
Safety himself, cuts his leg sobad that he's hollering for
help. More of the leading andlearning through safety podcast.
In just a moment, you
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your inner strengths. The MBTIassessment can help with team
building, stress management,communication, conflict
(11:01):
management, and so much more,individual and group sessions
are available to help youdiscover what makes you great.
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Mark French (11:16):
Welcome back to the second half of the leading and
learning through safety podcastthis week, I'm admitting my own
faults, embarrassingly, puttingit out there, hopefully you can
help learn from this. So knowinggood and well that I should have
done all these things to preventmy injury, it makes me think of
(11:41):
just how easy it is for anyoneelse to lose focus enough to
have three seconds. I am sayingit couldn't have been more than
five seconds that it went frompicking it up, ouch, that's hot.
Oh, I'm cut. Look, I'm bleeding.
Boom, all so quick. And that'smost incidents happen that way.
Oh so quick. And so many thingsthat could have been done
(12:06):
differently, that would havefixed the issue, so many things.
And there's a number of this,when I think about an injury,
and we talk about these things,when we talk about, how will
this affect your family? Howwill this affect the people who
see you and work around you? Howwill this affect your life if
you're hurt, that it's okay tostop work, that it's okay to
(12:27):
take an extra moment, it's okayto do these things. We talk
about these types of things assafety professionals, as
leaders, we we talk about thatcaring and that compassion. And
the most embarrassing thingabout what happened to me was
not the fact that I got hurt, itwas the fact that I did it in
front of my son. I'm out theretrying to teach him how to clean
(12:49):
up, brush, how to pick up theyard. He's almost a teenager. He
knows a lot of things, like he'shelping me mow the yard. He's
doing a lot of more stuffaround, helping me around,
because he's at that age and hewants to and yet, here I am. He
knows what I do for a living.
I've shown him safety videos weYeah, Mark's little geeky
(13:12):
passion here is to share safetystuff with his kids. I take them
to conferences with me.
Occasionally. I talk to themabout the cool stuff I'm seeing
and the stuff we're doing andwhat happens at work, and how to
avoid getting hurt, and how tothink about things. And I set
the wrong example. I set the badexample for him. I talk about
(13:34):
it. I didn't act it, not at all.
And that made me ashamed,because now I have to rebuild
that. And I apologized to him. Isaid I set a bad example for
you, and I meant it. It upsetme. It really bothered me,
(13:55):
fundamentally, that I had donesomething that contra that that
contradicted everything that Ihad been teaching. My wife knows
me well enough. She knew me wellbefore the days of safety. So
understandably, she understoodhe didn't. He didn't know that
(14:19):
about me. He didn't know likethat. I I mean, as far as since
he's been born, he's heardsafety, safety, safety, people,
people, people. That's what he'sheard from me. That bothered me,
the fact that I could have doneany number of things. And what's
interesting, and here's the nextpoint that I've kind of alluded
to early on, is I'm in there,washing up my leg, cleaning it
(14:39):
up, bandaging it, trying to geteverything fixed up, having them
fetch stuff for me, so I can dothat without tracking blood
everywhere until I get itbandaged. Both my wife and my
son look at me and go. We werewondering why you were still out
there working and not wearingany pants. I was wearing pants
as we're. Shorts. But they whatthey meant was that sounds bad.
(15:05):
I was wearing my bought myshorts, not my work pants, my
outdoor work pants. They'relike, we noticed that you
weren't wearing your your workpants. And I was like, Why
didn't you say anything? They'relike, because you're the safety
guy. How are we supposed to tellsafety to the safety guy. Oh,
(15:26):
have I become unapproachablethat way? Have I become too
arrogant, too on top of myselfto admit that this can happen to
anyone? That was a real look inthe mirror, wasn't it? It was.
And I think about that from aworkplace standpoint, is that,
(15:46):
what if you as a safety person,as a leader, as someone leading
your organization? And let's I'mguessing that if you're
listening to my podcast, youprobably talk about safety quite
a bit. You were probably one ofthose people who understand, or
at least wanting to understandor wanting to appreciate better,
the power of talking aboutsimple safety items to your
(16:10):
team, to build engagement, tobuild leadership, to build
influence, or if you were makinga mistake, Would someone say
something to you. Are you the isthere a level of comfort there
that that they felt that itwould be appropriate to say
something to someone who theylook up to as being like safety,
(16:32):
the top level, the echelon, thetop echelon of safety, hmm? And
so I had that talk of, hey, Iappreciate that, but never
hesitate to call me out, please.
Well, sometimes you get wellmeans my family, yeah, of
(16:52):
course, I'm a little bit morecomfortable with the
interactions of my family, andthey know me better than anyone
else, and so I can understandthere is probably some
hesitation to try to question mymethods. I wish they had. I
wouldn't be hurt and I couldgive them, I could at least have
(17:13):
that story to tell that I wasdoing something silly. They
called me out and I deserved it.
Instead, I got hurt, and I haveto apologize for setting the bad
example. But now I think evendeeper about in the workplace,
if it was possible for me tomake the three second laps,
almost need some stitches in myleg. What about your workplace?
(17:38):
Yeah, that's why the layers ofprotection. I messed up three of
them. Boom, 123, adminengineering, PPE didn't have any
of it. How do we help equip andempower our team to be ready to
have some form of protection inplace, from the gotcha moments,
(17:58):
from the moments that somethingcould jump out and grab them and
hurt them. How do we do that?
That's that's really where we'reheading, is making sure we don't
let that affect us to wherewe're not going to say something
that we encourage it. You knowwhat? We're going to continue
some more of this conversationof the psychology behind this
(18:19):
type of item probably next weekon the podcast. So I hope you'll
join me for that. But thank youfor joining me for this episode
of the leading and learningthrough safety podcast. So happy
you've joined me, so happyyou're with me, and until next
time we chat, stay safe. You
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podcast. You.
This week on the podcast, I'm using a very
personal example of how easy itis to lose your mindset and to
have an incident this coming upand more this week on the
podcast,
Unknown (00:22):
you welcome
Announcer (00:33):
to the leading and learning through safety podcast.
Your host is Dr Mark French.
Mark's passion is helpingorganizations motivate their
teams. This podcast is focusedon bringing out the best in
leadership through creatingstrong values, learning
opportunities, teamwork andsafety. Nothing is more
(00:54):
important than protecting yourpeople. Safety creates an
environment for empathy,innovation and empowerment.
Together, we'll discover meaningand purpose through shaping our
safety culture. Thanks forjoining us this episode and now
here is Dr Mark French,
Mark French (01:25):
Mark, hello and welcome to this episode of the
leading and learning throughsafety podcast. I am your host,
Dr, Mark French, and I am alwayshonored that you've chosen to
join me on this journey ofleadership, this journey of
safety. Combining those two oneof the most powerful things we
(01:45):
can do to engage our team in avery fundamental, very primal
level. And so let's get started.
I have a story to tell you, andit's still very recent in my
mind, because I am still havingto take care of myself for it.
Fortunately, it wasn't too bad.
(02:10):
It could have been worse, and itwent to show me very easily,
even someone like me in thesafety profession, teaching
safety, doing safety, I try mybest to do it in home. I try my
best to do it all the time. Thateven I can lose my focus and
(02:32):
have an injury. Isn't that wild.
And let's now think aboutothers. This is my life. I have
dedicated my gosh, 20 years,almost half my life, to doing
safety, to helping people notget hurt at work, to helping to
trying my best to avoid humanharm in the workplace. And yet,
(02:53):
I at home, myself, had anaccident, and I can pinpoint it.
I know exactly what I did, and Ifeel foolish, and I feel like
that. I need to share it,because there's a learning here.
There's a very powerful learningabout that. We can't just assume
that our team knows. We can'tjust assume that they have their
(03:17):
mind focused. I'd rather someonehear about that we care about
them and hear about safety 400times. I'm making up a number
than than us to assume that theyknow that they they can do it.
So let me just tell you thestory, and let's get started. So
about a week ago, and from thispoint of the recording, yeah,
(03:39):
about a week ago, on theweekend, finally had some good
weather where I live. Finally itwasn't crazy hot, decent
weather, and it was time tostart doing some of the fall
cleanup around what I will callmy farm, not really farm, but it
grows a lot of stuff that Idon't want. And one of it was
near the edge of my driveway.
(04:00):
There was a large bush that wasjust like growing out into the
driveway. It actually had acouple of different trees in it.
It had some prickly bushes. Ithad the bush that we originally
wanted. And so it was time forme. I was going to cut the whole
thing down and basically digeverything out except the the
one item that we actuallywanted. I start clipping around
(04:22):
with clippers, clip, clip, clip,realizing that there's some big
stuff in here. So what do I do?
It's time for a chainsaw. Ohyeah, I'm bringing it out. So
using it. Get done cuttingeverything down, getting ready
to start cleaning up everything.
This is so I have alreadycompleted the cutting. I'm done.
(04:45):
I'm done. And so it's, it'sgetting warm, and guess what? I
decide to during my pickupprogram. I'm like, I'm gonna
start taking some things offthat are hot and just be like,
in my shorts and T. Sure,picking up, cleaning up those
things. And I go over, and Ipick up the chainsaw to go put
(05:08):
it away, and as I'm picking itup, I'm just focused on about
everything else that I'm goingto have to do to finish this
cleanup before it gets dark andI let the motor of it come into
contact with just above my knee.
Well, guess what? That thing wasstill hot. It hadn't been that
long ago that I just finished uplike getting and then cut down
(05:29):
for me to pick up and clean up.
And after it touched my leg, Ijerked it up because it's hot,
and the chain hits me on theside of the leg. It opens up the
side of my leg. Blood's runningdown my leg. It's not bad. It's
deep enough. Let's put it thatway. It's enough that my son,
(05:51):
who was outside helping, waslike, Uh oh, my wife, who was up
on the porch working on herstuff, was like, heard me go,
Hey, I'm gonna basically, Iyelled her name and said, I'm
going to need some help. We goinside. I immediately go into
the tub, take off my shoe and mysock, because might as well be
standing in the tub, because I'mgoing to have to clean a lot of
blood, because it's just itlooks horrible because it's just
(06:13):
running down my leg. I irrigateit real good, clean it up, take
a look at it, and I end upzippering it shut. Now, on a
whole separate note, there aresome really cool first aid tools
out there right now. Steristrips used to be the thing like
glue and steri strips, you coulddo a lot with those. There's now
these things called zips, orzipper bandages. And you you put
(06:35):
the little stickies on each sideof your wound, and then it has a
zip tie, like a whole little bitof tiny zip types. You pull them
tight, and it pulls the skinback together and holds it, and
then you slap a non adherent padover the top, wrap it up, of
course, put some antibioticointment on, on and on the
inside. You know it's healingvery well. I'm surprised it
(06:56):
could have looking at it. I wenteither way. Could have maybe
needed a couple stitches morethan a couple, or I could have
gotten away with just thebandage. The bandage worked.
Very happy to know that thebandage worked, that it wasn't
that that terrible, that Ineeded more. It was a little
scary, because, one, it wasn'teven on. I thought the danger
(07:18):
was over, because I had finishedup my work. The chainsaw was
off. I wasn't going to becranking it again, and I end up
cutting myself. And it couldhave been worse, there's no
doubt, a little deeper, a littleharder, maybe even a worse, like
Luckily, the burn wasn't much.
It was very much like a littlesunburn. So it wasn't bad at all
(07:40):
there, but it was enough to makeme jump and to catch it. So I
mean, good news is my I knowthat my chain, after all that
work, is still very sharp. It isstill ready for more work after
what I have done in my yard.
Good news there. Bad news isthat's not something my family
(08:04):
is going to let me forget, norshould they. Because I thought
the risk was over, or I assumed,let's put it that way. I didn't
calculate that I was hot, I wastired, and I figured, shoot, I'm
done for the day. Let's just getcomfortable, and let's pick this
mess up, and let's get let'stake a break. How about that?
(08:26):
So, one, I'm tired, fatigue.
Two, I want to take a break.
Three, I'm getting hot, gettinga little bit like done, but I
want to finish the job. A lot ofpsychological principles there.
How many of those apply to theworkplace near the end of a
shift, near the end of a week,near the end of a series of of
(08:47):
times where, yeah, if I hadstill been wearing pants my work
pants, would it have burnt methat bad? No, I might have felt
a little bit warm and be like,Ah, I need to be careful.
Wouldn't have burnt me. Wouldn'thave had that little sunburn.
Would I have gotten such a deepof a cut, even if it had been a
(09:08):
shocking hot I pulled it away, Idon't think it would have been.
Would I have pulled it up andcut my numb? Probably would have
maybe cut my pants, maybe a tinyscratch, nothing like what it
looked like, even beyond that,if I had been more aware and
just notice, like, don't putthat against your leg as you're
(09:31):
walking to put it away, wow,what an ideal thought there. Or
leave it to cool longer, or itcomes with a guard that covers
the chain when it's not in use.
What if I had put that on itbefore picking it up to go put
it away? PPE, engineering,administrative, I've got three
(09:53):
reasons right there. My Swisscheese model fell apart. Us in a
moment of seconds, and there itwas. I was hurt. Let's talk more
about that psychology, how it'llplay us to the workplace, and
how, how, man, that wasembarrassing. Let's be honest,
super duper embarrassing thatthe safety dude himself out
(10:15):
there working in the yard, Mr.
Safety himself, cuts his leg sobad that he's hollering for
help. More of the leading andlearning through safety podcast.
In just a moment, you
Stinger (10:30):
are listening to the leading and learning through
safety podcast with Dr MarkFrench,
Commercial (10:38):
dsda Consulting.
Learn you lead others. The MyersBriggs Type Indicator is an
amazing tool. Problem is that itcan be easily misinterpreted. Dr
Mark French is MBTI certifiedand ready to help you discover
your inner strengths. The MBTIassessment can help with team
building, stress management,communication, conflict
(11:01):
management, and so much more,individual and group sessions
are available to help youdiscover what makes you great.
For more information, visit uson the web at tsda
consulting.com
Mark French (11:16):
Welcome back to the second half of the leading and
learning through safety podcastthis week, I'm admitting my own
faults, embarrassingly, puttingit out there, hopefully you can
help learn from this. So knowinggood and well that I should have
done all these things to preventmy injury, it makes me think of
(11:41):
just how easy it is for anyoneelse to lose focus enough to
have three seconds. I am sayingit couldn't have been more than
five seconds that it went frompicking it up, ouch, that's hot.
Oh, I'm cut. Look, I'm bleeding.
Boom, all so quick. And that'smost incidents happen that way.
Oh so quick. And so many thingsthat could have been done
(12:06):
differently, that would havefixed the issue, so many things.
And there's a number of this,when I think about an injury,
and we talk about these things,when we talk about, how will
this affect your family? Howwill this affect the people who
see you and work around you? Howwill this affect your life if
you're hurt, that it's okay tostop work, that it's okay to
(12:27):
take an extra moment, it's okayto do these things. We talk
about these types of things assafety professionals, as
leaders, we we talk about thatcaring and that compassion. And
the most embarrassing thingabout what happened to me was
not the fact that I got hurt, itwas the fact that I did it in
front of my son. I'm out theretrying to teach him how to clean
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up, brush, how to pick up theyard. He's almost a teenager. He
knows a lot of things, like he'shelping me mow the yard. He's
doing a lot of more stuffaround, helping me around,
because he's at that age and hewants to and yet, here I am. He
knows what I do for a living.
I've shown him safety videos weYeah, Mark's little geeky
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passion here is to share safetystuff with his kids. I take them
to conferences with me.
Occasionally. I talk to themabout the cool stuff I'm seeing
and the stuff we're doing andwhat happens at work, and how to
avoid getting hurt, and how tothink about things. And I set
the wrong example. I set the badexample for him. I talk about
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it. I didn't act it, not at all.
And that made me ashamed,because now I have to rebuild
that. And I apologized to him. Isaid I set a bad example for
you, and I meant it. It upsetme. It really bothered me,
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fundamentally, that I had donesomething that contra that that
contradicted everything that Ihad been teaching. My wife knows
me well enough. She knew me wellbefore the days of safety. So
understandably, she understoodhe didn't. He didn't know that
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about me. He didn't know likethat. I I mean, as far as since
he's been born, he's heardsafety, safety, safety, people,
people, people. That's what he'sheard from me. That bothered me,
the fact that I could have doneany number of things. And what's
interesting, and here's the nextpoint that I've kind of alluded
to early on, is I'm in there,washing up my leg, cleaning it
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up, bandaging it, trying to geteverything fixed up, having them
fetch stuff for me, so I can dothat without tracking blood
everywhere until I get itbandaged. Both my wife and my
son look at me and go. We werewondering why you were still out
there working and not wearingany pants. I was wearing pants
as we're. Shorts. But they whatthey meant was that sounds bad.
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I was wearing my bought myshorts, not my work pants, my
outdoor work pants. They'relike, we noticed that you
weren't wearing your your workpants. And I was like, Why
didn't you say anything? They'relike, because you're the safety
guy. How are we supposed to tellsafety to the safety guy. Oh,
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have I become unapproachablethat way? Have I become too
arrogant, too on top of myselfto admit that this can happen to
anyone? That was a real look inthe mirror, wasn't it? It was.
And I think about that from aworkplace standpoint, is that,
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what if you as a safety person,as a leader, as someone leading
your organization? And let's I'mguessing that if you're
listening to my podcast, youprobably talk about safety quite
a bit. You were probably one ofthose people who understand, or
at least wanting to understandor wanting to appreciate better,
the power of talking aboutsimple safety items to your
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team, to build engagement, tobuild leadership, to build
influence, or if you were makinga mistake, Would someone say
something to you. Are you the isthere a level of comfort there
that that they felt that itwould be appropriate to say
something to someone who theylook up to as being like safety,
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the top level, the echelon, thetop echelon of safety, hmm? And
so I had that talk of, hey, Iappreciate that, but never
hesitate to call me out, please.
Well, sometimes you get wellmeans my family, yeah, of
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course, I'm a little bit morecomfortable with the
interactions of my family, andthey know me better than anyone
else, and so I can understandthere is probably some
hesitation to try to question mymethods. I wish they had. I
wouldn't be hurt and I couldgive them, I could at least have
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that story to tell that I wasdoing something silly. They
called me out and I deserved it.
Instead, I got hurt, and I haveto apologize for setting the bad
example. But now I think evendeeper about in the workplace,
if it was possible for me tomake the three second laps,
almost need some stitches in myleg. What about your workplace?
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Yeah, that's why the layers ofprotection. I messed up three of
them. Boom, 123, adminengineering, PPE didn't have any
of it. How do we help equip andempower our team to be ready to
have some form of protection inplace, from the gotcha moments,
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from the moments that somethingcould jump out and grab them and
hurt them. How do we do that?
That's that's really where we'reheading, is making sure we don't
let that affect us to wherewe're not going to say something
that we encourage it. You knowwhat? We're going to continue
some more of this conversationof the psychology behind this
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type of item probably next weekon the podcast. So I hope you'll
join me for that. But thank youfor joining me for this episode
of the leading and learningthrough safety podcast. So happy
you've joined me, so happyyou're with me, and until next
time we chat, stay safe. You
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